Thread 723112343

The vast advantage you're losing by switching from wanderer to other crests can not be understated.
Just spent an hour fighting lost lace with witch and its meme bind, for fun. Had to do my best and barely managed to beat her twice in dozens of attempts. Switched to wanderer, beat her first try playing sloppy as fuck.
It's like why even fucking bother playing with anything but wanderer? You're nerfing yourself and most of the other crests are not even "fun", they're just bad and frustrating. It's like using some meme charm build with dreamshield, thorns of agony, and minions in the first hollow knight and gaslighting yourself into thinking it's fun to use the shit charms.
Honorable mentions to hunter and architect though, they're pretty good too.

>>723112343 (OP)
architect is broken OP if you have the shards and it also has really good charge attacks & needle strike
hunter is excellent, its damage boost, dash attack and diagonal pogo can enable you to land greater single-hits than wanderer, or sometimes hit one more time when wanderer cant. then when your buff is up, your dps when attacking the enemy is similar. it builds up real fast with clawline. also hunters' buffed needle strike is pretty great now cause you get to deal good damage while getting 2 points of soul (and of course filling your gauge faster)
people sleep on shaman, it has a 50% damage boost to silk skills, enough said

id say only reaper and beast are truly underpowered. emphasis on beast
>but no youre wrong!!! my wanderer is so much better!! im too bad to play diagonal dashes?
Dont care. Not a single wanderer fanboy has beaten P5 all bindings and i have therefore their opinion is invalid

>>723112889
Yeah that's why I said honorable mentions to hunter and architect. I think they're slightly inferior to wanderer but not by much. The other crests are a notable detriment to your success though, and I honestly think witch is the worst crest in the game.
It basically goes like this:

Wanderer > architect > hunter >> shaman > reaper >> beast > witch

>>723112343 (OP)
>Honorable mentions to hunter and architect though, they're pretty good too.
The speed isn't worth the stubby range for me and I actually prefer the diagonal pogo for boss fights. Just finished the game beating Lost Lace using the Hunter Crest and I can't see my self doing it any other way.

>>723113347
witch is better than reaper but reaper is easier to use

>>723113497
everybody gets the impression the range is worse but it's the same as hunter. the arc is just narrower. hunter is still the most fun crest tho

I beat double lost lace and nothing felt viable other than wanderer.

>>723113606
>witch is better than reaper
Why exactly? what makes it better? The reliable bind with silk pickups to boot already makes it better, but the range and speed is also similar to witch. The pogo is the best in the game though.
One interesting thing that kept happening while I was fighting lace with witch is that I tried to pogo her and witch has this weird pogo in which you kinda get sucked into the enemy for a double slash, supposedly with iframes, but occasionally I would take contact damage out of nowhere. Very annoying.

>>723113606
To add to this, while witch is one of the crests I like playing with most it has this issue where it's design philosophy is basically in conflict with itself.
Your regular attacks, dash, and pogo are all really good and safe with great range and generous hitboxes, which leads to you think it's a play safe and poke type crest (like reaper or shaman). However, the bind is a really all in type move that requires you to either know a fight well enough to know the safe openings, or take risks to get your healing.

If you want a safe, poking type build you also want safe heals because chances are you're using it to keep your distance and learn something, but witch has a keepaway moveset combined with a bind that rewards already having knowledge. If you already had such knowledge, you wouldn't need a crest that plays safe. You'd just go wanderer/beast/hunter instead.

>>723113879
>double lost lace
That a mod? One lace is hard enough for me. Very impressed by the people able to beat those autistic difficulty mods though.

>>723112343 (OP)
>>723112889
Reaper is my favorite crest simply because it's cool looking. The sprint attack and the swipes and the pogo make it look like a well choreographed dance, it could be straight from the trailer. Don't care that it's weak compared to stronger crests like wanderer, I still beat the game with it.

>>723112343 (OP)
>beat her first try playing sloppy as fuck.
You didn't enjoy the game

>>723113917
compared to reaper
>slightly faster
>similar range but better hitboxes and also hits slightly behind you as well
>doesn't do that annoying alternating over/under swing that reaper does
>faster pogo that's still very safe
>better charge attack but both are situational compared to other crests
>both have solid dash attacks but witch's will be more useful more often
>witch bind is a high economy action in that you heal and do damage at the same time, but is obviously riskier (hence reaper being easier to use)

>>723114274
no one should be hating on reaper users tbqh.

>>723114034
Yeah I noticed that too, beast does the aggressive bind gimmick better in my opinion.
And witch's bind damage is not even that impressive either. You have a cap and you can only heal the same amount you would heal with any other crest but you need to risk it all getting close to the enemy and all that for the same damage you do with 3 nail hits. Each tentacle tick does 1 nail damage and replenishes 1 health. So you sacrifice reliable heals for 3 nail damage unless the boss moves out of the way in an instant (like it happened several times with lost lace) and completely fucks you over.

>>723113917
I've heard about that issue with Witch vs Lost Lace before and it's weird because I haven't run into it yet. Beaten her a handful of tmies with Witch and I never once took damage while pogoing her dashes.

reaper's the best
>are you going to back that up with facts and logic?
yes, because It looks cool

>>723114635
>use beast
>know boss is due to get stunned soonish
>bind, flintslate, flea brew
>absolutely delete the boss in the stun
biggest dopamine hit in the game
also your pogo is amazing for chasing stuff down
what a fun crest beast is

>>723114396
>witch bind is a high economy action in that you heal and do damage at the same time
You know, that would be true if it didn't have the fucking healing cap. If it just let you heal your entire health bar or at least up to 6 masks (8 with multibinder) if you land the objectively shit range tentacle attack. But it isn't that way. The high economy you're talking about is 3 nail hits worth of damage and 3 masks healed if the entire tentacle attack connects and if the enemy you're fighting has enough health left. It's a joke in my opinion. I could do 3 nail hits with wanderer in an instant and reliably heal in the corner.

>>723112343 (OP)
Reaper is the best because I can pogo for days without touching the ground and the circle attack looks "heavy" as fuck. The shoryuken is also good after you get a feel for it.

Witch and Architect would be cooler if they had matching sound effects and visuals, like tentacle attacks or clanking footsteps.

>>723114884
That dash attack is fucking awesome i'll admit.

>>723114952
I did a beast steel spul run and i immediately learned that it has no pogo, just two dash attacks

>>723115434
>Yeah It's pretty hard to get used to that.

>>723116249
Didn't mean to use the meme arrow.

>>723115107
well yeah, wanderer is obscene amounts better than any other crest. Not gonna argue with that.
Attack speed in a game where you generate resources on hit is always going to be absurdly broken.

>>723114952
Beast is by far the most fun crest to me. Even without the facetanking aspect, it's fun to just go beast mode whenever possible.

>>723112343 (OP)
Shaman is fun.

>>723117545
>13s
absolute kinography

>>723114952
Bind and flea brew don't stack that well, there's a cap on attack speed increases and bind is close to it already, you only get like 20% of the flea brew boost
It's good for building silk to pay for binds but is kind of a waste to use at the same time

>>723115434
>immediately learned that it has no pogo
You are wrong
t. Abused Beast pogo on Moorwing and Nyleth and various flying shitter enemies to great success

>>723120403
he's not being literal when he says that, anon