Thread 723200481

What the fuck is their problem?

>>723200481 (OP)
They don't want Nintendo to take away their authority over mainline Pokemon games.
If they outsourced their game to better studios Nintendo and Pokemon Company will make every excuse to further push them out of the position of making the Mainline games. Nintendo even fucking knows Game Freak is holding the franchise back.

>>723200481 (OP)
>What the fuck is their problem?
Game Freak itself is the problem, if they invite someone else they are going to find out that they are fucking useless and lazy as fuck

Since when did Nintendo care about quality when sales shows it doesn't matter

>>723200694
>Nintendo even fucking knows Game Freak is holding the franchise back.
that is wild. we'd never have found out if this hack didn't happen.
fucking nintendo themselves are growing tired of game freak's incompetence. amazing

>>723200481 (OP)
Private company, the ownership would rather be mediocre and in control than get bought out and flushed.

>>723200871
It doesn't matter until it does; someone at ninten noticed and was trying to preemptively prevent that from happening.

>>723200481 (OP)
If literally anyone else had 1 crack at making a pokemon game, the scale of Gamefreak's incompetence would be laid bare.

>>723200481 (OP)
ran by slant eyed jews

Pride. You have a company that succeeded so hard since the Gameboy that they think they don't have to try to win. While every other Japanese company was being hit hard in the HD Era's early days they coasted along on the DS.

>>723200975
And then there's the old staffs that have no pride in their works, and just want to get paid every month, and will absolutely refuse to hire any new artist because they are worried of getting replaced.

They make slop for pigs. And the pigs love the slop.

>>723200871
Nintendo very much cares about game quality and polish, note the quiet putting out to pasture of Everybody 1-2-Switch because it sucked and they knew it but they'd already printed off a huge number of cartridges for it.

>>723200481 (OP)
The development of the games is the only power they have over the franchise and they won't give that up for anything in the world.

>>723200871
Reminder that Nintendo had to apologize in behalf of GameFreak for the initial terrible performance of Scarlet/Violet.

>>723201290
Honestly I wanna know if other Teams as Nintendo view game freak with the same derision as us.

Does GameFreak have ANYTHING to do with the anime of Pokemon or only the game?

>>723200481 (OP)
I fucking knew GF were arrogant enough to bever ask for help even when they fucking need it.

>>723201485
>Does GameFreak have ANYTHING to do with the anime of Pokemon or only the game?
They make decisions about it but they don't produce it themselves.
> Directed by Saori Den and produced by OLM

>>723201561
Do they need it tho? The games are going to sell no matter what.

>>723201589
Wow those guys truly have nothing worth keeping them for then. I wonder what’s stopping Nintendo from kicking Game Freak and putting another team to develop Pokemon, have another chef on the kitchen.

>>723201245
Now that I think about it, it's amazing Pokemon avoided going 3D for as long as it did. If only they had crashed and burned like so many others during the PS1 / PS2 days.

You'd think they'd make the leap to smartphones so they'd have an excuse to stay 2D, but I guess they have some sort of legal obligation to stay on Nintendo platforms.

>>723200481 (OP)
They literally want all that pokemoney for their small tightnit nepo devteam. Not much more needed to say.

>>723201485
GF is sole developer of mainline games and some designs are done by GF rather than Creatures, but no, anime, mango and merch in general is handled by Pokemon company.

Ishihara is the king of Pokémon and has no love for modern Nintendo

>>723201668
>Wow those guys truly have nothing worth keeping them for then. I wonder what’s stopping Nintendo from kicking Game Freak and putting another team to develop Pokemon, have another chef on the kitchen.
Iron Clad contracts if I had to guess, whoever was signing shit with Nintendo back in the day had a really really good lawyer.

>>723200871
Every mainline Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, DK, Mario Kart, Splatoon, etc game are all incredibly high quality and polished.
Pokemon is the one series they have that does not hit the quality bar and it is weird considering it is their highest grossing one.

>>723200481 (OP)
>Biggest franchise in the world
>Nooo we don't want to outsource anything we want to be small indie company foreva! Nintendo is stealing my IP!
Pokemon was a mistake

>>723200871
If you haven't noticed, Mainline Pokemon games are THE blemish on Nintendo's game quality image. Any graphical/glitch complain outside of those games really are just nitpicks.

nintendo are beyond retarded for not just buying pokemon outright when they had the chance

>>723201131
This happened already during the Gamecube era.

>>723202009
>buying an IP that's worth over 100 billion
who the fuck has that money

>telling big brother no
UH BASED?

>>723200481 (OP)
>GameFreak
>Lazy, incompetent, and arrogant
>And most of all, greedy
lmao

>>723202009
They never had that chance, people really overblow the influence Nintendo has over it.
>>723201790

>>723200481 (OP)
Are they training talent?

A lot of you need to stop sucking off GF and get a gf to suck you off

>>723201858
>Steal ideas from xenoblade for their legends slop cooldowns arts
>Still don't want help from nintendo
weird fucks

>>723200871
quality does matter. you have to look at adoption rate not flat sales because the potential customer base is constantly growing. adoption rate is dropping which means lost sales. you have to look at the fine details because you can't release the same product twice, where one sucks and the other doesn't.

>>723202009
They never did. The guys that formed Game Freak, Creatures, and TPC expressly did so to prevent Nintendo being able to buy them out. They could see Pokemon was gonna get big, but just didn't know how big exactly, and wanted to make sure they were still around to rake in that sweet merch cash.

>>723202053
it wasn't worth that much in 1998 when nintendo and gamefreak did the retarded pokemon company split because neither wanted to manage a single IP
>>723202150
they completely had the chance before they founded TPC

>>723202189
You offering?

>>723202053
Pokemon company is a joint between Creatures, Nintendo and Gamefreak.

It got created to handle pokemon IP since it got ridiculous big fast, not to mention few couple of incidents like Porygon and TCG shit. Nintendo could had absorbed GF back then easy.

Can you imagine how awful a Square assisted Pokemon would be?

>>723202053
>when they had the chance

>>723202250
It'd be fine, plenty of people like Super Mario RPG.

>>723201668
>I wonder what’s stopping Nintendo from kicking Game Freak and putting another team to develop Pokemon, have another chef on the kitchen.
Probably the fact that Nintendo doesn't own Pokemon or Gamefreak so they can't make these executive decisions.

>>723202227
>not to mention few couple of incidents like Porygon and TCG shit
qrd

>>723202295
Bro that game is 30 years old

>>723202227
>Nintendo could had absorbed GF back then easy.
The Game Freak guys didn't want that and held out against it. Nintendo would have needed to overleverage themselves to do so, and there was no seeing the future knowing Pokemon would last. A lot of people predicted it would fade out and be forgotten as a brief fad.

>>723202208
Yeah they had the chance the same way McDonald's "has the chance" to buy Burger King, except BK would never sell itself to McDonald's. Retarded zoomer get a clue on how the world works.

>>723200481 (OP)
They know that even if Square and Bamco put the most minimal effort (they won't because they'd want the IP), Nintendo would immediately notice how fucking terrible GF is and how much money they waste to sell shit that barely runs.

>>723200871
>>723201290
>>723201362
>>723201858
gamefreak is the israel of nintendo hahaha

>>723200871
Nintendo games actually play out the box outside of Pokemon-- which they had to apologize for. They're aware that GF is fucking retarded.

>>723202009
You can't buy something that isn't for sale anon

>>723202250
yeah there's no talent in Square Enix anymore
The only thing going for them is their composers and music is probably the only thing in pokemon that isn't mediocre or bad

>>723202268
back when nintendo didn't have any money? they weren't the powerhouse they were back then

>>723202340
>Not knowing about porygon incident

Come on. As for tgc, usual fare, they did event and it had limited amount of booster, cue angry mob, that was pretty early on.

>>723200481 (OP)
even nintendo knows game freak can't do it

>>723202009
Nintendo did the right thing back in the day that is give them the right amount of freedom. But nobody expected these lucky retards still don't want help for a billionaire franchise.

>>723202374
It's more like the way Kroc had the chance to buyout the McDonald brothers and he did and he became incredibly rich from that.

>>723200871
>he thinks Nintendo is in control of pokemon

>>723202340
nta, but one episode with Porygon caused many children in japan to get epileptic seizures, you can watch the scene here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4wSFjR9TMQ
The only problem with the TCG I know of is them getting sued for the Kadabra card and not being allowed to use it anymore.

>>723200481 (OP)
Everyone knows Game Freak makes shit games since every game they make is mediocre at best. They were developing Little Town Hero and Sword/Shield at the same time and they had their A-team on Little Town Hero. Hell even that trailer they put out for the Microsoft thing ran like shit

>>723202582
If they felt the need to establish an entire middle-man company for a single IP, that is surely a sign it's much more valuable to just completely own.

realistically is there any way in our lifetime we see either game freak making a good pokemon game again or nintendo getting sole ownership of the ip and doing whatever innovation on the series like they have with their other series? this shit is dire, man

>>723201131
This has happened already, multiple times
Most of them are still shit

>>723202742
What is a "good" pokemon game? Because I would rather have what we have now than unreal engine sloppa

>>723202742
The founders die and the replacements sell the rights to nintendo or something elese. So no.

>>723201131
Genius Sonority did
they mogged gamefreak so hard they got sent to the mobile game mines

>>723202623
Except in Pokemon's situation Kroc was Ishihara, who was not on the side of Nintendo, Nintendo wish they had the chance, they never did.

>>723202731
You can't just forcefully own something. Not even with money. You'll find out when you finish middle school.

>>723202829
They are already making unreal engine sloppa. they are making literally unreal engine rollslop

>>723202875
with money and yakuza, a giant japanese company can do anything

>>723202829
I have terrible news for you, pal.

>>723202852
GS got fucked by GF, they had plans for a console main pokemon game and got denied.

>>723202829
Gamefreak currently have their A-Team on unreal souls like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-qZiMPsNz0

>>723202852
that sad comparison between Genius Sonority N64 animations and game freak switch animations..

>>723202742
No, I genuinely think gamefreak is upset that pokemon is their only successful franchise and hate how they have to keep working on it to make ends meet. I don't think anything will change until they get another hit ip, but they're so ass at making games that'll never happen

>>723200481 (OP)
I'm looking forward to seeing beast of reincarnation crash and burn.
Maybe they will reuse some higher quality trees in the next pokémon game from it

>>723203018
N64 games were done by Hal, assets got reused all the way up to Wii to cut development time.

>>723203052
i'm fully convinced this is the case

>>723202250
Much better? Maybe a bit more woke at worst.

>>723200694
why don't they just buy out their share of the IP completely?

>>723203018
The main developer of Pokémon Stadium was Nintendo EAD

I dont understand how Gamefreak has no talent. Even fucking Falcom and Gust are improving at a faster rate than then somehow I just dont get it.

>>723203052
>I hate having to work on pokemon!
>Want help? so you can make other games? or hire more people?
>No! Fuck off Nintendo! I liked working with sega more by the way!

>>723202742
I thought Legends Arceus was a step in the right direction. Rough on the edges, but a bold new experiment that could pave the way for something good. With how bad ZA shit the bed, there is truly no more hope.

>>723203187
because to buy something it has to be on sale

>>723202250
>ff and smt schizojeets in every thread whining about the game being more turn based than shitbirth
would be glorious, idk what you're talking about

>>723203150
>Much better?
Haven't played SE games in a decade, huh. Lucky you.

>>723200481 (OP)
>make dog weeweepoopoo
>pokesloptards eat up literal dogshit for $79.99
i cant fault gamefreaks logic, the game could be made from a fever dreaming AI and they'd still pay for & defend it

>>723203242
meds

>>723201485
They own a 3rd of the IP.

>>723202443
>Let Ubisoft make a Mario game
>Horrible bug on the cart that resets your money when you reset your skills
By the time I figured out where my money was going I reached a point where it would have been too much grind for further progression.
Also the Alarmo had basic features locked behind a day 1 update so I was a little worried about switch 2 games, but it's all been fine so far.

>>723202379
even if bandai made a C list pokemon based rpg it would still be better than what we got.

>>723203238
A jaded mind is a very retarded mind, also when did they work with sega?

>>723203241
>With how bad ZA shit the bed
QRD? Good thing i wait for reviews because i don't want to make a mistake in buying a mediocre game just because i liked Arceus.

>>723203187
Most likely because Pokemon isn't for sale.

>>723200481 (OP)
Pride, basically.

>>723203238
incompetent but too prideful to accept help.

>>723200481 (OP)
kek, they know you faggots will buy it anyway

>>723202145
I don't understand why Japan is so against Indian.

>>723203248
I play XIV I'm well aware how bad things can get, it doesn't even come close to how Bad pokémon is

>another "le Gamefreak are so incompetent" thread

If they suck so much, why is Pokemon the most successful franchise in video game history? Nintendo would have died years ago without Pokemon bailing their asses out when the N64 and Gamecube failed.

>>723202742
Nothing will change until they lose money.
I can see nintendo taking it over just like what bandai did to tsuburaya, but not while it's still making money.

GameFreak knows that they landed the mother of all jackpots because not only is Pokemon like the biggest IP ever but the fans will literally eat up ANYTHING. Raising standards is literally against their best interest because when you're already number 1 why work harder?

>>723200481 (OP)
There's too much money on the table for Nintendo to really put their foot down. This will always be Nintendo's biggest mistake, not outright buying game freak.

>>723203521
all these faggots insisting pokemon sucks now all dropped everything to play the new game the moment it was dumped
Just full of shit

>>723203521
Because pic related is real

>>723203521
Them having a worldwide hit idea 30 years ago doesnt really translate to making good games in modern times.

>>723203521
If pokémon is so high quality why did they feel the need to torpedo their reputation with lawsuits against pocketpair for showing them up.

>>723203584
Pokemon wasn't for sale.

>>723203468
>I play XIV
Don't ever talk to me again, programmer socks.

>>723203521
The idea is good but the execution is awful. You said it yourself, it's the most successful videogame franchise, people want to see it do well and therefore get mad that gamefreak can't accomplish that

>>723203664
this nigga plays children's monster collecting games and looks down his nose at teenager's MMORPGs

>>723203521
Game freak is a company version of Notch. Lazy hacks that got ultra mega lucky with a game.

>>723203521
>why is Pokemon the most successful franchise in video game history?
most of GF's money actually comes from merch. The video games are a shitty afterthought now. They are successful on name alone like most of the japanese games these days.

>>723203639
They sued pocketpair for patent infringement because pocket pair knowingly stole from gamefreak.

I hate gamefreak so much it's insane
God ill never get the game I dreamed of as a kid ever

>>723203738
Got that right, tranny.

Raising standards = alienating plebs (grease-brained Americans and women)

>>723203187
>why don't they just buy out their share of quite literally the most profitable media IP in history?

>>723203187
Wow, I'm sure Nintendo never thought to try that.

>>723200871
Pokemon has never had a game that has sold better than the original Red and Blue roughly 30 years. This is even at a time when almost every Nintendo series has its best sales ever on the new console. Mario Kart, Zelda, Smash and Animal Crossing have all sold better than Red and Blue, and Mario Odyssey sold about what the Switch mainline Pokemon games did. Nintendo gets 100% of the profits of those games (other than Smash for the payment to the developer). Nintendo only sees a third of the profits from Pokemon. Its clear Pokemon is being held back by the quality and Nintendo probably isn't happy this franchise they only get a third from isn't keeping pace with their other games.

If you count the Gamepass players, Palworld had more players than Red/Blue ever had. Quality is obviously a problem and Sw/Sd and S/V were propped up by the Switch.

>>723203521
It wasn't until they had to start making 3D games that they had their competency crisis. They had two decades of building a fanbase with 2D games that had very few noticeable bugs. But another thing is that all pokemon games are literally turn based. As long as they don't ruin the turn based combat the consumers will keep coming.

>>723203521
Because of women. Fucking cunts love mediocre shit like Pokemon/Animal Crossing and hate actual quality games. They ruin everything.

>>723203303
you're a fucking retard

>>723203629
there are people whose only game they play is pokemon that unironically think like this. they buy it because they have no interest in anything else unless it's pokemon related. it's so bizarre

>>723203860
anon I bet if you pulled up pokemon fan demographics it would be >80% men

God this is so fucking stupid. Imagine having no fucking pride in your work to put out fucking dogshit but also be so fucking prideful you refuse to let anyone be better than you.

You make shitty product after shity product trying to branch out away from Pokemon and fail. Pokemon is all you are and you can't even do that right. Two fucking outdated gamecube games have more passion and soul than your decades of work.

>>723203794
>child's insult
you'd better shut that sweet mouth of yours before i kiss it

>>723203814
>As long as they don't ruin the turn based combat the consumers will keep coming
If this is true this is going to be a very interesting few years for pokemon

>>723203775
>nintendo went from suing them over the capture ball mechanic to now trying to patent mounts

they made the classic mistake of being too greedy with demands

>>723203664
WoW is way more transed than XIV

>>723201720
Didn't we have Pokemon Gale of Darkness that showed you can make good 3D games (for the standards of the time). Gamefreak are just frauds but they're unironically justified because they know the audience buys this slop. I've seen so many times where they get clowned on with shit like those tree graphics only for the latest entry to make record profits because of the name alone

>>723203787
>I hate people because they didn't make the video game in my head
this is the most /v/ opinion I've read all month.

>>723204026
It's really weird. WoW itself is more fucked than 14 but the fanbase is the exact opposite situation

>>723203803
they're nintendo. they have infinite money

>>723200481 (OP)
Everyone aside from NDS sufferers thought this was the case but it's nice to have confirmation. I think the only way Gamefreak lets go is if the other two owners of TPC put their foot down. The problem is that Creatures and Gamefreak are fine with doing the bare minimum and not rocking the boat.

>>723203775
Yeah sure, and the pavlova was made in new Zealand.

>>723204003
Not really since they won the lawsuit.

>>723202379
The fact that Nintendo even suggested this makes it clear that they know Pokemon's quality is ass

>>723204074
I wish the kyoani bomber hit gf

>>723204103
Thanks to Pokemon.

>>723204138
Why would you ever "do more" than the "bare minimum" when doing what you're currently doing gets you the highest profiting media IP in human history

>>723204095
>mobile game
predictable, get around to the mainline games at some point too champ

>>723204095
>Pokemon go

>>723203546
because they've been tanking the IP and will eventually incur nintendo's money-obessed wrath when it gets too bad

>>723202742
Its possible. If Pokemon doesn't bring in the money it did on Switch which it wont since $70 games always sell worse, usually only 50% of the original. See ToTK, MHW, Doom That Dark Ages ect I could see Nintendo and Creature trying to do a hostile takeover and forcing Gamefreak out. Nintendo could also buy Creature which would give them the 2/3rds they need to oust Gamefreak or at least force them to up the quality. Its hard to say either way but given what OP posted, it's clear Nintendo is indeed worried about the quality. It will probably be speed up if they lose the Palword lawsuit.

>>723202250
Do you really believe it would be any worse than what Game Freak's output is?

>>723203959
Retards like you always mistake control for pride. They want to maintain CONTROL.
For example DEI isn't about pride, it's about control. The word PRIDE has completely been downloaded into the masses minds to obfuscate your own lack of control.

>>723203546
And when a competitor appears, patent every game mechanic and force said competitor to gut their game

>>723204267
>says increasingly nervous man for the umpteenth time

>>723204086
That fanbase was built up through old wow to be fair. Those players are slowly quitting ad leaving only the nuwow fans. Give it a few years and I can see wow having a tranny base like XIV

>>723203959
He thinks they care about passion and soul when >>723203629
Isn't a meme, it's truth.

>>723204304
>For example DEI isn't about pride, it's about control.
I don't think people that moan about DEI know what it is.

>>723204142
>won
They haven't won shit, retard. The patent change shenanigans only being a couple months old, and the case has still been ongoing.

>>723204304
Shut up, /pol/

>>723204340
That's not a man though >>723204267 is a
dead horse

>>723204232
>>723204235
>women eating up the lowest of the low shit from the franchise
>"i-it doesn't c-count"

Go and finger your flabby cunts.

>>723201290
>Nintendo very much cares about game quality and polish
AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA

>>723204453
brilliantly thought-out and well-written rebuttal

>>723204453
so post some examples of nintendo games with low game quality and polish

>>723204259
Nintendo's reputation has been going down faster than Pokemon's lmao. Even if Nintendo is catching the negativity for Pokémon.

>>723204219
so buy gamefreak.

>>723200481 (OP)
>even Nintendo doesn't trust fucking gamefreak
hahaha holy shit

>>723204368
That's the point

>>723203397
your average Japanese suit.

>>723204453
Anon... The thread is literally about this... This is hacked stuff. It's not even people shilling for Nintendo.

>>723204340
I don't play Pokemon anymore so I don't care what they do with it. Any Nintendo is going to lose the lawsuit. See Tear Ring Saga.

Even if they don't, its not like there aren't a ton of other companies making similar games. Mihoyo has their own monster collecting game coming and there is no way they can sue a Chinese game to stop it. Either way, this is going to come to a head sooner than later. I wouldn't be surprised if the "suggestion" was just the first step

>>723204427
>doesn't post it
lol

You faggots are stupid. Other companies would kill to have this arrangement with Gamefreak. Nintendo internally can barely put out a game in a few years and Gamefreak shits out guaranteed 15+ million sellers once a year. Do you not understand how many holidays Nintendo would miss if there wasn't a new Pokémon filling the slot? Nintendo took 8 years each to make Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza and that's their only games for the year. How many more years until they can put out a new Animal Crossing or Zelda?

>>723204536
That's like telling Microsoft to go buy Nintendo.

>>723200481 (OP)
I definitely want an apology. I've been saying it's Game Freak not letting anyone else help for years now and everyone told me I was an idiot.

>>723204267
Ishihara wont allow Nintendo to gain more than they have, and creatures and gamefreak follow his rule.
You won't see any change until he retires.

>>723204640
All you are saying is that GF should accept help and they still didn't.

>>723204640
>Other companies would kill to have this arrangement with Gamefreak

Any other company would just own the golden goose, not a fraction of it. Activision bought both King Games (Candy Crush) and Blizzard, and we all know WoW was a money printer for a long time.

If Gamefreak decided to move the Pokemon franchise to Sony, Nintendo would be dead in the water.

>>723204501
NTA but Bananza was the first game in awhile that made me question the Nintendo Quality™
And arguably Mario Kart World because it 's a very amateur game.

>>723203187
Nintendo doesn't have enough money, the Pokemon Company generates tens of billions of dollars in revenue every year the total value for 1/3rd of it would be insane.

>>723200481 (OP)
Why doesn't nintendo buy the palworld guys or something, and then just make their own pokemon clone. Nintendo ninjas can't ninja themselves.

>>723204748
Help them do what, make less money?
Pigs eat slop

There was supposedly a Glassdoor review of Game Freak by an (ex?) employee a few years back
It was everything you expected
>GF refusing to modernize or expand employee count
>Old guard rejecting ideas from younger devs
>little upward potential in your career because old guard refuses to give up positions
>no passion in game development

>>723204790
You not liking a games isn't the same as the game crashing or looking like dogshit like Scarlet and violet

>>723202250
>Can you imagine how awful a Square assisted Pokemon would be?
I think it would be better than what GF is pumping out.

>>723204781
they literally can't. it's why Pokemon has a 3 way ownership split.
And even if GF somehow took over TPC, nintendo would reveal the Rock Lee weights of litigation

>>723204858
>buy the palworld guys
>Buy the guys you are suing
huh?

>>723203342
They made Pulseman on Sega Genesis

>>723203521
>If they suck so much, why is Pokemon the most successful franchise in video game history?
Brand recognition. Look at Apple products.Literally overprice and overcharge everything.

>>723204894
it's hard to be as bad as Gamefreak, but Bananza looks like an indie Unity project, which should never happen.

>>723204781
Nintendo is the publisher and trademark owner, moment that GF throw the towel nintendo takes over.

>>723204791
so just buy gamefreak.

>>723200481 (OP)
they know other studios would do a way better job and they'd lose their grasp on it

>>723200481 (OP)
Game freak effectively only has Pokemon right now, if other studios show Nintendo they can deliver with the franchise after years of shitware pokemon games, they may lose their monopoly on the franchise.

Beast of Reincarnation isn't for another year at least and is being made off the back of pokemon money, now would be the worse time for Nintendo to be looking to spend their pokemon budget elsewhere.

>>723204767
Thank God eastern businesses aren't obsessed with owning every company they've ever partnered with, race to the fucking bottom mentality

>>723204976
FAGMAN companies do it all the time.
Microsoft for example, hired the law firm that beat them in a previous case, to help sue the IRS.

>>723204986
Just like Nintendo.

>>723200481 (OP)
>Make a cute little game
>Build it into the LARGEST multimedia franchise from the ground up
>Survive countless legal battles, rise above social backlash, and occasionally sue the odd copycat
>Create more new smiles across all demographics than ANY other longlived franchise today (Mickey Mouse? The MCU? Harry Potter? Star Wars? You'll make me laugh, but it won't count toward that total)
>Generate so much seethe among drooling, impotent executives whose only business acumen is spending more money on advertising in some newaged retarded form of hypnosis that they send a team of hackers after you to try and drag your name through the mud
>And you still manage to improve your inhouse skills every release, without growing so large that the spirit of the team flatlines

They won, continue to win, and you faggots are getting whipped into a frenzy by seething, soulless husks salivating for a piece of their market.

>>723205148
Disney is more successful than Pokemon.

>>723201245
It's not just pride. It's genuine busines wisdom, like it or not.
They know that the overwhelming majority of their users are children and normies that don't give a flying fuck about graphics or performance or anything that goes beyond the "classic"(janky) pokemon experience.

>>723202192
Didn't steal shit.
Xenoblade combat is just MMO combat.
There's nothing original about that garbage.

>>723204976
In lieu of taking that nuclear option I mean.

>>723204858
They haven't released a good game either. Much less a complete one.

>>723205078
That would cost whatever the value of 1/3rd of the Pokemon IP is + whatever Gamefreak is worth in isolation.

>>723205031
No it's not retard

>>723205186
I recall TPC being more profitable than Disney in its entirety.

>>723204858
Sony did that, Nintendo just went with "competition bad" when they could have made literally "Pokemon 2"

>>723205218
>whatever Gamefreak is worth in isolation
GF itself is a rounding error in comparison to the value of the IP

>>723205218
>That would cost whatever the value of 1/3rd of the Pokemon IP is
less than buying the whole IP outright
>+ whatever Gamefreak is worth in isolation.
so nothing?

>>723205193
>Didin't steal shit
>Doesn't know that pic if from their leaked game dev stuff
It's literally xenoblade x

>>723204224
Because no IP is too big to fail, look how fast Star Wars crashed and burned. It only took two bad movies before the franchise was on life support, and then after a mild resurgence it only took a few bad seasons of TV shows before it was dead and buried again.

>>723205302
Its still more than just buying GF's share of ownership.

>>723205391
Star Wars crashed and burned because fucking Disney bought it and western entertainment is in the middle of reaching a feces apotheosis, to say the least of it being an enormously old IP even at the time it was bought

So long as Disney is never a shareholder or owner of The Pokemon Company I think they'll be fine

If anything, Creatures and Gamefreak could use their Pokémon money to buy Nintendo, no Nintendo buy them. Nintendo is for sale the other two aren't. Tendies inflate what Nintendo can do with Pokémon.

Its so Game Freak can still be as lazy as they want.

>>723201434
Pokémon games, the general experience, are fun at the end of the day. Wouldn't say derision, probably just wishing that they would do better or acquire knowledge.

>>723200481 (OP)
japanese boomer pride once again gets in the way of logical decision making

OP's info has to be old, by at least a decade, when both companies were putting out decent stuff still. Nintendo literally took Bandai Namco off of Metroid Prime 4 because their work was THAT dogshit, and handed it back to Retro, and this is despite Retro's last project being that stupid Disney kid's game that was cancelled anyway. I can see some of Square's studios putting out something way better than GF though.

>>723200871
quality is used as an euphemism for cheaper workers, the game freak dudes are probably veterans and their salaries... unnecessary expensive (even if japs are beyond cucked in that regard)

>>723205458
Star Wars was a huge merchandise powerhouse right up until The Last Jedi came out. It only takes a few consecutive bad releases to tank any IP no matter how large. For Pokemon Scarlet/Violet were the first time things got bad enough for normies to complain about the state of the product, another release or two with that level of quality and the franchise will start to spiral.

Never forget how funny this trailer was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-qZiMPsNz0 when the gamefreak logo popped up after the beast roared in 15 frames per second.
Never forget how people unironically think this is Gamefreak going gloves off now that they weren't limited to nintendo hardware and they'll fix it by release

It is genuinely the funniest video game thing to happen in the decade.

>>723205549
Nix the shit Disney didn't make and just acquired and they're about even (impressive in Pokemon's case that they blasted through the decades' advantage Disney held), add the shit Disney didn't make and Disney wins handily

Given the cratering of pretty much all Disney's fronts of business (especially their tourism and amusement parks which are a big enough profit stream that Disney was/is panicking very hard at the low attendance owing to COVID and later) and their inability to push out movies without Pixar and Marvel now, I imagine TPC is more profitable than Disney currently

>>723205692
this, it's called a trust thermocline

>>723205746
Disney's still more profitable

>>723200871
>Since when did Nintendo care about quality
Since fucking forever, dumbass.

>>723205661
Even Bandai's metroid is probably less dogshit than a modern pokemon game. Nintendo has control over metroid so they made the decision.

>>723205709
snoys were desperately trying to rub that in the faces of Nintendo fans while Nintendo and Pokemon fans were hoping it did fantastically so Gamefreak would have enough hubris to let go of some of their hold over mainline Pokemon development.

>>723205260
In 2024, Disney made 81 billion in profit and 5 billion in profit. Pokemon is also nearly 30 years old at this point so thats about 3 billion in revenue a year based on >>723205549

>>723205709>Never forget how people unironically think this is Gamefreak going gloves off now that they weren't limited to nintendo hardware, and they'll fix it by release

Did people forget about this shit?
https://youtu.be/liiz1_P2PLg

>>723205709
How people always fall for unreal engine slop?

>>723205858
I assume you mean 81 billion in revenue

>>723205891
Can't forget what you never knew about.

>>723205858
Sorry it was 91 billion in revenue (not 81 in profits). Please forgive my dyslexia

>https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/app/uploads/2025/01/2024-Annual-Report.pdf

>>723205692
Pokemon has the benefit of being a thing for kids that parents that have no idea about game quality will buy for their kids because of the IP. Pokemon could release a game that makes Gollum look like a 10/10 in comparison and it'd still sell at least 5 million and I feel like I'm being very conservative with that number.

>>723200481 (OP)
what is going on here?
does gamefreak have blackmail on miyamoto or some shit?

>>723205978
Hasn't that been eroded away by roblocks and fortnite e-money? You don't even need to buy a game you can just load 50 bucks onto your kid's account.

>>723205891
>this is the power of GameFreak without Pokemon
whoa...
I unironically love Drill Dozer. It's sad that they went down the shitter so hard

I really wish that Game Freak would put in like the slightest modicum of effort when making the games.

>>723205858
Honestly with the 10-15 million cost of one "mainline" game I would assume TPC has vastly higher profit margins than Disney.

>>723206004
I think it still is stuff from a leak that happened with game freak months ago? More stuff was shared apparently. Even projects for pokemons games until 2030

>>723205978
Kids aren't a significant part of the Pokemon audience anymore. Not that they don't pick up any each new gen, but the vast majority of the Pokémon audience is Millennials and Elder Zoomers that got their start with the franchise Gens 1-5.

>>723206024
There's still kids too young to be into Fortnite and Roblox that need babbys first vidya and Nintendo fulfills that niche. Pokemon and Mario specifically.

>>723200871
It matters when it hurts their brand. Pokemon games still sell like water but everyone shits on GameFreak every time a new game is announced. And most people don't even understand their relationship so they actually blame Nintendo.

>>723206004

They own a third of Pokemon. And Nintendo knows not to fuck with the golden goose, even if that means allowing Game Freak to make the same half-assed game over and over again.

>>723204267
This isn't even right. ToTK sold 21 million at 70 bucks because most of its sales were in the first month. BOTW's 33 million definitely did not sell all their copies at 60 bucks considering it has long legs and is over 8.5 years old. MHWi and Dark Ages sold like shit not because of the price but because both games are literal dogshit. Include DD2 next time too since that game is also dogshit.

>>723201245
>You have a company that succeeded so hard since the Gameboy that they think they don't have to try to win.
It's funny since every time they tried to do anything not pokemon they failed hard.

>>723206106
Pokémon games sell shittons of copies despite the abysmal quality, and even then, what the games make is pennies compared to what the real moneymaker (merchandise) earns them
People really underestimate the power of merchandising. There's a reason Hello Kitty and fucking Anpanman are up there in the highest-grossing media franchises list

>>723206106
>Honestly with the 10-15 million cost of one "mainline" game
man that's so crazy, games like ff7 and panzer dragoon saga were 45 million back in the 90s. shenmue was even more than that. imagine having the biggest ip in gaming and still refusing to put in a third of the effort final fantasy 7 did in 1997.

>>723200481 (OP)
Japs hates change.

>>723206292
Money =/= effort

>>723206170
>BOTW's 33 million definitely did not sell all their copies at 60 bucks considering it has long legs and is over 8.5 years old.
The game has never once had its price lowered, new copies are still $60.

>>723205193
>It's not just pride. It's genuine busines wisdom, like it or not.
"Business wisdom" is not upsetting your costumers, GameFreak keeps playing this short term game and it'll eventually bite them in the ass. No one used to complain about the technical quality of their games 15 years ago.

>>723206325
money allows you to hire people that will put effort into making a game.

>>723206394
They're the highest grossing single media franchise on the fucking planet

>>723205815
>Since fucking forever, dumbass.
spotted the nintendodrone

>>723206106
Pokemon games are easily the most profitable games in the entire industry bar some indie games that got absurdly popular.

>>723206325
Money can hire voice actors and a QA team to find and fix bugs before release and it wouldnt be that expensive either but will massively improve game quality.

>>723206394

Well GF is never gonna do that.

>>723206442

If they actually tried, then people would expect that much effort every time. Thats like, too hard, man.

>>723203521
Most people don't want to move on from Pokemon to an alternative or entirely, for better or worse. It's like when people complain about (Thing A) but won't try (Thing B or C) that is similar but might prefer, for whatever reasons.

>>723206486
>Money can hire voice actors
VOICE ACTING IS DUMB FUCKING GARBAGE
I AM SPRINKLING HOLY WATER ON YOU
BEGONE DEMON
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU

>>723206004
Nintendo don't have blackmail on Ishihara

>>723206442
if only they put 1% of that back into the games. the last games made $1.6 billion. 1% of that is $16 million which is more than a mainline pokemon game costs to make. they're LITERALLY not even putting 1% of what they make back into the fucking games lmao. it's actually offensive to anyone buying their product.

>>723206476
minecraft, fortnite, and GTA Online are the only others that can rival it in terms of pure profit making. but then again, pokemon has merch and card game too.

>>723206521
The thing is, there's no alternative to pokemon. Pokemon is pokemon, period. Most people play for the characters they grew up with, not for the game mechanics or anything. The random monster catching game #6641 means nothing to these people.

>>723206365
Bro, come on, I know Nintendo rarely lowers prices, but acting like BOTW got 0 sales over the last 8 years makes you a worse actor than Steven Seagal. This is literally the price for the game at Target and Walmart for me right now. Are you confusing sales for full-price reductions?

>>723206004
Nintendo doesn't own/control Pokemon. Only a 1/3 stake.

>>723206629
>they're LITERALLY not even putting 1% of what they make back into the fucking games lmao. it's actually offensive to anyone buying their product.
Well that's just economics, more money in doesn't equal more money out. That's something Playstation keeps learning the hard way with all those AAA games, where they have Insomniac outright begging them behind closed doors to lower their games' budgets, or at least let them divvy the budget up into multiple games. I think you might have an addiction to touching a hot stove, thinking it won't burn your hands the next time if you touch it a different way.

>>723200871
Their games are actually well polished despite the simple art style

>>723206369
The abysmal short term mindset that has worked for 15 years. The Classic

>>723206134
I knew nothing of this and now that I read it up the situation looks like a fucking nightmare
at least it explains the last 2 decades of mediocrity

>>723206394
>money allows you to hire people that will put effort into making a game.
No, it doesn't. The quality actually determines how big or small your team is. It takes a long time, and lots of management work to overlook fucking hundreds of people who are working on one game. It gets complex because half of them become retarded, the other half become lazy. Doesn't matter how much money you throw at them. On top of that. Any change, whether it's one change that's the size of a grain of salt has to get approved. It's a nightmare.

Having a more close knit small team is more likely to churn out better games. Go ask any person who's worked on video games.

>>723202340
WoTC used to handle the Pokemon TCG outside japan and nearly tanked the entire thing because if how incompetent those retards are. Then when Nintendo cancelled the business relationship with them they flooded the market with incorrectly printed cards.

>>723206769

If you knew you could get away with half-assing everything you would too, I suppose.

>>723200481 (OP)
GF is saying outsourcing increases the chances of failure and it's not as cheap as it used to be.
Honestly laughable, even modern square can make higher quality and polished games compared to modern GF

>>723206760
sony at the very least is attempting to give what they make back to consumers. when those gifts end up being $400 million failures like concord they obviously shouldn't have but there is a very big difference between $400 million and $15 million and a number between those is obviously good when something like hades 2 probably cost around $13 million to make. when the biggest ip in vidya has the budget of an indie game then something is very VERY wrong with the company making it.

>>723206876
Thats just their excuse for not having someone else show them up and be forced to actually TRY.

>>723206642
These are essentially services, if you count profit per unit sold, I'm sure Pokemon still beats anything. Look at the fucking games, they are barely AA tier selling for full price and outselling any AAA out there. Scat/Vomit sold 27 million copies, it's fucking brutal.

>>723200871
>Since when did Nintendo care about quality
literally since the NES with the nintendo seal of quality. Nintendo's entire marketing is based on reliable quality. If you start releasing shit games in core franchises you ruin the one thing nintendo has over it's competition.

>In the documents themselves they say they only make two games because it makes more money
>legends johto almost was two versions before they changed to legends za
I have no idea how there are people that still fall for this shit and worse buy both versions... Retards always tried to say to me that it's because they need to trade and battle with their gay friends when that never was important...

>>723206941

>the nintendo seal of quality.

Oh please. All that meant was the game won't make your NES explode.

>>723206924
>sony at the very least is attempting to give what they make back to consumers.
You and I both know they aren't, you delusional goblin, Playstation is trying to be Gaming Hollywood at the same time as they keep treasure-hunting for a live service game that will keep them afloat while they pursue the stupid Gaming Hollywood ventures. Money in does not equal money out, that's stupid.

I dont really understand where the ownership of Pokémon is. Is it more likely that we someday get a mainline Pokémon game created entirely without Gamefreak's involvement, or that we someday get a Pokémon game officially released on PS5 and PC?

>>723206767
15 years and no public respect anymore. Who knows if they would be selling 2x as much if they haven't been fucking up.

>>723202742
Nah, I could see Nintendo getting more forceful and actually being openly hostile to Gamefreak's management only if the series were actually bombing.

>>723206683
Its still $60 at Gamestop

>>723207026
Nothing can happen with Pokemon without The Pokemon Company, Nintendo, and Game Freak all agreeing on it. So Game Freak would have to allow it. And they only do that for spin offs.

>>723205025
>Bananza looks like an indie Unity project
How so?

>even fucking game freak is acknowledging BDSP (and possibly ORAS) were soulless rushed pieces of shit
unovachads won again...

>>723207026
The latter. That's how you get a bunch of spin-offs on mobile (and TCG on PC if you count that)

>>723207112
TPC is irrelevant they work for the three heads
It’s Nintendo, Creatures, and Gamefreak and Creatures always vote with Nintendo.

>>723206929
GF can't keep this up forever, their games are coming out buggy. It's only a matter of time before they need more help to ship a modern game.

>>723207190

Unfortunately, not as long as they sell like hotcakes they won't.

THE ENTIRE WORLD MAP IN Z-A IS ONE MODEL
ITS ALWAYS FULLY RENDERED WITH NO LOD

>>723207118
Just port the games... I don't want them to touch anything. Also fuck centro.

>>723207190
it makes you wonder how much money nintendo routinely throws at GF in hopes they'll release something good

>>723207239
>ITS ALWAYS FULLY RENDERED
this can't be true, they can't be THAT incompetent

>>723207026
Nintendo owns the Pokemon trademarks outside of Japan. Otherwise, they co-own the copyright of the games with Gamefreak and Creatures alongside the Japanese trademarks.

Pokemon Company is just a brand management company and doesn't actually own Pokemon.

>>723207173
Where did you get that from, GF and Creatures veto Nintendo more than the other way around. Hence this thread at all.

>>723206931
fuck, i forgot how much S/V sold. and its almost a yearly game like COD but without the massive budgets

>Square
>Quality up

>>723207190
I really wish Nintendo sent them some actual assistance. Maybe they did for Switch 2. These games are making their consoles look ugly.

>>723207239
Yup that's a game freak game. Blame nintendo and the switch 1 if it runs like dogshit. It should load everything all the time.

>>723207000
but sony is reinvesting the money they make back into the games they put out. gamefreak isn't and with nintendo's huge trove of cash they're sitting on, they really aren't either. if sony is putting out good blockbuster games like gow 2018 then that's good for gamers. if sony is bankrolling nioh 2 and stellar blade, that's good for gamers. if sony is losing money on those that sucks for them but i don't really care as long as i'm getting cool new games. i'm not a shareholder, i don't give a FUCK about how they're nickel and diming. i'm the end user, i only care about good products not the companies financials.

also let me save you the whataboutism argument, jim ryan ruined an entire generation with his live service push and a lot of the games sony is putting out are not good right now. i alluded to this w/ the concord comment. but even the low budget sony games like astrobot were $20 million to make. sony is willing to give a little ip like that more than pokemon gets.

>>723207364
What part of GF don't want help you didn't understood?

They literally work under nintendo roof for fucks sake.

>>723207316
>he wants loading times
what are you stupid?

>>723207384
>3DS is too weak
>Switch is too weak
Can't wait for Switch 2 also being too weak for the upcoming Pokemon. The same console that runs Cyberpunk pretty well.

>>723207326
I feel like when three different companies own the copyright of such a giant franchise its amazing that anything related to Pokémon ever gets released at all

>>723207454
don't tell him

>>723207341
Creature always votes with Nintendo, it’s why Unite isn’t on PC

>>723200481 (OP)
>slide merely comments on how companies are shifting to in-house development due to higher costs compared to the past
>twitternigger twists this as GF rejecting Nintendo's ideas of outsourcing
>everyone on /v/ eats it and start posting anti-Japanese comments about muh centuries old bushido shit
I'm nooticing!

>>723207505
When its the most successful media franchise on Earth you'll agree pretty quickly if it means more money.

>>723200481 (OP)
>this was apparently from 2021
I think, if they lose the Palworld lawsuit, that could be a last straw to give Nintendo leverage to throw the rest of TPC under the bus and demand outsourcing/codevelopment on the next game. Basically,
>you used our name and legal resources to file a boondoggle of a lawsuit to cover your inability to improve as developers
>both our names just got dragged through the mud for you to throw a temper tantrum over having a successful competitor for the first time
>so to pay back our fees, you're going to do what the fuck we want for the next game or two

>>723207454
What load times? Asset streaming solved this way back on fucking N64/PS1, only way to get load screen is changing area or player going too fast like planes in GTA.

UE4 test they’re using for Gen 10

>>723207239
This model isn't even that demanding, Switch 2 would have zero issues having this rendered at all times on top of whatever else is on screen at any given moment.

So whose fault is it that pokegirls fell off after sword and shield?

>>723207617
They didn't thoughbeit.

>>723207316
Did you miss when they shoved models with a gorillon polygons on the fucking 3DS, which would hit single digit FPS on double battles? (The same models they later used for the Switch games 1:1) Or when they failed to implement 3D for every single of their 3DS games? (one of the few 3DS games with no 3D at all)

>>723207581
>throws a pokeball
>have to wait for the model to load
>have to wait for the moves to load
>have to wait for the fully rendered vagina to load
sorry anon, no other way

>>723207608
The engine is the problem.
Gamefreak literally downgraded the visuals.
The beta leaked that’s way higher poly than the final game

>>723207515
So you pulled it out of your ass, because Nintendo probably voted against phone release.
Creatures and GF are in Ishihara's camp, not Nintendo's.

>>723203975
Yeah, you're known to do that to children.

>>723204281
I'd bet my life on it.

>>723207239
AAA developers probably use more polygons modeling a person's face.

>>723207582
For a shitty company like GF, using Unreal might actually improve the quality of their games. They can even hire devs who actually understand what the fuck they are doing.

>>723207415
>but sony is reinvesting the money
anon these games cost hundreds of millions of dollars and have to sell tens of millions of copies at $60/$70/$80 to *break even* let alone turn a profit

there is a reason playstation is dying, anon

playstation killed its japanese developers and astro-bot was made by the five guys and a houseplant allowed to live, anon

it's really stupid to budget out games in the hundreds of millions of dollars for exactly the reasons that playstation and xbox are dying, anon

saying you only care about the end result doesn't make any sense when these companies are on self destructive, inwards collapsing cycles of spending way too much fucking money, anon

they produce AAA slop, anon, it doesn't matter that astro-bot got "more money" than pokemon does, astro-bot doesn't have anything to fucking show for it but being a mausoleum of remembering when playstation actually had IPs

>>723207741
Alright then Pokemon is coming to PC.

>>723207608
The Switch 1 would. And they did this because of other underline problems, the betas actually are much more detailed and loads shit in chunks, also has wild areas, all seamless.

Generation 10 based on the leaks
>Island hopping with resorts and jungles
>diving is back
>islands procedurally generated
>Chao garden system for your Pokemon in specific islands designed as sanctuaries

>>723202250
Square still makes perfectly good turn-based stuff like Octopath Traveler and the most recent FFT remake, it's the cynical GameFAQs refugees obsessed with main number Final Fantasy that believe they've lost their touch or only make crap now. Main number Final Fantasy has problems, but to say that's all Square is, is dumb. I really liked the Live-A-Live remake.

>>723207779
Astro bot is a better videogame than Mario Odyssey and Donkey Kong Bonanza. That doesn't make the rest of Sony's decisions not retarded but they did make one good game and it was successful.

>>723207902
>left
What they asked AI to generate
>right
How the final product will actually look like

>>723207923
lmao

>>723200481 (OP)
They dodged the bullet, good. Both are shit companies. They should've outsourced to Atlus at least.

Legends Z-A originally had 8 player competitive multiplayer with Team Deathmatch and Capture the Flag

>>723207546
This life is like a video game~

>>723207994
he's right

>>723205616
*WERE fun
Modern poKEKmon is goyslop for NPC normalpigs

>>723200481 (OP)
To be fair, if I was in front of gamefreak, I wouldn't cede control of the mainline games to anyone else. They probably are very proud of their achievements in the last 3 decades (can you blame them?). But one thing I would definitely do, is expand the shit out of the teams. Hire a shit ton of people to take care of stuff like modeling and animations.

>>723207943
there must be some guy at nintendo who is responsible for tard wrangling GF and he's possibly the most miserable human to ever walk earth

>>723207779
for simplicity sake, let's say that sony is basically reinvesting 100% of the money they make into new games because of the huge budgets. gamefreak is investing less than 1% back. there's a wide variety of numbers between 1 and 100 that gamefreak could make a much better game with. you don't have to go all in like sony but doing <1% has obviously heavily impacted the quality of pokemon games.

there is a happy medium, even reinvesting 5% of their profit from the previous game would be an $80 million budget. still below a zelda budget but more than enough to make a competent pokemon game for the first time since the switch came out.

>>723207905
Picked the wrong boogeyman pal, I'm the HD2D puker. FF hasn't mattered since 9.

>>723208064
>he's

>>723207902
This will probably look like ass at the end like all their demos lol

>>723207779
>astro-bot doesn't have anything to fucking show for it but being a mausoleum of remembering when playstation actually had IPs
Yeah, this is sad. I played the game and every time I would think why they are commemorating these IPs when 90% of them were fucking axed for the likes of God of Snoy and TLoU.

>>723208125
"gamefreak would make better games if they pumped more money into them" is a false premise and the reason i'm calling you stupid, anon

>>723208052
disgusting japanese backwater stubboners. Why do you always have to press a button to capture a point, just copy halo you retards

>>723208134
FFX's only misstep was Kimahri watering down both Dragoon and Blue Mage, and FFX-2 is the only game I'll ever point to where it's a great game if you ignore the awful plot.

>>723207871
Wait ZA is on the Switch 1 as well?

>>723208224
how else do you think we are playing it, anon

>>723207943
Remember when pokefaggots got mad over people telling them it do be great monolith helped gamefreak?

>>723200481 (OP)
it's insane that nintendo even still lets gamefreak have a say. just tell them how it's going to be and if they try to argue sue them like they do literally everybody else.

>>723208254
i thought the switch emulators were dead

>>723203521
Pokefags have no standards. They will bitch and complain about the degrading quality of the games, the shitty evolutions and everything about the nu-Pokémon games but will rush at the stores to buy the latest entry in the series.

>>723208161
i think perhaps the most shameless part of astro-bot is trying to claim stuff from capcom and other developers as "playstation", one of the biggest is okami showing up when that game's WII PORT SALES are what convinced capcom okamiden would sell well on the DS

it's not like playstation isn't already known for doing this, like playstation all-stars where they claimed dante from DmC (because keiji inafune threw a fit at the westernization trash being ignored; they wanted older dante) and a big daddy from bioshock as "playstation", but i found okami in particular to be pretty tasteless

>>723207767
Unreal 4 on modern hardware runs pretty nice, I wish more companies would realize this.

>>723208170
considering how much content was cut from the final game that we saw in the leaks, yeah i think extra budget to deliver on their vision would have actually helped. extra money for q&a and optimization in particular would go a long way because holy fuck were scarlet and violet buggy messes.

there is seriously 0 excuse to be investing less than 1% of what they made back into their games. hire some support studios to help salvage gamefreaks mess if need be, iwata used to have to unfuck their code so hire some guys to do that.

Team deathmatch

>>723203521
Because Pokemon fans are quite literally, unironically, immensely retarded
Never forget that before the release of Sword and Shield when people decided to push for GF to improve on the absolute garbage that they were about to deliver, a big part of the fans decided to push for a movement where they thank GF instead for giving them happy childhoods or something

>>723207617
Say what you will about the others, but the new Hex Maniac is perfect, contrasting against the XY one very well.

>>723208323
Nah, development just got slower since devs are spread in forks and the actual turbo autists behind yuzu/ryujinx disappeared.

>>723208387
Why all Lucario?

>>723208323
there's forks of ryujinx still floating around
https://git.ryujinx.app/ryubing/ryujinx/-/releases/1.3.3

>>723208092
Creatures handles all the modeling for Pokémon games apparently

>>723208436
Prototype

>>723207923
>Astro bot is a better videogame than Mario Odyssey and Donkey Kong Bonanza
Lmfao.

You're gonna lose your outreach contract if you keep this up, someone will be talking to you about this post

>>723208387
There was capture the flag too, GF was cooking. That could have been a lot of fun, too bad they got scrapped.

>>723208436
Filler art for a proof of concept whose purpose is showing that the online multiplayer works

>>723208387
what is this and why does it look like an unrendered pokemon unity fan game from 2016

>>723208469
But why Lucario of all Pokemon?

>>723208531
He’s always been used as a beta Pokemon over everyone else.

>>723208523
nigger the final game looks like a released unity fan game from 2016

>>723200481 (OP)
Despite all of these leaks, /v/ will still buy these low effort slop games despite pokemon being woke now

Why the fuck would GF split profits with another studio when they can do the same dogshit game over and over and make billions?

>>723208469
>awful time wasting 3D environment camera based menus from 6th gen westernslop
SOVL

Top is beta bottom is final game

>>723208484
He's right :) Play the game.

>>723208453
Yeah, just read about that in Wikipedia. But gamefreak has to have some input on that. Hell, imagine having no control whatsoever over the battle animations and be forced to put those atrocious animations in your game.

>>723207923
>>723208484

>braindead slop for children from Nintendo vs braindead slop for children from Sony

>>723208653
That's bullshit, right? Is that from a trailer?

>>723207923
I doubt Astro hits the hype that dong expander reached, but I could see anything beating Odyssey outside of some stuff, that game had way too much useless moons, anything more focused could be better.

>>723207118
>even fucking game freak is acknowledging BDSP (and possibly ORAS) were soulless rushed pieces of shit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
NU POKEMON SHILLS ETERNALLY BTDO

>>723208739
Holy based

>>723208423
>>723208739
Easy to understand the applefag behavior overlap here given these people grew up on the bootleg iOS era.

>>723208824
Nope, all the beta builds had better visuals than final

>>723207902
>islands procedurally generated
WHY ARE JAPS SO FUCKING FAR BEHIND ON SHIT.

They simultaniously make good shit that is fresh, and then fucking fall into traps that the west has fucking moved on from and dislike like 5-10 years ago. Its like these retards trying to do open world when maybe two companies in the west do it right(Rockstar and Ubisoft, no im not defending ubislop, but its better than most open world)

>>723208926
That's an actual build? lmao
Does it mention Switch 2 anywhere? Maybe that's what they are going to release there.

>>723208938
Didn't the mystery dungeon games have procedurally generated caves

>>723208926
This was most likely a complete slideshow on the Switch considering that even the hugely downgraded final version still ran like shit, it's almost amazing how fucking incompetent GF is

>>723208653
>me in 2008 trying to run GTA IV on my toaster

>>723208938
Realize that Japanese developers are universally just ~5 years behind the curve on every trend and everything makes perfect sense.

>>723209010
Xenoblade run mostly fine and have far more shit on screen than any pokemon game.

>>723208653
>>723208926
Makes me wonder if these retards had no development kit or whatever the fuck were they doing

It feels more real than ever this board is ruled by tendies

>>723200871
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks

>>723208992
Not him but yeah it's one of the builds that leaked last year.

>>723209101
The problem isn't graphics, it's gamefreak. Pokemon SV looks worse than 90% of the Switch library and still runs bad.

I always thought it was weird that there was never an attempt at a revival of pixel-based 2D Pokémon. The huge success of Undertale and all those HD 2.5D bloom ass Square Enix games should have been obvious to even the out of touch Japanese devs

>>723208992
Never planned originally for new hardware
>>723209010
Irrelevant since they made it so every world event is rendered even when off screen in the final game killing performance

>>723209231
2D game isn't going fix issues that have been piling up since GBA era.

>>723209231
I don't want a 2D game with black NPCs and ugly nu pokemon designs

>>723209231
Too much effort when they can just outsource a remaster to some literal who company that never made any game and still sell millions.

>>723209010
It's a mix of GF being incompetent and the Switch being hilariously weak. It's the worst console to be stuck developing for if you're an incompetent dev.

>723209323
Not like building a 360 game with modern tools is easy to other studios either.

>>723209180
true. i think most people realised blaming the Switch alone was a dumb move

>>723209323
>Muh switch hold back devs

Bull fucking shit. Monolith soft made huge ass areas on fucking wii of all thing.

>>723200871
Keeping a franchise from fading into irrelevancy, like cancer, is an issue where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Just because it hasn't mattered yet doesn't mean it never will, and Nintendo is probably trying to stay ahead of things because deep down they realize this.

>>723209410
People who blamed the Switch were fucking retards to begin with. BotW (a Wii U game, mind you) looks better than their next gen Switch 2 game, and I don't even need to see it to say that.

>>723207115
>suddenly no response when asked to justify themselves
Every single time.

>>723209535
>GBA is holding pokemon back
>DS is holding pokemon back
>3ds is holding pokeyman back
>Switch is main reason that pokeyman looks bad
>Switch 2 eh.... Is weaker than n64

>>723209535
>People who blamed the Switch were fucking retards to begin with. BotW (a Wii U game, mind you)
Same level of hardware, effectively.

>>723200481 (OP)
I'm guessing what gamefreak puts out is so shit that if they outsource anything to other people they're just gonna be like
>We really need to redo all of this, it's complete fucking dogshit
and that would delay everything when they're on strict deadlines.

>>723209624
Retard

>>723209006
something like that works better in 2D, 3D shit is just largely awful. The seams and cracks are more apparent. It was cool at first, but not anymore.

>>723209620
>GBA is holding pokemon back
Given DS music didn't sound like complete AIDS, yes.

>>723209676
Cope.

>>723209056
funny thing is, it probably runs just as bad then as it does today, what a cursed port. Apparently a major mod is due next year though to bring it up to snuff. Already exists but its a huge update for it.

Still wont fix some missions CTD if you arent forcing 30fps, and anything about 60fps causes issues.

>>723209435
Exceptions are not rules. Seeing how many games have straight up missed the Switch, I'm not sure how you could argue otherwise. Companies won't skip the console with 150 million units sold unless games physically can't run on it without needing to put in an astounding amount of effort.

You need to remember that FAANG and other big tech companies abroad have stolen up most of the competent coders since the Wii days. The pay is so much better at the big tech companies that you're left with a lot of reject coders in the gaming industry. Not every team is capable of doing black magic to get something like Witcher 3 on the Switch.

>>723209663
GF IS THE SOLE DEVELOPER OF MAIN GAME.

Those retards set deadlines and everything related. Nintendo have little input on their shit.

>>723209264
Black and White 1 and 2 were some of there best games, and Heart Gold(not faggot Silver) was also really good for 2D. They were better at it them.

>>723205667
Game Freak is infamous for being a shit employer that cycles graduates.

>>723209663
this is entirely GF fault, there was a leak from the Japanese Glass Door site(glassdoor is a site for the USA where employees can leave reviews and tips on how working at X company is, you need to prove you work at them though) but its public, Japanese version, whatever its called, isnt, and you need an in.

Anyways, the reviews were all the same. GF upper management and vet devs are lazy and complacent.

>>723209703
Also skill issue by GF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE2ON2MvfOw&list=PLBFC277D047DDFDA3

>>723209795
TPC needs to set the deadlines and those deadlines are set with the tcg, mobile games and anime in mind.

>>723209676
He's correct.

>>723209620
>>DS is holding pokemon back
And I actually believe it was the opposite, GF was actually quite comfortable on weaker hardware since it took less effort to get something that didn't look like complete shit, but from the 3DS onwards their incompetence became more and more obvious

>>723209757
I played it recently with FusionFix and DXVK, solid 60fps, no issues other than the last mission needing a 30fps cap for the chopper.

>>723209894
>Anime

Anime gutted Ash because shit was holding back and games were fucking schedule. TGC and promo crap can always use development material

>>723209992
Gay Tony has the mission issue, yes fusionfix is the mod, its getting a huge update in 2026.

>>723208981
>planning the dlc before the game comes out
I know everyone does this but still makes me rage when I see it on paper.

>>723209624
Same level but ~30% slower still, and with some hard limitations.

>>723205891
Remember they put their BEST PEOPLE on the Town Hero Team, while their B-Team of newbies worked on SHSW.

>>723210201
>Town Hero Team
that happened

>>723210136
>Same level but ~30% slower still
Simply not true.

>>723210262
fucking how, a crypto scam game or AI gnerated slop have more players

>>723210262
gamefreak wants their other games to be successful but nothing besides pokemon sells

>>723210262
>11 peak
Holy shit. I think newer indie games have higher peaks. Didn't Toby Fox do music, too? If Game Freak ever got separated from Pokémon, they would die within a year.

>>723210307
Every single time gamefreak tries to make anything other than Pokemon it fails spectacularly. HarmoKnight is probably their most successful non-pokemon game and that's because Nintendo would give it away at Club Nintendo.

>>723210330
Maybe they should try making a good one, tembo, giga wrecker, little town hero, all fucking garbage. Drill Dozer was their last legitimately good game

>>723210201
>>723210262
>>723210307
>>723210330
>>723210383
>>723210426
Can't wait for their Unreal Engine slop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8wzS9Pfa_0

>>723203959
>muh colesseum and xd
if they were good, they would have sold well

>>723210641
Nothing sold well on the GameCube

>>723204267
>>723204612
>umafag thinks he knows anything about lawsuits

>>723210641
>xd
FUCK OFF

>>723210542
how does it run so bad during cinematics? did they intentionally made it choppy?

>>723210641
Colosseum is the 9th best selling game on GC. But sales never meant quality.

>>723210494
>Drill Dozer
actually a fun little game

>>723202250
Don't need to, they already did and it was really fucking great too.

>>723210542
>>723210736
>fps drops
>ghosting everywhere
>random blurry textures
It's a Game Freak game alright

>>723202683
I don't watch a lot of battle shounen anime, but I'm guessing this is the reason for the ugly scenes that have the brightness turned to 0% whenever lightning is involved?

>>723204640
>once a year
I can tell you haven't even seen what games Nintendo has.

>>723210878
Yes, also why games never do any cool lighting or effects like flashes on hit anymore. Defectives caused irreversible damage to entertainment.

>>723200481 (OP)
Pokemon and Dragon Quest should have stayed low fidelity handheld RPGs. This open world shit just makes it a slog with having to check on all sides of the building instead of just one.

>>723205238
Yes it is.

>>723210878
Also the reason virtual console games look washed.

>>723204858
>palworld equals good
HAHAHAHA

>>723200481 (OP)
Almost, if not all, of GameFreak's profits come from the Pokemon games, nobody plays their other shit. If they have to split dev costs with another studio than they can't spend it on the games they actually want to make.

>>723211134
like home town hero lmao?

>>723210878
Pretty much. There was no real proof or study of the episode or the events since it was like 3-4 kids who just happened to be watching the episode when it aired so they just outright banned the episode and blamed Porygon when it was actually Pikachu's thunder that really had the flashing since pikachu was their mascot and pretty much just washed their hands of the events.

>>723205381
wait shit, this now has me 1% interested.
There's no autos tho right? Just spamming attacks on timers ni no kuni style?

>>723211343
More like worse digimon world.

>>723200694
I mean maybe Gamefreak is right in the longterm. They are responsible for all the success after all. Whatever they're doing it's working and has been working for almost 30 years.

>>723211402
Exactly what came to mind during the reveal. What even is the appeal when there's no real monster raising mechanics?

>>723211061
No, TPC retains both where it counts, Japan.

>>723202829
There are none. I was there in 1999 you had to be there to enjoy it. Anyone playing it now is a fucking retard.

>>723203372
He's schizophrenic, the game is doing well.

>>723211569
The game is not out.

>>723211508
Being fair, people hate world precisely because vpets mechanics.

Story games have far better reception for a reason.

>>723200481 (OP)
You know it's bad when even Nintendo are saying "Your last Pokemon games have ran and looked like shit and it's a bad representation of what our hardware is capable of."

>>723211654
Other way around, people only put up with that combat for the vpetting. Story games are just for dumb personafags.

>>723200481 (OP)
gamefreak wants to keep their cash cow to themselves so they can keep releasing cheap poorly made slop while hoarding the profits

>>723211724
Anon, story games give the usual mon experience, get a party and just do the usual.

>>723200481 (OP)
How can anyone defend GameFreak now?
Even Nintendo knows they are on some bullshit

>>723207118
>>723208862
Neither of those games were bad though?

this pokemon game will flop

>>723207575
>palfags really believe this

>>723211892
>Switch 2 bundle replacing mario kart.

>>723201131
the only monster collectors still around are classic IPs like DQM, SMT and Digimon and they aren't nearly as popular as pokemon despite generally being better games. I say generally because pokemon's battle systems are unmatched, but only in a PVP setting which is incredibly niche compared to the popularity of the franchise as a whole.

>>723205667
>quality is used as an euphemism for cheaper workers
he, the reason why my game runs at 15 fps and breaksif you open a door too fast is because I pay my worker MORE.

>>723211892
I wish. It will sell at least 20 million copies because it has Pokemon on the box.

>>723211798
No one cares about that, or they'd be upset at cybersluts being a Vita worthy JRPG.

>>723211892
sadly. it won't

>>723210693
Dude, the Wind Waker outsold that, and that's after all the hate it got.

>>723211934
Lot of mon games have PVP, hell, previous Digimon game had PVP even if was a massive sacky shitfest.

Pokemon is pure brand those days.

>>723211561
>where it counts
So they'll never release a game outside Japan?

>>723201131
Happened a dozen of times already, what you fags don't understand is that people don't care. They don't really care about the game, they just want to play something with the characters they grew up with. Same reason BW1 was such a disaster.

>>723212016
Cyber sluts got ported, hell switch have both Story and World game available.

>>723211470
What I learned so far from the other leaks from last year was that they have a small 2 year development time for these games meaning a lot of these games, especially on the Switch are confirmed unfinished. It explains why they look like early PS2 games that's still loading. The core GF staff also seems to be fed up with how there's too many people outside the company is handling the franchise. So it seems like there's a lot more going on that most people aren't seeing.

>>723212056
you misunderstand, I'm not saying Pokemon is good because of the existence of PVP. I'm saying that the gameplay systems are good but because the campaigns never take advantage of them the only way to see their true potential and quality is through PVP. the quality of the battle system is the singular redeemable quality of the franchise, and the thing the devs overlook the most to cater to casuals and children

>>723212259
Just give up on pokemon. It's dead now and it'll never get a real game. It's turn based soulless slop.

Platinum was the only studio working with Nintendo that had a shot at something great but you retards refused to buy their games.

>>723200481 (OP)
game freak is tired of making pokemon games so they make increasingly shittier and shittier games out of protest, but they also still take pride in being the guys who make pokemon games so they don't want to give up the title
just typical japanese autism

>>723212359
>mfw I bought bayo 2, W101 and Astral chain (I didn't like AC though)

Reminder that the map for the new game is all one model.
They are incompetent to fuck.
Who the fuck makes an entire games map one model.
No one.

>>723212053
>a mainline Zelda game outsold a Pokémon spinoff
Yeah no shit.

>>723212275
Mate, people loathe when pokemon offers any sort of decent fight. Look at whitney or stuff like Cynthia and Ultra necrosma.

Retards just want mash A, and exactly why romhacks have muh smogon shit reputation.

>>723212109
So Nintendo aren't taking over anything, goalpost-kun

>>723212431
How do you not like kino chain? Fucking tendies

>>723212275
>I'm saying that the gameplay systems are good
>EVs
dude

>>723200481 (OP)
Because Genius Sorority made better games than they have, or ever will, and they still haven't recovered.

>>723212441
this is clearly just collision data, absolute minimal geometry used for making the world solid, right?
this isn't just the actual, untextured model of the actual game world, that is completely loaded-in at all times...
right?

>>723212463
Ultra Necrozma was bs, it would 100% sweep your entire team if you had disabled the handholding exp share (unless you had a Zoroark)

>>723212441
That explains the flat ass buildings

>>723212561
hahaha

>>723212463
>and the thing the devs overlook the most to cater to casuals and children
>ummm anon casuals and children hate it when the game isn't made for casuals and children
holy shit dude no way? I had no idea

>>723211928
*also available on Switch 1

>>723212561
Guess, SV use exactly same sort of thing. Whole island is loaded at once, sans props or Npcs.

>>723212535
could be done in a better way execution wise but I think being able to train pokemon in ways that alter their stat distribution is interesting and a key element of team customization.

>>723204259
The games keep selling gorillions, the Ip is strong as usual. If anything, Nintendo may be angry at GF for the leaks over muh brand concerns.

>>723212629
>>723212687
One of the leaked builds btw
Same shit that happened here >>723208653

>>723212527
I wanted more control over the stands. People shit on V in DMCV but I liked his implementation of a minion based combatant way more than AC's go at it.

>>723212656
There is ton of rpgs that offer decent fights without being that handholding. Fucking level 5 games offer far better difficulty curve than any pokemon game.

>>723212750
So yet again they're so fucking bad at developing games that they had to downgrade the buildings all the way to N64 so the game could run

How did we go from this:
>>723212750
To this:
>>723212687

>>723212790
in their campaigns, sure which is why I say something like SMT is generally better. but I still think pokemon's gameplay systems are better, but under utilized within it's own singleplayer experience. you being dense on purpose or what?

>>723212860
Only post game gave something decent and now not even that.

Don't help that powercreep is downright stupid.

>>723212724
sure the goal is all fine and dandy but the execution is absolutely abysmal and promotes some degenerate gameplay, much like IVs if we really want to go there
if the whole point is to train your pokemon the systems should complement the idea, while the current one is a mixture of eugenics and autism

>>723212858
Small independent company. Also, in fairness, Switch 2 getting delayed for years when it was supposed to launch along MH Rise.

is this game super short this time or something?
the dudes playing the leaks got to the end far too quick.

>>723212972
I can agree with that, thankfully GF is moving the official PVP scene to a battle sim where the number tweaking can be done in a menu instead of needing to go through the breeding and EV stuff

>>723213038
Action games are generally short and arcadey you're meant to replay and experiment

I've been playing astral chain for 21 hours and I'm at the end game and there's a lot of missions. Hopefully it'll be like that.

>>723212441
This looks so fucking small, no way this is comparable to Legends Arceus map in any way

>>723211014
I don't even have seizures but the crap Japan was making in the 90's was painful to watch and extremely gaudy. I'm honestly surprised Japanese kids didn't get seizures earlier from shit like GaoGaiGar.

>>723209435
And then had to implement that stupid variable resolution for the switch remaster. SW expertise can take you only so far

>>723213208
>Tfw watching old anime in a dark room

Shit is painful.

>>723213038
The entire game is set in 1 city that was like 6 screens big in the original XY not counting inside buildings.

>>723211470
They ain't reasonable for the success. The brand name is. Anyone could make a game with the name pokemon on it and it would sell gangbusters. Gamefreak doesn't make the merch or cards. Those sell a mint. The brand sells itself. Everyone knows the mainline games are dogshit. Game freak hasn't given any form of effort to the franchise since They made X and Y.

>>723212460
>um actually popularity matters more than quality!!!

>>723212483
>goalpost
Retarded as hell. Pokemon isn't some niche consumer franchise, it has MULTIPLE international companies in it.

>>723214609
For sales? Absolutely.

>>723214652
That didn't stop Metroid Prime from outselling Colesseum.
Face it, that game is just mediocre and half baked.

>>723210262
>Your indie game has a decent chance of doing better than a billion dollar company.

>>723214651
Which are all subsidiaries of the Japan corporation, Japanese ownership is what counts most.

>>723215042
>Which are all subsidiaries of the Japan corporation,
Who are beholden to the owners OUTSIDE of Japan.