Thread 723159568

Why do people call Ultramarines boring? They seem alright.

>>723159568 (OP)
>Erm, my book didn't say that was ok :/
The real problem is the rest of the chapters slowly becoming them

they're alright now but were the mary sue chapter for ages

>>723159568 (OP)
People familiar with the lore see them as the default standard good guys but might want to deal with something a bit more interesting. Its not a bad place for introductions for newcomers.

I don’t know a lot about the lore but I like
The guy with the scythe
The guy with the wolves
The guy with the nails on his head
The angel dude

There was another guy I liked where he was corrupted but didn’t actually like doing the evil chaos gods stuff but I forgot his name.

>>723159568 (OP)
>Why do people call Ultramarines boring? They seem alright.
They the good guys, they ain't afraid of nothing

>>723159568 (OP)
Because they're the most space mariney space marines in the setting, and space marines themselves are the most boring part of the setting.

>>723160520
Space marine 1 tried to do something interesting with the Ultramarines being the good guys and the strict adherence to the codex, but it never went anywhere.

>>723159568 (OP)
literaly no man alive thinks ultramarines are boring

>>723159568 (OP)
They are tame in term of design compared to the more extreme chapters like the Space Yiff and Dark Angels

Ultramarines are boring

Did Ultramarines ever do fucked up shit like the other chapters?

>>723160863
How could you possibly think Dark Angels are more extreme in design than Blood Angels? I agree with space wolves though.

I like the other blue Marines more.

>>723160050
>deal with something a bit more interesting
I don't warhammer books but I gotta ask how interesting does it even get between chapters? The humans will band together to kill everything that isn't human, every time? No? How much variety could a coat of paint lend to that narrative?

>>723162448
at worst, they have that one cato sicarius guy who likes to stomp tau women

>>723163010
>how interesting does it even get between chapters?
There are noticeable differences but all spehs murrines are ultra autistic warrior monks and there is only so much you can do with that.
>The humans will band together to kill everything that isn't human, every time? No?
No. The imperium is taking Ls all the time.

>>723162467
Hoods are drippy and memorable but Blood Angels are also on the list

>>723163525
>No. The imperium is taking Ls all the time.
I don't mean the result of win or lose, I mean it seems like there's little or no uncertainty, or variety, no emotional conflict, doubt, fear, intrigue, etc.

>aliens exist and this has come to the attention of the space marines
>it is agreed upon that everything not human isn't on our team
>either win or lose

Where does it go beyond that? Is there a human element to the stories? Is it just about the strategic blow suffered when a star system fell into enemy hands? I don't intend to be rude but I have a hard time understanding what the books are actually about.

>>723159568 (OP)
>They seem alright
That’s the point of them. They’re the trademark iconic Space Marine. Nothing else. The other chapters are for people with more refined and specific tastes
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>>723160050
>>723160590
>>723160889
This

>>723159568 (OP)
They're the human male fighter of space marines.
The reason people hate(d) on them was Wardian favouritism for a couple of years, that thankfully went the way of the dodo by now.

>>723163010
Chapters are very different in character, vikings, mongols, mechanics, wizards, faggots, batman...

>>723159568 (OP)
Ultramarines are boring and primaris are even worse.
They are somehow managing to make 40k gay and lame

>>723163796
I'm a secondaryfag who ocassionally find it fun to read the lore on wikis, and I read this book as my first and only 40k book recently. It has some of those human elements about normal humans coping with the absolute state of the Imperium. I recommend you give it a try. Not a single space marine shows up for the entire duration.

>>723159568 (OP)
I like Bloody Magpies more because of Boreale's great speech.

>>723159778
Why do you say that?
Are all the loyalist chapters becoming the GOOD guys?

>>723164559
yes. theyre all getting primaris marines which are all pseudo-ultramarines

>>723164559
he probably means they are losing their uniqueness

>>723163796
It all depends on the writer, who are pretty much free to tell their story, with the caveat that it doesn't really affect the overall 'the imperium is doomed' theme. Its like telling the invasion of Crete, there's a distinct beginning and end but its just one part of an overall whole.

Of course, the best selling books are the one's that glaze the marines as hard as humanly possible so market forces kinda force them all down the same trend. But once in a blue moon a 40k book could end up being decent by accident.

>>723164434
Yeah, the Primaris look lame, generic, and their lore is extremely fucking horrible. But, they sold extremely well because casuals bought into it and there’s the loud rich minority that buys anything GW shits out. A part of me has accepted that I’m not the target audience and haven’t been it for a while. Well, at least the 40k vidya is sort of fun

>>723159568 (OP)
They don't have a cool gimmick like the other chapters.

>>723163796
The good books are about the more immediate stakes of the characters.
A few examples: a unit of soldiers is traveling through a blizzard in their armored personal carrier, uncertain if anyone else survived their last engagement, let alone if there are any more friendly forced left on the planet.
A marine wanders the halls of a chapel on one of his chapter's recruitment worlds, only a few marines are stationed there. Someone or something has unleashed a demon in the chapel and already killed several of his brothers. He attempts to find it hiding in the dark corners of the building. A sort of game of cat and mouse.

Seems like a good place to ask
Any novels with a focus on Genestealer cults or Tyranids in general?
I've been on a 40k book kick, reading Eisenhorn and Gaunt's Ghosts. But 'nids are my favourite tabletop faction.
Ideally with as little marine wank as possible but I'll take it if thats all there is.

>>723165116
40k is completely changing its design language and the setting's themes. I've long accepted that the Warhammer I loved is dead. That goes for both 40k and Fantasy Battle

>>723160889
He says while posting the Ultramarines but chaos.
Not that you are wrong.

>>723164490
>>723165019
>>723165248
neat, thanks

>>723159568 (OP)
When you start adding every story involving the ultramarines together, there's no way that they're codex compliant.
Space Marine 2 should've just been a Deathwatch game which would also justify the squads of 3 in the missions.

what are the most shooty marines in lore? Imperial Fists?

>>723159568 (OP)
Space marines in general are boring. Every single other faction in 40k is unironically more interesting than the muhreens or their spiky & edgy counterparts.

>>723159568 (OP)
They were the generic, the vanilla, the most basic Space Marines. They were so by-the-book that it was boring. The only interesting stories about them were "He's an Ultramarine, but he's not like your regular Ultramarine," like Uriel Ventris. They also became the poster boys and the face of 40k, that let to oversaturation of Ultramarines. Then they came a codex thay was Ultramarines-wank, telling us that they're the best and every chapter aspires to be like them.

>>723163796
Damn dude you should like try experiencing it before posting.

Honestly you would think Black Templar would be the go to for media
>Dont have to bother with psykers
>They kinda exemplify the flanderization of what people think space marines the hardest
>Also lets you kill hundreds of them in your game without it being too retarded

I wish Mechanicus were the poster boys of the setting instead

>>723165568
Nah nigga this is the video games board. If I'm asking dumb questions instead of playing 40k vidya for myself I'd agree with you, but if you wanna come in here and talk books I figure you're fair game for my barrage of interrogatives.

If you don't like it you can write a book about it or something i dunno

>>723165416
The Raptors aka the reasonable marines come to canon. If you’re talking about big guns purely? Probably the Iron Hands

Are there any loyalist chaos spess marines?

>>723165705
super racists calling themselves templars is just a bad image for a franchise

>>723165295
Day of Ascension is about a Genestealer Cult, it's good

>>723165864
You got water in the brain I fear. Can someone help this fella out?

>>723165840
You could also try not being retarded.

>>723165864
Alpha Legion
Real answer is Alpha Legion

>their whole gimmick (or lack thereof) is being el generico marines
>blue
>GW and their writers are obsessed with trying to put them over and make everyone else look weak or stupid compared to them for some reason

>>723165864
Nah, at best you have renegades that are chaos fags in all but name, and full of copium about how they are totally still loyal.

>>723165931
Also the villains are Admech and they're real fun assholes in it

>>723165931
Cult of the Spiral Dawn has Genestealers as the villains, but they have a really good showing there

>>723165935
Fuck you nigger.

>>723165927
this. this guy knows marketing and knows how to not displease 6% of their shareholders aka blackrock

>>723165864
>loyalist chaos spess
Those things are mutually exclusive. At best the Alpha Legion is maybe actually loyalist while pretending to be chaos aligned.

>>723160863
Ultramarines would prolly have more fans if they leaned more into the Roman aesthetic but I think that's by design. GW wants them to be the introductory guys so that's how it is
Which is weird because the Fists seem like they'd fit better as the basic dudes.

>>723165864
theres chaos-tainted marine outcasts that are still loyal despite being hunted by the inquisition, like the relictors chapter

>>723165931
>Adrian Tchaikovsky
>who wrote Children of Time
>Writing a Genestealer cults novel
I think I just coomed in my pants.

Ty anon. I had no idea he wrote 40k stuff too.

>>723166060
I'll check this one out too

>>723159568 (OP)
Ultramarines are the vanilla standard by which all chapters operate. Most other chapters (as much as people would hate you) can be described as: "Ultramarines but X"
>Salamanders: Ultramarines but black and spit venom
>Wolves: Ultramarines but vikings
>Black Crusade: Ultramarines but templar coded
>Grey Knights: Ultramarines but bathe in the blood of women
>Blood Ravens: Ultramarines but black
They're like a cheese pizza (FAT AMERICAN!!). You probably won't some kinda topping on it.

>>723165864
Yeah there are some alpha legion warbands that do what they thinking they're helping the Imperium. The warband in this book think they're testing the Imperium and purging the weak

>>723165864
I like the theory that the Dark Angel traitors actually won their internal civil war during the Heresy, but because the loyalist side had already won the greater war by the time they were finished, they quietly flipped back to the loyalist side and the "Fallen Angels" were the real loyalists all along and why the Dark Angels want to hunt them all down to keep the truth from getting out

>>723165705
The writers would be incapable of doing this without either justifying their religious zealotry, or making the pov marine a very reasonable fellow who thinks his fellow templars should join every other space marine in reddit-tier atheism.

>>723159568 (OP)
>Why do people call Ultramarines boring? They seem alright.
They're okay now, but for years they were the mary sue posterboys. One of the authors, Matt Ward, pushed them as being the quintessential Space Marines that (other than some outliers like Space Wolves or Black Templars) all other space marine chapters looked up to them as their spiritual leaders
It was cringe and retarded, even for GW standards. Thankfully they've toned it down since then

>>723166139
Imperial Fists can't be the poster boy because yellow sucks to paint. There are rumors that Ultramarines are getting their own supplement next edition and that the Crimson Fists might go back to being the posterboy in honor of the anniversary

lorelet here
do undivided legions like Black Legion or Alphas have plague marines or zerkers or are they strictly for monogod factions?

>>723166139
At this point the Ultramarines have enough unique units and characters that they could just be their own range

>>723159568 (OP)
In a perfect world, the chapter with people named like "Gaius Maximus Cassius" are depicted like romans in Space. The problem however is, they never are depicted as romans in space. They are always depicted as "archetypical basic space marine" and that makes them boring.

Because then you have other chapters being like "Vampires in space", "teutonic knights in space", "Vikings in Space" and "Mongols" in space and so on and so forth, but the romans in space lack anything that would make them cool and roman so you end up with generic good guy protagonist chapter

>>723165416
Ork Marines.

>>723160590
Delusional, Space Marines ARE the setting like it or not, people wouldn't be falling over themselves to play as the bdsm evil elves or the alien cockroaches.

>>723166535
Black Legions have them all yeah. Other legions or warbands might have them as allies.

On the tabletop, Chaos Space Marine armies can take the unique monogod marines, though they don't get the special rules

>>723166667
>but the romans in space lack anything that would make them cool and roman
Bobby G and the Ultramarine's gimmick is that they are administrators and empire builders, not just warriors mixed with some cool archetype of historical warrior class

>>723166494
>yellow sucks to paint
Why?

>>723166667
Ultramarines keep getting unqiue characters who do have the roman aesthetic though, it's been a flood

CANT WAIT FOR ANOTHER PAPA SMURF MODEL

>>723166934
Too translucent so hard to get right, its the same for white. Also GW's yellow and white paints used to suck. They're better now

>>723166891
Yeah, but 40k is like 95% combat, especially for Space Marine stories. So the empire building and logistics side of the Ultras rarely ever gets depicted, especially not in Video Games

>>723166306
Sadly we already got 100% confirmation of everything that went down in Son of the Forest, it isn't really up in the air anymore
Fallen fired first, but Lion fired harder and without restraint. Also most Fallen didn't know what the fuck was going down.

>>723166934
Yellow needs a white basecoat under it. With black spray basecoat minor mistakes wont be visible. With white you need to paint over everthing or some crevice might show off white in the finished product.

>>723167115
>that time when GW staff was scratching paint jobs with a scalpel and testing it to make sure they were authentic Citadel paints or you'd be expelled from the official tournament

haha fun times

>>723166751
No the Imperium IS the setting. Space Marines could look and act in a lot of different ways and it wouldn't affect the setting in any major way. People like Space Marines because they are badass warrior monks. But as characters or protagonists they are boring as fuck. For over a decade writers have desperately tried to make them more interesting than vaguely homoerotic autistic violence machines and failed. Every time they come close to succeeding its because they made the marines act like not marines anymore.
And don't get me started on the daddy issues series (horus heresy).

>>723159568 (OP)
they are better than the shitty blood ravens

sallymenders are worse, r*ddit chungus of space marines

>>723167358
the oldheads at my store recommend a pink basecoat, but i don't use enough yellow to justify the cost of trying.

>>723159568 (OP)
On their own they are okay but because of Ian Watson and them being the poster boys they have been rendered somewhat boring

>>723167434
What? Really? That is extremely petty and stupid and i don't think i'd believe it if we weren't talking about GW

>>723167645
I just made it up but I still believe it.

>>723166139
It would be Fists but yellow is a bitch to paint and blue is one of the easiest colours. I think before Ultramarines it was the Crimson Fists who featured prominently.

>>723167556
why are peoiple keep shitting on Blood Ravens? is it because they are the protagonists in the Dawn of War games?

>>723166751
But I loved playing as zerg in starcraft and aliens in natural selection.

Why wouldnt I love playing as a tyranid commander, or Chaos?

>>723167358
>Yellow needs a white basecoat under it
I've never painted yellow but why not a brown or an ochre for a basecoat? Especially if you're using a darker primer.

>>723167953
Cause then you won't have yellow.

>>723166535
The four monogod legions are obviously monogod, but outside of that the rest of the traitor legions and random chaos warband can be any combination of regular and god-flavoured traitor.

>>723167480
>>723167808
I'm not saying it's right or wrong but Space Marines are the poster boys and even the Imperium plays second fiddle, personally I'd like gaming or visual medias depicting some large-scale Guard campaign or planetary invasion with hundreds of tanks and thousands of soldiers.

>>723168110
You wouldn't? Basecoat of Vallejo or Pro Acryl Yellow Ochre and build up to actual yellow with something like Vallejo Deep Yellow or Pro Acryl Golden Yellow?

Whatever I know from the Ultramarines is from the God Emperor or someone else giving them unwinnable tasks just for them to do it anyway.
And "He" Cato Sicarius always manages to tag along for some reason.

>all those cool chapters
>REEEEE Templars
>Dark Angels with all their kino knight aesthetic
>tacticool reasonable Raptors
>hardcore cyborgs Iron Hands
>all those neat niche chapters guarding the endless void beyond known space
>all get little snippets of lore, a mention in a book somewhere
>Ultrasmurfs are getting sixth speshul box just this year

>>723166934
its just very hard to do pull off well. You need to do a lot of very thin coats over a light colored base coat,and if you make mistakes with a darker color when added details later on in the paint process it is a nightmare to fix. And even if you do all that right is hard to get the exact tone of yellow you want without a lot of experience already having painted a bunch of yellow models. Its really easy to have them end up looking either too green or too orange.

>>723168712
Dark Angels and Templars get a fuck load of lore and books. Iron Hands are garbage and everything they do the Admech do 100x better

>>723164142
bluhd ravens were always my go-to stock space marines because i was a dawn of war babby.

>>723168712
the iron hands just seem like a chapter of bootleg techmarines

>>723163796
>I don't mean the result of win or lose, I mean it seems like there's little or no uncertainty, or variety, no emotional conflict, doubt, fear, intrigue, etc.
I have found a lot of my favourite books are the ones that deal with regular humans trying to survive the nightmare that is the 40k universe and the Imperium's brutal regime, stuff like:
Gaunt's Ghosts; imagine Band of Brothers but it's about an Imperial Guard unit being sent to various different worlds over the books, thereby getting to see a vast variety of differing alien landscapes and human cultures under the Imperium)
Eisenhorn; follows an Inquisitor who is genuinely trying to stop evil forces whilst travelling to worlds in the Imperium, but gradually getting more and more "corrupted" along the way as his methods border on heresy, but he is still doing things for the right reasons, and it's up to the readers to decide if he's going too far or not
Warhammer Horror; a recent series that focuses on how UTTERLY TERRIFYING it is to like in the world of 40k, most of these stories are from human perspectives, but not inquisitors or even soldiers, just regular, powerless civillians, and whilst the horror often comes from aliens or choas, there are quite a few instances where the horror is just a fucked up system in the imperium (like someone accidentally ending up in a place where they make servitors and seeing the process of turning a human into a flesh robot)

There can be interesting Space marine stories, but often they devolve into "bolter porn", and usually the most well-regarded space marine centric books are the ones that deal with the philosophy of the space marines, and their detachment (sometimes unwillingly) from the rest of humanity, or seeing them start to recognise how fucked up the imperium is, but knowing that this system MUST exist to fight chaos and the various alien threats

>>723159568 (OP)
The reason I got into 40k was because angry space face. Shitmaris instantly killed the space marine aesthetic.

Vostroyabros...we're coming home

>>723169154
>this system MUST exist to fight chaos and the various alien threats
why fight it? leave real-space to the orks and tyrannids and have the whole of humanity join chaos

>>723169490
Because life on Chaos worlds is a living hell for most people. I think I could deal with life under a Nurgle or Tzeentch cult but Khorne and Slaanesh worlds must be 24/7 orgies of violence.

>>723159568 (OP)
The issue with the Ultramarines is multi-faceted:

1) back in the mid 2000's, a guy called Matt Ward became a writer for GW codexes, and in one edition he sucked off the Ultramarines SO HARD that he basically shit on every other chapter, so a lot of older fans remember that bitter feeling

2) whenever there is any promotional work for the mini's or other media (like video games) it's almost always the ultramarines that are presented, despite their visual design being quite plain compared ot a lot of other chapters, so they are seen as the "boring poster boys" of the franchise leaving other chapter's fans feeling dejected

3) whilst I actually don't mind the ultramarines, I do have to admit that they are just a "jack of all trades" chapter with no real downsides (like the Blood Angles red thirst and black rage, the Space Wolves wulfen problem, the Iron Hand's technology fetish, etc etc), and their personalities are largely "kinda good guys for the msot part", so they are a bit flavourless compared to other chapters, who I feel get elevated by their downsides into having more interesting stories (thought these downsides can also get flanderised into being the only thing the chapter is known for over time)

Overall I think it's memetic mutation and overexposure that leads to them being considered reviled, but if you ask most people then they don;t actually mind the chapter at all (they might not prefer them, but they don't actively hate them like what memes might make you think)

>>723169728
>but if you ask most people then they don;t actually mind the chapter at all (they might not prefer them, but they don't actively hate them like what memes might make you think)
This, most of the Ultramarine hate just comes from newfags who want to fit in, not realizing they are just outing themselves.

>>723167358
Does anyone know how to get the same type of yellow that the Lamenters had back in the Badab war era like pic related. The newer codex shows off the lamenters but they seem to have a more darker yellow and now the chest crests isn’t that faded gold colour but the same colour as the armour. Does anyone know a good source for the lamenters chapter regarding their symbols and company markings?

>>723162448
They indiscriminately wiped out a lot of loyal imperial citizens for the crime of worshipping the Emperor as a god. This happened on one of Lorgars planets, and caused the beginning of his fall to chaos.
Though it should be said the Ultramarines didnt want to wipe out most of that planet, and just acted on the direct orders of the Emperor.

>>723169728
>>723166193
This
>>723159568 (OP)
Ultramarines are just the normal default space marines that exist as a comparison for the other chapters to show off their uniqueness.

what frustrates people is that GW only ever gives the Ultramarines the spotlight for promotional material, and get so much preferential treatment at the cost of every other faction in the setting

>>723159568 (OP)
Because for a long time they were, It wasn't until the mid 2010's that they started to get unfucked. Which is coincidentally around the same time Matt Ward was forced to take a 2 year hiatus and not be allowed to write Ultramarine lore anymore. They start getting unfucked around the book Know No Fear.

>>723165295
Day of Ascension is all about the Genestealers and Mechanicum.
Besides that about half of Ciaphus Cains books are about Genestealers and Tyranids.

While not the focus of the book, Genestealers have a really fucking funny role in the Necron book The Infinite And The Divine.

>>723171184
>GW only ever gives the Ultramarines the spotlight for promotional material
Rumour is that Blood Angels will be the posterboys for 11th or at least will be on the artwork of the Starter Box

>>723169490
humanity can't "join" chaos, 99.9% of human souls are too weak to assert themselves against the native denizens of the warp. They're food for the chaos gods and their minions. You don't buy a pack of batteries or a 6 pack of beer and say you've adopted them.

>>723165864
Those are generally pretty mutually exclusive.
The closest to that though might be Legion of the Damned. Since they are effectively a warband of undead Ultramarines(Allegedly) that lives in and is kept alive by the warp, but is entirely loyalists.

is Alpha Legion the chaos equivalent of Raptors as in being pretty reasonable?

>>723172112
Alpha is supposedly more glowies/spooks, compared to Raptors who are basically your modern day special ops?

>>723171451
Big if true, the blood angels are my favorite loyalist chapter by far, the new primaris models have been consistently ass however

>>723167769
Its because they keep stealing shit from everyone. One of the 'relics' they have in the games, is a Primarchs main weapon, which they stole. Also they stole a living sentient Eldar Titan.

>>723172112
Not really. Raptors are tacticool marines while Alpha Legion are deep state glowies.

Space marine 3 should be more “open world” in that you choose a planet and drop zone missions. Like destroy the facility. Eliminate enemy camp. Rescue scientists etc. and different planets have different factions. Orcs, tyranids, and hopefully necrons. Fuck chaos tho, sick of them.
I’m playing space marine 2 still doing the multiplayer coop operations but it’s getting real boring doing the same 9 maps over and over. Need the same gameplay but way more variety.
Basically Space Marine 3: Helldivers 2.

Warhammer is so gay. I can't believe I ever got into it.

>>723172434
They're my favourite loyalists as well. I especially like Dante and the Sanguinary Guard, I still hate what happened to them in the refresh.

>>723171547
Why the fuck would a space marine join chaos anyway? Makes no sense.

Primaris is so lame and gay, give me a proper horus heresy game

>>723172706
Horus Heresy is even worse it's all Primarch wank

>>723172434
The first born death company were so good. It’s actually criminal what they did to them for the “refresh”.

>>723160165
Magnus the bitch.

>>723172689
Usually they join chaos by being betrayed by the imperium or being punished so harshly that they seek chaos to get more power. Some times they fall to chaos by being tricked.

>>723172689
Usually its from grandaddy issues, though the World Beares didnt really have a choice, since their genetic defect is being near incapable of disobeying their Primarch. So when Lorgar joined chaos, then every one of his sons joined too despite their own opinions on the subject.
Though the second biggest Chaos Undivided faction, is made up of Space Marines who were sent on completely unreasonable missions by the Emperium and instead decided to just go AWOL, and become renegade space pirates.

what are the chaos primarchs even doing? why is a space marine captain the protag of the chaos marine forces

>>723172689
Most do it as a lottery ticket to power/immortality. Becoming a daemon prince makes you immortal and gives you limited omnipotence within the warp. You could have a sub-real where you just play vidya for 50 million years while 1 nanosecond passed in real space, then go back in time to impregnate your own mum or someshit.

>>723173275
They all 'ascended' to deamonhood, which means they can't enter realspace whenever or wherever they want. They need the barrier between reality and unreality to be weaker to manifest themselves. Mortals like Abbaddon and Kharn are not limited by this.

>>723173120
>>723173173
>>723173375
So they're either trowing a bitch tantrum or couting on impossible odds. Dumbasses.

I got 2 of the Sisters battleforce boxes on clearance price so I tried building this. How should I improve it?

>>723172706
but horus heresy is the source of the source of the space marines repressed homosexuality.

>>723159568 (OP)
Calth was an act of self defense

>>723173625
by selling them and buying space marines

>>723173275
Because GW for some reason think people like Abaddon, despite the contrary being quite obvious.
Lorgar seems to be the next 'active' chaos primarch.
Besides that Mortarion was pretty active during the relatively recent Plague Wars. And its hinted that Konrad Curze has been reincarnated as a loyalist half primarch/space marine, leading the Carcharodons chapter.

>>723173625
Might be too many rhinos and you'll want more battleline sisters

Alpha Legion = jews

>>723172434
they still look cool, wish I could buy them now

>>723173275
>what are the chaos primarchs even doing?
Jobbing mostly

>>723173894
>Alpha Legion = jews
nah, bro
they are anti-jews

>>723173807
>its hinted that Konrad Curze has been reincarnated as a loyalist half primarch/space marine, leading the Carcharodons chapter

>>723173612
The odds are really against them because the gods are fickle. A champion might be an exemplar of his god for five thousand years and be on the precipice of achieveing deamonhood, but the god wasn't feeling it on that day so the champion gets turned into mindless chaos spawn, while on another day a slave that revolted for the first time against his master and dedicated the kill to Khorne will get daemonhood because Khorne vibed with it.

>>723173807
>And its hinted that Konrad Curze has been reincarnated as a loyalist half primarch/space marine, leading the Carcharodons chapter.
That's bullshit but I believe it

I can't believe 11th edition is already coming out fuck GW

>>723165864
alpha legion, maybe thousand sons if they could somehow be brought back into the fold after they finish re-assembling magnus
Iron Warriors were interesting in kind of being the opposite of what I think you're trying to say (loyalists that use/worship chaos), by being traitors that were still human-supremacist and hated chaos. They weren't siding with chaos during the war, Perturabo just hated the Emperor and regularly got pissed as his brothers for debasing themselves with chaos/xeno shit. IW marines hack off limbs that started growing tentacles or straight-up kill themselves before mutating completely. Then GW decided "actually Perturabo is a daemon prince now lol lmao" and ruined what little identity they had left. They were one of the most unique legions and GW took away basically their only defining feature and turned them into "what if fists but chaos and more manchild autist than emotionless autist".
It is, in my opinion, the worst a legion has been ruined by writing. Usually legions get more fleshed out the more is written about them, but somehow they figured out a way to make a legion LESS complex and interesting by writing MORE.

>>723173173
Most of the Word Bearers went along with it because they had a bone to pick with the Emperor for "forsaking" them and the Ultramarines for not having their backs and refusing to destroy Monarchia. Lorgar didn't have to do much to get them onboard.

>>723173275
Not sure if I got it right, but turns out, daemonhood for a Primarch was a trick, they have innate Warp-based potential which not many have realized, and going full demon just shackles them to the will of their patron God, who are typically more interested in the Great Game within the Warp (aka infighting).

>>723172440
>Its because they keep stealing shit from everyone.
the niggers of the empire, i see

>>723173656
best part of Calth is Samus being summoned to some ritual by Erebus, and just going "fuck this bald nerd" then teleporting away from the magic circle with little effort, manifesting as a giant daemon somewhere else so he can wrestle a baneblade

>>723175267
>Perturabo just hated the Emperor and regularly got pissed as his brothers for debasing themselves with chaos/xeno shit
didn't Perty like Obliterators?

>>723173656
>damn, Calt is a shithole

>>723174135
Its been a while since i read all the relevant books but its outright stated in Night Lords trilogy that Konrad and Talos's divination abilities are broken and deteriorating them, because they are the first generation with those abilities. This gets confirmed later when Talos has his geneseed harvested and put into a guy called Decimus who has zero of the negative effects. When Konrad died he had an empty Eldar spirit stone on him, and Tyberos had a filled spirit stone on him when he was turned into a space marine, who just so happens to be closer to a primarchs size than a normal space marine.
This combined with the origin of the Carcharodons chapter being unknown, except for Tyberos claiming that they totally descend from the Raven Guard. Which is the most compatible legion to how the Nightlords used to function, if you remove the deranged flaying and mass torture. Though it has been directly stated that their warfare is more akin to the Nightlords than the Raven Guard.
Tyberos also uses the same weapons as Konrad Curze did.
He is noted to be freakishly sneaky, extremely knowledgeable on torture and fear.
Also pretty much the only positive thing about Konrad's home planet was the sharks.

There might be more examples that i dont remember, but its hinted that Tyberos is effectively a reincarnated or second generation Konrad Curze, but free of the insanity and degradation he suffered from in his first life. And he now lives a weaker yet sane and loyal life in the Emperium.

Im not personally convince it is Konrad Curze, but GW has written it in a way that he can be brought back easily if they decide to go that route.

>>723166272
i just read this, this was hilarious
>alpha legion warband essentially just unknowingly ruse each other, then are rused by the ultimate ruse being

>>723175687
Boy, that would be the dumbest thing ever except, I suppose, for how they plan to bring back all the others.

Have you heard the good word of Lorgar?

>>723173807
Tyberos isn't Kurze, but Kurze's warp essence is probably the monster they keep in the big fish tank on their flagship.

>>723172706
>Primaris lame
>posts the Saturnine shit, which is even more reflective of GW's lame new design stuff
I like both but people that shit on primaris are the same people that shit on saturnine termies.

>>723176750
Saturnine looks cool as fuck, but you have to remove those retarded pauldrons.

>>723175967
>Erebus giving lorgar credit for anything
you must be alpharius

>>723177210
fuck you pauldroncel. kys you limp shouldered tauoid mech loving fuck

>>723165864
If you mean Chapters descended from traitor legions that remained loyal; millions of them. If you mean Chaos corrupted and still loyal then no (or maybe - Dark Angels are possibly an inverse of the "loyalist traitors" theme, Space Wolves do a whole bunch of bizzare sorcerous rituals but ummm it's ok because we worship wolves or something and Leman Russ is a massive fucking faggot, Alpha legion maybe are "purposely" fractured, dispersed, and le secretly running psyops on chaos/destroying humanity to destroy chaos depending on which nigger you believe, theoretically Lorgar was SO loyal to the emprah that he was traitorous and is ultimately the reason he DID turn into a "chaos" god)

>>723177302
Go back to /40kg/ you disgusting, subhuman swine.

>>723165864
About 50% of the White Scars declared for Horus, and then quietly just flipped back in the middle of the war

>>723177210
If you remove the pauldrons might as well do a regular termie anon.
the pauldrons ARE what makes the saturnine unique in design
Also saturnine dreadnaughts are horrible as far as I'm concerned.

>>723177281
Shut up, Horus.

>>723176750
Saturnine shit is based on old-ass Termies.

>>723177692
In their defence, most of those guys remained loyal to their primarch when he openly declared for the Emperor. And a lot of them essentially sacrificed themselves to inconvenience the other traitors. To make up for their earlier lapse in judgement

there are no more pathetic consoomers than GW paypigs
>Kill Team has planned obsolescence on fucking plastic
>killing entire games like Mordheim
>prices out of the ass
>killing entire armies
but as we can see in this thread even if you steal from them they will grumble just to admit later on they will buy it anyway
https://www.reddit.com/r/stormcasteternals/comments/1bvmpa4/fuck_it_gw_just_deleted_my_whole_army/

Alpha legion is probably the only space marine legion loyal or traitor that i like

>>723177993
>there are no more pathetic consoomers than GW paypigs
and I bet they’ll keep on slopping until the end of the time. do you think they’ll have a breaking point though?

>>723169670
>I think I could deal with life under a Nurgle or Tzeentch cult but Khorne and Slaanesh worlds must be 24/7 orgies of violence.

Khorne
> endless violence
Slaanesh
> endless excess to the point of torture
Nurgle
> shitloads of plagues and other vile shit

Mutations aside, what does Tzeentch to fuck you up?

>>723166306
That was kind of a fan thing that was hinted at now and then but nowadays GW wants clear answers for everything so it's going away.

>>723175267
>My indefatigable lord of iron
>Something something about sadness of the challenges that will come before him
If you take the reading that the Emperor purposely gamed the Heresy and "knew" half would have to be against him because of some bargain with Chaos, then there's a reasonable interpretation that he wanted Perturabo to turn "renegade" and secretly be an inside man like a last line of defence for humanity. It also has a nice symmetry that Perturabo is so spiteful and hard-headed that his sons (almost) literally cut off their nose to spite their face when it comes to chaos corruption and Dorn was considered so autistic that knowledge of chaos is a cognitohazard.

Like there was an "end times" hook with Dorn getting dragged to the warp and inevitably coming back corrupted, and Perturabo "coming back" as an independent anti-chaos(ish) renegade

I feel like they were sprinkling in some possibilities there because it's hard to believe that the Emperor really was so stupid as to think the Iron Warriors are just a bunch of faggot shitheels that deserve to be space jannies, when they actually (did) embody the perfect space marines that he at least thought he wanted
>Absolutely brutal
>Ruthlessly efficient
>Absolutely iron-willed
>Borderline "irrationally" irreligious

>>723178490
>Mutations aside, what does Tzeentch to fuck you up?
The rampant mutations, mostly. Waking up and finding that a second head is growing out of your head will kind of mess up your day.

>>723178490
tzeentch will just turn you into a horrible mutant/chaos spawn for fun, or reveal to you the fundamental truths of the universe and make you go insane. At best you'll just become a mindless pawn doing seemingly pointless tasks to fulfill some incoherent grand plan.

>>723178490
Mutations are bad enough. That and constant shifting on reality.

There's some lore about how living on TSons' home planet (which is now in the Warp) isn't that bad if you can deal with reality shifting. TSons have some kinda legacy respect for humans since they had a strong connection with Prospero's defense forces, and if you are a psyker you can hope to even be uplifted into a TSons member somehow. I mean, the entire reason Magnus fell was because he wanted to save Prospero.

>>723175641
the book that describes that and the one that says Perturabo became a daemon prince were published in the same year (2018)

loyalist primarchs are ghey. all of them should die. maybe 1 should be kept alive. 2 is too much. chaos primarchs are aite

>>723172112
Iron Warriors are the "reasonable" Chaos Marines

I like the Minotaurs for just being High Lord sanctioned menaces to other Space Marine chapters without delving into edgy like Marines Malevolent

>>723178490
Tzeentch cults are a constant power struggle, where your biggest enemies are your own allies. If you do too well, then it increases the chance Tzeentch will personally manipulate your homies to betray you, just for fun. Also atleast half of your cult will end up as shitty mutants, with maybe one or two guys getting cool mutant powers.

>>723175267
>muh IW never use chaos
perturabo was never 'retconned' into being a demon prince, that was what he always was even back to index astartes when the legions first had their backstories fleshed out.

>>723159568 (OP)
Generic mary sue marines.

>>723178490
Potentially the worst of all

>>723172112
AL are infiltrators who specialize in formenting rebellions and fighting guerilla conflicts, but I wouldn't call them reasonable. Even in older lore they were always super arrogant and tried to accomplish their goals in the most convoluted way possble.

>>723173275
They got promoted off the board

>>723159778
primaris is the worst thing to happen to all chapter, their gene flaws defined their battle tactics and their lore.
now everyone is just a ultra copy

>>723173275
Lorgar is actively being bullied by Corax inside the warp where he has turned into a shadowy bird monster. Lorgar is so fucking scared of bird Corax that he has to hide in a magic tower of literal haxx with IRL cheatcodes to keep him out

Aside from that, they're not doing much else. It seems Mortarion gets the most realspace action, almost killing Rowboat Girlyman again until Big Emps personally possesses Rowboat and gives a big FUCK YOU to Nurgle. Mortarion almost considers absolution until his big green daddy sends him back to his slimy disease bedroom

No one really knows that Perturabo is doing, probably something autistic

Same with Fulgrim, he seems content for Fabius Bile to take the Emperor's Children limelight while he stays upset about killing Ferrus Manus.

>>723174248
With Khorne it's probably more appreciated if some random shitheel slave had enough and, with absolutely no knowledge of any of that fruity warp shit, just went berserk and against all odds butchered his captors. Sort of makes sense that that's more impressive than "Gorgox Bloodcleaver, destroyer of vertebrae and planets" bashed a bunch of flashlight wielding guardsmen, or even le heroic one on one combat (because that starts smelling a little slaneshi)

>>723169670
>Khorne
"Orgies" of violence
>Slaanesh
Orgies of violence

>>723179795
What about regular orgies?

>>723159568 (OP)
>why is the default vanilla ice cream flavor called “boring”
Take a wild guess

>>723160520
>>723162448
Holy shit you need to familiarize yourself with the setting.

>>723159568 (OP)
They’re the poster boys so people will see them as default for that alone
Most other chapters end up feeling like a deviation so that makes them inherently more interesting
They’re also kind of Mary sues even compared to a lot of other marines so people end up disliking them for that on top of them in lore being just guys who are good at everything and like rules
Their roman motif was something that was forgotten in favor of GW wanting to make them look more the part of generic poster boys but i think their last wave of releases last month brought that back to a lot of positive energy for their fans
Speaking of which, when they got that release, people who like other factions felt cheated out, not just xenos and chaos. OTHER space marine chapters. Where the other chapters got 1 character each after a long time, UM got more shit in an entire week than Deathwatch has in their entire history of being a codex

>>723169670
So in other words, just as bad as imperial worlds just with less rules and less organization. It’s the difference between being sold into slavery or living in mad max without a car. Pick your poison.

>>723181267
Not every Imperial world sucks but every chaos world does

>>723181389
You clearly aren’t familiar with chaos worlds if you think they’re in any way a monolith.

>>723159568 (OP)
i just played space marine 1 for the first time and i dig it. i'm kinda stuck on the final boss right now doing the waves (playing on hard) but i will get there. gonna play boltgun after this, i just got it when it finally dipped to 50% off on the sale. i was never into ultramarines before this but i can understand why someone would get into them from these games. personally i always liked the black templars based solely on their name, even though i know nothing about them. they may be the grand cuck chapter for all i know

>>723181509
>Yeah bro just pledge your entire planet to entities that feed off of human souls it won't be that bad
I actually like chaos but you fags who try to whitewash it are just annoying

>>723181509
How do I get to one of these 'chill' chaos worlds?

>>723181631
Basically Titus definitely wasn't an Ultramarine's marine, and the LT in Boltgun is Khorne Doomguy without being Khorne somehow. Not typical of Ultramarines at all. Or at least the Ultramarines that everyone knows and hates from the 2000s.

>>723181389
The only imperial worlds that don’t suck are feudal, agri, and pleasure worlds, and even then there’s still the chance that the nobility and planetary governor will just have you servitorized or mutilated for fun provided you aren’t of the nobility. Life for 99% of humans is a living hell for everyone in the Imperium and that’s the fucking point. The setting is intentionally grim, despotic, and hopeless and I’m sick of you secondary fags chugging kool-aid trying to make an orwelian nightmare into some heroic struggle like lord of the rings that it fundamentally isn’t.

>>723179601
that's is mostly outdated now.

Lorgar is at large in realspace again leading the Word Bearers. No word on if Corax is still after him but i assume he is.

Mortarion and Magnus both took cracks at ultramar and were thwarted by Gulliman. But are otherwise at large in realspace.

Fulgrim is currently at the head of an apparently crusade sized Slaaneshi fleet.

Angron was at large but got his shit pushed in and banished to the warp by the Lion. But given that the great rift has fucked the balance of power up, he probably has respawned already somewhere else.

You're spot on with Perturabo, other than final confimation that he's ascended to daemonhood, we have no idea what he's doing right now. Probably building gunpla with Vashtorr until GW figures out what to do with them both.

Alpharius is running(sitting) around probably(doubtfully) being a funny(very serious) little(big) guy but who can say?

Curze is either in a fishtank on the Charcarodons flagship, is their chapter master, or is in a soul stone in Tyberos's armor or some shit. Or just dead.

>>723181927
>The only imperial worlds that don’t suck are feudal, agri, and pleasure worlds
I humbly accept your concession.

>>723181976
>but who can say
You can, because you are Alpharius.

>>723182052
You do realize that 80% of humanity resides on hive worlds? The likelihood of you being born on a pleasure world is so low that you have a greater chance of being sold into slavery on a night lord vessel or being in proximity to tau space. Compare that to Tzentchian planets that are chill as long as you can avoid looking at the sky.

I'm not in the loop with 40k/GW scummery, did they release an "even more space mariney" line just to try and force their biggest cash cow of the fanbase to spend 10 bucks a model or whatever assembling an entirely new army to stay the space-marinest you can be?

>>723181132
If imperial fists were the poster boys people would probably feel the same about them
And they have even less uniqueness going for them than even the UM

>>723181927
Aren't agri world like planet sized greenhouses where ever day is harvest day and you can't go outside without choking on the residual plant matter and fertilizer in the air?

>>723181976
>Magnus took a crack at Ultramar
Fenris*

>>723181976
There are some rumours of Iron Warriors getting a refresh in 11th, Perty could get some lore/model then.

>>723181976
Also Angron reappeared in Armageddon again and got his shit pushed in by the Wolves, Black Templars and Grey Knights. That was the most recent stuff in the present edition and coincided with the Wolves model refresh and the new codices for Grey Knights and Templars.

>>723182871
The rumour is that they're getting a Kill Team release and I don't think Iron Warriors ever had a actual range to begin with so there's nothing for GW to refresh.

>>723182525
they always mostly release Space Marine stuff
i mean they recently got the Christmas Battle Force, the Terminator Battleforce, set of heads, jump pack captain, list goes on for what they've gotten in only the last few months

but last month Ultramarines got this
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ujwr1rgf/marneus-calgar-and-new-ultramarines-prepare-to-defend-ultramar

its not like the other chapters haven't gotten anything though, the other under utilized chapters all got their own combat patrol and characters
its not like they're in the same position as xenos, (dark eldar lost 7 datasheets) and chaos is still salty about YEAR OF CHAOS

>>723182378
>wake up on Tzeentchian chaos world
>or did I???
>cut off a finger just to make sure
>it grows back as a tentacle
>okay Im up now
>go outside and see my neighbor Lucanius or maybe a pink horror I can never tell
>walk 5 meter and clip into the ground
>spend 1000 years navigating a non-euclidian labyrinth where the floor is tar and the walls whisper slurs not yet invented.
>wake up
>or did I???
At least it's not a Nurgle world

>>723183486
A Nurgle world would be your average wage slave life but with more sickness and drastically lower life expectancy. It'd be miserable but you wouldn't be killed outright like you would on Khornite or Slaaneshi worlds. Life would be pretty predictable for the most part I think.

>tfw you'll never rape and torture a bolter bitch into submission until she is corrupted by Slaanesh
Feels bad man

>>723183420
most of those first founding boxes kind of suck though, although the characters all look pretty cool
space wolves got a huge range update this year and got topped off with a kill team
dark angels are the cover of the latest warhammer heroes release
blood angels have nothing to feel happy about
deathwatch was almost squatted this year, and grey knights is still begging for a refresh

>>723183662
I thought Nurgles whole thing is that you don't die or you're in a state undeath but otherwise almost sedated. Occasionally your mind and body reconnect and you have an awful moment of lucidity but otherwise you keep on chuggin'.

Is there an Ork clan that makes fun of the Ultramarines? Like, 'we do dis by da book' then they write in a book 'we stomp dey heads'.

>>723182378
bad example
a navigator got kidnapped by the nightlords and felt like she was living a better life apparently. just goes to show you how bad life in the imperium could be
although, she was a navigator so she was important, and the nightlords aren't always chaos worshippers, just assholes

>>723184028
>dangling metal dick cloth
heh

>>723184296
>iron hands
>dicks

Ho do Space Masrines get to feature in all the games except for Rogue Trader which is still the best 40k game?

>>723184130
No in the one of the books, I think Lords of Silence, it's mentioned on one of their worlds the life expectancy is hilariously low like early 20s. The immortality thing is not reserved for all of Nurgle's followers but it might vary from author to author.

Waiting for another Tau game. Need muh FIRE WARRIOR 2

>>723184419
>>723184130
Generally for Nurgle, the plagues and diseases are rampant, but his more faithful become immune to the pain and discomfort of them or start to enjoy the feeling. While his best and most favored can enter into a sort of undeath. That doesn't stop the lowest from being granted the sort of undeath blessing, but without the immune/enjoyment of the pain of their illness.

>>723184715
Unironically Fire Warrior 2 would fucking rock with how far the FPS genre has come.

I began writing a short story of a chaos sorcerer who was the last of his warband. The gist is, he boards an escape pod, flies through space for decades meditating, through warp magic he hurls onto an imperium planet and acting as a rogue agent he corrupts the population by creating cults and destroying the governance from within. Completely undetected, his main enemies are Arbites and psykers.

I wanted the planet to be so low tech that they had a psyker acting like a village shaman/witch, and it felt more like a fantasy story than 40k, where all technology is considered magic.

>>723184805
>That doesn't stop the lowest from being granted the sort of undeath blessing, but without the immune/enjoyment of the pain of their illness.
So basically they become poxwalkers.

>>723184858
Fire Warrior 2 will be nicknamed Taufall

so are Krieg basically the new poster boys for the Guard? is Cadia wank finally dead?

>>723185247
>tfw no mgs5 clone where you play as a stealthsuit commando

Propsero will rise again.

>>723185407
pretty much, all the new people getting into 40k know about krieg and not cadians so they are getting all the attention. Pissess me off too because of all the retarded shovel memes. If any of them actually read imperial armor they'd know kriegers were obsessed with bayonet drills to the point they had space-marine tier WS4

>>723184368
>Owlcat
>Best 40k game
Grim. Dark even

>>723185936
Yeah the shovel shit annoys me too and I actually like Krieg. I mean do the minis even have shovels? I don't think they do. They all have lasrifles and sabers.

>>723185503
There will one day be a Taufag author who copies Metal Gear and he’ll make a character that’s a Solid Snake rip off. Then, he’ll end the Farsight Enclaves by overthrowing Commander Farsight and The Eight

>>723185936
what's the origin of the shovel meme anyways

>>723186702
They should just make a Doom clone where you play as Kais. The whole game can just be him fucking up death guard on that one planet we last saw him on.

>>723182052
>Agriworls
>Not shit
Agri world's aren't collectives of peasant farmers. They're terraformed factories designed to extract every drop of nutrient out of the soil while dumping an ocean of Herbicide, Pesticide, Fungicide to kill off any living thing that isn't the crop they're growing.

>>723185407
its only been a year, we have to wait a few more to see if this sticks. although they did get A LOT
maybe 11th edition Catachan will get their long awaited refresh and they'll become the new poster boys for a while and maybe we'll just shuffle between the face of guard. I can't wait for abhumans!

>>723186907
Also, usually the works are starving.

>>723165864
Soul Drinkers.

>>723187383
I'm hoping they refresh Catachans and Vostroyans and maybe Ice Warriors but to what extent? Krieg got a fuckton. Unless they retire a lot of old stuff in 11th that nobody uses like Manticores and all the flying shit

>>723188150
>>723187383
Surely with the opening box being Armaggedon again it'll be Steel Legion right?

>>723188716
just paint your krieg as steel legion

>>723188716
I think if they were going to do Steel Legion they already would have by now instead of Krieg to coincide with 11th.

>>723189042
Aren't we still in 10th?

>>723189158
Yeah but 11th comes out next summer. I'm just saying if they were ever intending on doing a Steel Legion refresh they wouldn't have done Krieg earlier this year. It makes zero sense for them to release two extremely similar regiments back to back. I anticipate anyone who wants to play Steel Legion will have to paint their Kriegers in Armageddon colours.

>>723165864
>loyalist CSM
no, those that think they so are merely deluded
>CSM from loyalist chapters
yes plenty

>>723186907
It's really both, in the black crusade Warhammer monthly comic chaos invaded one that basically looked like a amish planet.

>>723159568 (OP)
Gockun could beat them.

>>723189583
Gay
Steel Legion is far superior.

logistics on that universe dont make any sense

>>723189948
I like both but yeah Steel Legion would've made more sense I think. I just like the gasmask and world wars aesthetic both have got going on

>>723159568 (OP)
in a vaccum they are fine
the issue is that 90% of the media is just ultramarines now

>>723189980
Oddly, Ork logistics seem the most sane.

>>723190104
Steel Legion has a way cooler background and story. I dunno why Krieg ended up the poster boys alongside Cadia. Pisses me off.

>>723159568 (OP)
Since 2nd ED, they were the poster boys for Space Marines in general.
The problem with them is that they were done in the most obnoxious way possible to the point it finally reached a critical point with the 5th ED SM Codex that was in fact a disguised Codex Ultramarines where every non-Guilliman descended Chapter was called inferior.
This is why also Matt Ward was hated for the most (that and Codex Grey Knights...).
After that GW made sure to tone down all of this and actually try to make them cool.

But in all honesty? Want genuinely cool Ultramarines? Then Great Crusade/Horus Heresy Eras Ultramarines are actually awesome. Maximum Greco-Roman and overall cool. A different breed compared to current day ones.

>>723189980
The logistics are rule of cool-tier, it does not matter if the standard caliber of every single bullet in the wh40k universe (or at least those used by orks, marines and tau) would be realistically able to pierce through the hardest concrete you could possibly think of like its made out of styrofoam (even steel blocks would get reduced to swiss cheese realistically in wh40k) on top of it being so comically strong that the recoil could snap your entire skeleton in a single shot but then you see regular humies use bolt pistols just fine, it's all about aura and hype moments when the bolter is actually an RPG that explodes somebody from the inside out.
Just as >>723190273 said, Ork logistics are the more logical in wh40k because they at least keep it simple, they got the physical bulk to make the comically large caliber from 40k guns make sense, they make stupid contraptions that can work even if they only do so because they believe their dakka can dakka and all that.

>>723159568 (OP)
they are the vanila ice cream of 40k that's why. Also most of the hate is because they get the most model releases out of every faction which makes sense from a business perspective but the fags from the niche factions will still get mad about it

>>723159568 (OP)
Because they suck dick in the lore mostly thanks to he he shant be named. They do their best to compensate in other depictions of them.

>>723191265
They don't actually get the most releases out of every faction since every generic Space Marine box can be painted as whatever chapter you want. They just get featured in a shitload of official GW promotional art is all.

>>723165927
In modern times, in a proper world it would be expected

>>723185407
eh yes and no, right now Krieg is shilled because they got a big wave of model releases but who knows how long it will stick

In the two most recent Crusade books Cadians were the most common Guard regiments on Sangua Terra while Krieg were the largest guard force on Armageddon for Season of Blood GW said the Steel Legion has basically disintegrated on their own planet because of Angron and the WE l m a o

>>723191265
black templars = chocolate (2nd most popular)
Space Wolves = strawberry (very popular to some, but confusingly popular to others)
Dark Angels = Cookies and Cream (like vanilla but with a little extra)
Crimson Fists = French Vanilla (a little more flavor, but still vanilla)
Blood Angels = Frozen Yogurt (only women like it)

>>723193989
by women, you mean wo(men) right? ;)

>>723159568 (OP)
They don't carry wolf pelts to be looted.

>>723193584
>GW said the Steel Legion has basically disintegrated on their own planet because of Angron and the WE l m a o
Absolutely fucking gay. Source?
God I hate GW.

>>723194573
>>723193584
Was such a shit send off too. The crusade book screamed "You get to fight angron!" but Saturday morning cartoon villain style. They killed him. TWICE.

>>723162467
The new Sanguinary Guard as so damn soulless.

>>723195315
Seriously, do you actually have any confirmation they're done though? Because I don't recall reading that in the season of blood stuff. They ought off Angron and that was that

>>723160863
dark angels are kind of tame honestly
probably because the knight motif is already shared among 2 other chapters
but also that they're supposed to be the chapter that has access to forbidden tech but they don't really use stuff thats that much more unique than everyone else. like they just have slightly better terminators, slightly better bikes, and little dudes who hang around them.
wing helmets are cool though

>>723173656
It unironically was.
https://youtu.be/XOna7xIDIkE?si=YvubeKU1CPZrofWK

>>723194209
No that’s the Tyranids