Thread 723052578

(You) can play shmups.

But you won't enjoy it

>Parodius Forever with Me
Doubt it, this game is pretty fucking long for shmup standards.

>>723052645
Long but gives you a shitton of lives
Surprisingly hard for how many extends it gives you but still definitely in the realm of "doable", it took me about 10 hours.

(You) can make a shit thread.

>>723052686
Yes you can

No Gairaes? No Afterburner? No Cotton? No Twinkle Tale? Damn, what a shit list.

>>723052578 (OP)
Why are shmuptrannies always trying to groom others into playing their autism simulators?

>>723052578 (OP)
That's like basically every shmup

>>723054985
>NOOOO HOW DARE YOU NOT LIST RANDOM KUSOGE FROM 1991 AND ACTUALLY PUT GOOD GAMES THAT BEGINNERS WOULD WANT TO PLAY

>>723052578 (OP)
Don't listen to him. I spent 60 hours in Mushihimesama original and still can't 1cc it yet. I picked it as my first shmup under the assumption it would be easy to clear the game but there's so much to commit to memory and practice. Beating NG2 on Master was easier than this.

>>723055212
No, I purposefully excluded Ketsui and DoDonPachi DaiOuJou, some of the best shmups, because they're too hard.

>>723052578 (OP)
I don't really get what's the point of sticking with easier clears.
No, I don't want everyone to beat Inbachi in SDOJ, but man the fuck up and don't filter out most of the genre just because you can't 1cc within a day or two.

>>723055434
There's still way more games than anyone's gonna play. This could have been a 3x3 chart

>>723055968
It's to give you options

>>723052578 (OP)
>recca
>battle garegga
>fun and easy for normies
Doubt.jpg

>>723056324
You should just make it "shmups on steam that aren't bad" and pick 5. People who have no idea what they're doing don't want options they want to pick a universal "baby's first ___" game. Do you rec someone who's never watched anime before like 20 different shows? No, you sit them down with ghibli and cowboy bebop

SEX WITH MAOMAO!

>she still hasnt replaced her shit picks with devil blade
and she wonders why noobs think its a shit troon genre

Where is Twinkle Star Sprites?
I got a 1cc in like 2 hours on default difficulty, the skill floor is lower than most of what's in the picture for that purpose, but it does have a high ceiling for PvP.

>>723052578 (OP)
Ten Desires and Double Dealing are better Touhou options than Scarlet Devil and Imperisable Night for normies. The former are a lot more forgiving than the rape galore the latters are for people new to shmups.
T. someone whom introduction to shmups was Touhou.

>>723056395
Battle Garegga Premium Mode. Which I just 1cc'd after like 2 hours. It's not that hard, it has fixed rank and a smaller hitbox.

>>723056395
Why does everyone struggle to read the parenthesis

>>723052578 (OP)
The only shmups anyone should play are:
- DoDonPachi Dai-Ou-Jou Re:Incarnation
- Ketsui Deathtiny -Kizuna Jigoku Tachi-
- Battle Garegga

>>723059845
Honestly you could probably put like 10k hours into the PS4 versions of these
Get some other M2 ShotTriggers games too though they're goated

>>723059845
>>723059903
Add ESP Ra.De

Do you think DaiOuJou will get an English localization?

>>723061407
Unless M2 is working on a steam port probably not. I wonder what they're up to these days. All that shit stuck on PS4 and XB360 is a travesty. I want to pay for your games but I'm not going to buy a console just to do it. Gonna stick with MAME and FBNeo, sorry.

>>723062036
ShotTriggers team is making an original game called Night Strikers Gear. It's being released on Steam. It's based on a Taito property but it's published by M2 themselves, so who knows maybe they've reversed their stance on PC ports.

>>723052578 (OP)
>touhou
>for normal people
Even I know better.

>>723062785
Touhou is the most normie shmup series, they're like the only games that are still popular and they have a larger fanbase that don't even play other shmups for some fucking reason

>>723062819
They don't play their own either.

Anyone know if I can use leaderboards with my Amerifat account

I could, but I'm not going to.

>>723059845
>>723059903
>>723060402
>- DoDonPachi Dai-Ou-Jou Re:Incarnation
>- Ketsui Deathtiny -Kizuna Jigoku Tachi-
>- Battle Garegga
>Get some other M2 ShotTriggers games too though they're goated
>Add ESP Ra.De

Any chance these games make it to Steam? :(

>>723063356
Probably not but you can emulate them. DOJ and Garegga work fine but Ketsui crashes on game over. Hopefully that gets fixed at some point. Also the only pkgs I've been able to find online for Ketsui and Garegga were the Japanese and Korean versions respectively, even though they have English versions.

>>723063421
What upcoming games should I buy on Steam to increase chance of more shmup games coming to Steam? Should I buy the game this anon talks about: >>723062514 ? Will it be good?

>>723063598
>What upcoming games should I buy on Steam to increase chance of more shmup games coming to Steam?
The M2 ports that are already on Steam because the publishers forced them to: Darius Cozmic Collection, G-Darius HD, and Gradius Origins.

>Should I buy the game this anon talks about: >>723062514 (You) ? Will it be good?
idk it's not out yet

>>723063421
The roms for these on Myrient? What kind of specs do you need for PS4 emulation of these anyway?

>>723063661
>The roms for these on Myrient
nah ps4 roms are still in the shitty chinese site zone, i use dlpsgame
i haven't tried Bloodborne or anything actually demanding but for me these M2 ports run perfectly fine with my Ryzen 7 3700X and RX6700 XT
I imagine these ports aren't nearly as intensive as native PS4 games though so try it out

>>723059845
I think it should be a Holy Tetrad
>DoDonPachi DaiOuJou
>Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi
>Battle Garegga
>Armed Police Batrider
The two best CAVE shmups, the two best Raizing shmups, the two best companies to ever do it. You could play these forever. Arguably Batrider has SLIGHTLY less staying power than the others but only a little bit.

>>723063902
The Holy Tetrad of " play other shmups already"

>>723056706
Sex with all psikyo and video system girls.
Yes even younger Marion, and Junis while we are at it

>>723052578 (OP)
I don't think I could ever 1cc a game. Which of these is the definitive beginner shmup?

>>723065215
Batsugun Special Version. You can 1cc it, but understand it won't be in one try. These games are designed to have longevity. But Batsugun Special is easy enough that as my first clear it only took like 3 hours.

>>723065215
>I don't think I could ever 1cc a game
Not with that attitude.
Don't look for even easier games, get into the mood of practicing stages/bosses and becoming consistent instead.

>>723065215
Do what this >>723065295 anon says. Play some games and find one you have the most fun playing. That's the most important thing because actually liking the game is going to help a lot to keep the motivation up to practice it. And when you can actually do it it feels godlike, like you really conquered this challenge you thought was impossible. It's like looking at an old photo before working out and then looking in the mirror.

>>723052578 (OP)
I only see 2 here worth playing.

>>723066941
which ones anone

>>723064896
Based

for me the game that made the genre click was Natsuki Chronicles

>>723067056
Garegga and Zanac.

>>723064896
Don't forget

>>723052578 (OP)
>No Angels at Dusk
It also has huge and kino ingame lore
>>723062880
I did. Most shmups I ever played were Toehoes
>>723065215
Tyrian 2000

This is gonna sound like such a noob shitter thing to say but does this genre really need to be so closely tied together with one hit kills? I know ill feel it less if i just practice more but would having a health bar on my ship and making some attacks do different damage really ruin the genre? Its also always been weird to me how i need to treat tiny little bullets with the same respect as a giant lazer or missle but i guess thats part of the charm for those who love shumps

This is a random question but im trying to remember a shmup I played as a kid. It would have been on either the nes or the snes or the sega megadrive. All I remember is that at the end of the 1st level there was like a cut scene where like your boss or something slams his fist on a desk.

>>723070817
>but does this genre really need to be so closely tied together with one hit kills?
Kind of. It's good feedback that you're getting hit, but while some shmups like Akashicverse implement health bars well, it still shows why that system doesn't always work in the genre

>>723070817
A few games have something close. DoDonPachi DaiFukkatsu has an autobomb system, so whenever you get hit you survive and automatically use a bomb. Basically, your bombs are your health bar, but you can also manually use them to gain extra damage in exchange for safety.
Also, in Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius and the SNES version of Gokujou Parodius there's a character named Dracula-kun (in the former he's a secret character you have to input a code to unlock.) Dracula-kun's shield power-up transforms him into a bat that can take 3 hits before dying, no questions asked, with i-frames.
The Darius series also has a powerful shield that takes multiple hits.

>>723052578 (OP)
no one makes shmups that don't look like shit anymore

I still can't believe Konami had the audacity to try to sell cygni for $60 as if there shitty, simple shmup game with 5 levels was some grand undertaking. fuck konami

This is an absolutely atrocious thread, one of the worst I have EVER seen.

>>723072605
I think it's alright

>>723072648
Everything in this thread is wrong and everyone in it should never talk about a shmup ever again. And OP deserves to be permanently range banned.

>>723072605
I think it's the best thread I have ever been a part of, actually

>>723070817
there are a bunch of SNES games where you have 3 hits before death, they are based on the arcades where levels are 20 minutes long, so hose 3 hits won't last long

>>723071703
Earthion released just a few months ago

>>723070817
>need to be so closely tied together with one hit kills?
Technically? No.

>>723052578 (OP)
Why isn't Earthion on the list?

>>723073320
Buy an ad

>>723055420
Jesus Christ man. It took me 17 hours and I only played a few of the easier Touhous beforehand, which don't really play like Mushihimesama so I don't think I'm benefitting from existing knowledge/instinct so much. Maybe try Imperishable Night or something, that's the easiest bullet hell I've played.
i don't think I'll ever be able to do Mushihimesama maniac mode though...

I have never 1cc'd a shmup

>>723073376
Still doesn't answer my question faggot

>>723052578 (OP)
It's true, I actually CAN play shmups. The problem is I can't 1cc shmups.

https://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php?STG%A5%E9%A5%F3%A5%AF%B0%EC%CD%F7
Better places have already ranked STGs by difficulty. OP has made this spam thread multiple times. Picking a shmup for a beginner isn't about "what can I clear in 1 day", it's about "what will temper my expectations for the future so I can identify what, if anything, I'm doing wrong and not freak if I don't clear a game in a week". The fun part about a shmup is learning, and as a beginner this is when they are the most fun because it's when you can learn the most.
>>723055420
NG is a casual baby series on par with elder scrolls.

>>723073892
bomb :)

If they figured out a way to play them on my phone, I definitely would.
For now I'm stuck with JRPGs.

>>723052578 (OP)
Shmups are fun for like a month, then you go back to playing games that don't require you to memorize 5+ stages in their entirety.

>>723074124
you could play shmups that aren't memoslop

>>723074235
Nice try, but all shmups are memoslop.

>>723074235
That's like playing against the cpu in a fighting game or watching another man fuck your wife

>>723052578 (OP)
where's Jamestown you ultra nigger

>>723074447
In the rubbish bin where it belongs.

>>723074007
There's a phone version of DOJ

>>723074524
>rubbish bin
Br*tish

>>723074007
there was official mushihimesama game on phone

>>723052578 (OP)
I have another list if you don't mind, OP

>>723071423
>>723071523
Ill try those out, thanks.

>>723074235
It's all memoslop bro. That's the entire genre. If I want to shoot shit I'll play Risk of Rain

>>723076343
>If I want to shoot shit I'll play RNGslop with no gameplay
What kind of a flex is this..?

>>723076918
Responding to dumb cyclical bait like this over and over is why these threads can never exist. Hell for all I know you're replying to yourself.

>>723076996
Sorry to hear your janny application was rejected.
Better luck next time!

>>723076918
Sorry not playing your galaga clones, Chang

>>723076343
If you want to shoot shit then you should turn 360 degrees and shoot you're self

>>723077125
>I've never played a shmup in my life but here's a chart of shmups you MUST play
>now here's my shitty general ill bump for 40 hours while talking to myself and demanding this is the sole thread for discussion of an entire genre forever
Really getting to the point of gore spamming

I‘m playing star of providence which is supposedly one of the easier shmups and i suck at it. Am i meant to look at my ship or at enemy bullets to avoid them?

>>723077581
Kek did you actually have your Janny app denied?

>>723077581
Bump

>>723077640
Sounds like a question for google

>>723052578 (OP)
It's LITERALLY THE SAME GAME copied over 25 times.
How can you play the same game, admittedly a pretty good one, but reskinned for 40 years?

There is no difference between shmup games. They haven't evolved, they refuse to. You're just getting different music(amazing music tho) and new patterns. It's the exact same game.

>>723077640
Where to look depends a lot on what's going on but the rule of thumb is:
>look ahead to dodge incoming aimed bullets or faster spreads
>look around your ship to micrododge dense patterns

>>723077808
Yep there's that shitty bait that OP will respond to for 40 hours because he made a thread without having anything to actually discuss

>>723077831
Incorrect, try again

>>723077968
Nobody asked you retard

>>723077902
It's not bait, it's the truth. These threads are all about saying play this and play that, or discussing which is harder. I have never seen someone aptly describe how these games are fundamentally different from one another. They have the same mechanics and the same gimmicks.

There is nothing to discuss, because if you've played one of them, you've played them all.

>>723078034
You have never 1cc'd any shmup

>>723078089
Incorrect, try again

>>723077831
Idk i feel like looking at the ship actually makes me get hit because the hitbox is way smaller than the ship so i get confused and try to dodge projectiles that weren‘t even gonna hit me

>>723077808
You're a dumb nigger and you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>723078056
>I have never seen someone aptly describe how these games are fundamentally different from one another.
That's because these are shitty generals made by people who don't play the games. Why would you ever get a serious answer in a shitty thread like this? If it was an actual thread actually discussing a game they were playing then you wouldn't have to ask because the answer would already be obvious from the discussion taking place. And no, your question does not deserve an answer.

>>723078147
Not at your ship, but around and only if you are dealing with slow and dense clusters of bullets. It's to help you spot gaps in your immediate surroundings.
For most of the game you will probably want to look ahead instead, so you can move out of bullet trajectory in advance.

>retard tries to sage the thread
>keeps getting baited into bumping it
Kek

>>723078446
Saging a thread does fuck all if there are people posting in it currently. Not to mention announcing that makes him the one breaking the rules.

>>723078543
He's so fucking dumb he will probably spam Gore, get quickly banned and have his posts deleted, and not be able to bypass the ban

>>723078543
I'm purposely breaking the rules. As it is obvious the janitors will not do their job its better to annoy them by getting reported repeatedly and interrupting their ERP discord goon sessions.

>>723078701
>not be able to bypass the ban
How new

>>723078753
Why does this thread assblast you so hard? If you want to be in control, start your own chan clone or something. This is just sad at this point, you are literally a wannabe janitor

>>723078753
>annoy mods
>get banned
What's the next step of your masterplan?

>>723078848
Continuing to annoy mods until they quit again. This general is absolute garbage and is only hurting shmups.

>>723078932
>new jannies get recruited (except you of course)
>you keep getting banned

>>723052578 (OP)
Keep this shit in your shitty /vr/ general.

Test
>>>/wsg/5996549

Bumping to annoy that one fav

>>723077701
Can we sign some sort of international treaty to make this style of response punishable by death
>>723078147
It really depends on the game, like if I'm playing something with fast bullets and relatively large-scale unlayered patterns I'm probably not going to be looking at the ship. Just do whatever is intuitive for you in the situation, don't overthink it

>>723081031
Same desu

The only shmups I've beaten are Zeroranger and Blue Revolver. Loved both. I think I would be ready for the more classic japanese shmups now, but I'm not sure which one to pick. I have Crimzon Clover and one of the Dodonpachis on my wishlist on steam

>>723082034
I highly recommend the Steam port of Mushihimesama

>>723052578 (OP)
almost every game in that picture can't be played normally on a PC or a current gen console

>>723082606
Yes and

>>723082606
5 are PC games and at least 7 have PC ports or console ports. Plus emulating the others has never been easier.

>>723052578 (OP)
I would put Vimana too, it's probably the easiest Toaplan shmup

>>723082282
Looks good. I'll put it on the wishlist and try to blindly guess between that and the others the next time they are on sale

>>723083304
Based

I just wish there were more Anons sharing replays or clips here

>>723085332
Make an actual thread instead of crappy generals then.

>>723085332
I actually focus on playing games, not recording to show everyone that I did something.

>>723085706
wah wah wah i'm gonna keep making these threads just to make you so mad you kill yourself

>>723085876
Enjoy your 40 hour old threads and repetitive bait then

>>723085876
Can you at least provide some proof that you play these games?

Strap in, boys! We're going to the bump limit, baby!

>>723088354
I'm in but only if somebody starts streaming 1cc attempts or whatever ITT.

I have decided to start playing ikaruga once a day, yesterday was day 1. Does anyone know what im supposed to do when the game puts you down a narrow hallway and spawns ships moving vertically in both directions? It seems kinda chekmatey but i know treasure is better than that.

>>723082034
>Zeroranger
you did beat the true final boss, right?

oh man i love shmups

>>723090646
Gradius be like that.
Unironically try to no miss the whole game or use easy checkpoints to die and lower rank.

>>723090646
https://streamable.com/7xblf2

>>723091501
lmao at the speedup for the midboss

>>723086010
Yeah that's not going to happen. He doesn't play a single game. 4chan is all faggots like this now.

>>723091501
I kneel

>>723091501
That's not the flex you think it is anon...

>>723092881
How the fuck can you die in that section with four fucking options anyways?

>>723093862
There's a schizo thats been spamming gradius threads constantly, after people started posting archives of him making the same thread with the same image over 50 times he switched to this grift. I don't think he even plays the games.

Best I can offer this thread is an old and not particularly great run of an indie PC shmup's caravan mode. Grinding it out was probably the most fun I've had playing a shmup. Take it or leave it.
https://streamable.com/6jooua

>>723094089
Quite sad innit

>>723094227
Caravan score attack threads would be so cool. Since they're pretty short, they tend to be pretty competitive

>>723094227
>Grinding it out was probably the most fun I've had playing a shmup
That doesn't look very interesting

>>723094478
Yeah, that'd be neat, huh. Probably not gonna happen though.
>>723094485
You just had to be there, okay?

>>723094587
>You just had to be there, okay?
There's literally nothing interesting about it. It's just 4 minutes of rote hard memorization on a route thats not particularly interesting or complicated.

>>723094704
Well, there's also discovering and experimentation since you need to figure out the route first. Having to keep the chain up does make in interesting, as does juggling different subweapons for different sections. There's also a fun little trick in speed change dealing a tiny bit of damage around the back of the ship where the thrusters are which makes both routing and execution a little more interesting.
I'm sorry that you don't find caravans interesting, but there's fun to be had there too.

>>723094972
Anon, I can literally look at it and tell you didn't practice it for more than 30 minutes.

>>723095025
Yeah you can keep your condescending bullshit to yourself mister superplayer.

>>723095025
How can you really tell? Did you played RagingBlasters? Why did you enter a shmup thread just to complain?

>>723095185
>How can you really tell
Because your routing and movement is abysmal. It's not practiced at all.

>>723089871
Make a thread for this and ask, and provide more specific information, preferably with screenshots or footage, and I will help you.

>>723095304
Really? What should he improve?

>>723095304
>routing and movement is abysmal
>only 2 major chain breaks
>4th place out of 850 or so records
I admit the movement could be cleaner, part of it could be that I'm not that experienced with shmups, but you're just full of shit.

>>723095782
1-ALL is very doable in any of their games.

>>723096008
>Responding to retarded bait
Anything to keep the general bumped

>>723096050
Anything to make you seethe yes

any tips for 1cc on Sol Divide? I am playing easy and the closest I got is 2cc, but still making mistakes in some sections

the Raiden legacy collection in steam is so shit, even the gog version is crappy because menus stutter for 10 seconds and it's a chore to boot it up, what's up with the Raiden Fighters Remix Collection?

>>723095782
>tried

>>723052578 (OP)
bro, where the fuck is your galaxy monkey?

>>723052578 (OP)
I want to play shmups but I'm retarded and I don't know if I should use a keyboard, buy an arcade stick or get a hitbox. I've been playing on PC for like 25 years so I suck at using an Xbox controller for fine movements.

>>723099094
Arcade stick is the go-to, hitbox is basically just a keyboard with fewer buttons, keyboard totally works.

>>723099165
Incorrect, try again.

does anyone want to reply to my posts? please?

>>723099094
Nigger just fucking play. It doesn't fucking matter what fucking controller you use.

>>723099165
Keyboard is pretty good though

>>723099390
Why are you like this?
>>723100312
That's what I said.

>>723100982
Don't make a thread trying to manipulate beginners then give terrible advice to beginners. That one guy still doesn't know how to navigate bullet patterns, he's gunna be a shitter forever and drop the genre, most likely.

>>723101371
>Don't make a thread trying to manipulate beginners
Take it up with OP, not me.
>give terrible advice to beginners
What advice that I gave was terrible? That arcade stick seems to be preferable for shmups (and other arcade genres too for obvious reasons) or that shmups are totally playable with a keyboard if you don't have anything else?
>he's gunna be a shitter forever and drop the genre
If that's the case he's gonna do that regardless of the input method he uses.

>>723101570
>What advice that I gave was terrible?
He should make a thread and ask if he wants actual advice. I guess finding out the internet is full of retarded grifters is all part of the learning process as well.

>>723101801
What crawled up your fucking ass and died? Dude asked a question, I answered in good faith, the fuck else do you want? Take your moral crusade elsewhere you failed janny.

>>723101943
>I made a thread for attention and then gave answers to questions that I'm not knowledgable about (because I just made this thread for attention) because I desperately need to keep this thread bumped, how am I in the wrong???

>>723101943
>Take your moral crusade elsewhere you failed janny.
He won't, because he's an undersocialized retard whose greatest source of interaction is trolling threads on /v/

>Dodonpachi
>Any of the touhous
>"1cc clearable for normal people"
We get it, you're soooo skilled and your cock is big and black

>>723052578 (OP)
i could, but i dont want to.

>>723102109
>everyone in this thread is the same person
Okay you schizo, so what's wrong with the advice given then?

>>723102274
>Any of the touhous
>"1cc clearable for normal people"
Easy 1cc is, well, easy and even Normal is feasible with some practice in most games.

>>723102274
Honestly the wording is silly. Normalfags wouldn't bother doing any 1cc at all no matter how easy the it might me. It just required a completely different mindset than how people approach games nowadays.

for me it's the humble 3cc since everyone knows video games always give you 2 free continues

>>723102720
You might not like what I'm about to say, but that's not that different from, like, rage games, and people still play those even though the gameplay in them is markedly less fun.

>>723102274
>>723102427
Isn't there a Touhou game that just gives you infinite lives? Just play that for a guaranteed 1CC

https://youtu.be/AjuVOi89AyI
There is no catch-all answer for proper hardware, and in many cases an arcade stick is not good at all. Many doujin/indie shmups are designed with rapid movement changes in mind because the developers play them on keyboard, which is not a strength of a stick. Additionally, sticks/hitboxes offer many advantages outside shmups which are in no way comparable to a keyboard.
https://youtu.be/0v0z6kZs1BE
The only right answer is to play what is comfortable, as 99% of shmups are not execution heavy. Changing input devices will likely not improve your play.

Where to look at the screen to avoid bullets is also not as simple as looking near your ship or the origin of the bullets. A very important technique in shmups is being able to ascertain where safe lanes appear, to be able to stream and manipulate bullets, and to respond to predictable attacks in a way that does not require concentration so you can focus on other things, and as this is an incredibly complex genre the answer is far too long winded to truly address in an awful thread like this one that does not deserve it. OP should quite frankly punch sand and stop misleading people.

If you want advice you should record your gameplay, take screenshots or webms of where you are stuck, and make a thread asking honestly. This is the quickest way to improve.

>>723103279
You think we can't tell you are the one spamming sage?

>>723103503
>we

keyboard is objectively the best

>>723103814
arcade stick is objectively the most fun

>>723103814
Tru dat.
Anything that has a good dpad also works, you really want to make precise taps.

>>723103921
fun is objectively unoptimal

>>723103921
This one is also true

I only play real shmups and not bullet spam tryhard slop

I play both

Bomba~

hina

>>723105959
I like her sister more

>>723057405
>Ten Desires
No way. Lives are at it's most scarce in the series, and newbs won't be able to figure out the trance gimmick well.
DDC is fine for a starter. EoSD is commonly suggested because it was most players' first 2hu, however I agree that the barebones gameplay (despite being at it's purest) can be difficult or off-putting for total beginners. IN is usually suggested because it's very lenient (abundant resources) and easy to get into (spell practice, classic character ensemble as opposed to nu-toehoes).

>>723062880
I love seeing this dumb generalization posted often as if it's supposed to be some kind of epic own.
Secondary fans don't play the games and are not ashamed of it, and whatever """few""" primary fans massively outnumber any given shmup games' own players numbers. What's the point?

>>723055292
Cotton's first game is not shit, it's basic for a shmup but it's not outright terrible

>>723055292
>ACTUALLY PUT GOOD GAMES THAT BEGINNERS WOULD WANT TO PLAY
How would you know what's good if you don't play anything

Let's keep the general alive, guys

What makes a SHMUP a good SHMUP?

>>723110187
Uh... it has to have... lots of bullets

I've been playing Touhou games for awhile without ever getting into more despite wanting to. I've 1cc'd Touhou 6-8,10,12,16,17,18, and 19 all on Normal and have beaten all the extra bosses from 6-8, and 10. What is comparable to that skill level yeah I get it's baby's first this and that but it's a start

>>723111886
Probably start with DoDonPachi, the most obvious inspiration for Touhou. It seems hard but you really get a shitton of bombs. Also the main thing with non-Touhou bullet hells is that the bullets are usually a lot faster.

>>723112103
>Probably start with DoDonPachi, the most obvious inspiration for Touhou
Dude what in the fuck is this post

Can OP go even 10 minutes without embarrassing himself?

>>723112445
What the fuck are you talking about of course Touhou is inspired by DoDonPachi. The idea for the bosses being small targets that move around the screen is basically Hibachi.

>>723112971
>What the fuck are you talking about of course Touhou is inspired by DoDonPachi
DDP and the first touhou game released less than a month apart you fucking mong

>>723113090
>the first touhou game
THE FIRST TOUHOU GAME IS ARKANOID YOU RETARD

>>723112626
it wasn't me

I'm keeping this thread alive out of spite

>>723118998
10/10

>>723117289
Isn't bumping a thread for 20 hours where everyone is calling you retarded and making fun of you, just to tell them how butthurt you are, I dunno, a bit cucked?

>shootem up player as an F-16 jet or spaceship
>*drake hand up*
>shoot em up player as a little magical girl with a wand
>*drake smiling pointing at the camera*

>>723119141
>10/10
Wow, that's the best rating you can get. 100 hours in Paint well spent!

>>723119247
1. Not OP, or whoever else it is you think is the lolcow of the thread
2. Who is "everyone"? This thread is just a bunch of disparate tangents about shmups with occasional shitflinging. Personally, I'm just doing it to torture that one fag who was trying some "elite play" by announcing his sage, because these threads seem to hurt him on a spiritual level

>>723119937
>Not OP, or whoever else it is you think is the lolcow of the thread
lol sure whatever you say OP

>>723120361
I'm literally not.
If I were you, I'd stop accusing everyone of being the same person. It makes you look schizophrenic

>>723052578 (OP)
What's the next big Shmup release?

>>723058059
Maybe don't make the text in those fucking ant sized without needing to open the entire image.

>>723120784
I suppose
https://twitter.com/rollinggunner/status/1969187918179611020?t=pKCXsv72dexVuP-P1Yil6Q&s=19

>>723120784
There are 2 new Shmup on the way for console and 1 that is stuck in arcades

From M2 you have Aleste Branch for 2026/2027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGD4vqbw-M

Also still waiting for Seijin Aleste, maybe if we ask M2 hard enough??? A lot of people who played this oen say its GOATED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN0VPofqSwk

And from M2 & Compile Heart you have Zaleste coming out early 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG_Zcdqn6bY&t=29473s
@8:11:11 into the video

>>723120562
>I'm literally not.
You pretty obviously are lmao, you even made that last thread seething about your boogieman and i dont think it even broke 100 replies

I recently played this. Unfortunately it's garbage. Zero difficulty and it just drags on forever.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2293310/Chromacell/

>>723122927
Still don't know what you're talking about.
Also another page 10 bump, lfg

M2 needs to do Batrider
Fans figured out how to do gadgets, they can too. It's not that hard. This is really the last "all-time great game" they're missing in their catalog.

>>723124835
>Fans figured out how to do gadgets, they can too. It's not that hard
they do a lot more than add "gadgets"
>This is really the last "all-time great game" they're missing in their catalog.
not even close

The Parodius scoring system is insanely underrated. It's basically Yagawa scoring but you can bounce the medals with your shots and turn them into power-ups, which is often unoptimal so you sometimes have to stop shooting to be able to score. It definitely puts it above Gradius imo, which doesn't really even have a scoring system.

>>723060402
And Dangoon Feveron.

>>723125280
>It definitely puts it above Gradius imo
thats a really low bar, like comparing morrowind to skyrim and saying its good

>>723062514
>maybe they've reversed their stance on PC ports.
Night Striker Gear is an exception because it's 100% developed by M2 and not a port, therefore there's no arcade-perfect gold standard for it to measure up to. And no two PC builds will run any given game EXACTLY the same, while a console's performance is even across the board, and that level of preciseness is what defines M2's stance on specifically their own "STG" releases.

>>723103279
>OP should quite frankly punch sand and stop misleading people.
My favorite one in the thread is telling people to emulate ps4 ports of arcade roms.

>>723125646
What about PS4 vs PS4 Pro thoughbeit

>>723125841
Boost Mode is optional. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if M2 somehow ensured their games to not handle any differently on a Pro.

If you're new to shmups and want to try a relatively easy and fun Cave-like, play Eden's Aegis. It's free.
https://xxgameroom.itch.io/edens-aegis

I want to 1cc the following
>darius gaiden
>g darius
>under defeat
>both sin and punishment games
>daifukkatsu
>dangun feveron
>wild guns reloaded
How hard would this be?

>>723126128
>How hard would this be?
if you have to ask people if something is too hard you're not ready to play any real video game thats worth playing

>>723126216
Can you start a stream and show us how hardcore gigachads like you get a 1cc?

>>723126216
>if you have to ask people if something is too hard
He didn't though. Learn to read.

>>723126358
He's not wrong though. Anon would be practicing if he was serious

>200 whole posts
>none of THOSE people in the thread
Jesus finally

>>723072648
>>723072745
>replying to the onimai avatarfag that doesn't play games
I shiggy diggy doo

>>723126358
I just 1cc'd doj, I will never stream for the rats here, as I dislike all of you.
>>723126372
He definitely did, the "STG difficulty ranking" wiki was already linked. You either set your mind to doing something or you don't. A huge portion of getting a 1cc is just research and practice, if you can't even boot the game up without an asspat how is that gunna work out?

>>723126679
>supposed shmupgod
>refuses to play shmups
Every time, just like Turd Strike and Ninja Gaiden fags

>>723126581
>that doesn't play games
I just 1cc'd doj

I can't even beat this without the konami code. I don't think I'm cut out for them.

>>723126757
My mistake, you only play shmups and are insanely ignorant of anything else despite how much you type to pretend you play

>>723126679
>He definitely did
He literally didn't. He asked how hard, not if it was too hard.
> the "STG difficulty ranking" wiki was already linked.
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>723126750
>supposed shmupgod
How in the fuck is a doj 1-all a "shmupgod". This is the whole point, you guys aren't even trying.

>>723126870
>so illiterate he literally cannot comprehend the concept of facetiousness

For a beginner, is there much difference between emulating a shmup versus getting the M2 version?

>>723127006
No m2 is just nicer.

>>723113128
Don't worry anon I'll be trying it out

Does anyone even sell prebuilt arcade sticks with Seimitsu parts anymore or did every company on Earth fall for the Sanwa meme

Anyone 1cc attempts or just credit feed? I'm accepting +300 ping

>>723128154
Ask this in the fighting game thread

>>723128207
I did and no one responded
I imagine most shmup players prefer Seimitsu so they might be more likely to know

>>723128154
>meme
Different parts are a meme. They all play the same. The only differences are things like spring stiffness or shaft length which can be easily modified with $0.50 parts from Aliexpress.
I guarantee you that all the people who swear by x part from y company won't be able to tell the difference in a blind test.

>>723128463
>I imagine most shmup players prefer Seimitsu
You are incorrect it's not exactly rocket surgery to modify an arcade stick. Additionally a JLF is just as good.

Actually it was because I was using Seimitsu buttons instead of Sanwa buttons that I lost, it wasn't because I never block and always spam my highest punishable moves

>>723128627
Sanwa: Has occasional opposite directions when returning to neutral
Seimitsu: Has NO opposite directions, returns to neutral perfectly

>>723131220
It's all a matter of spring stiffness. The default JLF spring is very weak, like 0.6lbs. With a 2lbs spring you have no rebound.
Also this doesn't apply to shmups since you never yank the stick like in fighting games.