Thread 723225521

STARCRAFT: BROOD WAR
ASL SEASON 20
SEMIFINALS
soma (Z) vs Bisu (P)

Korean livestream: https://play.sooplive.co.kr/afstar1
English livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctven
Spanish livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctvespoficial
Japanese livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctimes

Liquipedia page:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ASL/20

Bisubros literally vomiting in excitement.

>>723225521 (OP)
>THE SOOMA: AAAAAAA I'M SOOMING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Soma means cute in finnish

>>723225521 (OP)
finally my sleep schedule is fucked up enough to watch one of these live

let's go

I completely forgot about yesterday's match and just watched the VOD
Surprised barracks managed to get at least a single win

>>723225903
still, we had some decent games yesterday

SHOULDERS STATUS: ON FULL DISPLAY

This is it, protoss bros. Our time has finally come. This is the day to guarantee our victory with a PvP finals.

>>723226027
but we're gonna see Snow beat Soma in the grand finals

I hope Bisu wins because a PvP finals would be incredible. This might be a close set though.
>>723225903
I slept through it but I saw the results. Were they good games, or did Snow just generally stomp him and die once to a cheese?

>>723225893
>i won a final uuuhh almost 20 years ago

Literally worse than Shuttle.

Praying for a 4-3 Soma win. I sure as fuck am not wasting my time watching a one sided PvP finals

>>723226064
Snow stomped, Barracks had one good attack timing but Snow still almost won that game after fighting like a nigger on crack

>>723226064
>or did Snow just generally stomp him and die once to a cheese?
Surprisingly there were no straight up cheeses but there was a lot of Snow greediness that went unpunished and basically gave him free wins

Bisu is a ZvP expert. If Soma wins he can also win vs Snow. If Soma loses you can declare Snow the ASL winner today

>>723226234
*Bisu was a ZvP expert 17 years ago

>pulling the child card so I feel guilty for rooting against him
Won't work. GO SOMA, curbstomp these Protoss fucking shits

>>723226426
nice, snow got some pussy

>>723226234
Snow deserves to get a championship

protoss fucking shits

>>723226503
No, Toss players deserve nothing but ridicule

Will Flash be back for the next ASL?

>>723226540
Snow is the one exception, the only protoss player who doesn't deserve to get covered in rotten eggs

>>723226557
No, he has exploding wrist syndrome

>>723226534
3D RTS vs 2D RTS. In 2D RTSses most damage sources are non-projectile auto-hits.

My prediction for today:
>Maek hydra
Win

>Doesn't maek hydra
Lose

Soma is the only one that can avenge /ourguy/ Barracks against Snow

>>723226627
surely a ro4 protoss will remember to make units

There's no way Bisu wins this right? Or will he pull out his old-man strength

>>723226472
>SnOw gets pussy and is a pro Brood War player
>I don't get any pussy and am shitty at Brood War
Man.

>>723226627

Actually, yes. Muta openings are trash and gay.

I'm here noooooooooow

>>723226718
Soma looked pretty shoddy in the RO8. He won, but he worked way harder than he should have had to. I think Bisu has a chance.

soma jorking one out before the game

>>723226627
My prediction, from a protoss point of view:
>make cannon
win

>don't make cannon
lose

inb4 guardians and scout

>>723226810
stop, stop, I can only get so hard

>>723226826
uaah sexo thighs

>>723226810
When was the last time you saw Scout vs zerg in mp?

>third base before den or lair

This might be over right here.

FUCK almost missed a game

>>723226025
God, she's just begging for Bisu's seed

>>723226932
>2 zealots will keep 9 mutas in the zerg's own base AGAIN

I hate being alive.

Predictions

oldbros.. why am i hearing about jaedong and bisu in 1998+27? is this like messi playing in USA type beat?

>>723227007
It's almost impossible to get through the ASL qualifiers if you haven't been playing for 10+ years.

>>723227007
Zoomers failed to make it into the big leagues in sports, e-games, work, everything. So..yeah these are the best players in 2025

Why didn't he go second stargate after seeing spire?

ogre man marches on

>>723227007
Bar too high

Bisu, more like SHITTU-DESU

OGRE ZERG GAMER

4got to micro lol

>don't maek
>die to mutas
I feel like I've seen this before

>>723227067
looks like he was paid to throw

We didn't need that nexus

I guess it's going to be Snow vs Soma is the finals.

Bisu played like shit, if he went 2 stargate or 2 more cannons after seeing there's no hydras coming he'd have enough corsairs to wreck that muta ball.

KWAB

bisu got coached by fantasy or something?

>blows up his own misplaced cannon right before more mutas fly in
What the fuck am I watching

Come on, guys. It's not like you were much better than this when you played BW for the first time.

>>723227337
Nexus goes there

Looked like Soma was just waiting for the gg after he killed all the corsairs.

>>723227371
Yeah took his hand off the keyboard

Oldie, but Goldie

Nice Muta maekin.

Embarrassing

I want Soma to win but that just looked like the most obviously rigged match ever

>>723227495
>a basic ogre zerg all-in
>MUH RIGGED GAME
? ? ?

>>723227495
>Its rigged!!!1
Lmao pure cope

>>723227616
It wasn't an all-in. That was just a standard harassment intended to kill a few drobes and apply pressure. It wasn't meant to kill every corsair and his Nexus.

>>723227423
Bisu always drops the spaghetti, dude is a god in ladder but completely useless when it matters.

It's bisover

>>723227616
He scouted the Spire. He knew it was coming.

>>723227648
That's what you get when you maek cannons at the natural when the zerg hasn't shown a single hydra

A 4-0 would be so kino. Go soma

>>723227696
Spire is made at that timing every single ZvP, watch soma make it again this game

>plays for Clown9
>viewers didn't expect to see a clown
??

4-0
total soma sweep

>>723227696
>zerg makes 2 scourges and alls in with hydra

You either scout the composition and respond or you don't

>>723227648
>>723227704
As soon as Soma cuts off the scouting from the toss he makes a bunch of hydras or a bunch of mutas and toss has to choose which one to get ready for or make some kind of in-between defense.

>>723227704
He made 2 cannons to stop lings (walling himself in like a retard) and he saw there was no hydra den.
I don't think it's rigged but it's weird for Bisu to play this bad.

how much did bisu cost? Throwing like this is just pathetic

>double den
MAEK

DOUBLE DENFAGGOTS!

maek hydra

LMAO 2DEN!

oh god he has him bamboozled again

maek hydra = win
it's that simple

>doubleden
>doublemaek

washed up

even capeman can't save him

bisu, more like hasbeensu

bisu went after 1 guaranteed overlord instead of guaranteeing gas information
definition of win the battle lose the war

>3 mutas and nothing else
>i have 600 minerals
>should i warp in a few more cannons
>nah

Why won't soma just get a 4th?

>>723228285
You don't understand bro he really needed those three extra mutas (which he then just walked into an archon)

bruh.

I feel like whoever wins here is gonna get rolled over by Snow desu bros

>>723228352
that's their job, they suicide dive to snipe HTs

weak storms

>>723226540
Based. Protoss players are awful and the race is awful. Tvz is how the game is meant to be played. The truest form of starcraft.

>enemy collects his hydras into storm sized groups
>storms are shit

>maek hydra
start winning :)
>stop meaking hydra
start losing :(
>maek hydra agian
win :)

>>723228430
This but ZvZ

How did soma fuck up so badly to end up losing

That's a lot of Zee lots

>Missed the last thread
It's over

they're competing who can fuck up harder

He spent too much on mutas, if he built a ground army he could have won. Bisu ran out of minerals. Previous game might have influenced this too much.

GODBISU

I maek storm and zee lots

>>723228568
stopped maeking, unironically

>storms this close to your own drobes
wew

every time i check the stream, the faggot is talking about poker

what is this clown shit

Spooky storms given 100% of your probes are mere pixels away

>>723228454
>>723228634

True.

>>723228568
Made too few drones during the initial attacks. Was probably intentional though.

That was one of the stupidest fucking games I've seen in a long time

>>723228568
that double den play was basically all in, supposed to at least kill the nexus
then he went greedy 4th instead of lurkers

>>723228731
so far!

>>723228692
Why are you not watching the Korean stream???

Based Xun, fuck AI slop. broodwar and aoe2 will forever be the best RTS ever made

>>723228812
i dont speak shibal

>>723228838
Will competitive WC3TFT ever take off?

Left caster looks like a korean long lost brother of GGG Jonathan.

>>723228868
Neither do I but I enjoy their enthusiasm. OOOH TEMPRARY- TEMPRARY STOOOOOOORMY!!!
Compared to the charisma void english stream who aren't even talking about the game it's so much better

moral of the story: never stop maeking hydra

>>723228870
lol

>>723228692
>watching anglomuttspeak
youre the faggot

>>723228870
>Tournament puts your esports clan logo in a tournament map.
>Blizzard now legally owns the logo
Yeah Blizzard made sure there won't be any competitive community in its modern games anymore.

terran players and bitching
name a more iconic duo

>>723229051
>jew too hard
>people turn away
>wtf why is our brand dying

>>723228985
kino. or "w00t" as the oldfags would say

>>723227403
Wait, this isn't an edited pic? It's real?

>>723229069
>karier, river, and templer

>>723229069
>noobcake Terrand has medic with restoration. So GOSU

it's like i'm reading a chatlog from the 90s

>>723229206
>clear straps
disgusting.

>>723229206
I would like to nydus her main if you catch my drift

>>723229069
In broodwar terran is pretty weak imo. Siege tanks are great but are useless against queens and zealot speed and wreck them. No psi storm or lurkers either. Toss has always been bs race though.

Dishonesty engaged

>>723229206
whore

LMAO 2GATE!

oldschool haagen daz

maek zelot

>>723229362
>In broodwar
Terran is the most dominant race and Protoss is the least winning race.

chad plays from soma

>>723229570
>he maed?

>using ancient strategies on talented new blood who never lived through that era
valid

>sees zealots coming
>CANCELS third???
>bisu destroys second

Ummmmmm.........???

what is this clownshit

now this is peak retardation

Soma? more like so mangled

>1 base zerg vs 2 base bisu
who wins?

hobos with knives > flying rats

1 HATCH HYDRA BUST GO

>slow zealots waddling across the map
RESEARCH FUCKING LEGS

>>723229362
Toss is the worst race and it's really not arguable

crakkka spotted

its time

>>723230035
are those meatballs

Heil Bisu

just because zerg has natural counters to toss bs doesn't make toss bad
if muta micro didnt exist then toss would be the strongest

>>723230105
>if muta micro didnt exist then toss would be the strongest
If muta micro didn't exist then neither would corsair or carrier micro exist

>corsair
>carrier
>micro
lel

>>723230120
>Bisu fighting
>not bisu hwaiting
1 job

maek ling

>he maeking?
>doomp eet

INVISIBLE MAN ON THE LOOSE

cape boy stuck

how much did Bisu pay Soma to throw these games?

>throwing away 2 sairs
best sair user my ass

STOP POSTING GOOKS IN THE STANDS, POST MEMES

>>723230283
He snorted a line from top of korean chicks buttcheeks before the match.

>>723230356
>>723230356

>>723230283
BISU HWAITING

TOTAL MUTA DEATH

It's fucking over just gg already

?????????????

>I completely lost air battle and superiority?
>BUT I HAD SOME SPITTY BOIS HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>723230565
>4base 4gas zerg
>its over

lol?

>bisu only leaves 1 templar at his most important expansion
>lose
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>723230671

ChadFaceYes.png

>don't maek nexus
>lose
WOOOOOOOW

>maek mistake
>lose
wtf you guys told maeking leads to winning

Soma handled Bisu's attack on his second base very well. He had hydras attack flank the dragoons while zealots were out of position and distracted by the sunkens.

>wait until you mine out to make third
>zerg kills it
>lose
Wooooooooow

is soma beats bisu he beats snow
its as shrimple as that
snowkeks cursing light out of the tournament deserve it

>>723230958
the Artosis Gambit

Who would win?
>An ancient hyper-advanced alien race with psychic powers
>An endless wave of spitty bois

>>723231050
what if they spit really hard

BISUBROS LET'S WIN OUR FIRST ASL

Zergchands, we are two hydra busts away from the final.

>screaming kino
I've literally never seen a protoss win on this map

OH NO NO NO NO

>>723231050
>REEE WE ARE ANCIENT AND CIVILIZED AND TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERIOR REEEEE
>I MAEK!!!11 SUPRIRSE HYDRA?!?!? MAEK!!!?!?
it's so tiresome bros...

soma needs to take a page off Larva's gamebook and ENSNARE those arbiters

>>723231473
hivemind > civilization

MAEK CORSAIR

TODAY WE SHALL SEE D-WEB

Cammon Soma
Maek some queens.

did soma just not watch larva btfo corsairs with queens? fucking retard

Carrier has arrived

>carriers in PvZ
Ohhhh shittttttt

CARRIER

>dweb
holy fuck lmao

DWEB

Holy

GET DWEBD FGIT

GET FUCKED TRASH TOSS

YOOO

Okay this is officially the best Roaring Currents game ever.

Crazy game

still would be so much better with ensnare

>Guardians too
Most fucking kino game ever

Carriers ships hit twice right? So a plus 4 defense is a plus 8 defense :/

I literally have NEVER seen both Guardians and Devourers used in a PvZ. Not even once.

If only bisu made scouts...

I wish they would keep this map next season...

Match turned into a long campaign map.

what does the purple cum even do?

>>723232006
thats sc2 tardation

>Devourers
>Guardians
>Disruption web
What a game

ENSNARE AND SCOURGE THE FLYERS YOU FUCKING FUCK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

>map full of zerg bases
>carrier corsair
Excuse me is Bisu playing a single player campaign?

>>723232115
slows down attack and reduces armor

>>723232115
+1 dmg taken from all sources per stack of goo.
I think +20% attack cooldown per stack. Mutas will fuck you up with their multi hit glaives.

HOLY KINOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>723232115
Slow and extra damage debuff combined.

Defilers would be nice...

a single ensnare would end the game

>>723225521 (OP)
>Japanese livestream
What goes in there? Thought Japanese didn't play RTS

Why not get 1 queen for ensnare?

>>723232283
paid actor

fucking retard bisu leaving 8 temps out there alone

bisu about to go broke

its over bisubros ;-;

>>723232276
>What goes in there?
Japanese man trying to pronounce "Devourer". I'm enjoying it.

>>723232283
Maek... Caster...?

watching those things two-shot carriers is so satisfying

>make devo
>win
It's literally that easy

>>723229574
That's a reflection of the races player skill not inherent power level. How does protoss lose with storm, archons, carriers and goons? Skill issue sorry.

B U C K

R

O

K

E

N

this felt like bisu trying something in a practice game
felt so sloppily executed

>>723232360
>DEVAURU!

Maelstrombros...
Ensarebros...
Why do they hate us...

APOLOGIZE

>>723232206
Looks like a screenshot that would be printed on the Starcraft Battle Chest

>>723232459

Apology letter meme incoming on the /vst/ general later today.

>>723232458
>my buirdu is too autisticarry thought out to fit in a game winning spell upgrade

>>723232459
Flying BBW Futanari mistress strikes again.

>it's a bo7
damn nice

Unironically should have made Scouts. Consider that Devourer/Guardian has 2 armor base and Soma upgraded to +3. Interceptor/Corsair does fuck-all against that.

ill take xen and saiyan over artosis any day of the week t.b.h fa.m s.m.h.

Soma looking frosty after that game and Bisu looking like there is a foreign object in his rectum.

post more gookslags

wait, currents was BISU's pick? This was meant to be a prepared build? WTF

>>723232558
They cost too much and you NEED to upgrade that speed

>>723232360
Koreans probably pronounce it as bad.

>>723232558
or just use maelstrom so you're not spending the entire game kiting carriers away from devourers and instead using them to kill some fucking hatcheries

How long till we see mass ghost vs carrier?

I can barely focus and want to go to sleep, but with a game that crazy I want to keep watching. Fuck.

bisukeks in shambles
watch soma DEVOURER the snow next

DROBEWINSLOL

GET FUCKED PROBE

Bisubros....

>P bitch constantly they don't win as much
>pull shit like this
Have you considered they're all shitters?

Congratulations soma for becoming the ASL 20 champion.

protossbros, give bisu your energy.

i dont understand why Bisu always gets so nervous during the final rounds, dudes been doing this for 2 decades now :/

>>723232747
https://youtube.com/shorts/yxfSfogUxxQ?si=SjX4iw5N6wvzjlW-

fug a brodoss gorsair :D

>>723232825
>shitosis

So if Devourers gape the assholes of Corsairs this much how come we never see them on non-island maps?

>>723232882
Devourers are an expensive hive tech unit

>>723232882
Its a giant investment. Only worth it with carriers in the mix

Greater spire and all the upgrades and so on

maek moota

>>723232882
toss never makes enough corsairs to make them worth the investment. And in the island map bisu HAD to continue with corsairs to control the island expansions. In a normal map he would just stop making corsairs and go gatewayman.
They were this strong because he built 10 of them and could instantly pozz the entire corsair stack.

Manly toss plays

>>723232882
because by the time you have devourers you can also have defilers

>>723232882
They can quickly turn into expensive paperweights

>>723232882
zerg does not want to fight corsairs in air
mutas are only for sniping templars

>>723232882
Maelstrom should have been insta win for the protoss.

>>723232882
Tier 3 unit to counter a Tier 2 unit, scourges are more efficient

>>723232882
Most Brood War matches don't go into super-lategame.

>Become gatewayman
>Win

>Become gatewayman
>Lose

>Bisu is yet again trying to go for a 2 base all in kill
he's going to run out of minerals again, right

>Zerg getting zerg rushed by Protoss Zealots
Something very poetic about that.

Refuses to take a 3rd again baka

>>723233227
yeah, he needs to relax hes already ahead

bisubros, i dont feel so good

>listen up, tosstranny
>*stands in storm*

GAME SEVEN
>GAME SEVEN
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GAME SEVEN
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GAME SEVEN
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GAME SEVEN
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>GAME SEVEN

Game fucking seven

>>723233296
?

that second storm on stacked mutas + hydras was goat

Soma did NOT need to gg there.

Trust the Plan

>>723233353
nvm he fixed it

somerbros how we feeling

>>723233382
man he really had a severe glow down when he aged up

soma only needed to practice ZvP for a whole month he's going to STOMP the snow

I don't get how soma lost, lost too many drones?

>>723233512
didn't maek

Today's games have been some of the best across the top 8 and top 4. Really good games.

Do you think bisu knows maelstrom exists?

>>723233541
First match was ass.

>>723233512
same reason as before, forgot lurkers

>>723233506
I think he looks better.

litmus is too much zerg favored

bisu is sadly out

>>723233512
Yeah, lost too many drones and couldn't saturate his 3 bases.
Protoss can be pretty strong when doing 2 base all in. Of course, if he fails to kill at least one zerg base, protoss just mines out and dies, like in an earlier game today.

>>723233590
Lurkers take time and too many resources in a game like this

will we FINALLY see someone utilizing the two gases in Litmus or are they going to play it like a normal map again?

>>723233623
I'm actually okay with either advancing today. We've had great games and I like them both.
Would be a tragedy is Snow loses to either of them and be denied an ASL championship yet again.

>>723233571
I remember when dark archons were considered meme unit tier years ago

Do it soma finish it with a 9pool

>younger generation
>its literally the same generation

huh

CANNON RUSH

>>723233845
old gen = boxer, yellow etc early 2000s
new gen = dong, flash, etc late 2000s

GAS SHENANIGANS

No matter what happens this faggot caster will say "bisu is having a good game right now"

just walk in lmao

KEKEKEKEKEKKEE

ZERG RUSH!

DISASTAH

Oh no no no no

>>723233826
why did yo usay this

F U C K Z E R G
U
C
K
Z
E
R
G

MAEK!

LMFAO dying to lingrush best PvZ my ass

That sucked!

MAEK ZERGLING

>Victory by classic Zerg Rush
kek

>make lings
>win
It's that easy. You too can beat Bisu!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

xd

Protoss posters coping right now.
>just maek wall lul

UNIRONICALLY DIDN'T MAEK AND LOST!

You know, you could just make second cannon. We're talking about final game after all

>>723225521 (OP)
What a ridiculous ending omg I was hype for a big match

Yeah, I'm done with ASL.
Not even gonna bother watching the finals. I'm completely sick of zergniggers.

Well fug I guess that means Snow is in trouble

bisover

Snowkeks about to kick themselves over making fun of LightGODS
Light would have STOMPED this fledgling zerg

>>723234102
He didn't maek a full wall though

>>723234128
Faggot.

>>723234057
I thought it would be funny
It was

THANK YOU BASED SOMA FOR SAVING US FROM A PVP FINALS

nigga next time just put your zet on hold position

>>723234196
But what if that one Zealot was able to run to zerg's base and kill all the drobes?

>pulls 3 probes intead of 2 to hold the wall in game 4 (or something) to be safe
>doesnt pull any probes in the final game
wtf

>>723234151
prottoss can't make a good ling wall though

>>723234128
tossbaby too scared to watch snow melt LOL

Did simply should have had a stronger defense, he committed just a little too much to his expansion. Very difficult situation, took a gamble on game 7

>>723234245
Smug ECCO energy right here.

>>723234128
We need Flash to save the absolute dogshit state of the game, just force people to not cheese with his GOSU powers

>>723234249
yes they can (units are part of the wall)

thoughts?

Bugs, we're bugs; We're the bugs
we eat in space we stalk in space, we're the bugs!

ALRIGHT FAGGOTS
CALL IT
SNOW OR SOMA
WHO FUCKING WINS?????????

>maek anti zerg maps
>they end up being great for zerg
>another zerg in the final
>probably gonna win

lol

>>723234270
I mean so many game 7s end up being short because everyone is tired out and wants to close early. Playing defensive should be the standard strat in game 7 let the cannons do the work while your opponent just loses APM steam

>>723234351
Somaballs because Zerg > Toss

>>723234351
somer

>>723234351
Snow is gonna reabery Soma so fucking hard it's not even gonna be funny

We'll never ever have another P champion, right?
Next season soulkey will win again.
Even fucking mid tier shitters like soma can beat the best P in the world now.

>>723234351
Snow and it's not gonna be close

wheres the announcer girl???

>>723234351
tosskeks deserve to lose calling Light korean artosis

>>723234328
>>723234351
Snow really deserves it because of having the best micro in the scene but I don't think he can beat this kid.

>>723234376
>>723234396
>>723234407
>>723234424
My brain says Snow should win because he deserves it.
My heart wants Soma to win because it'd be the funniest shit ever.

>>723234419
>Next season soulkey will win again.
what a weird way to type Flash

>>723234419
>>Next season soulkey will win again.
soulkey doesnt seem really interested in grinding for the win anymore. He wanted to win to get more viewers, but not for just BW. But people only want him to play BW.

>>723234445
in my bed

>>723234445
soma gets to take her home

>>723234445
giving bisu a pityfuck

>>723234326
>yes they can (units are part of the wall)
i guess :/

>>723234419
best P in the world dont deserve to win because they dont work a fraction as hard as terrans except maybe snow
artosis works harder than some of these top 10 tossers

>>723234324
this was fucking funny lamo

>>723234419
>soma
>mid tier
wat? the guy is way better than sk and one of the best players overall

the group picks should've told you all you need to know about soma and how much the other players respect the guy

Alright, don't miss it faggots. It's a week + 4 days away.
October 26th, mark it down!

>>723234419
>Guys like effort and Soma running rampant in bracket all of a sudden
>Not having the winner privilege anymore to construct your dream pool
I think it's unlikely

kek
great pic

>>723234626
Artosis called it he knows the game better than anyone

>>723234419
Zerg is blatantly the best race if this game was played by anyone other than an incestuous bunch of gooks and 10 westerners they would realize it

Ensnare needs to be used more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OAysyrAw0

snow is too passive in the way he plays, bisu and best had way better chances of stopping soma, snow is gonna lose

>>723234831
>best micro in the world
>passive
sasuga retard kun?

>>723234764
That was common sense back when Starcraft first came out. It's why zerg was the most nerfed race and why most brood war units specifically counter zerg stuff.

>>723234764
bisu could have won already if he made 1 dark archon on the island map it's literally a skill issue as always
soma saw something unexpected and pulled out devourers and guardians
bisu just waffled with no backup plan and didnt expect game 7 to end despite tons of PvZ ending exactly like that

>>723225521 (OP)
When will Blizzard use the Starcraft IP in literally any genre but rts or moba.
Kill the koreans again by making a hero shooter using it or some shit.

>>723234951
There was another island map game this tournament and multiple dark archons were needed and I think they barely won. He was always going to lose, that map is heavily Zerg favored

that's it, i'm rooting for soma

>>723234906
>best micro in the world
Why do people keep saying that, Snow is borderline geriatric with this shuttle play, he just knows when to push with it

>>723235047
>hero shooter
A Battlefield or Enemy Territory clone with the Starcraft IP would be awesome.

>>723234906
it's true, the way snow plays is that he shaves off army over time while retaining his own, he usually is extremely careful and way less aggressive than most of the other toss

>>723234951
1 dark archon would not have changed the fact that Soma had the entire map, including Bisu's third at the left of the map.
He had enough money to rebuild his army 3 times.

>>723234328
>>723234351
snow is too strong
REEBA REEBA REEBA REEBA

>>723235130
yes games between professionals tend to be close thats why skill matters and that protoss won
>>723235320
one big fight going your way means you can snowball. tossers just cant accept its always skill issue and lack of hard work

fug

>>723235179
>geriatric with this shuttle play
literally the best in the world but ok

>>723235432
Protoss had the superior opener which is why they won, barely, in an even game state they would have lost easily which is what the map data suggests as Zerg is utterly dominating on roaring currents

>>723235304
What do you call 1 onos? Onos
What do you call multiple onos? Oh shit!
I loved that game but it died pretty quick

>>723235047
I heard Nexon acquired Starcraft license to make game(s?) for Blizzard but I wouldn't get my hopes up

>>723235592
because toss cant figure anything out unless flash decides to play the race for them

>>723234487
sk isn't charismatic enough for that, sea might be a shit player but he's super funny, that's why people like him

>>723235585
Best in the world cause they all retired though , Bisu, Stork, Reach, Violet. Flash needs to come back, he needs to force these shitters into long macro games once they realize that cheese broodwar is not a real thing.

Geriatric Broodwar is painful to watch.

>>723235047
>When will Blizzard use the Starcraft IP in literally any genre but rts or moba.
Hopefully never, nu-Blizzard is just a skinwalker.

>>723235801
Flash sucks ass

>>723225545
noooooooooooooonaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Post-stream Korea Time threads is when anons argue at length about anything. It's a time-honoured tradition.

>>723235756
Yes, thats the problem. SK wants to be a streamer that can stream anything. Charismatic streamers can do that, because people watch the stream for the streamer. SK is not charismatic, and people only watch because he's the strongest player. They come for his skill in BW, nothing else.

That's why I dont think he will practice for #1 anymore. He knows it wont get him the fandom he wants.

>>723235801
You are Literally a typical midwit foreigner who probably watches english stream (lol)
flash has stated Multiple times how unbelievable snow's reaver micro is while observing live

>>723235754
Flash is also getting dominated on roaring currents trying to find shit that actually beats Zerg he’s losing to amateur nobodies on ladder

>>723235848
Here's 3 hours of Flash shitting on everyone in the korean pro league while the commentators just laugh at how godlike he is. Shitters like Snow have 0 chance of beating Flash. These Tournaments are ASS when the good players like bisu and dong get nervous and flash is MIA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8itkYKUkds

Don't really want to see geriatric protoss man vs zerg cheeser.

>>723235994
>source: my bisu gaping butthole
skill issue

anyone got the build order 14cc flow chart for flash?

>>723236024
I could also just post survivor series where Zerg is dominating and flash keeps losing

>>723236089
>skill issue
For flash yeah, can’t win shit

>>723236024
As if flash would upload videos of him getting bodied? I saw Royal sweep everyone in a proleague once that shit don't mean anything statistics and data is more important.

>>723236115
ok shitosis

>>723236173
There are no such games. Flash always wins.

>>723236294
ok shitosis VIP chat

>>723236173
He uploads all the games baka

>>723234764
>highest skill ceiling race
>most micro intensive race
>most macro intensive race
>has the most exploitable weaknesses
>no wall-in
>a flying supply depot that is literally a free kill in every pvz
Zerg players are good now. A serious gaming AI playing perfectly would probably play best at Zerg yeah

>>723236650
Top 3 units in Starcraft are:
1. Mutalisk
2. Defiler
3. Zergling
Zerg also has the ability to instantly switch their unit composition due to the fact that they produce everything off hatchery.
If they had no weaknesses in exchange for that they'd never ever lose.

>>723236178
That’s what you sound like lmso he’s the biggest flash glazer on the planet pretending flash hasn’t been irrelevant for a decade

>>723236861
Blisteringly narrow minded view of balance.

How does eco work in StarCraft? How does unit production versus economy expansion work for Zerg compared to other races? How does Zerg fare in the matchup of t1 units? These are rhetorical questions.

>>723236861
1. vulture
2. mutalisk
3. siege tank
4. defiler

>>723236650
The skill ceiling is actually low as fuck because ZvZ is the most clown fiesta rock paper scissors fest in the game. It’s not so much Zerg players being good it’s more so everyone actually sucks. BW is just tekken 7 before the pakis came in and showed up all the Koreans and forced them to ACTUALLY get good

>>723237127
Zerg is favored in all of those situations.

>>723237215
How far down the list until you reach a Toss unit

>>723237359
10th place high templar
15th place reaver
everything else is at the dead bottom of the list, with only ghost, guardian and devourer ahead of them

>>723237315
Explain how, you can be as short as you like, but substantiate

>>723237463
sorry, I meant only those 3 units behind them

>>723237470
Zerg wins in an even game state and has the best unit in every stage of the game

>>723236650
>highest skill ceiling race
Terran
>most micro intensive race
Terran
>most macro intensive race
zerg, 4bases is legit cancerous, you don't even have enough hotkeys for your main units
>has the most exploitable weaknesses
Prottoss
>no wall-in
The best sim city out of all the races
>a flying supply depot that is literally a free kill in every pvz
A flying depot that can scout and gives you map control, literally impossible to kill until the middle game.

>>723236861
1. Siege Tank
2. Siege Tank
3. Siege Tank.

Defiler loses against the siege tank.

>>723236650
>a flying supply depot that is literally a free kill in every pvz
Corsair builds have been getting smoked all tournament even on the air map

>games done for the day
>liquipedia warriors who haven't played a single game in a decade coming out with their shit takes
every time

>>723237670
everyone is wrong, the game is balanced, zerg players are just naturally more skilled right

>>723237564
That's not an answer. What's an "even game state" in a game like StarCraft?

1. Eco situation and whether you need to expand or not. How is Zerg the best?

2. Economy expansion being dependent on larva, which also decide how many units you can produce. How is this a Zerg strength in the early game

>>723237670
>play game
>some eurogarbage cheese that goes 1.1.1 or some online build
>play another game
>some peruvian cheeser that lags

Yeah nah im cool, make a new starcraft and i'll play it. When is blizzard making SC2?

>>723237652
Skill issue.

>>723237670
Anon if you play the game your opinion is literally irrelevant and I’m not joking. The game’s pro meta is in a backwards spot because it’s played by a small circle. See
>>723237228
Any outside viewer can see Zerg winning everything, and point out yes this is broken. It’s tekken 7 pakis needing to show the Koreans that yes akuma and geese are fucking broken (they didn’t want to play meter characters) and yes kazumi and zafina were broken (they didn’t want to play female characters)

>>723237751
you should try it, SC2 has some first grade cheese like Oracle rush that cleans out your drobe lines faster than a reaver drop
widow mines are always hilarious, even better than spider mines
and if you like zerg it has the most cancerous unit ever invented in an RTS, the swarm host

>>723237797
From the people playing Protoss yeah they should just switch to Zerg because it’s the better race

Oh shit we're gonna hit bump limit. How many times has it happened this season? Surely this isn't the first, is it?

>>723237961
>SC2
No such thing

>>723237741
StarCraft is a real time strategy game. Emphasis on “real time”. Aka, if something can be done fast, that is an advantage. Zerg expands the fastest, it has advantage.

>>723237741
Zerg can expand and produce workers the fastest and also they have the ability to churn out units the fastest at the price of not producing workers at the same time. You scout and based on that you make the decision what to do.
What's even your point? You're complaining that you're not the best at everything at the same time? Fucking baby.

>>723236861
You could easily argue the greatest units are tank, vulture, sciene vessel

>>723237215
Vultures are just shitty zerglings

>>723238141
Don't forget the marine

>>723238117
>Zerg can expand and produce workers the fastest
Lie. T/P can pump out workers forever.

>>723238236
not six at a time

>>723238029
In TvZ early game has a very hard time surviving against muta rush. It's all about managing losses, because you will lose a ton of SCVs/marines no matter what. Late game you try to survive against defiler. You have a tiny window before he has lurkers to kill the zerg if he doesn't make any sunkens, but that's it.

In PvZ, early game you can get instantly destroyed by a 10+ ling rush, and 5 minutes later you can get hydra busted which is incredibly hard to defend against. And then late game you get rekt by defilers just as much as terran does.

Zerg expands the fastest, has the best economy, has the fastest unit production switching, (like from muta to hydra and back) and has a massive advantage in early game AND late game against both terran and protoss, with midgame barely breaking even. Could you tell me what disadvantages and weaknesses zerg has?

>>723238236
>A can do X the fastest
>nuh uh, B can do it the longest

>>723238263
>has a massive advantage in early game AND late game against both terran and protoss,

Zerg lategame sucks dick

Toss tears after they lose their best chance ever at taking an asl to another Zerg god are gonna be so delicious. I feel bad for Snow but since he's reppin Tossers he needs to go down

>>723238263
I am in agreement Zerg is blatantly the best. The comparisons are quite funny you see the Herculean effort it takes to stop a basic hydra bust compared to like two sunks ending the game against the equivalent from T or P.

Zergs actual disadvantage is the mirror is fucking stupid

>>723238396
tossers deserve it shittalking terrans like Light

Do people ever use dark archons in tournaments? I never got into multiplayer but I was always fond of mind controlling an enemy SCV/drone basically playing as a combination of two factions in Brood War singleplayer.

>>723238369
The defiler is the best unit in any rts game

>>723238452
it's a garbage unit m'fraid, zerd needs it to stay alive in the late game.

>>723238252
Lategame T/P doesn't need to do that and if they need more workers they can still make 3/4 at a time anyways, by then they'll be mined out and can just transfer workers as well. Z has the worst economy and the larva problem is the reason for that. Don't forget that X amount of larvas is also spent on overlords, T/P don't have that problem either

>>723238452
>cant even kill a medic
no

>>723238492
>overlords
>a weakness
A zerg can easily come back in the mid game if an entire stack of overlords exist any other race that loses that much supply buildings would instantly die

>>723238398
>The comparisons are quite funny you see the Herculean effort it takes to stop a basic hydra bust
That's nothing compared to stopping cannon/bunker rush or a simple marine rush, even the pros say it's practically impossible to stop and you need to be pro level to stop that. Zerg can't even sunken rush

Zergsisters... our response?

https://youtu.be/5lkn4m7Ytw4?si=ldZ2W5wGaPdO15q2

>>723238492
>your supply depot/pylon can fly, is a FREE DETECTOR and with a trivial amount of investment and drop 100 SUPPLIES OF UNITS into the enemy base without having to spend a fortune on dropship/shuttle
>b-but it can get killed (just like supply depots and pylons), so it sucks!

>>723238585
Ah, I see, that's why at asl-level tournaments we CONSTANTLY see zergs dying to cannon rushes and marine rushes while zergling rushes or hydra busts never happen, as evidenced today.
You fucking retard.

>>723238585
Stopping a hydra bust doesn’t insta win the game like stopping a cheese rush like those and when it comes to cheese all ins Zerg is still the best

>>723238561
But Z loses all the time from losing a few drones or a few overlords. P/T is nowhere that vulnerable. You see Terran/Protoss lose hts/corsairs/sciencevessels all the time and still end up winning. That's why you see every best Z just defend defend defend today because if they don't they lose. They always rely on defiler/ultras to win which is partly so they can grab more bases and make up for the lack of economy earlier in the game

>>723238703
T/P won all the time win those though, they got more cheese than Z does, it's just a fact.

>>723238585
You see like one single successful marine or cannon rush in a tournament (for this one it was Barracks against mini) meanwhile you see multiple successful hydra busts in one single BO7

Soma will avenge him

>>723238775
We did see numerous wins with dropships and valk rushes and those are still viable today

>>723238719
>You see Terran/Protoss lose hts/corsairs/sciencevessels all the time and still end up winning.
No, you literally don’t. In fact what you do see is one science vessel dying and the game being over.

The reason why you see Zerg defend defend defend is because they have the strongest race and an equal game state will naturally end with them winning.

>>723237995
we dont get BO7s and the hack cost a ton of users. I dropped 4chan except for BW

>>723238450
DA are used,but not a lot. They're only used to maelstrom a pack of mutas for easy storms. They're quite expensive, require even more tech to research when toss wants to get out a ton of HTs for storms. The fact they can set up a muta one-shot justifies the massive investment.
mind control is a meme and building up a second race is a bigger meme.

Artosis said terran weak and zerg defiler strong

lets ignore 20 years of history where BW was dominated by Terran players because B teamer shitters like Barracks and Rush are awful at the game.

Shitosis 40 year manchild logic.jpg

it's not me being shit at terran for 40 years. It's the others who are wrong.

>>723238884
>hack
I am a little concerned by how much personal data might've leaked. Despite the lack of account registrations, I'm sure stuff like IP address etc. etc. is now out in the wild.

Snow may be a god online but he always chokes on important leagues. Since it's PvZ his reaver magic won't save him

It's Snowver

>>723238860
Bisu lost 2 corsairs for no reason today and still win, did you even watch the games?

>The reason why you see Zerg defend defend defend
it's because they'd lose otherwise and this wasn't discovered by accident but through millions of games over 2 decades or so. Z used to play super aggro and mid game was all about hydra/lurker and hidden lurkers etc. Now Z defends and rushes hive because mid game Z is weaker than T/P

>>723238895
Yeah pretty much we ignore the history of plumbers and mailmen when the games meta was undeveloped

>>723238895
Artosis said Defiler is the most OP unit in any RTS ever and that Terran is overall the strongest but really hard to play well.
Both of those statements are true.

>>723239012
>they’d lose otherwise
Nope.
>bisu
Lost

>>723239012
Wow 2 entire corsairs?
Zerg can afford to continuously throw away groups of 6 mutalisks, and if every other group of mutas can kill a few tempars you automatically win with your hydra spam.

>>723238895
Again this is like tekken 7 Devil jin whining or some shit when it had one top player and meter fags like geese were shitting on everything. Your brain is poisoned by playing the same game too long

>>723239038
>Muh meta
Meta is the game outside of the game, aka preparing against you opponent. Terran has historically been the strongest most dominant bullshit Race when the game was alive.

Current day starcraft are just a bunch of geriatric retards playing horrendous games.

toss needs zealots, dragoons, and high templars to beat a hydra only comp

>>723239160
Z has 3 base, protoss has 2 base. 1 base ahead means you can lose more. It's why T can fight forever on 2 base as well even against 3-4 base zerg, it really just tilts way overboard when defilers/ultras enters the field just like I said.
Protoss/Terran has forgotten how to play late game macro and Snow has shown he understands the game on a level no other Protoss player did, except maybe Rain

>>723239012
>protoss and terran need to waste thousands of minerals on shitty cannons and turrets just not to die against hydras/mutas
>zerg player complaining that he managed to kill 2 corsairs and didn't immediately win off that

>>723239216
The same players exist anon, flash can’t win shit

>>723239274
Because zerg can instantly double expand and start the game with 3 bases while being almost impossible to punish, while for a protoss a nexus first into the natural has a 50:50 chance of instantly getting killed.

Automatically getting away with 1-2 more expansions than the other two races is part of the reason why Z is retardedly overpowered.

>>723239347
The same players but OLD. Quick reminder that Flash almost wonned ASL with random kek, that should tell you how garbage current day broodwar is.

>>723239285
>terran need to waste thousands of minerals on shitty cannons and turrets
Just stop. Turrets is the best anti-air defense in the game, they can be built anywhere and it only costs 75 minerals

>>723239358
>Because zerg can instantly double expand and start the game with 3 bases while being almost impossible to punish
>zergs learned how to deal with all the endless early game cheese from T/P
>this means Z is somehow better as a race
It's easy to learn to wall and where to build cannons/turrets btw, even noobs can learn that.

>>723239413
Anon, that’s a self own. Flash sucks and can’t win shit.

>>723239509
>learn to wall and build cannons and turrets
Something that Zerg does not need to do. The other races HAVE to do it because they instantly lose to 75 minerals worth of lings being inside their base let

>>723239565
well...yeah he can't win shit cause he doesn't play anymore... doesn't mean that terrans didn't dominate the game from begging to end.
>SlayerS_'BoxeR'
>IloveOOB
>Nada
>Flash

>>723238719
I have seen so many games lost because scourge kill a vessel

>>723239797
He does play and he does not win. Those other players also tried to play and stopped playing because they can not win. They are not good and were never good.

>>723239509
Yeah bro the game is sooooo balanced because while zerg starts with 3 bases for free, as a protoss you can wall in and desperately survive on your main base and natural for 10 minutes until you get high templars. Now the zerg has 4 bases for free and you can now can decide if you'll try to go for a third and let the zerg get 5 bases, or try to go 2 base all in and make a gamble trying to kill one of his expansions. So fair!

>>723239886
Tranny sharty argument detected. Got lost newfag? The slop thread is two blocks down

>>723239936
Way to announce your own post

>>723239797
Nada still plays he’s like a tier 3 player retard, tried to qualify for asl

>>723239902
And P has to win against T before they get a maxed out mech army, what's your point? P might be the weakest race but T is by far the strongest

>>723240073
Nah. Z has solved TvZ just like they solved PvZ.
A few years ago terran could defend against mutas with just marines. That no longer really works, you take crippling losses in SCVs and marines.
Valkys worked for a while, but now scourge micro will shoot them all down.
Today T almost always takes massive losses from mutas, and then usually dies when defilers come out.

>>723240259
I unironically think terran is weaker than Protoss nowadays. No real answers against Zerg. Mutas don’t insta end the game as badly as hydra busts do but the power spike T gets after surviving isn’t as good as rolling out with HTs

>>723240259
Flash will figure out more timing attacks and then the braindead T players just copies it and wins, same as it ever was

>>723240397
anon flash is never coming back..

>>723240505
He's broke and Starcraft is his only skill I think, he has to come back and win

it's cool that they support Starcraft, but do the fangirls even understand this game?

>>723240574
>He's broke
anon...

>>723240579
most of the front row fangirls are in starcraft college / university stream teams, basically e-thots who play starcraft

>>723240753
He threw away his money in some scams