Thread 723170997

>NOOO I DON'T WANT MORE GAMEPLAY IN MY GAME
kill youself jeetroon

>>723171086
>NOO I NEED MORE SUBWAY SURFER STIMULATION IN MY GAMES
Kill yourself jeetzoomer.

>turn based rpg with immediate actions instead of rounds of combat
*dies of cringe*

>>723170997 (OP)
The truth is that good turn based JRPG combat is a rarity by itself and while the presence of timed inputs is a cheap trick to hide the shallow combat implementations, more often than not the issues with the underlying systems are left unsolved

>it's a cheap derivative of a JRPG
>but it's good because the characters aren't japanese
blows shiddy out of my dirty butte and directly into childish anon's mouth and a bit on the edge of his shirt's neckline

>>723170997 (OP)
I have tranime fatigue

>>723170997 (OP)
>yet another tranime thread

>>723170997 (OP)
>bocchi
you are brown.

Where's the next chapter hagamaji?

>>723171512
Yea it is. SMT VV would have nailed it if they replaced Omegasushi critical with literally anything else. Digimon time stranger used potential as their starter move, but the combat is way more shallow as a whole.

>>723170997 (OP)
DOUBLE ACK-SH
MADNESS ACK-RO
VOLCACK

>>723170997 (OP)
I put down FFX after I left a battle "paused" and came back to a game over
though it was my own fault for having not saved diligently

>>723171086
>move chess piece
>have to juggle bowling pins for ten seconds or the move gets reverted
>BRO IT'S MORE GAMEPLAY STOP COMPLAINING

>turn based game
>gear is just "number go up"

Isn't it weird that E33 shits on every single JRPG released in the past 25 years?

>>723170997 (OP)
>turn based rpg

>>723172009
should every JRPG be parryslop from now on?

>>723170997 (OP)
It was kino in The Last Remnant, but cringe in Expeditions 33.

>4 niggas in a row
>typical storyline and characters in line with the medium
>turn based
Yup, it's the only game format worth playing time

>>723172123
If they want to be good and not for toddlers? Yeah.

>>723172009
In what way? The game is literally babby's first RPG. It's a game meant for people who hate RPGs.

>>723171503
>filtered by press turn

>>723172183
>It's a game meant for people who hate RPGs.
You're confusing it with FF7 demakes.

>>723172141
doing a counter for billion damage is epic in TLR

>>723172175
>not for toddlers
>formulaic and generic babbies first wahmbulance story because her nii nii got himself killed

>>723172248
>FF7 demakes
You're confusing it with Pokemon Shit and Piss.

>>723172240
>filtered by baby mode react slop
sorry I only play chaotic random shit every turn rpgs for men

>>723172290
I primarily meant the gameplay but even writing-wise it's much more mature than what you would expect from a JRPG.

>>723172385
I get you. Final Fantasy Mystic quest is also very deep and the gameplay is tweaked for the North American audiences.

>>723172290
Except it's not it's barely less mollified thana typical pop culture western story like super hero or star wars nonsense. Fucking bravely default has a darker overall plot and events happening in the forefront and behind the scenes. Not is that the "maturity" or "darkness" of a story has been an indicator of quality.

>>723172467
Japanese still buy DQ in droves so they're still stuck in their pre-teen years mentally.

>>723172317
Both of them are shit.

>>723172565
>Both of them are shit.
You're confusing that with E33.

>kill main guy
>the new protagonist is even less likeable

>>723172509
It's amazing how often normalfags have a hissy fit if an animated medium even dares to go over the most PG nonsense.

>>723172614
No I'm clearly talking about garbage "games" like FF7 demakes and Pookemon.

>>723172543
>>723172467
And Pokemon also, the nation of manchildren.

Sorry, I grew out of the safe story telling of E33. It's a solid first C+ attempt but nothing I'll ever come back to over a xenosaga/blade or even any of the FF games. They just supersede it on all levels.

>>723172809
Nobody's impressed with cliche anime stories anymore, hence their poor sales.

>>723172809
>safe
buzzword
>nothing I'll ever come back to over a xenosaga/blade
>xenosaga/blade
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>723172385
It's really funny that you can just include baby's first moral dilemma and it tricks retards into thinking the writing is deep and mature

How did Chrono Trigger perfect rpg combat and pacing?

>>723172919
The most juvenile of characters in those games are still levels ahead of pissant characters like gustave and maelle's non issues.
Even the CW actor for Gustave was like
>I don't get why they think this character is big deal

>>723172894
>hence their poor sales
Persona 5 sold over 10 million copies thoughever

>>723172009
You got duped by a realistic reskin of Paper Mario. It even has a shonen anime story but of course this one is uniquely worthy of praise.

>>723173052
And Witcher 3 sold 60 million. So what?

>>723173052
>fatlus
their AAA games are overrated unlike expedition 33

>>723173084
^
he's right you knwo

>>723173112
Witcher 3 has even worse characters and writing
Geralt is a patheticly awkward manchild sword otaku

>>723172938
>>723173084
The quality of writing is immensely better than what you could find in a JRPG. It "might" have a simple moral dilemma but the quality of how its written is what makes it stand out amongst tons of uninspired, lame JRPGs.

>>723172009
How is it weird? Most JRPGs are faggot kiddy slop. It's like a gold-medalist olympian participating in the paralympics and bragging that he won.

>>723173114
>Atlus
>AAA
What? E33 is more AAA than Persona and I say that as someone who dislikes both of them

>>723173237
No, not really. It's also way worse acted.
>inb4 muh ben starr
>inb4 muh british theater actors
L M A O

>>723173226
I seriously doubt it completely.

>>723173323
>It's also way worse acted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpEd2yK8KzQ
Stop coping.

>>723173331
>dude muh penis joke
I started skipping dialogue in the backhalf of the game. Jesus that was embarrassing.

>>723173323
based fellow faggykidslop-enjoyer, teach that chud westerner who's boss!

>>723173114
>Atlus
>AAA

>normalfags having a juvenile meltdown
Every thread with the tourists. it's amazing they keep coming back

>>723173437
Anon your favourite JRPGs have way worse jokes with way more embarrassing deliveries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shf6j9ECPEA
You're supposed to laugh at these.

>>723173575
do these tranny freaks really like this shit...? embarrassing!

>>723173575
I do, it's hilarious. It's on (you) to get on board or get over it.

>>723173680
based cuck GOD

>>723173680
I already knew you were a manchild anon. Only a kid would find these "jokes" funny.

>>723171769
>frogposter
You are vantablack.

>>723173765
Otaku wizard site. Otaku wizard board. Better youself is the only thing I can say to you.

>>723173830
You can like Japanese media without being content with eating shit and bragging about it.

weebs = trannies

>>723173893
Tell that to the dbs and other action shounen knuckledraggers

>>723173934
In my experience moe shows are the same type of garbage as well. You're not necessarily different from one another.

>>723173032
>The most juvenile of characters in those games are still levels ahead of pissant characters like gustave and maelle's non issues.
Imagine saying this when Xenoflop exists LMAO.

god i want to have unprotected sex with bocchi

>>723170997 (OP)
ITS INTERACTIVE

>taking video game stories seriously
The best rpgs ‐to play- tend to have silly stories and dont care to try at being a bad anime or movie.
Im glad games like Wizardry and SaGa still understand this

>4 niggas in a row
>generic story
>lets have 9 characters that don't all level up equally
I can now understand why turn based games have garnered such a shitty reputation

>>723174154
People are tired of those, the more you make it, the more money you'll lose, or stay stagnant forever.

>bud looks at a game where the enemy takes five years to wind up an attack with their large weapon and thinks
>yeah this is better than swinging it faster than the speed of light and shooting laser beams out fo my ass
We all know and agree fromsoft has beena net detriment to the industry

>>723174154
>The best rpgs ‐to play-
Have good gameplay and lots of options to roleplay, which both are non-existent in JRPGs.

>>723174330
>t. has never played an jrpg
E33 is not a JRPG, is way worse.

>>723174330
I see you don't know why they're called RPGs.

>>723174437
It's a JRPG-inspired game that does what JRPGs should've done significantly better.

>>723174551
Hmmm, nyoo

>>723174217
How can the be tired of something they never touched? Are you really going to tell me the total number of people who played any Wizardry is anywhere close to the one of people who played Superstar Saga?

>>723174583
Yeeeeees.
>>723174518
Do explain to us what RPGs are.

>>723174267
this truth is something most arent ready yet
didnt start with Elden Ring but we'll see more action games where enemies delay their swings to a silly degree for sure

>>723174551
it's it's a jrpg inspired inspired game because it just apes legend of dragoon. making it not jrpg.

>>723174635
Wizardry is basically a no-name franchise outside Japan for decades at this point. It died with 8 and Japs have been trying to keep it alive with fucking gacha, it's disgraceful.

>>723174760
Anon are you having a stroke?

>>723174662
A game where you roll dice and build your character up.

>>723175032
There's more to it.

>>723175074
No, there really isn't. Rpgs weren't narrative driven games at the beginning. That era is more what JRPGs derive their influence from.

>>723175180
>at the beginning.
At the 80s you might be right. JRPGs are just oversimplified RPGs specifically made for children, they're also seemingly stuck in the 80s as well since they still haven't fucking grown out of their primitive methods. It's embarrassing that Ultima: Underworld is more of an RPG than the vast majority of JRPGs we have today.

>>723170997 (OP)
it worked for atelier resleriana way better than e33.

>>723173424
Animeshit writing ruined this game.

>>723175328
Ultima: Underworld is also more of an RPG than the vast majority of WRPGs we have today.

>>723175678
Yes, but we have far more WRPGs that are RPGs than JRPGs.

>>723175328
>western trends change over time
>japan doesn't adopt these trends
>therefore they are not rpgs
such a fucking bizarre argument I literally only see to disqualify JRPGs.

>>723175659
Yeah they needed to be sexing and fucking and swearing and making manchild “tough guy” dialogue

>>723175818
The weak computational power of the 80s prevented Western devs to truly create a proper RPG, but they already achieved it in the early 90s, Nips still struggle with creating a proper game that could be called an RPG even today.

>>723175895
pretty sure no game needs over an hour of animeshit grunts you stupid nigger

>>723175937
If computers were more powerful in the 80s, video game RPGs wouldn't be radically different because that's just what RPGs were.

>>723175986
What is filler noise? What is Japanese cultural norms in Japanese media? that’s a uniquely (you) problem to learn to

>>723174061
We know Kita

>>723176245
Lmao the OG game did not have any of that and it was significantly better.

>>723176238
No, RPGs evolved because and ended up having way more possibilities to recreate a true RPG experience in a video game form, meanwhile Japs are still stuck in the 80s trying to figure out why games like BG3 are successful while their traditional JRPGs become more irrelevant each passing year. They need to evolve.

>>723175986
I don’t boot up a Batman flick and wonder why Bruce Wayne is still crying and whining about his fuck off parents. Weird thing to not expect

>>723176238
Anon they always wanted to add more freedom and choices for the player, but they couldn't fit that shit in a disk.

>>723170997 (OP)
>turn based rpg where your party's moves are on a timer but if you're not fast enough at choosing an attack the enemy will attack you when their timer is up

>>723170997 (OP)
>Its a turn based rpg.
>Game is just rock papers scissors.

Fucking Pokemon, how the fuck hasnt it evolved past this stupid gameplay?

>>723176469
Have you played the original? If not then shut the fuck up retard.

>>723176620
I did. But thinking that there is going to be voiced characters in the modern games, especially when sakurai et all have been the characters for decades now is weird.

>>723176418
>true RPG experience
based on...?

i've never played any jrpgs before but i think the writing in e33 is much better than other games in the genre

>>723176885
Create your own character, choose shit and suffer the consequences of your actions, player freedom, branching storylines etc.

>>723176950
dont worry you're completely correct

>Dude I LOVE role playing!
>I'm totally not just bashing numbers and quickloading until I get the outcome I want. I am in fact a town mayor, and also a goblin shaman pimp priest cD
>ooh, what dialogue option should I pick to get the better stat stick?

>>723176551
Because it's for babies.

>>723176514
Who is "they"? Clearly not everyone. So we should be defining based on what changes get added rather than what was established already? That doesn't seem reliable.

>>723178524
>"they"?
Developers.

>Oblivion added horses
>therefore if a game doesn't have horses it can't be an RPG

>Early RPGs were limited by technology, budget, and development constraints, which included hardware limitations (especially memory), the need for complex rule systems to simulate tabletop games, and the difficulty of creating large, detailed worlds with early graphical and processing power. As technology advanced, so did RPG complexity, leading to a period of intense "graphics wars" where constant technological upgrades made older games seem obsolete, but also enabled richer, more detailed RPG experiences.

>Technological and hardware limitations

>Memory:
>Early games, especially "roguelikes," were developed for systems with very limited memory, forcing developers to use procedural generation to create vast, randomized worlds without storing everything in memory at once.

>Processing power:
>Limited processing power meant fewer characters on screen, less complex AI, and simpler graphics. Games were often text-based or used very basic graphical projections.

>Graphical evolution:
>Developers constantly had to balance the desire for more realistic graphics with the available hardware. Early games lacked the detailed environments and character models of modern titles.

>>723178841

>Design and development challenges
>Translating tabletop games:
>The genre was heavily influenced by tabletop RPGs like Dungeons & Dragons. Developers had to translate complex rules, character statistics, and a wide range of abilities into a digital format, which often resulted in clunky or complicated interfaces.

>Budget and development cycles:
>The costs and time required for development increased as hardware evolved, forcing developers to make compromises and prioritize certain features over others.

>Focus on core mechanics:
>Because of the limitations, early RPGs had to focus on core mechanics like combat, exploration, and character progression, leading to a less varied experience compared to modern games.

>>723176418
Pokémon has more choices and consequences than your average WRPG. It’s just that the choices come from the game mechanics, not branching dialogue paths.

thank you chatgpt

>>723179136
>Pokémon has more choices and consequences than your average WRPG.

>do I pick the cutscene A dialogue or cutscene B dialogue?
>OOO I'M ROLE PLAYING
>that faction leader who only exists for this quest could die depending on my choices :0

Jarpigger damage control: the thread

When did you realize JRPGs were bad?

Westerners do not understand video RPGs anymore. A westerners definition of RPG is just a collection of buzzwords that could include literally any video game.
>dialogue options with "consequences"
>"open endedness" and "freedom"
>immersion
The actual definition of a RPG is that the character(s) that the player controls have their own skills that is simulated by the RPG system. You can have story stuff on top of that but it is secondary and not essential. It would have to be unless RPGs just devolve into play pretend in a sandbox.

>>723179914
>t. still stuck in the 80s

>>723179887
Jarpigs are bad because
>You almost always play with predetermined characters with predetermined stats and backgrounds, this negatively affects the "role-playing" aspect of said "games".
>Most of them remove almost all player agency, resulting in less immersion.
>Jarpiggers don't like branching stories where you can choose which actions you should take or not, which opinions you should disagree with or not etc.
>Jarpigs are incredibly linear and straightforward, which means that these games have far less replayability value than an average RPG with multiple ways of solving problems and endings.
>Jarpigs are incredibly simple, so simple that even a toddler can pick it up and complete them. I mean, this shouldn't be a surprise as DQ is just an oversimplified version of Wizardry and Ultima.
>Jarpigs are incredibly formulaic, the vast majority of them have very samey themes, character archetypes, enemies and plot. They even have samey animu styles too.

All in all, I see no value in J"RPG" "games" where "role-playing" is next to non-existent.

>>723179989
The "limitations" of computer RPGs are inherent with the fact that you have to program every possible interaction the characters could make. This is impossible especially with dialogue.

>>723181242
You can just make it as many as you can with the limited budget and devtime.

>>723180109
>predetermined characters with predetermined stats and backgrounds, this negatively affects the "role-playing"
Fuck off retard.

>>723181349
Yes it does, cope about it.

Do you know why Diablo is called an "action role playing game"? It has nothing to do with narrative choices. It's for a different reason.

>>723181445
You don't understand what "role-playing" is in the context of video games. Your idea of roleplaying is playing dressup with dolls.
>>723181565
Don't bother.

>>723179887
I didn't because I don't fall for normalfag demoralization campaigns. No anon puts attention like that on their lessers.

>>723181672
Says the guy who pretends his self-insert anime movie simulators are real rpgs.

>>723174330
Do you know what role playing is in the context of a game? The player guiding the character and the players decisions filtered through the characters stats. Those stats are challenged by by opposing stats of what the player wants the character to do.

>>723182220
So like nu-GoW?

>>723181829
JRPGs are unambgiously RPGs, along with the western games they are based on like Wizardry. WRPGs are also RPGs, but a lot are borderline. It's mostly because a lot of modern WRPGs are real-time and borrow from other genres. Fallout 3 is an RPG but also an FPS. When you miss a shot, it's you missing and not the character that is missing. It's not like how if your character has poor stats in 1 or 2 they are more likely to miss a shot.

>>723182707
>JRPGs are unambgiously RPGs
Just because they call themselves one doesn't mean that they are one.

>>723182954
>JRPGs aren't RPGs because the aesthetics are icky
Anime website btw

>>723171713
probably a bad idea to use an anime website then

>>723183085
Not an argument.

What do you think e33 devs think about their fanbase?

>>723171967
>comparing 4 niggas in a row to chess

>linear adventure games with level ups are RPGs
Well this is quite reductionist.

>>723176551
>>723178127
?
post elo

>>723170997 (OP)
shes just like me fr

I just want a turn based RPG where our turns play out simultaneously.
Call it a round based RPG, since you're not taking turns, but combat plays out in rounds.

>>723171503
>>723170997 (OP)
This is why I can’t play any Atelier games. The combat feels horrible

>>723170997 (OP)
>Bocchi the mating press impregnation while tge band watches
Leave. Except if you are Kikuri, then you watch too.

>>723182380
You're mentally impaired if you think that.

shadow hearts
legend of dragoon
mario rpg

funny how a lot of "expert" gamers dont know about these

>>723171512
>good turn based JRPG combat
lol
name 1

>>723170997 (OP)
Why did you post this image? Are you implying that you look like Bocchi, or are otherwise just like Bocchi?

>>723188251
Dragon Quest

>>723188251
enchant farm

>>723189324
How do you get the DEEP position based combat you keep shilling? I just have 2 front/mid characters and 2 mid/back characters and swap back and forth