Thread 723134854

FromSoftware's upcoming 'Project FMC' is an ocean/sailing-based souls-like called "The World's Edge".
You will see it at the Game Awards in December.

YAAAAAAAS MOOOOOORE SLOOOOP

Ty intern from From Software. kep me updatd.

>>723134897
>Hating the literal peak of video games
Why?

>ocean/sailing-based souls-like
Holy kino. God please make it so.

Sounds like ludokino to me

Oh so /v/ is going to pretend games like Wind Waker and Black Flag are suddenly good because FROM did it too

>>723135114
they've always been good anon.

>flat earth kino
LET'S GOOOO

>>723134897
>>723135114
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>723135010
He’s a diehard hack n’ slash, button mashing action game fan and seethes endlessly at the success of Fromsoft and the effect their games have had on the action genre.

>>723134854 (OP)
>no elden ring 2
it's over

>no elden ring 2
we are so back

>>723134854 (OP)
Sounds interesting.

Boy howdy I sure can't wait to play Dark Souls 6!

needs to be called TIDEBORN

>ocean/sailing
Literally 0 chance FromSoft can make at-sea mechanics that aren't turbojank.

>>723135114
You have my explicit permission to go back to r;eddit. You're free.

>>723134854 (OP)
neat, thanks for the heads up

>>723134854 (OP)
>myazaki gets to make a swamp level but with sailing
Also I totally knew they were working on a Wind Waker

>>723135857
Elden Ring was Dark Souls 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. So we're up to 9.

>>723135935
they made horse mechanics for Elden Ring though

>>723136261
Demon's Souls = Dark Souls 1
Dark Souls = Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 2 = Dark Souls 3
Bloodborne = Dark Souls 4
Dark Souls 3 = Dark Souls 5
Sekiro = Dark Souls 6
Elden Ring = Dark Souls 7
Shadow of the Erdtree = Dark Souls 8
The World's Edge = Dark Souls 9

>>723136537
>Dark Souls = Dark Souls 2
Ah, finally, a way for Dark Souls 2 to be good.

>>723136537
>Sekiro = Dark Souls 6
sekiro is not even soulslike. it's like saying that armored core is soulslike

>>723136648
Fuck, I forgot Armored Sloppa
That'd be Dark Souls 8

>>723136537
SOTE is a DLC. Youre thinking of Dark Souls: Battle Royale

>>723136648
Correct. Neither games are Souls. Hell, most "soulslikes" aren't either but that's another can of worms.

Demon's Souls = Dark Souls 1
Dark Souls = Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 2 = Dark Souls 3
Bloodborne = Dark Souls 4
Dark Souls 3 = Dark Souls 5
Sekiro = Dark Souls 6
Elden Ring = Dark Souls 7
Armored Core VI = Dark Souls 8
Shadow of the Erdtree = Dark Souls 9
Elden Ring Nightreign = Dark Souls 10
The World's Edge = Dark Souls 11

ARE THERE ANY OTHER DARK SOULS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT???

>>723137006
The Duskbloods = Dark Souls 11/12

>>723137006
Yeah, many From games pre-Demon's, underaged-friend.

>>723135049
Soul

kkino

>>723135114
black flag was good and I never pretended otherwise
https://youtu.be/gWi-Thtz58k

>>723134854 (OP)
What happens if you roll over the edge of the world?

Is there any actual good sailing kino other than Sid Meier's Pirates and AssCreed Black Flag?

>>723134854 (OP)
>more majula/heide scenery
mmmmmm yess i'm looking forward to the ocean sunsets and the skyboxes

>>723134854 (OP)
When is the gaming fanbase finally going to turn the page on garbage fucking soulslop

>>723140624
Based retard.

>>723134854 (OP)
If I don't get to play as a Kevin Costner, I really don't give a shit.

>>723136512
Do we get to ride a seahorse? Would be dope, actually.

>>723134854 (OP)
The most important question, will it have invasions?

>>723134854 (OP)
this is 100% fake but i would love an ocean/deep sea inspired game made by from,they always nail that vibe in their games

>>723134854 (OP)
BUT IS IT ROLLSLOPPPAAAAAA
PLEASE ANSWERRRRR

>>723134854 (OP)
>ocean/sailing-based
It's sentient boats, isn't it?
>Tfw no good fantasy games ever again

>>723142448
wtf

>>723135114
Why did you say the opposite of what would happen?

>>723142448
All boats are sentient, and female.

>>723137006
grimoire heralds of the winged exemplar of course

>ocean/sailing-based
holy KINO
day 1 buy

>>723134897
You will never be a real gamer.

>>723135114
Huh? Black fag is like the only ASScreed game anyone ever actually praises.

>>723134854 (OP)
KKKKKIIIINNNOOOO

>Pirate aesthetics
>From the guys that made Bloodborne
The fashion souls will be off the charts

What happened with pic related?

>>723134854 (OP)
I literally wrote about this years ago as a pirate based Bloodborne where your ship is the hub and you sail to new locations.

>>723143781
What even is pic related?

>>723134854 (OP)
>>723143830
Stop. The kino is off the charts.

>>723143853
Zhang Liang.

>>723143853
Spellbound, the alleged codename for a new game by From focused around magic

>is an ocean/sailing-based

HOW I MEANT TO ROLL THE OCEAN ALREADY ROLLING

>>723143830
It'd be pretty lame if it's just a pirate ship shaped hub area, instead of an actual functional ship you can sail in.

>Can't make Bloodborne 2
>"We'll just literally pirate Bloodborne instead"
BASED

>>723143932
hopefully axed
I've had enough of From's sad attempt at "magic" in their games

>trailer cuts to black
>"Sail these accursed seas, and end this curse"
>PIRATEBORN
>*trailer horns blare*
>March 2029

>we don't want to make another game as big as Elden Ring
>but we need the open world slop gamers
>let's make the open world a flat blue nothingness
Giga brain move

>>723144070
Seaborne would be a better name.

>ocean boats
lame
Give me some skyships and shit like Skies of Arcadea, that's the shit.

>>723144023
Show me a game with better magic roster (includes sorcery, piromancies and miracles) than Elden Ring

>>723143950
The engine can't facilitate large scale moving objects. The wandering mausoleums in Elden Ring was From testing it out and even then it barely worked. The pirate ship hub will likely be a destroyed floating ship on the coast of a tiny island with a paddle boat to fast travel to new places.
If From were REALLY smart, they would combine the tech used for riding Torrent with the tech used for swimming underwater in Sekiro and let players loose in a small ocean. Then use points of interest placed on the horizon to get players heading towards certain directions while interrupting that journey with pirates.

>>723144152
Dragon's Dogma

>>723144314
>Poopa's Poopma
Kek

>>723138553
Battlestations Pacific and Naval Ops Warship Gunner 2

>>723144146
Expedition 33

>>723134854 (OP)
>Soulslike
It will be an armored core clone with ships

>>723144875
Cope

>>723134854 (OP)
sounds cool bit it'll probably but kinda lackluster. might still fomo in and slash hollowlubbers with my boys

>>723144314
>A total of 8 different spells
Nah

>>723144271
Furnace Golems work without any issues at all

>>723144152
Fromsoft magic is boring as fuck, what are you smoking, my man? 90% of it is just throwing numbers. Damage numbers at enemies, defensive or offensive numbers for yourself. You can count the number of spells in ER that don't adjust combat numbers to some degree (this includes condition healing) on one hand.

>>723144271
Hey I got some news for you, game engines aren't set in stone and they can write in whatever functionality they want.

>>723145317
Do you like any of those spells, anon?

>>723142338
It's Fromsoft, so if it's not rollslop, it'll be parryslop. Just expect to have one button you need to press at the right time to solve every problem, and you'll probably be right.

>>723145386
You forgot the latest: jumpslop. Arguably the worst of them all (but easiest).

>>723144875
This but its huge battleships and they move like speedboats

Ah so another setting of
>the REALLY cool shit already happened, we explore a dead world with no NPCs/towns
>now with 200% more water

>>723145532
Still the best. Nothing remotely modern (in terms of when the movie was made) comes even close.

What about a deep sea souls where you jump off your ship and sink to the depths of the ocean and run into all kinds of monstrous horrors down there?

From Software is as bad as EA or Game Freak in regards to making the same game over and over again.

>>723145351
I'd like them more if the game facilitated their use more. Shit like Darkness or Shadow Bait doesn't work on any relevant enemies/bosses and is simply not needed for regular encounters. Sure, you could use Starlight, or just use the lantern that doesn't cost FP for the handful of areas where having a light source is relevant. Fingers or Eternal Darkness are cute, but Fingers are basically already worthless by the time you get them, and Eternal Darkness is really only useful in one area that isn't difficult enough to warrant its use. Unseen Form/Assassin's Approach are marginally useful in one or two areas, but the whole idea of ER being a stealth game basically dies immediately after the tutorial camp right at the start.

Basically, there's not enough, and while they're cute, the game doesn't really do anything with them that couldn't be accomplished faster, easier, and more reliably by just dealing damage.

>>723145673
I'd like more utility spells but I don't have much idea of what since the game is primarily about combat anyway. Also you can stealth quite a bit in the first castle but by "stealth" it's just "backstab unsuspecting retards".

>>723145548
Now with 150% more entirely irrelevant lore about things that happened billions of years ago and don't affect the way you can engage with the setting at all, pieced together from 726 messages in bottles you can find all over the infinite, empty ocean.

>>723134854 (OP)
I can't fucking wait.
From Software is the only major studio that puts out new IPs consistently and does so with a relatively high budget. They will always get my money.
>muh souls
Bloodborne
Sekiro
Deracine
Elden Ring (new IP, it changed the formula, they could have played it safe and made DaS4 instead)

I don't care if they make stuff like Nightreign even if it isn't exactly for me, they're growing and dipping their toes in multiple things to acquire skill and diversify while still being true to their ethos.

As per usual contrarians will cope and seethe.

LONG LIVE THE KING!

>>723145749
based

>>723136537
>>723135857
Brainrotted.

>>723145749
>From Software is the only major studio that puts out new IPs consistently and does so with a relatively high budget. They will always get my money.
False. You need to add "...that I like".

>>723145749
Every king will fall anon. Dark Souls speaks on this.

>>723145861
Andre didn't. Patches didn't. My wife Zweihander didn't.

>>723145726
I get why these games aren't rife with interesting utility spells. It's an action game about killing shit, where killing shit rewards you infinitely more than bypassing or avoiding shit. There would be more incentive to have a utility magic pool if a) magic slots were more limited, and b) the game weren't balanced around you reaping the rewards from clearing out areas, rewarding instead use of alternate routes or use of magical tools to avoid encounters or solve them in other ways.

But I still object to anyone calling Souls magic roster anything more than what it is - a collection of damage numbers to toss at the enemy.

>>723145749
>Elden Ring (new IP, it changed the formula, they could have played it safe and made DaS4 instead)
Elden Ring is basically DaS4 in every way that matters. In what way did it "change the formula", exactly? The addition of a largely irrelevant jump button does not make for a new formula.

>>723145889
Especially considering how absolutely overpowered and broken a lot of magic (not just sorcery) is in the game, even from the start of the game and all the way through to the DLC. What I don't get is how within the realm of magic itself, it's so imbalanced. There are so many spells that are so shit, so weak, and aren't even niche. And ones you get mid-late game. It's like there's far too many spells, like a bloat. Weapons are kinda the same too I guess but at least with them you can argue movesets.

>>723145861
Obviously but, like Aragorn said, now is not the time!
Time to enjoy some FROM kino, brother!

>>723145857
Name other studios that do that.
Capcom? No.
Square? No.
EA? No.
Sony? HAHAHAHA
Nintendo? HAHAHAHA
Rockstar? No.
and so on

So you can literally just claim any kind of bullshit with zero proof and /v/ will believe it now?

>>723135114
Wind Waker is good and this will be good as well. Cope.

>>723145979
Do you not understand the balls it takes to not use the Dark Souls name for a project of that magnitude?
They could have cruised comfortably and safely towards the horizon but they chose to be consistent with their ethos instead.

>>723134854 (OP)
Has a good sailing game ever been made?

>>723146178
Fromsoft is synonymous with Dark Souls. People know that the games they put out are going to share much of their DNA with Dark Souls. They don't need to use the name at all.

>>723145317
You didn't answer the question
>Throwing numbers
Going by your retarded reductionist definition the same would apply to all forms of combat

>Raider was the out of place character all along
this must be the weathervane game

>>723146262
Every single corporate suit would laugh at you for your economically retarded takes.
This is why we should support From as gamers, because they're not slaves to corpo suits like every other studio.

>>723136512
After trying to master "riding a horse in a video game" for 10 years.

>>723146426
wat

>>723146426
kek
what the fuck did he mean by this?

>>723146586
I think he's talking about how enemies/bosses riding horses were coded weirdly in the Souls games, as one entity or something

>>723146276
Games with better magic rosters? Fucking Skyrim of all games has better magic. It has all the dumbass numbers you could want, but Alteration, Illusion, and Conjuration schools blow ER out of the water in terms of variety of effects.

>>723146723
What enemies ride horses in DS1/2/3? Only one that comes to mind is that chariot boss in DS2, optional boss IIRC. There's a horse enemy in that frozen DLC for DS2 too but nobody is riding that.

>>723146829
Ludwig is kind of a horse, does that count?

>>723145548
It's going to be this. And people will eat it all up.

>>723146873
Cope

>>723146869
So the "10 years" is only from BB and so far we have is only one boss?

>>723146931
I think anon was just misremembering, the "one entity" thing is stuff like summons or projectiles where they're always attached to the enemy even if they're not supposed to exist yet because their engine makes it hard to spawn in an object

>>723146873
>>723145548
>the great hustle and bustle of the big city!
Fuck you and fuck your jewish cities.

>>723146802
>Skyrim
Opinion discarded

Magic in Skyrim is either unidimensional magic spam or shitty buffs (that you can still find in ER)

>>723134854 (OP)
That sounds pretty damn cool actually.

>>723134854 (OP)
I don't want more open world desu

>>723134854 (OP)
>called "The World's Edge"
The easiest disproval of the year. World's Edge is already copyrighted as the studio name. And it's not some random indie company you can bully out of it, it's Microsoft's first-party handling AoE games.

>>723134854 (OP)
>souls-like
I'm out.

>>723147769
>didn't like the answer he got and bitched out
How embarrassing.

>>723148203
You can still name a game that, since there is no possibility of confusing a game and a dev

>>723135159
>>723146164
>>723138386
Oh my god it's already happening. Fucj off my board, pussies

>>723134854 (OP)
That's bullshit but I'd believe it, because I want swimming in my rollslop. FromSoft managed to have swimming in Sekiro and they never did that shit again for some reason.

>>723149246
We have been saying Black Flag is good since it released, anon.
t. 35yo
I DREAMED A DREAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
THE OTHER NIIIIIIIGHT

>>723143691
NRFTW kinda already has a pirate / monkey island aesthetic going on

>>723149246
AC Shadows is good and Naoe-chan is very cute. And always was, deal with it.

>>723149828
This

This is just a flat earth shitpost
Why is /v/ so fucking retarded, man.

>>723135010
>>723135330
>>723143470
>>723140681
Why are you replying to subhuman, braindead tendietroons

>>723134854 (OP)
>dark souls 1 was oot but better
>elden ring was botw but better
>new game will be wind waker but better
Thank god there's a company still making Zelda games for adults instead of these new Zelda games for ADHD Minecraft children.

>>723150501
Based retard.

>>723150383
We don't care nigger.

>>723134854 (OP)
I hope it's an actual game and not a boss rush rolling simulator like Elden Ring

>>723135114
Those are both games that no one pretends is bad but excellent bait.

>>723150536
>boss rush
>rolling simulator
Didn't finish the game.

>>723150575
Unfortunately I did
It was a massive downgrade to the Souls series

>>723135935
Why not? Even elden ring launched with perfectly fine horse mechanics and jumping

>Not Armored Core 6 expansion
I'm dropping a third bomb on Japan.

>>723136850
>>723137006
Don't forget the King's Field souls games and the Mech Souls games (armored core) and also Fantasy Mech Souls (Frame Gride)

>>723134854 (OP)
>Uncharted Waters successor
Give it to me. Give me the Scurvy-likes.
>>723136114
Arrggghhh! Around these parts ye be callin' it the Sargasso!

>>723145585
Trvke

>>723134854 (OP)
>Wanted Risen 4 for years or a gritty pirate movie in the spaghetti western genre
>The monkeys paw curls
>This shit drops

>>723144006
YO-HO-HO HE TOOK A BITE OF SICK-DARK

>>723134897
Based TRVKE God King. Hammer those Fromsoft Twinks!

>>723150714
You have 20 other Armored Cores you didn't play, Zoomer

>>723136512
Yes and doing anything precise with the ER horse is absolute jank

>>723150714
Drop yourself from the nearest building, poser

>>723145317
The actual problem with their magic is the control scheme obviously

>>723148007
I think it's potentially less awful if the open world is mostly ocean

>>723134854 (OP)
P-project Female Main Character?
NOOOOO

This shit is going to be so ass since they don't take a step back and finish anything. At least with other studios they take time to polish and make their games run well and not look like shit.

>>723134854 (OP)
I didn't play SotE, was there a foreigner NPC in it and were they a pirate? If not, then this is fake.

>>723152109
Maybe the guy who leaked that 'pirate' thing thought that Igon was one because his cultural literacy is at rock-bottom.

>>723134854 (OP)
>sailing
booooring
I'd prefer more soulslop

>>723151269
>>723151578
>You liked AC6? Well CLEARLY you didn't play any of the other games
Daring to call me a poser when I've played every AC day one, shut the fuck up you queers.

>>723152108
Boo boo, salty tears

>new area discovered
>POISON LAGOON

>>723152109
in nightreign there's a nightfarer who's a pirate

>>723134854 (OP)
told you fags it's gonna be open world months ago.

>>723136537
Kings field was dark souls 1

>>723153265
It's not a mainline game, it's not a DLC, he's a viking and he's not particularly more foreign than other characters.

>>723135857
Yes

>>723134854 (OP)
did you just see that name on reddit and think this would be cool to make up a fake leak for?

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/1o3ylx1/more_evidence_about_worlds_edge_studio_behind_age/

>>723150513
how do you be Zelda but better when none of their games even have puzzles?

>>723134854 (OP)
so this is it. from softs Starfield.

>>723134854 (OP)
>ocean/sailing-based souls-like
Not possible, they don't know how to make water.

>>723152961
Proofs?

>>723154603
they made decent water with waves in dark souls 2.

>>723135010
>nufrom
>peak of vidya
come on now

Is this going to be more live service sloppa?

>>723154696
Sure, let me just go back in time and record my 6-year-old self playing Armored Core on the PS1.

>>723136850
Demon's Souls = Dark Souls 1
Dark Souls = Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 2 = Dark Souls 3
Bloodborne = Dark Souls 4
Dark Souls 3 = Dark Souls 5
Sekiro = Dark Souls 6
Elden Ring = Dark Souls 7
Armored Core VI = Dark Souls 8
Shadow of the Erdtree = Dark Souls 9
Elden Ring Nightreign = Dark Souls 10
The Duskbloods = Dark Souls 11
The World's Edge = Dark Souls 12

Fromsoft has always been a shovelware company first and foremost. I'm surprised people thought they are anything other. That's the power of journalism and astroturffing I guess.

>never finishes a game: the company
>somehow becomes the biggest brand ever
>instantly dies

>>723155280
The one in Majula ? It's pre-rendered, doesn't count.

>Expecting a good game from an obvious industry plant.
ngmi

>>723136537
You forgot to number Bloodborne 2 on the switch 2 on there.

>>723156007
there's also water in heide's tower and you can walk on it in shrine of amana. just go play it bro, it's the best souls game by far.

>>723156461
I remember Shrine of Amana well enough not to go there lol.

>>723134854 (OP)
>boat arc berserk

>>723153480
the hidden boss of that fire area is literally flamelurker beta version

>>723134854 (OP)
Oh cool dark souls five or whatever

>>723134854 (OP)
Dark souls but sea of thieves??!!!
Now this is going to be REVOLUTIONARY

>>723136114
Poison swamp
>Upgrade
Lake of Rot
>Upgrade
An entire ocean that gives you toxic, Scarlet rot, bleed, deathblight and curse buildup at the same time. It's not even an endgame area but it Is mandatory.

We all knew it was going to happen

>>723134897
Souls >>> combo slop

>>723135857
But you will play comboslop #4655
Kys shit eating hypocrite

That sounds pretty cool, but the important question is whether or not Tanimura is involved. If he is, it'll be shit.

>>723143830
>>723134854 (OP)
>Implying Fromsoftware would give a shit about gay gimmicks like sailing

>>723154603
Sekiro had full underwater movement.

>>723143781
>TFW fell for the AI sloppaggio

>>723145386
Clearly you haven't played sekiro. There are specific attacks you can't parry or dodge in that game. The game even has multiple types of parries.
You are just a combo slop shiteater.

>>723135114
>>723149246
When have people on this board ever not liked those games?
Even Sea of Thieves got a lot of supporters just for being a pirate game.

>>723148294
>>723146802
Skyrim magic is poorly balanced, it becomes very underpowered later on in the game or on higher difficulties. It takes ages to kill anything.

>>723155803
Nah, they make some of the best arpgs, period.
Tell us some of your favorite games so I can see what you think is shovelware or not

>>723160425
>they make some of the best arpgs, period.
The only things their action RPGs have going for them are combat and exploration, and those both sucked in ER.

>>723160586
ER has better exploration than most open world games because it has actual level design for the main dungeons.
The combat was good as long as you actually understand it. The bosses are interesting and memorable, once again unlike any other arpg.
Most other action RPGs have really shitty combat. And gameplay is the most important thing in any game.

>>723134854 (OP)
Sekiro underwater movement sucked

>>723160768
>ER has better exploration than most open world games because it has actual level design for the main dungeons.
Wrong. The world itself, the movement and interaction options and the "settlements" and unique setpieces you find suck. Stormveil being a cool dungeon doesn't make the whole game's exploration good.

>The combat was good as long as you actually understand it. The bosses are interesting and memorable, once again unlike any other arpg
Absolutely not. The combat sucks because it's Tanimura's interpretation of DaS3 style combat. The only From games with good combat are BB and Sekiro.

>>723159857
Open world?

>>723134854 (OP)
>not sci-fi soulslike

dropped

>>723134854 (OP)
An ocean is just a blue flat plain you can't walk on. It's hard for me to imagine the sailing as being more than busywork between the actual areas on land. Kind of like ER's open world but worse.

>>723161268
The Surge 1&2 ate their dinner

>>723161108
>The world itself, the movement and interaction options and the "settlements" and unique setpieces you find suck.
Not true. ERs world actually feels fantastical and has a bunch of memorable locations that are visually interesting. The Art design is better than other open world arpgs.
Leyendell, the underground cities, farum azula, shadow keep etc are all either visually interesting or fun to explore.
Other open world arpgs are lazy in comparison. Very few even feel fantastical.
Elden Ring doesn't have towns because that's not even what it's trying to do. It's basically an open world dungeon crawler.
As for stormveil, it's funny that this one level in ER is more memorable than the levels in most other arpgs.
>The combat sucks because it's Tanimura's interpretation of DaS3 style combat.
That's not an argument fag. You haven't explained why you think the combat is bad.
The combat is not worse than ds3, it gives you more customization options.

>>723134854 (OP)
Gotta love how the biggest FromSoft fans choose to completely ignore the total trash the company put out before they just started manufacturing Souls-likes on an assembly line

>>723153480
Dark Souls 0

>>723135935
From never did swimming before sekiro and its some of the easiest most natural swimming in any game I’ve played

>>723134854 (OP)
I already know what my build will be

>>723161941
>Not true. ERs world actually feels fantastical and has a bunch of memorable locations that are visually interesting
You said not true and then proceeded not to give any examples to the contrary. What environmental interactions amd navigation happen? Where are the NPC settlements? You already I was wrong about that specific claim, so you don't get to move the goalposts and redefine the argument.

>Leyendell, the underground cities, farum azula, shadow keep etc are all either visually interesting or fun to explore.
The underground skybox looks cool the first time you see it. None of them are fun to explore.

>Elden Ring doesn't have towns because that's not even what it's trying to do. It's basically an open world dungeon crawler.
Which is inherently fucking retarded because even actual dungeon crawlers in the early 90s had NPC settlements and quests and real environmental navigation. Try again.

>That's not an argument fag. You haven't explained why you think the combat is bad. The combat is not worse than ds3, it gives you more customization options.
The combat is bad because it's simple and has too few actual physical mechanics. Compare it to any other third person action adventure game or RPG and it comes up short. Sticking a single fucking weapon art on a weapon doesn't mean you have a good, mechanically rich moveset.

And no, one good dungeon doesn't make the whole game good.

>>723162072
At least they tried to experiment, something all other companies stopped doing around the ps2 era.

>>723150513
You're joking but this is probably what From is doing, Miyazaki openly stated he takes inspiration from Zelda. You can tell they have passion for what they're doing.

>>723163226
>Miyazaki openly stated he takes inspiration from Zelda
He has literally never said this. The only time he commented on Zelda was to say his games are nothing like Zelda after an interviewer asked him about OoT.

>>723162624
>What environmental interactions amd navigation happen?
Environmental interaction is not necessary for good exploration.
You need good art design and level design.
ER has alot of the former and a decent amount of the latter.
As opposed to other arpgs which have neither.
You also should have a sense of wonder which ER has in spades and other games lack.
As for navigation, you navigate more in this game than most modern open world games since there are no waypoints besides the ones you set yourself.
>The underground skybox looks cool the first time you see it. None of them are fun to explore.
Being cool to look at is important. I think that a sense of wonder is critical to good exploration in a FANTASY game.
They are more fun to explore than pretty much any location in any other open world arpgs for the reasons I stated.
They feel fantastical, are visually interesting, and have some degree of level design.
Other arpgs are basically just generic worlds with fantasy creatures sprinkled in. There is no sense of wonder, no interesting architecture, no fantastical features.
>Which is inherently fucking retarded
No, it's a deliberate choice. Many dungeon crawlers don't have settlements besides the central hub. Settlements are not a requirement for the genre.
>Compare it to any other third person action adventure game or RPG and it comes up short.
Most other open world RPGs have much simpler combat.
>Sticking a single fucking weapon art on a weapon doesn't mean you have a good, mechanically rich moveset.
I said that the game has good customizability, not that the individual movesets were vast. There is a vast amount of variety in weapons and ashes of war. No other game comes close.
>And no, one good dungeon doesn't make the whole game good.
You have one good dungeon and many other decent ones.
compare this to other open world RPGs which basically have no memorable levels. They suck in comparison to ER
Name some examples if you disagree.

>>723134854 (OP)
I was actually expecting something like this in elden ring. So soon after GoW I was really expecting some boat and island actin.

>>723134854 (OP)
>Fromsoft
I got souls fatigue, I don't think I will-
>Ocean/sailing-based
I will now buy your product

>>723163646
>Environmental interaction is not necessary for good exploration.
Environment interaction or areas that need to be traversed differently or with different considerations are. If the areas are basically just a pallet swap and you run through them all the same way, the exploration is boring shit.
>You need good art design and level design.
There is none of the latter in the open world, especially with the shit level geometry and arbitrary kill boxes.

>You also should have a sense of wonder which ER has in spades and other games lack.
No, this is you being a Fromdrone.

>As for navigation, you navigate more in this game than most modern open world games since there are no waypoints besides the ones you set yourself.
Sites of grace.

>Being cool to look at is important. I think that a sense of wonder is critical to good exploration in a FANTASY game.
And being a video GAME means there need to be solid mechanics to back up art direction. Coloring the sky can't make the 10th area of a dead kingdom where everything mindlessly attacks you interesting.

>Other arpgs are basically just generic worlds with fantasy creatures sprinkled in. There is no sense of wonder
This is you being a Fromdrone again.

>No, it's a deliberate choice. Many dungeon crawlers don't have settlements besides the central hub.
You don't play dungeon crawlers. If you did, you wouldn't defend ER's dogshit world as a deliberate choice to be more like dungeon crawlers. Fucking Shining in the Darkness has a full town. That's to say nothing of games like Ultima Underworld. It's not a genre thing like you pretend, it's an ER is lazy shit thing.

>Most other open world RPGs have much simpler combat.
No, they don't. ER has no real mechanical interactions beyond iframea and status bar build up. It's as basic as they come. 20 year old RPGs like Kingdom Hearts even blow it out of the water for mechanical complexity.

>Name some examples if you disagree.
BBI in DD shits on anything in ER.

>>723155803
Well then I love shovelware, what is your point?

>>723162072
>reeee why do people only care about the good games they made?
Kuon is a masterpiece, by the way, and I own a copy. What now?

>>723163549
I don't remember exactly what he said but he's a huge Zelda fan and there influence of it in Dark Souls.

>deep sea horror soulslike
FUCK FUCK FUCK
THAT'S MY FUCKING GAME/NOVEL IDEA NOOOOOOOOOOO

>>723164975
That's because Dark Souls literally is Ocarina of Time but edgier.

>>723164975
He literally never said that. One time an interviewer was a retard like this anon
>>723165063
and said DaS was like OoT, and he said that while OoT was a popular game, DaS and OoT are nothing alike. And he's absolutely never said he was a big Zelda fan. He's been asked about his influences and favorite games multiple times and has never brought up Zelda.

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY
HE'S RISING FROM THE DEEP,
WITH TATTERED SAILS
AND INCREDIBLE TALES
WE'RE CAUGHT IN ENDLESS SEAAAAAAAAAAS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7tJELpDfKU

>>723164989
Leaked image of the game

hype

ermm source?

>>723165993
It came to me in a 4chan thread.

>>723164487
>areas that need to be traversed differently or with different considerations are.
Most open world games don't really have this. Elden Ring has some of this in the form of caelid, areas that you need to platform using your horse, and in many dungeons you do have lethal traps.
So that argument of yours doesnt apply
>none of the latter in the open world,
The Legacy dungeons are located in the open world.
And the open world sometimes requires you to traverse around cliffs, ledges etc which can actually be challenging.
And so you admit that ER has better at direction than most open world games?
>No, this is you being a Fromdrone.
Nah, it's a fact. The ER world feels more fantastical than other open world RPGs.
Most other open world RPGs just feel like our world but with some fantasy monsters.
>Sites of grace.
Not waypoints. They just give you a general direction. As opposed to other games where they hold your hand like a baby.
>And being a video GAME means there need to be solid mechanics to back up art direction
Good thing that the combat is also fun.
Also, stop changing the topic. We were taking about exploration. Art design is critical to making interesting worlds to explore.
Which this game has and other games lack.
>Fucking Shining in the Darkness has a full town. That's to say nothing of games like Ultima Underworld.
Two examples don't really prove your point.
Either way, there is no rule saying that this is a necessary feature.
And I don't think NPCs in dungeon crawlers really add much aside from some dialogue and quests.
>ER has no real mechanical interactions beyond iframea and status bar build up
Not true, you have parrying, guard counters, blocking, and the stagger system.
Most other open world arpgs don't have this much.
>Kingdom hearts
Ah, so you're that same schizo who thinks KH is the best thing ever
Kingdom hearts isn't an open world RPGs, its not even the same genre.
Name me 5 open world RPGs that have more complex combat
(1/2)

>>723145532
>FMC = From Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World

>>723165993
Thread is made by bamco marketer. They are in the know.

(2/2)
>>723164487
>BBI in DD shits on anything in ER.
As far as I remember DD's world was pretty generic.
Also, stop using acronyms and post a picture of what you mean.
Go ahead and show me 5 open world RPGs that have
>Equally fantastical world
>Better combat
>Better individual levels.
I don't think there are many examples.
ER is good because it does these things better in relation to other games in the genre, I'm not saying it's the best game of all time across all genres.

>>723166326
>Most open world games don't really have this
Wrong.
>Elden Ring has some of this in the form of caelid, areas that you need to platform using your horse,
Different color poison swamps doesn't mean it has real variety.
>The Legacy dungeons are located in the open world.
Overworld areas are not dungeons. There's nothing to argue here.
>it's a fact. The ER world feels more fantastical
If you're a Fromdrone.
>Not waypoints
They literally, by definition, are.
>Good thing that the combat is also fun.
It's not.
>stop changing the topic. We were taking about exploration. Art design is critical to making interesting worlds to explore.
Why are you this fucking stupid? I haven't changed the topic once. I've been saying the exploration is bad because of level design and mechanics the whole time. You've been trying ti say it doesn't matter because you think it's pretty.
>Two examples don't really prove your point.
They're representative examples, and crying about it won't changed the fact that YOU brought up dungeon crawlers as a defense of ER's design despite you obviously not playing dungeon crawlers. That makes you a fucking retard.
>Not true, you have parrying, guard counters, blocking, and the stagger system.
Those are all extrmely basic mechanics that have existed since the PS1 days. And there are no real parries in ER.
>Ah, so you're that same schizo who thinks KH is the best thing ever
No, but you just outed yourself as a demented Fromdrone serial shitposter who argues with everyone and pretends to be one person. You're mentall I'll, don't play video games, don't know anything about video games, and you can't hide that by repeatedly bringing up things you don't play and asking for more and more examples.

I don’t like boats

>>723166651
>As far as I remember
You didn't play it. Don't bother lying.
>overworld
You're such a stupid cocksucking faggot. You asked about dungeons specifically, not overworlds. Stop moving goalposts. And stop asking for examples of games when you clearly don't play the genre. Your handwaving based on looking at a picture of something you haven't played is worthless. Fromdrones are subhumans who don't play games and pretend to be experts. You're the new tendies.

>>723167097
post tits or GTFO

>>723135114
/v/ has always liked Wind Waker

>>723136537
>Duskbloods is so irrelevant that people don't even remember to put it on these lists
That game is going to bomb isn't it? Why did FromSoft think a Nintendo exclusive game was a good idea?

>>723166960
>Different color poison swamps doesn't mean it has real variety.
There's also a bunch of dungeons that have lethal traps. And also the magic area rains missiles on you near the carian manner.
There's also some gimmick areas like that inverse tower.
>They literally, by definition, are
Arrows are not waypoints.
>And there are no real parries in ER.
This already proves you are a retard. You can parry a large portion of the bosses
Once again, see>>723166651
Name me some examples.
>Those are all extrmely basic mechanics that have existed since the PS1 days.
Changing the topic again. We are talking about open world RPGs.
>>723167118
I've only played about an hour of dd. In the first hour of ER It already was more fantastical.
>You asked about dungeons specifically, not overworlds.
I was taking about both. I said that ER gives you a greater sense of wonder than other games in the genre.
Also, one singular dungeon in dd being fantastical didn't really put it on par with ER
Especially since, in ER the world as a whole feels more fantastical.
You can't post examples because you don't have any, LMAO.

>>723134854 (OP)
I hate sailing in games. Wind Waker is the only exception for some reason.

>>723168351
>for some reason
You know the reason, drone

>>723134854 (OP)
that's the most non FromSoft sounding title I've ever heard

>>723166960
>Wrong
It's true.

>>723168417
I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the gamecube but ok

>>723145628
>sink to the depths of the ocean and run into all kinds of monstrous horrors down there?
that would be the greatest horror game for me personally and I would consider not playing it.

>>723167625
Nintendo must have paid well.

>>723168176
>There's also a bunch of dungeons
Stop trying to mix dungeons and overworld.
>Arrows are not waypoints
Look up what the word waypoint means, you illiterate fucking monkey. You're so fucking stupid, holy shit. Learn what the words you're using mean, play the dungeon crawlers and RPGs you're talking about, and then you get to argue. Using words wrong and making generalizations about games you don't play does not give you a point.

>>723169007
Based Thalassophobia chad

>>723159097
poison storms once a month in gametime

>>723134854 (OP)
Can't wait to try concertina/parrot paired weapon for superior bleed buildup

>>723169056
>Look up what the word waypoint means
In the context of video games, waypoints usually mean something like what you see in Skyrim, floating marks that tell you where to go and what to do.
Including in the open world itself.
ER only has map markers, and self set waypoints. The Golden trail that points of grace have are too short to really do anything other than give you a vague idea of the direction to head in. It's not the same implementation as in other games.

If you play lots of games why can't you name examples?
Show me 5 open world RPGs that
>Have an equally fantastical feel
>Have better levels
>Have better combat

>>723169621
>In the context of video games
Nope. You don't get to arbitrarily redefine words to pretend you have a point, just like you don't get to make generalizations about genres and games you don't actually play. You're done now.

>people think this will be soulsborne with pirates
>when it will be armored core with ships

>>723169621
Gothic 1
Gothic 2
Risen 1
ELEX
Dragon's Dogma

>>723168467
The Duskbloods doesn't like a Fromsoft name either.

>>723169754
>pirate ship made entirely of cannons
yes please

>>723169754
>insert edit of a row boat strafing a battle cruiser at max speed set to a phonk remix of running in the 90s

zanziboat...

>>723169809
>Gothic 1 Gothic 2 Risen 1 ELEX
>good combat

>not Sekiro 2
dont care

>>723134854 (OP)
So what, is it more Fortnite-like multiplayer battle arena slop?

>>723169809
I've seen screenshots of Gothic and the world seems generic.
At least post pictures, faggot
And I doubt that the gameplay of these is better.

>>723134854 (OP)
>pirate/navy soulslop
big if true. just when I thought I was out.. they pull me back in…

>>723170864
>those games you mentioned seem shit!
Thanks for conceding.

>>723136648
the ranni ending is literally the farting undead time travelling to become an undying husk piloting a mecha

read the lore, you didnt beat the game

>>723170916
Post pictures fag

>>723171436
>zoomer who thinks I will engage him in discussion after he already said "a-all shit!" can't even google
Yeah

>>723171495
>Can't actually prove his point
LMAO.
I did see them before and they seem generic.

>>723171605
>just repeats "all shit!" as if it will get a different reaction
Yeah
I'm gonna go play vidya, keep seething

>>723134854 (OP)
Bullshit

>>723135010
Souls slop hasnt been good for like 5 years.
From can still make good stuff, its just that the souls slop genre is so burnt out.
Sekiro and Armored Core are leagues ahead of elden ring

>>723134897
/thread

>>723171689
>Can't post proof
I accept your concession
All I'm asking for is proof that the worlds are fantastical

>>723134854 (OP)
yay can't wait for more dodgeslop

>>723169621
Waypoint doesn't mean objective marker, you stupid fucking Fromdrone.

>>723170864
>I haven't actually played these games, but let me tell you why Elden Ring is better
Fromdrones are mentally ill.

>>723171880
>All I'm asking for is proof that the worlds are fantastical
The argument started by being about whether exploration and navigation were good or not. Amidst your other attempts to redefine words, you then tried sidestepping into "Exploration is good because of design." and now you're going even a step further and trying to say that being more over the top is inherently better. You have no point and you don't actually play video games.

>>723156781
nah, this is one piece arc for miyazaki

>>723172567
I have been saying from the beginning that Elden Ring feels more fantastical compared to other open world RPGs, and that art design is important to exploration
>>723172270
When I look at the screenshots of Gothic one, it seems very generic
See
https://store.steampowered.com/app/65540/Gothic_1/

>>723150151
game? Looks cool

>>723161268
one day

>>723173041
>I have been ignoring the point about exploration and have been trying to pretend that the only thing that matters when talking about RPG exploration is how high fantasy visuals are
Yeah, I can see your retarded attempt at calling the world good.

>>723134854 (OP)
FromSoft is the most boring studio in gaming now. I can't believe people aren't tired yet of the one game they've been making since 2009.

Fromsoftware wishlist:
1. pirate game
2. Mesoamerica game (Aztec and stuff)
3. game that takes place in 2030 US
4. game that takes place in Russian army

>>723134854 (OP)
FromSoft can only make one kind of game apparently.

>>723135114
I've always liked wind waker and black flag.
I don't even like souls games. you're just in the minority dumbass.

>master and commander soulsludo

is the world even ready?

>>723173915
LMAO, reread the conversation, I've been stating the art design argument since the beginning. Art design is important if you want the locations to be memorable.
Also, art design is the only thing that can be proven by posting pictures.
I am not going to trust you when you say that the gameplay in Gothic 1 is better, nor can you prove it. I highly doubt it anyways, these old wrpgs tend to have shitty combat. I might not have played Gothic but I have played others.

>>723134854 (OP)
>dark souls piratekino
AARRRRGHHHHH

>>723145532
there's so much good stuff to get from the books, the movie didn't even scratch the surface.

>>723174981
They could even reuse No-man's Wharf assets. The ghost ship was really cool.

>boat souls is real

OH MY GOD

>>723134897
LMAO they are like that though
>>723135114
>All this seethe
See?

>>723134854 (OP)
I'm really over From's rollslop formula.
Nightreign has convinced me that From has lost its way and will continue to pander to tryhard le hardcore gaymers with their shitty bosses/enemies with anime tier combos and boring repetitive roll spam combat.

>>723134854 (OP)
Nice larp Actual internal code name is Magus Pit. First person fantasy rpg, setting heavily influenced by Irish folklore. Game is about exploring an ancient wizard tower and enchanted forest, discovering spells and artifacts.

>>723135114

Both games are universally celebrated you fucking retard.

finally doing the berserk boat ark eh

>>723175992
proof?

>>723135010
>rollslop
>peak
Kill yourself.

>>723174894
>but I have played others
You play From games and you've played a single hour of Dragon's Dogma.

>>723135857
Yeah? I liked all previous 5

>>723173729
That's No Rest for the Wicked

>>723135114
heres a (you) for self-owning
That being said, I don't think this "rumor" is true at all

>>723169576
concertina/monkey has toxic buildup though

>>723178787
>contrarian meme
>buzz word
Kill yourself.

i bet your ship with be the player hub and one of the girls will be barefoot

>>723135114
My nigger, Black Flag is the last AC game to be good, this game still fucks to this day

>>723184014
>If you don't like what I like you're a contrarian!
>Nooo you can't call my favorite game rollslop that's a buzzword because... it's heckin mean!!

>>723184712
Calling from games roll slop doesnt indicate to me that you actually dislike the games for any real reason, it indicates that you're an npc who adopted a meme opinion or you got filtered and dont actually play them. Getting mad that you have to dodge, parry or block an attack before countering is like getting mad at having to aim before shooting in an FPS yet these are the biggest criticisms of FROM.

>>723134854 (OP)
>Pirate Souls
I'm in

>>723161268
it has been to long, I dont care anymore. I'd rather they expand what armored core is than try to make souls a scifi series.

>>723185849
NPCs btfo

>>723134854 (OP)
That sounds awesome. You better not be lying to me.

OP here. I lied. They are actually working on a Animal Crossing Soulslike.