Thread 723095912

NOOOOOOOOO!!!

final fantasies have always been sissycoded

>>723095912 (OP)
agrias owes me reluctant uncomfortable sex

>>723095912 (OP)
Why is your screenshot so fucking dark?

>>723095912 (OP)
Gafgarion is right though, as a woman agrias has worse physical attack scaling than males, and she'll never be able to get move+3 like males do in this version of the game.

>>723096789
It's nighttime

Teleport height restriction nerf is debunked right?

>>723095912 (OP)
Dragon Quest and Phantasy Star chads:

>>723097882
>May fail when attempting to travel to locations that exceed the unit's movement and jump attributes.
This is apparently a translation error. Teleport works like it always has, with Ignore Height built in.
Which it better, if it's gonna cost 3000 JP now.

This is new dialog that wasn't in the original. Every dialog about Agrias being raised as a man is also new.

>>723098467
Yeah I figured it was retards that never bother to test things. Thanks.

>>723098532
I hate modern sensibilities so fucking much it's unreal.

>>723098467
>f it's gonna cost 3000 JP now
What the fuck? That's completely fucking retarded.

>>723095912 (OP)
These are meme posts, right? Chuds aren't actually this fragile?

>>723097072
On top of that her holy knight class is nerfed in starting stats compared to the other guest characters with similar jobs. I guess since you get her so early they didn't want her to be a crutch like Orlando ends up being later on.

>>723098846
Chudlarping is the low-hanging fruit of modern shitposting.
We can acknowledge that the new dialogue is shitty writing without pretending that FFT is "woke slop" now.

>>723098846
No one cares about feminist posturing so long as they aren't tearing someone else to build themselves up. Her role is necessary since female royalty are always surrounded by female attendants to maintain optics.

>>723099229
The whole exchange could be word for word from the feminist handbook. Portraying Gaffgarion as an old out of touch(white) man. Agrias a strong woman raised as a man who represents all his fears…

>>723099229
The new dialogue is fine in the context of the setting, Tietra and Alma being enrolled in school rather than trained as knights due to being female is already an established plot element

I forgot how annoying it was to jp farm on unique jobs because they don't have access to squire and focus like generics. I've had to give them item and a target to use potions on instead.

>>723099297
NTA but I agree. She has a similar dialogue here and it's not bad at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcVVGutSZkk

The Gaffgarion one is hamfisted

Bump

>>723099367
The point is that nobody made much of a fuss about Agrias' gender until this remaster. It doesn't elevate her character or offer up any insights, and the actual dialogue with Gaf makes both of them only more unlikeable. It would be cool if they just left it at the tidbit about her being raised as a man instead of her brother but they went all in.

how do I get enough jump for nelveska? I forget. I know the standing on a dragon or whatever but what else do I need?

Do I need to know how to use a specific potion for auto potion to work? Grinding Agrias as Chemist right now, dunno if I need to also grind up the JP for X-potion

>>723099435
take their weapons and have them slap each other around while the rest of your party wipes the encounter

>>723100053
It's piss easy in this remaster because of chemist's innate treasure hunt. Just get teleport or fly or ignore height instead of messing with big allies.

>>723100061
No

>>723100052
>The point is that nobody made much of a fuss about Agrias' gender until this remaster

Yeah no shit Agrias outright doesn't talk anymore once she joins your party properly and has barely any dialogue outside it

>>723100061
No auto potion will just use whatever is available regardless if you know the skill or not

>>723100145
>>723100165
great, a bit less grinding for me then. thanks

>>723100053
Chemists have innate Treasure Hunter now, so you could just put Ignore Height on a chemist and it will still work. Other than that, a dragon or Worker 8 should be enough for a unit with high jump, or maybe Germinas Boots.

>>723100152
A bad addition is a bad addition. Her dialogue with Wiegraf is way better.

>>723100290
>It's a bad addition because I associate it with modern political propaganda even though this is obviously a medieval European setting with prior examples of women being treated as women

>>723099367
Yeah, there's a weird combination of medieval expectations in political life (Alma and Ovelia being raised at a monastery) and a free-for-all when it comes to the battlefield (Mileuda, Agrias, Meliadoul, Rapha, Reis, countless generics). Hell, even in this very encounter at Lionel where Gaffy taunts Agrias for being a lady knight, he has female soldiers on the other side of the gate. It just feels like it's asking us to ignore the inconsistency for the sake of an in-your-face dialogue.

>>723100356
But female warriors are not strange in this setting? The academy readily accepts them.

>>723100356
It's a bad addition because it makes both of them appear stupid and arguing about idiotic things. Get out of your ass about your delusion that everyone not liking something is an enemy in bad faith arguing politics.

>>723100356
There are generic female units in your party. There are generic female units in cutscenes. You fight generic female units as enemies. There are women in every armies in the game. There are women as veterans. There are women in Gaffgarion's team when he fights you.

>>723100506
There is a distinction between those associated with noble houses and commoners with no connections. But the dialogue is legit idiotic because Agrias references female sellswords.

>>723100558
only for commoners, most if not all noble women are treated as ladies in the game. Agrias is the outlier as far as I can remember.

>>723098846
If simply stating your disagreement is fragile then you're just as fragile as OP for replying to his thread.

Cutest generics?

I nominate Geochan and Samchan.

>>723100053
4 jump attribute + a large unit is enough to walk up there, so just slap any +1 boots on a chemist. You want the chemist to also have the treasure hunter skill active even though it's redundant as it drastically increases the chance for rare items. I did nelveska on a max bravery chemist and had barely any issues grabbing all 4 of the rare items there.

>>723100783
I like Geo, White/Black Mage and Ninja.

>>723098846
>wear sombrero once
>REEEE that's cultural appropriation you racist bigot, this is literal genocide you evil monster, stop raping women
>desecrate existing media to fit current leftist narrative in all things
>why are you upset?
Fucking kill all leftists and their enablers

>>723100783
Monk > Geo > W.mage = Mystic > Orator > Chemist = Knight

>>723100939
the only thing you can kill is a box of donuts, relax bozo

>>723101029
Stop being so fragile

>>723101089
says the man crying about hats and wanting to murder people over it

>>723101149
>this level of defensiveness and disingenuousness

>>723099229
>>723098532
>>723098657
Read Agrias backstory and play game, even fucking Gafgarion expleins what he meant later in dialogue

>>723096789
He took the screenshot in a dark room duh lol

>>723097415
Even the UI, though?

>chemists can't wear robes
fuck man this blows ass, I want to be able to throw items, shoot guns and cast spells all on one unit but the lack of MP is really killing me. Was gonna run mystic/oracle as my secondary ability but at level 19 with a hat that boosts MP I'm only at 47.

>>723095912 (OP)
This makes Agrias look like such a fool. Thanks SquareEnix, I hate it.

Feminists actually believing men are intimidated by them is crazy delusional. Men made society so safe that women have seemingly forgotten who the dominant sex is.

I can't believe even FFT isn't immune to "modern audiencing". When did Japan become woketarded? Or is this just a localization?

Are monster units good yet

>>723101364
Yes, you can't hear people that well in the dark

>>723101396
Orator with Throw item?

>>723101525
Monsters are cool and that's what counts

>>723095912 (OP)
Mistranslation?

so I just bought this and have no desire to grind

how long can I play before getting a trainer is necessary

>>723101625
they can wear robes but my second ability would have to be item, rendering the MP boost I would get from wearing robes pointless. I could just learn some speechcraft ailments but IIRC they're less likely to hit than the spell version of those ailments.

>>723101790
The entire game.

>>723096789
Dark Fantasy game

>>723101794
I thought you wanted Orator as a secondary anyway. You can just forget about robes and get something like Manafont to free the build.

Agrias stoically not responding to Gaff's insult is way cooler than responding by calling him afraid of a strong woman. Or afraid of anything for that matter. Accusations of insecurity never make a character look cool because they can be said about anyone for anything, it's not a substantial insult, it doesn require any receipt, it's never based on reality. It's just making up something about someone you don't like.

"You don't like X? It's actually because you're afraid of X"
"You like Y? It's actually because you're afraid of the opposite of Y"

Retarded

>>723098859
But she was never a crutch

>>723101934
Oh true I hadn't even considered manafont, good looks anon I'll do exactly that

>>723101674
"Mistranslation" implies they made an honest mistake. This shit is always deliberate. Only evil retards who think they are righteous and superior put stupid shit like this into videogames and ignore the author's intent.
Not saying Matsuno didn't write this. He may have, I don't know.

>>723100356
I'd be hesitant to call it woke since there's no real definition, but it's close. It was really out of place and weird.

Check out how the faggots on Reddit react to this kind of writing. There was topic about this very dialogue and the highest upvoted comment was a fucking tranny lmao.

Also, TO:Reborn is the premiere game now. FFT screwed the pooch despite the (mostly) wonderful voice acting and QOL features. Fucking Marach sounding like Puss n Boots was crazy.

>TO:R didn't cut content
>TO:R actually has end game content, not a laugable 10 stage dungeon
>Can toggle all AI on/off
>Can toggle speed up, no holding
>combat doesn't get stuck on treasure pick up / poaching
>auto loot of treasure after combat
>FFT didn't change the shitty breeding mechanics, i.e. only quick dismiss and no toggle to shut it off
>FFT late game characters still blow, though Cloud was a step in the right direction, unsure why they couldn't have more than just basic classes unlocked
>Tactician diffulcty was just a lazy numbers change
>FFT didn't do any rearrangements for the music

I might have missed something.

>>723100356
So why was it added, anon?

>>723100564
>it makes both of them appear stupid and arguing about idiotic things
the literal first scene in the game is both of them bickering at each other because gaffgarion is an asshole

>>723102020
Yeah and clothes are not terrible for MP. There are some choices later on like Gaia Gear, Wizard Clothing or the mighty Rubber Suit

>>723102123
> combat doesn't get stuck on treasure pick up / poaching
Yes I sure love abusing the chariot system a million times for drops. So much better. Also cloud and Beowulf are better than Cid in tactician

>>723102271
The first scene is obviously gonna establish characters as rude, faithful etc. Bashing you over the head with it by arguing gender is lame. Those two were always meant to bicker about loyalty to an oath vs loyalty to coin.

I am amazed that Matsuno has been able to just coast on his reputation for nearly 30 years.

Show me one person on planet Earth that actually uses Meliadoul.

>>723100052
Glad I didn't play yet another demake from slopenix

>>723102563
I used her the one time I played WotL
Breaking weapons while also doing chip damage is ok against the bosses you face at the very end

>>723102123
>TO:R didn't cut content
Rogue?

>>723102784
We don't talk about that or the random encounters.
But I agree with his comparison to IC, even if I hate Reborn.

>>723102784
>he thinks a gish gallop poster gives a hoot about accuracy

NotMyAgrias
https://youtu.be/u_VBU4y2C4M

It's all so tiresome, the reversal of the cliched woman in a medieval setting is more played out than the original ever was. You can almost see the thought process of the trannylators:

"Hmm, a woman in a historic setting? We have to make it so she had to crossdress to gain any respect even though the original setting already allowed for female knights. Oh, and she should totally tell weak men how scared and intimidated they are of strong women."

>>723103043
shiett...

In many ways Agrias now remind me of a recent drama I watched!
https://mydramalist.com/754387-legend-of-the-female-general

She too was raised as a male! She also lectures about women equality!

>>723102563
Cleared with her. She's pretty good if you're not comparing her to teleport chaos blade/excal ramza

For how long will we get daily threads about this instead of actually talking about the game?

>>723103067
Exactly. It's only been 10 year of this retarded shit, but it feels like an eternity. It feels like it will never end, either. I'm so sick of it.

>>723103259
The next remaster that has something similar. I’ll move on to that. Fortunately Lunar was spared.

>>723102123
>>723101264
there is no woke he is mocking Agrias's choices according to her backstory, play game instead of analyzing one sentence taken from context

>>723103259
This *is* the thread for talking about the game. The OP is just bait to start arguments in the comments to keep the thread bumped. Ingenious, really.

>>723103259
This is literally the first thread about this. Yesterday's thread was talking about the game, as were all the threads for weeks before that. This image was only posted in the last thread, yesterday.

>>723103259
We already played the real game 20 years ago

>>723103425
Yeah I only got to the Lionel fight yesterday. I’ve been slow.

>>723100939
Sugoi strawman, dimwit-kun.

>>723103432
Which is why we know TIC is superior in nearly every way

>>723100052
No? Agrias losing her brother and being raised as a man is a pretty damned big detail because it establishes that she's yet another of the many brother-sister pairs in the game, and she chooses to follow Ramza. This also parallels her with Meliadoul who joins Ramza because of Isilud's death.

>>723103667
Did you not read my post or something?

>>723103667
A major difference being that Izlude is an actual character, and the existence of Agrias's brother is confined to one line of dialogue, which you could easily miss if you don't bring her to the fight. So you're overselling it a bit. It might be thematically interesting if they actually went somewhere with it, though.

>>723104009
>if they actually went somewhere with it, though.
nta but I've seen this buzzword criticism a lot, it's cool because you can just tack it on to ANY theme in any game and it'll work.

I didn't even know Agrias had a brother!

Reminder that the remaster redrew the sprites and STILL put a filter over them

Will we ever get another matsuno kino?

>>723104123
anyone manage to port the ios sprites yet?

>>723104250
>>723100432
Bro you've been spamming this AIslop for MONTHS and nobody has given a shit. Please stop

>>723104130
Not from Squeenix.

>>723104395
I like it

>>723104395
>what being a bigot does to your brain
That isn't AI you colossal retard.

>>723104510
>posts real art to deflect
lol

>>723104410
In the end, delita didn't suffer enough

>>723104603
You're an impressively stupid person.

>>723104301
haven't seen it

>>723104734
Cid in FFTA was the coolest shit
>can cast stop on that asshole judge who's been harassing you the entire game

>>723105126
fuck those judges
>watch them give two yellow cards to a boss

>>723104250
>>723100432
Disregard the ludite >>723104395 and post MOAR curated AI gems

>>723104301
theres a texture pack on the hacktics discord, though the sprites used in TIC are a redraw of the mobile sprites.

>>723105456
oh nice it came out today
https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasytacticstheivalicechronicles/mods/14

>>723104130
Matsuno is only good at world building. Keep him away from anything involving character interactions

Do I need to fork my save before entering mullonde for the last stretch of the game? I can't recall if it brings you back to the world map after the last boss.

>>723105947
In the original it does not so I'd fork

Did they fix Rapha or Cloud?

>>723105947
Orbonne is the point of no return, completing Mullonde will take you back to the map

>>723106142
No, yes

>>723106142
rapha was already fixed in the psp version i think

>>723106326
huh what was wrong with rapha?

>>723106393
Used goods.

>>723105947
Ivalice Chronicles returns you to the world map after you beat the game, but puts you back at the levels you were before entering Orbonne, so it's functionally the same as making a save before the final gauntlet, except they give you a star for completed game files.

>>723106326
She's better but not fixed

>>723103667
eh, I don't think it's a good change but it's also not a big deal, the setting was obviously kind of using erratic rules for female characters so doing it one more time for on Agrias scene doesn't matter

>>723106142
Cloud yes. Limit is one of the best skill sets on tactician.

>>723106845
what's the inflict rate of finishing touch, just 100% period?

I did this fight with Agrias but never saw this dialog. Instead my Wiegraf accepted his fate, saying that he always had a soft spot for Ramza.

>>723107168
Yup

>>723107168
Yeah, unless the target is straight up immune to KO, Stop, and Petrify.

How much worse at status effects are oracles than beowulf? Is it like 20% or just completely night and day, I don't remember. I know my black mages with arithmetics could get don't act to almost always stick on everything but they were maxed out.

>>723103628
>it's a strawman and not literal reality
underage or just retarded?

>>723107187
I think the dialogue is bugged in some of the fights. One Anon was saying yesterday that Gaffy didn't teleport out after getting knocked out at the execution site battle, got revived, said some lines, and THEN teleported.

>>723106437
Is it clearer in any other translation what actually happened here?
She makes it sound like rape when you meet her, but then admits she was (like her brother) infatuated with the duke and thought he could do no wrong for years. Sounds like a proper woman moment.

Are Parry or Reflexes/Abandon good? I don't want to use the boring samurai defense anymore.

>>723107579
oracle disable is 185, beowulf disable is 200, so it's only slightly worse in practice and often 100% either way
but beowulf petrify is 180 while oracle petrify is only 120 and will never be reliable

Practically don't act is as good as dead, but it drags the fight out.

>>723108080
Abandon is sleeper you basically can't get hit if you have a shield+cloak

>>723107579
Night and day. They cost less MP, cast instantly and are usually more accurate to the equivalent of 20 - 60 extra MA.

>>723108080
Parry no. Reflexes is dumb. It also stacks with Evasive Stance for x4 Evasion.

>>723095912 (OP)
FF Tactics has always been dogshit

>>723108715
The quintessential /v/ bump-bait post

>>723104485
based

>>723108080
I like not grinding and mediator recruiting a ninja on the way to riovanes and giving them a featherweave cloak + reflexes + brawler is just about the most instantly overpowered thing you can get out of a generic

>>723108781
realistically what can we say about the game that hasn't been said 1000 times before?

>>723095912 (OP)
Gafgarion wasn't "sexist" its pretty obvious given his dialog in the game that he was just saying that shit to get under her skin when she was fighting against him and it worked. He doesn't show any indication of similar thoughts in any other situation

>>723109141
Idk, I'm only here for small discoveries

>>723107579
There is technically something Beowulf cannot do that Mystics can. They can target themselves with their spells. That means that things like Belief/Disbelief and even Delirium or Corruption can be used for weird shenanigans.

>>723095912 (OP)
Impressive. Now lets see the original Japanese line

>>723105456
>>723105671
that's enough to make an old man cry
thanks anon

wtf bracers are 50k gil?

>>723095912 (OP)
whats the real line? PSX translation only

>>723109804
SE is so lazy. 7 GB game but the game having an option from which spritesheet to read is too much.
Things like this should be a setting for Ajora's sake.
https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasytacticstheivalicechronicles/mods/13

>>723108654
so if i have a featherweave cloak does reflexes double the evasion on it?

>>723109763
d-don't you dare! this is the definitive english script!
fucking hate square enix.

I didn't realize some of the additional mobs in story battles could level with you even if the main participants don't. The ultima demons in the zalbaag fight were all 80+ like me and their almagest almost hit for 999.

>Try using Beowulf after an anon insisted he's not trash
>He cant use the best reaction skill, mana shield, because of his high MP costs
>He does fuckall damage
>Go for petrify... but enemies such as chocobos can cure it
>If petrify misses he effectively does nothing for a turn
He's a Mustadio upgrade but otherwise is ass

>>723109982
Yes. And every multiplier stacks to double, quadruple or octuple etc.

>>723110057
Almagest is fixed damage

>>723109887
that line isn't in the PSX version so it's gay fan fiction basically

>>723106596
do items get rolled back too? Well even if it's just levels, I guess i should finish up first and then go to midlight's deep instead of the other way around then.

>>723110339
Matsuno wrote the new stuff for the re-release tho

>>723110087
Beowul also get better stats than mustadio

>>723109763
It's the same, if VA is not doing its own thing (it doesn't)
https://youtu.be/kAuRQjQc9UM?list=PL0w8Te9HdCC6S3IW9bQLycAQabLJZrNYi&t=769

Why would anyone use any of the black mage rods that aren't wizard rod? Nothing they do uses weapon damage nor are they gonna be meleeing people with it either, and wizard rod is the only one that actually buffs MA.

>>723110839
You wouldn't

>>723110839
Elemental rods can be niche

>>723110674
i really like the voice acting here

>>723110839
Boosting elemental damage before you get 108 Beads?

>>723111029
I like JP more myself too

>>723110839
Bro...
>Rod of Faith

>>723110127
my reflex ninja ramza just evaded all attacks in yuguowoods haha

>>723100783
geo and it isnt even close

>>723100750
I wonder if the fact that there was a war for fifty years is what led to the conscription of women also.

>>723111260
>women getting naturally selected for once
Is that why generics are so cute?

>>723110087
All his sword skills have range, why do you need him to have mana shield? He shouldn't be tanking hits.
>fuckall damage
Petrify is basically a KO (no, black chocobos having choco esuna is not a counterargument) and Drain is one of the best ways to take Zodiac bosses' HP down. Granted, he's no Orlandu, but being a nuker is not Beowulf's role.
>if petrify misses
bro...your faith? your compatibility?
>just use Chirijiraden to kill some chocobos lmao
Masterful bait. Better have that autosave ready!

>>723110478
it's been 20 years. to use another example, everything akira toriyama wrote after dragonball (original) ended was fanfiction tier. he even forgot some characters existed. matsuno probably did as well, and even if he didn't, he's still a completely different person now. another good example is evangelion

all these modern remakes and sequels done decades later are fanfiction

>>723111727
you don't even need to understand how the zodiac system works anymore, because the game just tells you. and you can take back moves if it turns out you want to try something else. most people just played the game without ever worrying about it anyway.

Byblos my love I'm coming

>>723112229
Plus worst compatibility is non existent for humans so you can get a bad compatibility with your healer worst case scenario

>>723101243
NTA, but you're advocating for murder, so your projection is rather silly either it be over what you posted or video games

>>723095912 (OP)
We must be scarier women.

>>723104734
A rebalanced harder version of FFTA would be so fucking good. I still think that game has way more potential then FFT or FFTA2

>>723113278
>Intimidate
>Ugh, fine. I guess you are my little Chicken

>>723098846
>noooooooooooooooooooo you cant just disagree with our shitty agenda driven translation!
how long did you cry when Kamala lost?

>>723113435
sexo

>>723110839
do people not know fire/lightning/blizzard rods all give you a damage boost with that element? It's part of why a squad of quick raised black mages that know lit 1 can absolutely speedblitz chapter 1

>>723113874
Those are the same "people" who say that this is a grinding game or whatever.

>>723113874
>uses Fira during rain
>mages suck in this game, i'm grinding for Ninja

>>723113874
multiple damage boosts of the same type don't stack so why wouldn't you get that from a black robe or something and keep your extra 2 MA on the weapon.

>>723114151
To be fair, it's kind of retarded that you have to specialize in thunder given that a third of the game's battle are in rain.

>>723114220
you get the elemental rods before you get any other elemental boosting items and magic attack boosting items, which is why the anon in particular mentioned using lightning 1 to slaughter chapter 1 anon

>>723114329
It isn't until late chapter 2/early 3 before you get any elemental boosting gear that isn't rods.

>>723110478
OK? Are we going to pretend that all of Lucas' later additions were good? Or Ridley Scott?

what the hell triggers the new unique dialogue anyways apparently mustardio was supposed to be talking multiple times in chapter 3

>>723112929
>murder
Can't murder a leftist seeing as they aren't human. Especially when they been advocating for my murder for literally decades now. Fuck off to reddit you stupid faggot

>>723114754
>He's just a groyper
You had your chance, and you ran away.

>>723114749
which battle? I had him ask whether or not to spare marak on the riovanes castle gate. they must be not stopped or KO to speak their dialogue.

>>723114417
Japa mala and Black robes are both Ch 3.

>>723114945
the inquisiter and the vaults from what I was reading, had him in both (apparently I needed Alma on the field for the first one?)
both him and Agrias didn't pipe up in the vaults for some reason

>>723115212
Now reread my post.

>>723115291
Why did you think I disagree?

just started ch4 on tactician, what are some must do items before i try to blitz through the story?

>>723115767
Watch the video on youtube titled:
"FFT: TIC: 5 items everyone MUST get BEFORE Chapter 4! Don't miss THESE!"

>>723095912 (OP)
Personally, I liked how War of the Lions handled its "remiding the noble knight that she can be womanly" scene a lot better. It enhanced the characters rather than flattening them for some quippy exchange.
https://youtu.be/Y8puy-KMAQE
Plus the Tynar Rouge is a great accessory.

>>723116061
tynar rogue is too good, though I wouldn't have minded the event still being in but getting a lesser perfume or nerfed tynar rogue for it.

>>723116061
I wonder how badly they are going to ruin this scene with the $30 dollar WoTL DLC.

>>723110087
Green Chocobos? Cool new addition.

>>723115767
ch2 get a pig in the swamp story battle
farm ribbon, chantage
ch4 get a haste perfume from a black hydra

was there a resource like this in the original? it even tells you stuff like bravery affecting your unarmed damage with monk

>>723116847
No, the remake tells you a lot of stuff that was strategy guide bait in the original like how rare items are inversely related to Brave

>>723116972
neat

>>723116779
yeah i missed the pig in ch2, i will seek one out in dorvauldar marsh

taming monsters, breeding them to thier 3, then paoching for the rares... so tedious in TIC even with the QOL, can't imagine how oldfags did it with random battles and having to reload on PS1, much respect

>>723117294
there's one slightly earlier, in the Golland Colliery battles

>>723110087
>this special unit with instant, high-accuracy debuff abilities is not that useful, ACTUALLY
gonna have to respectfully disagree.

>>723103425
this is like the third or fourth thread I've seen anon, don't be a lying cunt

>>723103653
>we
Kill yourself, shill.

>>723118261
>Anyone who disagrees with me is a shill
Schizophrenia

>>723118414
>this blatant cashgrab that removes content from previous versions, is hideous with vaseline smear filter, and is full of BRAND NEW feminist garbage dialogue is actually the best version
Again, kill yourself, shill.

Whats the most broken reaction skill and why is it auto potion?

I didn't even reach the filter and I'm already filtered. This is too difficult.

Is there a mod that makes it so you can't just hit each other to grind? I'm a autist with no self control and I need something to reign me in.

>>723118674
>Barius Hill at lv. 9
That's a bit low for that point, especially if this is your first time.

>>723118657
it's pretty good until you reach hp levels where 150 from an x-potion is a drop in the bucket. Then you need mana shield + manafont if you want something that scales better while being unconditional.

But it's honestly hard to point to any one of them and call them the uncontested best since they all have strengths and weaknesses, and i think that's a credit to the game.
Like mana shield is weak to multiple hits and requires you to nerf your mobility, shirahadori doesn't work on magic, first strike is potentially even better but only aginst humans, etc.

>>723095912 (OP)
Final Fantasy was always about feminism.

>t. Some faggot soon

>>723118905
just don't do it if you don't want to do it

>>723118657
Shirahidori/Blade Grasp.
>boost Brave to maximum
>all physical attacks have a ~5% chance of going through
ggnore

>>723118657
Shirahadori

>>723098532
>Agrias being raised as a man
wtf? can't they just have their shitty "remake" cash grab, copy someone else's work and fuck off??? if they're going to add shit at all, not just specifically retarded story bits, then where the FUCK is my Dark Knight Ramza???

>Shirahadori,
>4 Faith
>Escutcheon II
>Chantage
Lmao

>>723118674
The few early game female summoners can be dicks yeah

>>723119686
are female summoners somehow stronger?

>>723119151
I literally cant help it if I'm given the chance.

>>723119785
females have higher Magic Attack, males higher PA

no, they didn't make this PC in the remaster, so chuds shouldn't complain too much about the Agrias dialogue

>>723119192
>>723119352
Isn't it sort of pointless by the end of the game where almost everything is some sort of non physical attack? Auto potion is good throughout the whole game.

>>723119686
So how do you deal with them, they start off casting haste so their diamond dust cast is almost instant and one hit of it one shots everyone.

>>723119860
So then it would be best to make my calculator a female soldier?

>>723119610
Low brave should increase your evasion vs physical attacks or something. Magic is already hella cucked compared to physical builds, it's silly that you can make yourself essentially invulnerable to magic with no downside and no counterplay.

>>723119939
Probably, I'm not finished yet. But you were told just posts ago that Auto Potion doesn't hold up to endgame HP levels, bot-kun.

>>723120140
I agree, though a correction is that not all magic uses faith calculations.

>>723120042
Haste doesn't affect cast speed. How many times must this be repeated.

>>723120140
don't you receive less healing from white magic if you have low faith?

>>723120290
Maybe they should've put it in the fucking tutorial.

>>723120042
Got Ice shields?
Try to snipe them with guns
Fry them with faster magic if they have hight faith
Give shell on your party at the start

>>723118674
summon golem
put auto potion magic defense boost on ramza

>>723119819
Just do not be yourself it's easy.

>>723120338
They should so that people aren't getting confused about slow actions.

>>723120472
Indeed, bot-kun. That was the meaning of my post.

>>723120546
If I find out the tutorial explains slow actions well I'm shaming you, tard-anon.

>>723120401
>>723120414
>Got Ice shields?
>Try to snipe them with guns
>Fry them with faster magic if they have hight faith
>Give shell on your party at the start
>summon golem
>put auto potion magic defense boost on ramza
What the fuck are you talking about bro I'm like lvl 8 and my casters are at 6. I haven't even seen any spells other than different flavors of elemental damage on my black mage.
Guess I'll just have to grind for like 10 hours.

>>723120690
>Guess I'll just have to grind for like 10 hours
Have fun

>>723120690
You don't have any of those options at this point. Backing off is also an option, lure them into your attack range. If you have a knight with Rend MP then you could easily deal with the summoners. They can really only get 1-2 spells off with their low MP

>>723120678
They made the tutorial into a full blown wiki in this demake because it was so full of guide-dang-it bullshit to begin with.

>>723120301
it is a detriment when trying to target yourself with spells, but it's not like those things have a big presence anyway for most people trying to metagame.
Like why deal with faith/cast times/mp + zodiac compatibility when you can just hit chakra on a monk and do the same thing instantly for free. All the strongest buffs in the game like haste/protect/shell you can get for free too from perfumes and knight swords.

>>723120797
All I know is that people remain retarded.

>>723120939
You don't know shit because you're a bot.

>>723120690
I did only main story battles, you do not need to grind, just be strategic. Unless you're playing tactician, then you might be fucked up the ass

>>723120973
This one is retarded and delusional. A nice job combination.

>>723120690
The vast majority of people who play this game are retards who grind to avoid strategizing. Grinding a _tiny_ bit for fundamental skills before Dorter is okay, but everyone else is bad at the game.

>>723098532
Wow I LITERALLY can't believe Matsuno is a westaboo leftie...
No wait, I can

Why am I getting my ass beat on normal difficulty so bad? Am I not grinding enough? I power levelled early to get Flare and Honly on my Casters, but that’s the obly thing I have that can actually 1 shot an enemy. Nearly everything else requires 3 units just to beat one standard enemy.

>>723109148
Gafgarion is like one of the most purely mercenary characters I have ever seen. He just doesn't give any kind of fuck as long as he gets paid, save maybe having a soft spot for Ramza

>>723121085
This guy has a white mage but no shell.
A gunner in Mustadio but can't afford Rend MP
A black mage with fast low level spells but target the summomers
The advice given wasn't bad. But let him grind for 10 hours.

>>723121308
Wasting all of your low level mage MP on a single target lol

>>723121089
REEEEEEE now I don't even want more content if it's going to be wokeslop

So is this a good version of the game or not? I've been meaning to check the game out since playing Tactics Ogre and was waiting for this to release.

>>723121520
It's an expensive port of the PS1 version with VA and QoL features. Could be better with more settings honestly.
If you don't mind the price it's ok. You could also emulate and not miss out on anything too important.

>>723121308
>Saved all her JP to buy the highest level spells immediately (she can cast them ONCE per battle)

>>723121470
>>723121695
I need the one shot or else someone dies turn one! Even with every magical attack boosting item I can find using Thundaga only puts most enemies at half.

>>723121520
Just download the PS1 rom.

>>723121838
Get a thunder rod

>>723121520
WoTL has more content (couple unique characters, some cutscenes, accessories, multiplayer content up to Lv99)

>>723121695
You will never be a woman.

>>723095912 (OP)
I always thought people who liked this game were homos. Seriously, when has a FFT fan been anything but an annoying retard?

>>723122110
It's ok anon the thread isn't on page 10

I think the generic female knight is the cutest! Her, Geochan and Samchan!

>>723120690
if you're bad at srpgs, play in squire difficulty

I want to do a caster Ramza instead of the useless monk->ninja pipeline.

Black magic? Or Summoner? Secondary will be soeechcraft

>>723122014
already am chuddy ;)

>>723122614
Usual*

>>723101264
>polfags
>read
Come on man

Dragoons are so fucking cool bros i love having a 2 range melee attack and jumping on people from 8 tiles away.

>>723101264
anon these faggots don't care, they live off culture war engagement farming

>>723122964
They do 1 thing but they do it well.

>>723122614
Ramza with the magic gun is hilarious but if you wanna be a mage proper probably Summoner is strongest

>>723101264
You are very correct anon. I shall also reply to this early post.

>>723122614
Black magic, summoner takes way too long to stop being redundant to the black magic you got on the way.

It's kinda funny hearing these voice actors pronouncing japanese names in a medieval european setting.

>>723110087
>complaining about effectiveness
cool units are just pet favorite additions to your team. this game is piss easy for us anyways, let's be real. pick him for flavor

I conquered this game when I was 7 years old (and it unironically gave me a huge headstart in math classes)

Friends. I want advice on my team

>>723099460
That's some dogshit voice acting.

>>723110087
>That damage
Normal mode
Who cares

>>723110087
Something people don't say when they jerk off Beowulf is that they are immediately faith grinding him. Without that his debuffs are like 65% chances way too often and your old black mage generics you've had forever might have better chances to land disable or frog than he does his enemy save-or-die spells.

>>723123694
just be yourself

>>723123426
>he wasted JP on anything other than Magic Attack UP
>he didn't realize that summons are stronger than everything except -ja spells, and they ignore allies
Here's your (You) for pretending to be a retard.

take the actually using white mage for support pill

>>723098532
Even if it wasn't woke trash I still planned not to get this anyway, denuvo and no War of Lion content and everything else that's wrong with it.

>>723103667
Don't know, don't care, didn't ask for this change nor your humorous fanfic raving.

>>723123724
Shhh you can't say that! You will hurt people's feelings about this critically aclaimed VA.

>>723123893
white mage is dope. don't know why anyone would hate on it given it's toolbox of useful stuff

>>723095912 (OP)
>spending money on AAA ports during the woke dark ages
horrendous mental retardation

>>723123893
Ehhh.
Protect, Shell and Esuna are ok but you really shouldn't have people dying too much for the rest of the abilities.

>>723124315
i just feel like they are a lot nicer in tactician specifically

>>723124315
Esuna is a complete waste. Protect and Shell have extremely niche uses, but that zero height allowance...

>>723124359
Yeah every defensive playstyle should be. I still hate tactician. Can't wait for formation editors so that AI starts using some better job combos.

I'm in act 3, does anyone know the most efficient way to grind out JP at this stage of the game?

>>723123739
?

>>723124406
They have low costs and are pretty fast. You generally buff your team during initial formation and then can target individuals.

>>723124480
Toad team smacking a lvl 1 recruit

>>723103352
How was that lunar remaster?

>>723123843
Friendly fire never matters practically. Summoners have lower speed and lower MA while you're actually in the class building up JP.

Going into summoner to get Ramuh to cast it rather than thundaga is just a pain and cuts you off from using a different secondary when you switch back to black mage for the speed and MA if you're going to use summons. If you aren't grinding there are better things to do.

>>723124636
>he cares about the +1 speed and magic
Terminal autism.

>>723124612
Do i just toad the enemy as well? How can I get auto battle to deal with the nonsense

It's weird to hear his voice not coming out of that little weasel.

>>723124713
it matters pretty often
having the option to use a faster casting spell like thunder instead of only having Ramuh also comes up a lot

>>723124905
>>723124636
Should I go black mage/summon instead of speechcraft then???

>>723123893
been using protect more on my tactician run

>>723118529
Based post.

>>723125413
shell is good early on too because the game loves to stuff in black mages that can 1 or 2 shot all of your units

>fight final boss
>it literally just goes around melee attacking, only casts Divine Ultima once
>Win easily, because boss melee kills someone -> revive with phoenix down -> hit boss few times -> boss melee kills the person just rezz'd -> revive again. Repeat till boss is dead.
On tactician mode btw
must've bugged out or something

>>723125025
yeah personally I think summon is a better skillset than black magic overall, but I would put it on a black mage for the best damage. Go full glass cannon.

>>723125825
i'm about to head into ch4 on tactician, what was your final lvl? i'm starting to fall behind in dmg

>>723125856
you also get a pretty decent heal from fairy

>>723125825
That was my experience, except it was golem blocks every turn. Geo/Martial Arts meant I could cast it forever lol. Tanky summoners are pretty good.

final fantasy bros... its time to admit that tactics ogre won...

>>723126119
This.
Agrias has been destroyed.
Ravness remains pure. And noble.

>>723126119
The fact that they gatekept grinding alone made it better, it keeps the game challenging.

>>723125025
running speechcraft as a secondary on a black mage is nice in the easier battles to get some extra faith without just outright grinding, and invitation is completely gamechanging depending on how you want to play

>>723125969
Lvl 50 when entering the battles and 57 by the very end, though that was for the achievement where you get Ramza to 50. Could probably have finished in the mid 40s to early 50.

>>723126221
you could also just not grind

>>723126119
I played the remaster last year and it was really good but I've always liked the story, characters, music of FFT more

>>723126297
You're not my dad.

>>723126410
Bots don't have fathers.

>>723126221
>>723126410
have some restraint. why make the game boring?

>agrias
for me, it's ravness
the best lady knight

reminder that jump will most likely hit if the target's CT is less than 50
no need to remember so complex math stuff

>>723125825
I think it's due to the AI being coded to target and focuses on eliminate one party member at a time.

>>723125825
i think the AI becomes like that in every battle when it's 1v5

>>723126621
>best girl is locked behind war crime route
what did they mean by this?

>>723126621
nobody plays that edgelord evil route

>>723126665
just look at the turn order phil

>>723127659
jump doesn't show up on the turn order like spells or summons

>>723095912 (OP)
Don't care not paying full price for shit that came out 30 years ago. Make a new FF Tactics and I'll be more than happy to discuss my outrage or lack thereof.

>>723127745
even in IC? really?

>>723127883
It shows up after you jump

>>723127963
it's weird cause if the game knows where it should go on the timeline after you commit to it, why not just preview it as well like it does for spells when you hover over the action?

>>723108715
You sound like someone who never bothered getting past the first fight.

>>723126665
it's based on speed. just target late units, which is what you are suggesting in a way

>>723128072
you can even calculate it yourself because Jump's speed is just double your unit's speed. that's why >>723126665 is a good rule of thumb. it's just a little annoyance about using Jump.

>>723128318
i want to main thief or archer with jump secondary, do i need to buy every version of horizontal and vertical jump?

>>723128318
but now you have a range of targets (CT is <50)

>>723128473
that's a cool idea. I like jump aesthetically so I will be using it too

if you want to be able to have the most targeting yeah. do keep in mind that speed just affects timing. physical attack of your weapon and PA is the damage
oh an Halberds do more Jump damage by default (+50% I think). there is an equip halberd support skill on Lancer

this info is also in your chronicle in game. they added a ton of extra info with this version of the game. everything from calculations to strategy is in there which is pretty cool for new players or players that just want to learn more

>>723128473
no
for whatever reason that isn't something they fixed. You can still only have to buy the last ones

>>723128473
You just need the highest version. The dragoon skillet is that redundant.

>>723128742
>>723128778
wow, that's funny they didn't change it. at least archer Aim abilities have different timings
I guess there's no reason to learn everything unless you want to jump while training

>>723095912 (OP)
Even if you allow Agrias to have her stupid feminist mic drop moment this is such a shitty line of dialogue. It's like some Freudian pathologizing of Gafgarion that sounds extremely modern and sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>723129137
gaf even has female units on his teams, it's such an out of place talk

>>723129137
>>723129238
remove the politics from your head for just a minute. what makes you think 'woman' is the operative word in the sentence? she's referring to herself as someone who stands against gafgarion's expectations, not that women stand against his expectations

>>723129238
he's not taking the piss out of her for just being a woman, he's taking the piss out of her for being a NOBLE woman, he literally explains that the very next time they start bickering again.

>>723128729
>if you want to be able to have the most targeting yeah. do keep in mind that speed just affects timing. physical attack of your weapon and PA is the damage
So speed is not a factor when jumping with weapons that normally factor speed?
Does jumping with guns factor in unit's physical attack, then?

>removed PSP content
shit game

>>723130521
give me my fucking dark knights square i am not playing your mmo

>>723129832
The only thing more annoying than chuds seething about wokeslop are stealth leftists pretending like they don't know what the fuss is about

>>723129832
Not sure if you've played the game, but this is after Gaffy already said, "You'd be happier settling down as a woman should" during earlier dialogue banter. Sex differences are absolutely what's being discussed.
>>723129957
This is wrong too. The OP dialogue is from their second and final exchange. All he says is that he knows she took her brother's place as heir to House Oaks, but he's not bringing the idea of nobility vs. commoner into it. He's making fun of her for trying to take a man's role.
Don't take my word for it. The video is on youtube for anyone to see it.

>>723130183
It's always weapon damage X physical attack regardless of weapon - unless it's a polearm then you get an extra 1.5x multiplier.
High variance weapons with good maximum damage values like flails are also decent jump weapons. A jumping knight with chaos blade at 40wd is almost as good as the best polearm (javelin 2 at 30 x 1.5).

>>723100052
It's absolute bullshit because it's a world where male and female soldiers fight side by side as all classes.

>>723130873
there is literally no point in mentioning her status of nobility if he wasn't directly attacking it, agrias already tried the hypocrisy angle before saying this. his expectation is that as a noble woman she shouldve just lived a life free from fighting but instead she never got that chance and asks if she finds fulfillment in being a princesses guard.

>>723123113
>engagement farming
>a couple of anonymous (You)s

>>723131623
>acting like anons don't treat (you)'s like crack

>>723131623
>>723131694
It's literal jewish bots designed to destroy conversation between humans.
>that's ridiculous, you're anti-semitic/schizophrenic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia

>>723116217
Isn't the WotL script already in the game as the Classic option?

>>723131861
the wotl is the script that is being used for both the remake and the classic option. the remake just has more dialogue that the classic option doesn't have, idk why that anon was even trying to imply.

>>723131965
idk what*

>>723131086
>as all classes
>all classes
You will NEVER be a dancer.

>>723132058
you will never be white, paco

>>723132102
>seething this hard at idiotic joke post
Holy fuck you're an actual tranny. Neck yourself.

>>723132058
yeah well, in this version of the game guys are using perfumes???

>>723132190
The the boys have never looked so FABULOUS!!!

funny how this fight still smokes newbies after all this time.

>>723132330
>dude just slap a ribbon and chantage on everyone lmao
i hate how boring it makes gearing characters now. Males already had it good with PA builds being generally stronger and all the busted unique characters. The sexes having strongly asymmetrical strengths and weaknesses made the buildcrafting for your roster way more interesting to me.

>>723132349
for me it's not even wiegraf the fucking archers on the stage before him were giving me a lot of shit
ranged units GET OUT

>>723132449
>>723132330
Hell, now that Orlandu can equip Setiemsen, he can have the Chaos Blade AND auto-haste if you want to.

I'm spamming Focus to unlock teleport.
The enemy is stuck there since it won't go around.

>>723100558
>>723100750
There aren't going to be commoners in the military academy. Remember, these are apprentices to become knights, not just boot camp cadets to become cannon fodder. Delita is an exception, because he's Ramza's friend.

>>723104250
Cool, I can use these for my custom dnd paper minis. Thank you, anon.

>>723095912 (OP)
The only reason she's allowed to speak like that is because those pixelated men allow it. Nothing a swift 8-bit backhand can't take care.

>>723133513
they are full size and uncropped here
https://www.creativeuncut.com/art_knights-of-glory_a.html

>>723133431
>ramza's dad had to pull strings to get delita into the academy because only the children of knights are allowed in
>doesn't let alma or delita's sister join because it's too dangerous for a lady
>ovelia and other high status women also not expected to join
>but there are in fact women in the academy
>meaning somewhere there are knights who let their high status daughters join because ehhh why not
Just don't think about it bro.

>>723095912 (OP)
To be honest in a gritty medieval world where there's no societal protection for women, I don't think anyone would be 'afraid' of a female knight so much as bewildered and possibly aroused.
I'm pretty sure I'd rather fight a chick as compared to the Mountain that Rides.

>>723126181
>Ravness remains pure. And noble.
but she died in the story in my first playthrough while agrias lived.
checkmate

>>723132141
>can't handle a little bit of banter back in your direction
And you're an actual "latinx."

>>723133720
They got sent off to holy boarding school because they couldn't make the reed whistle work.

>>723134129
>somehow interprets purely game-related comment as "banter in xer direction" and needs to retaliate
Yep you're a tranny.

whats the point of so many jobs when I will use only story characters for the extra dialogue anyway? I only had one generic timemage/whitemage with me for the final dungeon.

>>723134268
>Yep you're a tranny.

>>723134307
no one is forcing you to use the special characters

>>723134425
while technically correct, the extra dialogue and voicing are the only things this version of FFT has going for it

why didnt delita help ramza to stop the ressurection of satan?

>>723134380
Why is this troon telling me how many dicks he's sucked

>>723134606
Good goy.

>>723104690
He used everyone and so ended up alone. Even Ovelia hated his guts.

>>723134606
couldn't you just have achieved the same thing by looking them up on youtube and just playing literally any other version

>>723134816
>shitjak
The tranny calling card.

Should I have recruited Robo and the other secret party members? Didn't really bother with side content. There's no new game plus in this is there?

>>723134735
>looking up things on youtube
Id rather experience things for myself.
and even without the extra dialogue, the named characters like agrias, cidolfus and meliadoul seem much stronger than the generic jobs.

>>723133645
>https://www.creativeuncut.com/art_knights-of-glory_a.html
Bless you, anon.

>>723134649
Delita's entirely about self-interest. He's not a hero. He saw that Ramza was willing to do the thankless job of demon disposal and go down in history as a heretic, and he didn't get in Ramza's way. No need for Delita to put himself at risk when he can just use Ramza to do the job for him.

>>723134958
Yeah but those generic fought with you since the beginning. Some of them may even be fellow academy students who stuck by Ramza through everything.


You’d really abandon them?

>>723116061
>I will treasure it, as I do our friendship
Rough

>>723121695
Imagine Megumin with the Arithmeticks skill. CT Multiple of 3 EXPUROSION would be the new speedstrat.

>>723135949
It would take longer than the lifespan of the known universe to teach Megumin to put skill points into something other than EXPLOSION

>>723135815
I did send them on cool errants though.
So they got to see the hidden treasures and wonders of the world!

>>723135680
yes, Delita is a big dick that deserved all the shit but what was his plan if ramza failed and satan was reborn?

>>723116061
>text scroll sound
man maybe I just won't bother with the remake
I love this sound like you wouldn't believe

>>723136376
He'd probably just swear fealty to Ultima and become a Lucavi. His goals were the same as theirs.

>>723134909
you still can get the extra characters after beating the game.
you will just load the save before point of no return

>>723132449
Thanks for "preserving the original" I hate it.

would u play an update where they added a 100 floor postgame dungeon like tactics ogre

>>723126665
>complex math stuff
It's a simple multiplication and addition. It doesn't involve anything with triple digits...

>>723137391
i think FFT would benefit a ton from its own palace of the dead-style super dungeon
midlight's deep is nice but it doesn't feel like enough of an extra challenge for how much you can do and grind out in FFT
something shorter but more challenging like san bronsa ruins would be nice too

>>723136376
>what was his plan if ramza failed and satan was reborn?
I don't think he had one. As far as he knew, the High Confessor was involved in orchestrating the war so the Church could fill the power vacuum afterwards, and the stones were just to remind everyone of the Zodiac Brave Story so that people would go along with it. No one knew what Folmarv and the Knights Templar were really planning until Ramza did at the very end.

>>723136376
he probably just didnt believe ramza that jesus was actually a sexy demon

>>723137391
When I played FFT I was really disappointed when it ended since I hadn't unlocked all the classes so yes

>>723137391
Fans are loyal enough that given a tool they would design 100 extra floors in 2 days.

OMG IS DAT MEGUMIN??

>>723137391
People have modded such things before I am certain

>>723137946
Did you know that the level 4 fire spell doesn't hit the caster?

>>723137391
yes 100%

After Flopbirth FF has become a hunilitation ritual.

>>723139262
>charm the time mage right at the start of the Gallows fight
yeeeeep *siiiiiip*
thanks for the free haste