Thread 723148069

If you had any integrity, you would acknowledge this is the game of the year.
>very unique
>not for dumbshits
>great story

it filters too many people to get goty

>>723148069 (OP)
it's okay, but the writing is pretty uninteresting and a lot of the later puzzles are just reapplying information you find elsewhere.

the core gameplay with the stripped down roguelite build drafting is cool though, I wouldn't mind more attempts at stripped down games with different supporting mechanical structures

>>723148069 (OP)
What's the point of this game?

>>723148069 (OP)
>figure out solution to a puzzle
>3 hours later puzzle still isn't solved because rng decided to not give me the rooms I needed for the puzzle

fuck off.
>basic black and white (red and blue) story with no nuance
>surface level puzzles of mostly wordplay where you just have to keep playing until the game outright tells you X=Y
>complete disrespect of time, you can fiddle the rng but every action forces the player to have to deal with rng yet again, nothing takes action for the current run and some even demand a multistep sequence of actions where what you wanted will only come up two runs from the start of the sequence even if the rng lines up

>>723148069 (OP)
>rougeslop

My goty is kunitsu gami
>but it was 202...
Doesn't matter. Only played it this summer and it was great.

I've been trying to roll Throne Room now for 8 days in a row.

>>723151819
>no nuance
Nuance is literally in the game though

>>723148069 (OP)
>ANOTHER Pick-A-3 every 10 steps gamblelike
No journalist shilling will make me play this. I already play real puzzle games.

>>723148069 (OP)
>here's a lengthy backstory for non-characters that you have no reason to care about
>now enjoy this """gameplay""" that is just slowly walking through completely empty rooms
>the only "skill" involved is just picking the room with the most doors that will lead somewhere
>then RNG says you can't do anything else so time to lose all your progress and try again until the RNG says you can win
anyone who actually likes this is a sub-90 nigger and their opinion should never be taken seriously on anything.

>>723148069 (OP)
The tutorial is fine, the first actual ending is already grating, the second ending is also pretty painful and the third ending is just nonsense.
It's one of those games that gets much worse the more you play it and it knows it too.

>not every stone needs to be turned over
Yes you fag, I'm turning over every single stone.

>>723152021
conservatory

>>723152021
king, scepter, ink bottle, classrooms, study

there is no excuse

Lorelei and the Laser Eyes was a far better puzzle game.

>>723148069 (OP)
I wish but no, 200 hours on it, only 50 hours were goty material, 150 hours of grinding time wasting and repetition, ending goes nowhere

Despite everything, finding the testament is still incredible

>>723148069 (OP)
Too much RNG bullshit in this game. A good roguelike can be beaten every single time by a skilled player, while the RNG simply changes what and how the player needs to do to win. In this shit a run is completely determined by RNG, not by skill or puzzle-solving ability.

>>723148069 (OP)
I have to go back to it, I still have three sanctum seals to complete
I just got tired rolling for the lady's bedroom and the coat check for the diary key

>>723151819
I hate how the disingenuous faggots that defend this game say the RNG is not a problem because you can "control" it

case in point >>723152372

ah yes so to adjust RNG I have to start a new run, hope the specific room that spawns in a corner appears, hope that the specific room I want to adjust is one of the 3 choices in that room, and only then do I have to adjust it and RNG can still screw you over and take a while to spawn anyways

everything is always such a process with blue prince, and these people act like it's just normal, like "ah yes just do [insert massive grind here] and you are able to ever so slightly influence or control X thing", motherfucker how about having an actual well crafted puzzle game instead of a slot machine every time?

>>723148069 (OP)
i started playing this, thought it was pretty interesting and finally started making some serious permanent progress by day 10. then i talked to a friend who said he was on day 50. im not playing that much of this game wtf. it's fun but not that fun

>>723148069 (OP)
RNG makes the game worse and all mechanics that can influence it are terrible as well. As a consequence I gave myself unlimited dices and played through the whole thing undisturbed.

It's definitely my GOTY regarding the atmosphere. But it won't win GOTY overall because too many brainlets bounced off of it. However, considering the dev had never made a single game before this, it's an incredible achievement.

>>723157848
>considering the dev had never made a single game before this,
And it shows, holy shit is the gameplay cancer.

>>723148069 (OP)
the first week on the game figuring out on /v/ why the fuck it got a 92 metacritic score was very comfy ngl. After seeing all the layers of bullshit rng and moon logic stacked on top of each other I thought everyone agreed it's an awful game

>>723148069 (OP)
literally who game

>>723158184
that's why faggots like it, it's JJ Abrams mystery box bullshit

>>723155893
If you're unclear on how to get a good run, then read Architectural Digest. It lays out in explicit terms how to get the house you want. If the specific room you want has a color then deplete that color before using secret passage to draw it. Or if it's a dead end use draxis. Many doors? Use silver key. Really want conservatory? House has 4 corners per day.

But even the claim you need one specific room is bizarre. There are two of each chess piece and rooms with red letters or sanctum keys can be reliably reached.

>>723152250
Non-characters like The protagonist's mom who went missing and has multiple fake passports and might be a gem thief or involved in a bombing? Or non-characters like the house servant blackmailing the former Baron?
>Empty rooms
Retard

>>723148069 (OP)
It was so close to being good, all it needed was a little more thought put into it. The concept was neat, the execution was horrible. The RNG ends up ruining this game. You can know all the solutions to every puzzle and still fail because you rolled bad RNG. That's unacceptable, and the fact that it's like that means that this was either not/poorly tested or the dev just didn't give a fuck.

Why does this game deserve to win the GOTY?

It's literal slop. The atrocious story is not worth the effort, and the puzzles suck. The worst part is when you get to the end and realise it's completely unfinished and half the puzzles go nowhere.

Don't fall for this meme game.

It has so many puzzle elements that literally mean nothing for the ending. If you want to try different solutions, you can't unless the RNG lets you. That can be in 5 minutes, or 5 hours. I hate it.

It's a roguelike puzzle game where the roguelike aspect makes it actively worse. And I usually like roguelikes.

It's just unfun to have so much of the puzzle element held captive by randomness of the game.

>>723159436
I played the game with cheated RNG (if you increase your star count you can reroll every room infinitely), and it was still total garbage. Can't imagine having to try multiple times to get the right room in the right spot to progress.

Everything till you need to do the blue tent card hints to progress was fantastic. Even then it was fun for awhile getting to the draft house, but then EVERY room having another little puzzle box plus no real build up ending was lame. Definitely liked it alot though

>>723159436
sanctum doors are probably the worst example of this, so much build up and fanfare with a tricky knowledge puzzle only for the payoff to basically be a huge wet fart for all of them

An entire thread of "people" who don't know Jean Ribbon and who can only hold one objective in their head at a time. Fucking incredible. This game isn't for ESL's, speed readers, NIGGERS, or anyone who can't take notes and pay attention to their surroundings.

>>723148069 (OP)

I got to the blueprints mostly by myself (needed an hint on what "to castle" means because I'm ESL), with great pains because of all the rng.

The blueprints itself are the best puzzle in the game, and it was fun to get to the true room 51, but otherwise the game wastes so much of your time with bullshit I can't in good conscience give it more than a 6/10.

In a world where stuff like (original) Riven and Outer Wilds exist, I don't see why I would want to put up with a version of those games that arbitrarily decides when you get the chance to solve a puzzle, and when you don't.

I seriously think that the RNG adds next to nothing to the game, which would've been much better as a simpler adventure game where you keep finding rooms to add to your pool and can place and remove them at will from the house.

With that said I hope the dev tries again with something more "normal" because, all things considered, it was still worth playing all the way through, and it's insane just how much depth there is to the game.

>>723159610
defend the gallery, I'll wait

>>723159593
>only for the payoff to basically be a huge wet fart
this describes everything in the game pretry much
>prediction
>aboslute nothingburger (and a waste fo dev time with all those cutscenes that amoutn to nothing)
>manor workers on leave until you get to the last room
>not a single one of them appears once you beat the game
>sleeping in a tent until you get the rights to the manor
>still sleeping in the tent even after you do
>all those post-game riddles and puzzles
>just team fortress 2 lore but gay and british and the game doesn't even have a proper true ending with a cutscene and all

>>723159436
>If you want to try different solutions, you can't unless the RNG lets you.
You're complaining that a puzzle game requires you to know the answer and input it correctly instead of brute force guessing.

>>723159532
>Can't imagine having to try multiple times to get the right room in the right spot to progress
The house can be gamed. You know, GAMES? There's a draft pool with rarities. You can deplete the pool, have dice handy, use secret passage, classroom, or drawing room. Play the study and drop gems.

>>723159953
>spend 30 runs fixing the shitty rng
how about no

>>723159953
Or... I can cheat and avoid hoping that I get lucky.

I'm just saying, the game was still shit without the RNG. If you could pick every room, it still wouldn't be good.

>>723158184
>I thought everyone agreed it's an awful game
yea it's just one faggot ITT (OP, faggot) that's defending it

>>723148069 (OP)
lol
lmao even

>>723151035
You solve puzzles and learn lore but you are gatekept by a gambling minigame to roll for rooms while you try to reach every room and reach the far end of the rooms. Every time you enter a room you get an RNG set of rooms to choose, but you have to choose carefully to maximize your chances of getting keys or resources to make it to the far end or a particular grid square of interest. At a basic level each time you open a door, you create a room with maybe another door facing north south east or west. You start in the south. The doors facing north have a higher chance to be locked under certain conditions and as you go further north, so you need to get resources in your first few rows, but theres limited configurations. Theres also some hidden stuff and in certain rooms, so theres more puzzles and more layers to it.

>>723159892
What's there to defend? Just say you got filtered by Christopher Manson ludo

>>723159953
I know the answer, but I can't do it because of the RNG. Dumbass.

>>723159258
>If you're unclear on how to get a good run, then read Architectural Digest. It lays out in explicit terms how to get the house you want. If the specific room you want has a color then deplete that color before using secret passage to draw it. Or if it's a dead end use draxis. Many doors? Use silver key. Really want conservatory? House has 4 corners per day.
you did nothing to disprove their point
all that shit and youre still left hoping that the game gives you want you need

>>723148069 (OP)
looks gay

>>723148069 (OP)
Contender for Indie GOTY with Silksong, yeah.
Full GOTY? Ehh. It's a nice 'oscar bait' video game but oscar baits shouldnt ever actually win their oscar.

>>723159258
How about I'm doing none of that and I'm just going to play an actual fun game?

>roguelite
Nope

>>723159258
>read the thing that you need a specific room to read, use up one day to pick the topic, then one more to read it, repeat this process only to find out what more rooms you need, hope you get lucky
The fact that it's possible for you to know everything you need and still have to grind more days to get the specific rooms you need is just dumb. On a list of games that make fun rougelikes, puzzle games are dead last.

>muh RNG
gitgud, I doubt you even finished the tutorial

>>723159892
Aren't you supposed to just name the paintings? There's only so many words you can make with the letters.

>>723159436
Room 46 is not the ending, it's the tutorial.
But feel free to leave aome stones left unturned. Not everyone is meant to learn everything.

>>723148069 (OP)
It's dumb enough for normies to beat. As a puzzler it is more annoying than good.

>>723148069 (OP)
>>not for dumbshits
Au contraire: the game is explicitly designed for retards.

>>723148069 (OP)
Its a puzzel game but your ability to solve puzzels is locked behind rougelike rng bullshit, that makes it a shitty game off the concept alone.

>>723158184
>why the fuck it got a 92 metacritic score
This. Its genuinely the most astroturfed game in existence.

>>723148069 (OP)
The game doesn't stick the landing. And it's also got some pacing issues that can stall new content.

>>723162787
If there's one thing I love about this game it's the retards who think they're intelligent for figuring out very obvious puzzles that anyone with a braincell already had figured out within the first few hours of playing.
>just wait until you learn about the PAINTINGS bro!! blew my mind!!!! this game is so deep!

>>723148069 (OP)
Roguelike pipemaze isn't that impressive.
Still much better than the postgame junk.

>>723158184
>why the fuck it got a 92 metacritic score
See >>723162839
The game is a slot machine that dripfeeds you hints and solutions to puzzles that are only not obvious if you're a fucking retard (read: most gaming journalists and streamers).

>>723148069 (OP)
it's a fun game but i wouldn't call it GOTY, worth a play through though

>>723148069 (OP)
Good worldbuilding is NOT good story
The world is fun to learn about, the backstory of the kingdoms is interesting enough, and putting the pieces together that "Oh! Everything is connected, neat." doesn't make the game's actual story (Simon becoming Baron [but is too autistic to ever sleep inside because uh DUDE gameplay] and then becoming Super Baron later on) any good or interesting.

>>723148069 (OP)
If you're playing with a group of people telling each other what you lean like a fucking ARG it's probably decent. Solo it's cancer because of how much RNG can fuck you, and with how cryptic the puzzles can be. I stopped playing after around 50 hours when I realized I was probably less than halfway done. Most of the puzzles I've solved so far felt like a waste of time, and solving them just gave a tiny obscure hint to a later puzzle I've never even seen yet.

>>723148069 (OP)
It's my 2nd place after Silksong if that makes you feel better.

>>723148069 (OP)
It's amazing that all it took to make zoomers praise a puzzle game was to shoehorn gacha mechanics into it.

>>723148069 (OP)
It didn't pull me in at all.

>>723148069 (OP)
It's a flawed game from the start. The dev wanted to put too many pieces of information, but it would have been too convoluted for a standard puzzle game (too much info at once), hence why he made it roguelite.
While this works, this also just introduced the randomness elements that are very frustrating when you're just trying to focus on something specific and you can't mitigate that, else it'd break the whole game.
This is very impressive for a one man game, but this is a huge flaw for a game that still requires a lot of efforts even without that. Not GOTY.

>>723162830
It's a very unique and memorable game and its worldbuilding has a surprising amount of depth, but it's also very frustrating and tedious to play and the board game aspect gets in the way of the mystery solving aspect. I would probably file this under the same "wow i deeply respect this game but i hate playing it" category as La-Mulana.

>>723159258
>If the specific room you want has a color then deplete that color
Then give me the CHOICE to deplete that color, faggot.
You're acting as if the player has any fucking agency when 90% of the time you're forced to just pick one option because the others are dead ends.
>Non-characters like The protagonist's mom who went missing and has multiple fake passports and might be a gem thief or involved in a bombing? Or non-characters like the house servant blackmailing the former Baron?
Yes, non-characters like those that I didn't even know existed and couldn't be arsed to remember because there is NOTHING INTERESTING TO MAKE ME CARE.
>>Empty rooms
The vast majority of the rooms are empty and pointless, yes. No, I'm not counting a key and four worthless coins on a table as "not empty", fuck off. Even in the ones that aren't empty you can't do shit because it just contains part of a puzzle for a room you haven't gotten yet, and likely won't on this run. Or it has dumb shit like "hey maybe the NEXT time you draw this room you'll get an extra coin or whatever" and there's no point because the next day is another "whoops all dead ends and no keys" day.
Your "game" sucks, eat shit.

Blue Prince is a great game and I had a lot of fun playing it!

Oh boy I can't wait to try and complete this puzzle, I just need to room I need 8 times in a row! Oh wait thats a statistical anomaly, hmm that seems like bad game design no?

Oh boy, I can't wait to get angry at the game when I don't want to engage in the systems that are all at play and I'm just going to be angry at the RNG!

There weren't any decent puzzle games this year besides Blue Prince and Strange Jigsaws. Strange Jigsaws feels more of a pure puzzler without any of the tedium.

Average puzzle in this game
>Draft a new room after dozens of hours
>You don't have enough gems for it
>Draft it again over 20 hours later
>It has some coins and a piece of paper in the room
>It's a bunch of nonsense that looks like a jumbled shopping list
>If you decipher the note it says "If the things most dear to me are unbearable to you, then I'm afraid neither of us can see what lies between us, until we so happened upon it."
>What
>Turns out you need to an extremely rare room with a bear and deer bust on the wall, turn off the power to the room which reveals a button between the two busts. That opens up a piece of the floor with some stone under it, then you need the jackhammer to break the stone and get another piece of paper inside
>On the piece of paper is an incomplete note labeled 3/7
>Get all 7 pieces of paper and it'll give you an extremely obscure clue to a puzzle you already solved 30 hours ago :)

>>723164885
I was going to say Strange Jigsaws reminds me of 20 Small Mazes and it turns out it's by the same guy. I'll check it out, thanks anon.

blue prince has great atmosphere

>>723165232
wait, you get a limited number of hallways?
i thought it was all rng

>>723165232
its amazing how any element of frustration instantly goes away the moment you learn to prioritize using up all your L-shaped rooms on the lower ranks

>>723162787
>t.

I played until the part you find the three boxes in the room that you open with the puzzle winding key.

How far did I get?

>>723165968
Uh I just realized that's a bit vague.

I mean the ones you find behind the blue door.

Id rather hammer away at my dick in La-Mulana all over again than play this game again.

>>723148069 (OP)
You expect a good game to wing GOTY?
How new are you to this hobby?

i got filtered 30 min in. i dont get how this game is even a puzzle game.

There's some parts of Blue Prince I can forgive but the crate shit is blatant padding.
The worldbuilding turned out to be a lot more entertaining than any of Simon's retarded family drama.

I think the only loose end I had left was to use to try to water the white book when you draft the bookshelf room in the outer room.
I never did that to see what happens. I did pretty much everything else, I think.
Oh I also never figured what "the key is in the bunker wall" means or whatever. And if the spiral symbol in the right box after the blue door means anything, I also didn't figure that out.

And is it just me or the blue prince mom is fucking dead and they hid her corpse somewhere? Did I misunderstand those logs?

There better be a dark secret behind that villa an not some generic mystery shit.

>>723166612
well, you didn't get to the puzzle part

>>723165968
>>723166163
there's one more layer but it's reddit tier and not really worth the payoff

>>723148069 (OP)
Retarded game praised by pseuds because they think it makes them sound smarter. Dev couldn't decide whether he wanted to make a puzzle game or a roguelike so he tried to make both and it failed miserably.

I honestly cannot think of a worse combination of ideas in this industry than "myst clone" and "magic the gathering cardpacks". it's fucking unfathomable, like they were trying to be a modern day bialystock and bloom.

use wemod to cheat infinite resources like steps, keys, gems, dice and then you have a genuine incredible puzzle game on your hands. i we modded all the rng away and spent 100 hours having the time of my life. 10/10 my goty for sure

I don't know how people can have trouble with the rng elements in this game they're really not that bad.

>>723165095
I'll go as far as to say it's one of the best walking simulators of all time. I think it nailed the class and comfyness of a regal abode. Sound design, pastel color scheme, architecture and interiors, it all works in harmony.
Sadly, can't praise its gameplay side as much.

>>723148069 (OP)
>great story
Im sad most fags won't be able to piece everything together and feel like literal sherlock holmes, if you wanna play this game please avoid looking up solutions.

>>723148069 (OP)
>no ultrawide in current year
refunded

The only way Blue Prince would have been good is if they completely removed RNG and let you pick any room you want after you get to room 46. Also, a proper goal of finding more rooms like room 47, 48, 49, 50. Even if you keep playing and find everything there is basically nothing else that feels like you completed anything worthwhile.

>>723169369
>literal sherlock holmes
Yea, that time Sherlock Holmes walked around a house solving shitty word riddles was epic dude