Thread 723227803

>UGHH DUUDE YOU DONT HAVE TO FIGHT EVERYONE JUST LIKE IN THE ORIGINAL
sure strawman faggots. Except in the original there are like 30 encounters in total while in the remake ther are 300

Yeah im sure both those numbers are 99.9% correct.

I still don't get why they keep trying to "fix" the combat in Silent Hill. It doesn't need to be more involved and there doesn't need to be more of it. If anything Shattered Memories had the right idea by removing it entirely.

>>723227879
Not him, but if I recall correctly, the end screen of my sh2r playthrough showed I killed around 450 enemies

>>723228283
You can't take it out because everyone would complain, but improving it is retarded. It's almost like the entire series is a design failure.

>>723229413
>>723228283
>improving is retarded.

No it's just you. Just make a good combat system lol. Nicely animated melee combat with integrated physics, variety of weapons and more than THREE ENEMIES.

>>723229583
You're still describing shit combat. Nice animations and some physics don't make good combat.

>>723230036
Yes retard but it's miles better than the garbage you have now which has neither animations nor physics.

>>723228283
Shattered Memories is garbage only praised by people who don't like video games

>>723231250
you've never played a game that demands anything from the player in your life

>>723229583
SH1-3 had the perfect combat system.
The Call Of Fortnite generation just fails to understand that fighting shit may not be the #1 thing in all games, and that sometimes, the fact that combat is NOT effortless and flashy is the preferred way.

>>723231997
Myst is a shit game gramps. idk what to tell you

>>723232082
Yes, it's a typical trait of the neuro-atypical brainrot generation to not stick to the topic at hand, and generally have no actual arguments.

>>723232949
It dogshit, the combat elevates the game from just being a glorified tech demo, but I guess dangling keys in front of you is enough to keep you happy.

>>723233193
Define "tech demo".
Clearly, you are not even familiar with the plethora of genres where there are no combat, or it is a discouraged secondary aspect.

I bet you think that Street Fighter 2 has "bad combat" because you suck at it.

>>723233293
yeah, shit games exist I know

>>723233527
Seek medical aid.

>>723233673
I accept your concession

>>723234043
Still not sticking to the topic.
I am glad that we can all agree that Silent Hill 1-3 had superior gameplay and writing than any of this modern slop.

>>723234562
you brought up Street Fighter 2 even though it's not part of the discussion you fucking schizo

>>723234785
And you brought in MYST, which was never brought up anyone else than (You).
I suggest fixing your mental malfunction first, and then shitposting.

>>723234897
you're complaining about people shitting on the floor but you're more than happy to shit on the floor yourself

>>723227803 (OP)
SH2 was always an emo trip with zero difficulty. So yeah the remake got it right.

>>723235314
That's not how it works, kiddo.

>>723235608
No, it did not. Difficulty was never an argument. It's all the DEI shit, UE5 jank, and the complete, unironic recycling of the notorious SH:Homecoming x TLOU memes that people openly loathed already 2 decades ago, that drive SH fans up the wall.

>>723230393
It doesn't at all contribute to what Silent Hill is supposed to do. Turning the shit into RE4 is pointless.

>>723235856
uncs mad

>>723236275
Is this (You)?

>>723237028
>ad hominem
>no argument

>>723228283
>If anything Shattered Memories had the right idea by removing it entirely.
VN Hill 2 fags, everyone

>>723228283

that's your tastes talking bro, I can understand people saying bro this gameplay is boring

>>723240190
>there isn't a objectively right way to do shit
wow no shit sherlock

>>723227803 (OP)
ANON *dodge* I WOULD *dodge* *dodge* LOVE *dodge* TO ENJOY *pick ammo* YOUR *dodge* GAME *dodge* AND *dodge**dodge* INHALE *pick health* THAT *dodge* ATMOSPHERE *dodge**dodge* OF THE TOWN *dodge**dodge* BUT *dead to agro*

The prison into the labyrinth might be the worst pacing I've ever experienced in a game.

I said in an another thread that padding the game like this really shows how silly the item placement is in this game. Hundreds upon hundreds of health bottles and ammo in drawers and cupboards throughout the entire town due to the amount of encounters

>>723244845
It would have been okay if it wasn't for how brutal everything was leading into the prison to begin with. The game gives you zero fucking opportunity to breathe, it's just an absolutely brutal descent.

I've posted this before but after the dual fucking hospital sequence, the otherworld south vale needed zero enemies whatsoever, it should have served as a breather and they could have inserted some puzzle into that part if they wanted to. But the fact that it just keeps going, you leave the hospital and its just keeps going, then you enter the prison and its more and the labyrinth. Just a brutal stretch that is completely exhausting to play through

>>723227803 (OP)
Theres a reason why you can dodge attacks now, you dumb fuck.

>>723227803 (OP)
This nigga is having imaginary arguments on 4chan

>>723227803 (OP)
The saddest thing about this game is the moment you find out that all you need to do is use the pistol, 2 shots in each knee cap, switch to bat, bash in brains

That's it.

Even on nightmare mode the game becomes journalist mode.

They even reward you for how many kills you get ffs

>>723245669
>They even reward you for how many kills you get ffs
Certified Silent Hill fan moment

they either had to cut combat by 50% or add more enemy variety. Pick a lane.

>>723227803 (OP)
Shf is literally you fighting monsters and picking up combat load outs of Rabbit, Eagle, FuFu Clip
Then roundhouse kicking monsters

As bad as SH2R is it's clear from what shf is like what direction these retards want to take the franchise

>>723245669
>They even reward you for how many kills you get ffs
You mean just like in the original Silent Hill games? You do know that in order to get the 10 star ranking one of the criteria is to kill a certain number of enemies as well as how you kill them (gun or melee).
I personally prefer the original Silent Hill 2 over the remake but if you're going to criticize the game at least pretend to know what you're talking about.

>>723247102
>FuFu Clip
You're welcome

>>723248685
James is a mother f-ing commando in SH2R. You can take out every single enemy no problem. The only enemy who really causes you issues is retarded fat dude and portrait monster.

OG sh2 James is useless in combat and THATS the entire point. He isnt a Solider or a bare knuckle boxer. Hes useless with a gun and cant fight for shit. The game is more focused on you running away and organising how you deal with enemies.

Remake2 might as well have James screaming before each fight and then going super sien mode for his final form attack.
I was expected to see retarded shit like in RE4 were characters did suplex or hurricanranas on enemies

>>723245669
>They even reward you for how many kills you get ffs
Sounds SOVLful.

>>723251102
>OG sh2 James is useless in combat and THATS the entire point. He isnt a Solider or a bare knuckle boxer. Hes useless with a gun and cant fight for shit. The game is more focused on you running away and organising how you deal with enemies.
Certified Silent Hill fan moment. exhibit 2

>>723251102
>OG sh2 James is useless in combat and THATS the entire point.
Fuck are you talking about retard, the enemies just sit there and let you bash them to death in the og

>>723251102
Next you're going to say Silent Hill 2 is survival horror and you actually have to conserve ammo and health items.

>>723251102
>I was expected to see retarded shit like in RE4 were characters did suplex or hurricanranas on enemies
I wish. At least the game would be fun to play instead of the slog we got

>>723251867
I'll be honest. By the time I got to the new labyrinth section they added I was really sick of it all. That entire new section was completely pointless too

>>723227879
I killed nearly 400 fucking enemies in my 1. playthrough of the demake, you flaming fucking faggot

>>723227803 (OP)
Are we criticizing the remake for not being a walking (well, running) simulator like the original. That it has actual survival horror gameplay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fheI5jbIJw0

>>723251102
>James is a mother f-ing commando in SH2R
You had this retarded argument like a couple of days ago, shizo faggot. Nothing about the remake James is "commando," he is not rolling around breaking nonexistent necks of the mannequins. He is yelping, clearly disturbed by everything that attacks him. Side steps and awkwardly dives to dodge, haphazardly swinging his weapon. He has no trigger discipline, and the first time he aims his pistol, he accidentally discharges it.
Just like the last time, you enormous nigger faggot. The game being bloated, expanding all sections for combat to justify the 70$ asking price, does not morph the character into something he is desperately trying to pretend he is. By this point you can call any protagonist who knows how to operate a weapon more complex than a pistol might as well be a "commando" since your bar for this entry is simply being able to survive.

>Hes useless with a gun and cant fight for shit.
Oh shit, why the fuck am I typing all this? You are a faggot who hasn't played the original and probably the remake too. Watched chud core reviews on YouTube of both I presume.

>>723251102
SH2 James has marksman pin-point accuracy over any distance be it fog or complete darkness.

>>723253726
remake has souls combat, I don't like that

>>723253840
This. You literally can't even miss unless you aim in the opposite direction lol

>>723228283
The problem is gamers want to have fun, rather than be immersed hence survival horror becoming fighteverything horror. Blame RE4. Before that, survival horrors having shitty unpleasant combat that you avoided was a feature not a flaw.

>>723253628
They shouldn't have bothered, all they did was dumb it down for casuals

>>723254610
You are a zoomer who hasn't played any RE game before 4. In fact I doubt you even played 4.

>>723254853
The nurses in black that show up later on all covered in wetness

>>723255324
wow great argument
here's my retort: you will never be a woman

>>723254610
if this was true capcom wouldn't have made RE3 with a dodge button or dino crisis 2 which is literally a high score game with the ps1 resident evil engine/tank controls

>>723251742
This anon actually cuts to the heart of the issue. SH2R actually goes all out on survival horror design - more complicated levels to explore, more puzzles, more combat but also actual resource management. In the original you're swimming in hundreds of bullets, whereas in the remake you actually have to think a bit more about how and when you engage.
I think there's a lot that the remake does right here, but poor pacing almost destroys it. Much of the game feels like a slog because there's just too much there. Perhaps more notable, for fans especially, is the way that poor pacing affects the narrative. The original is propped up by it's story, but the delivery of it is watered down in the remake to make way for more gameplay. You would think this a positive, but it's all a balancing act.

Huh, I never knew so many anons got their opinions on silent hill 2 from watching speedruns.

>>723257818
"Silent Hill fan excited to play Silent Hill for the first time" is a meme for a reason

Eileen shaving

>>723262464
Never stop posting anon.

>>723251102
It's amazing to see how there is a stark contrast between someone who hasn't played the game (both Original and remake) and someone who has like this anon >>723256665
Out of all the criticisms you can throw at the remake you cannot say that the combat is worse compared to the original. Like the anon said the remake is actually more of a survival horror game than the original with actual challenging enemies that do more than shuffle towards you as well as including actual resource management to the game unlike the original. The biggest fault of the remake is the pacing. Although they did expand much of the areas including the town itself it does feel way to bloated in certain areas such as in the prison and in my opinion the inclusion of more puzzles is ok but many of them feel like padding rather than a proper puzzle. I'd also like to add that my biggest gripe with the game is the lack of and even removal of additional unlockable weapons. I don't see why they removed the Hyper Spray and decided to only keep the chainsaw, I also would've liked if they included even more unlockable weapons like how both SH1 and SH3 had (katana, rock drill, lightsaber, infinite ammo weapons). Even the fact that the removed the Extra puzzle difficulty along with not having certain puzzles be randomized like in the original (the safe code) was such a blow and takes away the re-playablity of the game. I was hoping that they would also release a Born From a Wish expansion considering they decided to add an easter egg interaction with Maria near the Baldwin Mansion but sadly they didn't do anything for the anniversary.

>>723265506
It's coming

>t. delusional

>>723265506
yes you can

>>723262464
Based

>>723227803 (OP)
I don't mind combat in horror games and the nurses are sexy

>>723256665
Saying that it almost destroys it may be a bit of a reach, but the game certainly could have been like 3 hours shorter for sure.

>>723269260
They for sure could have cut the myriads of: Find the valve and then spin it with a prompt sections. That's not fucking interactivity. This is Sony herpes.

>>723269709
The way I would do it would be to shorten otherworld hospital, remove enemies from otherworld south vale, shorten the prison and leave the rest as is

>>723227803 (OP)
It's funny how much this game makes you autists seethe

these threads got me to reinstall the game

>>723270817
God I fucking hope they do 1 justice

>>723245395
some areas wont allow you to advance unless you kill everything in the room though

>>723227803 (OP)
I'm playing Silent hill f right now and I'm on my hands and knees begging for the combat from this game

Silent Hill 2 has 103 enemies in the game.
Silent Hill 2 Remake has 389 enemies in the game.
Both SH2 and SH2R count enemies that are "killed" and then "revived" as different enemies.
The Silent Hill 2 Remake has almost 4x more enemies than the original Silent Hill 2 but features larger environments and greater maneuverability to compensate for it.
In both cases, the combat isn't necessary as the ones complaining about being pursued in the Silent Hill 2 Remake would similarly be complaining about being body-blocked in the Original Silent Hill 2.
If you feel compelled to fight every enemy, that's on you for your playstyle.

>>723227879
Yeah remake has you killing something like 400 enemies on a normal playthrough. In order to get the 10 stars in the original SH2 on its hardest difficulty you only needed to kill 150 enemies. Bloober went way overboard with the enemy count in the remake.

>>723245232
The road after the Hospital to the Prison is the worst offender to me, shit turned into Sekiro, I don'teven hate thecombat in SH2R I think it's tense and visceral but the enemy density was dogshit

>>723251102
>James is a mother f-ing commando in SH2R.
why do people keep spreadin this meme, he's like a caveman if anything, the way you people talk about him you'd think he was john wick in this game

>>723269260
3 hours? More. Cut the pointless new intro puzzle, cut the otherworld Apartment, cut that long ass stretch from the Hospital to the Historical Society, cut like one wing from the damn Prison, cut two of the Labyrinths

>>723272843
>In both cases, the combat isn't necessary as the ones complaining about being pursued in the Silent Hill 2 Remake
most enemies in SH2R can catch you actually, and you can't search a room with a nurse and a mannequin in/nearby

>>723273439
>most enemies in SH2R can catch you actually
No they can't. You can outrun everything pretty easily. It's not like shf where you have a tiny stamina bar and you can't dodge more than twice in a row without a massive cooldown.

>>723273538
maybe on the streets, im not buying that in the buildings though, at least not when you're not explicitly gunning for a crawl space

>>723272432
Are you talking about the red rooms?

>>723273538
blows my mind that we'reh ere moaning about SH2R combat when f fucking exists

the combat is better but there's just too much of it. The mannequins ambushing you gets to be comical by the end and nothing is scary by the time you reach the hotel. The prison might be the worst paced section in a game I've ever played

I like the sh2r combat for a horror game, but its a little too combat heavy for a silent hill game imo.
I dreaded every encounter even if the monsters weren't scary.

It shouldn't take 10 handgun shots to kill a nurse

>>723275726
self report

>>723275759
they have too much health

>>723276113
I mean they do, but if you shoot their legs they will fall on one knee and then you can beat them down

I have no played the remake yet

>>723276493
Do NOT play The Message no matter what you do.

>>723276493
DO play Short Message, P.T. and Book of Memories

>>723276493
Ranking SH is the most pointless thing ever, everyone will have 2 in S 1,3 and 4 under it with the shit ones after that much lower. Also Origins was derivative garbage, it should have stayed on PSP

>>723245665
As a matter of fact yes, his pyramid should be bullet proof.
But you should be able to kneecap him with a piece like that.

what the hell was The Message about? All I remember is people shitting on it.

>>723276813
>everyone will have 2 in S 1,3 and 4 under it
I wish 2 fags all had one big neck so I could put my hands around it and choke the living life out of all of them all at once

>>723277697
sometimes things are popular because they are good anon

>>723277816
Based SH2 Remake and f appreciator

>>723277964
Man I wish I liked f more than I did

>NOOOOOOOO, YOU CAN'T HAVE FIGHTS IN A HORROR GAME OR IT'S NOT SCARY

The OG Dead Space when it came out and the tunnels in stalker would disagree with you

>>723279226
the issue is that there isn't enough enemy variety and the combat is too shallow to carry an 18-20 hour game. Silent Hill was never a third person shooter action game and trying to turn it into one doesn't work.

>>723279351
it worked for me. The OG is fucking boring and carried heavily by the story and soundtrack. Now that they fixed the gameplay the game is now a 10/10

>>723265506
I've played the OG and the remake you fag. Try actually playing the game yourself rather than watching this on YT.
The OG had james be a bad aim and reload slowly.
Remake you just aim for the knees and fire 2-4 shots and then bash in the enemies skull

Stick to the latest god of war stuff kid

>>723279736
>The OG had james be a bad aim and reload slowly.
objectively false

>Remake you just aim for the knees and fire 2-4 shots and then bash in the enemies skull
Funnily enough James has to wait while aiming to even get any accuracy making it more in line with how you said he was in OG

There's more combat in the remake, but the combat is also way better, so whatever.

Can we just appreciate that enemies in Remake have visual cues for their attacks unlike the ones in f

>>723279736
I don't know if you've ever seen a gun in real life but aiming is not hard. even if you are untrained if you know how to use an iron sight you can easily kneecap a slowly walking nurse zombie

>>723235041
this is what most fights look like IRL actually

>>723280053
>Can we just appreciate that enemies in Remake have visual cues for their attacks unlike the ones in f
What did he meant by that

>>723277232
>>723245665
That part is a scripted sequence where you're supposed to run away from him and make him hit something. In the actual fights, shooting him in the head or the knees would have an actual effect.

>>723262464
Angela's nails

>>723279736
Saaaar

>>723279736
>The OG had james be a bad aim and reload slowly.
Certified Silent Hill fan moment. exhibit 3

>>723280147
enemies in f have 0 frame start up attacks from neutral, what's hard to understand

>>723280510
yes. he's just a regular wife guy. Not Leon Kennedy.

>>723280259
Amazing.

>>723280626
It's kind of poetic in a way that pre release everyone was like 'kekekekek bloober team *plays jerma clip 20 million times* and 'ryukichi BASEDDDDD f will have the best story in the series' and now it's out Remake got praised all over and almost everyone thinks f is disappointing and unfun to play

>>723272432
If by that you meant this >>723273752 where the dead enemies reanimate, killing enemies is not required to leave the room, it has a timer and the enemies die when it runs down, you just have to run.

>>723280665
SH1 man could beat Leon.

>>723280665
I've been interrupted in my reload loads of times in Remake I've never had that happen even once in OG

>>723280665
The game never explicitly states that he has no gun training. Hell, we don't even know his occupation he might have been a cop for all we know. Assuming that he doesn't know how to use a gun is retarded. but then again, guns are so fucking easy to use that you have kids stopping home intruders with the family rifle with a perfect headshot. I guess people really don't comprehend how easy it is to use guns and no horror doesn't mean you have to be a sissy fag who doesn't fight for their life.

>>723253628
Is James using a silencer on his pistol?

>>723227803 (OP)
Dogshit demake for the mentally illiterate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUZFsFYQkzw

>>723280626
What? They telegraph for several seconds, even more mid attack with the meme counter indicator

>>723281028
Well we don't know he was a receptionist working for his dad. Although what he did after we don't know except a brief glimpse of a cubicle.

I like both SH2 and the remake, just like how I enjoyed RE4 and it's remake too. That being said, any good mods out there that give Maria huge tits?

>>723281213
botgoy

I hired Heather to stare at you.

>>723281213
Install the nude mod to the characters. Then try your best to play it without laughing at the serious scenes

>demake
> serious scenes
no such thing

>>723281256
You're right, true Aryan chads hate everything and never have fun

Honestly I'm just happy knowing you guys hate everything and will never have fun. You are in a hell of your own making and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

>>723282382
Playing a dogshit demake doesn't make you interesting, it makes you a bot.

>>723282382
But the fact that you felt compelled to type this passive-aggressive zinger means that it actually irks you that there is a cabal of schizos dedicated to hating the remake on principle without even playing it.

I haven’t played SH2 since back when it came out, is it the remake worth playing? I’m not expecting it to top the original, but I would go in with an open mind.

>>723282425
Do you even like video games?

>>723282549
They've both good, the remake is definitely worth playing. It does some things better and some things worse than the original.

>>723282629
>Do you even like video games?
I love them, that's why i dislike UE5 experiences.

>>723282682
No you don't. You just repeat shit you've heard without thinking. People like you make me wonder if everyone is truly conscious, or just some of us are. Expedition 33 was an UE5. What did you think about that? or did you think at all and are just about to repeat some opinion to me you read on twitter?

>>723282549
The remake is OK. I played it this year and it's got nice graphics, james is abit more realistic, it keeps the original story and true endings with mary being dead at the back of the car, the town is nicely created, the nurses are sexy, the music is good.

Mary is changed a bit which I didnt like but I think they added more interactions.
Theres a new section called the labyrinth which REALLY drags on. You finish it and wonder wtf the point of it even was.
After that the final part is a long slog because the labyrinth section just added unnecessary bloat.

The remake is ok but it's a play once and then doubtful you'll bother again

>>723282886
>it's a play once and then doubtful you'll bother again
That goes for pretty much all horror games though. Probably why RE added a scoring system, so people would play it over and over.

>>723245665
how the fuck did they manage to make pyramid head look not scary?