Thread 723206493

Spikeout manages to create a deep and extremely repayable combat system without the usual modern design crutches of parries, i-frame dodges, and of course, progression systems. Instead, the progression of Spikeout is contained within the level and enemy design, which ultimately feels more meaningful. It answers the question, "What happens at the end of the progression system?" perfectly. One of the big answers is the game's emphasis on natural spacing and hitbox interaction, and another is insisting that the player understand the principal of frame advantage, in a very similar manner as Nitaku in Virtua Fighter.

Thanks Mork.

>>723206493 (OP)
you will never be a woman

This game is simultaneously awesome and fucking bullshit. The bosses getting i-frames when they do their attacks and them being able to spam them back to back is so nonsense.

This the thread?

did they rerelease spikeout? theres another thead and two threads is too much for an old niche game like spikreout

Played xbox version. Games controls handle like shit and feel like something from the previous generation. Sorta like a worse Shenmue if you can believe it. Felt like a quarter muncher too.

>>723207848
Hi Morky Schizo!

>>723206493 (OP)
how the fuck is he still complaining about the depth of the remake Guy Savage minigame

>>723206493 (OP)
Cracking up at Yakuza Pirates catching strays for shitty combat

>>723206493 (OP)
#AD

oh boy 5 minute's in and he decides to go another 10 minutes tangent on why game jurnos and ign are bad and don't get retro games its fucking annoying to see him bitch about this and repeat the same points about them in nearly every video he makes

I hate that no one called this guy out in his Silksong video for basically telling people to engage with the metroidvania parts as little as possible to the point that you could just skip Act 3 entirely

>>723206493 (OP)
ITS NOT NITAKU BECAUSE AI ISNT HUMAN

>>723206493 (OP)
Where's his ng4 is a insult to itagaki video?

>>723206493 (OP)
At least this game is actually good this time, unlike when he was fucking glazing Final Fight as better than most modern action games because youcan do shitty punch loops that can fail because an enemy spawns 1mm below his usual spot

>>723208621
His MGS3 review was pure clown shit, he talks about it like this deep mechanical construct when no one cares about it like that, we certainly never cared about inertia for fucks sake

>>723206493 (OP)
buy an ad

>>723211595
cant think of an opinion i want to hear on spikeout less than matt's

Mark needs to cut shit down. Maybe he needs to get a job back so he doesn't have to pad out his videos wirh filler. Which is absurd, since his ugly mug hates filler in games.

Mark won and will bury Crinja Gayden 4

>>723206493 (OP)
>no progression
how is that a good thing?
could've worded it better

This game sounds amazing and now I can't even fucking play it, thanks Mark you DICK

>>723211857
he defended NG2B though

Well its not like there are other good 3d bmups

>>723212116
Lack of progression systems puts pressure on the player to learn and fully utilize the systems rather than accumulating power via number big. Progression isn't inherently bad, but it is very often badly implemented in action games.

>>723206493 (OP)
Ign was right
This game sucks cock
Godhand is a Dogshit game to

>>723212484
Model 3 emulation is much more mature than model 1 or 2. It even has a GUI now.

>>723212637
yeah, that's kind of what I meant, progression is good, but "forced" progression is usually bad

>>723212657
Going to see how it plays with Steam Deck then

Not going to listen to the guy who thinks RE5 is better than RE4R because the inventory system is like an action game

Holy shit. I sold this game for $150 when i lost my job last year. Now its $400? At least i ripped it to two xbox hard drives. Did some jewtuber drive up the price?

Frame advantage against CPU is stupid
Nitaku or just the idea of putting your opponent in 50/50 situation work in fighting games because you're actually reading off your fellow human being.

Putting CPU in guessing scenarios for one it's just a lie. But besides that it's not nearly as satisfying as putting an actual living breathing person. That's why no one treats arcade mode in fighting games as anything more than novelty

>>723212637
Call that "RPG power creep" or something like that. Progression is too broad of a word. Moving on to the next stage in a videogame is a type of progression.

>>723213336
I guess, I think that's intentional because the difficulty curve of the level progression is hand in glove with the power curve of the player character. What happens with lazy rpg lite progression is that what you would start with in the action game is locked behind a level, so the beginning of the game's levels/enemies is way easier than it needs to be, to the point where it doesn't really get fun (or cool) until you're too close to the end. Someone could try to merge the best of both worlds, but it doesn't usually happen.

>>723213597
This is why I argue Hades is shit even if I am ass at the game, mostp eople only succeeded in that game thank's to Nyx's mirror

>>723212116
Progression is actually shit and cringe.
>errrmmm but if you define it this way
Yeah yeah whatever "dude don't you see ending the game makes it loop" I fucking hate you people.

>>723213687
Theres something to the roguelite thing they do, Ive played a handful and they can be good in different ways. I just find it inferior to traditional progression because they always make fewer levels in total, where in return you tend to replay those levels way more than you would in a normal game.

>>723206493 (OP)
I can never remember what nitaku means or why it's good

>>723212637
My issue is that spikeout also has zero difficulty progression until like the very last area of the final level, and even then it goes from balls to the wall difficult to actual, genuine "ok you're done playing" levels of punishment. The game expects you to intricately know every mechanic right from the get go.

Spikeout and most other beat em ups fall into the trap of requiring a very tedious playstyle in order to succeed

>>723206493 (OP)
I blocked his channel after the absolute disgrace, paid advertisement review for last month's FOTM slop.

I played it a few years ago. Got to the first boss, died, then it put me back to the very start if the level. Turned it off there and then. Arcade design is so tedious because you know that's all yiu be doing all game. I don't agree with "gameplay density" at all.

>>723215579
>the game is bad because it has checkpoints
lol faggot