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Anonymous No.723131043 [Report] >>723131161 >>723131891 >>723132128 >>723132131 >>723132239 >>723132280 >>723132382 >>723132817 >>723134541 >>723134550 >>723134648 >>723140404 >>723140846 >>723142768 >>723143262 >>723144207 >>723144335 >>723144740 >>723144808 >>723145490 >>723146310 >>723146391 >>723146474 >>723146821 >>723146909
Seriously why didn’t they just use the eagles to fly to Mordor and toss the ring into Mt. Doom?
Anonymous No.723131091 [Report] >>723143556
Sauron would've zapped them out of the sky with his eye beam
Anonymous No.723131161 [Report] >>723131224 >>723132175
>>723131043 (OP)
Why haven't you moved on from 20 year old memes?
Anonymous No.723131221 [Report]
Because they eye would've seen them.
Anonymous No.723131224 [Report]
>>723131161
Especially one that gets answered in the book.
Anonymous No.723131313 [Report] >>723142886
>author explains everything in his own universe before his passing
>spergs and pseuds still insinuate that they know any better
Anonymous No.723131891 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
Because the Eagles are sentient and would have been corrupted by the Ring as well.
Because the Eagles serve Manwe and only help out Gandalf occasionally.
Because you'd have a bunch of Ring Wraiths on their fell beasts and artillery going wild the moment they saw a bunch of Eagles approaching Mordor out of the blue.
Anonymous No.723131934 [Report] >>723131984 >>723132104 >>723132112 >>723132294 >>723132464 >>723133375 >>723135053 >>723136437 >>723140687 >>723143523 >>723144782 >>723145887
Zoomshit here, is LOTR worth watching/reading?
Anonymous No.723131984 [Report] >>723132081
>>723131934
Yes.
Start with reading The Hobbit, then watch the LotR trilogy.
Anonymous No.723132081 [Report]
>>723131984
He should start with the Silmarillion to get context on why the elves are always so butthurt
Anonymous No.723132104 [Report] >>723146806
>>723131934
Haven't read the books but the LotR trilogy are some of the best fantasy movies ever made. Felt like a genuine passion project.
Anonymous No.723132112 [Report] >>723132149
>>723131934
it's prehistoric boomer trash
Anonymous No.723132128 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
Eagles would drop them from a mile high and loot the ring from their corpses.
Anonymous No.723132131 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
>Ummm, why haven't they sent bombers to destroy the AA guns instead of some random infantry? Are they stupid???
Anonymous No.723132149 [Report]
>>723132112
I was wondering how long it would take for the contrarianism to kick in
Anonymous No.723132175 [Report] >>723133589 >>723142106 >>723147290
>>723131161
To answer your question in a needlessly specific manner, it's arrested development. These people are stuck in their teen years for their entire lives. The memes that were popular when they were 15 are all they will ever want to talk about.

You might dismiss them as just being 'manchildren', but this is a pretty pervasive condition that is a symptom of the always-online culture that came with modern technology and it isn't just limited to what memes they post. Modern political climate has shifted due to this kind of retardation.
Anonymous No.723132189 [Report]
Okay but why didnt they just throw it into the volcano REALLY hard?
Anonymous No.723132239 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
Remember that thing that the Witch King flew around on? It wasn't the only one, all of the ring wraiths had access to the same type of mount. They rode around on horses because Sauron was trying to be covert in his search for the ring early on.
Anonymous No.723132280 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
What if the eagle carrying Frodo decided the ring would look better on his own talon instead?
Anonymous No.723132294 [Report]
>>723131934
I'd say yes to both but I'm old. I agree with the guy saying start by reading the Hobbit. It's still my favorite simple absolutely perfect story that I love every time I read it, and the Hobbit movies suck but the book's a fast read and will give you a good taste. LotR reads far different than the Hobbit but the Hobbit's easier to get into, less of an investment, and if you dislike that then you'd probably dislike LotR too
Anonymous No.723132297 [Report] >>723132641 >>723132764 >>723144757
If the Maiar are so smart and capable how come Gandalf, who is also a chemical expert who makes fireworks, didn't just melt the ring with thermite?
Anonymous No.723132382 [Report] >>723132465 >>723132721 >>723145998
>>723131043 (OP)
If Eru is omnipotent then how come Sauron was able to survive being smited during the sinking of Numenor?
Anonymous No.723132464 [Report]
>>723131934
Yes, but I'm biased I watch the trilogy every year when the weather cools.
Anonymous No.723132465 [Report]
>>723132382
It was all according to keikaku so he could get in Galadriel's pants
Anonymous No.723132641 [Report] >>723132914 >>723147141
>>723132297
Wouldn't have been hot enough. Even dragon fire wouldn't be hot enough, according to Tolkien. The alternative to Mount Doom would have been to find someone who is as good at crafting magical rings as Sauron, or better. The only two people who fit that description are Saruman (dubious, he was almost as good as Sauron, but he was missing key knowledge that prevented him from recreating the ring himself; conceivably he might know enough to unmake the ring however), or Aule. Aule certainly could have unmade the ring, but he was not in Middle-Earth. The Elves would have had to have taken the ring to him, and that would have involved traveling along a road that Sauron would have guarded by the time that the ring came to Rivendell. Even if they made it there, Aule may have refused to intervene since intervention in Middle-Earth always caused problems. Additionally, bringing the ring to those lands would have been potentially sacrilegious, as they had been untouched by Sauron's corruption.
Anonymous No.723132721 [Report]
>>723132382
To be clear, Eru Ilúvatar changed Arda entirely when Men under Sauron's sway decided to make war on the Valar, and that caused Númenor to get Atlantis'd and Valinor to be cut off from Middle-Earth entirely. Sauron survived because as a corrupt Maiar spirit he's immortal and could eventually just make his way back to Middle-Earth.

It wasn't like Eru actually *smote* Númenor directly like with a space laser or anything. Shit just sank.
Anonymous No.723132764 [Report] >>723146078
>>723132297
Because Sauron was the strongest Maiar who trained and studied under the strongest Valar. You would have to go above the Maiar to have any alternative to destroying it, and the Valar didnt care what happened to ME anymore.
Anonymous No.723132817 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
https://youtu.be/1-Uz0LMbWpI
Anonymous No.723132914 [Report] >>723133761 >>723142724 >>723143385
>>723132641
Point is, thermite is hotter than any volcano. Mount Doom must be a magic volcano. And if it's a magical volcano so hot that it can melt anything then how come the rocks of the mountain didn't melt? How can the universal solvent's container not melt?

Fucking magic bullshit is bullshit. No, no, nothing in this magical fictional story makes any sense at all. I bet hobbits don't even exist.
Anonymous No.723132948 [Report] >>723133130 >>723136149
>Why didn’t Thanos just use the infinity gauntlet to produce infinite resources?
>How did old Captain America return to his original timeline?
>Why did Buzz pretend to be a toy when Andy was around if he thought he was a real person?
>Why can't the Gremlins be fed after midnight? Isn't it always after midnight?
>Why didn't Voldemort just shoot Harry with a gun?
>Why didn't Qui-Gon just use the mindtrick on another junk dealer, then swap out credits for money Watto would take?
>Why didn't Obi-Wan just use force speed to save Qui-Gon?
>How did Cypher get in to the Matrix?
>Why was the Karate Kid allowed to do the crane kick?
>Why doesn't the family in A Quiet Place live right by the waterfall?
>How did Old Biff return back to 2015 if he changed the past?
Anonymous No.723133130 [Report]
>>723132948
>Why didn't Obi-Wan just use force speed to save Qui-Gon?
https://youtu.be/t3dI-ghYimg
Anonymous No.723133375 [Report]
>>723131934
i dont really watch movies or read. I stick to music and vidya, but I do highly recommend the movies. I watched them and loved them
the music is great, great acting, love the sets and designs, epic moments through out. its not an action packed film from what I remember, but those moments are fantastic. cant speak on the books
Anonymous No.723133589 [Report]
>>723132175
Oh. So it's the same phenomenon with insecure, irony poised Millennials who still pretend anime is cringe despite growing up with it.
Anonymous No.723133761 [Report]
>>723132914
It literally is a magical volcano that was created by Melkor.
Anonymous No.723134541 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
cool videogame faggot
Anonymous No.723134550 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
The forge is INSIDE a fortress built into the side of the mountain where the majority of Sauron's army was usually camped. Even an army of Eagles wasn't going to successfully break through and how would eagles fight indoors against the forces inside once they broke through? The only reason there were no defenders was Aragorn tricked Sauron into sending every single soldier to the Black Gate by pretending to have the Ring when he used the palantir.
Anonymous No.723134648 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
it's like asking
>where did Mrs Cain come from?
completely missing the point of the entire parable.
Anonymous No.723134681 [Report]
Why didn’t Sauron just leave behind a couple orcs?
Anonymous No.723134773 [Report]
Why didn't Sauron just close the door?
Anonymous No.723134893 [Report]
Why didn't Sauron just create a hot demon gf instead?
Anonymous No.723135053 [Report] >>723138003 >>723146157
>>723131934
I'm reading LotR right now. The Hobbit is great read, shit film series. LotR is difficult to read, but still great if you read it slowly. The film series is great, they did change some things however. Also the second film onwards there is a lot of big battles and CGI, which has aged decently.
Anonymous No.723135139 [Report]
>visits a guy called Sauronman
>surprised that he's a traitor
come on now Gandalf
Anonymous No.723136149 [Report]
>>723132948
>How did Cypher get in to the Matrix?
The scene where Neo sneaks up on him and they share a sneaky drink is him setting on the session for himself while everyone else was sleeping.
Anonymous No.723136437 [Report]
>>723131934
>read the hobbit
>read lotr
>watch lotr trilogy
>watch thr maple edit or M4 edit of the hobbit
>read the silmarillion
>read children of hurin
>listen to an audiobook of the hobbit and lotr that has music accompanying it
>listen to the audiobook specifically done my christopher lee of children of hurin
>read the the chronicles of Narnia
>watch the Narnia movies
>read the space trilogy by Lewis
>read the rest of the works published by christopher tolkien, such as lost tales, fall of gondolin, etc.
>read the narnia manga adaption
>read book of the new sun, then short and long sun, plus wizard knight
>read beowulf by tolkien
>read the rest of Lewis' library, with the exception of Till We Have Faces
>wait, or use your time travel machine to go into the future to watch- the BotNS anime adaption
>come back
>buy each song of ice and fire books and rip out each page to use as toilet paper until you run out
>reread the books by tolkien, lewis, and wolfe
>reread again, the lord of the rings but just the portions with treebeard and read those vvvvveeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy slowly
>rewatch lotr and lament that while it is a good set of movies, and probably as good as they could be considering the limitations, it still fails to capture the pure essence of the books
>watch these two videos
>https://youtu.be/7TH8tZ0Q7q8?si=A8GiOF4UowbfF7iT
>https://youtu.be/wzgE5ucDyeA?si=1CCAj0QjNgqrd6ry
>and FINALLY, you are ready to read the greatest book of all time, which is
>Till We Have Faces, by C.S.Lewis
Anonymous No.723136627 [Report] >>723138437
Why didn't they just get some Mt. Doom lava and destroy the ring in Rivendell?
Anonymous No.723138003 [Report] >>723138230
>>723135053
The Hobbit could've been a good movie if it was bare minimum a 3 hour length adventure movie with no original OC characters or Legolas, more lighthearted but also having some elements of horror going by Del Toros direction. Also not wildly altering the aesthetic of the series with new CGI Orcs.
Anonymous No.723138230 [Report] >>723138741 >>723139072
>>723138003
No idea why they decided to absolutely butcher the source material. Can't even really be considered an adaptation. As if the only thing people liked the Lord of the Rings movies was their CGI fetish and the inclusion of Cate Blanchett and Orlando Bloom or some shit.

The fucking book had storylines to follow, why did they just invent a bunch of bullshit instead? Fucking.
Anonymous No.723138437 [Report]
>>723136627
Lava all come from Earth's crust, wouldn't lava from other volcanoes work too?
Anonymous No.723138741 [Report]
>>723138230
It's no secret that the hobbit trilogy was rushed as fuck.
When Peter Jackson took over from Del Toro there wasn't any chance for him to do pre-production level stuff like stocktake or storyboarding.
So the obvious answer for everything is it was made up as they went along by several different people all doing their own thing.
Anonymous No.723139072 [Report] >>723141895
>>723138230
That's not true, there's a pretty damn good adaptation of the hobbit in there, mainly because they needed to stretch and scrape every fucking word of the book for screen time. It's just hidden inside a giant pile of bullshit. The fan edits that take out all the made up garbage are actually great movies.
Anonymous No.723140404 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
Basically the only reason Sam and Frodo got as far as they did into Mordor was because Sauron never guessed that the plan was to destroy the ring. He thinks they're doing Boromir's plan.

He thought Aragorn had it, assuming he took it off of Pippin, mistaking Pippin as the ring bearer, due to the fuckery with the palantir from Orthanc. When Aragorn gathers a bunch of volunteers for a suicidal assault on the Black Gate, Sauron thinks he's already power-drunk from the ring, and sends everything to assuredly crush them and reclaim it, leaving Mt. Doom almost completely undefended. His focused will alone is dangerous, and it's bent on Aragorns feint.

The eagles, even if they were willing to be steeds and pack ponies, even if they somehow had the provender to feed at least 12+ giant eagles, would have given the game away. Sauron had held back the Nazgul after they got wiped in a stuipid way because he was unsure where an all powerful ring bearer was going to show up, but the eagles would have made an obvious and easy target before they even entered Mordor, at which point they'd have Saurons 100% attention and awareness of their actual goal. So the witch king + the other nazgul + a shitload of orc archers and siege weaponry anti-air on point defense. Also I doubt the eagles fight as good with people clinging to them, neither would the fellowships fighting skills would be as effective except for Legolas maybe.
Anonymous No.723140471 [Report] >>723140991
The eagles are still birds of prey and hobbits are bite sized to them.
They'd just eat frodo like the dumb fucking birdbrains they are.
Anonymous No.723140687 [Report]
>>723131934
Yes, there's nothing like it.
Anonymous No.723140846 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
Gandalf didn't go through his class change until after the party split, unless you think the fellowship could all squeeze up on a moths back.
Anonymous No.723140991 [Report]
>>723140471
Ok but then gandalf could convince it to fly over mount doom for a post meal workout and unload his luger into the back of its head so it falls in
Anonymous No.723141895 [Report]
>>723139072
No even with edits its still a very soulless movie. Somehow worse than the Star Wars prequels.
Anonymous No.723142106 [Report]
>>723132175
>To answer your question in a needlessly specific manner, it's arrested development. These people are stuck in their teen years for their entire lives. The memes that were popular when they were 15 are all they will ever want to talk about.
>You might dismiss them as just being 'manchildren', but this is a pretty pervasive condition that is a symptom of the always-online culture that came with modern technology and it isn't just limited to what memes they post. Modern political climate has shifted due to this kind of retardation.
I'm like this.
Anonymous No.723142724 [Report] >>723142882
>>723132914
>Point is, thermite is hotter than any volcano.
>Chemical that needs to be manufactured via a highly exogenic reaction reaching up to 4500°C
>Wasn't invented until the late 19th century

>hurrdurr why didn't gandalf just use modern scientific advances to load the ring on a rocket and shoot it into the sun
Couple of decades more and people will be asking why gandalf didn't use nuclear fusion to destroy the ring.
Anonymous No.723142768 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
the same reason the valar didn't just come and kill sauron themselves
the eagles work for the valar
Anonymous No.723142780 [Report] >>723142872
>sauron
>sauronman
Anonymous No.723142872 [Report]
>>723142780
>Dinosauronman
Anonymous No.723142882 [Report] >>723146270
>>723142724
>>hurrdurr why didn't gandalf just use modern scientific advances to load the ring on a rocket and shoot it into the sun
because the sun is one of the maiar like gandalf and sauron so it would be unlikely to destroy the ring
Anonymous No.723142886 [Report] >>723143112 >>723143338 >>723143985
>>723131313
Did he explain Sauron's tax policy?
Thought not.
Anonymous No.723143112 [Report]
>>723142886
He did. It's everything.
Anonymous No.723143262 [Report] >>723143429
>>723131043 (OP)
I'm playing through Shadow of Mordor and it's shallow, but kinda fun. I love the idea of Mordor being a tough land, but beautiful in its own way. Pretty barebones, but from what I understand Shadow of War improves massively in that regard.

And yeah, it's a complete lore rape, but also who cares?
Anonymous No.723143338 [Report] >>723143403 >>723146349
>>723142886
the real funny thing is that Tolkien in his works displays an understanding of pre-modern armies and logistics on a level that Grum has zero fucking idea about
Anonymous No.723143385 [Report]
>>723132914
This is a funny post and two retards have already taken it at face value. Bravo.
Anonymous No.723143403 [Report] >>723144580
>>723143338
Some examples?
Anonymous No.723143429 [Report] >>723143560
>>723143262
Shadow of mordor is reasonably tame with the lore rape since pretty much everyone is original characters save for Gollum, Sauron and Celebrimbor.
Shadow of War on the other hand has this ever present fanfic feel where the writer had their OC rubbing shoulders with the big and the powerful of the world the entire time but history just doesn't remember them but they were totally there trust me bro.
Anonymous No.723143523 [Report]
>>723131934
The books depend on how much of a nerd you really are and how tolerant you are to long, slow books.
The LOTR extended edition trilogy are exceptional movies that everyone can at least enjoy and remain a favourite for a reason.
Watch it with some friends, make a thing about it.
Anonymous No.723143556 [Report] >>723144024
>>723131091
>Sauron would've zapped them out of the sky with his eye beam
>"Look Gorthog! They all have Gondor indignias!"
>[Rex Tremendae intensifies]
Anonymous No.723143560 [Report]
>>723143429
I mean the whole banished from death thing is pretty rapey. Humans leave Arda and go who-knows-where and elves go to Mandus. The wraith powers, the branding, the flashy combat moves, all of that flies in the face of what makes LotR cool. But, again, it's a fun time waster, I can launch it after a day of wagecucking and lop off some unfortunate Uruk's heads.
Anonymous No.723143942 [Report]
... video games?
Anonymous No.723143985 [Report] >>723144059 >>723144721
>>723142886
>West of the Anduin as far as the Misty Mountains and the Gap of Rohan shall be tributary to Mordor
There's some other quotes about tribute from the men of the south and east, but I can't be arsed finding them. Which is more than GRRM ever said about taxation of the 7K
Anonymous No.723144024 [Report] >>723147071
>>723143556
>implying Sauron-400 can target let alone reliably hit Eagles.
He's more likely to kill nearby Orcs.
Anonymous No.723144059 [Report] >>723144084
>>723143985
Is anything he's written worth reading? When Game of Thrones started I watched the first season but didn't bother after that because I knew the books weren't finished so I knew it was going to either deadend or turn into a Fullmetal Alchemist situation. I figured that when he finally released the next book I'd start the series from the beginning and then watch the rest of the show, but here we are now in 2025.
Anonymous No.723144084 [Report]
>>723144059
Dunk and Egg short stories are fun.
Anonymous No.723144145 [Report]
Why doesn't every fictional character just prevent the entire plot from happening before it even begins? I am very very autistic so seeing fictional characters not be perfect beings of pure logic that never make mistakes, behave irrationally, or take anything except the most optimal course of action triggers my over nine thousand terminal autisms and makes me explosively shit myself and screech like a howler monkey.
Anonymous No.723144207 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
the birds would have shanked frodo and stole the ring for themselves
Anonymous No.723144217 [Report]
>me when a fictional character doesn't instantly resolve the entire plot at the start of the story
Anonymous No.723144335 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
Cause Mordor was full of orcs, nazgul and magic. So it would have been impossible to just fly there in the first place.
Anonymous No.723144469 [Report] >>723144552 >>723144705
What was Gandalf's original plan of getting the ring to Mordor? Sneak in through the main gate? Or would they end up going through Cirith Ungol anyway?
Anonymous No.723144536 [Report]
>me when the autistic obsession with asking why fictional characters don't magically solve all problems instantly has finally destroyed my mind
Anonymous No.723144552 [Report] >>723144653
>>723144469
We don't know. Main theories are he was either planning on going through Cirith Ungol, the (cut from the main work but in the draft) Nargil Pass. Or he was just winging it and hoping for divine providence to do its work.
Anonymous No.723144580 [Report] >>723144621
>>723143403
siege of minas tirith in the books (movie messes it up) is a masterclass of operational logistics on part of the witch king and by extension sauron
it's an army that's basically on the limit of what's physically possible to sustain, even slight over it but that slight part is accounted for by orcs being smaller than humans and requiring less food

even then though it's not an army even sauron can sustain in the field for any prolonged period which is why the siege of minas tirith takes the form it does, it's a race against time for him to break the city's resolve before his own army runs out of supplies and it very nearly succeeds

one of the key things is that literally the very first thing the witch king does, before anything else, is secure multiple supply routes, not just one crossing but several crossings at the same time, with if need be backup in the form of control over the river mouth
Anonymous No.723144621 [Report] >>723144841 >>723145320
>>723144580
interesting, thanks for answering
Anonymous No.723144653 [Report]
>>723144552
>Or he was just winging it and hoping for divine providence to do its work.
he just like me fr fr
Anonymous No.723144678 [Report]
>me when I've finally killed myself because committing suicide was easier than accepting that fictional characters can't be perfect logic-bots that instantly solve every problem because that would destroy every possible plot
Anonymous No.723144705 [Report]
>>723144469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaHOvWMPeJA
Anonymous No.723144721 [Report]
>>723143985
>7K
>continent the size of south america
>absolutely filled with obstructions to travel
>pre age of exploration technology
>somehow manages to have a largely cohesive culture
>somehow manages to have a single language
>somehow manages to have anything resembling decent communication between it's constituent parts
>somehow manages to have massive food transports that take place over LAND

Middle Earth is far more realistic, even if it's also more idealized
making everyone a jaded fuck does not make your word realistic
Anonymous No.723144740 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
The eagles didn't want to go into Mordor.
Anonymous No.723144757 [Report]
>>723132297
Melting the ring is not unmaking it.
Anonymous No.723144782 [Report] >>723144818 >>723144903 >>723144958 >>723145973
>>723131934
>all these replies about not reading the books due to length and 'slowness'
Absolute fucking state of this board. Lord of the Rings is probably one of the more 'straightforward' classics too; God help you if you tried to read Dune.
Anonymous No.723144808 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
Not vidya, reported
Anonymous No.723144818 [Report] >>723144965
>>723144782
Dune is unironically easier to read.
Anonymous No.723144841 [Report] >>723145320
>>723144621
there's also an interesting counterpart where Saruman actually makes a ton of mistakes strategically during his invasion of Rohan, mostly in terms of managing his soldiers (a key one being he has several days of delay in his operations due to losing control over his Uruk Hai as they break rank to go pillage the surrounding land)
which actually serves a narrative purpose, Saruman for all his power and knowledge has never led a military operation and it shows

the Witch King and Denethor on the other hand are both seasoned military commanders so their conflict takes a completely different dynamic
Anonymous No.723144903 [Report]
>>723144782
>God help you if you tried to read Dune.
lol
Anonymous No.723144958 [Report] >>723145054 >>723145331
>>723144782
Zoomers are a unique breed.
They'll go through the trouble of reading House of Leaves as intended but a fantasy novel is too much for them.
Anonymous No.723144965 [Report] >>723145014
>>723144818
You think? I'm not saying it's particuarly heard either, but I thought getting dumped instantly into the world and you kind of have to piece together the Bene Gesserit cult and the value of spice was tricky on the first read.
Anonymous No.723145014 [Report] >>723145139
>>723144965
Idk, as an ESL I felt it easier. I mean, most of the obscure words in Dune are related to desert. And it still is less... verbose, I guess.
Anonymous No.723145054 [Report] >>723145102
>>723144958
here's what millennial and zoomer women actually read
Anonymous No.723145102 [Report]
>>723145054
damn he be spilling dat milk
Anonymous No.723145139 [Report]
>>723145014
Yeah, fair enough I get that, there's a lot to be said with how concise Herbert can be. Lord of the Rings does have a few parts where Tolkien goes on page long tangents about the history of Elendil's line
Anonymous No.723145320 [Report] >>723145410 >>723145457
>>723144621
It's a pretty incredible operation
>Preliminary Operations involve using the Corsairs to raid Gondor's coast and pin down the regional forces while using forces from Mordor and Minas Morgul to probe the Gondor's strongholds on the River Anduin
>Main operations begins by capturing Osgiliath with an amphibious assault to repair the main bridge crossing while a northern army out of the Black Gate takes Cair Andros, ensuring multiple crossing points are available.
>Outer fortifications are breached (using gunpowder, take that Saruman). Part of the force marches North on the road to block any attempt to relieve the siege by Rohan.
>Main assault begins. Assault includes specialized siege weapons (like Grond) because Minas Tirith's outer wall is probably too strong to blown up with black powder (Sauron was right).
>Southron Cavalry and Oliphants are kept far back in reserve since they can't participate. They are kept far enough back so that any disruptions to the main assault force won't result in a rout and they can instead act as a rallying point for the main army (which is exactly what happens).
It's a very well thought out and competent plan. And Sauron wasn't even going to launch it when he did. But he thinks Aragorn has the ring and desperate to eliminate Gondor before Aragorn can unlock its secrets. Unfortunately the blocking army is bypassed by Theoden thanks a secret route only the Druedain know (not even the Gondorians know of it) and Aragorn is able to rally Gondor's regional forces with the army of the dead scaring off the Corsairs, and arrives just in time with some very favorable winds (ie divine intervention).

Meanwhile, as >>723144841 points out, Saruman's attack on Rohan is a complete clusterfuck of a Hail Mary throw because he has run out of time, lost the ring, and Sauron is aware of his treachery.
Anonymous No.723145331 [Report] >>723145434
>>723144958
>House of Leaves
>'Oh yeah, I should actually read that one of these days'
>fucking thing is 25 years old and still costs like $50
What the fuck is this. Is this solely fueled by the performative reading market?
Anonymous No.723145410 [Report]
>>723145320
One of the main things I didn't like about the movie was that 'The paths of the dead' wasn't a literal secret path through the mountains to bypass Sauron's army, it was just a dead-end tomb where they got them to swear allegiance, and then bailed when it collapsed. Feel like it made better sense to be an actual passage through to the coast.
Anonymous No.723145434 [Report] >>723145601
>>723145331
Loads of different inks as well as fully coloured pages means it's an expensive book to print.
Anonymous No.723145457 [Report] >>723145604
>>723145320
>But he thinks Aragorn has the ring and desperate to eliminate Gondor before Aragorn can unlock its secrets.
I mean, wouldn't Aragorn just get corrupted in that case and eventually bring the Ring to Sauron? Or was Sauron tired of playing long game.
Anonymous No.723145490 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
ring wraiths fly on the backs of giant monsters. approaching from the air would just be a different fight at a different venue.
Anonymous No.723145601 [Report] >>723145641
>>723145434
So it's like a proper multimedia style thing? I've deliberately tried to keep myself in the dark about it so I go in blind when I get around to it, but that actually makes sense. might keep an eye out to see if I can find a copy at an op shop or book exchange
Anonymous No.723145604 [Report]
>>723145457
Someone with a strong enough will can master the ring and use it against Sauron. It will inevitably corrupt them, but wont' necessarily make them Sauron's slave. And as the heir to Isildur and Elendil (the guy who tag teamed Sauron with Gil'galad when he had the ring) Sauron is shit terrified that Aragorn can actually master it.
Even then, Sauron doesn't throw all his forces into the campaign. He has considerable reserve in Mordor, and can always call up new troops from the East and South. So to his mind he makes more sense to start early than risk the above scenario happening.
Anonymous No.723145641 [Report] >>723145758
>>723145601
It's not a normal book no.
You're paying for the experience as much as the story.
Anonymous No.723145691 [Report] >>723145896 >>723146923
how's the Lego game? asking for myself
Anonymous No.723145758 [Report]
>>723145641
Fuck, alright then. Thanks for the detail anon
Anonymous No.723145823 [Report]
LOTR Hobbit and similar are such fucking trash its literally a

>You had to be there

Situation, its literal plain chicken and rice without any seasoning.

>Muh bad guy
>Muh good guys
>Muh defeat bad guy

0, fucking, sauce. Compare this to even that fat fuck series GoT there one character has more depth than the whole LOTR

>inb4 you don't get it, Its SUPPOSED to be simple as shit
Anonymous No.723145887 [Report]
>>723131934
I tried reading the books in high school, and I felt like they were too slow and also actually captured pretty well by the movies, which is rare.

I then went back to them as an adult (mid- to late-20s) and listened to them as audiobooks. I think they are amazing as audiobooks. When I finished them, I was just left with the feeling of "Yes, these are definitely masterpieces"
Anonymous No.723145896 [Report] >>723146578
>>723145691
It's kino, like they all are. I actually like that it's less 'open world' than the others and pretty much just you playing through the levels across the different films.
Anonymous No.723145919 [Report]
i had more fun reading sanderson's books than reading this. The book is slow af
Anonymous No.723145973 [Report] >>723146076 >>723146130
>>723144782
i started reading fellowship recently and the first hundred pages are just frodo and the hobbits walking around the shire
Anonymous No.723145998 [Report]
>>723132382
>If Eru is omnipotent
He isn't, his most important features are
>being the only one who knows the entirety of the Ainulindalë, and thus all possible futures
>being the only one with access to the Flame Imperishable, and thus being the only one with the ability to create things out of nothing just by willing them into existence
Anonymous No.723146076 [Report] >>723146108
>>723145973
so.... a hundred pages of pure kino
Anonymous No.723146078 [Report]
>>723132764
>Because Sauron was the strongest *Maia* who trained and studied under the strongest *Vala*
Maiar and Valar are plurals, the singular form is Maia and Vala
Anonymous No.723146108 [Report]
>>723146076
yea, but it is slow.
Anonymous No.723146130 [Report] >>723146223
>>723145973
It's more like the first 150 pages until they actually get to Bree lmao.

But that's kind of the point, he's trying to establish this world and show what the Shire is like and the 'paradise' that the Hobbits originally come from so you can compare it when Sam and Frodo are trudging through the hellscape that is Mordor.
Anonymous No.723146157 [Report]
>>723135053
>LotR is difficult to read
Unironically the more stuff you read that Tolkien loved (Old English literature, Middle English prose, Nordic Myths etc) the easier it becomes, because he writes in a very similar style.
Anonymous No.723146183 [Report]
WE ARE FOLLOWING THE WILL OF THE ONEEEEE
THROUGH THE DARK AGE AND INTO THE STOOOORM
Anonymous No.723146223 [Report] >>723146323 >>723146449
>>723146130
ok but do you NEED 150 pages to describe that when you can say it in 2 if you are really stretching it?
Anonymous No.723146270 [Report]
>>723142882
The Sun is the last fruit of Laurelin, you're thinking of Arien, the Maia that moves the Sun around
Anonymous No.723146289 [Report] >>723146317 >>723146585
Why could the ring only be destroyed by lava in mt. Doom? What makes it so special exactly? I don't think that's how lava works. Have they tried destroying it with other lava? And if Sauron knew that they were going to destroy the ring then why didn't he put some guards there? Or even better completely collapse all entrances or whatever.
Anonymous No.723146310 [Report] >>723146452 >>723146676
>>723131043 (OP)
Why didn't Varda get off her fat bimbo ass and insta-kill Sauron?
Anonymous No.723146317 [Report]
>>723146289
Magic
Anonymous No.723146323 [Report] >>723146663
>>723146223
I mean, you can describe all of LotR in a couple of sentences, but reading them wouldn't match reading LotR. Books aren't just about plots.
Anonymous No.723146349 [Report]
>>723143338
>a man whose entire life was being a medievalist and that wrote narrative books as an hobby is an expert in pre-modern military tactics
No way
Anonymous No.723146391 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
>put invisibility cloak on eagle
>fly into mordor
were they stupid? why didn't they do this?
Anonymous No.723146432 [Report]
Why didn't Gandalf just ask Eru Iluvatar to fix Sauron?
Anonymous No.723146449 [Report]
>>723146223
You can't say it in two and have it be the same anon, there's a whole range of shit that happens in that timeframe that establishes the setting and tells the reader different things about the world:
>Dumb shit with Farmer Maggot showing that Hobbits are largely self-sufficient and a big part of why The Shire is so insulated
>The chase with the Black Riders on the Old Road and the passage with the Barrow Wights showing that Hobbits have a bit of toughness when they need to (plus giving Merry the sword he needs to hamstring the Witch King)
>Tom Bombadil shenanigans, showing that there are all sorts of different forces in the world beyond just Good/Evil
I get that it's slow anon, but very little of it is completely superfluous.
Anonymous No.723146452 [Report] >>723146715
>>723146310
Manwe said no.
Anonymous No.723146474 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
how did Grandalf know how to destroy the ring when it was never destroyed before?
Anonymous No.723146578 [Report]
>>723145896
sounds fun. Got a key for 1 buck will check it out later today. Going through the story of the three movies but with a comedy twist sounds comfy
Anonymous No.723146585 [Report] >>723146678 >>723147034
>>723146289
>What makes it so special exactly?
It was made by Melkor in the First Age as his special forge, it's literally one of a kind
>And if Sauron knew that they were going to destroy the ring
It's stated time and time again that the mission could only be successful because Sauron would have never guessed that anyone would have thought about destroying the Ring, he was worried anyone could use it against him.
Anonymous No.723146663 [Report] >>723146727
>>723146323
random shit in the shire isnt very interesting to read about
Anonymous No.723146676 [Report]
>>723146310
She did help beat Sauron. Literally. That's what Galadriel gave Frodo and Sam her phial for. They would've just been killed by Shelob.
Anonymous No.723146678 [Report] >>723146915
>>723146585
>It's stated time and time again that the mission could only be successful because Sauron would have never guessed that anyone would have thought about destroying the Ring
Not only that, but he was actually completely correct, as even a soul as pure and unambitious as Frodo couldn't bring himself to destroy the Ring at the end, and it took some divine providence for the forces of Good to actually triumph.
Anonymous No.723146715 [Report] >>723146823
>>723146452
Why didn't she threaten him with making him sleep on the couch?
Anonymous No.723146727 [Report]
>>723146663
I liked it. Plus, it serves a point, to contrast with the perils of Frodo's journey, also it pays off big time with the Scouring of Shire.
Anonymous No.723146806 [Report] >>723146841 >>723146921 >>723146969
>>723132104
>the LotR trilogy are some of the best fantasy movies ever made
I'd say they are the best. Is there any other fantasy movie that comes close?
Anonymous No.723146821 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
>didn't even use the right image
I'm getting old
Anonymous No.723146823 [Report] >>723146979
>>723146715
Manwe is the couch.
Anonymous No.723146841 [Report] >>723147059 >>723147140
>>723146806
The first Conan movie.
Anonymous No.723146909 [Report]
>>723131043 (OP)
How the fuck has TLOR existed for decades and people still fail to realize that the entire point of the quest to take the ring to mordor was to be a stealth mission and Sauron not knowing that the Hobbits had the ring was literally the singular thing it relied on for success? No they couldn't have taken the eagles cause Mordor has air superiority and the Nazgul would have seen them coming and taken them out instantly giving the ring to Sauron on a silver platter. Like I get OP is just baiting but seriously how do people still genuinely ask this dumb question?
Anonymous No.723146915 [Report] >>723147069
>>723146678
>it took some divine providence for the forces of Good to actually triumph.
It's very ambiguous in the book, because Gollum falls in the lava after attacking Frodo, and Frodo had previously used his power as the Ring Master to curse Gollum "to die by throwing himself into fire if he ever touched the Ring again", so there's a fine line between "invisible Eru intervention" and "action foreshadowed before".
Anonymous No.723146921 [Report] >>723146987
>>723146806
Careful there. You're going to be drowned in nostalgia faggots telling you that Labyrinth is the deepest shit of all time or The Neverending Story was actually written by Christ.

Frankly there just aren't that many fantasy movies comparatively that you could actually consider as all-timers anyway.
Anonymous No.723146923 [Report] >>723147098
>>723145691
Unironically only of the best LotR games, just behind the PS2 games and maybe Battle for Middle Earth
Anonymous No.723146969 [Report]
>>723146806
I liked the couple Narnia films we got, although they weren't on the same level.

The Last Battle would have been kino.
Anonymous No.723146979 [Report]
>>723146823
Damn, Valar are freaks. Fucking kinky archangels.
Anonymous No.723146987 [Report]
>>723146921
The Princess Bride
Anonymous No.723147034 [Report] >>723147125
>>723146585
>It was made by Melkor in the First Age as his special forge, it's literally one of a kind

The One Ring was made in the second age by Sauron
Anonymous No.723147059 [Report]
>>723146841
yeah buddy.
Anonymous No.723147069 [Report] >>723147283
>>723146915
Shit is all the Providence of Eru. He's literally God. It's all His doing.
Anonymous No.723147071 [Report]
>>723144024
>Sauron-400
Anonymous No.723147098 [Report] >>723147142 >>723147216
>>723146923
>just behind the PS2 games
do you mean the beat'em'ups or also include The Thrid Age? Haven't played it but looks kino, being FF X but LOTR
Anonymous No.723147125 [Report]
>>723147034
He means Mount Doom, fag. Mount Doom was made by Melkor.
Anonymous No.723147140 [Report]
>>723146841
oh hell yeah, that one's great for sure
>do you want to live forever?
Anonymous No.723147141 [Report] >>723147192 >>723147227 >>723147271
>>723132641
could a human just ask eru to fix things or is that impossible, considering the fall of numenor and shit?
Anonymous No.723147142 [Report]
>>723147098
Yeah the Twin Towers and Return of the King games, I forgot about Third Age but that ones also pretty good albeit a bit janky
Anonymous No.723147192 [Report]
>>723147141
Eru just laughs at the rape of men
Anonymous No.723147216 [Report]
>>723147098
It is quite literally FFX with a LOTR reskin, complete with summons and overdrives (and I mean that in the most positive way). Definitely worth a play, but be prepared for the most absolutely non-sensical ending of all time and complete blue balls on any of the major plot points they were developing in the game.

It honestly feels like they completely ran out of money and just said 'fuck it, here's a boss fight. Enjoy'.
Anonymous No.723147227 [Report]
>>723147141
Firstly, it's not even implied that any of humanity actually knows how Arda was created or of the existence of Eru. But even if they do and they pray to him, it's all going to play out exactly as Eru intends. He's God. You're asking why people don't pray to God to fix their problems. How's that work out in real life?
Anonymous No.723147271 [Report]
>>723147141
Eru is literally the capital G Christian God. Everything that Catholics think irl applies to him
Anonymous No.723147283 [Report]
>>723147069
>It's all His doing
Of course, Eru is just Tolkien.
It's implied in some external material (letters and documents) that Eru cannot alter free will nor destroy immortal souls; he can see all possible futures with the Song and thus push the world in the direction he wants.
Anonymous No.723147290 [Report]
>>723132175
Pepe the frog makes me want to die because I remember my friends mom talking to me and a few other guys when we were like 16 and showing me a GIGANTIC double ended dildo and I just said 'feels good man'and everyone looked at me like I was the weird one.

I wish to fucking god I was schizophrenic ally making this up. I am in a small town full of trashy people man.
Anonymous No.723147291 [Report]
>Tolkien drops one line about their being Valar and life created on other planets and doesn't elaborate further
How did he somehow create the most detailed and impressive fantasy world in existence while still leaving people with enough lore and questions for a lifetime?