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Any games inspired by gnosticism?
Anonymous No.723097751 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
SMT
Anonymous No.723097825 [Report] >>723099909 >>723104150 >>723105030 >>723105341 >>723106072 >>723106262 >>723108334
Elder Scrolls.
Anonymous No.723097953 [Report]
hylics 2
Anonymous No.723098040 [Report] >>723099909 >>723104150
>>723097650 (OP)
TES is the obvious answer, also Cruelty Squad.
Anonymous No.723098085 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Digimon story time stranger
Anonymous No.723098105 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
EYE divine cybermancy.
Anonymous No.723098221 [Report] >>723110646
>>723097650 (OP)
Anonymous No.723098589 [Report] >>723099909
>>723097650 (OP)
Everything in the Elder Scrolls, but especially Skyrim. Lorkhan is the demiurge, Thalmor want to eradicate the concept of Man so they can escape the prison universe they're trapped in.
Anonymous No.723098786 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Any Transformers game.
Anonymous No.723098861 [Report] >>723099159 >>723108852
>>723097650 (OP)
both the demiurge and baphomet are homos, i'd heem them both same time
Anonymous No.723099159 [Report]
>>723098861
Baphomet is just Muhammad.
Anonymous No.723099250 [Report]
Cruelty Squad
Anonymous No.723099262 [Report] >>723099773
>>723097650 (OP)
E33

It's basically one big occult masonic shitpost
Anonymous No.723099281 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Majora's Mask touches on it but its more buddhist than gnostic though the two are similar in perceiving our reality as false and ascending it through enlightenment/gnosis
Anonymous No.723099627 [Report] >>723110772
FF7
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Can anyone explain what they think gnosticism is? Reading the different definitions doesn't really fit what is suggested here
Anonymous No.723099773 [Report]
>>723099262
Thought it was just french shit
Anonymous No.723099779 [Report]
>>723099708
it's pseud shit, baby's first esotericism
Anonymous No.723099909 [Report] >>723106881
>>723098589
>>723098040
>>723097825
But the demiurge is evil and Lorkhan did literally nothing wrong
Anonymous No.723099975 [Report]
>>723099708
Gnosticism is when the church is evil. t.catharism pro
Anonymous No.723099978 [Report] >>723100272 >>723109587 >>723111989
>>723099708
In its simplest terms it's the idea that the material world was created by an either evil or misguided god and that human souls are trapped in it. It is usually combined with a notion that there's a better reality outside our physical reality, and that there's a better, more loving god there, who is the "real" god.

Usually it's done to reconcile the Christian notion that God is loving and merciful with the fact that there's all kinds of horrific shit that happens in our world, so the idea is that it's the Demiurge's fault all the bad stuff happens. Why the real God lets the Demiurge do it in the first place, they don't really explain, so it doesn't work well as a way of reconciling all that. But it's a neat theology anyways, inspired more interesting TES lore.
Anonymous No.723100057 [Report]
Xeno
Deltarune
Anonymous No.723100148 [Report] >>723100337
>>723097650 (OP)
gnosia?
Anonymous No.723100253 [Report]
>>723099708
You want to create a religion but are too lazy to come up with all the stories and figures yourself, so you pick a religion that already exists, pick and choose only the things you like about the religion and you call everything else about the religion deception created by the evil fake god.
Anonymous No.723100272 [Report]
>>723099978
Sounds like cope
Anonymous No.723100337 [Report]
>>723100148
Anonymous No.723100429 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Soul Reaver games
Anonymous No.723100448 [Report]
Xenoblade: demiurge takes a trip to Earth and local madman uses it to unravel reality by creating a new demiurge (Alvin)
Anonymous No.723100472 [Report]
Persona 5, most japanese games
Anonymous No.723100570 [Report] >>723100662 >>723100689 >>723100743 >>723101441 >>723106986 >>723107434 >>723108429
>>723099708
Jewish god is evil and thus created this evil world we are stuck in. Christ was sent by the true god and inhabited the body of Jesus of Nazareth to spread wisdom to man in order to teach man the path to escape.
Anonymous No.723100612 [Report]
E33. All the painters are shitty, retarded demiurges.
Anonymous No.723100662 [Report] >>723107508
>>723100570
> Christ was sent by the true god and inhabited the body of Jesus of Nazareth to spread wisdom to man in order to teach man the path to escape
Nigga not even every Gnostic religion was Christian. Hell the biggest surviving Gnostic religion today denounces Jesus as a fake prophet.
Anonymous No.723100689 [Report] >>723105014 >>723107663
>>723100570
Why doesnt true god just show up and spank fake god?
Anonymous No.723100690 [Report] >>723111898 >>723111898
>>723097650 (OP)
Literally Xenogears
Anonymous No.723100743 [Report]
>>723100570
Christianity is globohomo communism though
Anonymous No.723101108 [Report]
My physical form is a trap and is the root cause of every single problem that I will face. Heaven and Hell aren’t real but the ethereal realm does exist and can be either depending on where your true sovl is normal or corrupt. Currently I know that I will end up in a hell of my own creation and I’m ok with because I’m a degen. If you think you just disappear when you die you are retarded.
Anonymous No.723101249 [Report]
>>723099708
Christians who weren't satisfied with the Book of Job and coped by committing heresy
Anonymous No.723101441 [Report] >>723101729
>>723100570
Gnosticism is principally Jewish in origin.
Anonymous No.723101627 [Report] >>723107446
>>723099708
It's basically knock off Buddhism with its themes of illusion and enlightenment but unlike Buddhism doesn't provide a pathway to escape the illusion.
Anonymous No.723101636 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Drowned God
Anonymous No.723101729 [Report] >>723101926 >>723104868
>>723101441
It's incompatible with Judaism though. If you apply Gnosticism on Judaism you end up with a completely different religion that is definitely not Judaism. If you apply it on Christianity you end up with a highly heretic non-Abrahamic version of Christianity but it could still be considered Christian.
Anonymous No.723101732 [Report] >>723102372
>>723099708
Watch the Matrix, it's the most distilled version of it
Anonymous No.723101926 [Report] >>723102256 >>723104318 >>723108195 >>723114073
>>723101729
I'm just explaining where Gnosticism comes from. It has Jewish roots and is principally Jewish in nature. Many Christians adopted it as copium for their religion's own contradictions, but it is fundamentally Jewish.
Anonymous No.723101976 [Report] >>723116732
schizos are obsessed with this shit man, it's insane.
Anonymous No.723102256 [Report] >>723102518 >>723105526
>>723101926
>and is principally Jewish in nature
It can't be on the basis that it believes in an evil and a good god. If you claim that half of the Jewish prophets are deceivers sent by the evil fake god and only the other half are genuine prophets spreading the truth, you will never be able to claim to be Jewish. In Christianity you can at least say the messages of the old testament are mostly false and the god described there is the evil one, while the new one is the truly genuine one and Christ was send to spread truth and doing so wouldn't really take you out of the fold of Christianity since you accept Christ as your savior.
Anonymous No.723102372 [Report] >>723102583
>>723101732
>ergo vis a vis
>....
>........
>.....
>Concordantly
Anonymous No.723102518 [Report]
>>723102256
Never realized I was a gnostic.
Anonymous No.723102538 [Report] >>723102793
>>723099708
It’s a religion for people that hate God but think atheism is too Reddit
Anonymous No.723102583 [Report]
>>723102372
you haven't answered my question
Anonymous No.723102760 [Report] >>723112995
>>723099708
there's a lot of offshoots of gnoticism. even a christian version of it. nutshell is there's the monad which is oneness of all things then aeons sprouted from the monad then an aeon that didn't have her lover thought about creating on her own which spawned the demiurge. this aeon (sophia) was so ashamed of her creation she hit him in darkness. in his ignorance the demiurge proclaimed itself the highest god and created the material realm. we al have divine light in us so sophia wants to help us escape reincarnation into the material realm to atone of her creation. so the crux of gnocitism is attaining knowledge to escape being reincarnated into the material realm. in the christian version jesus is sophia's lover and he was mean to share the knowledge of how to do just that and through jesus sophia and all of us would be redeemed.

i have no idea what it makes some people so mad to discuss it.
Anonymous No.723102791 [Report] >>723103315
You have your answer of TES, and a few JRPGs and indie games, but you really just wanted an excuse to talk about jewish fairy tales outside of /his/ and /x/.
Anonymous No.723102793 [Report]
>>723102538
and that's why they went extra reddit?
Anonymous No.723102808 [Report]
Dominions
Anonymous No.723103315 [Report]
>>723102791
Isn't TES based more of Hinduism
Anonymous No.723103773 [Report] >>723104474 >>723104563
>>723099708
Funny enough the Japanese use Gnosticism to criticize Buddhism.
Gnosticism is an exotic flavoring with enough similarities to use it as a framework to criticize buddhist worldview.
Japan has always struggled with buddhist thought because in essence it is diametrically opposed to native shintoism and animism since it was imported from China and Korea. Buddhism being all about rejecting the material world and the self while native thought is centered around beauty in impermanence. Like cherry blossoms and stuff.

Gnosticism is just early Christianity mixed with Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and Arabian folk religions.
Many Gnostic texts do not deal in concepts of sin and repentance

Buddhism, from its earliest days, has denied the existence of the "self, soul" in its core philosophical and ontological texts. In its soteriological themes, Buddhism has defined nirvana as that blissful state when a person, amongst other things, realizes that he or she has no self, no soul.
It's when you realize you don't exist and that you(self) and reality are just an illusion.

The term anattā or anātman refers to the doctrine of "non-self", that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul or essence in living beings.

To further elaborate
Nirvana is not about preservation and understanding.
Enlightenment (or, the state of being fully awake) is defined as having a completely empty head, your mind being an endless void.

A person who has attained the goal Nibbana is thus indescribable because they have abandoned all things by which they could be described". The Suttas themselves describe the liberated mind as 'untraceable' or as 'consciousness without feature', making no distinction between the mind of a liberated being that is alive and the mind of one that is no longer alive.
Enlightenment is a destructive process. It
has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the
crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing
through the facade of pretence.
Anonymous No.723103840 [Report]
Why is no one mentioning Dark Souls? Wasn't it meant to be THE "God is le bad/clerics are le bad" Gnostic game?
I mean, there's even a serpent Rabbi that tells you that you should embrace darkness to free yourself from the gods.
Anonymous No.723104150 [Report] >>723104962
>>723097650 (OP)
Hylics would be the most obvious answer along with SMT and a whole lot of Japanese RPGs.
>>723097825
>>723098040
TES is an insipid western fantasy knockoff. Yeah there's bits of gnosticism inspired stuff in the lore but by and large it's just Tolkienshit.
Anonymous No.723104238 [Report]
>>723099708
Christianity but without the kikeshit
Anonymous No.723104318 [Report] >>723104868
>>723101926
Gnosticism is literally the opposite of Judaism. Gnosticism states this world is flawed and can't be saved or redeemed. It has to be escaped and sparks from the real good world enter this evil fake world to show us the truth and help us escape. Jewish mysticism like the Kabbalah teaches that this world is a layer on the spiritual reality that is impossible for us to comprehend, but we can learn to grasp the material manifestation/emanations of the incomprehensible god. Through understanding the 10 attributes of god and then bettering our human nature we can restore balance when it is disturbed and gain access to divinity from the spiritual realm and beam it into our world to gradually make this world as good and perfect as the world of the unfathomable god. Every good deed works towards redeeming this world
Anonymous No.723104474 [Report] >>723104943 >>723105804 >>723106209
>>723103773
>Gnosticism is just early Christianity
Gnosticism is the antithesis of Christianity (and any Abrahamic religion for that matter).

In Christianity: The God of Eden is a benevolent deity and the Serpent (Satan) is an evil entity that tricked Adam and Eve into eating the fruit which led to their expulsion from Eden.

In Gnosticism: The God of Eden is an evil and tyrannical god that sought to deprive Adam and Eve from their potential by forbidding them the fruit of knowledge, and the Serpent (Satan) is the benevolent emancipator of humanity who gave them access to the fruit (knowledge) so they might rise up against the evil God of Eden (the God of the Bible) and defeat him.

Gnosticism is just a polite word for Satanism, when you think about it.
Anonymous No.723104507 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Everything in Silent Hill is pretty much the fault of the Demiurge.
Anonymous No.723104563 [Report]
>>723103773
>Gnosticism is just early Christianity mixed with Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and Arabian folk religions
No Gnosticism has its roots in people who were taught in Greek philosophy trying to make sense of Abrahamic religions.
Anonymous No.723104758 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Gnostics say everything is an analog for gnosticism. They're self-important nerds with main character syndrome.
Anonymous No.723104779 [Report]
Why is the demiurge so hot?
Anonymous No.723104862 [Report] >>723106868
>>723099708
>God exists
>he has kids called Aeons
>an aeon fucks up and has a retarded kid of its own
>Retard thinks it's God and creates the material world
>because it's retarded, the material world is retarded and fucking sucks so everybody in it is suffering at all times (Retard either doesn't care or doesn't know people are suffering)
>despite having no hand in it, because God is pervasive through all of reality, there's a little bit of him inside humans
>humans can achieve 'gnosis' and escape this doomed world made by Retard, back to the spiritual realm with God and the Aeons
>you can read the story and words but not truly 'understand' them, you have to fundamentally believe that your real self is not here, it is as a part of God as much as you believe that 1+1=2
>to achieve this you should probably do drugs or subject yourself to immense physical pain or something idk lmao
Anonymous No.723104868 [Report] >>723107942 >>723114073
>>723101729
thats not actually true, in judaism the Ein Soph is real god and the bible god would be your demiurge. I dont think you know what they actually believe.

>>723104318
Again you dont understand judaism. Chabbad Judaism which is like 60-70% of ALL judaism uses the Zohar. The Zohar is the source of all modern occcultism and yes even gnosticism, shared by the freemasons who literally call God the Architect, which demiurge is the greek equivalent to. You think "Kabbala" is seperate thought from judaism and it isnt.
Anonymous No.723104943 [Report] >>723105040 >>723105050 >>723105329
>>723104474
Judaism is more analogous to satanism.
Anonymous No.723104962 [Report] >>723105102
>>723104150
>but by and large it's just Tolkienshit
did you only play oblivion or something
I'm not gonna claim TES is peak storytelling or anything but it definitely has a lot more going on than just 'generic fantasy'
Anonymous No.723105014 [Report]
>>723100689
Because real God isn't a being doing shit. It's a "thought" that had other thoughts that had other thoughts. Jesus is the masculine half of the feminine half that spawned the architect of this realm. They want the divine inside people to return to the collective and original thought. So the guy is kinda indifferent to it all.
Anonymous No.723105030 [Report]
>>723097825
Anonymous No.723105040 [Report]
>>723104943
Judaism is plato + zoroaster + bible characters and names. It is literally the same shit as gnostic stuff, given that gnosticism meets its root at plato as well.
Anonymous No.723105050 [Report]
>>723104943
it would be if satanism didn't acknowledge the existence of god as well
Anonymous No.723105058 [Report]
>>723099708
Reality was made by a retarded deity, and his children love harvesting our negative energy, so they harvest our souls and reincarnate us for more suffering.
Anonymous No.723105102 [Report]
>>723104962
Yeah I've played everything since Morrowind. Kirkbride wrote some cool shit but very little of that features in the games beyond lore snippets you'll read in books.
Anonymous No.723105106 [Report] >>723107736
>>723099708
which version do you want, the end product of close to 2000 years of myth building
or what it was when it was invented
Anonymous No.723105187 [Report]
>>723099708
Long short is that the concept of Wisdom attempted to comprehend the concept of Chaos and made a little fucky-wucky that spawned a a giant (possibly evil) retard. That retard took the stuff of the divine and used it to make an inherently flawed physical existence. The ultimate goal is to rejoin the divine, using Christ as guide, and escape the cycle of living in a somewhat shitty mortal plane because a retard made it.
Anonymous No.723105230 [Report] >>723105343
Erm where does Moloch play into all of this
Anonymous No.723105329 [Report]
>>723104943
If you're talking about Jewish mysticism (the kabbalah), then yes. It also goes hand in hand with Gnosticism and Alchemy.

Most anime and fantasy games are inspired by these esoteric sects/beliefs (especially Fromsoft games).
Anonymous No.723105341 [Report]
>>723097825
This. Elder Scrolls is kind of a hodgepodge between Gnosticism and Hinduism.
Anonymous No.723105343 [Report]
>>723105230
Moloch is a demon/archon. Demons/Archons are the literal niggers of the spiritual world.
Anonymous No.723105448 [Report]
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver.
The Elder God with Tony Jay's voice is still one of the most kino antagonists in video game history so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlyDTEn32Fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scIo-DA_LIg
Anonymous No.723105458 [Report]
>>723099708
Esoteric spiritual beliefs rooted in nihilism
Anonymous No.723105482 [Report] >>723105584
roasting in an /x/ bread
Anonymous No.723105526 [Report] >>723107330
>>723102256
Except it's incompatible with Christianity because of Hebrews 13, kike:
>8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Anonymous No.723105584 [Report]
>>723105482
TLDR: It's the jews
Anonymous No.723105663 [Report]
>723100743
bait used to be believable
Anonymous No.723105742 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
>gnosticism
fake and gay
Anonymous No.723105804 [Report]
>>723104474
sounds awfully like the myth of prometheus
>Gnosticism is just a polite word for Satanism, when you think about it.
yep. that's why it's everywhere in mainstream entertainment
Anonymous No.723105862 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
SMT
Elder Scrolls
Silent Hill
Legacy of Kain
Anonymous No.723105872 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
don't know if inspired by but this sure has some demiurge vibes. also: one of the best OST ever made
Anonymous No.723106072 [Report] >>723106254 >>723106441
>>723097825
No, TES just rips off Glorantha and it's not based in gnositicism but monomyth garbage and western and some eastern mysticism.
Anonymous No.723106209 [Report]
>>723104474
From the perspective and mindset of a Christian everyone else is Satan, yes we know.
Anonymous No.723106254 [Report] >>723106606
>>723106072
The only thing that reminds me of Gnosticism from TES are the Thalmor and Lorkhan and how they want to end the world.
Anonymous No.723106262 [Report]
>>723097825
This, despite the obvious samefag raging.
Anonymous No.723106363 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Legacy of Kain
This meme explains the whole vibe of the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCZXvblpNSM
Anonymous No.723106441 [Report] >>723107441
>>723106072
>TES just rips off Glorantha
Really? Anything specific?
Anonymous No.723106606 [Report]
>>723106254
The Thalmor are based on the Lunar Way (Imperials) who want to incorporate everything (including everything into their goddess) and ascend to become gods among other things.
Lorkhan might be more original, since he seems like a mix of Trickster and Ymir, but I haven't actually bothered looking into all the gods of Glorantha because there's like ten full books of them.
Incidentally the whole Imperial vs Norsemen deal in Skyrim is straight out of Glorantha (Lunars vs Sartarites) except they offloaded all the evil of the Imperials, like feeding people to chaos demons, on the elves which is why it doesn't jive with earlier TES lore much.
Anonymous No.723106667 [Report]
It's also heavily influenced by Persian religious thought. I can recommend Hans Jonas's The Gnostic Religion and Ioan Couliano's The Tree of Gnosis for the interested. David Lindsay A Voyage to Arcturus will also give you the gist it's an early 20th C gnostic fantasy novel that inspired Tolkien and CS Lewis
It's a pretty sterile belief system if you ask me, basically just late antique nihilism flavoured with neoplatonism and middle eastern mystery religions. Doesn't offer any kind of insight that can help you
Anonymous No.723106710 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Parappa the rapper
Anonymous No.723106868 [Report]
>>723104862
>you can read the story and words but not truly 'understand' them, you have to fundamentally believe that your real self is not here, it is as a part of God as much as you believe that 1+1=2
I was able to follow up until here. Could you/someone please elaborate?
Anonymous No.723106881 [Report]
>>723099909
Lorkhan is perceived as evil by the Elves, thoughalbeit. From their point of view, he's evil but from a human's point of view, he's a pretty cool guy. Which is also why the Thalmor absolutely hate humans, since to them, humans are literally the children of evil.
Anonymous No.723106986 [Report] >>723107303 >>723111239
>>723100570
Is that why God is a completely different character between the Old Testament and New Testament?
Anonymous No.723107036 [Report] >>723107140 >>723107562
>>723099708
Anonymous No.723107140 [Report]
>>723107036
Do you ever wonder if theologians were just autistic?
Anonymous No.723107303 [Report]
>>723106986
he's really not
Anonymous No.723107330 [Report] >>723107873
>>723105526
How is that supposed to debunk anything? Gnostic Christianity accepts Jesus the savior and the true good god. Jesus does not appear in the old testament, so saying the god of the old testament is a different false evil god has no effect on Jesus.
Anonymous No.723107434 [Report]
>>723100570
>escape
>instead of fighting back
Running is for pussies.
Anonymous No.723107441 [Report]
>>723106441
Yes, like a good 60% of the setting (the original is from an AD&D setting though). Rolston and others were freelancer on Runequest before they worked on TES. He also admits that was the core influence, particularly for Morrowind. (but frankly I think Skyrim steals almost as much it's just worse about implementing it)

For example the Dragonbreak in Daggerfall, the whole Red Mountain unreliable narrator bits and Tiber Septim's multiple backgrounds is very heavily glorantha-inspired. Very derived from Arkat, Agrath, the Glorious Reascent of Yelm, the Red Moon Goddess (re-?)ascending to a God and thus always being one (same how Vivec and the others act like they always were gods because Glorantha's Godtime which Gods inhabit is "outside of time") etc as they were portrayed right up until the latest editions when they got tired of juggling the many versions.

I can't be arsed to go back and find all the stuff because it's been ages since I last played a TES game but if you want a couple of examples:
The Dwemer are the Mostali almost 1:1 except for the looks which they stole from Warhammer Fantasy.
Skyrim's central conflict is Glorantha's core central conflict except done worse.
CHIM is Glorantha's Illumination.

There's undoubtedly way more but honestly I stopped caring about both ages ago.
Anonymous No.723107446 [Report]
>>723101627
Yes it does. The Didache, Essene Gospel of Peace. Teachings of Jesus.
Anonymous No.723107475 [Report] >>723107809 >>723107831 >>723108059 >>723113582
>>723099708
DUDE LIFE IS SUFFERING LMAO
Anonymous No.723107508 [Report] >>723107598 >>723111314
>>723100662
>Hell the biggest surviving Gnostic religion today
which one is that?
Anonymous No.723107562 [Report] >>723107615
>>723107036
the last time I saw this the person didn't have part 2
you got it?
Anonymous No.723107598 [Report]
>>723107508
Mandaeism
Anonymous No.723107615 [Report] >>723107652
>>723107562
there's no part 2, the rest is just more or less old testament stuff anyway
Anonymous No.723107652 [Report]
>>723107615
fug, someone else sure led me on then
Anonymous No.723107663 [Report]
>>723100689
because he is not the omnipresence omnipotent petty kike god that demands worship from you.
Anonymous No.723107736 [Report]
>>723105106
both
Anonymous No.723107809 [Report] >>723107897
>>723107475
That forest is full of mauled animal corpses btw.
Anonymous No.723107831 [Report] >>723107979
>>723107475
>the exact moment the image was taken, untold billions of lifeforms are struggling and dying and untold trillions more in the course of time concerning everything in frame
>this is fine
archonic fingers typed this post
Anonymous No.723107835 [Report]
Anonymous No.723107845 [Report] >>723111898
>>723097650 (OP)
Xenogears
Anonymous No.723107873 [Report] >>723108048
>>723107330
>Jesus does not appear in the old testament
He does though. In Daniel 3:25 for example. It's full of prophecies of His coming too. Regardless, God the Father and Jesus are one, and if Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then the argument of the OT and the NT God being different falls apart immediately. And no, gnosticism does not say the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ but through one's own deeds, just like every religion on Earth except for Christianity
Anonymous No.723107885 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Unironically Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail, pretty much on the nose
Anonymous No.723107897 [Report]
>>723107809
Oh, so the forest is full of satisfied beings with full bellies?
Anonymous No.723107942 [Report] >>723108061
>>723104868
>in judaism the Ein Sof is real god and the bible god would be your demiurge
There is no evil false god in Judaism and there is no space to headcanon his existence either unlike Christianity where you could split off the old testament god from the new testament god. Ein Sof is the god that can't be comprehended and thus isn't even mentioned in the torah. What is refered to as god in the torah are the aspects of Ein Sof that can be comprehended. But it is the same god. There is no evil false god here.
>You think "Kabbala" is seperate thought from judaism and it isnt
No I don't and I never implied this.
Anonymous No.723107979 [Report]
>>723107831
>can u like... think of ze bugs n amobea n shiet?...
DUDE WEED
Anonymous No.723108036 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Cyberpunk 2077 and Assassin’s Creed
Anonymous No.723108048 [Report] >>723108217
>>723107873
>And no, gnosticism does not say the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ
Doesn't mean he's suddenly not the savior if he still has divine revelations that the people need.
Anonymous No.723108059 [Report] >>723108214 >>723108631
>>723107475
Anonymous No.723108061 [Report]
>>723107942
>where you could split off the old testament god from the new testament god
wrong
Anonymous No.723108195 [Report]
>>723101926
Gnosticism predates modern Judaism by about 600 years
Anonymous No.723108214 [Report] >>723108520 >>723108631
>>723108059
I'm so tired of it all. Life is just chaos and murder I don't know how a loving god could have created this
Anonymous No.723108217 [Report] >>723109552
>>723108048
literally does. islam pretends to hold Jesus in high regard too, does not mean anything in the end if they also believe in having to add onto Jesus' sacrifice to get saved

Matthew 7
>13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Anonymous No.723108334 [Report]
>>723097825
spbp
Anonymous No.723108429 [Report] >>723108723 >>723111473
>>723100570
Makes zero sense, Jesus didn't think the OT God was evil and was specifically fulfilling prophecies based on OT prophets that worshiped the OT God
Taking the OT out of the NT leads it to make no sense
Anonymous No.723108442 [Report] >>723108906
Anonymous No.723108520 [Report] >>723108631
>>723108214
Or the fact that no religion can answer the age old question of why are children suffering, or being born with horrible diseases, without resorting to massive amounts of cope. ''I-IT'S JUST GODS PLAN FOR TIMMY TO SUFFER SHUT UP!''
Anonymous No.723108631 [Report] >>723108782 >>723108869 >>723109168
>>723108059
>>723108214
>>723108520
>if God real why bad things happen
are you literally 15?
Anonymous No.723108723 [Report]
>>723108429
Gnostics didn't use the exact same new testament as Christians today. They had different gospels and ignored most content of other books or flat out rejected them completely.
Anonymous No.723108782 [Report] >>723108971 >>723108978 >>723108981 >>723109024 >>723109649 >>723109885
>>723108631
>2300 years later
>Still has not been refuted
How did he do it?
Anonymous No.723108797 [Report] >>723108879
To be honest gnosticism sounds a lot like the weird folk Buddhism you find in Tibet, Japan and Bhutan

Bhutanese saint Drukpa Kunley, known as the "Divine Madman". His "magic thunderbolt" was his penis, which he used in legends to defeat demons and bring blessings, leading to a tradition of painting phalluses on homes as symbols of good luck and fertility.
Kunley's penis was known as the "Thunderbolt of Flaming Wisdom".
In legends, it was used to subdue demons and demonesses.
This power is said to be able to awaken unenlightened beings if you let him use it on you.
He used shocking and humorous methods, including bawdy behavior and sexual innuendo, to teach Buddhism.
His teachings encouraged people to embrace their natural desires and not take life too seriously.
The Chimi Lhakhang temple, built in his honor, features many phallic symbols and is a popular site for childless couples seeking blessings.

According to Buddha
“It is better for you to have put your manhood in the mouth of a venomous snake or a pit of burning charcoal than a woman.”

"Women are insatiable in respect of two things: sex and motherhood; so insatiable that they cannot free themselves from these cravings before death."

"Seducers and astute, they destroy the noble life."

The Buddha is reported to have allowed women into the sangha only with great reluctance, predicting that the move would lead to Buddhism's collapse after 500 years, rather than the 1,000 years it would have enjoyed otherwise.

Women are not considered as a complete entity in Buddhism. Their body is not considered fit to attain enlightenment and become Buddha. There is a concept that women are not complete until they attain enlightenment to become reborn as a man. It is clearly stated in the Bahudhatuka-sutta that there could never be a female Buddha.

In some schools of Tibetan Buddhism there are a handful of sexual rites performed between monks and nuns, but it is an uncommon practice.
Anonymous No.723108852 [Report]
>>723098861
Gnosticism isn't real. It's a psyop
Anonymous No.723108869 [Report] >>723108949
>>723108631
Yes, that's the strawman version of it.
It's more like "the basic guarantee of existing is suffering, pleasure/enjoyment is a negation of the suffering, why would God create a world where the guaranteed aspect of nature is suffering and any negation of it is temporary" etc.
NTA, but this is probably a better concept to try to respond to, nobody is saying "durr I stubbed my toe WHERE IS GOD"
Anonymous No.723108879 [Report]
>>723108797
In the pre-Meiji period, nanshoku (男色) relationships inside Buddhist monasteries were typically pederastic. The older partner, or nenja (念者, "lover" or "admirer"), would be a monk, priest or abbot, while the younger partner was assumed to be an acolyte (稚児, chigo), who would be a prepubescent or adolescent boy. The relationship would be dissolved once the boy reached adulthood (or left the monastery). Both parties were encouraged to treat the relationship seriously and conduct the affair honorably, and the nenja might be required to write a formal vow of fidelity
Anonymous No.723108906 [Report]
>>723108442
It's no different than abyssal fish swimming into the light, only to get devoured by a literal monster. It's a good lesson to NOT fucking trust any being that shows to you, at your most vulnerable and confused state.
Anonymous No.723108920 [Report] >>723109015
>>723097650 (OP)
hylics and talos principle are probably the best examples. fromsoft makes little nods to gnosticism (as well as hermeticism) here and there, but it's subtle and more of an implication. elder scrolls devs probably think they're making "gnostic" themed games, but don't really seem to understand anything about it other than "god mean."
actual gnosticsim, hermeticism, and Chambers-esque cosmic horror are all criminally unexplored concepts in gaming.
Anonymous No.723108924 [Report] >>723110737
Is Yakub the craziest story to come out of Abrahamic mythology?
Anonymous No.723108949 [Report] >>723109168 >>723109203 >>723109470 >>723111109
>>723108869
>why would God create
he initially created it with none of that. you'd know that if you'd read the first 3 chapters of the Book you're criticizing
Anonymous No.723108971 [Report]
>>723108782
Being right will have that effect
Anonymous No.723108978 [Report]
>>723108782
oof youre gonna make a lot of kikeworshippers angry with this one
Anonymous No.723108981 [Report] >>723109113 >>723109135
>>723108782
Buddhism says the concept of evil is an illusion that doesn't exist you only think it exists.

Nihilism says there is no such thing as evil because it is a made up concept to control the masses
Anonymous No.723109015 [Report] >>723109131
>>723108920
>Chambers
What's the first name?
Anonymous No.723109024 [Report]
>>723108782
who, Epicurus? he never did. you're sharing a lie lmao
Anonymous No.723109113 [Report] >>723110805
>>723108981
>the concept of evil is an illusion that doesn't exist you only think it exists.
Those Africans crucifying little cats and laughing at their pain is just le illusion maaaan...
Anonymous No.723109131 [Report] >>723109290
>>723109015
Robert W. Chambers, author of The King in Yellow.
Anonymous No.723109135 [Report] >>723109525
>>723108981
so both ultimately boil down to do as thou wilt mentality. waow, very impressive
Anonymous No.723109168 [Report]
>>723108631
>>723108949
>you did the thing i said not to?
>BAAAAH I AM ANGRY AT YOU FOREVER
is god literally 15?
Anonymous No.723109203 [Report] >>723109424
>>723108949
Sure
So now the question would be "why allow the world you created to now be based around guaranteed suffering" etc
The whole system of existence must have changed after the fall for the concept of suffering being a guarantee to be the case so I would assume God did that, what else has the power to radically change how everything functions?
Anonymous No.723109290 [Report] >>723110854
>>723109131
Essential Chambers-esque media?
Anonymous No.723109410 [Report]
Can we all agree we shouldn't blame the guy?
He is just like us
Anonymous No.723109424 [Report] >>723109507
>>723109203
read the Book, it's literally all there. I recommend the King James translation
Anonymous No.723109434 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Dragon's Dogma yet considering the ending. Also Slay the Princess (Narrator/Princess/Player), Rance (Ludo), the entire Falcomverse (The Beyond), Pathfinder, DND, Alan Wake, Control. The list goes on and on. There's a ton of Gnostic influence in modern media.
The idea of flawed creator Gods being the masters of the main characters' physical universe is almost pervasive of a concept in storytelling as the Hero's journey or flood myths.
Anonymous No.723109470 [Report] >>723109532
>>723108949
>why would God create
This is actually an interesting question. Why does god create anything? He has no reason to.
Anonymous No.723109507 [Report] >>723109632
>>723109424
>read this version with the archaic english nobody understands anymore
lul
Anonymous No.723109525 [Report]
>>723109135
The many different moral systems adopted by atheists are in reality not much different than religions. In fact, Max Stirner, saw secular morality as nothing more than a new religion.
Which Nietzsche also refers to as Western Buddhism.

Take for example the Genealogy of Morals, the third essay What is the Meaning of Aesthetic Ideals.
It specifically addresses the idea that freedom requires a freedom from truth.
It's no more or less crazy than anything else.

"The 'absolute idea' in Hegelian philosophy, which again in manifold refractions split into the different ideas of philanthropy, reasonableness, civic virtue, and so on. The philosophers of our time say concepts are to decide everywhere, concepts to regulate life, concepts to rule.
To which Hegel gave a systematic expression, bringing method into the nonsense and completing the conceptual precepts into a rounded, firmly-based dogmatic. Everything is sung according to concepts and the real man, I, am compelled to live according to these conceptual laws."

According to Nihilism there is no meaning to the universe so trying to create meaning out of the meaningless is retarded and these absurd concepts only exists to do others can impose their will on others or force people to comply.
Anonymous No.723109532 [Report] >>723110085
>>723109470
why not?
Anonymous No.723109552 [Report] >>723109787 >>723109793
>>723108217
Christcuckery was just Jewish -shops to control low-IQ cattle goyim, and it officially died in like 1801 when Napoleon buckbroke the Vatican
Anonymous No.723109587 [Report]
>>723099978
The real god works through agents like Jesus. In gnostic tradition, it is believed that the demiurge was created by the Sophia, and the Sophia was an aspect of the monad (aka god). The Sophia basically fucked up and created the demiurge, who went on to create the material world using parts of Sophia’s spirit, believing itself to be the true god as it was incapable of perceiving higher planes of existence. According to gnostics, the serpent in the garden of Eden was Christ trying to save our souls from the demiurge through the gift of knowledge. Gnostics believe that enlightenment is the only way to help the soul escape and rejoin the Sophia, and once all the souls rejoin the Sophia, the Sophia can return to the monad.
Anonymous No.723109632 [Report] >>723109776
>>723109507
I'm an esl and can understand it without problems. sure, some words have to be looked up but no pain no gain; sounds like a skill issue
Anonymous No.723109649 [Report]
>>723108782
>things that send you to hell = bad
>things that send you to heaven = good
It’s like saying concepts like healthy and unhealthy are arbitrary
Anonymous No.723109776 [Report] >>723109894
>>723109632
it's more about how there are plenty of words that have different meanings from how they are used today
you've probably skipped over parts without even thinking it had a different meaning because you knew the word but didn't know how it was previously used
it unironically needs a study guide to get the proper meaning from it because misunderstandings will abound otherwise
Anonymous No.723109787 [Report]
>>723109552
yeah bro Christianity is all a 5000iq 10d chess move by kikes... and yeah, it's Christians who atschkually venerate kikes here, not those that share your beliefs. never go full retard lmao
Anonymous No.723109793 [Report] >>723109973 >>723109989
>>723109552
Islam will dominate Inshallah
Anonymous No.723109885 [Report] >>723111298 >>723111697
>>723108782
man invented evil as a consequence of free will
Anonymous No.723109894 [Report] >>723110417
>>723109776
list a few of those words and let's go over the verses I misunderstood completely because of KJV's word usage
Anonymous No.723109973 [Report] >>723110192
>>723109793
you're waiting for the antichrist along kikes

1 John 2
>22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also
Anonymous No.723109989 [Report]
>>723109793
This but unironically.
Anonymous No.723110085 [Report] >>723110215
>>723109532
Because doing anything requires impulse. God would have to get the idea to create from somewhere and then also be convinced that he should create and not dismiss this idea. But there should be nothing that can influence him if he's truly almighty and existed before anything else.
Anonymous No.723110192 [Report] >>723110391 >>723111454
>>723109973
>you're waiting for the antichr-ACK
Muslims don't put up with atheist's shit. We both know you're too scared to say that to a Muslim's face in person. Lmao
Anonymous No.723110215 [Report] >>723110823
>>723110085
>God would have to get the idea to create from somewhere
wrong. you're applying limitations set upon creation on the creator
Anonymous No.723110391 [Report] >>723110869
>>723110192
you literally are waiting for the antichrist though. I like how your counterrgument is some impotent schoolyard threat. get saved instead of whatever you think you're doing

John 3
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Anonymous No.723110417 [Report] >>723110789
>>723109894
Acts 26:11
>compelled being used as a translation of anagkazo
>archaically, compelled meant to threaten or push someone to do something
>today it means successfully forcing someone to do something
just one example, there are plenty though
some generate pretty crazy misunderstandings in the case of dispensationalism, there was one about the "splitting" of the covenant or something similar that doesn't actually mean splitting as in dividing, trying to remember where that one was
Anonymous No.723110646 [Report]
>>723098221
Unironically its freemasonry. The four teletubbies represent:
> Purple: Cups (Water).
> Red: Wands (Fire).
> Yellow: Coins (Earth).
> Green: Swords (Air).
You can figure out which demonic entity they are supposed to be based on that.
Anonymous No.723110737 [Report]
>>723108924
its certainly one of the funniest
Anonymous No.723110772 [Report]
>>723099627
nope. gnostic are the evil of this setting.
Anonymous No.723110789 [Report] >>723111026
>>723110417
>anagkazo
are you a Greek scholar/Greek first language? I'm not, so this is worthless to me. regardless, I fail to see how these semantics change these verses to the point o leading to a misunderstanding big enough to matter; the examples you provided do not change the message at all as the context remains intact
Anonymous No.723110805 [Report]
>>723109113
Well, africans do only exist because we allow them to...
Anonymous No.723110823 [Report] >>723110901
>>723110215
But if god created us he must have thought about us before we existed. Before we even existed the mere concept of us already influenced the almighty being into creating us. God served us by creating us.
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Anonymous No.723110854 [Report] >>723110953 >>723111031
>>723109290
True Detective season 1, Signalis, anything related to the Frenzied Flame/Hornsent in Elden Ring, Alan Wake/Control. Decent amount of books too if you like to read, Ambrose Bierce's work, and most of Lovecraft's stories and related media are building off of Chamber's concepts. Basically, any media incorporating a dead god worshipped by a cult, the kingdom of said god existing on another plane of existence, or a work of art that can't be experienced without deadly consequences is probably going to give the same vibe.
Anonymous No.723110869 [Report] >>723110970
>>723110391
A prominent American blogger of Bangladeshi origin has been hacked to death with machetes by unidentified assailants in Dhaka, after he allegedly received threats from Islamists.

The body of Avijit Roy, founder of the Mukto-Mona (Free-mind) blog site – which champions liberal secular writing in the Muslim-majority nation – was found covered in blood after an attack that also left his wife critically wounded.

Islam will deal with you too, inshallah
Anonymous No.723110901 [Report] >>723111805
>>723110823
your point being?
Anonymous No.723110905 [Report]
>>723099708
Basically, what if reality as you know it is fake and the ability to perceive the truth was stolen from you and everybody else by an idiot god, but by hgdsafhdsfjadfi you can regain your ability to perceive beyond the veil and thus escape the banal evils of this false reality and basdasdafghsdf
Anonymous No.723110953 [Report]
>>723110854
>Alan Wake/Control
These are more Lynchian, t b h.
Anonymous No.723110970 [Report] >>723111050
>>723110869
>doubles down on impotent threats over telling him what his religion's endgame is
very impressive. caveman mentality
Anonymous No.723111026 [Report] >>723111439
>>723110789
Here is the other one I was thinking of, much better example too, 2 Timothy 2:15
>Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Dividing here doesn't mean to "split" or even to distribute or something similar. The Greek "orthotomeo" means to handle something rightly or righteously. Dispies have told me it refers to the dividing of the "Word" or the "Covenant" of God to both Jews and Gentiles. Complete misunderstanding.
>are you a Greek scholar/Greek first language?
No, but that's what the NT was originally written in. It isn't worthless to you. If you're serious about studying the Bible, you're gonna be referencing the Greek a lot, doesn't matter what translation you use. Every translation can twist the meaning a bit.
Anonymous No.723111031 [Report]
>>723110854
Awesome thanks. I bought The King in Yellow a while back but don't think I ever read it. Guess I should get on that.
Anonymous No.723111050 [Report] >>723111151
>>723110970
Again your courage only comes from behind a screen. In person you'd shrink away or get dealt with.
Anonymous No.723111109 [Report]
>>723108949
>sorry, but my prototype human wanted to know more about the world so you all basically forced me to punish you for eternity
why am i supposed to like this guy?
Anonymous No.723111151 [Report] >>723111231
>>723111050
mighty projection bud. whatever helps you sleep at night I guess
Anonymous No.723111231 [Report] >>723111681
>>723111151
Explain how it's projection when London and Paris have already come under Sharia law?
Anonymous No.723111239 [Report]
>>723106986
Yes.
Anonymous No.723111298 [Report] >>723111408 >>723111671
>>723109885
if God foresaw that man would create evil but chose not to interfere then he is still responsible for all evil
if he didn't foresee that then lol lmao
Anonymous No.723111314 [Report] >>723111384
>>723107508
Islam is technically an offshoot.
Anonymous No.723111384 [Report]
>>723111314
Shut your fucking mouth, kaffir
Anonymous No.723111387 [Report] >>723111890
What are some esoteric religions/philosophies that have untapped potential in media?
Anonymous No.723111408 [Report] >>723111627
>>723111298
>bro just don't give us free will
>Then its not real Love
>nah bro it totally is just do it
retard
Anonymous No.723111439 [Report] >>723111912
>>723111026
have you actually looked into the credentials of those that translated it into English for the KJV? convinced me to use it, and again - I fail to see how these semantics cause a complete misunderstanding here?
Anonymous No.723111454 [Report] >>723111596 >>723111796
>>723110192
muslims aren't violent because of their religion, they're violent because they are brown and brown people will take any excuse to commit violence against the innocent
Anonymous No.723111473 [Report]
>>723108429
Jesus was speaking to retarded desert dwellers in terms they understood. “Hey, you know your God, yeah he sent me. Now I am going to teach you what that God totally wants you to know. What’s that? It sounds nothing like that war god you worship? Don’t worry about it.”
Anonymous No.723111486 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Mine but it isn’t done yet
Anonymous No.723111517 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Literally Xenosage / Xenogears
Anonymous No.723111541 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Genshin Impact.
Anonymous No.723111562 [Report] >>723111647 >>723111662 >>723111915 >>723112147 >>723112203 >>723112376 >>723113275 >>723114076 >>723115430 >>723115697
tarot reader here, ask me anything and i'll give you a reading. idc how retarded what you're asking is, i'll read anything
Anonymous No.723111596 [Report]
>>723111454
Only violent against the unbeliever and those who will not submit to Allah's will.
Anonymous No.723111627 [Report] >>723111723
>>723111408
why can't God create a universe with free will and without evil? is it not within his power to do so? just because it's impossible in our universe doesn't mean it should be for an all-powerful being
is it truly impossible to imagine a world without suffering?
Anonymous No.723111647 [Report] >>723111778
>>723111562
How retched will the shit i take in 3 days be?
Anonymous No.723111662 [Report] >>723111778
>>723111562
Why do I wipe my ass so hard eventually blood shows on the toilet paper?
Anonymous No.723111671 [Report]
>>723111298
The Catholic Bible claims that God explicitly regretted even making man calling it a mistake right he decides to drown everyone.
Anonymous No.723111681 [Report] >>723111835
>>723111231
you claiming I'm allegedly "posturing" - despite merely telling you what your own book talks about the messiah you're waiting for along kikes - only because I'm behind a screen is projection; it you who is sending some pathetic threats my way and because your ilk was brought in by traitors/atheiats and is parasiting off of the local population as if that were some sort of flex lmao
Anonymous No.723111697 [Report]
>>723109885
Then why didn't God make a world where free will can be invented but evil cannot be?
I'm willing to accept a creator deity but I'm unwilling to see it as ultimately benevolent when I can look out the window and witness human beings hurting themselves and each other, unintentionally, as a consequence of their perpetual struggle to exist.
Why build a social creature and then render it unable to ever fully understand or connect properly? Why give it only the ability to poke and prod in the dark, to see the shape of another's soul only at a great remove, tainted by misconception and fear?
It just feels wrong to me. We shouldn't be so bound by skin.
Anonymous No.723111723 [Report] >>723111780
>>723111627
>is it truly impossible to imagine a world without suffering?
With free will? Yes. The entire point is the choices you make
Anonymous No.723111778 [Report]
>>723111647
17 - the star
it won't be that bad of a shit, if anything it'll feel good
>>723111662
5 of swords, 0 - the fool
because you're paranoid of having shit left on your asshole. do the contrary and don't wipe at all, take a shower to clean yourself completely instead
Anonymous No.723111780 [Report] >>723111840 >>723111896
>>723111723
then God is not all-powerful
Anonymous No.723111796 [Report]
>>723111454
Shalom, rabbi!
Anonymous No.723111805 [Report] >>723111971
>>723110901
We influence an almighty being and have power over him.
Anonymous No.723111835 [Report] >>723112062
>>723111681
You're posturing because you know you'd be too afraid to say this to a person's face.
The Injeel is corrupted so who cares what it says?
Islam will dominate. It's only a matter of time.
Anonymous No.723111840 [Report] >>723111983
>>723111780
okay, and?
Anonymous No.723111890 [Report] >>723111993
>>723111387
Caodaism
Anonymous No.723111896 [Report] >>723111983
>>723111780
>either God does things MY way or he's not powerful
lmoa
Anonymous No.723111898 [Report]
>>723100690
>>723107845
>>723100690
>Deus was meant to be called Yahweh
Soul.
Anonymous No.723111912 [Report]
>>723111439
Are you joking?
You don't see the difference between "dividing up" and "rightly handling"?
Anonymous No.723111915 [Report] >>723112009
>>723111562
Is it worth making more of an effort to reach out to them?
Anonymous No.723111971 [Report]
>>723111805
good luck with that I guess
Anonymous No.723111983 [Report] >>723112098 >>723112283
>>723111840
then he isn't God
>>723111896
allowing evil to exist when he can prevent it is evil
Anonymous No.723111989 [Report]
>>723099978
Historical Gnosticism also usually came with this huge celestial hierarchy where the actual perfect God essence is -very- distant from the physical plane.

Some emanations of it are responsible for Jesus and other sources of spiritual knowledge, but it isn't directly interacting with the living world at all.

That said, another point of most old historical Gnostics that gets ignored in most modern takes is that only -some- people actually have souls to be saved. That's how the Gnostic cults tried to defend all the supposed quotes where Jesus talks about the God of the Jews like it were his God. He only gave "true" knowledge to his "true" followers (which vary depending on the source) because most humans are just soulless beings that die with their meat and only a few actually have souls with the divine spark from the higher realms, so his "true message" was only given to the chosen few (The most famous example of this nowadays is probably the Gospel of Judas).
Anonymous No.723111993 [Report] >>723112636
>>723111890
I live about an hour away from an abandoned Caodaist temple in Dallas. You can go inside it and everything, it's super cool.
Anonymous No.723112009 [Report] >>723112194
>>723111915
5 - the hierophant
yes, but be 'normal' about it. you just want to hang out, don't imply further intentions
Anonymous No.723112062 [Report] >>723112192
>>723111835
say what? the truth? what your book describes as the messiah is what the Holy Bible describes as the antichrist? are you saying the only reaction of your brethren to the truth about their religion is a chimpout? LOL
Anonymous No.723112098 [Report] >>723112158
>>723111983
>then he isn't God
Yes he is
Anonymous No.723112119 [Report] >>723112334
>r/atheism when you criticize Islam
Anonymous No.723112147 [Report] >>723112569
>>723111562
Hit me
Are you doing inverted cards and shit as well or what
Anonymous No.723112158 [Report] >>723112247
>>723112098
a being that has limitations is not God
Anonymous No.723112192 [Report] >>723112430 >>723112979 >>723113165
>>723112062
That's right you'll be killed or converted.
Simple as

It doesn't matter what a kaffir thinks.
Anonymous No.723112194 [Report]
>>723112009
Noted
Anonymous No.723112203 [Report] >>723112428 >>723112569 >>723112657
>>723111562
Two questions
Is this tarot card shit even legit?
Am I ever gonna get married?
Anonymous No.723112247 [Report]
>>723112158
Wrong
Anonymous No.723112283 [Report] >>723112514 >>723113029
>>723111983
he gave humans free will. what they do with it is their responsibility. he warned people he will judge everyone in the end so nobody's getting away scot free
Anonymous No.723112334 [Report] >>723112457
>>723112119
r/atheism hates Islam because it's mysogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic.
Anonymous No.723112376 [Report] >>723112660
>>723111562
I bit my lip and keep poking it with my tounge but it doesn't help any.
Anonymous No.723112428 [Report]
>>723112203
>Is this tarot card shit even legit?
Anonymous No.723112430 [Report] >>723112531
>>723112192
>if you tell the truth... ve vill convince you to believe a lie or kill you
lmao aight man have fun ruling over the ashes
Anonymous No.723112457 [Report]
>>723112334
>because it's mysogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic
Based Islam
Anonymous No.723112514 [Report] >>723112682
>>723112283
>he gave humans free will
If God is all knowing then free will is a bit paradoxical, isn't it? Because God will already know every action that an individual will take.
Anonymous No.723112531 [Report] >>723112602
>>723112430
Have fun being the ashes I rule over, inshallah
Anonymous No.723112569 [Report] >>723112835 >>723113489
>>723112147
yeah i do inverted cards. i also use a divination coin to know how many cards to pull out
6 - the lovers, ace of cups
you're gonna fall in love, should be smooth sailing just don't let it go to your head too much
>>723112203
for the first question:
queen of wands
it's a social tool, emotions applied to passion. i could be a cult leader and/or make a shitton of money but i'm too autistic for that so i just use it as a social crutch
for the second question:
page of swords, 5 of swords reversed
if you focus on getting physical security through money and whatnot, yes. otherwise you're fooling yourself
Anonymous No.723112602 [Report] >>723112680
>>723112531
hahahah
Anonymous No.723112636 [Report] >>723112858
>>723111993
What were those guys doing in Texas lmao
Anonymous No.723112657 [Report]
>>723112203
It's a decent exercise for introspection even if you don't believe in fate and fortune. It makes you really think through events and questions in your life.
Anonymous No.723112660 [Report]
>>723112376
2 of swords
stop fucking with it, don't touch it
Anonymous No.723112680 [Report] >>723112772
>>723112602
Laughing so you won't cry. Typical kaffir
Know that Islam will rule over you
Anonymous No.723112682 [Report] >>723114270
>>723112514
and?
>inb4 knowing what someone will do deprives them from being able to make the choice
calvinism is retarded
Anonymous No.723112772 [Report] >>723112809
>>723112680
cringe
Anonymous No.723112809 [Report]
>>723112772
Enough about your life, kaffir
Anonymous No.723112835 [Report] >>723112998
>>723112569
Are the dangers I'm imagining really there, and if so, should I address them proactively now, or wait and play it by ear
Anonymous No.723112858 [Report]
>>723112636
No idea. There doesn't really seem to be much about it, you can read a bit about it here.
https://www.dees-stribling.com/2019/02/25/the-cao-dai-tay-ninh-temple-of-dallas/
Anonymous No.723112979 [Report] >>723113085
>>723112192
>are you saying the only reaction of your brethren to the truth about their religion is a chimpout?
>das rite
that's all I needed to know LOL
Anonymous No.723112995 [Report]
>>723102760
>i have no idea what it makes some people so mad to discuss it.
same reason reason buddhism gets people butthurt
its a threat to their entire way of life
its basically giving the entire world and god (of soi) and everything the middle finger and telling them to eat shit
human soiciety will either die or change (ruh roh) if enough people start checking out
Anonymous No.723112998 [Report]
>>723112835
king of pentacles reversed, 10 of wands reversed
the dangers aren't really there, you should get help to alleviate the pressure of having to deal with the dangers you perceive
Anonymous No.723113029 [Report] >>723113103
>>723112283
>the apple and god both gave humans free will
Out of all memes free will is the dumbest.
Anonymous No.723113085 [Report]
>>723112979
And you will know Islam will dominate you too, inshallah
Anonymous No.723113103 [Report] >>723113284
>>723113029
They used the free will they already had to eat le apple
Anonymous No.723113165 [Report] >>723113389
>>723112192
If you had to behead a loved one because they refused to convert, and if you refused to do that then you'd be beheaded yourself, how would that make you feel?
Anonymous No.723113275 [Report] >>723113502
>>723111562
Will i ever catch a break so i can stop fucking waging?
Also find love but that one's about as likely as aliens or monstergirls coming over
Anonymous No.723113276 [Report] >>723113701
Pisslam is literally so retarded I have no idea how anyone could believe that shit is real and not just a scam made by an autistic desert warlord to justify his conquest.
Anonymous No.723113284 [Report] >>723113423 >>723113585
>>723113103
And then the apple gave them free will. A perfectly stupid story.
Anonymous No.723113382 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Like every other JRPG where you kill 'god' who's actually the demiurge in all but name.
Anonymous No.723113389 [Report] >>723113584 >>723113660
>>723113165
They get beheaded for apostasy and to save the honour of the family.
Doesn't matter if they're beloved or not. If they leave Islam or bring shame to the family they will die.
Anonymous No.723113423 [Report] >>723113671
>>723113284
it gave them knowledge of good and evil, not free will. are you merely pretending to be retarded, or?
Anonymous No.723113489 [Report] >>723113882
>>723112569
>6 - the lovers, ace of cups
>you're gonna fall in love, should be smooth sailing just don't let it go to your head too much

This is not tarot reading. Zero interpretation

>Petty religious arguing in thread
Zzz how is anyone not bored to death of that by now
Anonymous No.723113502 [Report] >>723113594
>>723113275
for the first question:
the magician reversed, 3 of swords reversed
no, not until you give yourself one somehow.
for the second question:
7 of pentacles
yes, it'll take some time and effort, but it'll be worth it
Anonymous No.723113582 [Report]
>>723107475
>bakpaqpq7mif1.jpg
thank you thinktank government shillbro
Anonymous No.723113584 [Report] >>723113796
>>723113389
nice death cult you got there. very impressive
Anonymous No.723113585 [Report]
>>723113284
Do you even think about what you write? If God told them not to eat the apple and they did it in spite of that, obviously they had free will before eating the apple. Stupid cunt.
Anonymous No.723113594 [Report] >>723113882
>>723113502
>no, not until you give yourself one
already knew that shit
>yes
hah, cards lie
Anonymous No.723113660 [Report] >>723113796
>>723113389
How would your family react if you told them that to them face to face? That you'd behead them for your faith?
Anonymous No.723113671 [Report] >>723113723
>>723113423
Knowledge of good and evil is free will. You may be retarded.
Anonymous No.723113701 [Report] >>723113791
>>723113276
Shalom, rabbi!
Anonymous No.723113723 [Report] >>723114241
>>723113671
no it's not lmao
Anonymous No.723113791 [Report]
>>723113701
>implying they're not both two sides of the same black cube worshipping coin
shalom indeed
Anonymous No.723113796 [Report] >>723114137
>>723113584
And you'll die too if you don't submit.
But keep cowering behind the screen like the cowardly kaffir that you are.
>>723113660
They'd cheer because we are getting rid of an apostate who brought shame to the family.
Anonymous No.723113882 [Report]
>>723113489
ask and ye shall receive. the lovers speaks of the feeling of love, whether it be for friend, lover, or even of something. as for the ace of cups, it speaks of a beginning of a feeling, combined with the lovers i saw no other interpretation than to say that you'll experience an intense kind of love, one that will blossom unexpectedly and suddenly, which is why i mentioned that you ought to not let that go to your head too much, but that seems to be something you got covered
>>723113594
cards lie, diviners lie, oracles lie, mediums lie. all so that you can hear what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. that or it really is all full of shit idk
Anonymous No.723113962 [Report] >>723114078
*ahem*
Video games?
Anonymous No.723114073 [Report]
>>723101926
No you mong, the ideas it contains are not uniquely abrahamic (they resemble a form of Platonism) and they CLEARLY repudiate the old testament (read Jewish) god as a false creator of this sinful world. There is an obviously polemic element directed against the old testament in a lot of Gnostic movements.
>>723104868
Kabbala is a way later movement you infinite faggot. The Zohar was written in the 13th century while all the apocryphal Gnostic gospels were written somewhere around the 4th century. See also Marcion, an even earlier figure who rejected the old testament and all Jewish influence upon early Christianity in a very Gnostic manner.

While I will concede that a lot of aspects of Gnostic Christianity have roots in the faith of the Israelites of the time, due to Christianity having its roots there, but Gnosticism doesn't. It's as retarded as calling the Ajivika belief in atomism or Democritus belief in atomism American because John Dalton believed in something similar. Eat shit and die.
Anonymous No.723114076 [Report] >>723114239
>>723111562
Should I whack off? I haven't coomed for a like a month now
Anonymous No.723114078 [Report]
>>723113962
>/v/
>Video games
Lurk moar
Anonymous No.723114097 [Report]
keked
Anonymous No.723114137 [Report] >>723114582
>>723113796
You're assuming your family's faith is as strong as yours. But most muslims see Islam as a religion of peace and kindness, not as a religion of war mongers and violence. Would you go as far as to kill every single member of your family if they all were unrepenting apostates? Would you go as far as to be on the front lines of war to partake in beheadings firsthand?
Anonymous No.723114239 [Report] >>723114331
>>723114076
page of swords reversed
you shouldn't, you'll feel bad about it afterwards, at least in the manner you'll do it
Anonymous No.723114241 [Report] >>723114375
>>723113723
Original sin is free will and belief in free will is the pelagian heresy.
Anonymous No.723114252 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Why do all this cringe instead of just being an atheist?
Anonymous No.723114270 [Report] >>723114475
>>723112682
if God knows everything that's ever going to happen then free will ceases to exist, and his ability to judge people is basically non-existent
he would have known from the moment he existed that Jim was going into the frozen lake, depriving Jim of any agency he might have had
Anonymous No.723114331 [Report] >>723114456
>>723114239
Damn that's what I was thinking
When am I supposed to coom
Anonymous No.723114375 [Report]
>>723114241
>original sin
what? where is that in the Bible
Anonymous No.723114456 [Report]
>>723114331
4 of wands, 9 - the hermit
try to figure out a way to coom in which you won't feel (as) bad afterward, find a way to be in harmony with your body's needs. some soul searching/introspection will help in that goal
Anonymous No.723114475 [Report] >>723114621 >>723114648
>>723114270
again - just because God knows Jim is going to Hell does not deprive Jim from the choices and agency that lead him there. I am utterly confused by your logic. are you actually being daft on purpose?
Anonymous No.723114582 [Report] >>723114967
>>723114137
You're making up hypothetical situations in your head to cope
Anonymous No.723114593 [Report]
Every other Japanese RPG is inspired by gnosticism. Crymachina, however, feels like it was written with the wikipedia article on it open at all times
Anonymous No.723114621 [Report] >>723114757
>>723114475
so free will is an illusion, got it. jim can choose through the thousands of ways he can go to hell, but there isn't one choice he can make to go to heaven because god made his mind up about that already
Anonymous No.723114648 [Report] >>723114827
>>723114475
the knowledge God possesses of Jim's life from the moment of his existence is a 'thing' that - in theory - existed before Jim ever did
Jim's path is set, his actions cannot deviate from God's expectations
Anonymous No.723114757 [Report] >>723114827 >>723114896 >>723115147
>>723114621
you're misunderstanding how God perceives time if you think him knowing an outcome of somebody's life means he forced this outcome on them. actually read the Bible
Anonymous No.723114827 [Report] >>723114901
>>723114648
you're confused. see: >>723114757
Anonymous No.723114896 [Report] >>723115134
>>723114757
So God squatted down and said hoo boy I'll love watching this Jim boy go to hell.
Anonymous No.723114901 [Report] >>723115134
>>723114827
if God doesn't know everything that is ever going to happen then he isn't God because he is neither all-knowing nor all-powerful
Anonymous No.723114967 [Report] >>723115089 >>723115183
>>723114582
It's called socratic dialogue, I'm asking you philosophical what-ifs to determine your stance. As it turns out, you don't have nearly as much faith as you claim. You wouldn't have the guts to kill your family if you were commanded to. You would die inside if you had to behead dozens of strangers daily. Because you're human, you're not a psychopath. Your faith is stronger in a peaceful Islam, because it responds to your empathetic needs. But the more violent Islam becomes, the weaker your faith will be. Righteousness isn't always bloody, it can be pious.
Anonymous No.723115089 [Report] >>723115158 >>723115431
>>723114967
It's called cope because you don't like what you're hearing and so you have to make excuses for the answers you're getting and come up with scenarios to help you deal with the truth.
Anonymous No.723115134 [Report] >>723115394 >>723115812
>>723114896
so you just want God to be petty and evil huh? here's how God actually feels about the topic

2 Peter 3
>8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
>>723114901
non-sequitur
Anonymous No.723115147 [Report] >>723115394
>>723114757
Romans 9:18-22 (ESV)
>"So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?' But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?"
TL;DR: god can do whatever he wants with you (because he's god, duh), and creates people only to go to hell
Anonymous No.723115158 [Report] >>723115310
>>723115089
every religiousfag ITT really do be like that
Anonymous No.723115183 [Report] >>723115264 >>723115691
>>723114967
>You would die inside if you had to behead dozens of strangers daily.
lol lmao even
Anonymous No.723115264 [Report] >>723115369
>>723115183
>trying this hard to fit in
waow you are soooo edgy!!
Anonymous No.723115310 [Report]
>>723115158
And so does every philosophical, political and atheist.

Nihilism is above that though
Anonymous No.723115369 [Report] >>723115480 >>723115691
>>723115264
>Triggered butthurt response
Guess it worked lmao
Anonymous No.723115394 [Report]
>>723115134
>>723115147
>God wants all to be saved.
>God wants some to go to hell.
Great, what a consistent explanation.
Anonymous No.723115430 [Report] >>723115551
>>723111562
i'm studying history at the uni right now. Is it gonna be worth it in the end?
Anonymous No.723115431 [Report] >>723115496
>>723115089
The scenarios I'm coming up with are things you might have to face, if Islam is to grow as strong as you claim. I'll be on the receiving end of the sword, I won't be the one having to make the decision to end a human life, something you've likely never experienced before. Let me ask you again: Would you kill your entire family, if they were all apostates and you were commanded to kill them? This is not an absurd scenario, worse things have happened in the long history of Islam.
Anonymous No.723115480 [Report] >>723115631
>>723115369
>i was merely pretending to be retarded
waow!
Anonymous No.723115496 [Report] >>723115660 >>723115691
>>723115431
>Grasping at straws
So cope? Got it
Islam will dominate Inshallah
Anonymous No.723115551 [Report] >>723116153
>>723115430
8 of wands reversed, 16 - the tower
it'll be slow and exhausting, and in the end you'll find that your expectations weren't met at all. take this with a grain of salt though, no life experience is wasted in the end
Anonymous No.723115631 [Report] >>723115691
>>723115480
>Yeah your comment made me punch at the air so what? You're pretending to be retarded
NPC projection and damage control?
Like clockwork
Anonymous No.723115660 [Report] >>723115834
>>723115496
You are intellectually dishonest by avoiding my questions. Your faith is weak, you're a pathetic excuse of a Muslim.
Anonymous No.723115691 [Report] >>723115919
>>723115183
>>723115369
>>723115496
>>723115631
samefag
Anonymous No.723115697 [Report] >>723115782
>>723111562
Does my studying of Theology in uni bode well?
Anonymous No.723115782 [Report]
>>723115697
1 - the magician
yes, but don't get lazy or it won't last
Anonymous No.723115812 [Report] >>723115962
>>723115134
>non-sequitur
Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. - Revelation 19:6
I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee - Job 42:2
Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite. - Psalm 147:5
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. - 1 John 3:20

God is very consistently described as knowing everything and possessing omnipotence. On a metaphysical level, if God accurately knows everything that is going to happen from the beginning to the end of time, nobody - arguably even God himself - possesses free will. This is the fundamental, conceptual problem with all-powerful deities; it deprives us all of agency. The universe turns into a script that has already been written. The characters don't get choices, their lines are set in stone.
Anonymous No.723115834 [Report] >>723116115
>>723115660
You're coping because my answers hurt your feelings but a kaffirs feelings don't mean anything.
You keep trying to impose what me or my family should be like in your head.
You're crying because my answers go against the image you created in your head.

Keep crying and coping kaffir
Anonymous No.723115919 [Report]
>>723115691
Never said I wasn't those post lmao
Anonymous No.723115962 [Report]
>>723115812
>The universe turns into a script that has already been written. The characters don't get choices, their lines are set in stone.
Good. That's the way systems operate. Imagine if gravity suddenly had free will.
Anonymous No.723116115 [Report] >>723116174 >>723116241
>>723115834
Repeating 'coping' only proves your incompetence. Shari'ah law will harm Muslims more than it will ever harm the kaffirs, have a trip to Iran and see for yourself.
Anonymous No.723116153 [Report]
>>723115551
>it'll be slow and exhausting
this one was a given
> and in the end you'll find that your expectations weren't met at all.
ok so bad but not apocalyptic, i can work with this. Thanks for the reading fateman.
Anonymous No.723116174 [Report] >>723116241 >>723116243
>>723116115
I accept your concession, kaffir
Keep weeping
Anonymous No.723116241 [Report]
>>723116174
>>723116115
u2 r cute togetha :)
Anonymous No.723116243 [Report] >>723116320
>>723116174
Denial, that is all you're capable of. Allah is ashamed of your behavior, brother.
Anonymous No.723116246 [Report]
>>723097650 (OP)
Dominions
Anonymous No.723116320 [Report] >>723116462
>>723116243
Shia is a false doctrine. Follow Suuni Islam you apostate cry baby
Anonymous No.723116420 [Report]
>>723099708
>Reading the different definitions doesn't really fit what is suggested here
That's because "gnosticism" as we know it is not a distinct singular religion and is actually a collection of various early christian writings that share general ideas.
Anonymous No.723116462 [Report] >>723116517 >>723116691
>>723116320
Not Shia, Sufi. I pray that you come to understand that there's more to the Qu'ran than the violence that has blinded you.
Anonymous No.723116517 [Report] >>723116691
>>723116462
>Sufi
That mystic nonsense?
You should be stoned to death عبيد
Anonymous No.723116691 [Report] >>723116859
>>723116462
>>723116517
is ibadi based or cringe? Druze? Yazidis? Idk they look funny
Anonymous No.723116732 [Report] >>723116935
>>723101976
Why?
Anonymous No.723116859 [Report]
>>723116691
Extremely cringe. They are retards that incorporate mystism into Islamic doctrine. They are apostates and kaffir.

Now it makes sense why that supposed follower of Islam cares about the opinion of kaffir and other infidels.
Death to you apostate
Anonymous No.723116935 [Report] >>723117254
>>723116732
You are an apostate.
You lead the followers of Muhammad to destruction with your false teachings.
Anonymous No.723117254 [Report]
>>723116935
You will never be a real Muslim. You're not in a jihad, you don't live in shari'ah law, you have no arab genes. You are a lonely incel twisted by bitterness into a crude mockery of Muhammad's (PBUH) perfection.
Anonymous No.723117296 [Report]
I don't think you can really have religion in a game at all