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Anonymous No.723094098 >>723094567 >>723094574 >>723094703 >>723094858 >>723095014 >>723095020 >>723095401 >>723096153 >>723096223 >>723096689 >>723096862 >>723096996 >>723097219 >>723097279 >>723097320 >>723097478 >>723097826 >>723098007 >>723098543 >>723099725 >>723100209 >>723100421 >>723100708 >>723100779 >>723102327 >>723102469 >>723102616 >>723103253 >>723103953 >>723106871 >>723106918 >>723109072 >>723113232 >>723113493 >>723114352 >>723114868 >>723115154 >>723115306 >>723115348 >>723116610 >>723117446 >>723117575 >>723121683 >>723122042 >>723122706 >>723122898 >>723123116 >>723123436 >>723124464 >>723125490 >>723125767 >>723127359 >>723127558 >>723127947 >>723128785 >>723128876 >>723130342 >>723130539 >>723132905 >>723139301 >>723141964 >>723145334
>wants to create games
>artstyle is unironically shit and too poor to hire an artist
should I use AI?
Anonymous No.723094340 >>723094937 >>723098645 >>723109628
Make the art style look like shit on purpose. It worked for other indies.
Anonymous No.723094441 >>723098645
Embrace your shit art. Better yet, find an artist who can't program for shit.
No one wants AI slop. It's innately unappealing.
Anonymous No.723094567 >>723095305
>>723094098 (OP)
Yea go for it everyone is doing it these days
Anonymous No.723094574
>>723094098 (OP)
Just make a game with your shit artstyle first, you can always iterate the assets later but if you're getting hung up on shit like this before even having a proof of concept you're never going to get anywhere.
Anonymous No.723094703 >>723094858
>>723094098 (OP)
buy an asset pack noob, Realm of the Mad God and many other games were built without drawing a single original pixel.
Everyone praises Toree 3d for its music...
which they bought in an asset pack
Anonymous No.723094719
This is one of the most common problems in the indie game market, and finding a cheap but unique art style is pretty much the main problem indie developers have to solve. Think Stardew Valley and Limbo.
Anonymous No.723094858 >>723098645
>>723094098 (OP)
people are more willing to forgive shit art than AI art, outside of maybe v0.001 porn vns made in renpy.
so unless you're making a porn vn in renpy with no real intent to hit 1.0, your shit art's gonna be entirely servicable.
in fact, if you're only going to use it for scene/UI blocking, you should use even shittier art so that you don't feel bad about replacing it later on down the line.

>>723094703
this too, I'm pretty sure there's even royalty-free assets out there, like how the soundtracks for 100% Orange Juice and JYDGE are royalty-free songs
Anonymous No.723094937 >>723097849 >>723143847
>>723094340
This, Cruelty squad looks like it got pulled out of a dog's mouth mid-chew and it's still great. Fuck substance go for cohesion and impressionism.
Anonymous No.723095014
>>723094098 (OP)
Pepperman would NOT say this
Anonymous No.723095020 >>723098645
>>723094098 (OP)
As many anons have already said, just use your shitty art. Then post progress here and I'll personally call your artstyle sovlful.
Anonymous No.723095305 >>723124642
>>723094567
Yeah, great AI games like... and... we can't forget about...
so many
Anonymous No.723095401
>>723094098 (OP)
vibecode the game and pick up a pencil nigger
or better yet just use ai for everything, no one would play it anyways
Anonymous No.723095817
Generate the whole game with AI.
Anonymous No.723096153 >>723107275
>>723094098 (OP)
shitty art is tenfold more endearing than poorly made and mass produced AI slop
your game will get disregarded as some shitty low effort third world asset flip instantly by everyone with an above Β°F room temperature IQ

with sovlful but shitty art some people will actually want to play your game
Anonymous No.723096223 >>723096559 >>723098528 >>723098645 >>723106730 >>723119654
>>723094098 (OP)
Anon, the guy who made pic related just wrote Silent Hill F

Don't worry about the art just make a good game
Anonymous No.723096395 >>723096589
t’s like some guy on /biz/ said: β€œI don’t know why you niggers are always trying to sell stuff at the cheapest price. You’re never going to beat Walmart or Home Depot at scale, so the best thing to do is create something high-quality that you sell at a premium.”

That's essetnailly what you are doing. When you try to make your game AAA-quality, you’re always going to lose to companies with millions at their disposal. Come up wiht an interesting design you can make on a budget. Don't bother trying to UE5 max.
Anonymous No.723096559 >>723096650
>>723096223
are you imFUCKINGplying she doesn't look absolutely gorgeous?
Anonymous No.723096589
>>723096395
its called market differentiation
Anonymous No.723096650
>>723096559
Look OP, proof
Anonymous No.723096689 >>723097004 >>723099087
>>723094098 (OP)
Unironically, befriend tranny artists.
Many of them are super passionate and talented at art, programming and music, if you give them some validation and offer them a chance to work on something similar to their favorite games they'll hop on the project and work for pennies, or even free if it's a fangame or passion project.
Just keep chuddery and politics out of the equation when talking to them and making the game.
Anonymous No.723096862 >>723097038 >>723097040 >>723097232 >>723097449 >>723116348
>>723094098 (OP)
Use AI for everything. Don't be stupid. It will be better than anything you can come up with. You are not an artist

If you go with original art you will never finish and you will feel a failure. Just get it done first
Anonymous No.723096996 >>723097597
>>723094098 (OP)
Getting actually decent art out of AI still takes some skill and effort. It's going to be shit if you're lazy about it.
Anonymous No.723097004
>>723096689
>befriend tranny artists
>keep chuddery and politics out of the equation
So THIS is how they infiltrate. Good to know. Not gonna hire you, though.
Anonymous No.723097038 >>723097269 >>723120792
>>723096862
>Gets shit done with AI
>In the future "For reference I made this, wanna hire me?"
>"Oh, that's AI shit..."
Sounds like a plan
Anonymous No.723097040
>>723096862
Jesus, at least learn how to do touch-ups in PS/Gimp or spot edits with img2img, that's just lazy
Anonymous No.723097219
>>723094098 (OP)
If you are so averse to improving yourself then why are you getting into game development in the first place?
Anonymous No.723097232
>>723096862
>ESL
>advocating for AI
Jesus...
Anonymous No.723097269
>>723097038
You won't be applying to any job in the future anyway
Anonymous No.723097279
>>723094098 (OP)
If art made by AI is souless with characters as a reference point imagine how souless it's going to be when you try to generate a completely new character
Anonymous No.723097320 >>723139872
>>723094098 (OP)
you would have to train your own models to minimiza the slop, you should just steal shit like pic related
Anonymous No.723097449
>>723096862
>It will be better than anything you can come up with. You are not an artist
You're projecting.
Anonymous No.723097478
>>723094098 (OP)
>should I use AI?
If you want your game to be fundamentally repulsive, yes
Among many reasons, one that I hate AI for is that there's no effort to it and its output therefore feels undeserved. Maybe try teaming up with an art man? Beats using AI by leaps and bounds, many people write off games using AI from the getgo and they're absolutely legitimized to do so, AI sickens me
Anonymous No.723097597
>>723096996
>Getting actually decent art out of AI still takes some skill and effort
>takes skill and effort
Now this bait is epic, have a (You) good sir
Anonymous No.723097783
Just draw it yourself dude
Shit art will always be preferred to ai
Anonymous No.723097826
>>723094098 (OP)
>itt niggas actually thinking they can do art better than AI
lol
lmao
keep crabbing away in that bucket
Anonymous No.723097849 >>723098009 >>723109807 >>723112792 >>723121908
>>723094937
The cruelty squad dev has an art degree. You have to actually know the rules of art before you break them.
Anonymous No.723097863 >>723098143 >>723146125
What type of art design would fit this horror RPG on a budget. Its like doom mixed with mass effect. Forgive my AI slop concept art
Anonymous No.723098007
>>723094098 (OP)
what kind of game do you even want to make?
Anonymous No.723098009 >>723098175
>>723097849
>the commie has an art degree
make a me laugh every time
Anonymous No.723098143 >>723098259 >>723111035
>>723097863
idk, when I see a slop pic, I get about as many ideas as I would from a stock photo of a floor.
Anonymous No.723098175 >>723102016
>>723098009
He's more successful than you'll ever be.
Anonymous No.723098259 >>723098925 >>723106681
>>723098143
Pretentious fag
Anonymous No.723098468 >>723098753
dont listen to the failures in this thread who amount to nothing

use AI and make your quickly make a game to capitalize on whatever niche fetish/topic you have in mind, there are plenty of AI sloppa games on steam right now making tons of money
Anonymous No.723098528
>>723096223
mittens = soul
Anonymous No.723098543 >>723122005
>>723094098 (OP)
if you can't even put any effort in the dressing, why the fuck should i care about the salad? no one cares if you're a beginner at art - everyone was there at some point. most people are still there.
there are bad artists who put themselves out there and are now better at their craft. same with bad programmers, bad writers and bad musicians.
even then, if you don't even like drawing in the first place, just own it. express yourself in the stuff you make.
you should just do what makes you happy. so do whatever, although i won't play something made by a person who gave up right at the start.
Anonymous No.723098645 >>723112671 >>723127801
>>723094340
>>723094441
>>723094858
>>723095020
i agree but the problem with that is that when you're bad at art your art CAN be soulful but you will take a lot of time

>>723096223
no kidding that takes a beginner at least one year to draw like that, and it has soul
Anonymous No.723098753
>>723098468
Such as?
Anonymous No.723098925 >>723099476
>>723098259
He's right, though. The problem with AIjeets is that they're the distilled retardation of an "ideas guy" who feels the exciting spark of inspiration from the slop they churn out, but they don't have nearly the amount of creativity or dedication to follow through with that idea. Like if some AI-obsessed loser came up to you and said:
>I want to make a game about this picture I prompted
And you were the one either publishing or buying the game, you'd want to ask:
>What's the world like?
>What's the story?
>Why are the characters doing what they're doing?
Along with a bunch of other questions that would completely fry the AI-tard's brain, because he literally did not give the game any further thought behind "This one image looks cool. I'm a game dev now!"
Anonymous No.723099087 >>723099258 >>723100625
>>723096689
>Just keep chuddery and politics out of the equation when talking to them and making the game.
>And then they will betray you and burn everything that you build to the ground like the mental unstable people that they are.
Anon! You can't hide the most important part!
Anonymous No.723099258 >>723100625
>>723099087
It's like a monkey's paw. Get good art, artist is mentally unstable and down the line will ruinate everything else
Anonymous No.723099476 >>723106681 >>723113946
>>723098925
You're just making a bunch of false assumptions. I wrote the entire story by hand (I have the notebook to prove it) and used AI to conceptualize some of it. It feels like people are unfairly critical of AI art and act as if all human-made art is inherently superior. If I'm a writer who can't make 3D art for anything, why shouldn't I try using AI for concept art? Saying it inspires nothing just seems like shit, it has a pretty clear visual concept, FPS sci-fi horror
Anonymous No.723099725
>>723094098 (OP)
>artstyle is unironically shit
change it
go find some cool artists and try to copy them, then try to add what you've learned into your "normal" art
Anonymous No.723100209
>>723094098 (OP)
Depends, can we please see a bit of your work?
Anonymous No.723100421 >>723100592
>>723094098 (OP)
pic related, something i've seen on godot's fucking reddit page, and other game dev/artist pages, i wouldn't use ai out of principle, but if you can't even make something half decent with pixels, the easiest art to pick up. then by all means use AI, but you're hindering yourself creatively and taking the fun out of making stuff.
Anonymous No.723100592 >>723100663
>>723100421
>soulless perfect circle is "good"
bait
Anonymous No.723100625
>>723099087
>>723099258
One of the major composers for Pizza Tower (OP's very pic) is a black tranny.
Not only the game was a resounding success but when other trannies tried to cancel Mc Pig on twitter for a very mildly edgy joke made on discord years ago, tranny composer came forward to defend Mc Pig saying he was nothing but respectful when they worked together, and all the allegations fizzled out and were forgotten.
Literally just don't be a /pol/tard and pick someone who isn't completely insane.
Anonymous No.723100663 >>723100937
>>723100592
don't take the image literally buddy
Anonymous No.723100708 >>723100857
>>723094098 (OP)
The art doesn't need to be good
It just needs to be charming
Anonymous No.723100779 >>723100857
>>723094098 (OP)
"shitty" art is more charming than ai
also i doubt its as bad as u say.artrists are notoriously hard on themselves
Anonymous No.723100857
>>723100708
>>723100779
sharing braincells
Anonymous No.723100937
>>723100663
he is autistic, what did u expect?
Anonymous No.723102016 >>723102131 >>723132025
>>723098175
I made 8 figures trading shitcoins
Anonymous No.723102131 >>723102587
>>723102016
I've heard this for years on the 4chans but am I really suppose to beleive somone worth $10+ million still sits around on 4chan all day like thats literally enough to get a house and some gold digging whore wife
Anonymous No.723102327
>>723094098 (OP)
If you're that desperate, the hell are you trying to make? Just sounds like your game is going to suck, ai or not.
Anonymous No.723102469
>>723094098 (OP)
You just posted a game that doesn't have high quality art but makes up for it with nice funny animations
Anonymous No.723102587 >>723106289 >>723123057
>>723102131
Why would I do any of that dumb shit? I like shitposting with you dumb fucks, so that's what I do.
Anonymous No.723102616
>>723094098 (OP)
the two most popular indie games have dogshit art
Anonymous No.723103179 >>723103674 >>723105751 >>723107939
What's a good tablet for drawing as a beginner? I've been trying to learn pixel art for my game, but the more I try it the more I feel I'd be more comfortable just drawing it proper, and I don't really know if I want a pixel artstyle anyway.
Anonymous No.723103253 >>723108053
>>723094098 (OP)
>Should I use gAIy?
No, join someone else who is a talented artist in game developing an bug finding/patching. Also plenty of folks have developed games that look like shit.
Anonymous No.723103674 >>723103761
>>723103179
>What's a good tablet for drawing as a beginner? I've been trying to learn pixel art for my game
No you didn't. You don't need tablet for pixel art.

>t. Wacom bamboo haver & pixel slop drawer
Anonymous No.723103761
>>723103674
No, I mean I've been trying to do pixel art with my mouse, but I don't really like doing it, so I was thinking I would buy a table and just try drawing with a pen instead.
Anonymous No.723103953
>>723094098 (OP)
I'll release the game with AI assets for free. Handcrafted experience will cost 10 bucks.
Anonymous No.723105751
>>723103179
just use a mouse, but the GAOMON S620 is a cheapest one i've gotten my hands on, got it for less then 20 bucks on ebay, it works well and had zero lag, only issue i had was it not working on one specific program i wanted to use. MyPaint
Anonymous No.723106289
>>723102587
why aren't you making goty
Anonymous No.723106681
>>723098259
>>723099476
Nothing AI produces can be original. Ai 'concept art' is a joke. You are conceptualizing a bastardized concoction of existing material. The human brain does this too, in it's own way through natural inspiration, but the element of soul is genuinely necessary to create something worth looking at.
Anonymous No.723106730
>>723096223
i unironically could never draw something as good and soulful as Ryukishi07's or ZUN's art
Anonymous No.723106871
>>723094098 (OP)
>Asset stores
>Collaborating with another artist
>Just say 'fuck it' and roll with the art anyway, you can always revise and revisit in the future

You got options, not sure why you wanna go with the one that doesn't benefit you at all.
Anonymous No.723106918
>>723094098 (OP)
It's stylistic shit, while still being detailed and consistent. You can tell a lot of thought and effort was put into it, and the ugliness exists to emphasize the wacky expressions and exaggerated gestures. It reminds me of something like Ren & Stimpy.
Anonymous No.723107154 >>723108804 >>723109394 >>723118571 >>723118930
I refuse to pay
Anonymous No.723107275
>>723096153
artniggers always say this cope
the reality is a game using ai will get a lot of hate, but a game with shit art will always get ignored and buried

if the game somehow does well, it's despite the shit art and could've been 100x more successful with better art
Anonymous No.723107939
>>723103179
I bought a tablet but I didn't like the feel, so I just decided to keep using a mouse.
Anonymous No.723108053
>>723103253
>Also plenty of folks have developed games that look like shit.
Pic not related though.
Anonymous No.723108697
I sympathize with the human-made art purists, but they might be fighting a losing battle. It seems like every other game I see coming out from bigger indie to AA dev studios now has disclaimers about how they've used AI at some point in the asset creation process. A lot of the ones without disclaimers probably used AI too and are hoping no one catches it. Even the ones that admit it with the disclaimers are still probably lying about just how heavily they rely on AI.
Anonymous No.723108804 >>723109004 >>723109292 >>723109335 >>723119570
>>723107154
>those prices
I refuse to believe someone pays for that.
Anonymous No.723109004
>>723108804
Clearly they do because they wouldn't charge those prices if nobody would pay for it. That's the thing about art, what you and I think is worth paying for differs quite a lot there's a skill in being able to convince others in what you think your art is worth. So that effect I think he's pretty successful.
Anonymous No.723109072
>>723094098 (OP)
There's no way you posted picrel and not know the answer yourself. If a game like Pizza tower succeeded with its hot pile of dogshit art that hurts to look at then why couldn't (you)?
Anonymous No.723109292 >>723119392
>>723108804
I don't even think that's very expensive, seems kind of cheap honestly.
Anonymous No.723109335
>>723108804
Well, not anymore hehe
Anonymous No.723109394
>>723107154
Might as well hire an artist full-time at this point.
Anonymous No.723109628
>>723094340
This fad is going to be out the window by the time anon finishes whatever project he is starting now.
It's already on the way out right now.
Anonymous No.723109807 >>723136667
>>723097849
>You have to actually know the rules of art before you break them.
No, and a degree in art means literally nothing except the skills it teaches you- which can actually all be attained just as quickly if not faster by studying independently.
'Art school' is 99 percent a scam to convince 18 year olds to waste their parents' money and 1 percent networking that will get you something for very specific people.
Anonymous No.723111035 >>723111646
>>723098143
Concept artists are unnecessary .
Anonymous No.723111646 >>723111919
>>723111035
If you are aiming for generic possible, then yes.
Anonymous No.723111919 >>723112263 >>723113149
>>723111646
AI is more creative than 99% of concept artists and it can match and emulate that remaining 1% just fine
Anonymous No.723112263 >>723112392
>>723111919
It can't came up with anything new, just emulating something or copying isn't enough for concept art.
Again, just generic shit.
Anonymous No.723112392 >>723112890 >>723113461
>>723112263
yes it can retard, if you specify nothing you get infinite new things
https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en
Anonymous No.723112671
>>723098645
This... fucking... niger...
>Guys! I cant art should I use....AI !?
>"Hey anon, but what about this art style, it's shit and it works"
>But what about the sOuL?
Soul huh... After you literally proposed to use AI instead...talking about the soul he is huh....
..People like you should be shot on sight, brought daylight on a busy square like it's a regular Tuesday...
Anonymous No.723112792
>>723097849
CS's visual style also seems intentional, not a quirk or concession.
Anonymous No.723112890 >>723112951 >>723113101 >>723113106 >>723115639
>>723112392
Ok then generate a new art style for me then, post it along the rules and guides to follow for it to look unique.
Shouldn't take much time, right?
Anonymous No.723112951 >>723113059
>>723112890
Anonymous No.723113058
I should make clay models and take photos of them. Or maybe just have childish drawings
Anonymous No.723113059 >>723113312
>>723112951
Lmao, but really , do it.
Anonymous No.723113101 >>723113224
>>723112890
If you merge styles you get new styles, that's what styles are, combinations of things that already exist in nature or created by man.
Anonymous No.723113106
>>723112890
>Can you?
Anonymous No.723113149 >>723113370 >>723113509
>>723111919
>and it can match and emulate that remaining 1% just fine
The problem is that AI is exceptionally bad at emulating all of the details of context, atmosphere, body language.
It's great at emulating technique but continuity, connotation, and all of the stuff that the typical user will only notice subconsciously it just totally fails at, and this only becomes really obvious when you prompt it at length continuously.

It can imitate a style, it can generate things that look like they belong in the same world, but it can't ever elevate it above the common user's perception of these things- because that's the perception that's being used to evaluate its performance in the first place.
Anonymous No.723113224 >>723113401
>>723113101
So, where are they then? post them.
Not just some generic anime shit that looks like a Twitter artist did it.
Some shit actually unique you can easily tell apart from everything else.
Anonymous No.723113232
>>723094098 (OP)
Just full send it, people love crap artstyles, it will stand out better than hiring a mediocre artist so long as you can do something else well.
Anonymous No.723113312
>>723113059
I did. The onyl reason you recognize AI art is because it's making unique art in new styles.
Anonymous No.723113370 >>723113616
>>723113149
Luddite cope. First you niggas said it would never do hands, now it's "bu bu THE BODY LANGUAGE!".
Enjoy the soup kitchen you jobless freak.
Anonymous No.723113401 >>723113491
>>723113224
So you can cry about it? I already won this argument.
Anonymous No.723113461
>>723112392
This is like proving his point though- sure it can generate an endless number of faces- but even then it has this really narrow conception of what a face is based on its training data.
No dogs? Chimpanzees? They have faces, but unless you create a new way of training the generator to make one of these at random, or hybrids that make sense, it will be nonsense because the data is too noisy.

And this is something that even bad human artists can do trivially. 'okay I take the ears of a fox and slap it on top of the head. Maybe the nose. Boom now I'm a degenerate.'
But you have to explicitly *train* an AI to do this specific kind of thing.
Anonymous No.723113491
>>723113401
>"Y-you can do it tho"
>"ok do it then"
>"NOOOO, YOU LOST"
YWNBAA KEEEK
Anonymous No.723113493
>>723094098 (OP)
>should I use AI?
if you want to shit on your own work and make people wholesale reject all of your effort and passion, then yes.

speaking of passion, find it in you to channel it and find a way to solve your dilemma. where there's a will, there's a way etc.
Anonymous No.723113509 >>723113779
>>723113149
uh huh...
Anonymous No.723113616 >>723114057
>>723113370
I don't think that you realize the point I'm making here isn't even necessarily intrinsically linked to the technology itself, but the problem of the users having incredibly boring conventional ideas of what good art is.
There's literally nothing interesting about the design you posted. It's incredibly boring slop because it was trained on images made by incredibly boring artists who excelled only in technique.

And you, being the typical user, don't recognize the subtleties that make character designs memorable and interesting.
Anonymous No.723113779 >>723114041 >>723114057 >>723114697 >>723116817
>>723113509
Again, this is like a very explicit prompting and to get around the constraints of the fact that these models aren't capable of developing the kind of understanding of motion that real people are.
You are feeding the AI image recognition data from REAL motion and it recreates it because it KNOWS WHAT YOU EXPECT IT TO DO because you have VERY EXPLICITLY SPELLED IT OUT.
Where a person would understand what you want intuitively with a few words- regardless of whether or not they personally have the ability to realize it on a technical level.
Anonymous No.723113946 >>723114057 >>723118865
>>723099476
i think the point is that i have a brain, if you tell me about your game or I read about it, I can cpnceptualise it in my head.

I don't need to outsource base human imagination to a thing that can't even properly convey what I'm trying to get across
Anonymous No.723114041
>>723113779
>Again, this is like a very explicit prompting
So you have no idea what you're looking at. It's just a guided WAN generation, without guidance you get just as much going on. You have no argument, just cope.
Anonymous No.723114057 >>723114297 >>723114312
>>723113616
>>723113779
>>723113946
this sounds like seething unemployed artist babble
Anonymous No.723114297 >>723114386 >>723114501 >>723114615 >>723114861 >>723124382
>>723114057
No, this is me being frustrated that WHEN I want to use AI it's often SLOWER and WORSE than just making something myself.

I want a texture of some grimy wall?
I tell grok or microsoft image gen, or a downloaded lora and it gives me five pictures of a concrete wall at a 45 degree angle that I can't do fucking anything with unless I want half my texture to be stretched and low res.
So instead I have to go to a public domain site to crawl for a picture to slap through some blender nodes.

YOU do not even understand these problems because all you do is use it to goon.
Anonymous No.723114312
>>723114057
brown
Anonymous No.723114352 >>723114448
>>723094098 (OP)
Dont use A.i
Or atleast dont be retarded with using A.I. if youre retarded come up with quick concepts. Copy small aspects that you like try to draw it badly. Trace A.I alongside studying real art in small steps.

The ugliest and most dishonest thing you can is just copy pasting A.I art with no changes. At least TRY to badly draw even if youre just tracing A.I
Anonymous No.723114386
>>723114297
I WANT AI to be better. There's so many parts of making 3d art that are so tedious that AI SHOULD be GREAT at that it ISN'T.
Anonymous No.723114448
>>723114352
>Tracing AI
It will look like shit still, when people that can't draw trace it's super obvious and looks awful
Anonymous No.723114501 >>723114610
>>723114297
>YOU do not even understand these problems because all you do is use it to goon
ofc, no AIslopper has ever created anything. if they knew what the process of creation meant, they wouldn't say the shit they say.

also for textures, I take photos with my phone all the time when i'm out and about of things that I can later use as a base for a texture.
Anonymous No.723114610 >>723114950
>>723114501
>I take photos with my phone all the time when i'm out and about of things that I can later use as a base for a texture.
Yeah I should probably just buy a phone with a decent camera, I see shit I could use all of the time but I have like a cheap ass android.
Anonymous No.723114615 >>723114905 >>723115138 >>723145427
>>723114297
post your art
Anonymous No.723114697 >>723114905
>>723113779
>very explicit prompting
You are not supposed to broadly ask the AI to draw something.
Anonymous No.723114726
I'm having to use Koikatsu to realise my designs currently
Anonymous No.723114861 >>723115026
>>723114297
you know what you can do? you can separate your sΓ³y babble like this
AI
*clap*
it's
*clap*
often
*clap*
SLOWER
*clap*
and
*clap*
WORSE
That way there'll be no doubt your a seething failed reddit luddite tard
Anonymous No.723114868
>>723094098 (OP)
meanwhile the most popular game ever made
Anonymous No.723114905 >>723115137
>>723114615
*My art* should not be your point of comparison in evaluating whether or not AI models have shortcomings and design drawbacks, and even if it were, what you've already posted are FANTASTIC examples of the point that I'm making.
I don't need to!
>>723114697
A well designed AI would be able to infer and create something I want based on as minimal information as possible- and this is also actually what you have to do to train a good model because if there's too much in your prompt, it won't know how to appropriately weight each element. It's just that I want a level of specificity and re-prompting refinement to achieve detail that it currently just isn't capable of giving me without repeated time consuming trial and error.
Anonymous No.723114950
>>723114610
same, but for textures you go fairly close up and also for my use case I downscale them to a max of 246x246 px anyways
Anonymous No.723115026
>>723114861
>That way there'll be no doubt your a seething failed reddit luddite tard
I'm telling you that you need to IMPROVE your technology and your response is to assume I'm a luddite.
No, you are just a shit guzzling Indian that worships a fancy gradient descent algorithm because it helps you coom.
Anonymous No.723115137 >>723115219
>>723114905
That's what I thought.
Anonymous No.723115138 >>723115208
>>723114615
what the fuck are these arbitrary and gross movements? why is she touching the screen? why is it artefacted to fuck, why does the surrounding look like a weird dream?
why does she spam space, then type on nothing with both hands?

you are definitely brown, holy shit
Anonymous No.723115154 >>723115292
>>723094098 (OP)
I guarantee you that no one will give a shit about your game if you use AI generated assets. Even the people advocating for you to use AI.
Anonymous No.723115208
>>723115138
it's a clip of a woman using a computer, it's not AI
Anonymous No.723115219 >>723115325
>>723115137
Anon, I'm not convinced you even *understand* the point I'm making.
Anonymous No.723115292
>>723115154
>Even the people advocating for you to use AI.
them the least of all, they don't even care about their own stuff, why would they care about someone else's?

i don't think actually caring is even a facet of their mindspace or an ability they have
Anonymous No.723115306
>>723094098 (OP)
>Should I give myself the mark of shame?
I don't know, what you think?
Anonymous No.723115325 >>723115740 >>723115841 >>723115961
>>723115219
Your damage control didn't work. You're a shitty artinst seething at AI because it mogs you.
Anonymous No.723115348 >>723115556
>>723094098 (OP)
Just go with the bad art. If it still bothers you after the game comes out, if you made enough money on the game hire an artist using that money and then put up a "Non-bad art" DLC for a dollar.
Anonymous No.723115556
>>723115348
By the time your game is done and is released you should have improved somewhat to where you can take what you learned into your next project. I think what people fail to realize is that your first game isn't meant to be your magnum opus. You're gonna (probably) fail a lot and you will learn from it, just start small and keep going until you're confident enough to work on something bigger and better.
Anonymous No.723115639 >>723116030
>>723112890
>p-pwease create a new art style 4 me pwease
Oh it's this faggot again.

See what did I say? Retards just waste time seething at AI just to get btfo'd. See you in the next thread ya fucking loser LMAO.
Anonymous No.723115740 >>723115841 >>723115961 >>723117184
>>723115325
Go tell your AI to create a texture that looks like this wall without feeding in the image itself.
Tell me your prompt when it's finished and I will verify acknowledge that it's useful for this EXTREMELY TRIVIAL THING IT SHOULD BE GOOD AT but isn't.

Helpful keywords: stamped concrete, wood grain, profile view.
Anonymous No.723115841 >>723115961
>>723115740
>>723115325
Oh, I want the moss on the bottom of the wall as well.
I want it at least 1024x1024.
Anonymous No.723115961
>>723115740
>>723115841
>>723115325
Actually you know what, if it helps go ahead and feed the image in, that actually would still be useful even if it requires that.
Anonymous No.723116000 >>723116048
>AI is a fun tool but not an end all be all. Still requires proper input and guidance.
>NO IT'S BAD BECAUSE IT CANT MAKE 100% ORIGINAL SHIT REEEEE FUCK AI FUCK AI
why are luddies like this
Anonymous No.723116030
>>723115639
You can't do it :^)
Anonymous No.723116048 >>723116145
>>723116000
>AI is a fun tool but not an end all be all
But this is literally the exact point I was making that YOU were getting angry at.
Anonymous No.723116145 >>723116180
>>723116048
You sound like a real faggot, man.
Anonymous No.723116180 >>723116304
>>723116145
You sound like you're angry that I'm right.
Anonymous No.723116304 >>723116508 >>723116589
>>723116180
What does creating an original style do with using it as art for game dev? Nothing. It's just the same shitty argument that I'm pretty sure has been proven wrong multiple times in the past already.
>n-no that doesn't count
Is your response everytime btw. It's all tiresome. I'm glad artists are losing jobs.
Anonymous No.723116348 >>723116453
>>723096862
shit covered hands typed this post
Anonymous No.723116453
>>723116348
absolutely seething
Anonymous No.723116508 >>723116589 >>723116705 >>723116729
>>723116304
>What does creating an original style do with using it as art for game dev?
No dude, I am saying this EXPLICITLY in the context of making a game.
I just asked you to do something with AI that you are going to need to do ALL OF THE TIME making a 3d game and it can't even do that.

AI is useful for spitballing (kind of), concept art, whatever. The minute you need it to do something useful for making assets?
It's not a substitute at all.
You act like this is a replacement for knowing how to make art, it's not AT ALL.
It's useful as a shortcut in certain things, that's it.
Anonymous No.723116589 >>723116832 >>723116931 >>723117132
>>723116508
>>723116304
>AI is useful for spitballing (kind of), concept art, whatever.
Also by the way, this is literally the LEAST time consuming and important part of creating art for games.
Anonymous No.723116610
>>723094098 (OP)
If you want it to look like shit, AI is exactly what you want.
Anonymous No.723116705 >>723116985
>>723116508
You can literally make quick portraits and banner art. Textures depends but you can just throw in whatever, use a style lora and get something that fits that style which would make your game more cohesive. Either way you just have to be creative. Shit people will suck regardless if they drew or used AI.
Anonymous No.723116727
How do you learn to make games? What courses are you supposed to take? Has anyone ever made a game withoit formal studies?
Anonymous No.723116729 >>723116985
>>723116508
There are over 10k gameso n steam using AI.
You are a sperglord coping.
Anonymous No.723116817
>>723113779
dumb as fuck take
Anonymous No.723116832 >>723117121
>>723116589
You're challenging nothing btw. No one gives a shit if you're truly 100% original these days. Go shill Dustborn or something because that kind of fits your criteria for original lmao. More like originally shit.
Anonymous No.723116860
>making game with ai assets
>using ai to help program
>using ai to make music
AIbros we are feasting tonight.
Anonymous No.723116931 >>723117132
>>723116589
they don't know this. they think regular daydreaming and thinking of stuff (ofc with no depth of how it would actually work) is work and they think it's something special and not something literally anyone with a functioning imagination does all the time
Anonymous No.723116985 >>723117132
>>723116729
>There are over 10k gameso n steam using AI.
And the only ones that are any good are using it for one off assets like Ready Or Not where it's some images for anime posters no one is going to look very hard at. It's good for that! Sure!
But also that is like 1 percent of the work and if AI weren't available the devs would just throw in some public domain shit they found on google that would be almost as good.
>>723116705
>You can literally make quick portraits and banner art
Sure. Not a particularly time consuming part of game dev though, and this is the kind of thing that actually can be fun to do on your own. Know what isn't fun? Crawling for the right image you can use as a texture. Would fucking love it if AI were any good at that.
>Textures depends
It's bad. I have tried so many different things because it's something that should actually be easy but for whatever reason either the people training it or some weird interface with the original weights it's just always trash at it.
Anonymous No.723117121
>>723116832
>No one gives a shit if you're truly 100% original these days
Your mindset about this is so weird.
"AI has some drawbacks here that seem like design drawbacks and there and is mostly not useful for game dev."
"WOW YOU HATE AI, LUDDITE"
I don't know what to tell you.
Anonymous No.723117132 >>723117184 >>723117318 >>723117513
>>723116931
>>723116589
Post your games and art bro.

>>723116985
>Sure. Not a particularly time consuming part of game dev though
Who gives a shit you dumb faggot? You still save valuable time and money.
>ohhhhhh but it doesn't save ENOUGH time and money
I'm already getting sick of this constant goal post shifting.
Anonymous No.723117184 >>723117314 >>723117483
>>723117132
Do this right now.
>>723115740
Anonymous No.723117314 >>723117379
>>723117184
>work for me
You want them to do that because we all know you can't.
Anonymous No.723117318
>>723117132
>ohhhhhh but it doesn't save ENOUGH time and money
OP is literally asking if he should use AI because he can't art. He has no skills to supplement his AI use.

THE ANSWER IS NO, HE SHOULD NOT EXPECT TO USE AI FOR EVEN A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF HIS ASSETS AND EXPECT GOOD RESULTS.
Anonymous No.723117379 >>723117458 >>723117483
>>723117314
2 minutes to prove a point that you've already spent 30 minutes trying to argue.
Anonymous No.723117446
>>723094098 (OP)
You better not be Cris
Anonymous No.723117458 >>723117536
>>723117379
>WHY ARENT YOU WORKING FOR FREE
lmao pathetic
Anonymous No.723117483 >>723118748
>>723117184
Shoo, beggar. Also here's an example of AI being used in a professional setting. We don't even know what kind of game OP wants to make anyways.

>>723117379
1 hour to post your own art and game btw.
Anonymous No.723117513 >>723117610
>>723117132
guaranteed you are either basically underageb& or brown
Anonymous No.723117536
>>723117458
You're so obstinate.
It's obvious.
If it can't do something this simple, this essential for game dev, it's not going to be good for making game dev assets!
Anonymous No.723117575
>>723094098 (OP)
i want more "ugly" games, actually. go for it, just make sure to make the gameplay fun
Anonymous No.723117610
>>723117513
I'm neither underage or brown. You're probably a mutt and poor though. Fyi even the gooks are getting into AI to speed up the dev process.
Anonymous No.723117832
Jokes on you op, I love drawing sprites and scenes for free, but both devs I worked for in the end either pussied or lazied out and didn't finish their games, so all my efforts went down the drain. I'm sure you will be just the same.
Anonymous No.723118571 >>723118749
>>723107154
>censored name
Lmao. Suzanne Helmigh. Not an AI sludgeoid, I just hate ArtStationcore with every fiber of my being.
Anonymous No.723118748 >>723118949
>>723117483
I didn't knew that was a videogame
Anonymous No.723118749 >>723119264
>>723118571
>I hate art, let me advertise for a literal who artist
why are you like this
Anonymous No.723118865 >>723119098
>>723113946
Concept art is just that, a concept. Sometimes bad AI art reveals flaws in your design. I realized from mine that I needed more unique visual elements to stand out. The AI often produces what I imagine, which makes it useful. Outsourcing to a human is the ideal end goal, but AI is cheap and efficient, and I can request endless new concepts without complaints or cost.
Anonymous No.723118930
>>723107154
See, this is exactly the kind of sloppa I have no problem with AI replacing.
Fucking 2003 Warcraft ass art.
Anonymous No.723118949 >>723119543
>>723118748
It's just one aspect of it. Most of us do AI casually so why can't you just ask the people actually doing game dev with it? Also pretty sure this game uses AI art: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2853590/Void_War/

Also, you gonna post your game and art or what?
Anonymous No.723119098 >>723120030
>>723118865
I assume this is generated with an image input, seems like a good way of exploring ideas for rendering and postprocess options.
What did you use?
Anonymous No.723119264 >>723132378
>>723118749
Commit to shaming the soulless conveyor belt bitch instead of half-assing it as if she's gonna drone strike your mud hut.
Anonymous No.723119392 >>723119906
>>723109292
>350 fucking euros for a 1boy, clothed standing drawing
>cheap
lol I can see why this is something of the past now
Anonymous No.723119543 >>723119875
>>723118949
I'm not the person you're arguing with
Anonymous No.723119570
>>723108804
Those are some pretty reasonable prices for fully rendered pieces anon. Also keep in mind artists with a lot of paypigs will raise their prices to keep the workload reasonable
Anonymous No.723119654 >>723122213
>>723096223
Well yeah there's a reason he only writes now lmao
Anonymous No.723119875 >>723119991
>>723119543
I don't really care, post your art and game. It's literally a drag and drop, easier than figuring out AI and there still hasn't been anything because you retards like to talk big as if you know game dev or making assets for it.

Why the fuck does this retarded question even get asked here, go ask the gook or chink devs that actually use AI for their process. AI has only been a thing for like 3-4 years and it's already better than 99% of Twitter artists.
Anonymous No.723119906
>>723119392
You gotta think about how long it would take them to come up wit the designs(read: photobash from pinterest) and then draw them. It'll usually take at least a few hours to days to do anything and they want to be paid for their work so they can stay alive.
But yeah AI has basically eradicated the need for work like that, if people are still getting paid for art they should thank the wasteful boomers or whoever is employing them because those days are numbered.
Some other art industries are already extinct.
Anonymous No.723119991 >>723120439
>>723119875
You seem upset
Anonymous No.723120030 >>723120146
>>723119098
Just Chatgpt.
I first asked for five indie-friendly art style ideas that embrace intentional jank, soulful imperfection, and budget constraints, while still standing out from AI-slop or AAA mimicry for an image I had shared.

Then I asked it to describe each of those styles as image prompts, i.e. β€œgive this image X look.”

It responded with descriptions like:

"Give this image a PS1 low-poly horror aesthetic. Use crunchy textures, visible polygons, and jittery animations. Lighting should be moody, fog-heavy, and slightly color-banded, evoking Silent Hill or Morrowind on old hardware. The monsters should look angular and rough, with flickering shadows. Add subtle VHS or dithering filters to create a nostalgic, grimy sense of early 3D realism."

So basically, I ended up running the same image through various visual interpretations like an early 2010s PC game, a dark fantasy action-RPG from the early 2000s, or something you’d see on the original Xbox or PS2 to test different visual styles.It was a very iterative process, didn't generate multiple images at once. Didn't really like any but gave me some ideas to chew on.
Anonymous No.723120146 >>723120282
>>723120030
Oh okay, it must have improved, the last time I tried to do something like this it would end up generating stuff that looked nothing like the original image I sent it.
Cheers.
Anonymous No.723120282
>>723120146
Yeah you gotta be ultra specific with it and even then it'll probably mess it up lol
Anonymous No.723120405
my game has ai art, ai music, and ai debugging.
Anonymous No.723120428
art being shit aint that big of a deal but worse than that is probably the fact that i don't enjoy doing it that much, I always look at it like a hurdle that you gotta go trough, but that being said you can force yourself to go through with it

id rather do this shit that i hate than trust AI with anything in its current state though
Anonymous No.723120439 >>723120587
>>723119991
I'm mostly just confused and also bored. I've been enjoying AI privately for a bit now but everytime I see anything AI trending because normies are having fun you see a wave of artists and their obedient goys seethe. Then you see the same artists get into the figure AI shit and it's like what was the point.
Anonymous No.723120587 >>723121004
>>723120439
Stop venting
Anonymous No.723120792 >>723122243
>>723097038
>but how can I make shekels off this passion project...
post hat
Anonymous No.723121004 >>723121097 >>723121352
>>723120587
No lmao. I've literally been here from the start to see the goalpost constantly shift from like "haha AI can't do hands and eyes" to "WHY CANT IT MAKE ORIGINAL SHIT THEREFORE IT'S BAD" in just a few years. Bare minimum AI is a fun tool to fiddle with but artists are mostly retards so go figure.
Anonymous No.723121097 >>723121253
>>723121004
don't care
Anonymous No.723121253 >>723121373
>>723121097
I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.723121352 >>723121469 >>723121737
>>723121004
That image is hilarious
Anonymous No.723121373
>>723121253
I'm not even arguing with you
Anonymous No.723121469 >>723121601
>>723121352
100% of the time you see someone seething about AI art it's one of those faggots.
>brown
>furry
>gay
EVERY
SINGLE
TIME
Anonymous No.723121601
>>723121469
They are just mad they can't rip boomers off on Fiverr and Upwork anymore
Anonymous No.723121683
>>723094098 (OP)
don't worry about the art. you can always change it later. just get the mechanics and the loop down.
Anonymous No.723121737 >>723121938 >>723122263
>>723121352
I haven't really updated my artist seethe folder recently because it's literally just the same shit ad nauseam but it's pretty true that it's usually some gay furfag or a brown weeb seething at it.
Anonymous No.723121908
>>723097849
for a game, it's more important that it's fun to play. the art can be changed later. making a solid game that works and is fun to play is what should be down first. after you can focus on art and/or get help with it.
Anonymous No.723121938 >>723122060
>>723121737
We need some artist seethe threads but not sure what board would allow them
Anonymous No.723122005
>>723098543
this. also it's a game, not a painting. better to have a game that works and uses default assets then to have the art but no game.
Anonymous No.723122042 >>723122817 >>723130945 >>723145540
>>723094098 (OP)
Just learn to draw. Thats ehat I'm doing, pic rel
Anonymous No.723122060 >>723122263
>>723121938
bro you're in one and there have been several today, at least 3 are alive right now
the drawfag board is eternally fuming at AI too
Anonymous No.723122213
>>723119654
Are you saying you can't appreciate the attention to detail Nanjo's lethal waist got?
Anonymous No.723122243
>>723120792
>>but how can I make shekels off this passion project...
>passion project
>cant even work up the passion to make it yourself
lmao
Anonymous No.723122263 >>723122465
>>723121737
>>723122060
Are you guy posting same images in every ai thread?
Anonymous No.723122465
>>723122263
no saar hello saar also that's a different anon you're replying to.
Anonymous No.723122706 >>723122815
>>723094098 (OP)
If you use Ai your game will be worth $0.
Using Ai is fine, but nobody that uses Ai should expect money.
Your assets were free, why should anybody pay for Ai stuff? Ai is free.
Anonymous No.723122815
>>723122706
>should
Remove that word from your vocabulary
Anonymous No.723122817
>>723122042
>13
A man of fine quality, respect. Fuck furry pussy.
Anonymous No.723122898 >>723124762
>>723094098 (OP)
>be artist
>want to make a porn game for my niche fetish
>don't know how 2 program
Anonymous No.723123057
>>723102587
xrp chad....I kneel
Anonymous No.723123116 >>723123189 >>723123743
>>723094098 (OP)
Bruh you can find (good) poorfag artists with sub-100 followers on Shitter who would willingly lick your bumhole for free just for more exposure.
Anonymous No.723123189
>>723123116
>game gets successful
>poorfag artist starts asking for more money and credit
no thanks. artists did this to themselves btw.
Anonymous No.723123268 >>723123473
>5 years since Ai
>still every single new successful indie game is made by real artists
Where Ai game?
Anonymous No.723123436
>>723094098 (OP)
just because you "want to create games" doesn't mean that you should, especially if you think qaurtiary shit like graphics matters in the fucking slightest, it shows two things about you 1.) that you don't even fucking know what videogames are fucking even about (which is GAMEPLAY YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER) and 2.) that you aren't ever going to be creating any new or enjoyable gameplay in the first place anywags, so there's no fucking point in you bothering to begin with
spend your time jacking off to art instead, since that's all your retard niggerbrain cares about and it would be far more productive for you because you would at least be accomplishing /SOMETHING/ as opposed to never finishing your non-"game" at best, and at worst you put out a bland pile of shit that no one cares about, or if you're really shit you could be putting out the next yiik or commie elysium
Anonymous No.723123473
>>723123268
>>5 years since Ai
3
Anonymous No.723123743
>>723123116
>temmie chang tongueing toby fox's anus for free just for more exposure
Anonymous No.723124382
>>723114297
>knows what loras are
>cant figure out how to download a lora specifically for textures

user error. you are retarded
Anonymous No.723124464 >>723124863
>>723094098 (OP)
use ai and then trace over it so it doesnt look like ai
dont know why more people dont do this desu
Anonymous No.723124493 >>723124808 >>723140978
>wants to create games
>can't program and code for shit
>also can't draw for shit either
>can't make music too
>oh and can't write as well
>don't forget lack of talent for coming up with fun gameplay loops

Wut do?
Anonymous No.723124642
>>723095305
Goddess of Victory Nikke.
Anonymous No.723124762
>>723122898
retvrn
Anonymous No.723124808
>>723124493
>>wants to create games
>>can't program and code for shit
>>also can't draw for shit either
>>can't make music too
>>oh and can't write as well
>>don't forget lack of talent for coming up with fun gameplay loops
use ai
Anonymous No.723124863 >>723125128
>>723124464
Because it's still obvious, and because you lack the foundation to make actual artistic decisions, it won't look anywhere near as good as it otherwise might.
Anonymous No.723125128
>>723124863
you retards can't tell
Anonymous No.723125490
>>723094098 (OP)
Yes, you should. But learn about composition.
Anonymous No.723125654
art means nothing just make cool mechanics and some movement tech and use placeholders. if you can make it fun with that then you're golden with designing things.
Anonymous No.723125767 >>723126414
>>723094098 (OP)
>artstyle is unironically shit
That didn't stop Undertale from being a hit.
Anonymous No.723126414 >>723131614
>>723125767
Undertale's artsyle is unironically good. What are you yapping about?
Anonymous No.723126903
maybe in 4 or 5 years AI use will be fully normalized but right now people can still smell it a mile away and you'll spend more time trying to fight the battle of your game being accepted for using AI than you saved by using it to begin with
Anonymous No.723127359
>>723094098 (OP)
AI could only get you so far, and people can tell it right away. You're risking your public image getting tarnished
Anonymous No.723127558
>>723094098 (OP)
You're better off just making something that looks shit that you slowly improve than repulsive (or worse, generic) AIslop. Many successful indie titles and doujin VNs have really badly drawn characters.
Anonymous No.723127801
>>723098645
Where did you get the retarded impression that things are supposed to be fast/easy? Literally everything is a fucking skill. And skills take time to learn and master.
Quit being a lazy, whiny retard. Quit trying to bait people into just telling you what you want to hear. Grow up and grasp adulthood.
Anonymous No.723127947
>>723094098 (OP)
use ai there is literaly nothing qrong with it if anyone seethes lmao at them and maybe tip 15%
Anonymous No.723128612
a lot of failed artists getting upitty ITT
just let OP use it for concept art so he can send it to real artist to do the real art that you're seething about
Anonymous No.723128785
>>723094098 (OP)
Yeah, you should AI why not? As long as you are okay with saying you used AI who cares. AI is a legit good tool if you know how to use it and how to use it to its advantages, the whole "AI slop is boring" is coming out of people who are jaded because their favorite website is being flooded with it. But you can actually put some effort you will find that it's a skill much like the others ones that take just as long to do the right way
Anonymous No.723128876
>>723094098 (OP)
>noooo my art is shit
look at cruelty squad, etc
just be urself
Anonymous No.723130269 >>723131210 >>723144067
AI is no good for art because fundamentally its a matter of subjectivity. If you envision, say, a red car in your mind's eye, you can meticulously describe it through text, or make it pixel by pixel with your hands, but with an AI, all you can ever get is a generated approximation. It isn't really your vision, you just played AI gacha until it was close enough that you stopped caring. Even technically competent art is the AI's "vision", not yours, because objective things are filtered through the subjective lens of our perception, and it is our attempt to manifest and share how we see the world that art is communication.

I've seen people call AI the "midwit machine", and I agree, it is the averaged out capability of a mediocre creator. Its art will always be bland, its prose will always be mid, and the less of that it is, the more it is clearly aping the style of a particularly good individual or small group, which certainly isn't something you can take credit for.

Mid art is forgettable, mid prose is a slog. Never use AI for anything like that.

BUT

Mediocre code RUNS

I have hand-drawn every asset of my game and hand-written every line of dialogue. The gameplay loop and the balancing and all that is similarly my own design? But the code? The little machine that executes an objectively verifiable process, one whose output would be identical if created by a human? All AI, and it works.

That's what it should be used for if you want to keep the soul of your work, stuff which it can't have creative input in, the tedious busywork of making the creative stuff dance for you in the exact way you wish it. Unlike the art gacha, you can iterate code (at least with gemini pro, which I use) and correct the AI when it slips up. No one is going to care if your code is sub par except for a handful of technical autists, just don't pull a Piratesoftware and call yourself a genius for doing it.
Anonymous No.723130342 >>723131872
>>723094098 (OP)
What's the game? I can do the artwork.
Anonymous No.723130454
find a friend who draws
Anonymous No.723130539
>>723094098 (OP)
Just price appropriately
Anonymous No.723130945
>>723122042
My glorious king
Anonymous No.723131210 >>723131354 >>723133726
>>723130269
you've never drawn anything in your life
Anonymous No.723131354 >>723131664 >>723131692
>>723131210
wrong, I made this cool minotaur.
Anonymous No.723131614
>>723126414
This is bait
Anonymous No.723131664
>>723131354
that's cool
Anonymous No.723131692 >>723131745 >>723131936
>>723131354
There's nothing cool about it. I thought you wanted to make a cool minotaur? Could it be drawing is exactly the same as AI?
> It isn't really your vision, you just played AI gacha until it was close enough that you stopped caring.
> It isn't really your vision, you just scribbled until it was close enough that you stopped caring.
Welcome to art.
Anonymous No.723131745
>>723131692
what do you mean? that's a pretty cool minotaur
Anonymous No.723131872
>>723130342
I'm not lying anon, give me something to draw
Anonymous No.723131936 >>723132073 >>723144067
>>723131692
Its cool to me. I put the effort in and discovered the idea as I went, refining it into something that reflected the idea in my head that changed even as I put new pixels in. The creative journey is as important a part of the process as the end result. Even if its a shitty end state, it is MY shitty end state, the product of my own effort and the idea I wanted to show to an audience. If I told the AI to generate a minotaur, it would certainly do that, but it wouldn't be MY minotaur, MY idea, and if it isn't mine, then there's no point.

But if I wanted to make this minotaur move a pixel to the left or right when you press a key, then that's an objective, measurable truth. No matter if a human or an AI does it, the end result is identical. The minotaur moves one pixel. No subjectivity, no self-expression, just verifiable logic. There is no point to the journey save for discovering a more efficient means to produce the objective output, and if the AI has already found that, you don't need to waste time yourself.
Anonymous No.723132025
>>723102016
thanks for conceding that you are a worthless parasite cretin
Anonymous No.723132073 >>723132209 >>723132583
>>723131936
>Its cool to me
And literally everyone with a grain of honestly disagrees with you and thinks even shitty AI art eclipses it. You're retarded and can't draw.
Anonymous No.723132093
I drew because I wanted to since I was very young, til maybe 18ish. I think I stopped after failing college and getting a wageslave job. That was almost 20 years ago. The end.
Anonymous No.723132209
>>723132073
>And literally everyone
but I thought it was a cool minotaur so that's not right
Anonymous No.723132378
>>723119264
I like your style.
Anonymous No.723132493
>b-b-b-b-but my artstyle is shit
>that means ill just make zero games!!!

the sooner you admit youre an obnoxious tranny faggot with anxiety

the sooner youll achieve success as a developer
Anonymous No.723132583 >>723132658
>>723132073
But at the end of the day it is still mine, and a testament of my own self-expression to the world. Which is what appeals to so many about art. Liking it for just the technical fidelity is the same as jangling keys in front of a baby. Art is a language by which humans communicate. Ceding that to an AI removes yourself from the conversation in favor of logarithmic babble. At best you approximate what you're trying to say, never quite getting to a perfect expression of yourself. Even the shittiest art made by hand has more to say than that. It's my subjective truth, the product of my unique experiences as a living being, which is what I find interesting about the art of others, and why AI art is so uninteresting as a result.

Which, for those others listening, differentiates it from objective truth (disregarding any descartian demon fuckery) such as 2+2=4. Assuming you have the knowledge to determine if the output is correct, using AIs to create things pertaining to universal truth, that is objectively verifiable outputs which would be identical whether made by man or machine, is perfectly fine to me. Again, code is great for this.

The supreme irony of this AI hype train is that everyone is thinking AI will replace artists, when it will really, assuming it manages to continue to improve, replace everyone who deals in objective truths, like math, code, etc. Subjective experience is the one area it will never be able to truly reach, no matter how much it tries.
Anonymous No.723132658 >>723132892
>>723132583
This guy literally licks his own turds and is proud of it. That's the extend of his cognition as we've seen a clear example of his taste.
Anonymous No.723132892 >>723133260
>>723132658
esl detected, this is making a lot more sense now
Anonymous No.723132905
>>723094098 (OP)
You can use AI but you need to not be a retard and make it develop something that looks unique. It still probably won't do well because the AI autism is still in full swing but it'll be an important skillset within the next decade or two.

Your game being visually striking is the single most important thing in selling a game. If you're not creating it to make money, who cares, use AI.
Anonymous No.723133260
>>723132892
The sad part is that you think you're speaking English.
Anonymous No.723133726 >>723136124 >>723140878 >>723141510
>>723131210
this is the last thing I drew.
Anonymous No.723136124 >>723139719
>>723133726
did you have fun?
Anonymous No.723136338
Bump
Anonymous No.723136667
>>723109807
>can actually all be attained just as quickly if not faster by studying independently
Maybe if you're a one in a hundred million genius. However, most of mankind can't even make a game without education, never mind art
Anonymous No.723139301
>>723094098 (OP)
/ic/anon looking to draw
Anonymous No.723139719 >>723140540
>>723136124
yes
Anonymous No.723139872
>>723097320
QRD?
Anonymous No.723140540
>>723139719
>yes
Good
Anonymous No.723140878 >>723141349 >>723141510
>>723133726
Can I see more? Cool shit.
Anonymous No.723140978
>>723124493
You think people that make games were born talented??? Get to work you lazy mf
Anonymous No.723141349 >>723141510
>>723140878
Anonymous No.723141510
>>723141349
>>723133726
>>723140878
>these are the kinds of losers that seethe about AI 24/7
actually disgusting wastes of air
Anonymous No.723141964
>>723094098 (OP)
Just make the game and polish its appearance later. Give up after you have finished the gameplay, then save up for an artist.

LLM should be used a tool, not an employee.
Anonymous No.723143847
>>723094937
You're a retard
Go back to watching Marvel movies
Anonymous No.723144067
>>723131936
>>723130269
good post
Anonymous No.723145334
>>723094098 (OP)
just do it anyways
>>723130459
Anonymous No.723145427
>>723114615
post yours
Anonymous No.723145540
>>723122042
>humans can get pregnant from age 13 onwards
thatΒ΄s not a human though? that rat is actually a post menopause hag lol
Anonymous No.723146125
>>723097863
why is the greatsword so smol