Thread 723203208

where did Nightreign go wrong?

>>723203208 (OP)
>check the influx of complaining reviews
>it's a nonstop barrage of gamer dads complaining that the game is too hard for them

>>723203208 (OP)
it's terrible. 90% of the playerbase is braindead. Deep of night just makes it even more obvious how shit people are.

deep of the night is pointless
new characters, new maps
artificial difficulty scaling is for masochist troons

>>723203208 (OP)
>team ranked mode that turns damage numbers to ng+ type values, which only people who do no hit runs will really enjoy, not the average souls gamer
>is a speed run type game where you cant take the time to explore and need to actually be good at the game at some level
>people get elitist and angry when a teammate is shit
>people get angry at someone who isnt pathing the way they want
>autistic japanese devs want to "respect" their IPs and keep the game lore friendly instead of having way more bosses
>lack of randomization, its mostly map seeds

t- souls slop enjoyer with over 1k hours in elden ring single player. I enjoyed night reign as well but i havent played it in a month, its OK but i hate having to try hard in co-op with randoms

>>723203208 (OP)
the entire game is terrible but people need time to see the light

>>723203208 (OP)
While I enjoy souls games, I'm honestly not that great at them, not awful but probably not good enough to "carry" a team. The concept of Nightreign sounded interesting, but I felt like it would be annoying in 2 ways, either I would be the turbo shitter of the group, or I would be the mid level player carrying a bunch of literal retards. Both situations didn't sound fun. So dispute playing Fromsoft games since AC1, I skipped this.

I don't have a lot of experience with the game, I get mostly cooperative teammates and I just follow them through the map and we do stuff and win even when I fuck up with my navigation & end up behind sometimes. Am I just lucky with the matchmaking?

>>723204389
The optimal way to play the game is already solved and everyone wins by just going through the motions atp. So yeah you won by following your experienced teammates

>games known for their difficulty
>new OPTIONAL mode to make it harder
>it's too hard for the casual "hardcore" souls gamers
>review bombing starts

>>723203208 (OP)
90% of the boss fights are you chasing the boss while it does some wacky fast move that traverses half the area, unless you play a ranged character it's a miserable experience made even more miserable if you don't play on coms.

It may sound odd to say but i dont want my souls games to be "gameified." Nightrein is just zoomzoom shit when i like my souls experience to be slow and methodical

>>723203208 (OP)
thoroughly misread their audience

>>723203208 (OP)
Its only crime is being too hard for casuals. I'm currently oscillating between depths 3 and 4 and 4 is FUCKING hard with randoms, since 50% of them still don't seem to know how to play the game and I don't understand how they've been carried so far into the deep.

>>723204668
Nothing is really added in depth of night. They added cursed weapons/relics and made bosses deal like 100% more damage and become sponges by depth 5. It's fucking boring. The nightfarers are balanced like ass too

>>723204772
I wish there was an alternate singleplayer mode where you could explore & upgrade your character at your own pace. Yes that's basically just base elden ring at that point, but one of the things I like the most about Nightreign is that it makes me try out a bunch of different weapons and playstyles I otherwise rarely or never touches in the mainline souls games otherwise, not to mention the unique nightfarer abilities and nightlord bosses.

>>723204772
It hasn't been methodical since they released the dlc for ds1

Its elden ring for permavirgin brainrot ADHD zoomies

>>723204996
>The nightfarers are balanced like ass too
There is merit to this argument because objectively, the tier list puts Ironeye, Duchess, Wylder and Recluse as useful while Guardian and Revenant are useless. Raider and Executor are only useful in the hands of the most experienced players, and they're useless in the hands of anyone else.

>>723204772
Haha fuck off, actual games are zoomzoom shit? Arcade games are all zoomzoom shit? What kind of retardation is this

>>723205112
Raider becomes total ass in depth 4-5 because damage is so obscene his passive is useless. Executor is a walking arcane stat, the parry is almost always worse than attacking. Revenant has always been a joke. Ironeye is braindead easy mode. Fromsoft is too dogshit too fix the game.

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>>723203208 (OP)
I hope it at least teaches them to scale back the ridiculous shit they have been moving towards.
DS1+2 are so good because they're hard but feel fair. This is very hard and very unfair.

>>723203208 (OP)
I know people here joke about it all the time, but this is a plain and simple asset flip. There's no denying it. You're playing from's C team game made from scraps made to keep you entertained while they develop the next Kings Field

>>723203347
>gamer dads complained the same shit as entitled they are just like after silksong released
yeah im thinking fromsoftware is based filtering the casuals

>>723205969
Ds2 is hated because it's full of artificially difficult bs lol

I legit think Libra is cut content from SoTE that was meant to be in the Abyssal Woods. They just dumped him into this game and left sote empty af

>>723203208 (OP)
deep of night flopped. hard.

>>723206460
stop lying anti-FROM schizo

>>723203208 (OP)
I think it's 80% of the way to a good game, but you really REALLY feel that missing 20% of extra polish after a while. The relic system in particular could use an overhaul.

>>723206460
Why? Because madness?
He has nothing to do with it beyond that.

>>723206154
>Kings Field
The next From game is basically Black Flag but in mmo.

>>723204912
Why not just solo then?

>>723206341
It's not even hard, I can't think of a single boss that is properly difficult in DS2.
Anyone who struggled with the normal enemies just didn't level up ADP.
The difference between DS2 and ER boss fights is insane, I don't think people appreciate how silly fromsoft have gotten.

>>723206595
Yeah madness and the fact that the abyssal woods is an empty, gigantic mostly pointless area... actually a lot of sote is like that so i guess it's prob intended

>>723203208 (OP)
Where's the DLC anyway?

>>723205672
i still remember all the people saying mh wilds should've been more like nightreign lmao

What's better Nightreign or Wilds

>>723206672
Because I'm not that good? I don't claim to be amazing, but if you're in depth 4 and NOT running the evergaol attack power relic then you don't deserve to be there. There's no excuse for throwing away free damage like that.

>>723206858
The woods are meant to be spooky. The apprehension is from what you don't see. Yes this only works once and sure, it's not actually scary, but it's what they were going for. Libra, conversely, is chaos incarnate. Bullet hell while giving you buffs and debuffs while summoning copies of you that attack him, you, and each other. It's pure, unbridled madness. Not spooky. Doesn't fit the woods.

oh right this piece of shit faggot losers were hyping up and shilling so hard for all of 1 week
battlefield will be sitting next to it soon dont worry

>>723207056
Yeah I get the spookyness, it's just that it's so big i expected a field boss. It couldve been reduced to a scary, linear path to midra's manse and only gained from it. It's like 25% of limgrave and empty.

>>723205410
Raider is really good in 4 and 5 but you have to use fists. Raider with Iron Balls and Star Fists can still put in work, but if you're using any colossal set, just throw it in. Not worth it, his entire tanking play style becomes useless unless you're using the fist skill which guarantees you will not die. Wylder has a built in one hit protection ability that works against most attacks but you can get combo'd after it activates and get fucked anyway, and then once that's gone, you've just gotta play as your average dark souls guy except with a grappling hook and a pile bunker which USED to do obscene damage, but in 4 and 5, it's just a free attack you get to use that might stance break the boss. Guardian can still block in those depths but holy shit the early game with him is so bad and even if you succeed in getting good gear, you're guardian. The fight will make Monster Hunter times blush.

>>723203208 (OP)
>muh alternate timelines
Dont care about retarded shit like that

>>723206154
More studios should do asset flips.

>>723207831
they didnt asset flip enough tbqh. it's 99.99% from elden ring. they shouldve ripped the older games more

>>723206858
>>723206460
I don't think so because the woods acted as a build-up towards the Manse where the main boss, Midra, was. And having Libra in the woods, which is a boss that arguably has way more going for it that Midra, would take away attention from that. We know for a fact Caligo and Heolstor were dug up from their archives, but I really don't think Libra was especially with his gimmicks and how his madness works differently than every other character in ER.

>>723207492
>you're guardian. The fight will make Monster Hunter times blush.
The issue with Guardian is that his whole role is to forgive team mistakes, but the team cannot afford to MAKE mistakes in the depths.
I hate this because I have absolute godrolls for Guardian relics and depth relics, but I can only use him on Augur (because ED Augur doesn't care who you are) and I never roll Augur.

>>723203208 (OP)
The night 1 and 2 gameplay got stale after a while. I wish the runs had more enemies and equipment variety. They should add in the rest of the equipment, mobs and bosses from Elden Ring, and maybe some more Dark Souls stuff. I'm not really interested in fighting the super ultra hardcore nightmare mode night 3 bossess. I just want more run variety.

>>723208047
Making a vigor maxed tank in a game where you have optimize DPS as much as possible on a time limit was so retarded. He cant even pull aggro properly

>>723208047
>and I never roll Augur.
Thank god for that because ED Augur is one of my least favorites in depths. ED Augur, ED Gladius, and ED LIbra are the three hardest but they nerfed ED Augur recently and I haven't fought him since then. ED Bugs are apparently way harder than they used to be but I've not seen them either, just normal bugs. ED Libra at D3 was my closest win in any souls game where every single player had to carry, and then ED Gladius at 4 has just been an instant loss whenever it showed up. I'm in 5 now and only did 3 games, it's barely different from 4, did one game there with erg against Heolstor and we got god rolls but the fight took forever and got close at points. Last I checked, most players over there split between D5 and D3 runs and I don't blame them because D3 does strike a tolerable balance between all the adjusted parameters to make the mode fun to replay. As is, I don't really have any desire to touch D5 again since there's other games I gotta play and all that.

There's no real excuse not to have every single boss from all the games in this thing. Or most of them, at least.

>>723203208 (OP)
On release it was fine, if a little light on content, but:
>If you have a decent group to play it with then you probably blew through all the Everdark bosses and Deep of Night so they've added too little content too slowly
>If you're playing with randoms then they've only added content too difficult to be enjoyable because most randoms suck
I think it also didn't help that like 80% of every characters remembrances use the same unlock triggers so while you progress through your first characters story at a decent pace you then blow through all the rest in like two rounds.

Yeah I think uhhh post-Amelia Ludwig is gonna filter him

>>723203208 (OP)
Not adding more content with the recycled bosses.
New stuff ported into the randomization pool is the only way for this kind of game to have legs, even just a few more weapons and mook & evergaol bosses for each everdark/deep of night update would have done wonders

>beat the game solo with all the characters I wanted to
>beat all the everdark bosses as well
>no real upgrade system aside from rng on shitty relics
>no reason to do it all over since I’d just be playing the same thing with the same characters again
>no friends that want to play it
>deep of night mode is just extra hard mode with more shitty relics and little to no gameplay changes
I still wish they had just made it an Elden Ring dlc, at least the content would have been fun to bring into the main game. But as is, it’s just an ER roguelike mod with no reason to play it past a certain point.

>>723209472
Yeah I'll always understand this belief. Some of the nightlords are great and would've made SOTE better if they were just there. Replace some copy-pasted shit like death rite birds and that loathsome ancient dragon with some of these guys.

>>723209739
it's confirmed the ghost dragons from sote are in the nightreign dlc lmao. it's almost the same AI as the basic shit glitchy dragons.

>>723209472
>no reason to play it past a certain point.
This is true for every single souls game. You can play them once or reply them infinitely, it's entirely up to you. Nightreign is peak FROM gameplay for a Jolly Coop PVEfag such as myself.

>>723206279
That's going to be you some day in the future.

>>723209981
Not really, I can play any souls game in a near infinite number of ways, any way I want, without having to worry about meta, time, friends, etc. Nightreign can only be played in a handful of ways, do bad or play wrong and it’s game over. It’s like a car vs a hamster wheel.

Depth 5 gamer here. The relic system is pure dogshit.
The fact that DoN just slapped another relic grind on players was just a huge slap in the face. Especially when they don't even give you deep presets or a good normal relic night invader preset.
Running nightlords over and over pre-DoN (Base/EDs) was the peak of my fun I had with this game. Depth kind of peaks at D3. D4 and 5 are just kinda ass and character balance goes out the fucking window

>>723210471
I roll until I get a good 2/3 and just cheat the last one. I don't even care. Any system where you can play for 200 hours and not have at least one "perfect" setup for a single character is a shit system that doesn't deserve to be respected.

>>723210303
You're completely, objectively wrong, though. People have beaten Nightrun runs at level 1, without changing equipment, with changing equipment, with friends and without them. All manner of ways. If you're failing that it's because it's fucking -hard-, not because it can't be done. No different from any other Souls game.
>play wrong and it's game over
No shit, this was true in DS1 and it's true now.

>>723203208 (OP)
They slop-maxxed

>>723203347
I'm so sick of gamer dads and their entitlement

>>723210863
Well they’re the ones with the money to actually buy the games.

>>723210938
They need to fuck off to other games. Nightreign was not designed for geriatric millenials with shit reaction times

>>723210303
bro what. the game literally has balancing for all party sizes.
solo has gigabuffed rune drops and allows you to buy extra lives at merchants. it also has the heaviest hp downscaling for bosses, so you can comfortably solo them. people literally argue that this is the easiest way to play the game.
duo has buffed rune drops and hp downscaling for bosses. i regularly play duos with a friend and it is absolutely, consistently easier than trios with one random.
trios has no buffed rune drops and enemy hp downscaling, because all three niggas actually contributing dmg absolutely melts any boss in no time.
as for metas, there's really only the evergaol relic, but even that's not strictly required. it's common to find players running it, but it's literally a purchasable, guaranteed relic from the shop and chances are your team wants to do gaols anyways because those are ez runes / passives.

>>723203208 (OP)
I like the gameplay but have had no reason to pick it up again after beating all of the everdark sovereigns. no a hard mode on the same map does not count as a reason

>>723204772
let me guess, bloodborne is your favorite game, or maybe it's ds3
shut up retard

>>723209946
Thank you From Software for putting these amazing enemies that regularly fly a football field away, and phase out of existence back to their spawn, in your time limit video game.

I just wanted more playable characters and more unique bosses and I'd keep playing it forever.

Instead they just keep raising the difficulty on existing content with dumb fidgety mechanics and more RNG that makes them less fun.

>>723204668
Really says a lot about society.

>>723211180
the gameplay... it's so cinema... thank god these niggas in nightreign spamming flame breath and teleporting

>>723211106
>as for metas, there's really only the evergaol relic
oh no no no bro hasn't played the game since deep of night dropped

>>723211526
agheel in nightreign is the worst shit ever created fucking christ. if it spawns in the lake dont even fucking bother the shithead is gonna jump up on the cliff.

>>723211559
The same game: but more time consuming
Oh no I'm really missing out

>>723211658
yeah its pretty shit ngl
there is some cool shit like cursed and red weapons. the main thing is that 2x night invader camps almost always spawn and it mogs gaols

>>723203347
still relevant

>>723211734
The issue with night invaders is that there is no reliable relic for them. In the ideal world you run both invaders and gaols, but the gaols are available to everyone without any hard limiters. Hopefully the ED Heolster relic is yellow and supports those.

>>723203208 (OP)
>where did Nightreign go wrong?
Devs got lazy with the variety. They forget that these live-service games exist solely on the frequency of new content.
Every single month there should have been something new, lined up in the pipeline 6 months prior and good to go.
Instead we get classic Fromsoft radio-silence, which is fine for their next big game, but totally unacceptable for a game like NR.
>New classic field bosses (every month)
>New mobs (every month)
>New map seeds (every month)
>New nightfarers (every 3-6mo)
>New weapons (every month)
>New relics (every month)
>New armour sets/wardrobe (every month)
>New Night Bosses (3mo after launch, alternate every 3mo with new map)
>New map events (every month)
>New map (3mo after launch, alternate with Night Boss)

>>723211947
baiting people with dark souls fanservice only for them to be the only cameo bosses in the first trailer was vile.

>>723211947
They had zero intention of it being a live service game in that way

>>723208483
the reason ED bugs in depths is so much harder than ED bugs regularly is because you can't just burst down faurtis first and gnoster 2 seconds later leaving you to just deal with animus possessed faurtis for the entire battle

at D3+ there's a good choice you won't even kill one of the 2 fast enough to avoid animus' hammer of dawn which is all but guaranteed to kill someone

>>723212213
they buffed ED bugs after depths came out. now red moth does her beam way more.

>>723212184
>They had zero intention of it being a live service game in that way
And I'm saying that was a mistake.

>>723210071
My 50yo uncle beat everything in elden ring. You can still play it just don't expect to be doing sl1 challenge runs

>>723212272
ED damage increase stacks on top
same thing with how gnoster changing targets mid blue orb spell used to be annoying
but on high depths they can oneshot you so it becomes existential

hell that's frankly what kills you most on higher depths, bosses switching targets mid attack and oneshotting you

>>723211947
>more fomoslop
I'm glad I can pick up the game whenever and get the same game I had a month before with the exception of the rotation ever dark

>>723204772
That already happened by DS2. This is just the natural conclusion and I pity that you only realized now this is trend chasing cashin garbage

>>723212184
then what was the point

>>723203208 (OP)
>7 bosses on rotation
>No communication
>network code is as bad as pvp
>duos is boring after beating it once or twice unlike the base game and SOTE
Formsoft trying to do a new type of game and failing cause the audience isn't the same as the ones that always eat up slob

>>723213210
Making a side game to explore more of Elden Ring and their own character-writing, very notably everybody in Nightreign relates to some existing faction within Elden Ring even if they also stretch it like Guardian does with Farum Azula beastmen (new bird-people race called the Pinionfolk) or Recluse does with traditional reclusive witches (like Ranni's mentor)

>>723204772
This

Night reign is a waste of resources. We could have gotten another ER DLC. Instead we got zoomer adhd trash. I want that whole generation dead

>>723213527
Revenant doesn't feel like she belongs in the elden ring world
frankly it feels like she's some kind of unused concept for bloodborne 2 or so

>>723213527
>it relates to elden ring because it has knights and elden ring has knights

>>723205672
damn, for an asset flip that costed 0.1% to make compared to wilds, that's fucking impressive

>>723213619
Revenant's necromancy earmarks her as being very strange given her FAI focus, but her actually walking around isn't necessarily any stranger than glintstone sorcerers being able to transpose their souls between bodies by ritualistic suicide with a piece of glintstone crystal, or whatever Ranni did to move her soul to a doll
I can hear you complaining that's sorcery and not incantations or necromancy but Elden Ring also heavily implies and then later outright states sorceries and incantations come from the same magical source and there's no real differentiation between the two at a deep enough level, so I would guess Revenant is a Faith version of something normally done by Intelligence casters

>>723203208 (OP)
>friendslop
no thanks.

>>723213747
no I mean how her backstory is her being a doll crafted by a young girl in a victorian mansion where the father goes nuts and she seeks revenge on what made him go nuts

that's just pure bloodborne

>>723213852
That's more to do with Nightreign introducing the Night as a concept I think, but I could actually see her being a reused concept from Bloodborne or from upcoming Duskbloods depending on how overtly magical that game is
Otherwise I'd probably just place Revenant as a Leyndell noble family (FAI focus) touched by the Night and call it good

he got a point

>>723213210
I thought best case was we'd have a rogue like with lots of randomness leading to DLC that could add more world variation, characters and stuff. Instead every run is nearly the same. The map is basically static. The 6 night 1/2 random events are tied to specific night lords for no reason. Most seeds are basically identical. Even fucking POIs are always the same like wtf

it wasn't 'advertised' as a rogue like but it's a really shitty rogue like in execution. every run is a 40 minute run back. DLC is looking like slop too based on leaks

>>723213736
COPE
COPE
COPE

>>723203208 (OP)
Deep of the night is just not fun.
Get 1shot by the most random things, the additional effects, negative trait, and relic effects are just tedious, the new red weapons are lame, and dont properly counterbalance the bloated enemy HP.

Just remove the negative effects that every weapon has, and port over more enemies. Also a PvP mode would be appreciated.

>>723204081
The relic RNG being way worse (it was already bad), and way more important in DoN definitely features heavily.

Melee characters being utterly worthless at damage in higher tiers, but idiots still picking them anyway probably features pretty highly too. Even if people don't realize the actual problem.

>>723214536
executor is pretty great against everything other than heolstor

>>723214568
He's pretty terrible every time you have to fight a golem, death rite bird, gargoyle etc. He also falls off hard in longer fights because the enemies bleed resist goes up exponentially. Being able to kill phase 1 fast doesn't really help if your damage nosedives in phase 2, especially since phase 2 is where you NEED to be able to kill fast.

Even when the enemy is weak to bleed and frost, his damage is still a drop in the bucket next to a fully-built Recluse.

>>723214769
every character's damage is a drop in the bucket against a recluse
executor however can also survive a lot better and recluse in depths absolutely can get fucked if they built for magic damage and the game refuses to give them a decent spell

>>723214848
The solution is Guardian, Ironeye, Recluse. Recluse does all the damage, Guardian just tanks, and Ironeye marks and fills any gaps.

And before you say just replace the guardian with another melee, the entire point is that the guardian doesn't dodge. When you dodge, either the recluse gets hit or the enemy moves outside her shotgun range.

>>723215035
wylder helps keep up constant high stagger values which is more important than tanking
not like night bosses don't spam AoE everywhere

sorry lads my heart belongs to the guardian
fat guard counters and fat super-guards let me tank through anything
relics buff up the weaknesses inherent to a tank character in a fromsoftware game
no i will not fucking touch the infinite CBT chamber of the new game mode
yes i will fork over any colossal swords i find

>>723215198
>no i will not fucking touch the infinite CBT chamber of the new game mode
time for your daily shield deadangling honey

>>723215159
Tanking actually REPLACES stagger. If the enemy isn't moving in the first place, it doesn't need to be knocked down for the Recluse to murder it. And anyway, Guardian shockwaves are better at maintaining the stagger bar, while the ironeye marks going off every time the Recluse sneezes will result in a knockdown faster than anything wylder can do, and ironeye ult is just better than Wylders

Wylder retards are actually what ruined the game for me, I can't get rid of them no matter what and they do not contribute anything of value, so I finally had to just quit.

>>723216534
until the boss does their attack that goes around the shield and the guardian just dies
or you get put up against caligo or libra and guardian is just dead weight

>>723203208 (OP)
it went wrong for being a cheap asset flip but being fun anyway, how dare it! might play in a bit even. the worst thing about it are randoms. you'd think deep of the night would discourage plugging but i get more quitters in that mode than ever. and damn depth 3 got hands.

>>723204772
le monster hunter boomer has arrived

>>723216598
Guardian is perfectly fine in Libra. Normal is actually one of his better matchups, but even everdark is fine.

Caligo you're mostly right. The only thing he can potentially do during the fight is revive his retard teammates. I have carried a depth 3 or 4 caligo run doing exactly that, reviving the retarded Ironeye and Revenant who couldn't stay alive for more than 10 seconds. The fight lasted 20 minutes and I had 10 revives. But ideally you're right and he shouldn't be much use during the fight. However, running the guardian/ironeye/recluse team comp is still ideal. You will get to the fight much better prepared because you had an easier time during the days, and the recluse should do enough damage that it doesn't matter.

>>723204772
After I've already beaten Elden Ring, learned all the story and read all the descriptions and explored everything all that's left for me upon replaying it is trying different playstyles, which means challenging the bosses again. Nightreign is that. It is late-stage Fromsoft postgame-ism.

>>723217170
world ruined the series. They should slow movement down by 60% and force 24fps and remove the fight joystick so you have to use the bumpers to move the camera

>>723217646
every single ED libra fight I've had with a guardian was a complete and utter shitshow because the guardians can't kill the condemned fast enough, let alone that one guardian condemned that's just perma behind a shield

and for ED caligo again, he just doesn't do enough damage and eventually dies to frostbite procs because ED caligo is peak fromsoft boss design, absolute best fucking boss since DS2 especially when she just keeps flying away while unavoidable frostbite stacks on you

>>723218216
Guardian's job isn't to do damage. If the condemned aren't dying fast enough it's because YOU are failing, not him. Anyway get a Recluse with Invisibility Sorcery build and Night Comet will delete all three condemned before they even have time to attack.

>>723218274
a recluse with invisibility sorcery build and night comet could be backed up with 2 raiders at depth 5 and still breeze through it
why have a guardian at all in Libra, optimal comp is to replace that guardian with another recluse

>>723215320
photograph of someone playing depth 3 & 4 with randos. absolute crab bucket.

>>723217646
>>723218216
guardian is actually my goto for libra, even the ED version. caligo is definitely a fucked up match up though. i usually pick one of the ranged characters for her since she is so big and lanky and never stands still.

>>723211734
I always take the debuff that does more damage in the rain and never fight stuff in the rain. more than half the time my team does that someone dies anyways, fuck it do better pathing

>>723218529
I won't take it if I'm picking up a weapon for a passive, but if I'm picking up a weapon because it's a good weapon I want to use then I can take the night tide debuff.
stuff like continuous loss, less negation on evasions, rot under max hp, etc are the real DOA debuffs for me

>Check Steam reviews
>Find this:

>FIX THE POINT SYSTEM FOR DEEP OF NIGHT MODE!

>Why am I penalized points for staying all the way through the end of a run when someone else drops?
Fair complaint. I remember this being a huge complaint in Splatoon 3 ranked too, someone disconnects and the match becomes a curbstomp and the losing team loses points for something out of their control.

>Why am I penalized points the next run when some rando from my team drops and I choose to disband afterwards?
Also a fair complaint. If you queue with a 3-man squad and someone quits you shouldn't be penalized for quitting too so you can requeue.

>Why am I receiving 0 points upon completing runs on my tier level with no disconnections or drops?
Also fair. I've had a run where I got the shit kicked out of me throughout the entire thing, but then locked in and beat the Nightlord to death, and despite winning I lost 200 points. Bullshit.

>MAKE IT MAKE SENSE! This is absolute garbage for the amount of time I've put into this game. Considering the lag problems, constant disconnects that require you to restart the game completely and now being penalized for things that isn't even your fault? Yeah SUPER fun. Thanks for making the game NOT fun anymore, FromSoft.
I can understand why this person is mad.

>>723218530
>>723218590
>Fair complaint. I remember this being a huge complaint in Splatoon 3 ranked too, someone disconnects and the match becomes a curbstomp and the losing team loses points for something out of their control.
Actually COMPLETELY wrong. Hell even if you WIN the 3v4, the opposing team doesn't lose points. That's how forgiving it is if someone d/c's

>>723218590
I once lost 700 points because the game bugged out and didn't register us killing the nightlord so we all had to quit out

>>723218638
also i agree shit sucks. especially with randos. tanking -700 at depth 5 fuckin sucks. I got saddled with two retards playing meme builds and we got fucked by nameless king on a fulghor run that should have been free

>>723218638
That was a later update. It didn't always work like that.

>>723218668
Same, was in D3 or 4 so not as many points though. I think it has something to do with wending graces as in the case of mine I had one but it never activated

>>723218530
>play with randoms in deep mode
>one guy ragequits which domino effects into the run being botched
>game tells me point deduction will be waived as i see my points being taken away behind the message

>>723218587
continuous loss would be tolerable if regen cancelled it out completely instead of that jank ass 50% on off thing because on higher depths damage reduction at max health is mandatory and bonus damage at max health one of the best upgrades

>>723218738
Its probably another mistranslation. I swear these retards used chatgpt to translate this game or something. As if Fromsoft's wording on stuff isn't usually garbage enough.

>>723218760
I think Fists might be the meta for Wylder and Raider. It can activate both the successive and charge attack negations easily.
Also if you run dormant fists you have a very high chance of getting iron balls or star fists

>>723218847
GS is fine for wylder because so many absolute god tier legendaries are greatswords
colossal raider is plain ol suicide on D3+ though

>add optional mode designed to be hard
>casuals who played ER with easy mode weapons and get carried in base NR and Everdarks suddenly get mad

Depth of Night is lazy design but it's optional, you can even downgrade your rank if you only want to play Rank 1 or 2 instead of the meme ones where you get oneshot
fromsoft will have to cater to casual players more than ever in their next game

>>723203208 (OP)
>online
>co-op
>extremely lacking RPG elements
>boss rush
great every single thing I dislike about FromSoft games

>>723203208 (OP)
>Let's make a dedicated multiplayer fromslop experience
Cool, sounds kinda fu-
>ZOOMERCORE STREAMSLOP SPEEDRUNNING BATTLE ROYALE LOL
literally nobody wanted this.

>>723219121
>literally nobody wanted this.
I wanted this.

>>723218772
>this game
Whoever does fromsoft translations doesn't know any japanese at all
Reminder that they fucked up the translation of ranni's ending so badly that they managed to invert its meaning

>>723203208 (OP)
The only problems with Nightreign is chinks being able to be matchmade with humans, Ironeye not being nerfed, and needing more randomization instead of their jank ass seed system.

>>723219121
it's true, i didn't want this. but i like it anyway.

>>723207056
Evergaols are ass in depths, run the night invader relic instead
>spawn red beastmen gank (they all one-shot you)
>reward is 10k runes or a shitty blue weapon
lol no thanks

>>723203208 (OP)
the exact second they decided to make Elden Ring's 2nd DLC into a standalone online game.

>>723219121
There's ppl that fw this but every run is doing essentially the same route on the same shit like a bot

>>723219649
it's fun

I hate rng, roguelikes, and being timed. So I hate it and just want all the new stuff modded into elden ring proper

are there any guides out there on getting good? i just got super carried by an ironeye and i want to make him proud, i dont know where to look for resources, also, this is my first souls game if that helps

>>723203208 (OP)
>where did Nightreign go wrong?
Its been out what 3 months and the DLC is still not out? It looks like they really thought they were going to be a live service game like retard

>>723213527
NR doesn't explore shit. It's just an asset flip with basic quests.

>>723222095
There are guides on Youtube but on a basic level it just comes down to knowing your character, knowing what to prioritize during the run and knowing how to fight the bosses
Playing more will solve most of that but it's not a bad idea to watch guides for points of interests or shifting earths so you know how to clear them optimally

fuck Duke's Freja and the death blight nigger. what a pain in the ass

>>723219509
>get matched with chinkoid
>game is immediately so laggy to the point that it's unplayable
I hate them.

>>723211559
bro, tf are you talking about. me and my friend group still run that stupid gaol relic because it is just THAT good and reliable. 5% more dmg (stacks cumulatively btw) for each gaol cleared is just too good to pass up on.

>>723203208 (OP)
Nightreign is actually fun and somewhat challenging because of the time-limit element.
It isn't a braindead casualized piece of dogshit like Elden Dogshit Ring, so of course, it gets review bombed by the subhuman vile masses of normalfag casuals that entered the community with Elden Dogshit Ring.

>>723203347
>make giga hard mode
>its time they give baby mode now too

>>723224320
you should rip your own eyes out, shitter needs to see to be able to win at games lol

>>723204239
You can play it solo and solo is easy mode. The playerbase is a lot better than the figments you have cooked up in your head. Very rarely you will have truly worthless teammates and the game actively makes it not worth your while to keep rezzing a 3 bar shitter over and over. After the 3rd time at three bars? That bitch is likely down for good.

>>723224320
>exploring a vast landmass is le bad
>running around the same sandbox for 99 hours before you memorize where the best loot is is le good
Let's be honest, you didn't even do that, you just read a guide and followed it right to the meta loot

>>723217646
Heh 10 revives on guardian, you are like little babby. I had a nightmarish augur run as wylder where I naively trusted that a fucking recluse and revenant could handle the damage because I got shit all for drops. I considered keeping a generic bow it was so bad, but I dropped it for the commander standard. 52 revives. 52. We won, but I lost faith in humanity and no I did not go down once. 20 minutes of smacking revenant and recluse ass on a loop.

i refuse to play past depth 3, once i hit depth 4 i reset and go back to climbing from depth 1
yes i play raider yes i run colossals yes i love facetanking

>>723203208 (OP)
They changed it from what is essentially a more methodical 3D metroidvania into a fortnite roguelite slop
Fans don't want something different
They want more of the same but better

I immediately lost interest when I heard its a roguelike