Thread 723100894

What went wrong?

>>723100894 (OP)
rectangular prism and not a cube

>>723100894 (OP)
Mogged by ps2™

ps2 was too accessible to Brazilians. Patrician gamers are tragically at the mercy of the unwashed masses.

Effective library was small. Had a stigma so a lot of devs didn't make games for it.

>>723100894 (OP)
- very little online support, but that was bleeding edge at the time for consoles so I can see why they didn't think it was that big a deal.
- worse versions of multiplats in some cases
- missing some third party support that existed on PS2
- not a multimedia box, was only game focused
- small disc media made it difficult to produce full scale games for it, each disc had a 1.03GB size limit
- too "family friendly" and didn't appeal to older "more mature gamers such as myself"

controller gay af

Nothing.

PS2 came out first riding an insane wave of hype, so all devs went for it; other systems were a low priority. Also, Nintendo had a reputation for treating third-parties poorly.

>>723102151
>that pic
And that's where it all went wrong.

here waiting for the shitcubie schizo to sperg out

No DVD
No GTA
No whimsy Nintendo gimmick over the PS2 and Xbox
Console design was too cutesy when people wanted BADASS
Exclusives like Wind Waker did not help beat the "Nintendo is for KIDS" allegations
No killer app on launch and it took a long time for the Gamecube to get a decent library. Luigi's Mansion was a bad launch title

But really the small discs and the lack of DVDs was the big one. The PS2 doubling as a cheap DVD player was simply a genius move that made everyone want one.

All you guys are wrong. The real answer is that Gamecube, just like Dreamcast, tried to keep the Arcade model of gaming around when it was on its death bed.

Notice how the original Xbox is never called a failure despite coming in second place? That's because the Xbox still manage to set trends that influenced all future consoles. First person shooters are bigger than ever, consoles are more like PC-like instead of being these heavily customized monsters, online interactivity became mandatory or forced, etc.

Basically, if Gamecube wanted to succeed then Nintendo would have had to release something that was more "PC-lite" in 2001 instead of trying to be another quirky plug and play box that the N64, SNES and NES tried to be...

wasnt portable
now it is

>>723102981
everyone laugh at this chump who didn't utilize the handle

PS2 was a DVD player and it was the second console running where Nintendo putting out a powerhouse wasn't working
Gamecube controller had fewer buttons than the PS2 and Xbox
Proprietary disc format

>>723102923
Xbox succeeded because it had big plans for online play and great games to back it up. GC flopped because it relied on parents who didn't know any better and padded itself with mediocrity and the market rejected it, being outsold by the Xbox. GC is a decline from a brand that had become synonymous with decline. Super Nintendo gave up ground to Genesis, N64 to PlayStation and Saturn, and now the newcomer surpasses their latest, and also worst selling home console?

>>723100894 (OP)
Launched with Luigi's Mansion

>>723100894 (OP)
tiny, gay DVDs so you can't play movies on it

>>723102697
GTA sucks though. They had shooters like cod for the badass crowd. No need to appeal to the urban market.

>>723102981
>putting X where Y should be, whereas in the gamecube games ergonomically expect it to be the top of the ABXY diamond

Absolutely disgusting.

>>723103224
None of that debunks what I said. In fact, Xbox being closer to PC meant it was very easy to port exclusives like Half Life and Doom to it.

Both Gamecube and PS2 couldn't do that because they were still using the custom and quirky architecture based on past trends.

The PS3 later corrected this when Sony just bolted on a Nvidia GPU, and Nintendo eventually caught up when the Switch finally used off the shelf hardware too.

>>723100894 (OP)
The PS2 just crushed anything in its way. Even the Xbox couldn't stand a chance.

>>723103581
Call of Duty didn't get massive until CoD4, meanwhile GTA San Andreas was literally the best selling game on the PS2 and 3 and Vice City weren't far behind, those games moved consoles more than anything else

>>723103851
See my posts >>723103734 >>723102923

In retrospect the Xbox did force the PS3 and all future Sony consoles to copy it. Look at PS5 today and it has more in common with OG Xbox than PS2...

all the six gen consoles were good but only one could play dvds and cds out of the box, and all your ps1 games.

>>723104058
You just reminded me that you had to buy a little stupid dongle and tv remote to watch movies on Xbox while PS2 just werked. Microsoft has always loved nickle and diming customers with addons

>>723100894 (OP)
Nothing
>Wind Waker
>Twilight Princess
>Metroid Prime 1 and 2
>Resident Evil 4
>REmake
>Melee
>Starfox Assault
>Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
>Mario Kart Double Dash
>Pikmin 1 and 2
>Pokemon Colosseum
>Luigi's Mansion
>Star Wars Rebel Assault 2
>Eternal Darkness
>Chibi Robo

>>723103104
i never used the handle once because i was afraid of damaging the laser by keeping the system not upright

>>723103734
The PS2 is the alien machine, true. But the Gamecube's GPU is basically an early Radeon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArtX

The mini discs really fucked the Gamecube up. Not just because of the lack of DVD, but it also made a lot of multiplats just skip the system. Because they would have to design the game around the small disc sizes while PS2 and Xbox had fullblown DVD sizes. The Gamecube was technically stronger than the PS2 on paper, but Nintendo just had to shoot themselves in the foot to spite pirates as usual.

>>723105135
PS2 was basically doing early concepts of technology microsoft starter standardizing a generation later. Could do some crazy shit with vector units. Gamecube played it really safe and was a little out of date so it only really stood out for its polygon pushing power. Doesn't help much when graphics were becoming more about shaders and special effects.

>>723105135
True, but it was still very obsolete next to Xbox. It was using fixed function shaders when programmable was the future.

It was why the Wii was still seen as less powerful than OG Xbox despite the 50% clockspeed.

>>723105754
Farcry on xbox vs wii is crazy

>>723105594
Ehhh, that's exaggerated. In fact, the first PS2 games actually shipped on CD-ROM. And PC was similar.

A game like GTA 3 should have no problem running on Gamecube when there's an unofficial Dreamcast port for example...

>>723100894 (OP)
The company that owns it

>>723102981
It could have been portable, but you needed to be Richie Rich for it.

>>723107495
These screens are incredibly bad. The only console with a good LCD accessory is the PSOne

>>723100894 (OP)
The N64's best market was North America. The GCN abandoned North America in a pathetic attempt to appeal to Japan. However, Japan was locked down by the PS2 and the Xbox took the N64's NA audience.

>>723102151
Prime fucking nintendo

N64 before, no dvd player. should have had FF10, MGS2 etc

>Make a console with breddy gud hardware
>Force it to use babby discs that can't hold shit
Nintendo was (and still is) fucking retarded.

>>723100894 (OP)
Nothing. It came in 2nd place. Nothing wrong with losing to the mighty PS2.

>>723102151
What's the game on bottom right?

>>723111783
1080 avalanche

>>723111614
The PSP got a lot of PS2 hand me downs despite the smaller discs. Storage space really wasn't that big of a deal in the 2000s.

Also, as I pointed out here >>723106093 there where plenty of PC Games still using CD-Roms back then.

>>723102151
few games in there I'll give you that, but... these random ass sports games? c'mon. you're struggling.

>>723111870
Thanks!

If Nintendo didn't jew out on a proper dvd player and had a standard dual stick layout with 4 shoulder buttons instead of inexplicably having 3 shoulder buttons and a weird face button layout with a giant win button, it would've been fine.

>>723111923
I'm not convinced storage was the issue, open world games seem to be especially horrible on Cube, which is why it didn't get many.

>>723112220
They did make a DVD player actually.
It still flopped.

>>723100894 (OP)
>shitty AI upscale
Really nigga?

>>723112414
That was some niche limited release well after the fact.

Also it needed a good Mario at launch instead of luigi's gay mansion and super Mario janitor edition later in life.

Double dash was a wonky concept as well. Stands to reason that they abandoned that whole concept and never returned to it.

It's odd because it was actually really creative in how it handled the big Nintendo properties, but they were generally bad ideas. The one series they played it safe was smash bros, and as a result is probably the defining Nintendo game on the console.

Zelda aged well as an artstyle, but the game itself wasn't that great.

I remember regretting buying this over the other 2. I missed so many muliplat games. PS2 had some great action games and jrpgs. Xbox had shooters and a bunch of sega games. The Wii was even worse imo.

>>723102151
>dreamcast ports
>ps2 ports
>arcade ports
>and a few bingbingwahoo IPs that no one ever cared about ever again

>>723114215
There's literally only one port there.

>>723114304
There's at least 5
Perhaps an autist can enlighten me if the jetski, starwars, snowboard or center middle left games are ports as well, because I'm pretty sure they are too.
>Resident Evil (2002) is a port/remake of the ps1 game
>Resident Evil 4 is a port of the ps2 version
>Animal Crossing is a port of the n64 game
>Soul Calibur 2 is a port of the Namco System 246 (arcade shit)
>Super Monkey Ball is also arcade portslop

>>723114831
>jetski, starwars, snowboard or center middle left games are ports as well, because I'm pretty sure they are too.
Those are low effort western shovelware.

>Resident Evil 4 is a port of the ps2 version
Jfc

>>723115001
so then they're ps2 ports, got it

>>723100894 (OP)
It had games but it took a long time to get them and the third party support was poor.

>even the xbox has better bing bing wahoos
i feel bad for cubies. shitshine is awful, shartfox adventures is goyslop, and i cant even remember the other platformers lol

>>723115043
Oh no, they're exclusive. So is this.

>>723115016
it is debatable

>>723114831
>Resident Evil (2002) is a port/remake of the ps1 game
Completely different game.
>Resident Evil 4 is a port of the ps2 version
GCN is the original.
>Animal Crossing is a port of the n64 game
It's the definitive version of the game and massively built upon.
>Soul Calibur 2 is a port of the Namco System 246 (arcade shit)
That's the one real port. Better than the PS2 original in every way.
>Super Monkey Ball is also arcade portslop
SMB is a much more complete game than the arcade title.

>>723115162
>Better than the PS2 original in every way.
No lol. Not with that controller.

>>723114831
Retarded, wrong, and faggot take. RE4 first came out on the Gamecube. It was the PS2 that got a shittier looking port later on. RE(2002) is a remake, period. Nice try zoomie nigger.

RE4 Gamcube release: January 11, 2005
RE4 PS2 release: October 25, 2005

>>723115232
Non-issue when you can just use another controller.

re4 is definitely a ps2 games, everyone remembers separate ways and it sold way more over the shitcube's uh....better sound effects??

>>723115232
yes, with that controller. Cope harder

>>723115162
point stands that all of those games started developement from somewhere else and then Shitendo, in a crisis, used tendiebux to get a few exclusives on their shitcube. Gamecube is just a mash of ported, failed, and bought out products plus a few really annoying, gay and retarded sequels to Nintendo IPs. If your allowance only allowed you 1 console you were a fool for ever picking gamecube over Xbox 1 or PS2, and I say that in hindsight as a kid who grew up with a shitcube.

>>723115342
>>723115363
You're using the gamecube analog stick, aren't you?

>>723115352
nah, Gamecube. Sorry Ps2 nigger faggot. I know it hurts but its true.

>>723115352
PS2fags are still coping over the best game on their console being a massively downgraded version of a GCN game. The cutscenes are pre-renders of what the Gamecube can do in real time, how humiliating.

>>723115268
>started developement on PS2 until Nintendo offered a giant bag of cash

>>723115418
skill issues, lol

>>723115440
>>723115436
it's definitively a ps2 game, sold more, more weapons, more costumes, extra campaign, etc no one cares about gfx its a shame the shitcube was so barebones it couldn't play dvds since that's all you care about kek

>>723115440
Shadow of the Colossus isn't a Gamecube game, I'm not even sure it could run on GC. RE4 is yet another generic TPS.

>>723115510
Very non-serious player.

>>723115495
Actually Mikami knew the PS2 was a log of shit and moved RE to Gamecube.

>>723115440
lol, yup. I played the PS2 version after the GNC and it was so fucking obvious it was downgraded up the ass, LOL.

>>723115549
and then RE4 came out on gamecube an it was still shit
still have no idea why that game ever became popular

>>723115549
After the game failed to sell any copies on Cube, he desperately moved it back before he put capcom out of business. A classic strategy.

>>723115543
>Shadow of the Colossus isn't a Gamecube game
The pathetic texture resolution and color meant it could only be a PS2 game.

>>723100894 (OP)
Everything
>dogshit controller missing a second Z button, select button, clickable sticks, and has the worst D-pad known to mankind. it's literally only good for smelee
>no Bully
>no DMC
>no GTA
>no Burnout 3
>no Twistanity
>Budokai capped at 30fps
>no Budokai Tenkaichi
>Wrath of Cortex capped at 30fps
>no Silent Hill
>can't play N64 games like the PS2 can play PS1 games
>can't use N64 controllers like the PS2 can use PS1 controllers
>have to rebuy RE2 and trAnimal Crossing
>no Manhunt
>no Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks
>component cables only sold through select online retailers
>no SSX 1 or Timesplitters 1
>SSX tricky and 3 are missing a quarter of the grabs because the controller is missing 4 top buttons. Just 1 example of the hundreds of games that had their control scheme either gutted or neutered on the shitcube because of the lackluster controller
>can't play DVDs or CDs like PS2 and Xbox
>PS2 and Xbox can play hundreds of games online; shitcube can only play one paid MMO and 3 shitty racing games through a tunneling service
>no Final Fantasy
>draconian DRM through little gay discs and no HDD slot
>half the first party games released by Nintendo are shovelware minigame compilations released under the Mario Party label

>>723115607
more ps2 fag cope, lmao.

>>723115538
Sony fans are so used to downgraded ports they defend them tooth and nail. Makes sense, the consoles really don't have much else.

>>723115675
>worst 3D Mario
>worst Mario Kart
>Paper Mario TTYD has the first tranny character in gaming, and is a straight downgrade in almost every category besides combat systems, which gets overshadowed by how worse the party member movesets are than its predecessor
>worst Mario Tennis and 2nd worst Mario Golf
>worst 3D Zelda (wind waker)
>worst 2D Zelda (FSA)
>turns Metroid into an shitty console FPS with awful shooting mechanics even for the time and only is good when viewed as a platformer
>only has a dogshit remake of MGS that looks worse than MGS2 despite coming out after MGS2
>two of the 3 new first party IP's it introduces, Battalion Wars and Chibi Robo, suck (though the former redeems itself with its Wii sequel)
>its best game first party game, F-Zero GX, had its development outsourced to Sega because Nintendo was too busy shitting the bed that gen by rushing out Luigi's 2 hour hump-dressers-in-a-mansion tech demo and Shit Waker
The gayfaggotniggerprolapsedanuspozzedHIV+cube is a dogshit console, made by retards, loved by trannies, and is carried entirely by the Wii and Dolphin emulator salvaging its pathetic library.

>>723115675
The spergiest anons on this site are always the ones with wall of text copypastas like this.

>>723100894 (OP)
the ps2 was able to do multimedia

>>723115737
*upgraded ports, go watch a movie faggot, i'll be enjoy ada's ass

Gamecube is just a shit version of the Dreamcast. Only reason why Sega failed and Nintendo is because Tendies will eat any slop they are given.

>>723115801
There has never been a port to a Playstation console that was an upgrade. The consistently shitty hardware prevents it.

>>723115748
>>723115675
TRVKEEEEEE

>>723115875
>There has never been a port to a Playstation console that was an upgrade
But enough about cube.

>>723115875
but enough about the shitcube

>>723115925
>>723115946
Those games are actual shit on every platform.

>>723116026
Cubert....

>>723115675
>dogshit controller
To add to this, the face button layout is also bad, since it forces an overemphasis on the A button and removes interactibility of the B button with the x+y buttons. The C stick also monopolizes your thumb to use since it's so isolated.
That shit is bad even for smelee.

>>723100894 (OP)
Underpowered as fuck. And those proprietary mini-discs seriously hurt the console image wise. The early 2000's was all about getting more. More graphics, more content, more everything. So when the cube had those tiny discs vs regular Xbox/PS2 discs, it really felt like you were paying the same but getting less in return. Yes it sounds stupid but optics was everything back then.

>>723116026
mmmhmm cubie, keep coping sister

>>723116065
If you really like shitty western multiplats then Gamecube is not for you. I suggest developing taste.
>>723116120
Deboonked.

>>723116223
>deboonked
>uses his weird autism instead of the actual debunking
meh

>>723116223
>shitty western multiplats
that's literally all the shitcube is + the worst entries in nintendo's flagship franchiese like shitshine and shit waker kek

>>723116310
Why are you so obsessed with scat?

The White man has spoken.

>>723116301
You've posted that webm of a legendarily bad game hundreds of times now.

>>723116361
It was a good game.

>>723116430
You've coped 100s of times about the gamecube being weak now.

>>723116361
shitcube, brapcube, trashcube, gaycube, slopcube, shovelwarecube, hrtcube, groidcube, compactedfecescube, in any case, the gamecube is a fucking terrible console with bad games, a bad controller, lack of basic features like online play and backwards compatibility, etc

>>723116465
>gamecube is weak because the outsourced port of a terrible bix nood mofugga game is bad
Incredible argumentation.

>>723116539
>emulator
meh. Use real hardware.

>>723100894 (OP)
>Fixed all the issues with the N64 except the most glaring one, small storage space
>Plan to create a stellar lineup of titles using every IP they had, immediately give up on the plan and rush everything out the door, regardless of being unpolished or unfinished
>18 months late to the start of the 6th gen
And just like that, you turn something that would have been a smash hit into a total failure

>>723116575
There's no way to dump textures on the original console.

If you ever wonder why cubies make such shitty posts on here, you have to remember the console was explicitly targeted towards low IQ impoverished basketball-americans who couldn't afford a PS2 or XBOX

>>723115675
Devastating

>>723116651
You say that and yet every single time there's a comparison where the PS2 is superior it's a game targeted at the urban youth demographic.

>>723116645
Putting the textures into mspaint only tells half the story: >>723116065
>>723115925
Aren't games of this era a composition of textures, models, effects?

>>723116374
hes right about the shitcube other nintie consoles are good

>>723100894 (OP)
EA didn't support it.

>>723116762
>Putting the textures into mspaint only tells half the story
It tells you all you need to know. The PS2 always has the lowest texture resolution with the lowest amount of colors.

Its the system that convince me to switch to PC forever.

>>723116893
>It tells you all you need to know
So you don't agree that the entire composition matters?

>>723102151
This image makes Shitchzoomers seethe.

>>723116952
The fact the PS2 is also uglier looking in terms of output is a factor to consider, but the textural destruction is something to behold.

>>723116509
Please consult a psychiatrist to help sort out your Gamecube obsession.

>>723117031
That's so weird, why do you think the 3d models and effects don't matter?

>>723116748
dq is better on ps2
silent hill is better on ps2
ffx is better on ps2
shinobi is better on ps2
dmc is better on ps2
katamari is better on ps2
ace combat is better on ps2
both western and eastern games have superior versions on the ps2 compared to the brapcube, cubie

>>723117059
Again, the downgraded models and effects are worth considering on PS2 as well. It's just easiest to show the textures.

>>723117227
Your laziness is repugnant and your willingness to over-simplify things speaks to it. It sounds like you don't appreciate video games at all beyond clinical observation.

>>723117276
>>723117342
You reversed the labels. It's not going to work since we have eyes that function, unlike you apparently. How many times are you going to try this and fail?

>>723105754
>eastbridge
>is located on the southwest
What did they mean by this?

Brother when I say the PS2 port of RE4 was downgraded in every single way I mean it. Even the red dot laser is simplified.

Didn't Mikami say he was going to kill himself if Re4 was ported to PS2?

>>723118174
Yes.