Thread 723060698

Why haven’t the Yuuzhan Vong appeared in a Star Wars game yet despite being popular antagonists?

Everyone hates the Vong they’re the Drukhari from 40k that somehow got lost along the way and ended up in SW.

>>723060698 (OP)
that shit was old star wars. IIRC it got a vague mention in kotor II
Nu-wars isn't gonna touch that shit, but i would love for them to do it just because i want to see in what hilarious ways they'll fuck it up

>>723061148
>Drukhari
fuck off, those are the Dark Eldar

>>723060698 (OP)
They were wonderful in most of their concept, but their disconnectedness from the Force making them immune to it and unable to be sensed was rather dumb.
They should be immune to mental manipulation, but the actual physical effects of the Force(pushed, choked, zapped, etc.) wouldn't realistically stop just because they're bereft of it themselves. These two points are easily fixed though and I'd love to see them in a good game.

>>723060698 (OP)
I am actually surprised that they were mentioned in Kotor, but not in TOR, or at least in Empire at war as a goof faction.

>>723061789
>but their disconnectedness from the Force making them immune to it and unable to be sensed was rather dumb.
That was good. It meant that the Jedi couldn't rock the plot armor as hard. I do agree that they would need a better explanation for them not getting worked by the force attacks though. A device that projects a field would work for their elite soldiers.

>>723063282
>A device that projects a field
never liked the concept of technology somehow being able to interfere with mysterious powers. That would mean that the force can be phyically interacted with in some way other than through the mind of someone who is force sensitive. And how would a race that is so disconnected from the force even be able to create a device that protects them from it? Wouldn't that require some understanding of the force's nature and therefore the ability to interact with it?
>midichlorians
oh yeah... a shitty explanation for a shitty explanation

But I don't like the idea of anything being fully immune to the force anyways. Makes the force much less impressive. The Jedi were always balanced by their low numbers, we don't need a race immune to the force.
>there were thousands of jedi at some point in time!
Yeah, but on a galactic scale, a few thousand is very very very few. And most of them are fodder to the point that jango can take them out simply shooting them with his blasters, the truly powerful ones can be counted on one hand.

>>723065324
The force is not entirely useless against the Vong however, despite their immunity to it.
All force powers that don't rely on interaction with the enemy (read; aggressive ones) are unaffected. You can still shield yourself from damage, heal yourself, use battle meditation to make yourself and your allies more effective in combat, throw things at them, use projection to create illusions and confuse them, enhance your physical powers, force speed, force jump, all htese things would still work.
It is actually the dark side of the force that is affected most by the vong's immunity. Because it relies almost entirely on aggressive powers aimed against an opponent. One explanation for Palpatine creating the empire was that he wanted to attain the military and economic power to prepare the galaxy for a war against the vong, yet he destroyed the side of the force that was most fit to fight them. Ironic.

Disney erased the ENTIRE Extended Universe. None of that fanfiction matters.
It's Rey's IP now. Rey's movies. Rey's galaxy. Rey's Jedi Order. Rey!

>>723060698 (OP)
they arent canon in the Disney EU

>>723065659
Force precocnition would also still work, which is one of the most important powers in combat, because it doesn't rely on reading your enemies mind/feeling his intentions. Otherwise it wouldn't work against droids. They are machines and don't have a mind or intentions, yet jedi can still consistently deflect their blaster fire.

>>723060698 (OP)
>appear out of nowhere
>immune to the Force
>edgy design from start to finish
>go all 40k on Star Wars galaxy
>narrowly defeated by Luke and co
>settled the sentient planet and peaced out
Essentially what this anon >>723061148 said

>>723060698 (OP)
As someone with no context, they don't look like Star Wars at all. The whole "enemy RACE" thing is more Star Trek, as Star Wars aliens are basically meant as individuals instead of a collective.

>>723066151
The problem with Star Wars is there's always just one galactic government - the Republic, the Empire. Balkanized galaxy would work much better

>>723065324
>That would mean that the force can be phyically interacted with in some way other than through the mind of someone who is force sensitive. And how would a race that is so disconnected from the force even be able to create a device that protects them from it? Wouldn't that require some understanding of the force's nature and therefore the ability to interact with it?
>>midichlorians
No. They could have been from universe in which they wiped out magic users, or they developed a way to protect against it since they have been looking in the galaxy for thousands of years.

>>723060698 (OP)
not canon

>>723066319
>Balkanized galaxy would work much better
That is how Disney's shit should have been.
>>723066151
The context is they look like that because they are from another galaxy. They honestly make me think of zombo-predator.

>>723061148
I'll take the Drukhari over more Sith vs Jedi fuckery.

>>723068047
>That is how Disney's shit should have been
If they have any brains, so not, that is the status quo after the sequel trilogy.

>>723061148
>Drukhari

>>723068047
They can be from another galaxy but they do not artistically blend with anything else in SW. It would be like dropping a Mass Effect Reaper invasion into Star Trek.

>>723070638
> It would be like dropping a Mass Effect Reaper invasion into Star Trek.
You mean the thing they did in Picard season 1?

>>723065968
>Force precocnition would also still work
except it wouldn't, because the idea they're immune to the force should also mean they're a blackhole in your ability to see what they do in the future. You might at best see secondary effects, like bullets coming at you, but not the sword they're swinging themselves.

Isn't the explanation for their lack of force presence something stupid like they polluted their homeworld so their planet got uppity and cut them off to give them a lesson? That would have to change IMO.

>>723060698 (OP)
They almost were made canon by Clone Wars but the episode was never made because of the Disney buyout

>>723065324
>>723065659
>>723067954
Just steal more from 40k and they be blanks. So not only are they devoid of the force, but being near them weakens or straight up nullifies the force sensitive from even connecting to the force, which can hurt the force user or straight up kill them due to them relying on the force to live.

>>723070702
Elaborate.

>>723060698 (OP)
It's disappointing that there were no games with the Vong when pre-NJO content was hyping them up to be dangerous and the destruction they ended up doing in said series.

>>723060698 (OP)
>popular

>>723066019
What also annoys me is how non alien they look. They are alien from another galaxy and yet they are just human shaped space orcs. And their stuff also is not that alien, it's animal plus weird name.

>>723071015
Idea was scrapped before that

>>723070638
I don't agree.

>>723070793
If I recall, they can sense the absence of the Vong. Where as normally they can sense some one, they just sense emptiness.
>>723070793
Try reading the thread, asshat.

>>723073575
>romulans find device on abandoned planet
>touch it to get schizo visions about artificial life
>kills most biolife who use it
>survivors create a super duper secret society to wipe out artificial life
>fast forward
>learn signal was actually meant for artificial life
>"bio life is scared of you, summon us and we'll help you kill them all"
>planet of androids want to summon the robotentacle space monster because they're tired of the oppression they've faced when the super dumber secret romulan society did a heckin' false flag to blame androids for wiping out the federation's shipyards and doomed their own (romulan) race to extinction because the planet was making ships to save the romulans (an empire to rival the federation btw) from an unexpected super duper supernova
idk I've lost the plot at this point.
all you see of the reaper expys is some robo tentacles coming out of an asshole in space

>>723061148
>Drukhari

>>723071327
Would be like the planet drain shit from Kotor2.
>>723074272
Faggot hands typed your post.

putting vong in a singleplayer video game could have actually been a way to have a larger audience warm up to them (assuming the game is decent and the story good)

>>723060698 (OP)
One, they were hated. Two, I don't think they're even canon anymore.

>>723061148
The people who hate the Vong the most haven't read NJO.
In fact, an easy way to detect people who have no clue about the EU is asking them which saga was the worst one.
If they say anything that isn't Legacy of the Force, they haven't read anything of the EU.

>>723066319
>New Republic
>Imperial Remnant
>Crimson Empire
>Hutt Space
>Hapes Consortium
>Chiss Ascendancy
There were plenty of factions post ROTJ

>>723079135
you got even more if you include stuff like the Corporate Sector too

>>723061148
I wonder how Vong-hating Star Wars casuals would react if you told them about Abeloth.

ENTER

>>723077901
Nothing outside of the movies, cartoons, and a few games are canon, asshat.
>>723079135
That is the issue. Disney did nothing with them.

>>723079135
>mfw operation Cinder is the ST canon reason for why the republic instantly retook the galaxy
>mfw Mon Mothma disbanding the fleets to allow systems individual security, I.E the exact fucking reason the clone wars happened, is what allowed the first order to take it back
Something I love about NuWars is that it's so monumentally stupid that shitting on it all day will still barely scratch the surface. Someone can always dig up a new aspect of how absolutely retarded it is that you never knew.

>>723080554
I think the one that got me was a coworker explaining the Sith dagger/temple shit to me one day. It was a wild description.

>>723060698 (OP)
Look, I'll be square with you about it. The Vong are lame and gay by every metric.

>>723081303
The Sith dagger is legendary. It's genuinly one of the most "How did this pass the editor?" moments I've ever seen.

>>723081303
>>723081691
For me it's how little people mock it. It should be a legendarily retarded plot point, but after TLJ people had such little expectation that it's just considered a drop in the ocean of the ST's stupidity.

>>723070702
What even was this thing and where was it portaling in from?

>>723084039
Literally a Reaper. In the event of an organic/synthetic conflict, it portals in to sweep space clean of organic life. The Romulans even think that it's done so multiple times.

>>723081303
The holdo maneuver to me was the moment the entire series died, like the director or writer thought no one ever in the history of star wars thought to ram another ship in light speed? Let alone another writer? Up until then I just assumed it was similar to trek where its warp bubbles or whatever, now its literally the entire universe is to retarded to figure that out. Like why the fuck build a death star when you can just ram a ship in to a planet at light speed?

>>723084910

They probably never did it because it leaves such a massive, high speed debris field that will be around forever. That areas of spcace is now off limits for flying through without getting killed by debris.

>>723065828
This but Ashoka

>>723085235
>Sir, shouldn't we think about how this will affect the series?
>HA! Absolutely not, put it in. Those fucking nerds will make up some stupid headcanon to excuse away any shit we fart out. Then they'll beg for more. It's great!

>>723084474
Where's the evidence of it?
We have evidence of a race seeding biological life across the galaxy 4 000 000 000 YEARS AGO.
FOUR
BILLION
YEARS
And there's no evidence of a multidimensional synthetic race that has wiped out the galaxy multiple times? Except the beacon that the romulans found and told no one about?

The EU was so much better than Disney canon. The universe actually felt like it progressed and moved on from Rebels vs Empire, while Disney just made a rerun of the OG trilogy with the same story beats.

>>723085886
The evidence is up the writing team's collective ass. Give them a hot minute, they'll pull it out of there.

>>723085235
Yeah but someone who didn't give a shit like the Space Mujaheddin or ancient Sith warlords would just tape a bunch of freighters together and ram Corsucant at some point. The galaxy's really old and you can canonically build working starships out of junk.

Star Trek was kind of littered with Doomsday Weapons. The problem is Roddenberry realized the galaxy is big...really, really big. So running afoul of a Doomsday Weapon is basically just your bad luck bro. Kirk personally wrecked a few in his day by shouting at Scotty.

>>723070702
>>723084039
I wish they at least explore them more. They could be another Borg style baddies, what we get in show was super lame

>I was reading the vong books when they were new
>everyone I knew hated them
>would see people on forums bash them for years and years
>decades later
>influx of people who like this shit
It's all so tiresome.

>>723086925
There's literally nowhere else to go with the star wars story. Lucas made his "galaxy" the size of a small city. Everywhere is known, it's all explored, everyone who matters is already there or dead. It's why they struggled to create another villain and had to bring back Sheev. Anything that would carry a dozen books needed to come from outside the galaxy and be immune to the force or it would get wrecked. So you can blame Lucas for that. And you can stop whining since you couldn't come up with anything better.

>>723084910
The issue is it means the CIS would stomp the Republic by making cheap droids and ships to ram with.
>>723085235
Bullshit. You can write around that.

>>723060698 (OP)
who

>>723065828
the biggest canon is that no one will ever care about star wars as much as the 80s/90s/00s until they retcon that whole trilogy and make a better one (or let someone who actually gives a fuck do it instead)
>theyll never do that
exactly, which is the best part, they will just keep losing money on stupid ass attempts until they put the series on ice forever then either disney gets less cucked or goes bankrupt

>>723084910
>>723086690
All they had to do was say that functional shields 100% always negate the tactic (and knock out the ship's shields somehow, probably sabotage - even incompetently! - by the people who were running around on the ship already) so it becomes a niche tactic that you can only use when you've basically won already anyway. But they didn't think about it for 2 seconds so they couldn't even do that.
The death star remains a powerful and feared weapon because it was explicitly able to overpower planetary shields in one shot.

>>723066319
Nigga the moment the emperor died the empire fractured into dozens of different warlords and rump states who fought each other and the republic. That doesn't even take into account the empires in the unknown regions and threats from outside of the galaxy.

>>723087230
Because there is no need for it to go anywhere. The story that mattered, i.e. the one in the movies, was told. Lucas never cared or intended for all that extended crap for developmentally stunted autists. It was a morality tale for 12-year-olds. Grow up and move on, you pathetic manchildren. The point of Star Wars was to encourage you to move out in the world and go on your own adventure, like Luke did. But no, Star Wars fans want to be perpetual manchildren who can't grow up, they make it a point of obsession and their entire personality. They spend weeks arguing about made up after the fact fictional ship characteristics and lightsaber forms. Alec Guinness ended up being right. I hate Star Wars "fans".