Thread 723206436

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>>723206436 (OP)
Oh no, a actually profitable game.

>>723206436 (OP)
budget of 20 million
100k used to develop the game
100 million in profits

>>723206436 (OP)
so? pokegoys will eat that shit up no matter how bad it is. shown time and again.

not to mention japanese devs work slave wages
The profits they take are insane

>>723206436 (OP)
>Capitalism is superior to communism
>BUT NOT LIKE HOW POKEMON DOES IT
Seethe!

Oh no, this is terrible because...it just is, okay? But seriously, you could give Game Freak 100x the budget and they'd still fuck it up.

>>723206436 (OP)
Small indie studio, please understand.

>>723206436 (OP)
>Small budget
>Huge profit
This is bad because?

>>723206436 (OP)
that would be 70$ plus tips

>>723207562
The last gen made over a billion. Are they not going to put that money back in the games?

>>723206436 (OP)
man that's ridiculous. put some fucking resources into your games you bums

>>723206436 (OP)
Hahahah yall pokeincels so mad that we chased yo ass outta /vp!

>>>/vp/58403158
>>>/vp/58399545

>>723206436 (OP)
>no voice acting
>shit graphics
>retarded designs
>reused setting

Where did that 13 million go?

Bring back the IP counter.

>>723207562
It's embarrassing for the literal biggest entertainment IP in the world to be this penny pinching. They could literally have 5 times the budget and the profit margins would still be insane.

>>723207679
If they can make another billion with minimal investment, why not?
From a business perspective, you don't fix what isn't broken and as long as pokemon is printing money, it ain't broken.

You have to realize most of pokemon players are children and normies who don't give a flying fuck about performance and graphics or anything really as long as Pikachu is cute.
Seeing "hardcore" gamers seething about pokemon is hillarious. The fuckers are paying for a game that's not made for them. Literally just wasting time and money.

It shows

>>723207764
into the higher up's pockets

>>723207973
What's the game on top?

>>723208331
Shin Megami Tensei 5

>>723207562
its bad because you are not an executive who profits from it, youre just the pathetic cuck that pays full price for low budget slopware

>>723207764
Marketing. It's often marketing.

if it sells 10M copies

$60 x 10M = $600M

what do they even do with this much money

>>723206436 (OP)
>Palworld mogs it with less budget AND lower price
Kek

>>723208541
It's actually more with taxes. 60 dollars, plus roughly 10% tax, = $66 x 10M = $660M

I mean yeah. Nintendo's always had a policy of keeping budgets down, and they encourage their associates to do the same. I doubt there will ever, ever be a Nintendo-associated game with a budget larger than $50m.

>>723208051
>If they can make another billion with minimal investment, why not?

Caring, artistic success, integrity, legacy, consumer satisfaction, not being a joke, not being a slimeball that only cares about money, building upon a reputation instead of taking away from it.

No one is seething except pokemon fans, everyone else has just been making fun of 'mainline' pokemon for years and then forgets about it until the next one.

People don't even dislike pokemon, gamefreak has ruined the reputation of whatever being 'mainline' means anymore and that's just it. It's YOU and me, the people that still even care about Scarlet and violet that get fucked for even caring in the first place. Non pokemon fans that played scarlet and violet and forgot about it because it was just another mid pokemon game.

>>723208817
BotW and TOTK definitely had higher budgets than 50 million, both were in development for 5+ years

Wukong only costs $40 million to develop

Stockholm syndrome

>>723208396
Do I need to play previous entries to get it? I tried playing SMT games before but they kinda kicked my ass but I was also a dumb teenager.

>muh budget
You could pump Pokemon's infinite profits back into the series and it would mean nothing with Game Freak still making them. A shit tier dev with infinite money is still a shit tier dev.

>>723209132
>Do I need to play previous entries to get it?
No, but if you ever play any SMT so persona, you will get used to combat mechanic and terms.

>>723208661
Based palworld

>>723209417
I never played any Persona despite liking the 4niggas taking turn genre because the setting throws me off. I just don't like highschool dating sim stuff.

>>723208843
There is no artistic integrity in working on more than a couple of games in any given franchise. Why would you demand more from a soulless series like pokemon?

>>723209581
its fine, is just for the combat system, elemental weakness and buff-debuffs. you will learn it and some times mandatory to think abit

Why are snoys and paltards seething?

>commie redditor are using a game having a low budget as an own
I'm sure Pokemon would be much better under your communist Utopia LMAO

>>723206436 (OP)
The bigger the budget the worse the game it seems looking at those examples.

>>723209132
It's not part of some overarching story, and the game mechanics aren't anything crazy, it's just punishing to make bad decisions or get bad rng

>>723207562
It's great for the business, but the last few games have had really poor quality problems. If these games were anything other than Pokémon they would be crucified for how poorly made the were. They could spend more effort to polish the games, but they are cheapskates.

>>723209697
The thing is you don't even need artistic integrity, you just need to give a fuck.

>>723209797
>not being jewish is communism now
pokepedos are truly niggercattle

>>723206436 (OP)
It doesn't need a comparatively big budget when retards will still buy it

>>723206436 (OP)
They are charging $70 + on disk DLC + tip for a low budget game?
I now see why the jew fears the samurai
They truly are brazen

>>723210278
>as if the samurai aren't jews themselves

>>723206436 (OP)
why put more money into the end product when it'll sell regardless of quality or production value?

>>723210309
That was the implication

>>723206436 (OP)
They definitely need to invest more to increase the quality, but those other games are examples of bloated western slop budgets. You don’t need to spend $100+ million to make a good game.

>>723208051
This is how businesses end up failing, you know that right? Yeah, it sounds crazy, but if Pokemon continues to pump out the same slop people WILL get tired of it.
>BUT-BUT-BUT
People complained about the animation of the anime being bad. Gamefreak changed the artstyle to have better animation. People complained about the new art style and that got changed too. The new seasons have been seen by many as better than the previous ones with superior writing, animation, and a better art style than sun & moon.
People complained about various issues with the TCG. From card stock to misprints to balance to product availability and they improved all of it (well, not availability anymore since crypto people got into pokemon cards)

And what you're saying doesn't make sense because Gamefreak WAS making the games better. Generations 1-4 showed huge improvements and additions to the series that are still around today. Generation 5 was the best pokemon made and actually had some fucking challenge to it. After that it has been all down hill.

>>723209697
Final Fantasy was at the cutting edge of technology, story telling, music, cutscenes, graphics, etc all the way up until FF10 and I would say the people working on that series had artistic integrity.

>>723206436 (OP)
Big budgets are literally a cancer killing the industry. Please kill yourself.

>>723207562
With the amount of money they make with the games alone, they could afford to make Rockstar-scale megagames and still turn a profit, yet here they are clearly doing what's minimally required to make a viable product. It's almost comical amounts of penny-pinching greed.

>>723208051
>From a business perspective-
I don't care. I want a good game and it's clear that everyone else likes playing shitty games.

>watch Jinichiro
>make shit game with no money
>onions-lords will still buy

>>723208906
Nintendo actually went out of their way to say their budget for BOTW was lower than typical for AAA games

>>723210675
Why the FUCK did my phone say onion lords instead of Onions lords. Fucking haiku RUINED

>>723210751
Hello, reddit!

>>723210490
>Yeah, it sounds crazy, but if Pokemon continues to pump out the same slop people WILL get tired of it.
You people have been saying this same shit every day for 12 years. It's time to accept that Pokemon is too big to fail because of the merch. The only way this series could ever be forced to improve is to starve the beast, and even if every single customer of the video games suddenly grew standards and a backbone overnight, that would still be impossible because women and children wouldn't stop buying Pikachu plushies in droves, which is what brings in the real money for this franchise.
For anyone who actually cares about video games, the only value Pokemon will ever have anymore is the entertainment value of making fun of it. It's better to accept that and move on instead of continuing to delude yourself with false hope of it ever failing.

>comparing AAA games to pokemon
Huh?

>>723210570
Bloated AAA western budgets are cancer, but you can also clearly see that gamefreak is not spending enough.

There is a middle ground between $500M Call of Duty and Pokemon being made for like 5% of that budget. I think giving Pokemon a higher budget (and maybe some more development time if that is possible with their multi-media marketing pushes) would see serious returns on quality. CoD having a budget of $550, $600, $800M would not made it any better.

>>723210490
>>723210625
>>723210654
Doesn't matter, it will sell. Pokemon fans are gacha-whale tier retards.

>>723210675
>>723210751
what was the reason soi was filtered to onions again?

>>723210751
baka desu senpai

>>723206436 (OP)
>HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA
What's hahaha funny about that you retard?

>>723210823
I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure I read that the older generations still sold more than the modern ones. Feels like it should be the opposite considering literal babies are exposed to it and have been for decades at this point.

I do genuinely believe that in Nintendo and Gamefreak (mostly Gamefreak) made the games noticeably better they would see revenue increase across the board. Not just from game sales, but people actually liking the new pokemon because they are in a good game. Part of the reason, I believe, people seem to hate every new design is cause the games are just bad.

>>723206436 (OP)
Nintendo is coming for you, anon.

>>723211004
>I could be wrong
>doesn't bother to fact check
sword/shield and scarlet/violet are only behind gen 1 you fucking retard. They're numbers 2 and 3.

>>723210839
>I think giving Pokemon a higher budget (and maybe some more development time if that is possible with their multi-media marketing pushes) would see serious returns on quality.
Based on what? Would the consumers start to demand better games and withhold their money from the usual slop? Would Game Freak magically get better at making games? Would they be willing to disrupt their insular circlejerk culture by hiring actual competent developers? The answer, of course, is no. If you gave Game Freak more money, the games would be exactly the same as they are now, and whatever's left over would still be pissed away down the same black hole it is now.

>>723207562
They want to charge you 70 fucking dollars for it. With games that regularly sell 15 million copies at an absolute minimum, they're receiving dozens of times more than they're putting in. Comparatively speaking, that'd be like if I charged you $70 for something that only cost me a dollar to make. Does that not feel like a bit of a scam to you?

>>723211196
effort does not determine value no matter how much you faggots cry about it. Effort ONLY effects whether or not something is worth making to begin with. A good's value is determined by how badly people want it. I could spend years making the biggest ball of shit but that doesn't mean it's worth a penny.

>>723206436 (OP)
the thing is, Pokemon was never a AAA franchise. it just had AAA levels of visibility, largely because of its outside media and merchandising. but for most of its lifespan, Pokemon was a small scale handheld franchise, and Gamefreak never outgrew that, they're just forced to work on console now because handheld systems no longer exist. and yet, people expect AAA console flagship games out of them now.
I'm not defending them, they should have restructured and adapted their development to rise to the occasion. but they didn't. they just kept the same trajectory they would have as if they were still developing for handhelds. that's why there's such a mismatch between people's expectations and the actual product.

>>723210490
people bought Legends Arceus and Sword and Shield, they could release fucking anything and people will eat it up. it's been decade+ of them releasing worse and worse games, with sales only getting better and better. make peace with pokemon being shit for the rest of our lifetimes

>>723206436 (OP)
Yeah, it's still too high. Nintendo should realize they could spend like $10K or even just $1K and people would still buy it. They’d make millions in profit anyway
Pokémon is one example where, even if the game is pure garbage and just a copy paste of the previous one with no real effort, people will still buy it

>>723206436 (OP)
they said they had over 1000 people working on scarlet and violet
just how little were those people paid with that kind of budget? no fucking wonder the games suck ass, people are getting paid so little they're just putting the minimal amount of effort into everything

>>723206436 (OP)
There's indie games with similar $13 million budgets and those are only $30 or $40. Pokemon is a joke, you're actually retarded if you buy the games. AAA pricing should reflect a AAA budget.

>>723208661
>less budget
game has ongoing development costs, it's budget likely has already outpaced OPs oic

>>723210543
Yeah, you're right. Didn't think enough on some of the better examples. Video games just feel more stale to me nowadays. Most games now feel stale, quality or not. Haven't had much success outside of a few older titles.

>>723208661
No wonder they're so assmad about Palworld lmao

>>723211757
Well you're not exactly wrong because MODERN final fantasy IS slop.

I think long series, whether they're TV, Films, or Games can have soul and artistic integrity if the people who make them are talented, passionate, and care. The thing is that it DOES run out eventually, I agree with you. It is just a matter of how long.

Pokemon made it to Black & White and after that it was pretty much just fuck it.

Crazy how there's a new pokemon coming soon and there's no hype, shit even got leaked and still nobody gave a fuck outside of pokefags

>>723210490
>but if Pokemon continues to pump out the same slop people WILL get tired of it
They've been pumping the slop for decades and they're still going strong

>>723211772
Almost like if GameFreak wanted to remain to indie studio if Pokemon wasn't such a profitable and shackled with Nintendo.

>>723206436 (OP)
and it BTFOs all these games in profitability

>>723211946
Well, first of all there is an entire board dedicated to pokemon, but yes I do agree that people don't seem to care anymore even if the games sell well. Pokemon has just become a fact of pop culture and no longer an event.

>>723207973
this. fucking this. when you're raking in god damn billions you think you'd have some fun and make the game badass. imagine if you were told one day you would own the highest grossing IP in the world and one of the most iconic games ever and be rich.

you'd be ecstatic and excited to let your creativity run wild with what you could make with no restriction money wise. instead they penny pinch. lame.

>>723211946
everyone else has pokeslop fatigue, except mindless drones.

I feel like a 13 million budget is waaaaay too much for the quality of content the game has. Where the fuck did all the budget go towards?

>>723211946
>no one cares about the new pokemon release besides pokemon fans
Nooo...it's over........

>>723209132
Nah SMT is all self contained. V is probably the best entry due to it being on PC. Just get Vengeance or w/e.

>>723212197
coke lines for the pokemon designers when they come up with shit like the new meags

>>723212256
>Nah SMT is all self contained*
*except SMT1 and 2 and spinoff franchises like DDS and the Raidous

>>723209778
nigga this isn't a good look for game freak. there are indie games that look and run better than this

>>723212392
game freak could shit on a planet in the shape of pikachu and drones would immediately eat it and ask for seconds.

>>723206560
So you don't care that you're getting a shitty product as long as Nintendo makes money? What the hell is wrong with you?

>>723212392
nobody needed a leak to tell them that pokemon games look like shit, run like shit and were cheaply made.

>>723212392
>nigga this isn't a good look for game freak.
/v/ has been saying this every pokemon release for ages. Literally the /v/ equivalent of Two More Weeks.

>>723206436 (OP)
>put in as little effort as possible
>rake in 100 times the profit
I hate how conditioned their cattle are to buy this slop every single game.

>>723211742
I mean maybe

>>723206436 (OP)
Small indie studio, please understand.

thats honestly smart of them.
why dump a bunch of money when the fans will eat your shit up regardless of quality? its exponentially profitable.

>>723206436 (OP)
PURE FUCKING PROFIT HOLY SHIT NINTENGODS

>>723207973
Are we now pretending that smtv, the unity generated empty dunes simulator with invisible walls and dampener spamming is a good game?

>>723207562
Because the product you are paying a premium for is being held back from living up to 1/100th of it's potential out of pure greed. You do understand that they are screwing you over for profit, right?

>>723206436 (OP)
>Bigger budget = better
Do zoomoids really? i guess GTA VI will be the game of all games.

>>723212693
based, wouldn't want my $60 slop handheld game with day one dlc to have a budget either

>>723212693
Pokemon clearly needs a bigger budget considering the piss poor state of the games and it's not like they can't afford it.

>>723206436 (OP)
I hope the Chinese game companies win and invent a new monster collector franchise and makes Pokemon obsolete
All the CCP has to do is drop the gacha and sell real offline single player games for like $60

>>723208396
Who cares about some persona ripoff

>>723206436 (OP)
>sell low effort cheap slop as video games
>make gorillions in plushies and other shit
sounds pretty smart even though it's sad. If you buy pokeslop in 2025 then you deserve what you get

>>723208661
>gives budget in USD
>gives profit in JPY
Deliberately trying to make it look more impressive than it is. That's great for an indie game, but it still has nothing on your average triple-A game.

>>723210816
I'm glad we have a game that proves how retarded this image always was

>>723212693
so I guess your 10 dollar mudhut in brapzil is better than a 3 million dollar house in beverly hills, Pedro?

Just want to remind everyone in this thread that Pokemon is the biggest media franchise of all time. Bigger than Mario. Bigger than Marvel and Barbie and Star Wars and anything Disney has put out, including Mickey Mouse. And this is the budget they allocate for their flagship products that put them on the map and dictate the direction everything else follows.

>>723213842
Did you know 90% of it comes from the merch and the games are just glorified ads for it.

>>723213842
Maybe those other franchises should follow Gamefreak's example.

>>723213842
and 30 year old mantoddlers will still buy it anyways

>>723213903
The games still sell enough to be within the top selling games of all time. There's no excuse.

>>723213903
Pokemon SV made over a billion. That's not an excuse.

>>723208730
Taxes don't go to the company, they go to the government, you fucking child.

>>723207562
>This is bad because?
It shows that they don't care about providing a good product, there's no love.

Only reason that's a big deal to people is because Pokemon is a beloved franchise.

>>723213842
It actually makes sense. You have to realize that Pokemon is so huge that it is actually a LICENSED game now. So it sucks just exactly like all licensed games.

>>723210490
>but if Pokemon continues to pump out the same slop people WILL get tired of it.
Good thing it's never the same.

You can literally double the budget just to get voice acting, some animation done and good QA to catch all the bugs and it'll still be insanely profitable and the quality of the games will raise dramatically.

>>723212083
Ah yes, only mindless drones care, and yet it will sell tens of millions. Which is it?

>>723212663
VV is good. Hell, even better than Nocturne.

>>723214129
lol, lmao even

>>723214068
>voice acting
Post discarded, what a fucking retard.

>>723214091
Mindless drones are the reason why it will sell millions. The vast majority of normies just mindlessly consume shit without thinking

>>723212489
>Nintendo
It's The Pokémon Company, dumbass. Might as well have said Creatures Inc. or whatever.

>>723211169
>Would they be willing to disrupt their insular circlejerk culture by hiring actual competent developers? The answer, of course, is no.

Legitimately, who are these people who work at Gamefreak?

>>723206436 (OP)
Why are western devs so bad at making money?

>>723213842
>Pokemon is the biggest media franchise of all time
because they shit out as much product as possible with as low effort as possible, yes.

I don't know why people keep posting this as if it's some kind of gotcha. It's like being surprised that McDonalds is the highest grossing restaurant.

>>723206560
They could give them like 100 million more dollars and they'd still make fucking bank. No excuse.

Why don't they at least have a budget of 50 million? That's what most Mario games nowadays have for development. 50 million is nothing compared to the billions they make every year.

>>723206436 (OP)
This is good. The fact that the latest COD took 700M but is the same old brownfilter shit as before is embarrassing

These people complain about gachas being cheap, lol.

>>723213641
Stardew Valley and Undertale clears whatever AAA garbage you're thinking of yes.

>>723206436 (OP)
How much do you think it cost to make Palworld or digimon story time stranger

>>723214448
>Stardew Valley and Undertale clears whatever AAA garbage you're thinking of yes.
Yeah, like Pokemon. Mind you none of those games cost 70 dollars.

>>723208051
>Seeing "hardcore" gamers seething about pokemon is hillarious. The fuckers are paying for a game that's not made for them. Literally just wasting time and money.
This but change Pokémon for Mario Kart. Which despite how shit it is for us at least still has effort and thought put into it

>>723214535
Palworld cost was like 6 million and it had way more effort than any recent Pokemon game.

>>723214068
out of all things asking for VA is retarded. The logistic nightmare from hiring all those VA for many language the game supported is too much.

>>723214543
Not only that, the fucking DLC is 30. You're paying 100 dollars if you want every Pokemon.

>>723214129
I like VV but let's not pretend it's anywhere near as good as the other games, except 4 which is the worst mainline game. how atlus though SMT fans want an entry in the dungeon crawler series with no dungeons to crawl baffles me

>>723214663
You don't need more than JP, you can have subtitles
>But kids will be slow readers
Just press A before moving to the next line like already happens

>>723214232
>I don't know why people keep posting this as if it's some kind of gotcha
Because it clearly illustrates that there's no real excuse for Pokemon's current quality issues aside from Game Freak's lack of care and contempt for their audience. And when you compare it to every other media franchise, the amount of effort those franchises put into their flagship products compared to the amount Game Freak puts into Pokemon games is staggering.

>>723214713
>only have JP dubs
>when they have to support many language
see? that's why you ain't in marketing.

>>723214663
>The logistic nightmare from hiring all those VA for many language the game supported is too much.
Funny how all the games that sell less than Pokemon yet look leagues better still manage to do it.

>>723214768
fpwp

>>723214693
Speaking of expansion prices it will be an interesting example of pokéfags low standards, people loved Donkey Kong Bananza but resoundingly rejected the DLC as overpriced, I sadly don't see that happening here.
Also the pokémon DLC is day 1 right holy shit how embarrassing for Nintendo to have pokémon flushing the good reputation they get for not having day 1 dlc down the drain

>>723214827
it would be easier to just admit you can't read

>>723214129
Trvke

>>723214827
what game? do they have to support multi-languages as many as pokemon games?
>Japanese
>French
>German
>Italian
>Spanish
>Korean
>Chinese (Simplified)
>Chinese (Traditional)
>English

>>723206436 (OP)
How can a game possibly cost hundreds of millions to make? A movie i can understand because faggot A list actors will demand hundreds of millions just to show, but a game? Whats the deal

>>723214985
>games trying to be movies
>cost the same price as movie
yeah. It's the era where uncreative fucks pad their untalented ass with graphics, more fidelity, less gameplay and get away with it.

>>723207562
Because the games are shit.

>>723206436 (OP)
That's way too much, given its quality.

>>723210490
most of pokemon's money comes from merchandise. the video games are just ads. why do you think megas and gigantamax were made? because GF thought they were good mechanics?

>>723214934
>>723214971
There are several AAA games with fully dubbed audio for several languages.
Here's some I can list from the PC Gaming Wiki:
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Deus_Ex:_Mankind_Divided
9 dubbed languages.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Death_Stranding_Director%27s_Cut#Localizations
12 dubbed languages.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Cyberpunk_2077
11 dubbed languages.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Metro_Exodus_Enhanced_Edition
8 dubbed languages.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Resident_Evil_4_(2023)
9 dubbed languages.

Also, this is an especially stupid point to make considering one of the whole purposes of TPC's international branch is specifically to coordinate VA for multiple dubs of the anime and the movies. Pokemon can clearly fucking do it. The devs just don't because again, they're lazy and greedy.

Why do sales matter to you when you're the consumer??

>>723206436 (OP)
Doesn't even look like 20M$ dollar game

>>723215272
>all bloated budget, the games

>>723215339
Because when the games sell as much as they do, what's the justification for all the technical issues and bugs? What's the justification for the increasingly lacking content in each game?

>>723206436 (OP)
Based anti-AAA

I just bought a Switch 2 and there's no games???
Where are the games? I saw the release list and there's only like 6 games being planned what the hell. Where are the games???

They don't need to spend because you fags just lap up whatever they shit out, no questions asked. If just one of their games sold poorly, they'd have to have a rethink.

>>723215431
Deathbstrandings budget is bloated by one language being full of overpriced celebrity VAs, nobody is demanding any sort of celebrity VA for pokémon.

>>723215625
>you fags
first time I've ever seen this place being accused of buying and playing games

>>723215542
why did you buy it then retard

>>723215681
because your mom told me she'd give me more hot stinky anal and that's how you were born. You're a butt baby.

>>723210490
You are normally correct but here is the thing man we are in uncharted territory. All bets are off, traditional concepts of business and success aren't real things anymore.

Pokemon does not have fans. It has obsessed death cultists. People that play this shit are fucking freaks. Hundreds of hours farming shineys, or just minmaxing autistic tournament team builds for a game that literally was not designed for it. It could really be literal dogshit in a bag. They'd buy it. They just don't have any reason.

>>723208051 is right. Cope, seethe, dilate. Nintendo won. TPC won. You lost.

>>723206436 (OP)
They don't need more
Nintendos are starving for games on the switch 2
This is going to sell 10 million+

>>723214663
do you work for game freak? what do you care how much money and effort it takes to voice a video game as if every other AAA company hasn't been doing that shit since the ps2 era

>>723210490
>People complained about the animation of the anime being bad. Gamefreak changed the artstyle to have better animation.
I already want to stop reading because you think Gamefreak makes the anime.
>Generation 5 was the best pokemon made
Oh course, Unovafags have got to be the stupidest fucking people in this fandom.

>>723206560
When you’re the most profitable IP in the world. You can afford to spend some more fucking budget once in awhile

it's amazing how people can be continually reminded that pokemon makes more money than anything else in the industry and yet will still act like it's a poor little indie franchise that can't possibly be expected to accomplish things game companies with far fewer resources figured out decades ago
I really wonder when being a fan of something stopped being about wanting the best for it, because you'd think people who supposedly love the games would want them to be better instead of acting like they can't be despite all the evidence that says otherwise

>>723216026
>or just minmaxing autistic tournament team builds for a game that literally was not designed for it.
Git gud tranny.

>>723216196
I know Gamefreak doesn't make the anime, however it is clear that the general complaints about pokemon product quality are heard and addressed everywhere except for the games.

Also I am 32 years old and my first game was Pokemon Blue, so in reality I am a kantoboomer. My actual favorite is Gen 3 because I was kind of the perfect age for it when it released. I just think that there is a clear difference before and after B&W and I am not sure what Gamefreak has actually added to the series. What was the last major addition to the game that even normalfags would understand? I don't mean a random gimmick that goes away. I mean stuff like held items, abilities, natures, etc.

Palworld's budget was 1 million, and it's a better pokemon game than the next 6 pokemon games.

>>723206560
THINK OF LE HECKIN SHAREHOLDERS

>>723216118
VAs are all a bunch of liberal trannies.
If they ever add voice acting to the most profitable franchise in gaming I hope its AI voices so these people start getting kicked out.

>>723216461
Yeah, and seeing the fact that even the people who shit on Pokemon think the idea of "open world survival crafting grinding" is mind blowing, its obvious Pokemon wont be good even if GF started listening to feedback, since people dont ask for increasing difficulties, for a fresh UI to make dats more accesible, to put more focus on PvP and to stop filling the games with useless shitmons like 99% of the Bug type, its to add stupid open world shit, when the open world is the very first thing that should be scraped.
Palworld shits on the next 6 Pokemon games, you know a game that shits on every single Pokemon game and Palworld? Showdown, which is why what they should have done is cancel this Legends crap and finished Champions first.

>>723216219
You don't get profitable by wasting money on shit nobody pays extra for

People will shell out millions for the pokemon itself and they don't need more

>>723216806
Okay so when I call it dogshit don’t get upset then you fucking child

>>723216906
I don't give a fuck
The game WILL be dogshit
But the good nintendo goys will consume the slop anyway

>>723216806
If that were true AAA games would've never become successful.

>>723216967
The thing is /v/ doesnt want a good game, you just want a different kind of slop, mostly because everyone here is a turbo casual who plays crap like Marvel Rivals and phone gacha slop.

>>723216980
The same Triple A industry where people get fired from even when the game reaches target sales?

>>723209040
What about marketing?

>>723216782
>put more focus on PvP and to stop filling the games with useless shitmons like 99% of the Bug type
Horrible fucking opinion. Not everything needs to be some OU metamon with a 50% winrate on a leaderboard.

>>723214034
That's just an offense to good licensed kids game, now.

>>723206436 (OP)
best thing is that it's going to be better than all of those games

Where does the money go? I bet there's a bunch of illegal sex going on courtesy of pikachu

>>723206436 (OP)
>comparing shitty switch game to absolutely bloated AAA game development budgets
It's not even a fair comparison. Pokemon is and always has been indie-tier.

>>723216540
3iIQ chuds really will get brainwashed into hating anything if they get told is to own the libs huh

>>723217346
>not everything
What fucking is, every single Pokemon game and its derivatives can be finished by a blindnkidm

>>723206560
fpbp

>>723214265
>>723216906
>>723212489
LOL
Look at this assmad loser trying to force his opinion.

>>723206560
Oh vey!

>>723217481
To shareholder pockets, the goal of every business.

>>723207562
Armchair analysts says this is bad because Gamefreak didn't waste money trying to please some random virgins who don't plan on playing their games anyway.

>>723206436 (OP)
And it shows

>>723208661
not hard when youre literally ripping Pokemon models and creating your own bastard monsters whiole ripping off ARK

What are the big studios wasting their money on if they have dev costs in the hundreds of millions?

>>723218067
(((())))

Nintendo derangement syndrome is a hell of a drug

this is why they are so profitable unlike the rest of the industry

>>723210625
>they could afford to make Rockstar-scale megagames
Provide evidence that this so-called 'rockstar' makes games

>>723206436 (OP)
This nigger really said "Spider-Man 2 and TLOU 2 have huge budgets!!!" like this isn't some gigantic fucking L? Imagine putting that much money on tranny MJ and a dyke on steroids.

>>723210625
rockstar megagames took 12 years to make

No wonder it feels like shit. Well It is pokemon, the marketing was probably more expensive than the game itself.

>>723209132
if you are gonna get SMT V, get the vengeance version, its literally just an enhanced version and you can play the old story or the new story, you get to choose. literally no reason to buy the non vengence version ever.

>>723216782
>and to stop filling the games with useless shitmons like 99% of the Bug type
This is really just a gen 3 problem

Probably more than Sonic Racing Crossworlds.

Hey,guys what's going on here?

This game is going to make its money back while making a profit for being a video game and there is nothing these Anti-Pokemon fanboys mad at Pokemon can do other than cry about Pokemon being bad because "muh graphic and muh Pokemon designs I don't like".

>>723218409
Pokemon SV has what, 600 available Pokemon? And only 70 or so are viable, thats almost a 90% filler dex.

>>723218440
How is it running on the Game Gear

>>723214707
>seething at 4
Every time, you will never be a woman.

>>723207562
They're not making as big a profit as they could because they're being a bunch of stingy cunts who want to put as little effort in as possible since they know everyone and their mothers will be gobbling all of the shit up just because it's Pokemon flavored. They could make something absolutely beautiful if they gave it a bigger budget and some effort.
>they could make a full on Pokemon game with the fighting mechanics of poken tournament.

>>723218452
why do shills love bragging that somebody else that isn't them is making money?

>>723213903
The game is the SOURCE of those merch.

>>723214817
dubs are not at all expensive even the cheapest of mobile games that make only a few thousand dollars have them now

>>723218495
Citrus works for me,Inside of houses and stuff it runs at 60. In fights about 37-50. In empty places it runs about 40-50. When in the middle of the city with a ton of npcs it runs at around 30 every once a while it drops under 30 but never seen it under 25. Mostly Around 30-34 when in the busy streets but I got used to it when I turned off the fps overlay.

>>723206436 (OP)
Based Nintendo.

>>723206436 (OP)
>20 million
it says 13 million, retard

>>723218512
>make something absolutely beautiful
Its a dumbass toddler game you pretentious cunt.

>>723206436 (OP)
>Budgets are ballooning too much! You have to stop making games that need to sell 20 million copies to break even! Remember Square Enix being disappointed with Tomb Raider selling 5 million copies?
>N-NO! NOT LIKE THAT!

>>723218513
>Iamma shil for stating facts

nah, I just like seeing you stupid arrogant retards get BTFO for being annoying and trying to force a narrative like its a fucking circle jerk.

Being able to put out Pokemon games that have an even smaller budget than your typical Eurojank AA studio is why Nintendo freaked out so hard at Palworld. Any threat to their Pokemon moneyhack can't be tolerated.

>>723206436 (OP)
Yep, more sales than profit than Digimon confirmed.

>>723207973
>It's embarrassing for the literal biggest entertainment IP in the world to be this penny pinching
no, it is not. it is capitalism. if anything, they have the correct approach based on data
also don't associate smt with your shitposting

>>723218618
holy SEETHE
i just asked you a simple question bud

>>723207973
Even at its worst, Pokemo mogs SMTroons in designs, gameplay, music, battle complextity, pvp, memorbility, etc

>>723211318
Game Freak have ~33% equity in one of the biggest multimedia franchises on Earth and they also have what is essentially carte blanche to decide the direction that entire franchise takes.
There's no reason they shouldn't at least be hiring better, more talented people as their longest tenured employees age out, and there's no reason they shouldn't be reinvesting in the quality of product when both of their partners who own the other two thirds keep expressing concerns about the harm it's doing to all of their respective brand images.

>>723206560
why would you, as the consumer, care how much profit the company makes?
how does that benefit you?

>w-w-well if they make more money they will keep making more games!
they are still making call of duty games despite the 700 million dollar budgets
>w-w-well they will be able to make better quality games if they make more money!
that's clearly not the case here

The guys at the top of game freak are eating baby seal meat sushi off of the most exotic bbcs in hot air balloons, instead of actually sustaining the future of their business. They can take Pokemon for granted but it won't last forever. Kids will find something else one day.

>>723218679
TRVKE

>>723218679
>minor spelling mistake
Poketards

>>723217840
>zero self-awareness
Makes sense considering 'Tendos don't have fully developed brains.

>>723218676
>NO U

thats not how that works, especially when you're in a lower, nonexistant position.

>>723206436 (OP)
They have no reason to spend more when the good little consoomer slaves keep buying it anyway

>>723206436 (OP)
Why spend more when retards will eat it up anyway?

>>723218440
>>723218589
any way to stop the flickering?

The most hilarious part of this is /v/ is mad because this place is full of casuals who want to play Pokemon.
If this board wasnt full of manchildren with arrested development they wouldnt care because normal people stop playing Pokemon at age 10.

Pokemon having any kind of adult fanbase will always be an embarassment for videogames.
Imagine if people into cinema and TV cared about the quality of Caillou.

>>723218809
90% of the shit listed on the pokemon side will never come up once in gameplay. The mental illness here is astounding

Wow, its almost like Pokemon is a video game not trying to be a movie or anything else out achieving. What are you guys? Substitute teachers of video games?

>>723218928
>Imagine if people into cinema and TV cared about the quality of Caillou.
Except Pokemon has its own TV show with millions of adults including me and its nowhere near as babyish as caillou, eric

>>723218869
Retards will get old at some point and then Pokemon will be I Love Lucy and the Ed Sullivan Show. Then Ming Ming Lao's grandson won't be able to print money anymore

>>723218869
So how is that new BF and COD game working for you? LOL

>>723218928
if Cailou was a trillion dollar franchise spanning television, films, and video games you 100% would have man children spamming about it. You regard

>>723218982
>its nowhere near as babyish as caillou
Who do you think you are fooling.

>>723219028
No it wouldnt.
Hello Kitty makes a shit ton of money, has plenty of games etc and you dont see people going on about it.
You are just mentally ill people who never moved on from your childhood.

If Pokemon had proper graphics, was free of bugs and content it would still be a baby game completely unappealing to actual adults

Pokemon has always been shit. It's a typical Nintendo product, relying purely on nostalgia while having subpar performance in every other category.

It's the original gacha game, selling roulette cardpacks to middle age soccer moms. The Pokemon are extremely derivative ripoffs of other media, often random japanese monster movies, or western media products. I mean hell, HItmonlee is literally just Bruce Lee. Hitmonchan is Jackie Chan.
They go for MAXIMUM PANDERING so they add in baby characters for female appeal. They add in mega-evolutions for the 6 year old boy appeal. They even pander to fetishes like furries and pedophiles. /vp/ is constantly harassing the dev team to add more "sexy anthro evolutions" and it's an open secret the games sexualize the underage girl characters and with short skirts and low camera angles.

Pokemon is another trashy Nintendo product that

>>723218928
>Pokemon having any kind of adult fanbase will always be an embarassment for videogames.

KEK Sonyfanboys are already covering that area of expertise.

>>723218928
You don't have to want to play Pokemon to be concerned that the biggest media franchise in the world, one that's primarily targeted at children, is training them to consume and defend soulless slop that barely even functions.

>>723219149
You are a straw manning retard. No matter how much you type on the internet you will never sound smart.

>>723219208
Yeah right, /v/ unironically going "think of the children" when you ate up Palworld entirely because it was similar to Pokemon.
This website has a Pokemon board, dude, you are all just manchildren obsessed with toddlerslop.

>>723219208
>is training them to consume and defend soulless slop that barely even functions.
soulless slop filled with pedophilia, furry pandering, and relies heavily on gacha mechanics.

>>723219329
Meanwhile /v/ slurps up gachaslop so hard it has an unironic phone slop board.

>>723219379
the same phone slop that poketurds slurp up when playing their shitty masters ex gacha lol

>>723206436 (OP)
makes me wonder what was the Palworld budget?

>>723219446
Yes, seems like the conclusion is this website is full of men with the minds of kids.
Pokemon is a franchise that exists so parents can give something to their kids and stop bothering them all day, if you unironically play this as an adult you are mentally ill.

>>723207973
SMT VV is such a damn good game, I wish more people gave it a chance.
Actually underrated.

>>723219537
but that's all of Nintendo products. They are cute happy, smiling little characters who make bing-bing-wahoo noises. Nintendo initially sold these to kids, but changed their marketing strategy to "all ages". So now you have grown ass 35 year old men buying Mario games unironically. Or playing fucking Pokemon with 6 year old protagonist.

>>723212489
> not spending excessive money = shit game
> implying more money = better, successful game
Still enjoying Concord there, bucko?

>>723207679
Judging by them making a new engine and redoing tons of models for gen 10, seems like the money is finally going to be used for something.

>>723206436 (OP)
And it will sell billions
Complete nintendo victory

>>723212973
Wait, since when did Pokemon have day one dlc? The dlc releases in february.

>>723206436 (OP)
Better a small budget than a huge one spent hiring DEI shitters that have
no business influencing video game creation.

>>723219149
Newfags don't realize that moe posting built this site

>>723206436 (OP)
That's a good thing you retard.

>>723206436 (OP)
Yeah, you can tell

>>723218730
>how does that benefit you?
Every single bad thing about the games industry right now is due to ballooning budgets and overinvestment. Do you know what happens when Gamefreak releases a shitty cheap pokemon game? Nothing. You point and laugh and life goes on. Do you know what happens when a publisher releases a shitty EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AAA GAME? They write smear campaigns about how racist gamers are, seek funding from venture capitalists to bail them out, studios get sold off to large, monopolistic publishers, your favourite IP stops getting games because they need to focus all of their 200m in assets on their NEXT AAA flop, etc. etc.

It dramatically benefits the consumer when game developers can release a kind of shitty game that didn't cost them that much money and still make a profit off of it. The alternative is everything that's happened to gaming in the last decade and a half.

>>723218998
dunno I don't play neither but doesn't bf6 has 700k concurrent players or something?

>>723206436 (OP)
good
pokespicjeets deserve shitty games

>>723206436 (OP)
If this place had actual adults they'd be happy with this since they'd have bought Nintendo stock back during the Wii U era.
Instead its autists shitflinging because they unironically want to play Pokemon.

>>723220159
right [ - ]

>>723219208
Let's be honest anon, the only reason any of you hate pokemon is because it's the only thing you used to play and because of that you didn't form any real standards choosing to compare pokemon to itself and coming to the absolute wrong conclusions on everything.

>>723206560
>SAAR PROFITS SAAR
why are ninjeets like this? it's not like you're gonna get a share of it, poo

>>723220289
you play shitty games, in modern age, regardless the price
LOLOLOL

>>723219248
Go back to playing Pokemon, and watching Caillou while you eat rainbow colored cereals.

>>723206560
That says a lot about the ridiculously inflated budgets of games these days. Especially games that are more movies than games.

>>723220308
wut

>>723220346
Maybe because the only interest an adult could have on Nintendo is buying stocks.
If you want to play Pokemon, or any Nintendo game as an adult, you are mentally ill.

>>723219156
Didn't realize Bruce Lee was a thai kickboxer and Jackie Chan was a boxer

>>723206560
Translation:
>pokemon fans have zero standards

>>723219156
>Pokemon has always been shit. It's a typical Nintendo product

TL;DR

>>723220506
If that were true they'd be shilling palworld.
Oh wait, they did.

>>723220480
The Hitmonchan one was originally based on Mike Tyson, but he had a blackman rape scandal so they changed it to Jackie Chan at the last minute.

The point is that these are not exactly well-designed, artfully-created things. These are chintzy and cheap ripoffs of other media, as you would expect from a shitty japanese franchise.

>>723206436 (OP)
>NOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU, PORKYMANS HAS TO SPEND 500M TO MAKE A GAME RRRREEEEEEEEEEE
not defending the sorry state the game is in, but you're mentally ill. GTA san andreas had a budget of under 10 million bucks, so z-a has more or less the same budget

kekaro

>>723220569
He thinks pokemon is a gacha game for some reason.

>>723220506
Maybe because the age of the average Pokemon fan is 7.
4chan being full of manchildren stuck with toddlerslop doesnt change the fact that these games are for kids.

>>723219661
Uh, no?
https://youtu.be/QhIYP3gs-CY?si=S3xWP11jDDxpOj9X
https://youtu.be/JWKUq42QRsc?si=G8bGQAmd-fcJhVsZ
https://youtu.be/xGQovpJBmHY?si=58OOIGws0BGAq-lI
https://youtu.be/_a-sA-xw4R8?si=ojbzat34SMbXQhGZ
https://youtu.be/6DyZfCCqYtA?si=NTaZQ0rZqI1MGei6
https://youtu.be/uaDmuC6n9pA?si=tilrXO74JLs5nuig
https://youtu.be/_LVXEtk4qdE?si=XGDkVus36rX7GiXD
https://youtu.be/nPMzB_-KZd0?si=QLL-yCfvDqmeytYf
https://youtu.be/WtixLVQS3K4?si=KmejS5JoRheD2mi3
Nintendo isn't just Mario, and even cutesy stuff like Kirby and Splatoon has weird, unsettling stuff.

>>723220569
Nintendo products are designed for children, but they are marketed to "all ages" for maximum profitmongering. As a result you have adult men in these communities demanding adult-level stories, adult-level difficulty, sexual themes in these games where they absolutely don't belong. Pokemon has actively pandered to furries and pedophiles far too long.

>>723208051
>From a business perspective, you don't fix what isn't broken
but nupokemon IS broken. a ton of features were cut too

>>723220672
According to people who arent their target audience.

>>723220664
You're going really hard on the samefagging today aren't you.

>>723218724
>There’s no reason they shouldn’t be making less money

>>723220618
>translation
macaco post
-49 karma for snoy

>>723206436 (OP)
why are you laughing when this shit will sell 50m copies?

>>723220664
Are you implying people pay attention to recommended ages?

>>723220672
>nupokemon IS broken
Then elaborate

>>723206436 (OP)
Yeah, that's why Nintendo makes money.

>>723206436 (OP)
handhelds always had smaller budgets

you didnt think gameboy games back then were more expensive than halo either did you

>>723220703
pokemon is for all ages though
by putting off adults they're dissuading them from getting the game for their children

>>723220748
Nintendo has actively cultivated a horde of manchildren who get high on nostalgia callbacks to keep playing these fucking children's games. Half of them are trooning out, look at the latest GDQ

>>723220672
>but nupokemon IS broken
It does not play any differently from past entries. This stupid exaggerated criticism is why SwSh and SV sold as well as they did, you all just ended up advertising the games with the free publicity.

>>723213130
nigger you shut your whore mouth.

>>723220810
Nintendo has done nothing, none of their games have ever not felt like they are for 5 year olds.
Its just the amount of mentally ill people have increased.

If you have any interest in Pokemon or its drivatives, or in any Nintendo game as an adult, you are mentally ill.

>>723220661
The amount of money Nintendo makes on adult-games is microscopic compared to what they make on Mario, Pokemon, and other kid-oriented franchises. Zelda is intended for young teens.

If you are an adult you should be playing Mass Effect, Doom, Starcraft, Battlefield....etc. There's a whole plethora of games for you.
I internally cringe every time I see a cutesy Nintendo thread on this catalog.

>that's a good thing actually
I know some of you are trolling but I know some are unironically praising this shit

>>723220664
>Nintendo products are designed for children

Guess what hobby you're your in, Brosef

>>723217840
Said he as he made sure to reply to all of them.

>>723220930
I still like the older games and do play some of them even nowadays

>>723221016
You are mentally ill.

>>723220930
>none of their games have ever not felt like they are for 5 year olds.
Ok nostalgia-obsessed boomer. Look at Mario's head, notice how it is very large in proportion to his body? Those are neonotenous proportions intended to be childlike, or kidlike. You'll find the same type of propotions on Link to a lesser extent, because the marketing of that franchise is for slightly older kids.
Pokemon meanwhile is for the YOUNGEST age group, literal 6 year olds. The fanbase is infested with adult furries and pedophiles huffing nostalgia gas

>>723206560
>>723207176
>>723207562
>Super-low-budget-but-full-priced shovelware titles for the highest-grossing franchise are OK because they make money
>Who cares about the consumer?

>>723220723
Nintendo is running out of patience with how much bad press every single Pokemon game is getting for being ugly and unpolished. It makes their hardware look even weaker than it really is, and the sheer brand power of Pokemon can't sustain them forever. It's prudent for them to spend more money and catch up before they actually face consequences for how bad their products are. All it takes is one game bricking consoles or even just having too many crashes for the whole thing to fall apart, maybe even in a way that Pokemon won't ever recover from.

>>723221068
>im nostalgia obsessed
>when I'm saying I feel zero interest in Nintendo's crap
Also, adults are responsable for their actions.

>>723221105
The consumer of Pokemon is kids, and kids are stupid.
And adults who play Pokemon are mentally ill nutjobs who deserve shit games.

>>723220830
>It does not play any differently from past entries
You dumbfuck. The games didn't break just from playing normally.

>>723210543
People always forget X-2 was a great game.

>>723220959
>Mass Effect, Doom, Starcraft, Battlefield....etc
kinda boring, i don't like their art directions.

>>723221217
Best gameplay, worse story

>>723206436 (OP)
I’m sure the logic behind that choice costed more money than the game behind it.

>>723208661
Yeah, stealing is often cheaper than creating.

>>723217431
Kid games are all turbo casual trash though.

>>723217431
I always got stuck on the museum level because I couldn't figure out how to get the sign in the mirror in the bathroom.

>>723206560
>a actually
Nintendogs are ESL, who would have thought?

you ever notice how there's always a crowd of people in these threads who claim they don't care about pokemon at all yet will spend all thread pissing and shitting themselves over people demanding the games improve

>>723218440
>using a Steam Deck
>to pirate buggy Nintendo games
why do retards think this is a flex? The deck can't even play SV at a locked visual 60, requires a patch for true 60 to begin with, and loses out of draw distance and rendering improvements of the switch 2 verison

>>723221523
Its very obvious now. Its just more NDS addled manchildren seeking validation.

>>723221523
Because those people are manchildren.
Pokemon could be polished, have good graphics and have tons of content, and it would still be a series of embarassingly childish games that would be off putting to any sane adult.
Pokemon doesnt deserve good games (or what a Pokemon fan would consider good), it deserves to die because the very concept of Pokemon is pure childish retardation.

>>723207764
Kato-san's house got bigger.

>>723212489
>shitty product
It's fun to me, that's all that matters.

>>723221196
>The games didn't break just from playing normally.
And neither do the new games.

>>723221681
How are you going to call somebody else a manchild while acting like one? LOL get real. There is wanting for something to improve and then there is demanding somebody or something doesn't deserve nothing and needs to fail. Zero self awareness.

>>723207973
>this is embarrassing
Is it though? Nobody seems to care except you Isn't that the true embarrassment?
Imagine devoting your entire life whining like a little BITCH about what Nintendo and GF are doing.
Kill yourself.

isnt the real money of pokemon merch sales and not video games OR anime?

>>723221718
The pokemon child
>1v1 battles
>4 moves only
>rock-paper-scissors typing system, for the kiddies
>near infinite money
>cutesy artstyle

The Darkest Dungeon CHAD
>4v4 battles
>death is permanent
>bleed, spellcast, armor, anxiety mechanics
>atmospheric and gritty
>limited resources

Darkest Dungeon chads, we can't stop winning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kKNOSGbjQI&t=531

>>723221681
Look another
>it's embarrassing
You are an embarrassment.

>>723221939
Yes and no.
The merch makes the most money but it's the games that drive the merch. Without the games everything would fall apart.

>>723221856
Yes, retarded ideas deserve to fail, and Pokemon is retardation, and for kids to boot.

>>723222039
What a shame of a post.

>>723210816
It's funny how the same people who promote this image are the same ones blowing a gasket when games end up costing 90 eurodollars

>>723206436 (OP)
The budget is not the issue with pokemon games, it's the pathetic dev team that no one seems to be holding to account in any way.
Now you could attempt to draw that outcome back to the budget being low but as anyone will tell you throwing money at a project only gets you so far.
Mostly GF is lazy and indolent.

>>723221949
I can barely see anything going on there between how dark the screen is and the cluttered UI. Music is also repetitive, in a not so good way. I'll just stick with Kirby and Pokemon, thank you anyway.

>>723222117
Go dream of your ideal piece of toddlerslop some more.

>>723222165
Pokemon has extremely dumbed down mechanics. It's not intended for adults. The happy silly smiling characters, the cheery happy music, the simplified game mechanics.
I mean come on bro, this is the game you're playing?

>>723206560
>/v/ got dumpstered by nintendofags in the first fpbp
Incels are so pathetic holy shit

>>723206560
>I only enjoy games that make huge profits

NPC

>>723214158
>Consumption BAD
>Being involuntarily celibate GOOD
I'm quoting you, so no need to ask the same old dumb question.

>>723206436 (OP)

Here is your 400 million dollar game. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>723222450
do poketurds REALLY?

The thing with Pokemon is that it's not even possible to lose.

Every area is designed to be several levels below you, if you progress normally. The only problem you can run into is typing weaknesses, but you have near infinite healing items and the shop is a short walk if you're willing to backtrack. You're never in any real danger of losing.
The only pokemon that is challenging in any given area is the Gym Leader's ace, which is designed to be a level or two above you.
I mean you can just fly through these games, it's easy enough. It's so easy that nuzlockers invented a huge host of rules to increase difficult to an adult level.

When I see people anticipating the game release, mostly what they're anticipating is if the new furry evolution are sexy, or if the game has sexualized underage girls. That's like the real reason they're playing.

>>723222468

Polemon in 1 hour sells more than a 400 million dollar Snoy game sold in its lifetime.

>>723220618
>>723220618
WHO

>>723222468

It cost 400 MILLION DOLLARS. IT MUST BE GOOD AM IRITE????

>>723208661
>Minecraft ripoff ft pokemon
I wish they had made an actual game, but I guess then Nintendo might have actually had a case for copyright/trademark infringement.

>>723218679
>designs

>>723207764
If you're paying 100k per employee on average, that's only 130 people working for one year on the game. Or 65 people working for two years.

>>723222679
>>723222450
>first it was 50mil
>then it was 200mil
>then it was 400mil
it actually cost 1bil
doesnt change the fact gamefreak is fucking over pokemon fans with subpar games

>>723219769
palworld's success shook them

>>723218028
>not hard when youre literally ripping Dragon Quest designs and creating your own bastard monsters

>>723215663
/v/ is the biggest collection of CONSOOMERS on the planet. They can't help themselves. They are obsessed enough with games to post here for fucks sake. Everyone is just pretending to not buy every release at launch.

>>723206436 (OP)
>Pic related had a budget of 10 million
>still mogs most videogames out today
what happened to this industry

>>723222964
and yet everyone can name most of the monsters on the right meanwhile the ones on it left are forgettable shitters
imagine that , little DQsnoy

>>723222960
palkek lost

>>723206436 (OP)
So they only need to sell like 200k digital copies to make a profit? Thats insane

>>723222880

The amount of people who care about your post = the same number of copies Concord sold.

>>723206436 (OP)
The sad thing is this is actually a good budget, the problem is the execution. If instead of trying to be super highpoly and having this mishmash of textures that don't blend together well they made something more in the range of PS2 games and had everything fit they'd have a far better performing game for one thing but also the design would be far less inconsistent. This idea that a major franchise has to be ultra expensive because it makes a lot of money is fucking retarded. Just make a game that fits the budget rather than trying to make something far more expensive that you just can't afford.

>>723206436 (OP)
>ONLY 20 million dollars

>>723206436 (OP)
Can't really blame them, pokemon fans are disgusting pigs who eat any slop gamefreak and nintendo throw at them.

>>723208661
>palworld sells 25 million copies
>is played by an additional 10 million via gamepass
yup, gamefreak is afraid

>>723206436 (OP)
>most profitable franchise in the world
How many fucking yachts does Matsuda have?

>Being over 10 years old and still giving a fuck about Söygaymon

Grow up

>>723222808
Okay, I don't want to be the brand war guy because I love SMT but you're really not going to find a pokemon as bad as the worst megaten designs.

>>723213842
i don't get you. you know the answer, but somehow don't accept it. you think they don't know the fans will buy anything at all? there are guaranteed meetings where they lay off anybody who wants to do more than purely profit. pokemon is the most soulless and heartless brand available. you can't even pity the slave codemonkeys, they knew exactly what they were signing up for

>>723206436 (OP)
It just goes to show that more money doesn't make a better game since all of those are shit by comparison.
Hell the amount of glitches in CP77 put pokemon SV to shame.

>>723223503
why lie, the last known number was 15 million before they pivoted to players numbers.

>>723224171
You're talking to people who treated patent like copyright and the pivoted when they realised they weren't fooling anyone.

>>723224171
he's afraid
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

>>723206849
and after the game releases those devs get a nice slice of the profits to reward their hard work right? RIGHT!?

>>723224295
>"analytic" website
they just extrapolate known data hoping it fits the model

>>723207176
>But seriously, you could give Game Freak 100x the budget and they'd still fuck it up.

the unfortunate reality

>>723224449
palworld sold 15mil copies in 1 month on steam alone
you find it more credible that it didnt sell more copies in the last year than that it did?

>>723224756
If it did they would announce it as a hard raw number already.

Deranged cultists thread

>>723222843
you're paying 1000 jeets 10k a year

>>723224913
They're panicking

>>723222273
"heh devs made money" is not the own you think it is. Devs making money instead of games is exactly the problem

>>723225136
>Devs making money instead of games is exactly the problem
Not really, money results in both more games and less Jewish practices. I mean when was the last time you saw a GF made game have an mtx shop like cod, multiple editions like Spiderman and cancelled content and more rereleases than new games like tlou?

CP77 is the only non Jewish game on that list and as a game it launched in one of the absolute worst States a game could and it still hasn't been completely fixed, as it is now post patches, it still makes pokemon SV's glitches look tame.

>>723225561
You know he's just going to go
>MUH DAY ONE DLC!

*scrolls down*
oh. i see what the real intention of this thread was

>>723225727
w-what??

>>723210490
>People complained
Terminally online losers like yourself complained, regular people either don't watch because they're adults or don't care.

>>723223503
Gamefreak is making games for the biggest multimedia franchise on the planet, they're not afraid

>>723225764
Famitsu.

>>723224913
damn dude, you're in every nintendo thread spamming cultist. Control your NDS.

>>723206436 (OP)
I don't even play Pokemon but...
COD is worse than ever
CP was broken at launch and they've never fixed the game (a lot of companies don't bother to fix bugs)
SM2 is just boring capeshit
TLOU 1 > TLOU 2
It's not about how much money you spend it's what you do with it and how skilled the employees are. A lot of the most expensive games of all time aren't even worth playing

>>723207562
Because this shithole wants all games to be like AAAA Skull & Bones trash

>>723223916
have you even looked at the latest megas?

>expecting a higher quality pokemon game means you want gamefreak to spend 300 gorrilion dollaridoos and go defunct
in 20 years we might have a mainline pokemon game with pokken quality graphics
we are still stuck with sub-colosseum/XD quality graphics

>>723226221
the point is it swings as hard or harder than any of these other games but looks and plays like complete dogshit because they refuse to actually invest in making a better game

>>723206560
>all those seething replies from poos because pokemon doesn't waste millions on worthless DEI hires
LMAO FPBP

>>723223321
Small indie game palworld had more than 100m budget

>>723226526
Have you looked at SMT demons before?

>>723226579
Why the fuck would you want the playdoh looking Pokken textures?

>>723207562
Ita bad because it ends up looking like SHIT. genshin was made 5 years ago and looks several times better. Palworld looks better.

Here comes the samefagging.

>>723226776
So basically you think it's shit because you don't like video games.

>>723226657
>>723223916
these are what STMfags call good designs....

>>723224295
palworld can't win like this tendiebros...

>>723222843
Judging by the end result I'm guessing they're exploiting a fuckton of entry levels

>>723206436 (OP)
Is that supposed to be bad when other games have a budget of 200 for a single game, it takes 8 years to make it to release and then they cancel it 2 weeks later?

>>723226776
looks like the best pokemon game to me
do you want to go back to turn based slop?

>>723208661
LMAO

Nintendo should refuse to platform the next Pokemon game and say it's detrimental to the switches branding identity until they pony up more.

>>723210625
>hey guys get excited for the biggest pokemon game ever in 2035

Does it make sense for them to waste budget on a game 90% of the people will play for 2 hours and then put it alongside the rest of their Pokemon merchandise.

>>723206436 (OP)
This just means there's a very good ROI. Is that not supposed to be a good thing? You guys are super weird.

>>723206436 (OP)
What's the point in comparing it to western AAA slop?
The budget is probably not that much different from Fire Emblem or Xenoblade games.

>>723206436 (OP)
>some reported AAA game budgets
>all are dwarfed by Pokemon

>>723206436 (OP)
they really are min/maxing their patents to the extreme. Pokemon would have been irrelevant by now if they didn't get that massive win.

>>723227230
So you're saying that Nintendo should actively shoot themselves in the foot because it has a reasonable budget for a game and you don't like that?

>>723226590
It probably has more to do with two teams working a 2 year dev cycle to create one game each year

>>723227282
>Is that not supposed to be a good thing?
Not if none of the billions of dollars the last game made doesn't get put back into the product to make it good.

>>723206436 (OP)
But the games cost $150...
Tendies eat it all up!

How long are you retards going to spreg out about Pokémon not being triple A quality? It's been like 8 years

>>723226590
>the point is it swings as hard or harder than any of these other games
What does that even mean?
Like the gameplay isn't anywhere near as bad as the ones with the higher budgets and it doesn't need the realistic visuals or voice acting that push the budgets to Jewish heights.

>>723216782
>numons are either dogshit useless fillers or batshit retarded broken garbage
gen 3 did it best imo

>my game was made as cheaply as possible, ensuring the quality suffers? good, atleast the corporation made more money as a result
You cannot make this up
Nintendo fans are on another level

Im sure clash of clans also has a tiny budget compared to how much it makes.
Probably more fun than this game also.

>>723206436 (OP)
Let me guess ninepedophiles are defending this like they defended Mario kart being 90 dollaroos and Diddy Kong being 80.

>>723216219
Pokemon is profitable because of the merch
They aren't gonna spend more than whats neccessary to squeeze out a game

Nintendo cultists being exposed on a daily basis and then proceed to make shitpost threads trying to pass Nintendo as their friend and pro consumer KWABOTY

>>723227562
Would you rather be jewed out of your flesh in MTX and DLC because the company didn't make enough money?

>>723227562
The leaks shows it's about game freak, retard

>>723206436 (OP)
And this is why nintendo didnt fire a single dev

>>723227459
>nintendo releases barely any games for the switch 2
>all eyes are on Nintendo and by extension Pokemon because they kicked off their console with 2 games and a disability simulator

If this game came out last year or the next no one would really care that much.

>>723207562
It's just snoy niggers being mad that when this flops it only loses $20m, but when their games flops they lose $400m

>>723207679
>make game for 20 mill
>sell for 1 bill
>reinvest
>make 200mil game
>sell for 1 bill
HMMMMMM

>>723227767
Like Diddly Kong Shitanza with a dlc after 2 months or the new pokeslop with dlc announced before the game is even out?

>>723227768
Mario, Zelda and the rest obviously have super duper budgets and look amazing.

>>723220346
india is sony country
out of a million people there, maybe one owns a switch

This thread is really exposing how irrational the hatred towards Nintendo is. After all for years people have been saying how inflated budgets are a bad thing and that more money doesn't result in a better game but more Jewish bullshit to get people to buy excessive microtransactions but the minute anyone affiliated with Nintendo, in this case gamefreak, shows that it's possible to make a good game with a low budget suddenly it's a bad thing that the budget is low and they aren't selling 500 different launch editions with an in game shop.

Only 20 million? Where's the DEI check from Soros?

>>723227864
So, games having cheap expansions made after the game goes gold is the same as having a single character dlc for 10 bucks or having 100 bucks worth of dlc?

>>723206560
It actually isn't profitable for GameFreak, they actively complain in those same leaked documents they don't have the money to throw around even for these low budget shitshows.
This is because all of that money is being split up and funneled into other venues, such as Pokemon's other owners, all of the companies and royalties related to that particular Pokemon product, and most importantly The Pokemon Company, which requires as much money as possible in order to continue endlessly churning out merchandise and commissioning new Pokemon media, such as mobile slop, animated slop, manga slop, and all the other multimedia that The Pokemon Company was explicitly created to manage.
In fact, even TPC itself is very stingy with its investments outside of merchandise, likely because they don't want it to get expensive enough to cut into the cost of merch (especially when they're making shit like life-sized plushies en masse). That recent mobile game, Pokemon Friends, is literally an asset swap of 2016's Think!Think! with an extremely basic room decorator game layered on top of it.

>>723211946
>he says as there's been about 10 seethe threads an hour since the leak
yeah, no buzz at all about pokemon, none at all

>>723206436 (OP)
Nintendo's standards are through the roof
-Slop that can run on a calculator
-Made for ultra casuals
These are the "gamers" that shit up this board.

>>723206560
It's the number 1 highest grossing media franchise and its not even close, it surpasses Mickey Mouse & Friends by nearly double.
They can afford to have a high budget game every couple of years the game is guaranteed to make a profit on strength of IP alone.

>>723227995
>It actually isn't profitable for GameFreak, they actively complain in those same leaked documents they don't have the money to throw around even for these low budget shitshows
We haven't had any kind of word like that from the leaks also they have their own cut of the money made from every venture just like Nintendo and creatures do, they aren't given budgets by them they decide that on their own.

>>723206436 (OP)
And American devs are wondering why they can't hold a job.

>>723228079
>They can afford to have a high budget game every couple of years the game is guaranteed to make a profit on strength of IP alone.
Spendingoney frivolously isn't how you make money. If they can make a game that plays better than their competitors why would they bother spending as much? Doesn't make sense does it.

>>723207562
because the games are trash you fucking dickhead

>>723227928
the quality of the game matters first, that's the entire context you're missing. the normal reaction to ZA is
>What are these graphics? they could've done more with the switch 2 version
>Is that it?
>You ONLY stay in the city?
>really? DLC already? and timegated/paywalled content?

IF you have the opposite end of the spectrum and then expect people to pay full price and then monetize it like a scummy asshole the scheme is transparent, you want maximum profit for the minimum amount of work. Minecraft isn't good because a small dev team made it, it's because it's a fun game with lots to do, because microsoft is in charge people expect more and people want more out of the game that they aren't getting. There's no double standard at all, you're just dumb

>>723228163
Thank you for proving you don't have anything about an allocated budget.

>>723228226
You see right there that they're complaining about how the budgets keep rising, right? That shows that they don't have that kind of money to throw around, even though they should be in the extremely clear for decades to come if they dip an extra few million into their budget allowance if they really are getting most of that revenue from sales.

>>723227928
Hollow knight Silksong is $20, random nintendo slop is $80+
Nintedo are the jews here you imbecile.

>>723228220
>the normal reaction to ZA is
“That looks fun, graphics kinda shit but whatever”

There is an attempt to MAKE people adopt your line of thinking but most people don’t care about that shit

>>723228163
Shit no wonder they moved to a multiplatform strategy and skipped the switch.

Just like Yotei, 99% of people complaining about this game weren't going to buy, play and aren't affected at all by the game's release.
Complaining for the sake of complaining.

>>723228384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4jOPorLQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTVa8Hdc45Y

>>723228220
>the quality of the game matters first
Not really.
You're saying "context" but if you look at all of the complaints no one is actually looking at the game for its quality, they're complaining that it graphically isn't realistic.
I mean look at what you just said.
>What are these graphics? they could've done more with the switch 2 version
Graphics
>Is that it?
Nothing statement
>You ONLY stay in the city?
Nothing statement
>really? DLC already? and timegated/paywalled content
Nothing and a technical lie.

Hell, you're treating it like only being in a city is a bad thing when the important part is the size of the map. I mean, I emulated it and for a pokemon game there's a lot of places to explore. You'd have a point if it were as small as it was in XY but it clearly isn't. Basically your complaint is
>it's set in a region we've seen more of but it's only the city so it must be small because the original was small
>you want maximum profit for the minimum amount of work.
Then you should be complaining about the high budget games, they don't exactly put any effort into their games, they just spend that money on actors and shills while leaving the scraps for the developers.

>>723228475
Naaaah Pokemon situation is kinda like Monster Hunter. Longtime players who will buy the game are trying to spam the internet with negativity in order to force low sales and a change in development philosophy

i guess thats why its so profitable. question is whats the money for?

>>723206560
Yessss tpc, gamefreak and nintendo, shit in my mouth for your profits, nummy num nums!

>>723228583
To have…

>>723228171
Short term thinking. Pokemon games have a huge untapped market for adult gamers who used to play the games as kids but outgrew them and now they see how low budget and cheap the games look and will never even consider buying them. All it would take is 1 high budget title to bring in tens of millions of new fans to the franchise which would pay dividends in the long run.

>>723207562
Because the games are dogshit. Not that bootlickers actually care about that.

>€100 for base game + postgame "DLC"
This shit is fucking disgusting man

>>723228280
Read it properly anon, they're talking specifically about DLC costs. The area zero DLC alone cost as much as PLA to make but their aim is to keep costs for it low.
In other words they don't want excessive spending on dlc because dlc never sells as much as the base game does and there's a chance they won't make the money they put in back on it.

>>723228642
>kids don't play pokemon anymore, only manchildren do, but all kids moved to mobile games and palworld
>actually, adults don't play pokemon games anymore, nintendo need to pay more attention and give games gta like budget
insanity

>>723227928
>shows that it's possible to make a good game
Where, retard?

>>723228684
Bruh this is standard practice now, Pokemon is behind the curve where’s the $5 clothes?

>>723207679
that IS putting money back into the game lol. where the fuck is that 20 mil going?

>>723228746
No that's an entirely different sentance from what I said. I very clearly explained there are tens of millions of people who have played a pokemon game in the past when they were younger but will not play anything new from the franchise because they feel they outgrew it and the games being cheap and shitty looking compared to literally everything else just reaffirms this. One high budget AAA Pokemon game could bring many of them back, its really not that complicated.

>>723228746
The Pokemon fan is both an adult and child until the Labo box is opened and it is observed

>>723228642
>Short term thinking
You shouldn't be thinking in the short term, you should be thinking in the long term.
Short term thinking is how other developers got into this nonsense with bloated budgets in the first place.

>All it would take is 1 high budget title to bring in tens of millions of new fans to the franchise which would pay dividends in the long run.
No, no it wouldn't.
In fact I'd argue that it would sell less since your "high budget" game would be taking away the aspects people want from pokemon. Just look at Digimon and SMT, they didn't exactly bring in more people and they're making multiplats.

>100 billion franchise only has budget $1m higher than an indie game like My Time at Sandrock ($12m) for its newest entry
>An indie game with properly modeled building details, not just painted like in Z-A, fully voiced in two languages, and cost only $40
Grim

>>723228894
Nice reading comprehension.

>>723228583
Plushies, mascot costumes and buying advertising on airplanes. All the TCG artists probably cost a lot too.

>>723227801
Anon Switch 2 is getting Pokemon ZA, Kirby Air Riders, Hyrule Warriors Imprisonment War and Metroid Prime 4 in a span of less than 2 months, other consoles would KILL to have that many year for a launch year.

>>723228515
No one has ever complained that pokemon wasn't realistic, they're complaining that it's ass. Completely different things.

You can have a beautiful game that's nothing close to realistic, we've been doing it for years.

'Is that it' as in, is there more for the expensive video game I'm paying money for? It's everything.

It is typically AN ENTIRE REGION but okay.

'technically a lie' they should hire you for their lawyer team, you'd make a good defender of bad people.

I get it, you're happy with dogshit but other people aren't.

There's no effort here, Nintendo hires actors and then exploits and fires them without warning. they couldn't even be bothered to do that, you just read and watch muppet mouth movements, they can't even go the LoZ route and hire someone to do grunts, lol.
>Then you should be complaining about the high budget games,
You PIRATED THE FUCKING GAME RETARD, you'd just pirate the higher budget games too, it doesn't matter to you. High budget games GO ON SALE, swsh is still the same price its always been, this game will be 60 dollars in 10 years. People are reacting the way they are because they're going to spend money on this game.

You're reacting like a leech and I'm telling you how price effects desired results of a transaction.

>>723229052
lmao this autism

>>723229093
I mean you're the one defending pokemon

Do kids even care about Pokémon anymore? Nearly every person i see being excited for the game is some soifaced bearded faggot

>>723229169
Nope
Neither are adults
Nintendo fakes sales because they are afraid of palworld

>>723229169
the entire pokemon franchise is dependent on pikachu
which is why nintendo is afraid that palworld might create their own pikachu and steal pokemons thunder

>>723229134
no, i just got here lol, i was gonna comment on how absurd the budget for the other games are. how the fuck does black ops cost 700 million. what is it spent on.

but then i saw your post lol

>>723228324
Silksong is trash unlike Pokémon

>>723229372
Lol, you're retarded, I get it. Lol.

>>723228934
Or it could be that I'm just mocking you for thinking a short term solution is a long term solution.

>>723229392
sure lol. but atleast im not that autistic lol

>>723206436 (OP)
How does a gamecube game cost so much? Smells like embezzlement

>>723228926
>>An indie game
This has lost all meaning.

>>723229169
why do you hate fun?

>>723206436 (OP)
nintendo isn't bloated like macdonalds burger devs

>>723228583
To silence the parents that had their kids violated by nintendies.

>>723212663
>>723214129
>noooo every game actually sucks only one game is good everything is shit
i swear only smt fags are like this its insuffarable. i get you have favorites but smtfags are especially mentally ill about it

>>723229480
oh funs fantastic, i just prefer fun that has lower odds of my kids getting molested at a con, you know

>>723229169
>do kids even like Pokemon anymore says increasingly confused anon for the 10th year in a row
Yes you fucking retard I saw a 6 year old with a Pikachu toy yesterday

>>723229169
No, Grummz and Asmongold made sure of it with organizing massive boycott of nintendo products.
And with losing kids market nintendo are finished

>>723229517
It’s contrarians ignore them

>>723229423
Okay, hop back on nintendo's cock now.

>>723228684
Just because of this Ala tendie is currently looking for a twitter post to make another Nintendo is the best gaming company ever!

>>723229594
do you think of anything else lmao. again, my question was how was black ops 700 million. are you sure its me with the nintendo obsession lmao. is this like this /pol/ thing where you guys cant ever stop thinking about bbc or something lol

>>723229374
Can't wait to see how many awards pokemon is going to win this year.

>/v/ is having a meltdown because a simple game made for preschool children doesn't have a budget of gta or whatever
Grow up, you're not the target audience.
Gonna start shitting and pissing yourself because Bluey doesn't have the budget of Hollywood movies next?

>>723229548
I meant the games, of course kids will buy toys but i've never seen a younger zoomer playing a new Pokémon game

>>723229669
I'm saying people expect more for their purchase and you're mad over it, stomping your feet and shitting yourself.

Sounds like a tendie desu, but you could just be a random retard.

>>723229712
If you played raids in SV it was extremely obvious that kids still play lol

>Biggest media franchise in the world
>still feels like an indie game despite making billioins every year
It would be sovl if they weren't so lazy compared to the average indie game

>>723229692
Considering it's the most profitable franchise in history on top of their products being considerably subpar in latest years, it's fair to rip into it

And this is exactly why capitalism was a mistake.

>>723229052
>No one has ever complained that pokemon wasn't realistic, they're complaining that it's ass. Completely different things.
Not that anyone has ever been able to say why it's bad without condemning the entire genre. Also don't act like there haven't been hundreds of posts begging for them to use the more "realistic" visuals of Pokken >>723226579
You're claiming it never happens but it's in this very thread.

>'Is that it' as in, is there more for the expensive video game I'm paying money for? It's everything
Which is a nothing statement. You're saying "that's it" but without any kind of context or comparison it's absolutely meaningless.

>It is typically AN ENTIRE REGION but okay
Which is just proving that you're argument is just
>it's set in a region we've seen more of but it's only the city so it must be small because the original was small
>technically a lie' they should hire you for their lawyer team, you'd make a good defender of bad people.
It's technically a lie because while the dlc was announced the actual dlc doesn't release until February next year and there is no time gated content.

>There's no effort here,
You're saying that as someone who hasn't ever played another tamer to know what effort means in this genre.
Not to mention you're acting as if other developers don't make consessions for the sake of their graphics. Most games nowadays are abysmally short padded out with hours of cutscenes to make an 8 hour game seem like an 18 hour one while making every location a similar biome in order to save time and money. Do you think a particularly visually impressive game like Ghost of Yotei could afford having 8 to 10 different biomes while maintaining the visual quality? No.

>>723229743
lol i havent played a pokemon game since...red. on an original gameboy. but you do you, lol.

how the fuck does black ops cost 700 million

>>723229052
>You PIRATED THE FUCKING GAME RETARD
And that's making you angry because you can't even call me a Nintendo fan who paid for the game, you have to try and argue your nonsensical point and you're failing with each post.
Meanwhile I can just judge it as a game against everything else I've played and can come to the conclusion that it's just a good game.
>People are reacting the way they are because they're going to spend money on this game.
Anon, it's just here and the few places where those posters go like reddit and resetera. You don't represent the majority because believe it or not, most people actually value games as visual experiences.

>>723230042
>most people actually value games as visual experiences.
Well that's a slip and a half
Interactive*

>>723229995
Paid shills and marketing.
They've been reusing the same assets and whatnot since the start of gen 8 so it clearly isn't development.

>>723219208
>handwringing over a product aimed at children being predatory
So we're going back to that era

>>723206436 (OP)
I've seen porn games with a budget of a couple hundred thousand dollars with better graphics

>>723230454
That's because you don't know the difference between visuals and graphics.

>>723230260
just baffling because thats like 650 million dollars the ceo could be just taking for himself. even firing and replacing everyone for pennies, how hard could it be. its not even theoretical, small start up nobody companies rountinely come out of nowhere and make better looking/playing games all the time, palword itself being an example of like a sub 50 person company coming out of nowhere and blowing pokemons socks off. you cant tell me the CEO's havent noticed this and thought about this.

>>723219208
Honestly, it's no surprise that kids are flocking to Fortnite, Minecraft, and Roblox when games aimed at kids like Pokemon are so lazy and bare bones. A low quality Roblox game is about as low quality as modern Pokemon and that's really sad.

>>723230487
I know switch pokemon has neither

>>723230487
are you trying to say that whats been shown has good...visuals?

>>723206436 (OP)
Isn't this extreme cost efficacy that every company wants to achieve?

>>723227562
False equivalency + Ad Hominem

>>723230548
The reading comprehension on this guy is abysmal.

>>723206436 (OP)
should I buy this guys?
I only have a switch 1 haha

>no, you see, it's actually a good thing that the game looks cheap as fuck
>because this means that nintendo can make more money by forcing people to pay full price for it, maybe even add some DLCs later for double dipping

>>723212663
No, but it's a better game than pokeymans

>>723230548
Pretty sure he's saying some porn vn isn't going to have any real animations or graphics because they're almost entirely 2d stills and textboxes.

>>723227801
>>nintendo releases barely any games for the switch 2
Well yeah the system just launched this year, itll be stupid to expect any system to suddenly have millions of games right out the gate.
>all eyes are on Nintendo and by extension Pokemon because they kicked off their console with 2 games and a disability simulator
With Sony floundering the way it is, of course All eyes are on Nintendo. Its always been this way. They are the only one making video games worthwhile and now with people desperately trying to copy what they do.

>>723231130
And that's the real issue here.
You can't criticise Nintendo for doing that if they're spending so little and making so much that they don't have to add microtransactions to their games.

>>723231193
No one said porn VNs, you're quite literally making shit up

>the games would be better if they had more budget to spend on Indians and do nothing woman employees like CoD
lol?

>>723230042
>L Z-A
>good game
>clunky as shit, repetitive combat with input lag up the ass
>having to constantly toggle the command button while battling to reposition properly, because of that your pokemon constantly have to enter and re-enter their battle state, meaning it has to reposition itself first before attacking, easily circumnavigated if target/lock on is toggled instead of hold
>no jumping for whatever reason, but you're forced to cross gaps with the dodge roll
>random giant rocks and sludge in the middle of the city because GameFreak is so lazy to make up new assets that fits with the setting
>catching is less smooth than Arceus
>progression is gated behind fighting multiple trainers in night battle zone
I disagree with your take that the game is good, to me, the game is worse than Arceus. The seamless Lumiose city is kinda cool at first, but because everything looks the same, it doesn't have much unique/memorable locales apart from the tower.

>>723231243
I mean, you can criticise them, but at least it's understandable they're min-maxing the money making but giga milking their drones.

>>723231319
Or maybe don't hire "indians" and "do nothing women employees", and hire actual competent people.

>>723231554
>if the kitchen has more chefs the food will be even better

>>723231554
Why would you need a huge budget with actually competent people??
As long as you don't make something as big as gta 5/rdr2

>>723231554
Why would you do that when that semen slurper will buy it anyway?

>>723231481
>they're min-maxing the money making but giga milking their drones.
That's the thing anon, they aren't.
Ever since the switch released all of their DLC has been released in 20 or 30 passes or just for free. Any other developer in their position would have have hundreds of different dlcs and had an MTX shop by now. Just look at what happened with DB Xenoverse 2 after that sold 10M.
They're STILL making dlc for it and added a game mode reliant on TP medals for units.

>>723231747
They are because the microtransactions are on their other, mobile games.
They ARE min-maxing because they're making super cheap products, farming MTX from the live-service ones, and asking for full price both for game and DLCs on said cheap product for their non-live service games.
Min-max isn't adding everything to only one source like you think it is.

>>723227851
if they took 12 years between pokemon games then pokemon would be dead in the water like most other franchises

>>723231868
>They are because the microtransactions are on their other, mobile games.
Anon, their mobile games are dead for the most part. That venture was practically killed the moment the deal iwata made ran out which is why the only series on mobile thats really getting any kind of support is fire emblem.

>>723231868
>Min-max isn't adding everything to only one source like you think it is.
Problem is Nintendo only really has one source and that's their console games.
Those free to start games died with Iwata, mobile games have slowed down and their console games haven't had MTX since iwata was alive.

>>723231954
Doesn't pokemon GO make like half a billion every year??? What are you talking about

>>723232041
Anon, Pokemon Go isn't a Nintendo game. They had to say that explicitly when their stock prices rose because of it.

>>723231130
Yes I'd much rather have games made on smaller budget than 700 million spend on mid garbage that nobody cares about as soon as the next Shootymans game comes around

These retarded AAA budgets are precisely what makes every game as boring and safe as possible because they can't risk sinking so much money into something that can't guarantee returns

>>723232084
????
The question is the FINAL product anon.
Cheap or expensive means nothing is the final product is still
>boring and safe as possible
while both cost $70

As a consumer you're getting fucked the same way, the only difference is that they studio spending 700 million can (and probably will) shut down sooner than the 20 million one, but you yourself are getting nothing out of this. Nothing.

>>723232195
As a consumer you're getting more out of the lower budget one since they aren't fleecing you more to get that money back.
Remember, the game with a higher budget is going to cut content for DLC and have a ton of features tied to microtransactions so it's less 70 v 70 and more 70 vs 150. Or rather in this case 60 v 150.