Thread 723169885

I don't know how to play this game the right way.

>>723169885 (OP)
What do you mean? I’m playing through if for the first time and I think there only two major things to avoid so you don’t fuck yourself over:

1. Make sure your generic units compliant Ramza’s zodiac sign

2. Don’t let Ramza be higher level than your generics

And ALWAYS make back up saves. The game can be tough, and sometimes fights require a specific ability which can result in grinding but otherwise it’s very manageable

There's no such thing as a right way to play it. Do whatever you think is the most fun.

>>723169885 (OP)
>get all my classes and cool weapons and shit
>game is about to end
Damn this game is such a classic I ALWAYS wish there was more when I play it

>>723170104
>1. Make sure your generic units compliant Ramza’s zodiac sign
Having played every version of FFT several times I've always ignored this. Its completely unnecessary spedrunner autism to even think about
>2. Don’t let Ramza be higher level than your generics
Level barely affects anything
When beating Ivalice Chronicles my Ramza was 12 levels higher than the 4 generics I used in every battle
>sometimes fights require a specific ability
Not true

>>723169885 (OP)
What makes you feel you are playing wrong, anon? Stuck on a certain fight? Are you overleveled for your chapter so random encounters are scaling up higher than your gear? Are you just having your female generics naked and they get smacked down a lot?

>>723170194
I did it on the PS1 and I did it on IC. Mod that shit, I used action replay to make custom characters back in the day and you can use cheatengine to create custom chars in the remaster too. Sword Saint Ramza, Celia and Letties on your team etc.

>>723170104
>>723170453
Like, how do I play this game without grinding all the time? Not that I need power, but I always feel like I'm grinding to unlock some ability. Like, let's take Geomancer as a recent example. I'm a noob, so I don't know what terrain counts as what. So, now I'm going into a random battle to unlock all of the job actions cuz I don't know what does what. Same thing with the math job. I bought one of the actions, went into battle, and I couldn't use it, so now I want to grind it out to unlock everything.

So now I'm level 34 on Ramza while still in chapter 2, and I haven't even met that church guy yet after getting the princess from Delita. My generic NPCs are lower-leveled but still strong enough.

>>723169885 (OP)
Yeah it's really bad at making the fun things to do obvious and discouraging you from trying boring bullshit. All the people that have been playing it for decades probably do not do a single thing they thought they wanted in their first playthrough

>>723170751
I personally try to quickly get generics into the job I want them to do then keep them in it with minimal bouncing around. The system is just not made for learning by trying stuff because jp is so restrictive

>>723171007
That's the thing. I don't even know what I want. I like trying out all the different jobs until I learn if they suck or not. I could just use a guide, but that's boring. I want to find the fun things on my own. Not just make an OP party to steamroll the game. But I'm now making an OP party that steamrolls the game in my journey to try out everything. Like, I tried out Archer and I thought it sucked ASS, and I never wanted to play it again. So what did it do? I mastered it, so I would never have to play it again. And then I did the same thing with Thief.

>>723170372
Main thing about aligning zodiac signs is missing buffs less and not getting one shot by wiegraf

>>723170751
Much like >>723170194 was alluding to, the chances of you maxing out every class for a character before you beat the game, or even after, is very slim without grinding. You don't necessarily need to do that though, you are probably leaning a character towards physical attacks or magic, so that cuts down a few.

Geomancers, you can see the ground under a character, I think it used to be Select or something. If you're not literally standing in water it doesn't count as being in water, that sort of thing. Math nerds are dependant on what you are calculating, CT or level or the like, and they use other magic from classes your character has learned, so if you flew past white or black magic and focused on the other abilities, it isn't going to work.

>>723171268
>I never wanted to play it again. So what did it do? I mastered it
Tell your doctor about this behavior.

>>723171268
Yeah the system just isn't made for it and learning by trying is gonna be hell. rather than a guide of what's top tier you want something like a manual that just lets you plan a goal

How does the leveling mechanics work in this game? How does the stat progression work?
What do the levels on each job do? Is it just for unlocking new jobs?

>>723171339
>>723171493
Right now, Ramza is a Ninja and I like that a lot.
I have another melee guy as well. He's usually a monk but is now the Geomancer.
My 3 other generics are every flavor of mage. Right now, one is a white mage with black magic. Another is an Orator with time magic, and the other is a Summoner with I don't recall.

>>723170372
>having played every version multiple times
That’s the thing, you’re already so competent at the game you don’t need to even think about. First time through, missing a raise or buff due to zodiac misalignment can be infuriating and ruin an hour long slog of a fight. It’s so simple to remove this from being a possibility new players might as well

>>723171759
Sounds like enough to just plow through the game with what you have.

>>723171832
>First time through, missing a raise or buff due to zodiac misalignment can be infuriating and ruin an hour long slog of a fight
Never happened to me as a kid on my first play

job levels are primarily for unlocking other jobs, but they also have an effect on how much JP you earn for doing an action on that job.

>>723171845
I wish I could do that. In the last thread, I learned that time mages have teleport. I somehow overlooked it. I've heard varying opinions on it, but now I want it so...
I didn't know some enemies couldn't go into water until I recruited a minotaur. When I saw that, I knew exactly how to grind JP without having to worry about damage.
And now I just noticed the geomancy thing on the right lol

>>723172375
for >>723171585

>>723171893
Well it does happen, so why not avoid it all together. No reason to be such a snit about it

>>723172693
Because rerolling all of your generics until you get perfect zodiac synergy with Ramza only to give time magic, talk, and white magic a small increase to their chance to hit is a gigantic waste of time?

a mix of knights and monks
you don't need a white mage

>>723173119
It takes about 3 minutes at the start of the game, 10 if you have bad luck. When missing a single raise can nuke difficult fights for the remainder of the run through. Why are you adamant about something so minor? I’m just trying to help an anon out. Christ you shut ins are so miserable

>started a new game
>want to rush through
recommend me a ramza build

I don't think my generics are very complementary.

>>723173674
if you just want to blitz the game with little effort then unarmed ninja with martial arts and brawler is probably the classic option that trivializes everything.

i'm enjoying errands as an alternative way to grind JP without leveling, also the stories are whimsical

>>723169885 (OP)
>Monk
>Earth Slash
congrations, you win

still waiting for crack :(

How long until modders add the WotL content, or at least Dark Knight? I wanted to hold off until then, but my resilience is waning.

>act
>arithmetics
>last two digits of post
>prime
>toad
>perform this action?
>perform

>>723170104
>Don’t let Ramza be higher level than your generics
This is the big thing for me and I've played FFT for years. Ramza is one of the first units who has abilities that can be used at any time (Mettle) with no condition and he's used in every plot battle. At one point I wondered why everyone was doing less damage, moving slower and getting one shotted after making sure their equipment was perfect. Turns out Ramza was 20 levels higher than everyone else and the enemies scaled. This isn't much of a problem until you unlock maps with harder random encounters and the story starts scaling with you.

>>723173442
Calling someone miserable because he slightly downplayed the worth of autistically rerolling something that probably will never matter is kinda crazy.

>>723174561
It's perfect when a generic switches to a job that needs heavy initial investment. My arithmetician started with 120 jp which is fucking worthless for the class. Throw them into some errands and they're ready for their first test battle.

>>723169885 (OP)
All of my party members other than Ramza are women. I heard gender actually matters in this game, so what am I losing/gaining?

>>723175573
>women get better magic atk and def
>men get better physical atk and def
>women get dancer
>men get bard
>the difference between equipment is gone now so men can wear ribbons/barrettes and perfume now so that's moot
I think that's most of the differences.

>>723175573
Women get +1 magic attack instead of physical attack and can get dancer (physical support debuff class with global range) instead of Bard (Magical buff focused class with global range)

The big thing is Bards get +3 movement as a move skill instead of dancer’s Jump+3

>>723175737
>>723175864
this game is sexist. Women can be just a good a bard as men.

>>723176070
Factually incorrect. Men should have dancer too.

>>723175202
i'm hoping someone is autistic enough to recreate 1.3 but till then i'm really enjoying Ivalice Chronicles
>>723175357
learning this the hard way on tactician where if you don't grind the damage difference between enemy hits and my generic HP is oneshot

>>723176372
i kneel

>>723176372
do you think anyone will ever mod him into FFT?

Should i go to midlight's deep or the last mullonde sequence first? I heard the latter puts you back to the world map afterward with levels rolled back or something, so it seems like i should finish the story first?

>>723176981
I wouldnt be surprised if he already was ages ago

>>723169885 (OP)
You don't need to think too hard. This is one of the easiest tactics games I've ever played.

>>723177029
finish the story so you aren't insanely OP for it, then do midlight's deep then do the final story bits again but beefed the fuck up

>>723177029
Mullonde>Midnights deep>Final battle sequence

>Hear the Wiegraf fight is brutal
>I’m underleveled so I don’t think I can fight him normally
>Decide to unga bunga my way to victory
>Walk up to him with two handed axe (+12 ATK)
>Bracers (+3 ATK)
>Headband (+2 ATK)
>Power Garb (+2 ATK)
>Use an Aim +5 Axe swing
>330 damage
>Knock him into a phase change in a single hit
>Wiegraf transforms, my party rolls in
>Ramza smacks him again with another huge axe hit (he’s a very fast ninja, the axe is a deception)
>Black Mage casts Flare
>White Mage casts Holy
>Brawler runs down and pummels him
>Ramza is somehow fast enough and mobile enough to rush him down and smack him again
>He dies before he gets a second turn
Is this tactics enough, friends?

>>723180323
When people have a Ramza that can't handle Wiegraf what happens is that he gets the first turn, uses lightning stab on you, and you die instantly.

>>723175103
just play it on a switch emulator

>>723175357
>Turns out Ramza was 20 levels higher than everyone else and the enemies scaled. This isn't much of a problem until you unlock maps with harder random encounters and the story starts scaling with you.
This last bit isn't true. Story battle enemies are set at certain levels. They don't scale with your party. Random encounters, yes. So grinding your weaker units can get riskier. Monster enemies in story battles, yes. That's why Finnath Creek can be so rough if your party is a really high level. But your standard story battle with human enemies, no.

So what are the passive effects each job has? I didn’t realize Ninjas got dual wielding for free and you only need to unlock it for OTHER classes to use.

I guess there's two people of tactics players
>the game can be tough, make backups
and
>I spent the last 50 hours in mandalia plains and now I have a max level ninja/monk/wizard/chemist team before dorter

>>723180738
not every job has an innate passive. off the top of my head there is
Monk - Brawler
Chemist - Treasure Hunt
Ninja - Dual Wield
I think Orator comes with Monster Talk? I don't member

So people STILL don't know the exact numbers of Aim + x charge time?

>>723170194
That's what deep dark dungeon is for

>>723180738
>Ninja: Dual Wield
>Monk: Brawler
>Chemist: Treasure Hunt
>Orator: Monster Talk
>Mime: Brawler, Beastmaster, Concentrate

I THINK that's all of them

also someone finally ported the mobile sprites over so rejoice

>>723175737
Male/Female also used to affect Zodiac compatibility, but IC changed that too.

>>723175737
>def
???

>>723180863
>>723180962
Chemist also gets Throw Item, of course.

>>723180863
>>723180962
Thanks, good to know. I didn’t want to waste JP and the slots on redundant skills. I guess technically the “equip X” skills are freebies too

>>723180323
>>Black Mage casts Flare
>>White Mage casts Holy
You grinded a lot but even so only braindead shitters complain about that fight

>>723181321
equip X can be good in some use cases, I got alot of mileage out of equip sword when leveling Thief on Ramza for example just because daggers are stinky. Equip Gun is also pretty nice for casters because the later magic guns scale with Faith if you aren't too worried about carrying a stick that boosts magic attack for offensive spells. Ninja and Brawler are a notoriously strong combo

>>723182665
No, I just dumped all my points into the strongest damaging move I could really early.

>>723182665
generics can learn that stuff pretty quick via errands now that you don't need to reset to avoid random encounters in the overworld.

>>723169885 (OP)
i hate playing FFT because im always afraid of missing something.
i boughted it last week and i only have 58min played due to this fear

>>723183163
there really isn't much to miss early, like the earliest missable thing is the pig in the swamp in chapter 2, which only gives you access to later game gear.

>>723169885 (OP)
>I don't know how to play this game the right way.
all monks
win
simple as

>>723180323
ninja is game breaking by itself along with any speed changes
but lots of things break the game, it's part of the fun.

Ramza butt

>>723180723
Check out the Elmdore fight, I just did it yesterday and he was level 70. They have a minimal level range they are at but at some point in the story the fights do scale to you. I also did the Zalbaag fight and had a level 70 Ultima Demon with 999 HP.

>>723182665
>actually buying a bunch of random stuff instead of what you want

This game or triangle strategy?

>>723181153
Defense.

>>723183898
Monsters will always scale, even when they are part of a story battle.

>>723183998
What defense?

>>723169885 (OP)
>spent an hour trying to get that retarded ultima demon to cast ultima
>find out that ultima actually kind of fucking sucks ass after
>find out that I'm almost near the end of the game anyway
what the fuck

>>723184119
Zalbaag and Elmdore were both scaled as well. Unfortunately I can't find any screenshots or videos of other people with drastic examples like mine but some people are stating some story battles are exceptions and do scale. So far it's been a lot of battles for me in chapter 4.

>>723184312
Pretty sure ultima demons don't cast ultima, no?

>>723184480
They have Ultima but they much prefer Almagest 80% of the time. I didn't even bother. I'll get ultima in the deep dungeon.

Give me a team that can giga buff a hypercarry Ramza? I'm thinking Time Mage, but who can fill the other slots?

>>723184480
The Ultima Demons do in fact cast Ultima. But they really really don't like casting Ultima. Allegedly you have to make sure you have dark resistance and high faith, as well as increase their faith, and make sure their healthy, which should lower the odds they cast anything other than Ultima. That didn't work for me, so I had to confuse the stupid fucking thing while it did random shit for 20 turns and then I perma CCd Ramza's retarded zombie brother

wiegraf 1v1 time, last time I tried a jump strat it didn't work because I was too fast, but I was leveling Ninja to get dual wield. this time I haven't touched ninja, so hopefully I'll only tank 1 hallowed bolt on landing on my first jump so my team can just burn Belias to death during phase 2

>>723169885 (OP)
Tactics Ogre > FFT

God they made some incredibly gay choices with this remaster. Why the fuck can't you mass turn on/off AI? Why the fuck do I have to hold down the speed up button? Auto battling gets caught up by poaching, treasure pickups, and crystals. Treasure doesn't even auto loot on completion of battle.

Glad I'm done with all the achievements in this shitter. Everyone just turns into an OP giga unit that can do everything by the end of the game. Great voice acting though.

>>723183898
Assuming you mean the Limberry fight, Elmdore is level 41. That's fixed as part of the game, even if your units are much higher.
Random example: https://youtu.be/hNetZTgPxEU
This guy's units are in their 60s and it makes no difference.
>>723184474
Post a screenshot.

>>723184676
It's been a while, but isn't the best time to learn it from the assassin twins right before the Elmdor fight? I think I remember coaxing it out of them being easier than from the demon forms.

>>723184886
Luckily I had one save right before the Limberry fight. I was wrong. Elmdore and the assassins weren't level 70. The monsters were all scaled to around that level though so parts of story fights are scaled despite what people said. It's just that Elmdore and the assassins can do super damage and resist level 70 Orlandeu's as if they were level 70.

>>723185604
I will also add the fight at Lake Poescas, the ghost humans definitely were at my level, around 65 to 70.

>>723185135
The assassins are RNG because they get to choose between free Stop attacks, instant kill or charm or ultima but they do have a much higher chance of using ultima if you have a barette on or can resist the other debuffs at least. It's the easiest fight to learn it too since you're just dealing with Reavers and only need to defeat one assassin to end the fight right after.

>>723169885 (OP)
Someone made a full step by step 100% guide for tactician (so your friends don't call you a pussy faggot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR41rRE1baw

I want to play it so bad but $50 is a no-no.

>>723183268
this video was a joy to watch

>>723185916
It's not that it's hard. It's that I can't stop grinding because I want all the abilities.

>>723185950
emulate the switch version

tactician is kind of ass. It starts out a little challenging, gets really easy, and then Chapter 4 boss HP just shoots up the wall.

>>723185604
>>723185768
That all sounds normal, then. I was kind of hoping you'd stumbled upon a new glitch though.
The ghost humans at Poeskas and Yuguewood and Limberry Underground are considered "monsters" as far as level calculation is concerned. They even have unique classes.

1. do errands reset/are they redoable, or one-time only
2. why, even in the remake with turn orders, is it physically impossible to show when jump lands

>>723187431
1. One-time only if you succeed, but ones you fail you can try again I believe.
2. small indie company, please understand

>>723187542
ah, then it's not really a panacea to jp grinding woes then

>>723187431
>errands
they reset on failure but not completion
>jump
yeah I'm not quite sure why so many things got charge changes and QoL stuff but Jump not getting anything is baffling to say the least.

>>723187620
It is nice for getting JP in a job in which you'd rather not level up, like Bard for Move +3 or Black Mage if you're only doing it for Dark Knight (whoops guess that's not problem anymore lmao).

>>723187835
Lmaao
Trust modders.

>>723187431
No idea. I think someone mentioned that a few things go into calculating the jump charge and some of those variables can only be calculated after the decision is made but that sounds like bullshit.

>>723187835
dark k***ht doesn't even matter since by the time you get one there is nowhere left to use it

>>723169885 (OP)

you need to grind, a lot
congratulations you now know how to play it.

>>723188094
You could say the same thing about all the treasure in Deep Dungeon/Midlight's Deep.

>battle starts
>chadgraf hits 3 units for 120+ damage and silences my mages
I kneel.

>>723188094
This. While visually the dark knight is cool the rest of it is not needed. It feels like a blatant way to just print Orlandeaus and stop thinking. I've even heard people justify it as thematically in line with Ramza. What? Because he continuously rejects the darkness of the zodiac stones? Or so he can take on the role of Gaffgarion, a man he respects but ultimately kills because of his nihilism and hopelessness? Or because by the end of the story we're hoping Ramza becomes a doomslayer?

>>723188347
They should’ve added something like Palace of the Dead/San Bronsa but less but better/more challenging floors

>>723188402
People saw all these cool unique Knight classes everybody gets and get salty Ramza was stuck to (uber)Squire.

>>723188583
Too bad I'd say. He has no connection to the church to become any manner of templar or divine knight. Even Orlandeau's job is written as Holy Swordsman or Sword Saint. Ramza should remain the underdog who has to fight against divine knights and even enlist some while never being one himself.

>>723170104
Didnt care for any of this and still beat the game just fine without guides

>>723188402
I don't care about any of that nonsense. It was cool and had cool abilities was deliberately left out. Give it back!.

I played FFT countless times and not once gave a fuck about the horoscope shit.
It seems to be very important but managed to beat the game fine without ever paying attention to it.
Does the mew game signal you’re in a good or bad matchup before the action?

>>723189034
>It was cool and had cool abilities was deliberately left out
I think this is the better take imo. While I'm glad Dark Knight isn't in there so people can just shatter the game with even less thought, I think it should be added back in regardless. I just wish people stopped pretending there's some deep reason they want it back.

>>723189187
They probably didn’t want to fit Onion Knight and decided to cut both so it wouldn’t be weird if only one from WotL was missing.

>>723188402
it is actually far more fitting for ramza to be a dualfisting brawler ninja

He rejected the aristocracy and knighthood. (Delita at the very least needs to play the part of templar and then king, Ramza walked away from his family.) He shouldn't be a knight, and almost certainly shouldn't be a dark knight. He never gave into the darkness, he just fights it his own way.

Instead, he went his own way and concocted his own retarded form of martial arts by learning from vagabonds and assassins-for-hire that allows him to repeatedly blitzkreig and overwhelm small armies through sheer force of will.

He never picked up a sword again after Ch1.

>>723184664
it's really just time mage and white mage for buffs, but once you get to the lategame you can apply those buffs permanently to yourself with certain op items so the concept of a buffer kind of falls off.

Waiting for tactician to get hard, not even trying to cheese. Got a squad of knights with dual weld with two mages both having item as a secondary

>looked it up
>dark knight could use exclusive swords given out only as rewards for in pvp + co-op
huh so the post game content where a dark knight would be useful was the multiplayer missions then
shame they cut that and kept the translation

>>723184664
2bards and 2dancers with teleport or manafont+manashield

>>723189431
later chapter 3 to early chapter 4 is when things ramp up

love me generics. She also has a twin that uses a white robe and kaiser shield instead.

>>723189557
Makes sense, in the middle of chapter 3 right now.

>>723189520
1 bard 1 dancer 1 mime?

>>723171832
I'd rather just ignore a dogshit mechanic like buffs missing and zodiac signs.

>>723189795
yea but a mime feels like a ton of work for what I assume is a slightly meme run. bards and dancers are too but not as bad

>>723189962
When they regularly copy dual wield attacks/iaido they feel pretty op, whether you want to micromanage a unit for those gains is definitely personal preference.

>>723189962
Mimes are really OP and fun to use. Bard and dancer kinda poo poo

>>723190363
>>723190393
I mean to unlock

>>723189109
>Does the mew game signal you’re in a good or bad matchup before the action?
Yes. There's no need to even learn how the Zodiac system works anymore, unless you want to make a team of generics who are compatible with Ramza.

>>723190642
Ah, I felt it was very worth the effort. And if you're going to the effort to make one, you might as well make two walking bombs, and that cuts down on the grind when you're sharing jp. It's not really that much work if you coordinate your job progression with the rest of your team.

What's the meme party? I think Dancer, bard, and three mimes, dancer doing the damage dance, bard healing dance, and mimes copying every time.

>>723189431
The game is still solveable in the same ways if you know what you're doing. Chapter 4 is when enemies on Tactician start to have retarded amounts of HP. But your units are still busted by that point, just like in the OG, so it's not really a huge deal, especially given how many assassination missions there are. I feel like the challenge peaks in Chapter 3 before the good gear unlocks. Self-imposed restrictions are still the best way to make FFT really hard, which is a shame.

Never used Beowulf before so decided to use him when playing the remake. I knew he was already really good with break, but drain is insanely useful against Lucav for Tactician difficultyi.

>>723169885 (OP)
Is there any significance to when songs are reused? Like, OK, this is the Lucavi boss theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ddKvvuTFt4
This one plays during the 1st real battle in the game where you kill the Corpse Brigade fodder, and also plays when you kill Southern Sky deserters much later, I think the difference being Ramza's character between fights where he's gone from chastising the people who he fights to realizing they don't really have any other options
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO0xElcptMA
But I can't really think of anything that connects all the fights where Trisection plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tu5tLE4flc

>>723188402
I think it’s because he takes up a thankless job that leaves him forgotten by history. He chose to live in the dark to protect the light.

>>723188063
Is this AI?
May I have more?

>>723170194
this game could use a roguelike mod. every game's got one anyways

>>723193443
>units can permadie
Already is a roguelike.

I don't like the music in FFT.
Didn't like the music in FF12 or the FF14 Ivalice content.
It's just not my jam, sadly.

>>723193430
https://x.com/Elf_Anon

is elmdore a vampire and was he always a vampire

>>723192185
pretty sure the meme party is taming bombs, breeding bombs, and self destructing them

>>723194052
I think he was a normal dude until he got killed in a fight with goltanna's troops sometime in the middle of the story. Then the auracite he was carrying transformed him, and then his human form with vampire is his lucavi version's human guise from that point on.

>>723194052
Doo doo doo dooo doo
Doo doo doo dooo doo do do be healthy

>>723194052
Hey grok, when did Elmdore become a vampire?
>Elmdore became a vampire after he was mortally wounded in battle during the War of the Lions and became a host to Zalera, one of the Lucavi demons. This transformation occurred when he held the Gemini auracite, which prevented his death and led to his possession.
There's a line about how everyone thought he was dead because he got hit by an arrow during battle. I think it's in the rumors, or the encyclopedia as well.

>>723194407
>I think it's in the rumors, or the encyclopedia as well.
It's both, right after you fight Wiegraf in the library it adds this rumor to the tavern and updates his Wikipedia entry.

>>723193902
No one man should have all that power.

>>723194608
Based knower.

>>723194052
read the rumors at the tavern whenever you can, some of them hold some crucial info like Elmdore getting 360 noscoped by a archer during the war

i hate alma being voiced hayami saori

>>723193902
Neat. I swear I’ve seen some other AI tactics art too. It’s a cool art style, I’m glad for more.

>>723194828
those are just rumors though

i think he was a vampire before that

>>723193443
FFT Randomizer is actually really fun, and it leads to some pretty amusing outcomes.
My Algus became a Minotaur once.

>Shirahadori: Evade non-ranged physical attacks.
>Very clearly catches arrows and bullets
Hm?

>>723193443
has anyone tried making a tactics roguelike game? like i've always thought things like fft or disgaea or something would lend itself really well going through a dungeon starting with basic units and building them up as you go from shit you find.

>>723195303
>Gather Power
I’m forgetting which monster does that

>>723195385
It’s a bug they didn’t fix to be accurate to the OG

>>723195385
>>723195620
In fact, the description has been updated to reflect what it actually does.
>When receiving a physical attack, the unit's parry rate is the same as its bravery value.

>>723195612
Sacreds, the 3rd tier Minotaur that is broken as shit in the early game

>>723195802
>physical attack
And magical guns, too.

>>723169885 (OP)
you need to go to zeklaus desert and lvl down all of your units as a bard, and then back up as a mime and ninja.

>>723194617
I don't even upload most of it because it's ridiculous how much I make. I don't know why I like the FFT style so much.

>>723194908
There's another anon who makes it in the Dalle thread, he has these but I think most of the pics are posted in the threads
https://x.com/kyoketsu_kirari/status/1940048657535181179
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1154481

>>723195934
Fun fact you cant reflect the spells from magical guns either. I thought i could be slick and ricochet shots off my own units with reflect mail, but i guess it doesn't work that way.

>>723195303
Minotaurs have no god.

>>723185916
Buy an ad faggot

What’s better, Shirahadori or Reflexes + shields and capes?

>>723197603
Personally I prefer Shirahadori because it works regardless of gear or job, and I like freeing up the accessory slot for something that boosts PA or MA. Reflexes would be better for a unit with low Bravery though.

It's out.
https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasytacticstheivalicechronicles/mods/14

>>723197603
There's no clear winner because they both have pros and cons. Shirahadori does nothing vs magic, while magic evasion will let you evade spells. Conversely, things like jump and guns bypass all evasion but shirahadori works against them. All comes down to what you prefer to have an advantage against.

>>723198173
sovl

Damn that ending was actually fucking great. First time playing this game
>Final boss fight was fair and not a complete pushover, but Super Saiyan 3 Ramza ended up steamrolling everything
>Beowulf petrified gay demons and revived bitches
>Orlandeu just tanked shit and did decent damage
>1 mage slut applied buffs with arithmetic and was basically immortal manafont + mana barrier
>other mage slut just casted quick on slut 1 with some other heals in a pinch
>The actual story was great, everyone got what the fucking deserved (except for Orran but it was still extremely fitting for the plot), I don't think I've ever been this satisfied with a game ending, both in gameplay and story, in such a long time
>Super Saiyan Ramza can now be free to plap his sister-wife for the rest of his days
I do wish there was some kind of superboss or harder dungeon or something. I'll do the deep dungeon thing tomorrow but I seriously doubt it will be even slightly challenging with my current team.

>>723195424
Not that I'm aware but I could easily sink 1000 hours into a game like that.

>>723170751
>Like, how do I play this game without grinding all the time?
You don't. It's a SRPG, sure, but it's still a JRPG. You will always be on the back foot, potentially walled, if you don't spend SOME time grinding random battles or spamming for JP. The main story is not enough content to keep a party current.

>>723189431
i was worried about the busted HP and lowered damage but about a third of the way through Ch4 and it's not bad, a few fights had to be retried, my Ramza is lvl 37 before the Limberry segment, rest of my generics are 30 to 35
>Ramza ninja/monk
>orator/geo
>dragoon/thief
>bard/blm
>dancer/whm

my bard and dancer sit in the corner buff/debuff while ramza and the dragoon run towards the enemies, orator hangs mid distance and helps out, fun so far

>>723197603
shirahadori and aegis shield. use orator to boost bravery to 97.
no need for mantles. capes are for faggots.

>>723198173
Nice, I was waiting for it. Any other essential mod?

>>723198880
hopefully TIC gets some good mod tools

>>723195424
It seems we've skipped that phase and developers have gone straight to making tactics gacha games instead

What do I do with the monsters in my roster? How do I know which are good and which are bad?

>>723199705
>What do I do with the monsters in my roster?
depends on whether you are trying to poach for items or use them in battle

>>723199705
Min-max: Youtube
Normal: They're all shit

Hear me out. FFT but Xcom style…

>>723182665
If you're actually playing like a strategy game trying to win each stage clean and fast Ramza can very easily be low level enough that he's slower than Wiegraf and lightning stab oneshots him before you get an action.

>>723199752
dragon hydra and pig are basically the only ones worth poaching. Everything else gives stuff you can either buy in shops or that gets powercreeped by endgame items.

>>723199962
you can poach featherweave cloaks very early, has been a lifesaver on tactician where you have to play more defensive if you're not grinding like crazy

>>723197603
I prefer death to grinding out all of the samurai class, shirahadori, and maxing brave. Just recruit one of the ninjas that's in the first Malak fight and he'll naturally get enough JP for reflexes in a flash.

I'm too attached to my generics but I want to use some of the story characters this time around for the new voice acting + buffs they got. What do

>>723199917
Our Adventurer Guild is basically that. The art style is dog shit and the writing is weak, but the gameplay is fantastic.

>>723200413
looks interesting but damn is the art style ugly af

>>723200058
It takes so much more effort to grind out those shit capes when you could just get auto potion

>>723200271
I decided to just play the game with whatever i wanted (mostly my generics) and look up youtube for the full list of conversations at a later time.
You only have 5 people in a party so even if you ran ramza + 4 uniques there's no way you'd be able to hear every new voiceline in one playthrough anyway.

>>723199752
>Red Chocobo/Barette
>Plague Horror/Zwill Straightblade
>Treant/Faerie Harp
>Elder Treant/Defender
>Sekret/Holy Lance & Ivory Pole
>Great Malboro/Omnilex
>Behemoth King/Cherche & Artemis Bow
>Dark Behemoth/Stoneshooter
>Blue Dragon/Dragon Rod
>Red Dragon/Sortilege & Dragon Whisker
>Greater Hydra/Septieme & Rubber Suit
>Tiamat/Wyrmweave Silk & Whale Whisker
>Pig/Cachusha
>Swine/Nagnarock
>Wild Boar/Ribbon & Fallingstar Bag
I think that's all the equips you can't get from stores? Though some of them you can get from ultra high level Ninjas chucking shit at you, but at that point you're so high leveled that it's just bragging rights

>>723200413
Its a very good game. Id kill for some DLC content.

>>723200863
Mother fucker you only have to wait three more days, put down the knife.

>>723200667
you can steal Defender

>>723200413
this looks like adventure quest lmao

>>723180723
Story fights scale slowly. They have a minimum level, and they seem to increase by 0-2 levels per fight until they catch up to Ramza.
You can see this pretty easily by doing a grindy run and the last fights in the game will be level 70 or higher, whereas without grinding they'll only be about level 45.

>>723201451
>this argument again
Post screenshots of non-monster storyline battle enemies being wildly different levels from playthrough to playthrough, or I'm calling you a liar. We've known how level scaling works and doesn't work in FFT for a long time.

Best built for a Ramza's right hand?

>>723202003
Delita's cock

i'm finding it really annoying on tactician to have my ramza be 5-8 levels above my generics, i wish the game would give you the option to stop earning xp and make it a toggle for each toon

>>723202182
bro just level yourself down (preferably while ramza is a shitty stat class)

>>723202182
I beat the game on tactician with Ramza at lvl 50 upon landing the final blow on the final boss while my generics were 38-42 so have fun

I wish there were times where you could use more than just 5 units at once, the infamous 11 Monks fight shows that fights can support 16 units at a time combined

>>723203470
mimes would become gods

The Feminist Chronicles

I decided to go caster Ramza this time

Black/white magic

Teamed up with
Male Knight/mystic
Female Mystic/sam
Geo Agrias
Female Sam/monk

DRAW YOUR SWORD RAMZA

>>723206773
Imagine saying this and then Ramza rolls up and punches you in the dick twice in one round for 600 damage.

Agrias kakkoi...

>>723207810
I still miss the Tynar Rouge cutscene, that would've been great to see voice acted

I have to say I kinda don't give a shit about the added dialogues. I hope there is a way to add stages to the deep dungeon in the future with mods.

>>723207906
>My Dutiful Lady Knight Can't Be This Cute

>>723209217
It's not a huge deal but it is nice to see that even the devs understood how all named characters just vanish from the story once they join you

>>723209217
The dialogues excite me as an autistic lorefag, though it’s funny that Rapha and Marach seem to have the least additions, which makes me think they were the unfavorites among the devs

>>723210162
Never bothered me that much, probably because I mostly run generics. It's not as if they contribute anything towards the story now anyway. Agrias saying nothing to the final boss vs just having a bit of dialogue that goes "how dare you be evil?" makes little difference to me.
I'd much prefer they fleshed out Delita's scenes or ironed out some questionable plot points.

>>723210352
>it’s funny that Rapha and Marach seem to have the least additions
>only 1 in-battle dialogue, and it's for Hashmalum
who the fuck even uses them anyway? why could they buff Cloud in such an obvious way and not even give us a reason to use Rapha and Marach for a change?

>>723207906
I miss Agrias giving meeting with Ovelia again and giving her the dagger.

>>723210792
what if i told you rapha was actually the strongest character in this version

>>723210792
If I could’ve made just 1 change to them I would’ve had them do something like 25% splash damage if their abilities hit off-center, that way they’re at least doing some guaranteed damage especially with the right elements

>>723210882
her first spell is OP

>>723210882
you'd give me a reason to put her in my party on my next playthrough.

>>723210809
>gave her the dagger infront of delita
rookie mistake

>>723210882
I would be skeptical and ask that you explain yourself.

oh-uh, that's a lot of monks

>>723212878
well that was easy

>>723210792
They are shit characters with shit maps associated with them honestly so I don't care. Not even rafa being a kinda cute brown fixes that

Was this bitch some kind of rare spawn, or am I just overleveled so I don't have gear this good in shops yet?

>>723214181
The latter, human enemies in random battles will have equipment scale with level too, meaning once the levels get high enough you can steal stuff that’s beyond what you should be normally able to buy

At last, the Genji gear and Masamune are stolen. That's all I have. It's been over twenty years, forgive me for being happy.

>>723214280
I just recruited the chick. I find that it is the easiest way to get gear.
Turn them, recruit them, loot them, dismiss them.

man i cant wait to play this game, is pc support decent, like mouse controls well implemented ?

>>723214434
yeah, kbm works well

>>723214421
the good ol' Strip 'n' Boot.
if you want to skip a step, dismissal automatically places their equipment in your inventory.

>>723187316
Tactician should have been more in depth than just a modifier to damage done and damage taken. More complex AI. More advanced jobs on the enemy side. What they did is just cheap and lazy.

>>723214957
>spoiler
good to know
feels good being this evil

>>723214957
>not using their unspent jp on skills your units don't have and letting them crystallize

>>723169885 (OP)
level up a little, find some classes you have fun with, and then build them up. Maybe dash in some skills from other class. the game can be beaten with solo ramza.

>>723214434
the mouse controls are quite nice. you can often click directly on things to move, no having to drag a cursor via controller.

>>723216609
Does it have touch screen support?

>>723215151
I mean, considering the alternative you're actually letting them off pretty lightly.

>>723217747
Yeah, they do get to live this way, but like, imagine being convinced to, in some cases, betray your allies, lord, and country. And then the moment after you join the gang, they strip you of weapons and armor and tell you to hit the road. While it is better to be alive, what I'm doing would be seen as pretty evil in reality.

I love this game so much bros, I wish there was more of it...

>>723218567
we all do son... we all do

>>723215092
>Tactician should have been more in depth than just a modifier to damage done and damage taken
it is more than a modifier to damage done and damage taken

>>723219120
it was a lazy attempt at difficulty. playing through tactics ogre as well, seeing the enemy lob spells and flank weaker units is refreshing. no faggy "tactician" difficulty needed.

>>723219120
not very much more. the occasional boss will have a couple of extra points of speed. I played through Tactician and at first I thought maybe enemies got more HP because they seemed to have a lot in Chapter 4, but after checking on other difficulties that seems not to be true. Maybe the Lucavi bosses have more HP on Tactician? If so it wasn't really noticeable. It would be helpful if a list of these supposed changes were available somewhere.
Anyway, it's beside the point, because Anon was clearly referring to difficulty adjustments that are more than just number fudging. Tactician enemies still unfortunately lack the gear and abilities to really match up against a well set up team. My advice for Anon would be to wait for the modders to come up with some encounter scenarios that are actually designed that way. Or try a challenge run where you only use Dragoons or something.

>>723198173
ugly

>>723220630
TO has the same AI basically though? They attack the weakest unit they can reach and prioritize KOs

>>723223449
Yeah. In TO they beeline to whoever they can inflict the highest damage and is in range. But since there are more fielded units and Rampart Aura is a rather common skill, frontliners tend to fight among themselves for a while and "ignore" squishies because of how their movement range is impaired.
But as soon as the NPC AI can go around that, usually a flier/ranged like Gryphons, they dash to the backline of weaker units.
In practice this doesn't happen 100% all the time.
Been spending more time in TOR the past month than I should and nooticing how the AI behaves.

>>723225385
Also when using the AI to control your units they use strong healing items when losing just 1/5 or 1/4 HP but will suicide to a counterattack instantaneously after being revived despite having a full heal in their inventory.
Enemies do spend healing in a retarded way but they can't revive in this version, but I'm pretty sure both enemy and player AI are the absolute same, for obvious reasons.

>>723225385
>TOR
The AI never uses status effects there right?

>>723225669
AI never uses any kind of status effect spell or skill other than Ease, in my experience, even the haste spell.
Only if it's a secondary effect of a damaging ability (Cockatrice's Petro Breath) or an auto skill (Lament of the Dead). Some enemies use Orbs but these are also damaging items with debuff effects embedded.

>>723225789
So weird. I definitely remember getting petrifoged in luct.

>>723225940
I was talking about the Reborn version. All CC spells from elemental schools were removed and grouped all into Dark spells.
There are two secret enemies, one an Archer and the other a Swordmaster and the SM still has Petrifog (Earth Element) but I never saw him use it. He just lobs 800 damage stones.
The AI probably used CC too much in previous versions or they couldn't get it to work in Reborn and cut their ability to use it, just like they cut Rogues from the player.

>>723226035
I was just pointing out how it was a weird choice for Reborn. You definitely fad to content with annoying status effects like charm or bewitch in luct but it was perfectly doable.

What are other tactics games as good as FFT on PC?

Caveat: I didn't like Tactics Ogre or Triangle strategy

>>723226454
You're right.
Up until the endgame/postgame your gear choices are limited and weapon-wise you're stuck with secondary CC effects, classes do not inherit skills other than weapon proficiency and you can't overlevel content. Especially if you don't play around the dumb cards, because if you do, you'll quickly stack autoproc skills and damage.
Only way later you get access to Shamans, summons and relics. And relic farming is very tedious. Only then you overpower the game and by then there isn't much to be done anyway. It's still cool to humiliate lv71 bosses in CODA4 before it gets old.
So in a sense it can be way harder than FFT, a game you're free to mix, match and grind, but I'd wager their AI is equally dogshit, it's just that the player has less of an advantage in Tactics Ogre.

I'm just clearing out the achievements. last one to do is master all skills
thats an extra 8 hours i think

The other game that comes to mind is diablo 2, but man all the classics from the 90s and 00s had great sound design. Stuff like the holy knight skills, critical hits, projectiles, even something as simple as scrolling through the menu sounds good.
There's probably something to be said about a limited scope and simple graphics forcing you to polish what you have really well.

>>723180671
there's visual artifacts

>>723184883
>Treasure doesn't even auto loot on completion of battle.
>Why the fuck can't you mass turn on/off AI
These really surprised me after TO Reborn. No idea what the fuck they were thinking.

>>723198173
Damn that looks like shit

did you know why ramza and alma can learn ultima is because they are related to germonique, Ultima's enemy

>>723221136
>all units attack her on the first turn
>dialogue after this has one of the units asking if he's really gonna kill his sister