Thread 723085486

Why do game devs do them??
Who the fuck enjoy them???
Either make a main quest or side quest that takes place in that place or fuck off

Why fill your entire map with ? so your players have to go to each location to solve 20 puzzles, kill 10 bandits, find 5 treasure chests, etc.

And they even make sure all that shit is in your face at all times, it's not optional content if every time you open the map all of it is filled with shit.

>>723085486 (OP)
BotW and Elden Ring fixed this

>>723085552
yesh elden ring fixed it by fucking screwing quest missions where everything is hidden lmao

>>723085552
Morrowind had it figured out already.

>>723086415
>everything is hidden
Nothing is hidden. You just have to pay attention to what characters say.

>>723088013
yeah but you donnt have a quest book or something, you have to make a quest book yourself, don't you agree?

>>723088816
Maybe in some cases, but a lot of Elden Ring's quests I was able to complete just by remembering things character's said. I definitely wrote some stuff down too on my first playthrough.

One of the things I like about Fromsoft games is that they don't care if you miss stuff. It makes figuring those things out on your own that much more rewarding. Its far more engaging than having a checklist on a map. A nice compromise might be a Morrowind style journal.

>>723089158
>character's
I need more coffee

>>723088816
Write it down in a notebook irl. This is how games use to do it

>>723086415
Good, they're called "side" quests for a reason. You can miss every single one and the game would still be full length. Skipping the "side" quests in other open world slop games makes the game 1/10 as long. Side content should not make up more of your game than the main quest.

>>723088816
>yeah but you donnt have a quest book or something
then just write things down yourself on a notepad?

>>723085486 (OP)
Here is an IQ test for ya.

>I want dark souls to have an easy mode
>fuck off. no difficulty settings is a design choice. devs want you go have expierience fitting the genre. just get filtered and don't play it

>I want open world game without ubisoft(tm) markers on map
>____________________

Fill in the blank.

>>723085486 (OP)
play something else?
Retard?

>>723089158
>One of the things I like about Fromsoft games
Don't lump Elden Roll in with their other games. Obscure quest lines work in Dark Souls and Bloodborne because you're doing laps around linear tightly designed levels. You will run into the same characters multiple times naturally. The same formula doesn't work when they're just teleported to a random spot in a massive empty field that you will only visit once.

>>723085486 (OP)
gothic figured it out
don't make "activities", just build a small map that makes sense and has realisticly placed encounters, caves, interesting hand placed loot etc instead of random generated slop with sprinkled bandit camps to fill the empty space

>>723089896
nostalgia glasses

>>723089485
>>723089387
ok, I'll right it down a paper, thanks.
>>723089456
indeed, a side quest should not be part of the main quest

>>723089539
Summons and Elden Ring's spirits are the easy mode

>>723090006
it's still unbeaten

>>723085486 (OP)
newfag

>>723090006
I played Gothic 1/2 a few years ago and it absolutely is better than 99% of todays WRPGs

whats with all the days gone posting this week

>>723089813
that's honestly a good point. I guess it doesn't translate as well to an open world. Still, I didn't have too many issues with it

>>723089813
Didn't they literally add NPC icons to the map in the first patch? What are you even talking about

>>723089896
This shit is why I can never get into oblivion. Everything is so generic and homogeneous, every POI placement felt like some "I just work here" lady decided "OK, we haven't had ruins in [x distance] that means we have to put one here". That plus the enemies level with you means the entire fucking game is the samey SOULLESSness

>>723085552
>reading wiki
>"after you talk to glipglop the knight in cisterndale he'll appear ontop of the stone giant's dick in volgnheim which you can reach via this half-hour long side-path with no other items, he will then re-appear in cisterndate on the 4th full moon of the month after haldrin's comet crashes into the earth
Great quest design, 10/10

>>723090561
yeah I've played oblivion and hated it even when it came out, could never get into it for the same reason, plus the dungeons had this weird feel like corridors are built out of a few the same blocks, felt very repetitive and soulless

>>723090874
No one with a 3 digit IQ is using wikis while playing

>that feel when every marker is placed by you because it's necessary information
I only play open world building games now because of marker's fatigue.
With markers telling me where to go the game just becomes a trip to the grocery store.

>>723091263
I fucking love naming places in Valheim

>>723091025
Then elden ring has no quests.

It's OK to be mentally ill.

>>723086415
Elden Ring doesn’t have quests. It has NPCs spewing out random gibberish that doesn’t make any sense until you find them dead in a corner somewhere so some fuckwit can make a 7 hours long video essay on it explaining his head canon as if it’s intended to be factual by the devs.

>>723091381
I wish I wasn't terrible at naming shit, all my names are like; harbor, southplains, northmists, merchant, my main port is called mainport.

>>723091405
>>723091547
>can't complete a single quest without a wiki
simpleton

>>723091634
There are no quests, just assorted npcs that move around and talk jibberish.

>>723088013
That's a gigacope. Most characters don't give any indication of where they are going next and you have to guess. Look up any NPC guide for Elden Ring.

>>723091547
>I am sick with the death pox
>give them the antidote you randomly found 9 hours ago
>"thank you far wanderer"
>find them dead 25 minutes later with a legendary item on their corpse
"Ques Complete"

>>723091634
Half of the time NPCs don’t give you any clue of where they might be going. There is literally no way to know that without data mining or encountering them again by chance.

>>723091861
name a single NPC that's like this. You are talking out of your ass.

>>723091672
>>723091737
low IQ

>>723091965
How the fuck am i supposed to remember the details of a game that i finished 3 years ago? All i remember is most of them didnt mention where they might be going at all.

Extremely low IQ devs who say "well for the users who don't want to see the markers, they can turn them off!"

>>723092029
You did it anon, you shitposted at the right time, quest complete, here's your ack-, I am dead now.

>>723085552
Elden Ring's world was shit, Skyrim is literally the only decent open world game.

>>723092072
Thanks for proving me right
>>723092137
Its one thing to dislike the quest design, but to act like its IMPOSSIBLE to figure out without a wiki just tells me you lack critical thinking skills

>>723092389
I disagree. I love Skyrim too. They exceed at different things.

>>723092504
*cackle*
Perhaps it is the demons that speak through me
*cackle*
I must go to lindenvale now
*cackle*
Perhaps we will meet again?
*cackle*
Or perhaps...
...
...
>dies

10/10 writing

>>723092773
lol don't forget Zanzibart

>>723092504
You are so fucking retarded. It doesn’t take it to be a genius to figure out clues that NPCs give away but pretending they actually give you any clues what so ever is being peak delusional. This is why Soulsfags became such lolcows these days because majority of you are pretentious retards who severely suffer from the DK effect.

>>723093296
>figure out clues that NPCs give away
>pretending they actually give you any clues
Which is it dumbass?

>>723093380
Retarded ESL faggot who can’t comprehend linguistics

>>723085552
fast travel and having a map ruins openworld games. gamestudios have no idea what immersion is.

>>723085486 (OP)
Why do devs implement a meaningless level up system?

>>723085486 (OP)
We've reached such a level of contrarianism that having a usable map is now tranny, jew and slop.

>>723088013
Yeah that and also randomly run into characters at just the right moment lmao
As if they actually ever tell you where to go
>>723092504
>like its IMPOSSIBLE to figure out
It is impossible. Sometimes they just give you no hints. You can try looking for them randomly but then you can randomly trigger an event that kills them. Oops

>>723093898
Name one character like that

>>723093498
Ironically, this post sounds more ESL than anything I've posted.

>start quest
>give potion to either a girl or guy
>return and talk to him
>find his lab and talk to him again, get a summon for free
>talking doesn't advance the quest anymore
>reload the area, talk to him, nothing changes
>reload the area again, now he decides to let the quest continue
>if at any point you proceed with ranni's quest he fucking dies for no reason
>if you do decide to follow his quest through to completion and give the potion to ranni, you don't get a new reward out of it, other characters disappear locking their quests unless you absolve yourself, and he still fucking dies

>>723085552
>>723085486 (OP)
the only way to fix it's to only play one open world game a year or a month and not back to back this applies to every game.

>>723094484
>go in complete blind for first playthrough
>pull up a guide to see what I missed
>how the fuck was I suppose to know that
>trial and error

>>723094763
Low iq

>>723086556
This. Bethesda is shit, but they are the only fucking people in the industry that actually developed a good Open World system.

>>723085486 (OP)
the mobile thumbnail looks like a really dusty founders gpu

>>723085486 (OP)
Games should not have maps.

>>723085486 (OP)
Days Gone's map and markers are pretty clean.

>>723085486 (OP)
A good linear experience is better than a mediocre open world.
BUT
A good open world is better than a good linear experience.
A mediocre open world is better than a mediocre linear experience.