Thread 723216483

What a stupid fucking piece of shit addition
who asked for bullshit that is literally impossible?
fuck this game, fuck FFtrainnes fuck milds and fuck Capcom

first time?

Like behemoth, just wait until they release an expansion that would give you stronger shit that will let you one shot it

>>723216483 (OP)
Normal Omega is pretty doable, just need to follow the mechanics, and wait for a group of Randoms that also understand them. Savage is the badly designed one.

>>723216483 (OP)
Literally the best hunt in all of Wilds and now that I've farmed all his gear I haev zero motivation to go back to talisman farming cause Seregios, Lagiacrus and Gore who are the only 3 monsters actually worth farming in end game are absolute zero fun shitmons so I'm just going to fuck off until we get AT Nu Udra, farm his shit and then fuck off again until TU4.

>>723216483 (OP)
Imagine still reusing this piece of shit boss all the way from FF5. Holy shit FF get new material.

>>723217758
BUT WHAT IF OMEGA IS A GIRL! IN 14?!?!?

>>723216483 (OP)
this nigga doesn't know the different between starboard and larboard

>>723216483 (OP)
Have you tried not sucking yet?

>remove solo scaling
>make the timer 30 minutes or less
>People cry
You know, if they just removed solo scaling and brought back Guild Quests like in 4th gen and older, people would stop crying about easy monster hunts that only last 10 minutes. I genuinely don't know why they don't just bring back GQs. Combine that with removing restocking in hunts and you'll have people dying to attrition in harder hunts too.

>>723220087
Removing restocking is quite literally not possible with how monsters are designed in the new games. Restocking not being there is only possible cause pre World monsters are easy as shit.

>>723216483 (OP)
>this game sucks its too easy literally no challenge (even though I cart regularly)
>this game sucks, its too hard, literally impossible (even though people have solo cleared it)
kek, fuck this fanbase.

>>723220328
I haven't played the update, but assuming it's like ExBehemoth/Ancient Lechen, then that's not real difficulty. Real difficulty would be soloing Ala/Fatty or AT Velk/HR AT Nerg.

>>723220087
>Combine that with removing restocking in hunts
... why do people keep saying this?
No one needs to restock, ever. if you think the game is too easy, you ARENT restocking. Therefore the only people bitching about restocking are those who are struggling... telling!

the only time ive "restocked" is when I forgot a hotdrink in iceborne. or forgot a trap when I wanted to cap. Thats it.
Every other argument against it falls flat on its face
>infinite healing
you already had that, its the camp bed.
>its too easy
it doesnt stop you being one shot or dying to combos, though, it doesnt change the fight at all
>its free
it costs you time, which is wasted by having to restock instead of just not doing that

honestly everytime someone posts this it just highlights how retarded the people who bring it up are. The only game that justifiably has restocks is wilds, and thats because they want to be able to stay out free hunting for a while, literally why they made the gunner ammo infinite and coatings infinite too. Restocks let you maintain that, and if you are doing questing like classic MH, then its a moot point because you "restock" before every hunt anyway.

Dumb shitter argument. plain and simple.

>>723220442
>I haven't played the update
anything you have to say has now been made irrelevant.
>that's not real difficulty. Real difficulty would be [arbitrary opinion]
not like what you had to say had any fucking value kek

>>723216483 (OP)
I got Wilds just for this fight. I skipped all MH story cutscenes but man they did him so good. Will buy the G rank expansion when they update him.

>>723220587
kek, I was there when picrel actually happened
this comic literally captures that very thread
I dont think he ever recovered. Literally ended the thread by saing adept style is optional not realising that just invalidated everything he said.

>>723220587
To be fair to the restocking argument. The only reason monsters are designed with super high damage, comboes and one shots is BECAUSE you can restock at camp. In the old games monsters never did that much damage.

>>723220587
>Combine that
Removing restocking alone wouldn't do a damn thing. You'd have to double most monsters effective health and stagger thresholds by removing solo scaling to make it effective. The idea is to encourage co-op rather than making solo play the most effective option for 99% of hunts. In the older games you also had alot of time wasting mechanics and the game was just literally slower, so hunts lasted longer. And depending on the game, monsters would chunk you and drain resources. If you ever actually ran out of heals it was basically gg. Since you would 100% time-out if you wasted time running back to camp every time you got low, which is every 1 or 2 hits(You can only farcast once, assuming you brought one, and I highly doubt you wasted inventory slots on far caster crafts for more.). I mean seriously, are really trying to compare the time loss between fast traveling back to camp once and restocking all your max pots and everything else via loadout, once. Versus trying to run back to camp multiple times across the map to go through a long as sleep animation? And your supposedly doing this multiple times? Yah, nobody did that except out of desperation, which more than likely resulted in a Quest Fail.


Admittedly this was hardly as much off a issue to take into consideration in 4th gen. They upped player DPS so much that most monsters died extremely quickly even in GQs. This was mostly a factor in 1st/2nd gen, somewhat in 3rd gen as well. But even the concept is completely absent in 5th gen onwards.

>>723221352
I... im at a fucking loss
This is just wrong on every level. What even is this fucking fanbase anymore.
>the only reason monsters do that much damage is restocks
you have no way to validate this claim
>monsters never did that much damage in the old games
patently untrue, like, literally distinctively false. Anything in MHFU would do more damage than mosnters in MHW/R/Wi
Tigrex is a middle of the pack monster and could basically one shot you with unupgraded armor fromt he get go, in low rank. I wont consider G rank for wilds sake, but iceborne and sunbreak can be compared too. Plenty of FU G rank mons would absolutely push your shit in, especially gunners. And most mons in HR would challenge you damage wise as much as a monster in wilds

The only part I will give you is these special TU mons like omega are indeed artificially inlfated higher than something of old, and are more comparable to an online-only hub elder dragon.
But the absolute kicker here is this idea that people havent been bitching about World, Rise and especially Wilds having NO damage, and mosnters barely doing anything to your HP.
>super high damage
bitch every thread was complaining about monsters not doing damage, not just LR, but HR
it is literally ONLY in the last TU with omega, and maybe the steve and lagi one, that people have said its getting challenging. Before that monsters not doing enough damage was a key fucking complaint.

The MH /v/ folk literally invent reasons to be upset its unreal.

>>723221780
I don't care about the restocking argument. I'm just saying objectively Monsters in World onwards do more damage, have more comboes and delayed attacks and all that jazz specifically so you get hit more often and are more likely to be carted before you can use your healing. Again I don't care that's just an objective fact. You can cry about it all you want but it makes it none the less true.
But the absolute kicker here is this idea that people havent been bitching about World, Rise and especially Wilds having NO damage, and mosnters barely doing anything to your HP
Quite literally nobody has ever said that, you're lying. In fact the exact opposite is what people usually complain about with every monster doing 80% of your HP with every attack being the norm. You're being dishonest and I don't even really get WHY you're being dishonest since you're basically agreeing with me. Stop being a mentally ill retard and you wouldn't be making problems out of nothing. Ironically since that's exactly what you accuse me of doing.

>>723221581
sure but I think a key counter argument is
>a hunt taking longer doesnt neccessarily make it harder, if you arent getting hit, then youre just spinning the wheels for no reason
Yeah, it taking 15 mins instead of 8 effectively means twice the time to fuck up, thus making it a bit harder... but... so? its not really much difference. Gypceros isnt suddenly much harder because it takes me 8 mins instead of 3.

Respecting players time is more valuable these days than forcing needless HP bloat, both because old fans being old and because new fans have 1000s of other games they bounce between you dont want to bore them away.

I actually agree, and I liked the slower gameplay of old for sure, and wilds hunts originally ended way too fucking fast, but removing solo scaling isnt the answer. MH has always had solo scaling since MH1. Jumping into the hub for HR/GR was a fucking chore because mons suddenly take 2.5x longer to kill, arbitrarily.

if you wanted hunts to be 20-25 mins long instead of 12-18, thats fine, but you will absolutely shrink the fanbase, new AND old.
This would only work if hunts were more dynamic, and the monster actually changed up the fight as it went on
example: damaging both rath wings forces it into a more ground combat style and changes the hunt
or breaking barioths wings makes it change up its approach so it isnt slipping around so much.
so that 10 mins into the hunt, the hunt itself changes and adapts to the damage you did.

>>723221953
>that's just an objective fact.
it isnt, though.
>b-but the damage numbe-
you have more HP now too. nigger.
%hp bar is all that matters. You were caught in a lie.

>>723222083
>nuh uh
Ok

>>723221953
>Quite literally nobody has ever said that, you're lying
okay, this guy is a troll
theres no way they actually belive what they wrote, no one can astroturf all the "monsters do no damage, its too easy" posts made for all three of these games.

If youre going to troll, why be so fucking blatant about it? kek.
Ajarakans grab was so weak even normalfags mentioned how low the damage was, most normalfag reviews mentioned how low the damage in general was. unreal.

>>723221953
>>But the absolute kicker here is this idea that people havent been bitching about World, Rise and especially Wilds having NO damage, and mosnters barely doing anything to your HP
>Quite literally nobody has ever said that
kek the delusion is off the charts
inb4
>p-p-prove it, show the archives!

>>723216483 (OP)
>0 weapons, gear, or upgrades for GL
welp, see you all in december. what a fucking embarrassment of a major patch.

>>723222158
>>723222220
>minutes apart
Dumb samefag schizo. People were bitching all the time about how much damage monsters do
>but muh low rank monsters
Nobody has ever cared about that

>>723220587
It's psychological, retard. Having infinite restocks allows you to play recklessly.
I live how retards in here pretend to understand game design and yet they fail to realize its most basic principle, that it exists in function of player psychology
retard

>>723218568
>instant blocks
i don't need to learn

>>723222003
At the end of the day, it's a argument to increase multiplayer engagement. You can still have "Village" quests. It just feels incredibly shitty when i'm actively encouraged to just solo 99% of content because teammates will just waste your time. I like the idea that Monsters have the same health regardless, and if you want to kill them as effectively as possible you're encouraged to team up. Now, that's only somewhat true for endgame monsters, assuming you don't get absolute shitters that will just instantly cart. In which case, you're still better off soloing.

>>723222361
>two seperate people couldnt POSSIBLY think im retarded...

>>723222329
Next time get a real weapon like a GS, IG or SnS nerd, maybe then you would be deserving of an upgrade.
No but seriously GS just keeps getting its dick sucked, I miss when it was just LS wank.
Being a Lance Main in Wilds is suffering.

>>723222386
I play like a reckless retard all the time and I never have to restock.

>>723216483 (OP)
git gud

people go back to restock?
i always have herbs/potions/honey and craft mega potions on the fly, or just collect them

I'm so confused by this beds = restock logic that one guy keeps using in this thread. Seems incredibly disingenuous to claim that a bed you need to run back to every time you need to heal is the same as being able to instantly fully restock your inventory.

I mostly find restocking an issue because I enjoyed muh immersion as having to subsist of shit in the field by knowing the maps and where to get herbs and honey and coming prepped with enough combo books, that you weren't going to be making trash, if you wanted to make a bunch more healing mid quest.

>>723222469
>two separate people couldn't POSSIBLY be telling the exact same blatant lie
Yes actually, it is very unlikely for two people to be lying so blatantly in the exact same way. But anyway as I said I don't actually care about this issue I was just playing devil's advocate and explaining how one COULD argue against restocking so I'm just going to tell you to take your meds and ignore you. If you want to respond with concession accepted go ahead. It's not my position to argue anyway.

>>723222459
>Now, that's only somewhat true for endgame monsters
yeah, omega is literally designed for MP
>assuming you don't get absolute shitters that will just instantly cart. In which case, you're still better off soloing
which is why I thank the gods solo scaling is a thing
MP is optional, you do it because its fun to do. You are asking for it to be basically mandatory to have a good hunt time, which IMO is retarded. Not only because it is needless, but because forcing it doesnt force fun
What if the game 'dies' and you still want to play it?
what if the servers go down?
What if YOU suck and you are worried about making others lose, as seen with fatty and such in world
What if you dont want to be forced to play shitter roulette and you want to just beat a mon, but everyone fucking sucks (this happened to me on kulve and safi)

MP is more fun than SP, when it works, but forcing it doesnt make sense. let ME chose if I want to play MP or not. Shitters can use the NPC summons wilds has instead of fucking up my hunts.

Lets say in 2030 I want to go back and play world, if not for them making changes, kulve, safi, behemoth fatty and leshen would all be slogs / impossible without autistic levels of play, not fun.
Making them MP at first then updating them a year later to be solo-able is fine IMO.

>>723216483 (OP)
Risetranny got filtered lmaooooooo
Go play you kiddy slop tendie you will never be a real hunter

sure smells of discordtroons falseflagging in here

>>723216483 (OP)
Its not THAT hard. It IS a shit fight with MMO bullshit that has no place in monhun.
>>723218568
Those attacks are non-issues.

>>723222656
>lying so blatantly
bait used to be believable.
Imagine claiming no one complained MH Wilds was too easy and monsters didnt do enough damage...

so many people have forgotten the spirit of hit and dont get hit
no such thing as you need more consumables, and if you do need it just carry herbs and blue mushrooms.

>>723222812
Nobody but someone who got giga filtered could say Omega is a bad fight so you're just self reporting

>>723222845
When the game doesn't punish you for getting hit
When you can slot stun resist for free
When you can heal instantly while moving
When you can have your dog pick you up
When you can fast travel across the map
When you can restock everything at the press of a button
When farming consums is no longer a concern

People WILL play more sloppy, because they can get away with it. AND STILL WIN.

>>723223131
Post your true solo Savage Omega clears then tough guy

>>723216483 (OP)
Just get carried online. Or git gud and solo it (w/ support hunters).

>>723223131
>When the game doesn't punish you for getting hit
but, anon, this retard literally said the game punishes you too much for getting hit
>>723221352
>>723221953
>>723222656
hes claiming all hits are 80%hp~one shots.
thats pretty punishing!

>When you can slot stun resist for free
agree, bring back negative skills to balance this shit
>When you can heal instantly while moving
not really, in rise I think you could but in world and wilds the heal makes you jog at best, which cant dodge arkveld for example, AND the heal is delayed and slow in comparison to the old games where you had the flex, so getting hit or dodging halves the heal
I agree its too powerful though as is.
>When you can have your dog pick you up
agreed 100%, dog/bird should fuck off mid combat like the small mons do.
>When you can fast travel across the map
not really an issue, the maps are much bigger now, world was fine, couldnt warp mid combat. Wilds lets you teleport mid combat and THAT is whats dumb, not the warp itself IMO.
>When you can restock everything at the press of a button
Fail to see the issue, no one who thinks the game is too easy is restocking, literally no one. This doesnt happen and isnt an issue. restocking isnt making the game easier for anyone in the endgame, its simply more convenience over having to end the quest because you forgot one item.
>When farming consums is no longer a concern
agreed, farming is too strong overall and theres no gathering element anymore
shame too since wilds wanted to go for the whole WILD hunt thing, having to scavenge plants and shit would make much more sense
to be fair, wilds farms are much worse than other MH games, even classic MH, but its stil ltoo easy to gather quickly.

im not happy with the casualisation either, but, its not as bad as people make out.
my actual concern is the lack of immersive qualities. too much time in menus, too little time in the world.

>>723222852
>autist can't understand others having different preferences

>>723223876
Omega doesn't even have MMO bullshit so you're clearly just coping with a skill issue. Nothing in Omega requires you do anything different from what you were doing anyway

a chicken nigger
get ready to fry

>>723223924
NTA but how the MRV missiles work is absolutely MMO bullshit since it will target everyone if there's no enmity instead of just 1 person with enmity, which is also the biggest killer of shitters outside of people getting hit by frostbite then ran over, as well as the HP penalty that starts stacking if no-one swaps enmity off you.

>>723224286
If you're in a hunt and someone isn't attacking the head anyway you're playing the wrong game.

>>723217004
>stronger shit that will let you one shot it
is this even fun? what's the point?

>>723224318
>isn't attacking the head
You can't knock it out of the panko mode by hitting the head. You need three leg wounds specifically.

>>723224318
Anon I've already soloed Savage enough times that I never need to fight it again, I already know the fight in and out.
The point is there is MMO bullshit in the fight.
Still the best fight in Wilds though.

>>723224362
>>723224413
Serious question do people actually hate "MMO mechanics" cause to me the criticism has always felt incredibly arbitrary and contrived. Like at the end of the day nothing about Omega is actually any different from a normal hunt. Plenty of monsters have their own unique gimmicks you have to play around, what makes this any different? I could maybe get it with Behemoth with it not being soloable but Omega is perfectly doable solo and then you also now have support hunters. Hating Omega cause of "MMO bullshit" just doesn't make sense.

>>723216483 (OP)
love when people that call themself hardcore gamers, whine when faced with the tiniest amount of challenge. Optional content

>>723224523
I don't hate the MMO stuff personally but I think some people just don't like it when a game forces them to play different just for 1 fight, especially if the fight is not well designed for the game. Area denial specifically tends to really piss people off the most and people will never let you forget behemoth's charbidys spam. I also don't think anyone has said a single positive thing about Leshen/Ancient Leshen.
Omega (And Savage for that matter) don't entirely fall under that as they are beatable solo quite easily and are actually fun even with Omega's mustard bomb which is much easier to handle than charbidys and doesn't last nearly as long while for Behemoth it wasn't as you said.

>>723223924
You're clinically retarded. Bet not even your parents love you.

>>723224523
What >>723224894 said I think most people are just extending their hatred of Behemoth to Omega and lumping them in together.

>>723224523
People will always bitch regardless of what devs will add lol.
>hurr game's too easy
>hurr game added mechanic i dont like

>>723223924
True, its literally the same hunting mechanics, only now they literally show you where damage is coming on the floor kek
>>723224934
>not an argument
>ad hominem
as per usual, MH haters are proven to be morons.

This thread is IDENTICAL to when Behemoth was released in World, lmao.

If omega is that hard... just use the NPC hunters.
>y-you didnt beat the ga-
I did, but im not talking about me, im talking about them like OP who cant stop being mad cuz bad.
Theres literally nothing wrong with playing the game as intended if youre struggling to play it in whatever way you intended.

Its radhaan all over again, a fight designed for multiple people, only they give you the option if solo to play with 2, 3 or 4 players using AI NPCs that are actually better than the average MH player kek
You can try to solo it for your artificial sense of self worth, but its not designed for that. Just take the NPCs lmao

>>723224523
pic
rel

>>723220587
amazing, Worldfags are so insecure they have to make up discussions in their head so they can win an argument for once.

>>723216483 (OP)
post room little buddy we can carry you
also wide range is easy to fit into any build to make the fight easy