Thread 723180987

>65 million units sold annually back in 2021
>likely to hit 75 million for 2025
>half are laptops
Don't most people build their own gaming pcs?

>>723180987 (OP)
normal people aren't going to bother, come on now it's an obvious answer OP

>>723180987 (OP)
Most people that have been alive are now dead

>>723180987 (OP)
I damaged my parts the 2 times I tried building my own PC in my life. Wouldn't recommend it

>>723181337
holy shit. never thought of it that way

>>723181346
>I damaged my parts the 2 times I tried building my own PC in my life. Wouldn't recommend it
This post brought to you by a GPT bot trying to scare you into buying a 200% markup shitty prebuilt

>>723181346
I've had 1 PSU and 1 mobo be broken straight out of the box and it was a real fucking blast trying to troubleshoot it

I built my own XBOX

>>723181449
>go to store
>this doesn't work
>ok here's another one
so fucking blast

>>723180987 (OP)
People are stupid
Case in point >>723181346

>>723180987 (OP)
I brought a used hp prebuilt for like 900 and slapped a gpu and some ram in it
its so much better than the one I hand built myself with a case from fractal
some of the higher end prebuilts with bespoke water-cooling and cord management is awesome and /v/ is too poor and retarded to accept this

>>723181527
yeah it's the
>this doesn't work
part that was an issue because I'm a construction worker and not a tech nerd so nailing the right component wasnt obvious

>>723180987 (OP)
the average person is lazy, stupid, and hates learning new stuff

At one point prebuilts were better than buying the parts yourself due to crypto bullshit, no idea if that's still the case

>>723180987 (OP)
>Don't most people build their own gaming pcs?
You live in a low IQ echochamber if you believe that

>>723180987 (OP)
Pc gaymen is now a mainstream normie hobby thanks to twitch etc. and since most normies are technologically inept, they will just go for the ready solution

>>723181582
If you're not a professional, there's a big chance you'll damage something. Specially socket pins which are very fragile

>2021 article
DID it hit 73 million by 2025? Not sure the source here.

That said, prebuilts have gotten more popular over the past couple of years especially during hardware shortages.A LOT of vendors were doing
>No, you can't find a GPU for anything close to MSRP even after tariff bullshit again, but we'll give you one closer to it included in our PC.
This also went along with a bunch of new
>glass chinktank
cases which were cheaper could be sold way for more money than the previous plastic and steel bullshit because they looked nicer. There's other stuff involved too, such as the kids who are into Fortnite or whatever the fuck getting a prefab PC as their present because they want to game better; same with streaming stuff .

What seems to be the issue is there isn't the oldfag pipeline of
>Interested in gaming, especially PC gaming, requires some degree of interest in tech and PC hardware. I can get a more powerful, overclocked, configured PC building it myself for less.
anymore in the same way kids who don't know how to use a goddamn file browser are gamers/streamers these days; that used to NOT be an option. There used to be some smaller differences (even a decade ago my overclock was literally 1Ghz, that's 1000mhz all core turbo over what it was 'supposed' to run at, without any fear of overheating ) but I think the prefab PCs are thriving more than one would think for a variety of reasons.

>switch 2 sells 2 million consoles
>tendies søy out like mad
>pc sells 75 million
>silence

>>723181991
Or maybe you can not act like a caveman and exercise some caution

>>723181956
I wish some of those normies would, in between ruining the hobby for those of us here before through throwing money at gacha, item malls, and other garbage...at least push for some of the same stuff we want. Putting an end to console exclusivity (timed or otherwise) for instance, getting Vanillaware and any other holdouts to bring their stuff to PC officially etc. I'd almost put up with some of the rest if they could keep it to their gacha cave if it meant that the rest of us could have buy to play, subscription-without-item-mall-battle-pass games again, and universal day 1 releases for everything.

>>723180987 (OP)
Prebuilt PCs are generally cheaper if you haven't upgraded in a long time. It's also very easy to buy a prebuilt and just reformat the entire thing to ensure no bloatware. Any true PC user has extra install disks lying around somewhere.

>>723181449
>>723181991
>GPT bot is implying it's stupider than an 11 year old African boy
The genius of A.I. everyone

I bought a pre-built with a 4090 for about 3000USD because at the time it would have cost more to buy the same parts individually and build it myself.
And despite its reputation, manufacturer software isn't all bad. Having a single place to manage your drivers is nice. I have some custom control over the RGB. There are some unique tweaks you can make under the hood without any additional software or technical knowledge.
Obviously not for everyone but it worked out for me.

>>723182227
this isn't true unless you catch some kind of firesale which is very hard since people have automated bots snapping those deals up. if you're just straight up buying a prebuit for msrp it's going to be more expensive no matter what you're starting from.

>>723182301
having factory installed water cooling is so bitching
people sleep on liquid so fucking hard but its SOGOOD
it makes the machine so quiet but not apple quiet..

My PC is pre-built because my dad built it for me when I was a kid :D

>>723180987 (OP)
Low iq people
Simple as

>>723181346
You're extremely low iq then
>>723181991
You're low iq, I've never built a pc in my life and I've spent 2600 euro on the parts and I didn't mess up anything
So stfu bitch

>>723182456
>bots
A few years back I used to contribute to one of the Fairgame forks, an open source bots to let people have a chance at getting stuff before all the fags online paying hundreds of dollars per month for subscriptions to hopefully get thousands per month in flipping shit to scalp. Its a pity that they're almost all outdated now and all the proprietary shit is in discord faggotry sneakerdrop/tech bot garbage.

>>723180987 (OP)
I think many prebuilts are bought with upgrading in mind.
I bought a prebuilt with a 4060ti a couple years ago on Black Friday for $800, with upgrading in mind but I haven't seen a need to do that yet.

>>723180987 (OP)
There is a local store where they get the cheapest imported parts and I can ask them to build the PC without any extra charges.

>>723180987 (OP)
Unfortunate if true because pre-builts have a crazy high mark up.

>>723181346
Shame if true and you're not trolling but I've built several PCs and never had an issue. How did you manage to damage something?

It's possible to get parts with an issue out of the box but then you just return them for a refund, and even if you caused the damage you can probably still get it refunded if you're smart about it.

>>723182747
Why are Europeans so foul mouthed on here? Is it because you're Atheists/leftoids?

>>723182301
Getting a prebuilt for less than the cost of the parts is a legitimately good reason to get one, but it also almost never happens.

Gaming is still growing the problem is tha

>>723183247
A-Anon? Are you okay?

I bought my first prebuilt last year because after the rebate and incentives it was like 1270 when just the cpu+gpu alone would cost 1000. Replaced the shitty ram for 115 and called it a day.

>>723184039
See, if prebuilts are being bought for reasons like these than that makes sense. What's disappointing is when someone gets conned paying a 200% markup or such because they think building a computer is anything harder than screwing in screws and plugging in plugs.

>>723183379
big gaming got to him

Here's your prebuilt bro

>>723182747
>euro
Low iq and raped by muslims

>>723181442
>200%
they're not that marked up, anon
It's closer to 20-30%, not 200%

>>723180987 (OP)
For a few years, thanks to crypto miners, prebuilts were cheaper.

>>723180987 (OP)
A pre-built costs nearly what it would cost to build my own.

>>723185583
That's actually cheaper than buying the parts separately

>>723182973
>pre-builts have a crazy high mark up
See >>723185583

>>723181762
Sometimes is, the new thing is bundleing the GPU everyone wants with a PSU/Mobo/cpu that isn't selling other wise where as a package it is cheaper but still more than the base GPU price.

>>723185002
>I realized one more thing
>video ends

>>723181346
The only time I damaged PC parts was when I got too cheap and ordered a really chinky cheap case that shorted the mobo. Granted, this was over a decade ago, and chinkshit was genuinely chinkSHIT.

China

>>723180987 (OP)
>tables are just a flat wooden plane with four cylindrical legs, why isn't everyone building their own tables and saving $20?

>>723180987 (OP)
>more 3rd worlders raised on streamers with RGB lightshow rigs
>they got some budget version of it
>or they rent it
Desktop rentals are a thing and they advertise to poor retards

>>723185931
Yeah, because other people get first dibs on stock before the general consumer does.

>>723185583
would have been a good system if it switch the i7 for an i5 and put an 5060ti 16gb in it. Would cost the same.

>>723180987 (OP)
I built my PC some ten years ago (and still haven't updated anything in it) and to be completely honest getting all the pieces made me stupidly anxious. I was constantly worried that I had the wrong parts, that things wouldn't work, so on.
And now it seems my MB's socket type isn't really used much any more...

>>723180987 (OP)
How the fuck does it make sense to lump in gaming laptops with prebuilt PC towers? No one builds their own laptop retard

>>723185931
You don't know what they're cheaping out on. They could easily be using some garbage mobo or ssd.

>>723186371
what do you think ikea is?

>>723186371
Putting together PC parts is infinitely easier than making a table from scratch though

I don't trust myself to not break my parts.

>>723188267
Same. If the parts weren't so expensive, I wouldn't mind messing around. I like building stuff, but I get it wrong a lot before I get it right.

>>723180987 (OP)
I wanted an RTX3070 during the pandemic, and buying the card alone would have been less cost effective than the prebuilt it came with. I bet good money if you want a full PC and a specific graphics card that is probably why.

>>723182243
What about it did he invent?

>>723181346
>Wouldn't recommend it
Please, PLEASE do not listen to this absolute retard.

>>723185931
>>723186010
The case/fans/RAM/MB/PSU etc...are garbage to hit that price point. Nothing is free GPT shill bot.

>>723188267
>>723188374
That's reasonable, especially since slotting some components in can take a surprising amount of force.

But it's screw in PSU and Motherboard to the case, slot components into the Motherboard, then plug in all the plugs. If you're buying prebuilt just check the cost of the individual components together if you built it yourself and then you'll be able to judge if the pre-built tax is worth it for you or not.

Also check out videos like >>723185002 , if you can break something so can whoever is building it for you.

>>723180987 (OP)
Many people just want to plug it in and play. They don't know that every possible thing inside of it has been cut down and they overpayed for all of it. They especially don't care that pc optimization is bad because they don't even know what any of the settings mean and developers just enable DLSS+Framefps in the presets now.

I built my own comps for 20 years and got sick of it, so I went with a prebuilt for the first time last year. The fucking thing broke like a month in because the cheap chink power supply was faulty, and also for some reason the RAM had some black goop on it. Since replacing the power supply, its worked great, but the company wouldn't give me a partial refund of any kind, and instead sent me another worthless chink power supply that I ended up giving away.

If I had cash to burn I would. It's always long enough between builds for me that just enough has changed since last time that it's a pain in the arse figuring out something or other. Last time it was trying to tell what the fuck sort of cable I needed for the GPU and how the weird screwless M2 bracket on my motherboard worked. Then I had to spend ages trying to figure out what was causing crashes which means jumping through the hoops of RAM tests and benchmarks to eventually figure out it was a faulty GPU that I had to RMA.

I'll always take the hit and save some cash to spend more on the machine instead, but still, it's not something I ever look forward to. I miss the computer shop I used to go to. They used to charge £50 to do the full build if you dropped the parts off. I never did out of stubborn teenage pride but my brother always got his done there, and if they were still around I would too.

>>723186371
you do build your own table. you assemble the parts from ikea according to directions. if you are talking about custom wood working it's a different story. custom fabbing isn't the default metal when you build a pc.

>>723180987 (OP)
plebs invaded pc gaming
it's also why most games suck because devs are making them for literal retards

>>723181346
retard

>>723180987 (OP)
Gaming/hobbiests make up a fraction of computer sales. Every employee in the white collar sector needs their own computer, and unless you're doing very specific work that needs things like a $9k RTX 6000, it is faster, easier, cheaper, and more efficient in every way to just get Greg from accounting a laptop or prebuilt.

>>723180987 (OP)
zoomers grew up with smartphones, they are tech illiterate

>>723190514
Yeah, anecdotal, but the ~20 managers at my place all got these SKYTECH gaming computers for their offices because they think it looks fancy and cool. The memory sticks they use are crappy and I had to replace a few of them with good brands and they also never come with more than a 1650/1660, but I guess nothing more powerful is needed when they're just looking at excel sheets all day. I wouldn't count these 20 computer sales as "pc gaming on the rise" though.

>>723182973
It's always been true, and since the pre-built PC market came into existence, it's never not been true.
The only difference now from say, thirty years ago, is that pretty much everything comes in a prebuilt, so the user never has to install a GFX or sound card themselves either. Pretty much anything else you might want, you can buy an external USB device for.

>>723188505

A high tech computer. Duh.

>>723183104
Local stores in my shithole wanted you to buy all the parts that a PC would need just to get a 50 series and it wasn't even at MSRP.

>>723180987 (OP)
Requires research on
>market prices
>performance metrics of CPUs/GPUs/ram/storage
>model enumeration of CPUs/GPUs
>connectivity, compatibility, form factors
>airflow
>voltage, power, transient power spikes
>interior dimensions and layout
>wire management, organization
This is all trivial for a person with 100 IQ, but there is still a lot of knowledge overhead to begin that most people aren't willing to learn for.

>>723189335

>follow rule of thumb is that if you have to use actual force, you're probably doing it wrong when it comes to electronics
>fit in all my parts without an issue
>setting up USB connections to my case and it won't go in no matter what
>double check the labels, manuals, it's absolutely the place where it needs to go, not understanding why isn't it going in properly
>the cable doesn't have any issue
>it turned out it geniunely required elbow grease and actually just shoving in there to work

i felt really retarded after that

>>723195923
Ahah! It's not just me then! Seating the RAM in my most recent build scared the shit out of me because I had to push much harder than I expected and I was terrified I would break something. Doubly so for the GPU!

I guess everything is made to such tight tolerances to make sure everything is firmly in place and won't jostle the connectors loose, but it certainly doesn't feel right when putting it together. Fortunately everything worked for me and nothing broke so I guess everything is just built to handled the force needed now.

>>723182243
he is a professional powerlifter now. whats your excuse, /v/?

>>723183247
We need to Unironically ban smart phones

>>723186670
Why swap the 7 for a 5?

>>723180987 (OP)
It's a lot easier only having 1 warranty to care about. You're paying a $200 fee to not have to dick around with a bunch of different parts if you need to RMA, it's basically buying insurance.

>>723180987 (OP)
Zoomers and Alphoomers have grown up playing on consoles, but at the same time watching their favorite streamers game on PC for years playing $5-$10 PC exclusive friendslop and other fotm indies having way more fun playing those than they do playing the $70 AAA dogshit they have to wait 6 months at a time for. Not to mention mods releasing for those AAA games on PC making them better anyways.

They're essentially experiencing jealousy of fun mindbreak, they're missing out on the good times PC players are having month after month and want in on it finally. And that's a good thing.

>>723182301
>bought a prebuilt during the peak of the kung fu flu because I wanted to play vidya at rates beyond a silky smooth 13 FPS
>been through so much bullshit that it's a surprise it hasn't fucked up yet
Out of all the stupid and half baked shit that I've bought in my miserable life this wasn't one of them. Just a shame it took this long to actually get one. It could probably do with some more storage since the average sloppa wants 120GBs + tip just to get past the starting menu these days.

>>723183247
Its being outpaced by inflation

>>723180987 (OP)
>Don't most people build their own gaming pcs?
no nigga thats a /g/faggot thing.
aint nobody who just wants to play games gonna part out a PC and play legos with it.
that would be fukin gay my ghuy

>>723180987 (OP)
Even a modest laptop can play thousands upon thousands of PC games. You just might not be able to play the latest unoptimized trash or something that's more beefy like crysis

>>723180987 (OP)
Because I'm lazy

>>723188985
>The case/fans/RAM/MB/PSU etc...are garbage to hit that price point
Why don't you spin up a prebuilt gaming PC startup if you have such competitive knowledge instead of, posting on a basket weaving forum.

I hate building a pc, you have to shove things into very tight spaces and I get nervous abouts putting too much pressure on the motherboard

>>723185583
>intel
>5060
god what a piece of shit

>>723187462
>>723187819
>>723190063
Stop moving goalposts.

>>723180987 (OP)
normalfags aren't building pcs, it's the same reason there will never be a year of linux, normalfags will only use an OS that comes preinstalled on their machine.

>>723180987 (OP)
>Don't most people build their own gaming pcs?
lol not even close. a super majority buy pre-built

are people retarded? you literally just get the pieces and plug them into each other

>>723200165
yes

>>723200130
>a super majority buy pre-built
lol not even close. a super majority buy laptops

>>723181346
go work in a pc store for a year
congrats you are decent at building pc now, not some armchair pc technician on leddit that pretends to know what hes talking about

>>723180987 (OP)
Most people buy prebuilts which explains nvidia's marketshare and all the garbage tier 60 series gpus around

>>723200261
the topic is gaming PCs, retard. we're not talking about laptops

>>723200383
lol in poorer countries 60 tier cards is the best they could afford
those population boosted the numbers too in steam charts

>>723181346
You have to use a guide. When I was like ten I fried a Gpu trying to put it in an old 2000s era pentium. So fuck that, PC parts are gay as fuck and they make them purposefully confusing and don’t work on certain motherboards. So unless you have a ton of money I wouldn’t recommend building your own
You can pay like 500 more to get something that won’t explode for no reason
It’s ironic if I had more money I would for sure build my own with the Faggoty 5090 or whatever that comes out month after month so these virgins can spend their daddy’s money and still have pencilnecks and small cocks and balls
>t retard

>>723180987 (OP)
>Don't most people build their own gaming pcs?
The internet has permanently skewed your opinions on what's supposed to be "normal". Regular people have predominantly bought pre-builts since the 80s, despite whatever the youtube thots tell you otherwise.

>>723200409
If it is about gaming PCs then why are you talking about what the majority of prople buy?

>>723182301
>Gaylienware
My condolences. You might need to double check the thermal paste and coolant levels down the line.

>>723181346
I had a motherboard come broken, never actually broken anything myself, but I still find it exceptionally stressful because I'm always convinced I'll fuck it up and then won't be able to get the money back.
It's funny - if I had the extra money I'd just buy a prebuilt, but if I weren't poor then I wouldn't be so worried about breaking parts, so I'd probably enjoy building PCs.

>>723200165
>>723200247
The verge video showed hou that it's not that sime retards

>>723200613
how fucking stupid are you. we're talking about the specific segment that is the gaming PC market. of that market, the super majority of people with gaming PCs buy them pre-built

that's the fucking thread topic you dipshit

i bought a prebuilt a few years ago for my nephew, i regret it, they basically just took an office computer and put a gaming GPU and some led lights into it. it still had the stock ram, fans, and powersupply in it. imagine trying to run a gaming pc with a 240w power supply. i ended up gutting the thing and replacing most of the stock parts except the motherboard, it was more work than just building a pc from scratch because of how cramped the old office tower case was. never again.

>>723200731
If you are talking about the gaming maket then you also need to talk about the gaming laptop market.

>>723200891
no I don't. I'm talking about what is in the op image. personal computers. not notebooks

what you need to do is stop being a fucking retard

>>723180987 (OP)
>Gotta look into compability stuff for motherboard
>And how much power you need for everything
>Cables
>Correct processor and GPU that don't bottleneck each other
>Cooling systems(that varies a lot depending on above specs)
>Operating system
>And correct sized case, which you gotta basically choose last because if you don't you might notice that oops, the gpu you changed happens to be 4cm too tall and now you can't close the case anymore
Then gotta build the whole thing. Like even if you are careful with RAM sticks etc. you gotta read instructions multiple times.
And if it doesn't work, now you are stuck wondering if it's PSU, connections, you broke something, or something was broken already.

Many people rather pay extra. It is same as building your own car from spare parts. Yeah, cheaper. But man people rather buy already working one unless they really enjoy tuning cars.

>>723180987 (OP)
At their release, it can be difficult to impossible to obtain new nvidia graphics cards, if you just want the gpu, but it's trivial to get one in a prebuilt.

>>723200948
A laptop can be a computer and personal too

>>723200165
>>723200247
See
>>723194972
>>723200962

>>723200962
>absolutely retarded post made by someone who is very clearly low iq
>broken english
every single time. i miss the old internet

>>723200796
So you bought a prebuilt without even checking the specs...?
Bro...

Don’t buy a prebuilt, if you ever want to upgrade anything (GPU, RAM, PSU, CPU) it becomes much more of a pain in the ass, you may have to take apart or replace so many parts you might as well just build a new PC anyways

>>723180987 (OP)
Consoles lost.
PC won.
Get over it.

>>723181337
But those things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born

>>723201407
was he talking about taking a shit

>>723201281
i'm never buying a prebuilt again, but i learned a valuable lesson to not buy anything where they avoid listing any specs other than the cpu/gpu. it was dirt cheap, around $400, but it probably ended up costing more after buying the right parts in the end.

>>723201294
I dont know about now, but that was my experience almost 10-15 years ago.

>be a total war nerd
>new one comes out
>runs like shit on my potato computer
>I know, I'll upgrade the ram and video card!
>open case
>shitty motherboard and shitty power supply.

I built a new one. If I am replacing the video card, motherboard, power supply, and ram, might as well start from scratch

>>723180987 (OP)
I bet this is just normies buying PCs to do work on and the recent increase is probably people throwing away their old PCs to buy new ones because windows 11 didn't work on their hardware

>>723180987 (OP)
No one gives a shit nigga. you can customize all your parts now for prebuilt anyways. why the fuck would I waste hours learning how to do it when I could just pay $50 extra and have some guy who has built thousands of them make it for me

>>723180987 (OP)
To my knowledge you can't build a laptop from parts.

>>723201670
My work moved on to workstation shit even in office. Everything is remote and they let their servers handle it all.

OP's images claims it is gaming pcs

>>723180987 (OP)
Oh gee idk.

>Bro it's so easy to build a PC

But you forgot about
>Ram timings
>What cpu clock speed, cache, now x3d series or normal 9800X
>What GPU, 8+4 pin or 12 pin, 3 fan or 2
>Vram? How much, 12? 16, 24?
>If vram so important why is amd GPU so bad despite more vram? Oh so vram doesn't matter?
>Motherboard only supports one m.2 drive at 5 lanes. And it goes down to 3 if you use a GPU?
>Oh this mobo overheats CPUs
>Cpu cooler? Fan?
>AIO is for overclocking what no?
>Bro you need Watts not enough and now we are using 1000w for PC builds now.
>So better to buy a 1250w now to future proof? Or just get a 800w ?
>Gold plat silver what the fuck?

>Hard drives, bro Seagate is bad, WD is bad, get SSD, but SSD has to be tlc not qlc, no get m.2 SSD nvme


And that
Is why
Prebuilts
are good.

Ain't nobody got time to waste on the shit I just asked when we all just want to do one thing.

Game..

>>723185931
>Implying they are using a gold and not bronze PSU
>Implying that they are using 6000 and not 4800 ram
>Implying that they are using something other than the stock fan
>Implying that it using a gen4 ssd instead of gen3 (though your ssd choice is fucking trash as well)
>Implying that they are using a motherboard with wifi
Lmao

>>723180987 (OP)
Only a poorfag would build it themselves as you are basically spending 5+ hours of your free time to save $50 (equivalent to working below minimum wage).

PC building autism should not be part and parcel with PC gaming.

>>723181710
It's this.

When I look at the specs on prebuilts and gaming laptops I'm fucking appalled that. It's literally shit I built 10 years ago and have upgraded from for around the same price.

>>723202191
Is it like 2010? Prebuilts don't do any of this amateur hour shit and haven't in almost a decade. Most prebuilts are also put together better than you could do yourself.

>>723202020
If you’re not retarded and took the time to look into and understand everything then it’s simple as shit. Thing is though is that normies are stupid and/or too lazy and just pay the retard tax instead
>we all just want to do one thing. Game
Then gaming pc’s aren’t for you, buy a console like the rest of the normalfags. Don’t try to force everything to conform to your stupidity

>>723180987 (OP)
>Don't most people build their own gaming pcs?
No that's pretty niche, most normies are tech illiterate and buy a prebuilt

>>723201272
Anon. I have built more than enough PCs as it was literally my job.
But I have also seen people struggle with building their own rigs after beng told how easy and cheap it is. I used the case example for a reason.
Not everyone is tech savy. Majority of us cannot, have knowledge, or time to make or fix the technology we use every day. If your microwave/refrigerator/oven broke next morning, would you fix it yourself? Or let someone do it or buy new one?
Would you buy a bicycle or build your own? Do you make your own clothes or make your own? My mom knits woolen clothing every winter.
Just look up a tutorial and read instructors for all above. Maybe buy few tools etc.

I think many people who insists always building your own rig tends to forget that not every person is that interested in computers even if they use them daily. See cars/bikes. It's just a tool.
Some farmer could call (You) idiot for not knowing how to even do basic crop rotation or how to handle animals.

Also yeah I'm ESL thirdie, it's not some kind of grand observation lol
I do avoid posting on /v/ because of my ESL-levels, even when collabs like the /v/ musical seems fun. Sucks to be born in a wrong country.

>>723185583
>>723185931
>no mention of ram speed means it's like 4800 mhz
>just a 1tb ssd mentioned, if it was anything good it would mention the name so it's some cheap slow shit
>80+ gold PSU when the prebuilt is probably using some $30 dollar no name PSU
>yeyian, some literal who "brand", probably chinks

>>723196338
The force is there to get a good connection because the quality of the connection can affect for example the speed at which you can run your ram at

>>723202454
>if your microwave
i actually want to bring this up. i'd say 90% of the time, the problem with a microwave "breaking" is that the mica sheet got dirty. it's only a few dollars to buy a few sheets, then you can just trace your old one onto a new sheet and cut it out to replace it.

>>723180987 (OP)
definitely not. and its not much extra to put the responsibility on someone else.

>>723201272
>too intelligent to check chipset compat
So you just shove any CPU you see on the street onto your motherboard? Just like you do with dicks on your ass?

>>723201831
I'm sure offices are buying low end "gaming" PCs for people to use excel on

>>723202020
pc's are just like cars. they will take advantage of your ignorance and charge you more and use low quality parts. doubly so if you're a woman (women dont know anything)

>>723202285
Prebuilts do that shit on the cheaper ones because throwing their usual $200 extra on a $1000 PC will make it sell less so they cheap out on enough parts to drop the hardware price down by $200. Then on the high end they double or triple their build fee because it won't matter as much and use mostly good parts

>>723202426
You said that it was as simple as placing legos so why shoud people take their time learn all that shit? Do you realize that you are skipping over the learning process to claim that it's simple? Are you a nigger?
>building a nuclear reator is easy you just have to take the time and understand everything

>>723181762
The difference is razor thin now

>>723203410
No one is taking advantage you commie faggot. People voluntarily give money to buy prebuilts.

>>723180987 (OP)
>Shop online
>Pick the parts I want
>Pay an extra $100 to have them put it together before they ship it to me
Why would I not do that? $100 is nothing compared to the cost of that PC so I might as well get some wagie to put it together with better cable management than I'll do

>>723204036
lol

>>723204161
lol what?

>>723180987 (OP)
I travel a lot and don't feel like having to take a desktop apart and reassemble it every so often. A laptop is way easier for my lifestyle

>>723180987 (OP)
I pick the parts and pay the fee to have it be put together and shipped to me. Its just worth it to let someone else deal with troubleshooting and making sure it boots up while having the insurance that if it gets fucked in transit they will build me a new one. Getting dead parts out of the box when everything is new is a pain and its happened to me for every computer I've ever built.

>>723201670
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/over-1-million-pcs-sold-every-day
offices
its 350 million if you include every pc.

>>723204242
its not a secret that pre-builts use cheap parts cause you dont know the difference.

>>723198214
>Not to mention mods releasing for those AAA games on PC making them better anyways.
I remember xbox players getting their minds blown by bethesda adding mod support for fallout 4 for the console versions of it.

>>723204072
Because the post office is going to kick your PC around and you have a high probability of receiving it broken

>>723204379
The OP numbers likely include gaming PCs bought by offices

>>723204440
>its not a secret that pre-builts use cheap parts
Then why are you baffled about it?

>>723205416
Then you return it as damaged and get them to do it again

>>723206781
By the time you get it back in working condition you could have built it yourself and not paid them

>>723206869
Your premise is predicated on it being a fact that it will be broken at the post office once, which in my experience has never been the case.
By your logic any one of the parts you order could be broken or faulty, and then there's the possibility that you yourself break something while building it. Seems like a lot more time was wasted that way than just paying the wagie a pittance

There are pros and cons to both, as long as you're making an informed decision. Unfortunately it seems like many people buying pre-built aren't based on all the videos like >>723185002 I've seen. If you're buying pre-built at least research who you're buying from so you don't get scammed.

>>723181527
>retard who can't parse simple english
>gives advice
>thinks he's smarter than you
amazing

Normoids despite all of the resources they can get on the intrawebs don't want to assemble their own PC and view it as a bridge too far only reserved for turbonerds.

They don't care if they pay more or get slightly less performance than someone who minmaxed their budget or someone who absorbed all of Linus and Steve's knowledge.

>>723183104
It happens way more than you think, particularly when you factor in predatory PC suppliers like Newegg and scalpers driving up prices.

>>723180987 (OP)
Not everyone is capable of doing it themselves or have the time to so pre-builts are a good middle ground.

>>723180987 (OP)
zoomers who don't remember a time before smartphones are tech illiterate

>>723200962
>no sauce
Did I just get fooled by sloppa oh fuck

>>723207324
>spend 10000 hours nerding out on PC components so you can save 1 hour worth of your job's pay
maybe if that shit is your hobby, like people obsessed with cars. otherwise, unless you're a kid who has no money, it's a waste of time

I'm thinking of building a pc in the not-so-distant future. All I have is my laptop currently. Would buying used components be a worthwhile way to save money, or would I save myself trouble by just going new?

>>723180987 (OP)
Same reason they spend $2800 on weight loss injections rather than saving money by eating a little bit less
Normies are drooling retards. Every single one of them.

>>723201521
There's definitely a lesson to be learned here, but it's not the one you chose.

>>723211195
Nope. Just get new ones. The warranty itself is worth the price difference and since everything remained so expensive after the cough you're unlikely to get real good deals anyway.

>>723180987 (OP)
Everyone thinks about building a PC then they realize they don't know a CPU from a stick of RAM, so they buy the prebuilt along with the protection plan

>>723181346
I built my first PC before I was even 18, maybe try not being a complete drooling retard?

>>723199828
With what money?

>>723201521
>where they avoid listing any specs other than the cpu/gpu
That's every prebuilt in existence. They will tell you that it has a motherboard/ram/ssd, but they won't tell you what sort it is other than capacity and frequency. So you end up having some piece of dogshit ram with awful timings, kingston ssd that will die in a couple of months and a Chinese PSU that is liable to set your PC ablaze.

>>723215183
I built my first PC (an i5-2500 system) back in 2011 and the only resources I had were blurry newegg tutorials. Some grognard on some gaming forum walked me through how to make sure my parts were all compatible. There was no Pcpartpicker or wiki or any of that shit and even then it was STILL easier than doing it on some piece of shit pentium 4 with a south bridge or north bridge or whatever the fuck.

>no built in drivers Ethernet on the w7 disc, fucking NEEDED the mobo driver disc or you were SOL
>old school bios that unless you had experience with was nowhere near approachable
>SSDs expensive as fuck so nobody had them
>even a moderately modern cooler master case still needed manual installation of standoffs, had sharp ass cheapo sheet metal all over the place, garbage cable management
>what the fuck is a modular PSU???

fuck I don't miss it one bit. Now it's so, so much easier. Just go watch one of the ten million youtube channels, post somewhere for a cookie cutter build, and go to town.

>>723216020
maybe stop shopping in pajeet town

>>723211195
Budget? Monitor resolution? Target framerates? The only thing I'd consider buying used is a case, but buying one new isn't expensive + nobody really sells their old case. A GPU is safe to buy used nowadays but only do so when you're getting a really good deal or someone trusted is selling. CPU is okay too, I guess. Never buy RAM, a mobo, a PSU, or storage used.

>>723180987 (OP)
Building pcs is like using linux, a hipster meme. Most use pre-built or laptops

>>723180987 (OP)
I like building my own PC so I know it will be easy to swap parts. Some pre-builts use weird power supplies or non standard cases that make upgrading parts annoying. If you buy pre-built though you might not even bother upgrading parts and treat it like a console.

I am friends with younger people (20s) who are like that, most of them simply don't have the knowledge to build a computer or the confidence to learn. I've even had to help them pick out options on pre-builts because they just did not know enough about computers to know. As dumb as I think it is to game on a PC without knowing that stuff, I'm glad he at least thought to reach out instead of just picking the most expensive stuff or something.

>>723181346
My last PC broke down and wouldn't run no matter which parts I swapped out. I couldn't afford to build a new one from scratch and I needed one for school so I got an off-lease Thinkpad for cheap, and basically never got back to serious gaming since. Parts are now crazy expensive even if you want a less powerful rig, so my next computer is going to be a mid-range laptop again probably.

>>723218617
You really shouldn't be on this website if you think like this. Nobody agrees with you, and you'll never fit in here.

>>723180987 (OP)
no you moron. most people spend most of the time consuming shit on smartphones. PCs are going the way of the dinosaur because of how inconvenient they are

>>723219325
Seethe, shill

>>723181346
I've never broken a single part while building my PCs but I always have to move RAM sticks around for 3 hours until I cut my finger for the mandatory blood sacrfice in order for the PC to boot.

>>723180987 (OP)
Pc building is a PITA
Most people don't want to and don't enjoy having to learn about components and choose between 200+ available choices of CPU, motherboard, ram, SSD, PSU and case available.

>>723181346
how do you guy do it. i was building my own pc since i was kid

>>723181527
>go to store
>this doesn't work
>"OI FACK OFF MATE YOU DOMAGE IT YOUSELF"

>>723224035
>being british
That's honestly kind of your fault

>>723221629
>since i was kid
How did YOU do it?

the only part i get nervous is thermal paste but then everything always works out fine. this new build i did with an amd processor is shaped weird as fuck, i thought for sure i'd fuck it up

>>723181346
retard

>>723207162
>There are pros and cons to both
fuck off

>>723183104
I mean that was the only time I thought it was reasonable for anyone to buy a prebuilt. I don't know if there was a semiconductor shortage or it was because of crypto but there was a period of time around 2017 or something where nobody could get a GPU that wasn't stuffed into a prebuilt because of contracts

>>723216020
You live in a fucking shithole lmaoo

>>723181346
The only time I broke something was as a teenager when I nigger rigged together a custom water cooling loop and didn't test it properly. Leaked all over my sound card I'm old q.q and shorted it out.

>>723202020
But building a PC and being elitist about it is one of the few things 4contrarians faggots have in their lives, anon. Praise them, so they can be happy, please.

>>723180987 (OP)
>don't most people build their own cars
Fucking retard

Went to my local PC shop to get a prebuilt. Price wasnt too bad. Guy put it together, delivered it and he gave me the boxes for the parts he used so I could know what was in there and in case I needed to return a defunct part. PC has been going on close to two years no problem and wire management better than anything I would have done.

>>723181346
you watched the verge build video for help, didn't you?

>>723181762
Other way around. It used to be that you could build a PC capable of running just about anything at 60+ FPS and no individual part cost more than $200-300 yet the prebuild would cost you $1500-2k.

These days any decent video card alone is going to run $500-1k with the top end cards costing several thousand due to artificial supply shortages but a good prebuild that will last you years is still only $1500-2k and the only thing it's going to struggle with is third world shithole outsourced AAA garbage which isn't even worth playing anymore.

>>723180987 (OP)
waste 10 hours building a pc or buy one that has been tested out of the box

gee I wonder

>>723181346
this, I've built my pc just fine, but had to clean the pc and repaste the cpu one day (You need to do this every six months/every year by the way, otherwise you risk frying your cpu), when I tried removing the cpu cooler it ended up yoinking the cpu along with it, the result? bent pins on my relatively new ryzen 5700x
never touched a pc ever since, I got a laptop and every now and then I send it to a guy who has a shop nearby, he cleans and repastes it for me

>>723229759
>every six months
Anon are you constantly running your CPU at 100% usage and 90c or something? Do you play nothing but shitty, poorly optimized AAA garbage?

>>723229919
not really, I mostly emulate stuff it's just something a friend of mine who got me into pc gaming warned me to do, something about termal paste naturally solidifying and losing its efficiency

>>723230060
Your friend is retarded. Don't just blindly trust shit like this, keep track of your hardware temperatures yourself. It's pretty easy to tell when it's time to replace the paste. On my last PC the CPU temperature didn't start to rise until after five years.

>>723180987 (OP)
They're popular because everyone involved likes to make it sound harder than it really is.
People selling premades exaggerate because they want to justify high costs and everyone exaggerates to feel special about achieving it.

I walked someone through putting their PC together, from boxes to closed and installing windows took a little over an hour. And this moron doesn't play with mods because they find ZIPs too complicated.

Took me hours every time I built my PC. I select the parts myself but I'd rather spend a little money and they install everything + the OS so I don't waste any time again

I've been building my own rigs since 2003. This was the first time I went with a pre-built, and it was mostly due to being ~20% cheaper than buying the parts myself.

>>723198475
>inflation

Ah yes, Inflation

>>723181527
I've built my own PC but troubleshooting poblems is definitely not for normies. Ah yes let me set up my loadlines correctly based on the difference between VID and core voltage at peak to ensure it works like it's supposed to, oh and btw this lane is shared which I'll know by reading this little notice for ants on page 45. And this is just basic stuff, a normie is going to be fucked if they encounter a real problem.

>>723230608
That doesn't seem possible unless its all refurb parts or they're going out of business and need to just liquidate inventory ASAP. There is no such thing as a free lunch especially when it comes to the hellscape that is modern commercial computing.

>>723180987 (OP)
over 80 percent of people have an IQ under 110. That is why op.

>>723180987 (OP)
There's really no point, mid-range prebuilt is affordable and runs anything besides latest raytrace AAAslop

>>723185002
SAAR THE PRE BUILT IS VERY GOOD VERY GOOD DEAL NOTHING WRONG WITH PLEASE BUY FOR $2000

>>723180987 (OP)
The GPU market being fucked beyond belief has greatly shrunk the margin between pre built and self assembled.