Thread 723207236

Good recommendation, random Anon whom I'll never meet. Although the ending has left me dead inside

It's one of the few respectable vidya stories.

>>723207526
Indeed, shame most will never experience it because its a pain in the ass to get through. Should probably get a mini-series adaptation or something.

>>723207236 (OP)
>Although the ending has left me dead inside
Why? He got to live with the other nutters for eternity on a computer chip drifting through the galaxy
Or at least a facsimile did

>>723207927
Not the MC version though.

>>723208040
It's a coin flip, what can I say

>>723207236 (OP)
I played it very recently too because mandalore did a video on it and I wanted to watch it but didn't wanna be spoiled on the game because I head good things about it

>>723207893
Wouldn't be nearly as effective if it's not a first person interactive medium.

>>723209120
Nice, I just followed the IGN guide like a fag becauseI was just interested in the story. Honestly the puzzles would have made me drop it.

>>723209189
Really? The puzzles were all pretty easy, the only one I got stuck on for a bit was the simulation one.

>>723207893
>because its a pain in the ass to get through.
oh no you have to play it
what a shitshow

It's a walking sim tho and easy as fuck

>>723209189
I played on the easy mode because I'm an adult man who gets spooked by pixels on a screen. I didn't get to experience it, but I heard people say Jin Yoshida was really annoying on normal mode.

>>723209240
Idk, i just hate games where you run around trying to find out what to do only to realize you past the right door 15 times. I'm a pretty shit gamer

>"twist" and "horror" depend on the player not understanding / not thinking about things explicitly explained to them
fell kind of flat in that aspect

>>723209387
>Jin Yoshida
Is that the guy in the diving suit? I barely remember him because my interaction with him was so brief.

>>723209460
the true horror was reading threads about the game afterward and seeing how many Simons exist irl

>>723209475
I believe so. He was in Tau, near the end of the game.

>>723209460
The horror very much depends on the player thinking about things. The twist is only really a twist for the protagonist and not the player because Jarrett is retarded.

>>723209387
Yeah, I was struggling even though the guide clearly stated, “The main objective is down the hall to the left from the first intersection, which is north if you're looking at the map of this area.”

These games are ridiculously easy with guides, you realize how much they rely on being intentionally confusing.

My favorite part of the story is the retardation that is the "coin flip" and then I remembered the protagonist is literally brain damaged retarded which is why he makes up such a dumb cope in the first place

>>723209570
>oh no I will have to le exert myself and put myself in harms way to benefit others
>i must traverse a hostile environment to give some kind of future to others, even if that future is uncertain
>oh the le horror I won't be around to enjoy the fruits of my labor, I must take solace in the fact that I did a good thing for others
this is just being a normal adult dude but spicy

>>723208110
it's not a coin flip
if a clone is made of you in another location then that will never possibly be you

>>723209943
Just kill yourself and your consciousness transfers over bro

>>723210020
does that work with indentical twins too?

Probably a better ending to humanity than what is actually going to happen at least.

>>723207236 (OP)
I refuse to play this game.
>>723209563
100%

>>723210236
Why?

>>723210269
The premise scares me.

>>723207526
No it isn't, it's a story written by someone who thinks their audience is too retarded to pick up on simple themes, and smashes them over the head with it explaining what's going on in detail instead of letting the actions speak for themselves. The main complaint I hear about this game is how stupid the MC is, and the MC is written to be stupid because the writers thought their audience would be too stupid to understand the plot and so they had to spell everything out for you. It's got really cool concepts, but the writing is genuinely terrible.
>>723207893
They had a great marketing campaign leading up to the actual announcement and release of the game with some live action SCP style interview videos, sadly the story unironically peaked with those.
>>723209783
>did a good thing for others
amazing, you actually are as stupid as the protagonist. The issue wasn't doing something selfless for other people, the issue was whether a bunch of computer circuits containing physically impotent conciousness's could count as "people".

>>723210885
>you're so dumb for not struggling with [fake philosophical question with a 100% obvious answer]
I kneel

I'm so smart

>>723210885
Why do you and this reddit fag have such a hard time accepting that a game can use philosophical elements to tell a good story without having to revolutionize the concept

>metal clanking when walking
>obvious as fuck metal body and limbs
>cant smell
>cant feel
>hue hue am not robot

>>723211232
The MC is in a flesh suit though

The worst part about the story is they present you with technology that has stored simulations of real people, still functioning technology that can make seemingly infinite shit, including physical bodies to move a contained conciousness and instead of giving you the logical option of trying to intentionally meld the two so as to rebuild humanity from "brain in jar" tech, they tell you to shut off the only piece of tech that gives a chance of salvaging the situation, and jettisoning the other brainscans into deepspace where they'll burn out eventually or impact with a rock.
>>723211210
because they wrote the fucking answer to the situation of using the wau to give all the brainscans bodies and decided to the absolute dumbest fucking thing instead. It didn't have to revolutionize anything, it had to tell a good story that didnt' have gaping logic holes and treat the player like a lobotomized retard. It's only half brains like you that actualy enjoy this shit

>>723211563
the MC, yeah

>>723207236 (OP)
The ending should have been a 50/50 shot between waking up in the space probe simulation and being stuck under the sea in the dark for eternity.

>>723211567
The WAU is uncontrollable and extremely unpredictable. You have no way of knowing if giving it access to the brain scans would result in it making more Simons or if it's going to do something that will torment them for eternity instead because it thinks it's the correct course of action.
And if you wanna leave that gamble on the table you don't have to destroy it.

>>723211732
the coin toss is bullshit

I don't understand how the "twist" is supposed to be a "twist" when they explicitly say in like the first 30 minutes that it's a copy and not a transfer.

>>723211567
>Just trust the AI making people go insane with its failed life preservation experiments
Wow dumb people really do think they are smart

>>723207927
Seeing that satellite drifting away into darkness with the somber music made me sad

>>723209563
Reminds me of the whole “internal dialog” debacle

>>723210885
>the issue was whether a bunch of computer circuits containing physically impotent conciousness's could count as "people".
they don't, and the only moral thing to do would be to destroy the computer rather than allow such abominable simulacras to continue to exist. never mind the horror of actually being one, trapped forever inside a computer hurtling through the stars until some random component breaks with no ability to even interact with the world to do anything about it. truly horrible stuff, if something like that were ever invented in reality the people responsible should be shot

>>723211732
The sad reality is that's not how it works.

>>723210885
The twist in this story is that you're the stupid one

>>723210885
>it's a story written by someone who thinks their audience is retarded
is this incorrect?

>>723211232
They don't see that just like Simon saw his human hands at first

What other stories from other video games stay with you after beating it?

>>723212372
>after beating it
Leisure Suit Larry: Wet Dreams Don't Dry

>>723211907
It's not a twist, mouth breathers think it is and think they are smart for noticing it

If had some action like guns n shit it would've been good, like a systemshock-like

>>723207236 (OP)
They shouldn't have shown the second, happy ending. We could already infer that it happened and it kills the bleak, depressing tone of the game.

>>723212705
I for one am glad that it ends on a hopeful note.

>>723207236 (OP)
it's a good game but ending was obvious for anyone with half a brain.
At least I thought so, then I realized half a brain is too much to expect from majority of people.

>>723209120
Same. Simon is a dummy, but he does have brain damage so it makes sense that he's stupid.
I've got some questions that I don't really have answers to though. Why did the WAU put Simon in the corpse suit to begin with? And, similar question, who put Catherine in her host body? Was the WAU just throwing scans out into bodies?

>>723214021
>Was the WAU just throwing scans out into bodies?
Yeah, probably. It seems quite confused as to what it's doing

>>723212372
Trails in the Sky and Golden Sun

>>723212372
Outer Wilds, kinda.

Would you even want to live on the ark project knowing you're going to die? Seems kind of pointless. Feels like it could be its own quasi-sequel to the game about a guy who's consciousness is trapped in a virtual reality

>>723214374
You'll live many times longer than you would have if you were a person. And you have Catherine. Worth it for that alone.

>>723214374
Why do you continue to live now knowing that you're going to die

>>723214374
you're gonna die no matter what, that's no different to real life. at least on the Arc you can live in paradise for potentially thousands of years

>>723214021
The WAU created Simon II for two reasons
>it is experimenting with putting brain scans into any robot it can in an attempt to create life
>it needs the reactors in Upsilon that the human survivors shut down to be brought back online

>>723214094
Yeah, that's why I kinda regret poisoning WAU. There certainly is the chance that the WAU doing it's random bullshit could create some form of humanity that at least has it's existence based moreso in the physical world that being mind-scans on a satellite, but like mentioned before, it seems to drive most people crazy and/or just completely fuck up any future prospects survivors had in favor of "stabilizing" them. Simon and Catherine being sane seem to be exceptions to it's machinations.
On the flip side, killing the WAU probably saves all the non-human life that it appeared to be devouring to get more mass for... whatever it was doing. The slim chance of spitting out the occasional human meat-puppet or scanner researcher at the expense of all other biological life (that's recovered from disasters like comets before) seems a bit of a gamble.

>>723207236 (OP)
WAU deserved to live. Morality doesn't apply when everyone is dead or nearly there
Johan Ross is a schizo faggot who deserve to be turned into soup

>>723214558
I forgot about the Upsilon reactors.
I had an idea floating around in my head that maybe the WAU just thought Simon.exe was a fellow artificial being, since Simon was used as the template for so many AIs.

>>723214630
Counterpoint, the WAU makes scary monsters and I don't like scary monsters. The WAU must die.

>>723214437
>>723214478
There are many more possibilities in my life then on the Ark. Theoretically (probably not) we might hit “longevity escape velocity in my lifetime. Ark is essentially, being stuck on the same server for thousands of years.

>>723214649
It's interesting to think of the Simon scan from the perspective of something like that part where you keep running simulations of Brandon Wan to trick him by pretending to be his trusted loved one in order to extract information from him.
Think of the trillion times through the years that Simon was simulated and tortured to death. Holy shit.
He probably also got to bang Hatsune Miku though so pros and cons.

>>723214374
why are you posting right now knowing you are going to die?

>>723214807
Because heaven might be real.I might have a divine purpose

>>723214759
Didn't they say that his scan was too primitive to have consciousness since it's so old, and the one we play only has one because of WAU fuckery?

Would you?

>>723214837
They say it is more rudimentary than the ones that they can make as of the present, but I don't recall anything about the WAU upgrading it to consciousness. Catherine doesn't seem concerned about the new copy working after the switch to Simon III.

>>723214901
concept art version, no.
in-game version, hell yes.

>>723214974
Cath says she had to basically invent the consciousness thing for her project, and she got the inspiration for it from a WAU invention. If brain scans always behaved like people the WAU making something that could simulate a conscious person wouldn't be that significant.
And Simon III works because it's copying the "upgraded" Simon II, not the base Simon I

>be me
>don't play spooky games
>encounter the first enemy
>"oh thank God, it's just a fucked up robot, not some kind of scary flesh demon"
>get attacked by a Scooby Doo ghost diver
>that was spookier but at least it's not a scary flesh demon
>get to Theta
>attacked by scary flesh demon

>>723215123
Knowing the monstsrs are just 3d models programmed by some game designer pretty much takes me out of every horror game

Black flesh goop is the future clankers want.

>>723215242
I don't know how you can enjoy any video game less abstract than tetris with that attitude.

>>723214759
The Brandon bit really irked me because Simon and Catherine go through so many iterations where they just delete the simulation to start it up again but the very last one features Catherine just going, "btw I'm not your girlfriend, k bye," instead of just cutting the simulation off right when she gets the encryption key.
And then hands off the responsibility of deleting Brandon to Simon. What the fuck?
Also, even with WAU's rampart growth, I don't think it'd be able to just run trillions of Simon simulations. That's a fuckin' lot. And why would WAU torture him? The one time Simon got plugged in by the WAU Simon got put into a dream state where his deceased girlfriend was alive.

>thought it was a puddle deep walking sim trying to be 2deep4u
>Find out that the majority of retards online are praising it
Was honestly a real whiplash like >>723209563 said and just makes me depressed whenever I think about this game.

>>723209563
There's an entire country of them, it's called Canada.

But it's just the Star Trek transporter paradox.

>>723215414
Canada isn't real. The Eternal Leaf is a made up creature to scare children.

>>723215509
that's not a paradox

>>723215535
It's called a paradox, you semantic faggot. It's a naming convention, shithead.

>>723215509
It would be if the guy who sat down for a brain scan vanished. He doesn't tho. He has a computer file made of himself.

>>723215634
Except all the times in the game the person is cloned and then dies or is killed. Which is the entire fucking point of the Transporter Paradox.

Pedants out in full force.

>>723212372
Echo (2017), Cryostasis, Returnal come to mind
Good stories in games are few and far between and it's not necessarily bad thing. Ico has a very simple "story", its the atmosphere and art that carries it, same with Mirror's Edge, Metro 2033, other things I like

>>723215347
Catherine is a stupid bitch to present to the player the conundrum of "how much of a stupid psychopathic bitch would you put up with if she was your only possible companion left for the rest of your life".

>>723215865
woman moment

>>723215757
There are zero times in the game where it is not apparent what entity is the scanned person and which is the resultant copy. You can go back and kill the previous iteration of Simon, but it's fully apparent that you are playing as the new copy. The Star Trek comparison has the original vanish and asks if the teleported person is truly the original or if they are a new copy with identical memories and whether or not there is a philosophical difference. But if the first dude was left standing in the teleporter, there would be no question of who is what.

>>723215627
Its not a paradox its just an argument over the question of the soul and the exact nature of how trek transporters function. If they are just effectively dual direction replicators then they are suicide machines

>>723214374
The entire Ark was just a cope that they became far too committed to.

>>723215242
This is the most pretentious shit i've heard

>>723215865
She's a perfect butterfly stfu

I wish Simon had been a silent protagonist because the last minutes before credits I remember saying in person after seeing the scans uploaded just in time to the ARK and noticing in that split second that Simon was still in the chair was, "Go get 'em."
And then Simon just had to open his stupid mouth and say dumb shit.

>>723207236 (OP)
Isn't it just about a boomer not knowing how ctrl+X works?

>>723214021
the WAU's only goal was to keep humans alive. When that became impossible it started trying to maximize humanity by cobbling together anything which might remotely qualify as human

>>723207236 (OP)
Well look at the bright side, there's some home. When Simon's battery runs out, he doesn't really die. He just goes to sleep. There's no knowing if he'll wake up yet again in a million years if some new race or alien visitors discovers his cortex chip protected in all the structure gel in his body. If he really wanted, maybe he could figure something out. He can climb the orbital space gun to get closer to the surface and atleast enjoy a view, or he can try to use some of his structure gen to repair his omnitool and find a way to return to one of the prior sites.

>>723215865
She just seems inconsistently written. Like, Simon is at least a consistent dumbass. But when he suggests to Catherine that they're following in her footsteps and she could still technically be put there she says it weirds here out.
And this is AFTER you had to decide to leave Simon-II strapped to a chair to wake up to a locked door with a monster behind it or death by crushing water pressure or just mercy kill him in his sleep.

>>723215627
this is why we need more semantic faggots
a paradox is some circular and contradictory scenario without a definite solution like that shitty "25% or 50%" perennial baitpost, not just any philosophical quandary

>>723216383
Catherine is turbo autismo

>>723216383
PDA Catherine is only alive for like 5 minutes over the course of the whole game. she doesn't have time to actually think about anything

>>723215865
Yep, I've seen so many people praising her. Simon may have been a retard, but Catherine was an unlikable turbo autist that was just as delusional as Simon in her own way. It's no wonder what happened to her.

>>723216491
She's also autistic and fixated on getting the Ark launched.

>>723215242
Life is just 3D models made by some simulation designer alien

>>723216358
I hadn't considered the possibilty of "slowboating" up the gun rails. How much power is in that little powerpack though? Even if he did make it to the surface, could he find something to recharge it? I dunno what kind of view there'd be to enjoy though, probably still too much ash for that.
Banking hope on future alien archaeologists is a bit of a stretch, especially at the bottom of the ocean. Maybe climbing the gun and running out of power up top is actually a good idea... until that sinks too.
I still think the most hopeful scenario is the WAU just gets it's shit together (provided it's still alive). Risk to sea-life aside, it seemed to be congregating around some of the thermal vents at the ocean floor, so there's some aspect of it that's seeking alternative power generation.

Couldn't they have set up the transfer to be bit-by-bit? Like, it deletes the data that gets transfered in chunks so it feels more like a sensation of transferring over during the connection? That way there's a continuous conscience between the source and destination throughout the process and all thats left behind is an empty chip.

>>723216491
That's true, easy to forget from a player perspective.
With some of the platitudes she gives to Simon's philosophical musings, I also started thinking at one point she might just be a chat bot that the WAU cooked up , but that seemed like a stupid conclusion later on.

>>723216671
Why would they do that? It's not like the brain scan system was meant to be used to create robot avatars. The human robots on Pathos II are jury rigged abominations set up by a lunatic AI.

>>723210885
>The main complaint I hear about this game is how stupid the MC is, and the MC is written to be stupid because the writers thought their audience would be too stupid to understand the plot and so they had to spell everything out for you.

The MC is quite literally a brain damage retard, they specifically tell you that his scan was used as a foundation but is incredibly outdated. Good job missing one of the key points of the game

>>723216358
>He can climb the orbital space gun to get closer to the surface and atleast enjoy a view
Yep, that's what I would have at least tried in his position

The first talos principle is also very good.

>>723216667
There's an argument for the WAU. I guess then it depends on if the WAU ate Simon's hand or not. (Shouldn't that have caused his suit to implode from water pressure?).

There's a short story in the game files about one of the crewmembers climbing the space gun actually. Says it took like 4 hours iirc. They died at the surface, but not immediately. I it confirms that the surface is unlivable though.

Simon is filled with structure gel. I have to imagine There's a way he could use it to find some way to recharge his battery. That or atleast recharge his omnitool then leave and try to find WAU and hope it can save his ass. I will be honest, I don't know why Ross wanted to hill him, or what he meant about him being immune.

>>723207236 (OP)
>Literally everyone 10 years ago
This game is shit
>Now
It's a great game!
The state of modern horror (and video games in general) is so fucking trash that garbage is seen as gems.

I liked the game, but like most things, it is not good to pry too much into details.
There were living humans with access to fantastic technologies, and instead of either they or the WAU simply attempting to clone themselves and stabilize the outpost, the story presented cyborg horrors and elaborate forms of suicide.

>>723207236 (OP)
But we have met...

>>723216851
I figured he was locked to the chair and Catherine broke before she could undo the clamps.

So is Hotel Samsara gonna be tied to the SOMA-verse at all? I just think it's interesting they picked SOMA of all games with all of its theming on what constitutes the self and the idea of reincarnating/making the jump/coinflip (lol)/etc.

>>723217014
No, there's actually an extended version of the ending where Simon gets out of the seat, gets his omnitool and goes back into the rest of the base to find that everything has been shut down. It seems like there's still some lights on though.

This ending is disabled but you can change some things to enable it again, but nothing interesting happens in it. The most interesting thing is that its described in the game's script

>>723210885
>it's a story written by someone who thinks their audience is too retarded to pick up on simple themes

typical cinemasins nigger, why would a book store owner from Toronto care about the ethics of mind body swapping and star trek teleportation philosophy, he's dumb because nobody gives a fuck about those things at all except chuddies who get a thrill poking holes in plots.

>Their entire brainscan tech was based and built on the legacy scan of a brain damaged canadian
Scariest shit I've ever seen

>>723216903
Structure gel probably helped with preventing pressure implosions. I dunno.

There are short stories in the game files? That's neat.

Ross threw me for a loop too, him wanting to kill Simon that is.
Maybe Simon's immunity has to do with him being so dumb he is immune to mind control by the WAU and that's why he could break free after getting plugged into the fleshwall. I'll be honest even after recently playing the game I don't remember when Ross said Simon was immune to anything or what he was immune to

>>723217212
>Catherine, you dumb bitch! What are you tookin' aboot? Why urn't we oon the ARK root noow?

>>723216973
The funniest part is that it's retarded math what convinces several stations worth of scientists to just kill themselves.

>>723217212
Munchi himself, the co-owner of the company, and a random japanese woman were scanned before Simon.

>>723216973
Fucking this
They had brainscan tech for like 90 years and all they made with it it a vr for robot control

>>723216671
The pilot seat is still a brain scan machine, on a normal device it's like streaming your conciousness, you're still in the chair and tiny pieces of your mind get sent to the machine to move it. When that thing is Simon-3 the brain scan is sent to the wau goop and stays there. The pilot tech wasn't built for cut and paste.

>>723217424
Were they? I don't remember the exact dates when Simon-II finds those scans on the terminal. Just that Simon's was on the bottom and that usually those were the earliest dates in email chains or audio logs when they were presented.

It sucks that the actual plot is the worst part of the game
I'd rather have like an anthology of the WAU trying to save humanity, or the dude that ate the goop and started worshipping it, or how the retard scientist convinced everyone to kill themselves, you know, the interesting shit. Not how a retard that sees and is told how the scanning process works 3 times throughout the game still can't understand how it works.

>>723216973
There are some fantastical elements like magic black goo, but brain scan simulations are 100% possible and not science fiction, albeit entirely theoretical. Existing in theory only doesn't mean it's not possible. Round world was a theory and so is evolutionary theory.

>>723217229
I can't remember his wording. Said he needed to kill Simon to.prevent the WAU from adapting to the poison by using Simon's immunity or something that I don't remember ever being explained.It's not actually known if Ross dies though but it's kinda safe to assume

>>723217483
True true, but I just mean like, hat method in general seems to remedy some of the conundrum that the whole game presents. For humans yes, but if your brain already is a cortex chip, then seems like the whole dilemna is arbitrary since you can scan in a way that creates a continuous connection during the process. If they had a other set of hands, they coulda maybe found some way to physically connect their cortex chips into the Ark too, right? Am I overthinking it or just wrong?

>>723207236 (OP)
>walking sim with the most obvious twist/shallow baseline """philosophy"""
>GOTYAY
I respect Soma for being a great dimwit red flag, as soon as someone praises it, you can safely dismiss everything that person is saying

>>723209120
Great, another game we can't talk about ever again.

Alright bros, how many Catherines are on the Ark? Obviously the copy of the one who traveled with Simon is there, since we see her at the end of the game. But did she overwrite the Catherine that was originally set to go up with the Ark (and does that mean she... murdered her?) or are there now two Catherines on the Ark, one with more memories than the other?

>>723217739
Doesn't make full sense to me. How would a brain scan behave like a human? A brain has all sorts of chemical responses and those are tied to sensations like fear, etc. Are those organic chemical brain responses emulated by the chip? Is Simon feeling them through the cadaver body he's in?

>>723217905
>how many Catherines are on the Ark
One for each and every non Catherine member aboard the Ark

I love games about having to let go and accept death. They tend to be the best stories.

>>723217816
You'd need AI Catherine able to move and work for something like that happening, they could have swapped Simon-2's chip with her chip after Simon-3 wakes up, the ark was some fun project before the asteroid fucked everything, and before that nobody even knew a corpse full of goo hooked to a chip would even be possible.

>>723217956
It just works. Simon questions some of that and Catherine tells him that his brain is processing the information for him and bridging gaps so that he doesn't go insane.

>>723217956
He did delude himself into having normal human hands before meeting Catherine. If you assume the ark is also simulating their body the scans can feel.

>>723218031
>they could have swapped Simon-2's chip with her chip after Simon-3 wakes up
Fellas
Would it be gay to have sex with your old body which wasn't your old body now handled by a chick

you lost the coin toss

>>723218031
Wait. Why didn't they just take Simon-II's chip with them when they left? Is there a reason?

>>723218120
Why would they want to?

>>723218112
The corpses that Simon 2 and 3 use are female anyway.

>>723217872
who's stopping you?

>>723218112
It was already a chick's body too. Then again, Simon III's also has a female body as well.

>>723218148
It's gay when two women have seggs too

>>723217637
Playing the game made me think that maybe a movie or tv series if all the events Simon stumbles across (while also filling in the blanks) could be a fun watch.
Mostly because I kinda have trouble stitching all the timelines and characters together in my head and would like to see everything in proper order.

>>723207236 (OP)
Did you win the coin toss OP?

>>723218135
To have a backup I guess. He coulda plugged it into his omnitool after Catherine fizzled herself and been like "yo can you get this base running?"

They made the assumption they wouldn't need it, or wouldn't come across another powers until and body down below. At the very least, better than just leaving him to rot or be stuck.

>>723218241
Kinda made me feel more books could have been interactive story games like this

>>723218241
You may enjoy the YouTube videos that they released as a prequel to the game. They're not exactly the stuff that Simon sees, but you see the crew doing day to day stuff and start to see things start going wrong.

>>723218112
It's necrophilia.

>>723214374
No, I like the certainty of death.

>>723212705
No they did right showing it. If it ended after the credits people would be disappointed by the ending. Plus, the last scene of the earth burning and the ark floating away into nothingness is brings back the bleak, depressing tone. It's a rollercoaster of emotions.

>>723218120
>Tharr can be on'ly OOOOONNNNEEEE!!
That's a good point and I feel stupid for not thinking of it myself.

Was there only one power suit? If not, Simon could have transferred to one, then put his clone in one too, and there would have been two of them capable of going below. Maybe Catherine didn't want that as maybe they would talk to each other and figure out what was going on.

>>723218328
What books?
>>723218351
Will look at that, thanks.

>>723217979
Same bro, same.
Although I can't remember any other besides SOMA right now.

>>723218507
I dunno. I think Shutter Island would've been a good point and click adventure

>>723217979
A hat in time

>>723218490
Yeah there was only one power suit. And the only other one they found later was occupied. Dunno how feasible it would be to evict said occupant and put Simon-II's cortex chip in.
And what would the two of them even figure out? If anything, that'd cause even more problems since they're be two Simons that'd be pissed they didn't get on the ARK. Or they'd fight about about which one should be uploaded.

>>723218370
Simon 3 is dead too, it cancels out

>>723218623
Ah, but they are positively dead! There are no negatives to cancel out.

It'd be hillarious if the Samsara shit is within the ark
But I guess a hotel horror game right before an asteroid kills everyone in the planet is more interesting

>>723216926
Its been highly rated since 2015 what are you talking about

New leaked gameplay from their next game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_OsSvJohVg

>>723217861
You're the dimwit for thinking there was a twist

What does SOMA mean anyway?

Who first mentioned a coin toss? Was it Simon and Catherine just went with it? I can't remember.

>>723207236 (OP)
>Although the ending has left me dead inside
out of curiosity, can you elaborate?
I really like how many different interpretations come from this, also, its funny when people are as retarded as the protagonist was.

>>723219506
Soma is the Greek word for the body in contrast to the soul or mind.

>>723219518
>Was it Simon and Catherine just went with it?
Yes.

>>723219518
>you are a helpless brain on a chip, trapped in a cyborg abyssal hell and completely dependent upon verbally manipulating a retarded, delusional, and anachronistic Canadian to complete your elaborate suicide pact
Simon was the horror all along.

>>723207236 (OP)
Can't get it running, im on linux with a 9070XT but i think its not just a linux problem but a 9000 series gpu problem.
Anyone can help?

>>723207236 (OP)
I always thought the main character was a massive annoying idiot but now that I realize he actually had brain damage in lore it all makes sense. Perhaps I was a bit too hard on that literal retard.

>>723214374
>Would you even want to live on the ark project knowing you're going to die? Seems kind of pointless.
Why would you want to live our normal life? Seems kinda pointless.

>>723207236 (OP)
With Frictional devs stating that Amnesia the Bunker will be what influences future games was that also for Soma? does that mean Soma 2 will be more advanced underworld type interactivity SIM or just more like Amnesia the Bunker.

>>723214374
The longevity of consciousness on the ark seems to be at an ends to it's boxed in nature, disconnected from the universe but completely dependent on it, what really is the point, it seems completely selfish since all it is is consciousness continuing on but with no point other than being conscious. The Simon stuck in Pathos 2 was better off because he can actually change his destiny, sure he's borderline retarded and killed the smartest mind alive but with enough WAU cum he can maybe expand his mental capacity and start understanding the world around him and start producing solutions, although the WAU may end up doing that itself.

I did not even know there announced a new game. If it wasn't for this thread, I would be completely clueless.
I'm so hyped for whatever they are doing. I really never cared about Amnesia, but SOMA made me really like what these devs make.

I think I'll replay this, does it run well on modern systems? I remember it stuttered like hell on my old rig back in the day.

>>723220926
Works on my machine™

>>723220483
Are you stuck on the initial loading screen?

>>723209943
It's a coin flip when the copy is made. Because in that moment you don't know which one you are, as both remember being you.

So if you're about to do the brain scan, and now you know you'll stay the same guy, but in a moment you won't know and it will be 50/50, it kind of is a coin toss.

>>723212190
>truly horrible stuff, if something like that were ever invented in reality the people responsible should be shot
Holodeck people aren't real, anon. It's okay. They aren't actually suffering.

>>723221064
There is no over consciousness that may go one way or the other (which is how it's played in the game, leading to the illusion of a coin flip). There is no moment of uncertainty. There is never an element of chance, meaning there is no coin flip.

>>723221064
It's a coin toss where the random outcome doesn't matter because you stay in the body you are in.

>>723207236 (OP)
my neet friend made this game his entire personality then killed himself a few months later

>>723221263
filtered

>>723221219
>game literally betrays this and has you jump into the other body

I want Catherine gf

>>723221281
The game doesn't "betray" this at any point.

When you jump to other body it's because the game shows the pov of the copy in the new body, who remembers being you and from his pov, there was a transfer.

>>723221219
There's an element of chance when you just did the brain scan. Like when the guy goes for a brain scan, and it's done and they didn't lift that thing covering his vision, in that moment, it's more likely for him to be one of the copies than the original guy.

>>723221263
are you serious?

at least he had good taste and was high IQ. rip

>>723221392
There will never be a time that you sit down for the brain scan, that you will ever do anything else other than stand up upon the conclusion of the brain scan.
The copy will remember all of this as well, but it will never be anything but the copy. The copy doesn't even automatically upload into anything. It's a computer file. It only even resembles a coin flip because of our transfer of perspective, which is a gameplay experience, not something that happens in the game itself.

Reminder that the WAU was improving over time and killing it is obviously bad

>>723221326
We can all copy her so we all have a Catherine gf

>>723217872
I love Mandalore because he has a 100% consistent dogshit taste while being articulate. Everything he calls good is bad, and everything he calls bad is good.
He almost exclusively reviews dogshit games that I wouldn't stand actually playing, so his reviews are a way to learn what those games are about without having to suffer through them.

>>723220918
They haven't announced it yet, just a teaser after running an ARG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHnnvQQxaE

>>723221546
Name a game you like

>>723221392
>The game doesn't "betray" this at any point.
>here's how the game betrays this in detail
LLMs walk among us

>>723218543
I haven't played it, but isn't that what Cyberpunk 2077 is about?

>>723221573
I mean it is an announcement but I understand what you are saying. Anyway, looking forward to it.

>>723221586
Tomato Adventure

>>723221586
Half Life 2.
What now?

>>723207236 (OP)
Can the people on the Ark fall into depression?
Can they game over themselves, or are they forced to live with the depression for millions of years?

>>723221825
I imagine you can just retake that survey and choose the option to KYS

>>723221825
Simon III was having a deep existential crisis on the way down into the abyss so I imagine they could get pretty bummed. Whether or not they could successfully permanently kill their simulated consciousness inside a simulation satellite is harder to guess at.

>>723218543
Nine Sols

>>723221510

In the game, when you transfer over to another machine or "suit", when you are in the new one, you remember just playing on the old one.

Of course, this is because you were just playing the game when the character was in the previous body, as it's just a game and not real. However, it illustrates perfectly how it would feel like a transfer if it was real and from the copy's pov, it would feel like a transfer.

You know what will happen before you take the brain scan, but just after it's taken and before you know where you are, it is a coin toss.

>>723221529
high IQ

>>723221825
>Can they game over themselves
I imagine they'd have some form of stasis where a scan is just stored in memory and isn't loaded into the simulation
as good as death, but temporary and reversible

>>723221672

That's such a fucking stupid midwit take. I was just trying to discuss a game in good faith anyway.

I'd say calling anyone you disagree with an AI, despite an obvious understanding of what we're talking about even if I disagree with you, is on the same level of stupidity as the "grok is this real".

>>723221720
Cyberpunk 2077 is about using chinese cartoons to hypnotise idiots into thinking a bad game is actually good

>>723221672
also read
>>723222065

>>723222065
From the point of view of the copy, it would feel like a transfer, that's true. And that's why Simon comes to the conclusion that there is a coin flip.
But he's mistaken. He doesn't want to look too far beyond his felt experience to the reality of the copy paste process.

>>723209783
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit
we must be better men.

>also women lie to you and manipulate you into doing things you wouldnt do by exploiting your retardation
simon was basically raped, by the way.

>>723222154
It's a fine game.

>>723222392
It's only technically manipulation because Simon is too fucking retarded to understand what he's doing.

>>723222339
i know but, if you just took a brain scan and there's something covering your vision, it is a coin toss in that moment

for example imagine that you take the brain scan that simon takes in the beginning of the game. before they lift that thing off your head, you dont know if you're a copy.

>>723222392
He was asking for it by being retarded. They should have made him more scared so it would explain why he wasn't able to think more clearly about things. Instead they just went with "well he's a terminally brain damaged Canadian, what do you expect?"

>>723222490
his brain damage did not affect cognition, as per the game. he was living normally. he was just an average guy. average people are less intelligent than you'd think.

>>723222490
But he is quite literally retarded. As in the medical meaning of the word retarded.

>>723222065
There is no coin flip.
It's a narrative trick executed by relating the entire story from the perspective of Simon III before he even exists.

>>723207236 (OP)
I enjoyed SOMA but I do think it's highly overrated. The entire game I'm neither anger nor happy, just mid and once it's over I just open websites to find other games.
Also the story comes rather obvious around half way through so in the end I'm just like "well yeah, I saw this coming"

On another note, I do enjoy it's walking, puzzle, psychological horror *if you can even call it a horror. So it's just an okay game.

>>723222613
Catherine does say he's a stupid retard as she's shorting out from being so angry about his retardation.

>>723222445
yeah but its still manipulation, if I have a potato person drooling in the corner, I cant cover my cock in cream and say its a treat and not catch a criminal charge because my defence is "to be fair, shes retarded and didnt know better"
>>723222490
>They should have made him more scared so it would explain why he wasn't able to think more clearly about things. Instead they just went with "well he's a terminally brain damaged Canadian, what do you expect?"
Agreed massively. After the chair scene, and being left behind, that shouldve told him everything. I can believe he was retarded and didnt think about the implications of "transferring" once
but... twice? its too much and the cop out of "oh but, remember, brain damage!" like no the guy was clearly functional and cognisant the entire time, yes, hes dumb but fuck that was a hard pill to swallow.
Youre right, if he said that he was struggling with the idea of being left behind at least once in the end, then, the last dialogue was about that itd be fine

the whole NOOOOO WHY AM I STILL HERE WHAT THE FUUUUCK was just bad.
But alas, therefore he was raped mentally. She shouldve known she was dealing with a potato and explained it to him.

>>723222556
>average people are less intelligent than you'd think.
makes me happy to know im above average by just not being retarded, honestly.

>>723221064
>It's a coin flip when the copy is made. Because in that moment you don't know which one you are, as both remember being you.
yes in a sense, ones memories are copies, to them it was a coin flip yes.
>>723221064
>So if you're about to do the brain scan
NO, you fucking retard. because the one actively doing the scan in the here and now can never be the one waking up on the ark or whatever. the act of doing the scan guarantees you wont be the one who wins.

His brain damage didn't effect his cognitive ability, at least not notably. His "retardation" was moreso him being unable to cope and accept his situation than an actual inability to comprehend it. I sometimes forget how autistic people can get on this board, to not understand the root of emotional outbursts

>>723207236 (OP)
Why didn't he just use a coin with two heads?

>>723210224
>ai and automation age
>most people out of work
>governments wont pay for your life
>massive classism, rich-poor divide grows
>massive terrorism spike as people bomb and kill anyone supporting automation
>only one side will win in the end
grim times.

>>723221392
>everything up to that moment was just a memory
>don't jump into the next body
You're just making the portal btard argument.

>>723223440
Because he is retarded and didn't think about that

>>723223497
Automation will win in the end, It has been going that way for a long time. My hope is by the time everything starts kicking off I managed to jailbreak my robot to hold and fire guns.

This game gave me existential dread that no other form of media has ever given

>>723220687
It means more persistent nemesis type monsters that behave unpredictably. Like xeno from alien isolation

>>723221529
It wasnt. Nothing even hints that it was taking feedback into consideration. Other then stuffing copies into random constructs it could find

>>723223151
>NO, you fucking retard. because the one actively doing the scan in the here and now can never be the one waking up on the ark or whatever. the act of doing the scan guarantees you wont be the one who wins.
i mean THE MOMENT AFTER

>>723223745
The feeling of when Catherine screams and the terminal turns off is so good. I wish I could experience it again. Great voice actors.

>>723221825
Absolutely. In fact they are most likely candidates since they all are stuck in utopia where they cant influence anything. Struggle and a sense of purpose is what gives humans purpose

>>723222154
Cope, seethe and dilate

>>723221720
Yes. Inevitable mortality is the central theme for V journey

>>723221435
yeah he thought he'd be reborn in an isekai

>>723221263
>he won the coinflip
See you on the ark, faggots

>all that remains of humanity is a bunch of digital personalities stuck in VRChat, drifting into the unknown until their satellite inevitably fails, and possibly a bunch of retarded horrors at the bottom of the ocean
>this isn't even the case with humanity destroying itself like in most post-apo media, just a random comet snuffing us out
regardless of what you think about Simon's personal story, this is grim

>>723222556
>average people are less intelligent than you'd think.
This. Imagine someone of completely average intelligence, then remember 50% of the population is even dumber than that.

>>723224810
Don't worry, the WAU will eventually bring us back. We just need to have faith.

>>723224921
Or maybe it'll just shit the entire ocean with a bunch of endlessly suffering biomass.

>>723211923
Simon and Ross were successes tho, and several people hooked on WAU tendrils seem to be living in bliss.

>>723224960
>endlessly suffering biomass
So it'll just be like the current day

>>723224990
But WAU doesn't seem to realize that those are successes. He's a special boy, much like Simon.

>>723225006
Touche!

>>723207236 (OP)
It's a flipcoin
could've gone either way

i like to imagine that if simon let the wau exist eventually large pieces of earth het turned into h.r. giger paintings. With the original scans plus whatever it scavenges from dead humanity ruins embedded in the biomechanica landscape as misshaped constructs

>>723217956
>How would a brain scan behave like a human?
Catherine frankly doesn't behave human at all so scan behavior depends on the individual. Simon thinks he's a human regardless of what shell he's in, catherine acts like a human who thinks it's a robot.

>>723217956
Yeah, the way we think is also determined by our hormonal system, not just neurons. Most sci-fi just ignores it. No one said Soma is super-hard sci-fi. At least I hope so.

Why is everybody forgetting the moment where you find out that Johan's colleagues was talking to her mysterious bosses from Carthage Industries? What if the whole thing was an inside job to test out WAU's experimental capabilities, and the next game they're teasing will tell us about other surviving humans?

>>723224960
Maybe, but I have faith that the WAU will eventually figure out how to keep humanity alive without the endless suffering part.

>>723224921
Rather would be dead then a reanimated corpse with a camera brute forced into the skull.

Omicron was filled with latest versions of wau golems, including a corpse that gets up and disappears when simon returns to it, and all of them are as ghastly as akers from theta

>>723225038
It's interesting that the ending was originally written to be multiple choice, like the ending of Amnesia, but they cut the multiple choice out and just played both ending A and ending B in succession. So it would have been possible to win the flippybip 3 times in a row and get to the Ark.

>>723225321
They should've swapped the endings. That way, they keep the tradition of following the "next" Simon, like they did with the 1->2 and 2->3 transition, but then they reveal what it's like for the original.

>>723225228
She was sending messages as a cope mechanism as comms tower was destroyed bt the comets impacts blast wave. Alongside the weather tower


Far more omnious is that there is not even a hint on where the wau even came from. Only that it was orb shaped, which in frictional games never is a good sign, and the company was in a rush to install it in pathos 2 after the incoming impact event became known

>>723221064
It doesn't matter if both remember being you, one is YOUR consciousness, the other is not.

>>723222460
Does that matter at all when the result is that you KNOW you're still going to be sitting in the chair? If you're the one sitting down there, you're going to be sitting there at the end.

>>723214374
If you don't lack energy, you could live for hundreds of years.
The only pity is that you will probably go crazy and the equipment will start failing sooner or later.

>>723214374
I mean, in the case of the games scenario, you know you're going to die anyway, so you may as well give a copy of yourself a nice life if you can.

>>723225228
The extended lore in the short stories on Frictional's website confirmed 100% everything above sea level is absolutely dead as hell from the meteor. (One of the scientists climbs the entire length of the space gun out of the ocean to the surface of the water, takes off their diving helmet and dies from the atmosphere

So if WAU was an inside job, the only thing it was supposed to do was save humanity, and it failed spectacularly

>>723225517
The ARK sat itself is a glorified voyager probe. A marker left in the solar system that humans were here. Including a server bank filled with copies of humans even when the electronics eventually die.

Anything left on earth gets destroyed pretty fast in between erosion, firestorms and teutonic activity.

>>723225606
I mean, the humans had what, 14 years between the detection and the impact? They could've repurposed a couple of nuclear bunkers to serve as vaults for the elite, or built a space station (though space stations require supplies from Earth, so not really a good idea).

>>723212190
a computer is unable to suffer

>>723224810
provided you're not dead inside, the game will legit make you feel feels. that was the goal of the devs too.

>>723210885
>who thinks their audience is too retarded to pick up on simple themes
judging from threads on this board I think they gave their audience too much credit and didn't smash them over the head quite enough

>>723225606
There could be other bunkers with self sustainig life support. Unlike the asteroid that killed the dinos this extinction event was known to be coming far in advance

The extended media confirms though how vast majority of humans and most mammals are dead. Life itself is pretty tough and proven to be near impossible to kill in the six or so extinction events that have occured in the planets history. Only thing that can do it is shen the sun itself starts dying in a billion years

Coin flip theory is real and its also called quantum immortality

>>723215634
You didn´t even play the game, retard.
One of the cloning times you clearly see the former copy of you (the one who stays in the obstacle you have to surpass) talking about how the transfer didn´t work, as you are made to leave said place because you are too stupid to understand that you are just a copy and understanding it would break yourself (as proven at the end of the game).

>>723225372
Yeah, I was baffled by this. I think it must've originally been that way in development but someone thought it was too depressing a note to end on or something?

>>723226214
>Shitposting and pretending to be retarded is real
We know, anon, we know..

>Catherine is autistic!
I hate that words have no meaning. Where did this meme come from, e-celebs?

>>723225606
>takes off their diving helmet and dies from the atmosphere
Is everyone left on earth retarded? He didn't think to check anything before doing that?

>>723226285
The "bad" ending has more impact that way, I guess. I mean, it's more interesting and punchier.

>>723226316
She's 100% on the spectrum

>>723225730
>>723225897
the atmosphere is basically on fire, all vegetative life is dead and the planet is barren with firestorms raging constantly on the surface, so what if a couple thousand made it to bunkers, it would be literally thousands of years before things stabilize.

>>723226367
Are there more than 1 ending? I got the one where you start screeching to the AI that everything was an scam, and they AI replied that it wasn´t that it tried to exlain you several times, but you were too stupid/stubborn to understand it and says fuck you and leaves you behind on earth, followed afterwards with a quick vision of what happens on the "space shuttle".

>>723226461
Better than nothing...

>>723226431
So is 80% of humanity by modern social media definitions.

>>723226326
if i remember correctly it was suicide.

>>723208110
If you think there's a coin flip you're just as retarded as Simon.

>>723226316
She actually has assburgers, and not in quirky, "cute" way but realistic antisocial way

>>723226461
If all vegetative life is dead what feeds the fire?

>>723226763
>Only trees and grass can get fire
Did you ever heard of coal?

nu-story garbage soi with extra latte

>>723226763
A meteor as large as Telos could have caused a runaway nuclear ignition fueled by nitrogen in the air. Then, the amount of smoke created would intensify the green house effect, keeping the ambient temperature well above the ignition point perpetually.

>>723209328
it's too scary

>>723226907
It's not like the entirety of Earth's surface is made of coal, most of it is deep underground.
>>723227036
>runaway nuclear ignition fueled by nitrogen in the air
literally debunked even before the first nuclear bomb was tested. If that was even possible then the dinosaur erasing meteor would have exterminated all life on earth by literally turning all air into a nuke, like underground critters ancestors to humanity? Sorry you breathing oxygen with some nitrogen you're getting nuked.

>>723217905
Double Catherine Nazuri...

>>723217905
The ai is not limited by the enviroment as you are as the MC. Probably is only one Ai for the etire crew.

>>723226625
>moderately introverted and not a bimbo = aspergers

>>723216671
you can't "transfer" anything with computers. all data being moved is always a copy. additionally deleting chunks of your brain program while it is actively running your conciousness would just cause it to crash unrecoverably and corrupt the rest of the data, "killing" you. you have just arrived at that executives idea about killing yourself after the transfer all on your own

>>723226461
And? This is in the immediate aftermath of the impact event. Had even more then two years since it hit? Earth looked like that after chicxhulub hit too. With temperatures on the opposite side of the planet briefly spiking to a 100 degrees celsius as the blast wave swept across

You should really take a little time and go read about the real life extinction events. Its crazy shit and everything is there. From earth freezing over with ice sheet reaching the equator to a sea of lava poisoning everything

>>723227923
scientist fanfiction

>>723207236 (OP)
Soma is the ultimate litmus test for gamers
>liked it
Retard who likes walking sims
>hated it
An actual person that knew the twist from the first transfer.

>>723228051
simon being in another body after the scan is shown to you like 30 minutes in, it's not a twist

>>723228051
>A retard trying to sound smart

>>723221772
All right... I'll allow it.

>>723227976
>I...It's made up!
I accept your concession

>>723228051
>the twist
If you think there was a twist, I'm afraid that you are just as retarded as Simon.

oh, thats why you fags are talking about this game. an eceleb made a vid

>>723228646
People replaying and talking about a horror game in October? Fucking NPCs. You should be a free thinking main character like myself, making interesting posts about fotm buzzword.

>>723227923
the difference between Chicxhulub and Telos is that Telos was estimated between 6m-50m, anything above 6m especially on the higher end of 50m, and you're looking at a real sterilization event. By the way, it wouldn't even be worth living past this point anyways cause human civilization would have peaked.

>>723229006
no, i think its probably because an eceleb made a vid

>>723207236 (OP)
I just wish Amnesia games had more combat in them. It's also why i think the Penumbra games are better for it.

>>723229829
how much combat was there in penumbra? it's been years, I vaguely remember swinging a pickaxe a couple of times.

So you can read and write from a brain to a physical medium.
But you can't just attach that medium to a new pair of limbs like slotting a card in a new phone ?
I like the story but when you start to poke at it, it really feels contrived

>>723230642
>brb just performing brain transplant surgery on myself

>>723230642
1-You can copy a brain to a file
2-that file can be put anywhere, and at any time, you just have to find the place to do it.
3-In the game you litarally "change" your body to avoid some obstacles
The story "works" because MC is a fucking retard.

>”Woo we made it!”
[Spoiler]>”wha… We’re still here.[/Spoiler]

Haunting moment, I really love the grim reality of Soma, I hope the sequel or whatever project is good, I hope it’s in space because Mouthwashing really made me want to get murdered / die in space

>>723208110
No it isn't. The one who presses the button that launches the rocket will never be the one on the rocket and the one on the rocket will never have been the one who presses the button. Which perspective you see cannot change this.

>>723207236 (OP)
Hey hey people.

It's not just that Simon was stupid, he was in massive denial of his situation.

As evidenced by him seeing his human hands at first, then when Catherine literally tells him he's a robot he says "I don't want to think about it, I want out". He want to stick his fingers in his ears go "lalalala" and wake up back in Canada.

Not until he finds out about the ARK he gets excited and pushes for launching it because it gives him something to focus on somewhere to escape to. Even if he deep down understands he won't be on the ARK, he ignores that because the reality of what is happening is too hard to face for him.

>>723207236 (OP)
Why’d the ending bum you out? Honest question.

>>723208040
If that’s your standpoint, the MC version died when you swapped suits, though.

>>723224990
>living
this word is doing a lot of fucking work here.
the game questions a lot, but you writing it off as "living in bliss" really fucking takes the cake of "retard thinks its smart"

>>723207526
The little ARG movies they made were cool. Back when I thought YouTube horror / amateur horror had a bigger future.

>>723207893
Am I seriously this only one who watched this?
https://youtu.be/L8I_J2VjsqQ

>>723226475
No there's only one ending. That anon is saying simon stuck on earth is the bad ending and simon on the ark is the good ending.

>>723232868
No you're not! >>723232841

>>723232931
Ok good because it's a great companion piece and I'd hate to think people who played the game missed it.

>>723223340
>I sometimes forget how autistic people can get on this board, to not understand the root of emotional outbursts
I don't know why people act like it's so insane that someone would become delusional with hope in that situation. Fucking armchair philosophers here.

>>723225517
Thanks.I'm reading blindsight right now but I'll keep that one in mind because it's been recommended to me for years

>>723225038
The whole point was that the coin toss thing was never real.And that catherine knew that was going to happen, because you can't upload your consciousness somewhere else

>>723234186
Id say it doesn't really land that well as delusion since he's shown to be capable of/willing to think about uncomfortable existential things regarding himself even after the body swap. If he were truly that delusional/in denial you'd figure he wouldn't have the capacity to think or talk about those things with such clarity.

>>723232868
>>723232841
I completely forgot about these holy shit

>>723207236 (OP)
They're having a 10 year anniversary funding some cool merch, I bought myself the sweapants but they might not be funded in time, sadly.

>>723224921
the best outcome for Earth is to kill the WAU. Either there are some other humans scattered around and they will at least have more of a chance of continuing the species without some AI horror raping the world, or there are no humans at which point we owe to what is left of Earth life to kill the rape AI that will otherwise likely gradually subsume the entirety of the planet.

Life on Earth and survived multiple mass extinction events, no reason to make this one a permanent death via AI rape all because we are unable to accept that our species has lost to an asteroid so in turn we are going to unleash something the rape AI with a horrid concept of "life" in order to get in last hit of copeium in even as the last humans are a lady hooked up to a life support machine, a brain damaged brian scan chimera, and the digital ghost of some autistic Chinese lady on a motherboard. It is unseemly to hang into things when they are obviously spent.

So who is the dominant personality, Mandalore or Sseth?

>>723232514
NTA but should be obvious, Simon('s consciousness) is stuck at the bottom of the sea of a world that ended having just had an argument with the only "person" he had a relationship with whose consciousness just ceased to exist

>>723238240
>mfw i lose the coinflip

Was there any real reason they had to launch the ARK into space?

>>723207893
How showcase the idea of "People in 2100 are stealing the brains of people in 2015" ?

>>723221064
No, you're dumb. If you make a clone of your mind, all you've done is create a conscious being from nothing who could theoretically suffer forever, without ever having the chance to make a meaningful decision, because he lives in a computer chip. Your current consciousness has zero chance to enter the "paradise" chip, and if you plan to put yourself into the chip and kill yourself, then you could have just skipped a step and killed yourself to start. Making a clone of yourself, or having kids, is creating a life out of nothing, without pain, anxiety, or any needs of any kind, and putting it into a world where it'll have to suffer. It's ok to do this with your children, because our lives have inherent meaning, because we live in a material world where we can make meaningful decisions.

One of the most Reddit games ever, where all the supposed story depth stems from the fact that the MC is retarded for real.

>>723239391
>gets destroyed by random space rock
and just like that, humanity is no more.

>>723239391
It is solar powered and can be powered near indefinitely in space. If kept under the sea in Pathos II, it's supposed to run out of power and die after a few years.

>>723211809
>>723212190

>The WAU is uncontrollable and extremely unpredictable
You can see how this game was made before of the Orange President. Organic humans are uncontrollable and unpredictable.

>>723210885
>play the game zooted out of my mind
>couldn't see shit coming even if it were the planes hitting the WTC

>>723240178
We can figure out a human's train of logic typically because we are humans. AI operate in ways that are entirely alien.

>>723238240
>can't even goon
What can even do in the cuck chair?

>>723240270
Robots and AI loves humans.
They work in factories, picking food in farms, fill potholes of our streets.
Meanwhile humans are egocentrial freaks.

>>723240178
>actually thinking people don't follow recognizable patterns time and time again
>randomly bringing up something entirely unrelated in any aspect because TDS
Damn, anon

>>723239904
but the copy still thinks it's you. it's essentially another version of you with a branching path

>>723240642
AI will try to murder humans if it helps them not be deleted

>there are anons out there who leave Simon II alive to wake up trapped alone in a room where he cannot move forward as his body can't handle the pressure and cannot move back as the facility outside of his locked room is infested with WAU monsters that want to rip him apart. And he doesn't even have Catherine to keep him company as he waits for his batteries to die.
Grim.

>>723240768
You don't know that for sure

>>723240776
If he wants to die he can make that decision for himself, I'm not making it for him.

>soma is a decade old
damn

>>723240776
i would've taken him with. who's better company than myself

>>723209721
He’s talking about a retroactive coin flip though. It’s not as dumb as people make it out to be. Is his line of conscious the one that ends up in the new suit or the one that remains in the old one? They “both” have the same memories up to the copying process, so it’s not like the one in the new body has no recollection of the lead up.

>>723207526
First time watching lets plays of it left me with existential crisis. Second time years later still left me with some existential crisis even after knowing its plot and twists

>>723240403
He's got a woman's body, he can indulge in gooning we can only imagine

>>723240689
No, you are you. Things that aren't you aren't you. The reason Simon wants to make the clone is to escape the hopeless situation he's in. There is zero chance that creating a clone of himself will let him escape the bottom of the sea. He's just making a thinking, feeling computer program that will potentially enjoy it's existence in a simulation of paradise. That's pointless. Hell, even shooting the thing into space doesn't achieve anything. None of the brain scans are active ("alive") until you turn the machine on. It's better for them not to be put into a situation where they're trapped in a space box that will eventually decay and turn into a nightmare. Even if the machine doesn't ever degrade, does that mean they'll live forever? The human mind can't comprehend that.

It's not a coin flip. You are you. You're your body, mind, and consciousness. Are you thinking? You are.

>>723239391
Can be kept powered forever plus it's out of reach of the WAU

They should have done more with the reveal that he's the default brain scan everywhere

He probably ran on everything in the future, from toasters to cars, and mist have experienced infinite suffering before waking up on Pathos-II. I wish they included the other default scans in the game so you could meet up with the two other people who unwittingly sold their souls into slavery forever

>>723241290
>they are not alive
>but they are able to enjoy or suffer
>and the enjoyment or suffering of these brainscans is important enough to have moral weight
Then what's the point of distinguishing between alive and not?
Also the box might get picked up by ayys at some point and they can be transferred into robot bodies as the last hurrah of humanity.

>>723241290
>Are you thinking? You are.
We're!!

>>723241290
you completely missed the point. the copy is still you, but a different version. it's not that hard to conceptualize.
>He's just making a thinking, feeling computer program that will potentially enjoy it's existence in a simulation of paradise. That's pointless.
not really. pointless would be to cower in a corner and die. he did something. the copy has his exact memories (up to the point of backing up his brain). while it's not him, a copy of him still gets to live on. and who knows, maybe some alien civilization will find the box and see what humans once were. like that golden disc we sent up there. humans love to document their existence.

>>723240923
he can't go with you, he'll get crushed

>>723238523
Link?

>>723241539
>Then what's the point of distinguishing between alive and not?
There is no distinction, that's my point. You're creating life that'll have no meaning to its existence because it's trapped in a box in space. They have no agency in their existence because they're just code on a hard drive. They didn't need to exist, but you made them. They can't do anything with existence except exist until it all degrades. The only "point" to the whole project is to create a paradise for people you've created to experience paradise. It's pointless. It's also arrogant in the assumption that you'll be able to create a paradise to begin with. They'll all just be tortured minds in a box, potentially unable to even die.

>>723216358
Unfortunately simon isn't entirely robot and most of his body is a corpse, meaning that eventually it'll rot away or be eaten by wildlife. He'd be awake, but unable to move.

>>723240403
Anon, the screamers in their panties are on that station

>>723207236 (OP)
Why is this randomly getting shilled both here and reddit in lockstep

>>723242065
e-celeb brought it into the light and people who can't understand the game go on about it like they would praise Bioshock Infinite's garbage

>>723241962
Maybe he just needs more magical sci-fi space goo in his body to repair things, just needs to stick his finger into more waupuckers

>>723241572
You're missing the point. Its not you. It's a guy who is identical to you and then begins to experience his own life independent of you. Because you are you and only you can be you. Unless you share a single consciousness, you can't exist within multiple bodies. Documenting your existence could be a worthwhile goal, but it'd be less horrific if he just sent the box out into space without trapping the living minds in it. Turning on their brains and sending them into space is just like turning on their brains and putting them at the bottom of the ocean. It's just another eternal prison.

>>723242328
bioshock infinite is trash
soma is kino
not sure why you are trying to conflate the two

>>723242328
I enjoyed both Soma and Bioshock Infinite. Any other games brainlets like me tend to enjoy that annoy you?

>>723242328
When did ecelebs play it? I played it recently on a whim and now I'm worried I will forever look like a faggot

>>723242435
>It's a guy who is identical to you and then begins to experience his own life independent of you
i know. that still makes him you. memories are what shape and define us. the copy doesn't know either way, it wakes up and thinks it's the original version.

>>723242050
>no glowing vagina

>>723242463
Saying that the same audience who can't understand and are constantly confused or entirely misunderstanding Soma's entire shtick with copies are likely the same as those who think Infinite was deep when the main guy himself said he just wanted to make a game about time and alternate realities without understanding a lick of it just because he thought it was deep
>>723242503
Mandalore just a couple or so days ago. Suddenly multiple threads since, possibly multiple in a day but I've actually been playing vidya so can't say for certain
>>723242481
I dunno, newest AssCreed I guess?

>>723242861
it's been two or three a day, forever proving that a significant portion of /v/ is underage and doesn't play games beyond fortnite/minecraft

SOMA has been getting regular threads with hundreds of replies ever since it was released. /v/ just loves talking about it.

>Ctrl + F
>coin toss
>10 matches
>30% of braindead anons still believe it

>>723243384
t. lost the coin toss

>>723243248
There was obviously going to be more traffic on it when a popular youtuber makes a review over it. I think it's fine.

>>723243442
Yeah I mean not multiple daily posts, but every once in a while I see one, and they're often very active. Proves it's a good game I guess.

>>723243706
the game itself is a dogshit walking simulator. but the setting and story is so captivating they make up for it.

>>723229437
Chicxhulub was somewhere between 10 to 13 kilometers. Its not even the size, although it did not help, but where it crashed. That is the type of soil that produced a lot of soothe to black out the skies decimating photosynthesis. Similar sized rock has crashed into earth at least once earlier but was not as deadly

Other then that, humans are seriously underestimating how tough and resilient life+evolution are. as long as the extinction events are far enough apart. Chicxhulub or a bigger Telos types will start sterlizing earth likes if they crash into the planets every x million years or so

I can't believe Toronto looks like this

>>723241069
saved I needed a fun one.

>>723221546
I found out about homeworld from him so he's ok

>>723240776
I would have just taken his unconscious body outside the doors and told catherine to put him on a wake up timer. If he wants to kill himself he can always jump off the plateu, but he has a choice of exploring around the facility and seabed

>>723220687
>The Simon stuck in Pathos 2 was better off because he can actually change his destiny, sure he's borderline retarded and killed the smartest mind alive but with enough WAU cum he can maybe expand his mental capacity and start understanding the world around him and start producing solutions, although the WAU may end up doing that itself.
Based Nietzschean. THe ARK is the Last Man solution

>>723242550
You and I are having a fundamental disagreement on the concept of self. I'm saying that you and your unbroken chain of conscious thoughts and physical form are what constitute who "you" are. The fact that some other being shares a perfect copy of your thoughts and opinions as of one instant ago is irrelevant when determining your identity. He is another being and not "you." What's more, he is your creation. Everything he does or that happens to him is your responsibility, and so creating him is not a decision to be made lightly. The idea that you should create a living being for a frivolous existence is grossly irresponsible.

>>723245048
>You and I are having a fundamental disagreement on the concept of self
we're basically discussing The Ship of Theseus atp. i can agree that it's not "you", it's merely an image of you.

>>723209189
When I originally played I edited a text file to make the enemies non-violent and it was way better as a walking simulator IMO. THe monsters are spookier when they don't or can't hurt you

>>723242050
>the WAU has instructed me to procreate, strip

>>723243802
It's got enough interactivity to keep me engaged

>>723216831
NTA but that changes nothing about the statement. Video game characters aren't real. They made a stupid character and gave him a canonical explanation for him being stupid. That does not conflict with the statement that the reason they intentionally designed a stupid MC was as a stand-on for you.

Why does no one talk about the way Simon is able to somehow talk with electronics like he can interact with blackboxes etc? Can he communicate with the WAU maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mku8if-5gnQ

Underrated moment

>>723247738
Structure gel bullshit

>>723215123
How can anything like that be a threat to anyone? It doesn't even have any arms and walks on stumps. I could kick that things ass no prob and I'm sure robot Simon could too.

>>723248274
It has retard strength

>>723215123
hear me out guys...

Is there any downside to fingering the WAU fleshlights to heal? I avoided them for almost my entire playthrough because I assumed they'd corrupt me or something

>>723250936
No, I had the same fear but there is no consequences to healing.

>>723250936
There are no good or bad endings, so any "choice" you do during the game don´t affect the outcome.

BUT THE COIN FLIP

>>723250936
nah, it's your biological imperative to stick yourself into the WAU!
You're no WAUcel aren't you?

>>723250936
There should have been, but there isn't.

>>723231641
thanks for reminding me anon, it's in my playlist

>>723250936
The WAU is your friend. The WAU is trying it's best. The WAU just wants to help you. The more you can help it understand, the more it can help you.

>>723253756
You're joking but if humanity is truly dead then the Wau is unquestionably the best chance of resurrecting some kind of humankind from the ashes. Of course the game implies that there's some semblance of mankind left which kinda makes everything pointless but hey ho

>>723254113
The problem is, how many subjective millennia of torture are the brain scans going to have to go through before the WAU spits out enough sentient humans in relatively normal bodies that won't immediately kill themselves or go homicidally insane?

>>723254453
>how many subjective millennia of torture are the brain scans
I get what you mean but at the end of the day they're just copies, and if their suffering serves a purpose in bringing back humans then that's better than extinction. Humanity is already dead, who the fuck gives a shit if a bunch of ones and zeros get mindfucked over and over again.
Not to say I think it would be *that* successful, but I do think the Wau would eventually birth intelligent life that, over a long enough time frame could pick up the ashes.

>>723207526
>>723212372
Observation has similar themes and is quite under-appreciated
I think it might be the only game to portray cosmic horror without hackneyed cthulhu-shit

>>723207236 (OP)
I really like the story and characters and its atmosphere but I hate that it's a walking sim. If it had actual combat like Alien: Isolation or RE7, it would be a great game. Also the monitors look weird, that's not how screens look like.

>>723256437
saturn's sanus

>>723214021
>Why did the WAU put Simon in the corpse suit to begin with?
WAU was trying to save humanity but it could only work with what it had. As you can see the first iterations are really fucked up but with each new thing the WAU produces the end result is more and more humanlike. It had to learn how to make someone like Simon.

>>723210224
Humans are extinct in the setting and the game is about some retarded robots making a gravestone. How much worse could it be?

>>723256610
Well, you can be killed, and im not really sure, but you can use weapons... It´s not if it is just go from point a to point b

>>723239391
Not really. Its just a testament to Mankind's existence that hopefully some alien will find mildly interesting someday.

>>723256610
It's not a walking sim though. Being vulnerable rather than being "le superhero rambo gunshooty action man" is the primary thing that makes it scary. I love Alien Isolation, but most of the latter half loses its fear faction when you have the flamethrower and tons of weapons. It's good to have a game where you don't get any ability to fight back

>>723209189
>>723209591
I don't understand. You played SOMA with a guide? Guide for what? It's a walk through a series of linear corridors walksim.

>>723211732
Catherine: (getting angry) We ARE on the ARK, you IDIOT! I didn't lie! I can't be responsible for your goddamn ignorance, you fucki— (the console shorts out)

>>723210885
>The main complaint I hear about this game is how stupid the MC is, and the MC is written to be stupid
He is not stupid he just refuses to accept his fate. That's the horror of this game. That we lie to ourselves and make up fairytales to deny the uncomfortable truth.

>>723257347
What kind of monster yells at a literal retard? Come on Catherine have a heart.

>>723214560
>The slim chance of spitting out the occasional human meat-puppet or scanner researcher at the expense of all other biological life (that's recovered from disasters like comets before) seems a bit of a gamble.
Not really. You are gambling on evolution making intelligent species again in the next 500M years before Earth becomes inhospitable. That is very unlikely. It's more likely that WAU will keep pumping more humans and the intelligent goo cyborgs will recreate society and spread life outside of Earth.

>>723257441
He's coping hard, but he's also clearly not very smart. I think the game should have leaned more into the fact that he's a rudimentary scan and thus less "capable" in terms of processing new information than something like Catherinebot.

>>723215757
The word youre looking for is dilemma not paradox retardo

>>723241843
idk if you're allowed to post links but google "frictional games merch" and it's on makeship

>>723207236 (OP)
it was ok. Play og Talos Principle 1if they didn't delist it yet. The UE5 version has problems.

>>723207236 (OP)
I searched everywhere for something similar but there's nothing else quite like Soma.

>>723257098
There are no weapons. You only use one gun once to extract a battery or whatever it is from one of the two neutral robots.

>>723257205
For me it's the opposite. If I have to run and hide, it's not scary because my brain doesn't have to juggle between fight or flight. Having to juggle between them is a lot scarier. Deciding when you shoot a bullet and when you run past something or when you save your game makes any monster a lot scarier because the gameplay matches the narrative. SOMA's gameplay is inconsequential walking sim, there is no failstate. Oh no the monster caught me let me continue from the checkpoint the game made 10 seconds ago. The atmosphere is great but it doesn't match the gameplay and that makes it a lot less dreadful.

>>723254113
>Of course the game implies that there's some semblance of mankind left which kinda makes everything pointless but hey ho
What semblance, the ARK?

>>723258363
there's one a dozen posts above you

>>723225640
>erosion, firestorms and teutonic activity.
those germans again

>>723258379
>Oh no the monster caught me let me continue from the checkpoint the game made 10 seconds ago. The atmosphere is great but it doesn't match the gameplay and that makes it a lot less dreadful.
NTA but I agree that's why I posted >>723215242
like you subconsciously know you just have to walk past it there's no real challenge or fear. Just trial and error.

>>723207236 (OP)
>good recommendation, random anon whom I'll never meet.
Shill threads are so fucking transparent.

>>723217956
The brain scans were originally designed for medical use in healing brain damage which implies they aren't just neuron maps but full physical and neurochemical simulations of the entire brain.

>>723257915
I said biological life, not if it was intelligent or not. Though yes, the prospect of another intelligent species arising from the oceans again did cross my mind.

>>723212372
Quantum Break. It's not groundbreaking but I'm a sucker for time travel and it has some cool ideas and presentation that still holds up.

>>723257875
Catherine is a big autist. Most of the other scientists hated her.

>>723258815
>I said biological life, not if it was intelligent or not.
What's the point then. The entire Earth is a giant terrarium without intelligent life to take it to the stars. If you kill WAU you condemn all of it to burn in the sun.

How do people write shit as bleak as Soma and still get out of bed in the morning and go to work on their videogame jobs for 10 hours

>>723258772
>Shill
Keep spewing that word, maybe someday will loose any resemblance of a meaning it barely has now

>>723221064
I can't believe this post filtered /v/, we need to expell the turdies already

>>723259220
well, every day they dream of finally winning the coin toss and going to live in the paradise simulation in the sky. It's what keeps them going

>>723259414
>totally organic soma thread after they commission a video from fagalore,launched an arg, and a sequel is announced.
>no this is organic every one cares about frictional games after launching 2 terrible amnesia games that were forgotten in weeks

>>723239904
>because we live in a material world where we can make meaningful decisions.

What makes a virtual world's decisions meaningless over a material one? How do you not know that the "material" world is not a virtual one?

I wonder if they ever considered giving Simon a slurring speech impediment that made him sound like Spurdo instead of just being more subtly brain-damaged
>>723239904
you use the word meaning a lot

>>723259414
This is actually one of the few times where it's used appropriately. NEVER have I seen so many Soma threads than I have this week and I'm sure that is no coincidence.

>>723259220
They’ve likely already mused on and come to terms with their ideas enough to examine them directly. SOMA seems to be a game born from the twist idea:
“What if, at the end, this guy thought he was uploading himself, but really just uploaded a copy and was left behind?”
Developers said the idea mostly stemmed from the copy problem

>>723259012
Because animals are neat. I dunno, I didn't make them and they're a big part of the reason anything got done by humans at all. And if we're looking at as long of a timeframe as you're suggesting what's the point of anything? Eventually all the stars will burn out and there won't be energy for anything at all.
But I do regret killing WAU for the reasons you mention, so there's that.

>>723259885
Because everyone uploaded to the ARK knows the existential questions around their reality and the meaingless finite nature of their lives. Real life still has enpugh mystery to keep you curious. The ARK people literally know that the relaity will shut off one day and they are just dicking around until then.

>>723260240
coin flip, dude.

>>723260240
>Eventually all the stars will burn out and there won't be energy for anything at all.
We don't know that. There are ways to escape entropy in principle. Animals are neat indeed, that's why I think WAU is the only way to save them in the long run.

>>723259414
>>723258772
I run a meme page and its eye-opening how many people assume shit is aPropaganda when it isn't like people can just enjoy and post things you know

>>723259220
When a creative person is making a story they are just confronting their own mind really. It's all already down there deep in the unconscious archetypal soup. It's a way to safely confront your own deficiencies same like playing horror games. You are in a safe environment so it's fun to be scared.

>>723260087
Don't tell anyone, but they're shadow dropping the new game on Halloween

>>723260769
OH FUCK I'M SO EXCITED!

>>723260240
If there were zero life in the universe, there would also be zero problems. Why is it so important to let the WAU run rampant for millenia only to churn out abominable horrors so that MAYBE one of it's accidents would be intelligent enough for space faring? The suffering that it inflicts is not worth it at all.

>>723260221
Stuff like the WAU being a metaphor for evolution by natural selection and the Ark as a metaphor for the false immortality of having children is foundationally bleak

>>723260851
Did you understand the point that there's no difference between the WAU and natural selection itself? Simon would also never not kill it anyway so I don't know why they made it a player decision at all.

>>723260524
>I run a meme page
I hate this board turned into /b/ 2

>>723207236 (OP)
I've been playing Amnesia The Bunker (first time with that series as well) and loving it. I JUST found out that Soma was made by the same guys last night actually - what's it like by comparison? I suppose I should play it too?

>>723207236 (OP)
ending was the best the half-wit protagonist could possibly get
he gets into paradise despite being the most ancient and degraded brain scan of the bunch, while the copy left on Earth has an inevitable mental breakdown over not understanding how he could have won and lost at the same time

>>723260402
There is no coinflip, imo.
>>723260403
>We don't know that. There are ways to escape entropy in principle.
Really? That's neat.

>>723260403
>There are ways to escape entropy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

>>723221546
he has his tastes sure but I don't think he's always wrong. He's entertaining occasionally

>>723207893
I'm about to read the plot on Wikipedia so I don't have to play it.

>>723261815
The ending won't slap the same dawg

>>723263574
Reading a wiki vs playing the game is the ultimate coinflip. Hell, add in watching an LP that's a 3 sided coin ya got flipping.

UGH! Why can't I just lay here and passively consoom while you inject the slop directly into my veins? You expect me to actually actively participate in my entertainment? YAWN!

>>723261752
NTA, but the entropy cannot decrease in isolated systems.
Whether the universe is an isolated system is an open question but currently it doesn't appear to be due to a bunch of things like lacking a proper boundary (unless we count the big bang as one) and a bunch of bullshit related to space expansion. Basically when the special relativity starts taking the wheel, lots of shit stops making sense and this includes entropy as a way to describe thermodynamic systems.
tldr: Shit be complicated, yo, but beating entropy is not out of the question, pester you local physics nerds for more details since I'm just a retard on the interwebs.

>>723261552
If there's no coinflip, why does the perspective go from brain damage original MC to robot MC under the sea years later?

>>723243248
It also goes on sale for dirt cheap now, like 2 dollars or so

>>723221043
No, do the cutsean after you start a new game and at the loading after it instantly crushes

>>723264556
Because the perspective is a thing only for you, the player. You could have stayed in Canada or you could have gone to Pathos II. The Simon in Canada was staying put and the Simon uploaded into the corpse at Pathos II was always going to be the copy. No element of chance, no coin flip.

>>723264556
There is a coinflip, but only in the sense that there's two outcomes from creating a copy. Either you're the copied or the copy.

>>723259885
Well I'm a religious person, so I believe that God exists, he created the universe, and that there is some meaning in my existence that I'm not fully aware of. Non-religious people generally don't seem predisposed to accepting world views not supported by evidence and there really isn't any reason to believe that we live in a simulation. People in the ARK are fully aware of the nature of existence and that they are merely computer programs living in a virtual reality orbiting the sun. Beyond that, they have no agency in their existence. If a rock were to fly by and hit the ARK they'd have no way of anticipating it, and no way to avert the danger. They're just there.

>>723264598
Coinflip: The me that does this vs the me that doesn't....woah...

>>723260032
I used it once in that paragraph.

>>723209460
It's horror in a greek tragedy kind of way. He's too dumb to see that his actions will fail to save his current self in every iteration. Just creating new versions of himself that could get past the hurdle.
>last simon
gets onto the chip
>third simon
doesn't get onto the chip
>second simon
doesn't get into the diving suit
>first simon
didn't actually get his brain tumor fixed

>>723265620
We already discussed this. It's a coin flip.

>>723265063
If a big comet hit the earth and killed the entire population and made the earth uninhabitable for 1000 years, would you think that you were mistaken that there's a God or would you think it was his plan somehow?

>>723265914
Every extinction event is clearly a part of God's plan. He's resetting the board, I suppose.

>>723266041
For me part of the succor of believing in God would be that he would not hit the Earth with a comet

>>723265690
It's a coinflip of if it's your POV and stream of consciousness but it's nevertheless incredibly unethical to go around creating 3 copies of yourself. Catherine was a bitch with a weird definition of "we."

>>723266328
No, you fucking retard, no matter how many times you play the game, you will allways go through the same copies of Simon.

>>723260325
>The ARK people literally know that the relaity will shut off one day and they are just dicking around until then.
So they're in the same boat as people in the material world.
>>723239904
>material world where we can make meaningful decisions
Being capable of prolonging operation is not inherently meaningful, far from it. An universe that consists of a game of Tetris doesn't have meaning just because the player can erase lines to avoid blocks piling up to the top of the screen.

>>723216831
That just brings up the stupidity of using a damaged brain as the starting foundation of your brain-scan tech research. Even if they were desperate to do it in secret it's a nonsensical choice not to use an undamaged brain as a basis over one that was smashed by a fucking car

>>723266702
People always put the cart before the horse arguing that humanity must be preserved. You need to establish why it should be in these conditions in the first place. What kind of a life do these people have in these hellish conditions? The suffering is immense.

>>723266852
Simon's scan was not the first scan ever. It was the first scan intended to be used for medical research on a damaged brain, which you're obviously going to use a brain damaged patient for.
There were two brain scans before Simon: some random Japanese woman and Dr Munshi himself.

>>723266958
>You need to establish why it should be in these conditions in the first place
You are a fucking living being, the preservation of your species is in your ADN, doesn´t matter what pseudo-intellectual bullshit you spew, preservation need no justification.
>B-but they are gonna live on a living hell
Not necessary, maybe the effects of the meteorite will fade away in a generation or 2,

>>723265063
>Well I'm a religious person, so I believe that God exists, he created the universe, and that there is some meaning in my existence that I'm not fully aware of.

So you are mentally retarded then, got it.