Thread 723082086

FIND A FLAW

>>723082086 (OP)
Controller is too small and ergonomically awkward to play with.

Lasers are dying.

>>723082086 (OP)
>can only plug 2
>have to buy an extension to plug another 2

>>723082086 (OP)
No porn

>>723082086 (OP)
Lived too short. Emulation of it sucks.

>>723082086 (OP)
It not being the og PS is its only flaw

laser
cooling fan
power switch
system clock
difficult to program for
bad documentation

>>723082086 (OP)
Too fat

>>723082086 (OP)
Low quality chinkshit disc drive and laser

>>723082086 (OP)
Not a single one (aside from arguably the laser). Everything else is just historical revisionism.

>>723082086 (OP)

>The PlayStation 2's graphics processor (GPU) achieved a peak bandwidth of 48 GB/s due to its 4 MB of embedded DRAM (eDRAM), which was on-chip and exceptionally fast. This memory was connected to the GPU via a wide 2560-bit internal bus running at 150 MHz, allowing for extremely fast data transfer for graphics operations like framebuffers and textures. This high bandwidth was a key factor in the PS2's graphical capabilities, enabling it to stream textures and data much faster than the system's main RAM.
Modern cucksoles could never.

>>723082086 (OP)
>448i video output
yuck!

Library is mostly multiplats and shovelware
Horrendous video quality
Bad graphics in general
Even bad sound in a lot of games

Overall it's the most overrated console ever made hands down.

>>723082086 (OP)
95% of its "massive" library were games no one played. over hyped by nostalgia. If your console has over 1,000 games most players won't be playing most of them. N64 had like 350 games or something and is an iconic console because they were quality.

>>723082086 (OP)
It breaks too much and it was expensive to replace as middle class

test

>>723082086 (OP)
its not the ps2 slim

>>723082086 (OP)
>Shit game selection for 4P fun
>Worse performance than Xbox and Gamecube
>Tends to have morr disc-reading issues than the competition
>Have to go trough hoops for online play and even then, it's worse than Xbox in that regard
>Amazing exclusives but SNOY failed to create or nurture their 1st party catalogue and instead opted to pay for exclusivity, nowadays their relevant 1st party mascots are just a couple of realistic boring humans, all gaijij-made.

>>723084326
that's a positive thing though

>>723082086 (OP)
What's the process of getting a fat ps2 to play games off an external drive in current year? Good guide recommendations?

>>723083117
Name 10 good 3rd party>>723083117
N64 exclusives (As in, scored higher than 9 in metacritic).

>>723084374
>>Amazing exclusives but SNOY failed to create or nurture their 1st party catalogue
No basis in reality.

>>723084439
get a hard drive, a network adapter, sata upgrade it, format on pc as exfat, make folder named dvd, put ps2 game isos in dvd folder, run latest OPL off of fmcb memory card, play.

>>723082086 (OP)
Setting this up to play as five was an absolute hassle of a ritual where you have to disconnect and connect things at a specific unknown order.

>>723084525
>No basis in reality
Sure...

>>723084587
>every first party game got numerous sequels, spinoffs, advertising and support, first party relationships maintained to this day
You're confused.

>>723084528
How fucking lame, just play Halo or Smash Melee at this point, whay good 4p games did the PS2 have?

>>723082086 (OP)
it didnt bring grandma back

>>723082480
is the power switch faulty or something? how often do people actually use it?

>>723084676
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=4+player+PS2+games

>>723084656
Ok, from all those 1st party IPs which ones are relevant to this day other than GoW and MAYBE Ratchet?

>>723084763
I said GOOD

>>723084704
There are people that don't know you just hold the reset button on the front of the console for 2 seconds to power the console off. He thinks you need to hit the mains switch on the back because he's inbred.

>>723084774
This has what to do with PS2 games of their time not being supported? You don't even have a coherent line of thought here.

>>723082086 (OP)
Disc read errors that were so prevalent people accused Sony of including the defect on purpose so they could sell more units

>>723084841
>*mogs trash melee*

>>723084936
lol retard

>>723084953
Melee didn't stand a chance.

>>723082086 (OP)
Ps2"s biggest flaw is that it occasionally takes decades to report sales. We'll find a few million more here soon I bet.

>>723085147
Unfortunately, this really affects Nintendo fans for some reason. Also the sales come from serial number tracking and is a 10 year old figure but you've already been told that.

>>723084392
>want to play a game
>have to turn on my console before i can change the disc
>takes 40 seconds for the shitty tray to slide out
>always the first part to fail, literally everyones console required you to physically yank it open anyways

>>723084953
>Later released on Nintendo DS
Oh nononofffHahahahahah

>>723084953
Genuinely one of the most obnoxious games I've ever played. The sound design, the movement speed, the gameplay. It's all designed to annoy.

>>723085237
>neutered spinoff for tendies
>doesn't even know the game plays completely differently and is missing the co-op angle entirely.
Nintendo fans = non-players.

>>723085298
It's a brilliant game with good difficulty. Requires your friends to not be shitters.

>>723085375
I know you have terrible taste in games and just lick Sony gunt grease every day, but Cookies and Cream is perhaps the worst game you pretend is good.

>>723085231
Young and dumb me fucked up the disc drive when I did the swap to a burned 007 to install FMCB. I wonder how many drive failures are self inflicted.

>>723085448
>perhaps the worst game you pretend is good
...but enough about trash melee.

>>723085487
its just a guarantee with sliding disc trays. the same exact issue plagued the 360.

>>723085490
You don't like that game though, it's not some piece of shit shovelware on PS2 or a game shilled by Slimer on DF Retro.

>>723085487
What did you do? Misalign it? That's not hard to fix.

>>723085664
Smash melee is an alright game, the players are fucking weird so I would not want to associate them.

>>723085231
>disc
that's (You), meanwhile me
>want to play a game
>turn on console
>launch OPL
>got like 60 games available from my HDD

>>723084953
>>723085231
>"Come on in girls, let's play a game"
>Turn on piss2
>Awkward silence as tray refuses to open
>"Sorry girls, thos happens sometimes"
>Have to yank it open
>Take out Purse owner 3 and replace it with Cookies and Cream
>Disc read error
>"Heh, sorry, any minute now"
>Take out disc, blow on the insides of the console
>Clean discc with toothpaste
>Heavy sweating
>Disc FINALLY works
>"Oh shit, let me connect multi tap"
>Take out 2 offical controllers and 2 madcatz ones
>"Ah, let me set that up real quick"
>Look behind (You) to find you're alone
>"Girls?...."
>Melee's opening can be heard trough your walls as the girls went to play with him instead
>Quick wavedashin, Falcon Punch and Bowser's Up B heard in the distance aa you sob alone in your room

>>723085736
>the "girls" in question

>>723085717
It was so long ago. I think I ended up physically forcing the sled out enough to release the disc and swap in the burned one quick enough for the PS2 to keep reading it. Not a huge loss in the end since I switched to HDD booting.

>>723082086 (OP)
sometimes wont play my copy of mvc2
its the only disc it ha trouble with, and the disc is immaculate

>>723086003
I hope you're nicer to your electronics these days.

>>723086123
The insides of my PC make a smoker's lungs blush.

>>723086094
That's a CD game, you probably have to clean the lens inside the disc drive to get it going again with a q-tip and alcohol. I've seen a lot of copies of MVC2 just get treated like shit, so hopefully yours isn't some abused resurfaced victim.

>>723082086 (OP)
It wasn’t as powerful as the Xbox, but that hardly mattered because most PS2 devs worked round the system’s limitations like fucking wizards.

>>723086197
nah my copy is practically flawless. every ps2 ive played it on is a 50/50 work on start

>>723082086 (OP)
only 2 controller ports

>>723082086 (OP)
None, its a pure kino console.
>tons of great games
>can rotate the playstation icon so you can have the system upright
>freemcboot
>amazing system menu
>ability to have a HDD for backups
>at the time you could load a version of linux onto it
>when it got outdated it could still be used to play DVD's
>could play most PSX games just fine
Only downside I can think of is that the controller sticks were awful.

>>723086617
It really doesn't have that many truly great games, just mountains of shovelware.

>>723086671
This doesn't mean anything coming from a nintendo fan.

>>723086704
It's just the facts of the matter.

>>723082830
It had tons of video output options including 480p85hz and 1080i

My modded PS2 shatted itself when trying to read double-layered Gran Turismo 4 DVD. I've spent hours just restarting the console until it booted into the game.

>>723082086 (OP)
Came with composite cables out of the box and everyone assumed that's the best the console could do.
There's like a hundred games that support progressive scan and interlaced video looks like shit unless you have a CRT.

>>723086750
>It's just I'm a nintendo fan
Which is why you're in a PS2 thread.

>>723086781
Yeah and the PS5 is 8K

>>723082086 (OP)
No progressive scan.

>>723086832
This is a thread about criticizing the third world's favorite console.

>>723082365
>to plug another 2
The Genesis multitap, much like the one for the SNES, has four outlets, not just two. A grand total of 5 players. Several games supported this such as Bomberman. I know we're on /v/ but at least TRY to have some shred of self-respect and don't spread falsehoods to fit your narrative, please and thanks.

>>723085145
Why where 90's/00's "bombshells" so ugly? Like legitimately any instagram thot nowadays mogs the fuck out of any of those girls. Where beauty standards just different back then?

>>723082365
>to plug another 2
The PS2 multitap, much like the one for the SNES, has four outlets, not just two. A grand total of 5 players. Several games supported this such as Bomberman. I know we're on /v/ but at least TRY to have some shred of self-respect and don't spread falsehoods to fit your narrative, please and thanks.

>>723087108
Honestly who the fuck cares? Less than 1% of the library even supported it.

>>723085728
Memory card with a microsd is superior to hdd.

>>723087158
TRUE niggas who play Gauntlet: Dark Legacy and Bomberman care.

>>723087158
https://www.mobygames.com/attributes/attribute/476/
almost 600 games, that's pretty good. There are almost as many multi-tap PS2 games as there are retail gamecube games.

>>723086860
At least it has real frames unlike nvidia gpus

>>723082365
>can only plug 2
that's a feature, tendy

>>723086671
Just by virtue of having like 7 exclusive megaten titles makes it a kino console and that is just one franchise. Most great franchises had multiple games on the system, it was magical having genre defining masterpieces releasing on it every other month.

>>723087307
If you narrow it down to just PS2 and not every console to ever have a multitap, then it's 342. Yet nobody ever used one.

>>723082086 (OP)
its fps games suck

>>723082086 (OP)
no storage, have to buy memory cards

>>723087508
Because >2 mutliplayer is a useless gimmick.

>>723087682
Translation: It's okay when Sony does it.

>>723087682
>I grew up without friends and am totally not jealous of other people whose multitaps actually saw some use

>>723082086 (OP)
Its fanbase

>>723087817
No, I was playing with my friends outside. Only retarded tendies would gather inside someone's house to play bings.
Also:
>hurr durr you were friendless
By this logic 2000's society was full of antisocial spergs considering the ps2 is the most populae consoles in the history of videogames.

>>723083117
How can a game have nostalgia if no one played it?

>>723087846
All 160+ million of them?

>>723088020
Keep in mind most of those gadzillion "sales" were in the late 2000's to 2010's. They just kept selling even after the console stopped being made! I think they just discovered another 10 million in fact.

>>723086671
>war of the monsters
>sub-rebellion
>champions of norrath
>ape escape 3
>final fantasy x
>timesplitters
>ratchet and clank
>guitar hero
>ace combat
>kingdom hearts
>amazing PORTS of great games that nintenDONT like half life, deus ex, and quake 3
>insert picture of a smug anime girl as i wait for someone to say these were actually bad

>>723088120
the autopsy has been updated. the ps2 fanbase is at least 200 million strong.

>>723088124
>>723088164
>The ps2 was actually impopular as fuck guys, the gamecube is the actual winner of the generation!
Please listen to yourself.

>>723087108
I wasn't a consolebab because I was busy typing shit on the workstation, but I thought the extension only had two plugs

>>723086750
>Clock Kino 3, Kino Legion
>shovelware
Breaking news: Anon calls games he didn't like "shovelware."

>>723088340
I'm from a first world country, plenty of people I knew had a Gamecube back then. I know things were different in South America in the 2010s.

>>723088130
>>723088440
The standards on PS2 are astonishingly low.

>>723088546
Nigga you probably like Pikmin

>>723088546
name one console experience better than smugglers run. yes, any and every generation is allowed

>Cubies didn't even got to play GTA:SA
Ahahhaha oh nonononono, imagime missing out.

>>723088692
>you probably like a legendary game
>ebonics
Really makes you think.
>>723088719
Smuggler's Run 2 is on Gamecube, only it runs at twice the framerate.

>>723088739
GTA games are pure slop for actual cattle.

>>723088871
And yet, they sell consoles.
Did you buy your cube to play Super Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion?

>>723088786
Pikmin is overrated.

>>723088936
>And yet, they sell consoles.
Is that supposed to be some kind of own? The game made for actual sub 85 IQ cattle sells gadzillions? It's depressing if nothing else.

>>723089015
Sony always wins, baybee.

popular thing bad

>>723082086 (OP)
Homebrew scene is weak compared to Dreamcast and pre-5th gen consoles aside from piracy
PS2 had a billion games and half of those were Wii ports but nobody ported the Minecraft Beta clone to the PS2 yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9PEN3aukpA

>>723087103
we get it you like plastic filters

>>723088786
>pikmin is supposed to be legendary
are you trying to hurt your argument? the gamecube has good games like fzero gx and chibi robo

>>723089181
The PS2 homebrew scene reflects its fanbase: third worlders.

>>723087764
>low budget remakes of 80s arcade games look like shit
This is a shocking revelation to you? Sega designed these to be sold for 2500 yen

>>723089332
Everything looks like shit when ported or remade on PS2.

>>723082480
>difficult to program for
shouldn't be that hard, it had over 4,000 games

>>723089376
I think double the video memory did more here than any possible video output method.

>>723089376
>looks like shit when it wasn't made for the PS2
woah

>>723089579
The majority of PS2 games are sub 640x480 internally, then output at what is easily the most disgusting 480i the world has ever seen.

>>723089709
Not my point. You could run that thing with pristine 8K output through PCSX2 and it'd still be held back by textures.

>>723089706
What about a game made for PS2 that looks better when ported? Nothing has ever been improved on a port to PS2, only downgraded. But if a developer actually gave a shit then ports from PS2 were always better.

I had a memory card corrupt on me for seemingly no reason. that was pretty devastating

>>723087307
NTA I don't think that list is accurate, or the way Mobygames is querying 1-4 players is accurate. On page 1, I really really doubt neither Porsche Unleashed or Moto Racer 2 supports 4 players. If you click into Moto Racer 2 for example, it's the PC version that comes up as 1-4 players. I'm absolutely sure there is not 600 PS1 games that support 4 players with multitap.

>>723089879
Soulcalibur 3?

>>723082934
>Horrendous video quality
Huh? The analog video output is generally fine in both RGB and YPbPr as long as you don't use shit cables at least in all the units I've used, even in 480p mode. NTSC Gamecubes don't even support anything better than s-video, and the RGB from PAL Gamecubes is worse than you get from PS2.

>>723090290
>NTSC Gamecubes don't even support anything better than s-video
Get one of the earlier models that has a pure digital output port. Then get a Carby for HDMI out.

>>723088104
The console is over hyped by nostalgia. Not the games.

>>723089181
>>723089262
Dreamcast and OG Xbox didn't need a modchip for homebrew. For Dreamcast you actually needed nothing but a CD-R burner which you probably already had anyway so of course it got a big healthy scene. I never had an OG Xbox so I don't know if you could softmod it without buying anything but I know it could be done without soldering. It was also a way to get a relatively powerful PC compatible machine for cheap.

PS2 had to wait until 2003, 2-3 years after release to get PS2 Independence Exploit. Before that it was either modchips or swapcrap. You also needed a way to write custom data to the memory card to use it. Sony fixed it in the next console revision and then it was back to modchips or swapcrap again.

For Gamecube I'd say the homebrew scene was (possibly still is) worse than for PS2, or at best operating on a similar level.

>>723091019
>For Gamecube I'd say the homebrew scene was (possibly still is) worse than for PS2
It's way more active and produces much more impressive software and hardware.

>>723091112
I admit I've never followed it much. Did they really have better emulators on GC than PS2 even back in the day? Cool homebrew games? Better media player than PS2 SMS (over network?) despite not having a drive which reads full size or dual layer DVDs?

>>723090408
Yes I know about the digital AV port but xhe said PS2 has "horrendous video quality". It really doesn't. Gamecube is worse without additional hardware.

>>723091890
PikHacker's work alone sets a new standard for console game mods.

>>723082480
>difficult to program for
only from 2000 to 2002.

>>723082086 (OP)
PSN was half-assed to shit and it's still lackluster compared to Xbox Live even now.

>>723082086 (OP)
>no digital out
>controllers rot from the inside (that weird multi-layer plastic bag thing they have instead of a normal pcb)

No other complaints.

>>723092554
The early per-game online stuff PS2 has little to do with PSN though.

>>723092140
>It really doesn't.
It does though. The quality of the output itself is just bad.

>>723092554
The early per-game online stuff on PS2 has little to do with PSN though.

>>723092801
Perhaps it got worse in the latest (slim) revisions, or you have faulty hardware or shit cables. I've looked at a 480p RGB signal from a PS2 on a quality monitor using the official VGA adaper from the PS2 Linux kit + a good VGA cable and there was nothing wrong with it, no ghosting or smearing. Sharp pixel edges. 576i and 480i should work even better due to the lower frequencies used.

>>723082086 (OP)
Didn't sell enough systems

>>723093349
All models of the PS2 have the same bad video output, it's a known issue.

Btw. even if you have a Gamecube with the digital output port, it is AFAIK always outputting chroma subsampled digital component video. Never RGB nor even full 4:4:4 component video. (PAL Cubes also do the internal conversion to analog RGB from this chroma subsampled data) PS2 has no digital output, but at least internally it is generating the analog RGB signals from a full resolution digital RGB framebuffer.

>>723093505
Can you show me some digitized sample pictures? I recall no issue viewing it on a good VGA monitor which could resolve individual pixels very clearly at 640x480. Admittedly it's been years.

Not spherical.

It's not the Gamecube.

the trial and error of setting shit up for OPL and PS1 games is annoying but man is it comfy to finally start playing the games at a decent resolution because of the component output/upscaler, being able to use my DS3 is also a good plus, shame about USB fucking up FMV or audio for some games unless you get MX4SIO which I'm planning to next paycheck anyway

>>723094064
>>723093505
Yeah it's just as I remember it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnLthi8dM1M
I'm not going to watch through the whole thing but quickly seeking through it I see no obvious problems there when he's showing footage captured using s-video or better. It's possible the OG Xbox outputs slightly higher quality analog RGB or YPbPr signals (I've never owned one) but I have a hard time believing the Gamecube would look better due to the chroma subsampling unless you're using a digital display which has poor analog to digital conversion.