Thread 723064218

>2.0
great introduction of the new region, especially for new players. Carlotta is a great unit to carry players early in 2.0. Roccia's story is a bit weak.
>2.1
Filler patch, but the Captain Ahab story was fun, and we get to enjoy fishing with Feebs. Brant's story is fun too with that pirate obsessed with greed. The world quest inside the Averardo Bank is nice and has voice acting, but it would've been nice to have more side quests within it.
>2.2
One of the best main story patches in 2.X with Cartethyia and Cantarella. Avinoleum is like an area from Elden Ring, but it's mostly empty. Cantarella's story is great too.
>2.3
Zani's quest was good but short. I was hoping there'd be sidequests in the new area, especially beating the dominatrix terrorizing the community. Ciaconna's story is nice with more world building, and the storybook style presentation was neat, though nothing sticks out for me.
>2.4
Septimont is huge, but mostly devoid of interesting locations, opportunities to explore caves and rooms for bits of lore, or world quests. The big quest involving Lupa and Cartethyia is great offering more insights and interaction between Fractsidus characters.

>>723064218 (OP)
>2.5
The Fabricatorium of the Deep is laughably empty. Looks good but is also the laziest with a handful of easy puzzles and no real sidequests, especially about the devotees populating the underground facility. The main highlight is Phrolova's story and is one of the best the game has to offer.
>2.6
The story moves as a brisk pace that takes you to several locations with lots of combat opportunities in-between; an actual hunting experience. Lots of action, set pieces and good music. Augusta and Iuno's stories are great, but Iuno's story is more of a companion quest rather than adding more to the main story.
>2.7
The finale and the longest quest in 2.X. The story does a decent job giving each character screen time and neatly concludes the overall story. But due to technical limitations of mobile devices, some cutscenes are weirdly presented. Overall, the finale was great.

>>723064281
Also, some of the pre-rendered action scenes in 2.7 were too fast. Hard to figure out the clusterfuck without watching the scenes several times. That's why WuWa needs a cutscene replay theater like in Resident Evil 4.

I started playing 7 gacha games and I picked ZZZ over WuWa. Despite the higher quality there is something that makes me think it is less souless.

Phrolova's story is shit, such a shame i didn't get to lop her head off.

i just finished frogs story
how is she playable? isn't she still evil/dead?

>>723065345
Canonically, she is not an ally to Rover or an ally to anyone outside the Fractsidus. She's basically a playable villain.

>>723065345
>isn't she still evil/dead?
Big spoiler.
Somehow, Phrolova returned

>>723065434
better than a half assed redeem story but it's funny that's she's the best teammate for hrover

>>723065495
This was pointed out by Cristoforo at the end of the quest. Phrolova intended to stay in the Beyond forever, but the energy required to maintain it is too high, even using Leviathan's power. Either she leaves or die within the Beyond once the power run out.

>>723065345
>>723065495
>Somehow.
I swear most of fandom doesn't read anything in game.
She is canonically mutan resonator
that has no weakness.

Also she isn't evil or good or anything. She has one goal, ressurect people she loves by ANY means.

I didn't care for Galbrena. The shilling was too much. They even made Rover completely useless to shill her.

They yapped so fucking much in this update holy shit. Barely any gameplay at all, just yapping and slow walking

SHINE BRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

This is fun, I think.

>>723068286
It's alright for mini-game.
But where is real combat event...

>>723064402
Cammy Wammy

There's an out of bounds glitch that lets you reach the big structure in Journeying Paradise. Here's how to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWjqteA-1Q

Kuro will eventually patch this out, so for the time being, it's doable post-quest.

>>723067659
>>723066917
did you play the ESLversion?

>>723071476
And what are you upset about today, sweaty? Just say it, save us some time

>>723064281
Kek I love how you praised every fucking story but you are now downplaying the previous patches to shill the new one and to pretend you are not a shill from discord, kek

>>723064218 (OP)
Why did people start pretending this isnt dogshit ~2-3 months after release?

>>723072331
Concession accepted, marketer

>>723064917
I'd say ZZZ and Wuwa are the only 3D gacha worth playing
But Wuwa really has something soulless about it due to the environments looking unreal engine asset swaps
So I guess I'd choose ZZZ over it

>>723066042
People don't read the bios at all. Leddit and twitter still think calcharo is le wholesome meme man when his bio says he used to be a murderer and kidnapper.

>>723072774
>murderer and kidnapper
Sounds based to me

so why are hetcels and yurigods fighting again?

>>723064917
ZZZ's issue is simply that the overall game format has less mass appeal. I tried to get into it but chose WuWa because ZZZ's main gameplay loop bored me.

>>723073738
Zzz should have been either a srpg or Ananta like.

>>723072623
But ZZZ looks like it has vaseline smeared all over it. WuWa's graphics, especially at max, looks sharper.

>30 posts in 3 and a half hours
>over half are samefag
No one fucking cares about your dead gook game you SEAnigger troon'
End your life

>>723064218 (OP)
holy tummy..
game?

>>723075908
Wuthering Waves!

>>723064218 (OP)
>great introduction of the new region

Rinascita looks great on the surface but the change in design was a massive letdown for me and made me finally quit in 2.6.

I love exploration in these kinds of games, simple as though it may be. With Rinascita there are two big changes:

1) Flight - no resistance in getting anywhere also means there's no excitement getting anywhere. When I first installed wuwa I had fun just ignoring everything and climbing that big chinese mountain next to the city. Would it still be cool if I could fly up there at mach 5 without any effort? Traversal should have some weight and resistance to it, otherwise it doesn't actually feel like you're travelling anywhere or discovering new places.

2) Treasure spots and other markers - this just kills exploration completely. Instead of looking around, using your eyes, clues, actually finding and discovering things, you just fly from marker to marker. Here's your mandated chest cleanup spot, here's your marked challenge, every patch you can go zoom between them. There are some unmarked treasures but extremely few after 2.0.

This open world game was redesigned for people who don't actually want to have an open world and want to vacuum all the gems as fast as possible with 0 resistance. To me that's the bread and butter of it even more so than the combat. They took the game and took out half the game out of it.

Combined with the awful teambuilding, the new powercreep balancing and ever less organic stories that feel like blatant ads for the newest wives, it's really become bottom of the barrel. Pretty sometimes but not much else.

>>723077957
>oh no the game gives me options!
>I've been brainwashed to always take the path least pleasant for me, it's my one critical weakness!

>>723074203
Wuwa looks better from a purely technical standpoint. But it's soulless otherwise, it's a literal UE asset flip.

>>723077957
Exploration in open world gacha games is inherently shit because you KNOW what you're going to find and it's all fucking casino tokens, not to mention the baby difficulty tier which makes every area a theme park. The genre simply cannot offer exciting exploration and adding a satisfying traversal option is actually a good thing.
Nightmare nests are a much bigger issues, not only do they clockblock you from farming no matter how much stamina you've stored but the new sets are almost unfarmable in the open world as well because there is only one 1star and one 3star echoes of each set to be found in the open world, echoes that can belong to three different sets when dropping one as well.
THIS is the biggest issue currently as nightmare nests, by becoming the sole reliable source of farming, actively made the open world irrelevant since farming new set is an unprecedented chore.
I'm about to drop the game because of this.

>>723080253
>literal
>asset flip

>>723064218 (OP)
Wuwas main story is just a series of character quests, meant to sell the current banner. There's no coherence, every patch is its own isolated universe. This is reflected in the writing, the characters and also the map (every other patch is just a new island, there is no connected landscape). It's literally the most soulless slop ever.

>>723064218 (OP)
That model looks cool

>>723080568
All Chinese gacha are written like abhorrent shit, this is a non issue
It's like saying Wuwa's 1/10 writing is a huge issue because other gacha are 2/10

I'm still waiting for a game like Genshin or WW that has explicit interactive sex scenes.

>>723080503
>he expects to farm artifacts in the open world
Do you expect to find 5 star weapons in it as well lmao. Yeah you know that all you're going to find is roll currency but you don't know what that roll currency will actually give you so I don't really see the problem. You're the first person to complain about gacha rewards not being random enough, everyone complains about them being too random

How come Wuwa has millions of players and its always the same autist spamming threads about it?

>>723080743
It's a design issue, simple as. When I play Stalker or Enderal, exploration is thrilling because I have no fucking idea what I'm going to find and if the place I'm entering is truly dangerous or not.
Gacha games are simply incompatible with engaging exploration.

Hm, Qiuyuan? Might get him on his rerun.
I have no Phrolova, no Lupa.

>>723064218 (OP)
First part of 2.7 felt kind of boring, it didn't need to be that long

Galbrena's tummy made me ... to her in-game model...

>>723077820
BASEDman

>>723066042
did she regenerate her hymen too?

>>723080191
The world is designed around flight and it has a massive scale and is mostly empty. There's no ignoring that design, and same goes for the treasures - even if you don't use the markers, they're still clustered around a handful of spots and they're visible on your minimap. You're a dishonest retard but I suppose the game IS for retards so it's just as well.
>>723080503
>Exploration in open world gacha games is inherently shit because you KNOW what you're going to find and it's all fucking casino tokens, not to mention the baby difficulty tier which makes every area a theme park.

Not wrong in principle but it can still be fun. Genshin's exploration hides a ton of cool setpieces, has a lot of non-standard little hidden puzzles, nooks and crannies to find, hidden quests as well. Of course the only thing you'll ever get are gems but finding something cool can be a reward in itself. It's not terribly deep and is the gaming equivalent of fast food but it used to scratch that exploration itch. Sadly it's taken notes from wuwa lately and has been shit as well, and got wuwa's lootmapper on top of that. Earlier Genshin like Dragonspine, Enka/Chasm and Sumeru were all pretty fun to explore when the areas could still be complex enough. Sadly it doesn't seem like that game is getting one of those again, Natlan was a giant themepark and Nod-Krai is extremely basic and boring.

>>723081434
good

>>723081493

>>723081854
>both posts are mine

>>723081006
I love Enderal as well but it's rarely dangerous past the initial 15ish hours, it's one of those games that are only hard at the beginning

>>723081974
!!!

>>723082163
I want to lick ice cream off her tummy...and press my pale abs flat against hers!

>>723081730
Genshin's exploration turned to abysmal dogshit with Sumeru when the playerbase got hard filtered by Inazuma's puzzles and hostile areas.
Afterwards, it became even worse than wuwa because there were truly no redeeming qualities. Natlan added some faintly "hostile" zones with lava and the volcano but they don't hinder exploration in any way and the level design truly did a poor job at making those feel like a threat, there isn't a single area where lava is an actual danger instead of a "use the water saurian symbol right next to you" sign.
Quests are absolutely atrocious. I agree that they can be a way to make exploration interesting but so far no chinese gacha has engaging quests.
Oh I just finished reading your post and your takeaway is mostly the same as mine then. Dragonspine was probably the best thing they could do exploration-wise when accounting for absolutely uninteresting finds and terrible quests. I agree that nothing in Wuwa comes close to this but it wasn't anything to write home about either.

>>723082358
Galby Walby

>>723082404
She won.

>>723082026
Depends on the difficulty you play at. Enderal can remain dangerous for very long because despite the skyrim combat, matchups are very important. As a glass cannon mage, archers are absolutely deadly at all stages of the game especially in dark areas where you can't see shit, same for other mages with a magic shield.
Don't get me started on the northern mountain and especially the starling ship, it's really fucking threatening.

>>723082450
Seeing as how she made me spend every single astrite I had on her, she certainly did. I'm going to miss that character trial... ;_; what a tummy...

>>723068286
>another wave shit event
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>723082308
>Quests are absolutely atrocious. I agree that they can be a way to make exploration interesting but so far no chinese gacha has engaging quests.
I like Genshin world quests chains, they're fun

>>723082496
I keep meaning to replay it but never find the time. I only played the release version and not the Special Edition. The game is comfy exploration kino though for sure.

>>723082514
Was it worth it?

>>723082686
YES ! ! !

>>723082716
Very good.

>>723082854
She's really cute too...and sexy...and cool!

I'm steeling myself. Saving my load on Chisa next patch.....

>>723064218 (OP)
2.0 being good doesn't matter when beginning of the game has such lame story that it keeps new players from continuing.
Yes, it might get better... But why would I bother with it when there's so many other games to play which have an immediate hook?

>>723082651
The SE version fixes a bunch of bug, it's nice for a replay because I remember having some really weird questlines bugs back then. One thing I recommend for a new playthrough, and if your PC isn't a decade old, is to set the resolution of the game to 4k using SSEDisplaytweaks. If your monitor isn't 4k, you'll see a tremendous increase in visual quality.

>>723083053
Skyrim was shit. Would I like Enderal?

>>723083242
Depends on what you disliked. Combat system is mostly the same.
Dungeon design is infinitely better though.

>>723083053
It's impressive how it looks despite the engine even today. Also I was wrong, I didn't mean the SE version specifically, but the content update they did post-release at some point. I think they added some new guild questline, a new ending and some other stuff.

It's an amazing achievement already but I really wish they got to flesh out the world a bit more. There's some destroyed villages around and I feel like the intention was to have them populated initially. I feel like that might've been the case because of how few quests there are around the world ultimately, and there's manned griffon towers (but why would anyone want to go there if the only three settlements are Ark, the starting village and the small desert port?) It really feels like cut content to me and I wish there was at least one more hub with a few quests in there to make it more lived in.

Chisa is apparently a healer/buffer. I don't like it. I hope the leak is fake.

When a banner says, a 5-star resonator is guaranteed every 80 pulls, does it mean the counter is reset even if I pull some 1.0 shitter, as long as it's 5-star, and not necessarily the banner character?

>>723083616
Yes

>>723083448
The new questline is absolutely mindblowing. You can truly feel how SureAi matured over time, to the point that you'd like them to rewrite the entire game so as to smooth out the rough edges of the writing that felt rather amateurish at times, even if earnest. Definitely go for another playthrough and do that Rhalata questline, it's really worth playing.
I felt like the world was alive enough, considering how the world is nearing a global catastrophe. Fogville only works because it's deserted and The Butcher of Ark book series gives it even more mystique. The only Myrad tower that felt out of place to me was the Dark Valley's, it should have been ransacked multiple times.

>>723083669
Jesus how jewish

>>723084027
Welcome to gachas anon, the jewery in the genre used to be even worse before these premium gachas appeared

>>723084243
I love boobs

>>723084161
I shudder every time I see someone has maxed out the resonance chain of a character that came out like a day before. Just how fucking much they must've spent on video game characters

>>723072774
>Leddit and twitter still think calcharo is le wholesome meme man when his bio says he used to be a murderer and kidnapper.
Oh he's gonna be a smashing success with the ladies.

>>723064218 (OP)
damn the girl on the right is so hot
still not playing tho

>>723080673
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that and side with anon.
Wuwa started in the maximum sloppa gutter after all the rewrites it underwent to the point of being completely unstructured and incoherent at launch. Nowadays it improved but is still just making it up as it goes along.
At this point we've defeated Leviathan 4 times. He was supposed to be dead after Cartethyia severed him from Imperator.
Oops he's back-ish (sorta?) through the reanimated corpse of a schizophrenic gladiator girl somehow connected to Lupa (despite this connection being completely meaningless and irrelevant- just go with it, we needed to follow the vagina-driven narrative and make Lupa relevant).
Now we can unceremoniously drop the Lupa shit as a worthless red herring because actually the threat was Pope Dickass resurrecting Leviathan through the schizo gladiator girl corpse and the new vagina we're following is Phrolova.
Oops but wait le waveworn phenomenomonom, sonoro sphere WANDERING PARADISE retrograde rain LAMENT rewritten fate! now go to random empty island with the new vaginas of Augusta and Iuno. Go beat up the False Sovereign to somehow defeat the Threnodian again (even though the False Sovereign is just a souped up TD as far as I can tell and the story never really explains whats so special about it and why it matters so much to Augusta being able to stay in the role of Ephor (???).
OOPS now we can go to this other place and beat up Leviathan finally for realsies with this new DONTE FROM DEVIL MAY CRY (tm) vagina.
Also this will unlock the magical McGuffin from Imperator that contains an important secret message of how to defeat the Lament... even though we can just go talk to Imperator since we're the Laureatte....
This shit is super sloppy even before you talk about how the game's lore is just technobabble words thrown at you and how it has no concept of pacing so all the payoff comes too soon and feels unsatisfying and rushed

LUPA MENTIONED

>>723088304
As I've said, it's chinese gacha writing, who gives a shit? It's absolute dogshit, you play this game to have a power trip with cool anime characters and enjoy nice animations with nice feedback and stylish attacks.
I've been skipping every single quests for several patches now, why would I spend a minute going through the chinese plot when I can go and continue reading one of the several VNs I have on hold?

>>723088304
>>723091123
People who are too retarded to read shouldn't talk about writing. You skip every event and every bit of dialogue and then have the sheer brass to whine nothing makes sense. Whoa, you don't say!

>>723091625
I read for long enough to know if it's worth continuing. If it's shit, I'll just read quests once in a while to see if it improved.

>>723091625
So are you trying to claim the writing in wuwa is good?
If I read the SoNoRo SpHeRe w-a-v-e-w-o-r-n p-h-e-n-o-m-e-n-o-n WANDERING PARADISE retrograde rain L A M E N T bullshit technobabble more carefully it'll become Shakespeare?

>>723091625
Retarded faggot, the writing is bad. Chinks can't write. They can make cool and sexy characters and flashy gameplay but their writing skills is dogshit

I love tummies, bro.
But, tummies + waist hip ratio is the true promised land.

>>723091854
The story is continuous and builds on what happened before. So if you skip some parts, then you're not going to understand everything that happens next and why. It's fine to not care, your choice, but then why comment on things you don't know and don't care about as if you had any idea what it's really like?

>>723091886
Yes, I get it, foreign terms hurt your caveman brain and it's completely impossible to pay attention when they're explained to you. But that's not the game's fault

3.0 characters when
Galbrony's tits aren't big enough for me to pull.

>>723092179
Stories are layered, you can appreciate the partitioned parts you know? Every quest is a substory, dialogues are omnipresent and matter a lot as well. Stories are far more than a linear series of plot point and lore elements taken in a vacuum

>>723092532
Now you suddenly appreciate the "abhorrent dogshit"?

>>723092341
>foreign terms
Nah, that's stuff like using Loong for dragon and forcing voice actors to pronounce it correctly even in other languages. That was retarded also but not what I'm criticizing right now.
Stuff like the the waveworn phenomenon or the Wandering Paradise are intentionally left unexplained because they're plot devices for the game.
A waveworn phenomenon is literally anything in Solaris-3 that we don't have in the real world. It includes the TDs, the physiological changes that humans underwent in the setting, the spacial and temporal anomalies, sonoro spheres, echos, phantoms etc. It means whatever the writers want it to mean. It has no consistency by design because it's just a buzzword they throw at you to make whatever they want happen.
They straight up even say as much during the Black Shores quests when they mention that everything changed as a result of the Lament/ waveworn phenomenon except the laws of physics (then they contradict themselves later of course because the story has a ton of time and space fuckery that breaks physics).

>>723092747
I'm saying you don't need to be aware of the entire plot to judge the writing of the smaller parts that are no less important.

>>723091123
I don't know why people act like gacha writing is the worst thing ever. What anime games are you playing that have better writing? Jap JRPGs are even worse these days, they're just doing the same 5 generic stories over and over again for half a century now. What are your sky high expectations based on?

>>723093615
Not him and I agree with you, but the reason I write long rants in threads like this one is because it annoys me how amateur the mistakes being made are. You can take a generic story and execute well and that's not too much to expect from multimillion dollar studios.

>>723093615
Every single jrpg is better, even the worst ones, because their dialogues have much better flow and the characters are more diverse personality-wise. Wuwa and Genshin has dozens and dozens of playable characters and they're all completely bland goody two shoes with no real personality.
Gacha writing is also heavily tied to the financial side of the game because character banners not only guarantee a character inflation that never end but they also dictate the focus. Those games don't have a vision, even a bad one.

>>723085416
Sometimes that person just saved for that one specific character. Like there is someone saving over in Genshin since release for a certain character and has enough to totally max them and their weapon out at this point even if they get the absolute worst luck.

how painful would it be to try this shit game out and get the slut in the OP? how much time would I have to waste? without paypigging of course.

>>723093969
>characters are more diverse personality-wise
Absolute nonsense. The one thing gachas nail is the diversity of waifu types. I've been a weeb my whole life and even I'm sometimes surprised by the fresh combinations of waifu traits they manage to put together. Like Sneed and Orphie in ZZZ. Just think about how bizarre those characters are. Orphie is a younger clone of a woman who became her cybernetic tail, so she's two versions of the same woman, young and naive and old and jaded, at the some time, sometimes interrupting each other in dialogue. Yeah that's pretty fucking weird
Meanwhile in every JRPG you choose from the most generic anime tropes available. Here's your default genki girl, here's your default tsundere etc. If you've seen 5 anime you're familiar with the entire cast of Persona

>>723095068
You'll get her easily just by playing the game normally, you'll probably get 4-5 characters just from catching up to main story and exploring

>>723095163
Seed and Orphie are both wholesome chungus with nothing noteworthy about them. What you've described are superficial tropes to get them to sell, Orphie and Magus' argument are purely for show, they always end up agreeing and their relationship barely evolve throughout the plot. The contrast between their personalities is only used for comedic purposes, you don't see Magus completely losing her shit because she can't get an unexperienced, clumsy girl to obey her every words.
It's a completely missed opportunity to write something witty with military hierarchical relationships as a baseline for interesting developments.
No matter how "unique" they may look on the surface, everything plays out the fucking same.
This is why Phrolova's quest has been well received, it was the first time in Wuwa that a character felt more than a cardboard cutout, Phrolova had her own agenda, showed a new, unexpected side of Rover and the ending was definitely unexpected considering how sterile everything had been so far.

>>723064218 (OP)
The endgame for Wuwa has went down the fucking drain ever since they made ToA and Whiwa cater solely to the whales by inflating HP pools by half every patch and making the buffs only work with the new resonators. It's a shame im a week 1 player that has spent maybe $300 but have quit since i am obviously no longer the target audience since i dont S6 every banner.