Thread 723229097

Civilization VII is a financial failure, the game is already in thin fucking ice that desperately needs to regain some level of popularity, given that they already already had a round of layoffs and despite the latest patch being hailed as revolutionary and 'game-saving' by the youtube shills, the bump only lasted two weeks and the player count returned to being less than half of the 5th game...
And according to Datamine Leaks that already got soft confirmed as true thanks to Firaxis's incompetence, the next two DLC leaders are a muslim corsair woman called Sayyida al Hurra and a new zealander activist called Whina Cooper. They are DOUBLING DOWN on the Harriet Tubman-tier picks!

Has the UI been fixed (that is, entirely top to bottom done anew) yet?

>>723229210
Also, according to the Datamines, the new Civs will be:
Ottomans, Maori, Tonga, Pirate Republic, Iceland.

>>723229097 (OP)
How awful. Oh well, back to civ 4 I go.

lmao

Anyone dumb enough to be playing a game with a hexagon map deserves everything bad happening to them.

>>723229097 (OP)
They're on 7? I haven't played since the dumpster fire that was V.

The music is baffling, they gave modern russia the theme song from hunt for Red October

>>723229210
No, they just tweaked it a bit so that you could see some numbers. Not that it stopped the shills from calling it a great UI fix

>>723229701
Civ IV might overtake VII in 2026

>>723229097 (OP)
i mean they could make less shitty games for once

i dunno why they keep doing such a poor job, just make the game good

>>723229097 (OP)
The black woman dressed as a Mongolian in front of Mongolian men releasing just after Trump got into office, was at the height of popularity and before all of his controversies kneecapped the game.

>>723229097 (OP)
The West' mistake was to allow the third world into the internet and allowing them to buy our products. Video games used to be a first world hobby. Now every single company has to cater to these markets, that's why we have pajeets everywhere and totally irrelevant leaders/civs. Who the fuck cares about Indonesia or India?

>>723229701
It’s Civ V for me

>>723231717
About that

it's a fun civ and monetization has ruined it more than anything

people dont want dripfed content, they want a large meaty expansion pack with large meaty new gameplay options, and a large meaty portion of brand new civs. If you seperated civs and leaders you cant just do 50% new civs and 50% leaders, you now have to add the same number as both or people will feel choice is lacking

>>723229097 (OP)
>activist
>named Whina
What did they mean by this

>>723229338
This will be the first Civilization without Zulus or Aztecs, sad.
I was hoping they would introduce some interesting civ like the Soviet Union with Lenin, Mussolini, Sankara, Fidel Castro, Perón, Louverture or Israel, Iroquois, Bornu or North Korea.

I always thought Civ as a franchise was too big to fail, but I guess they managed to prove me wrong. I wonder if they'll abandon it or keep trying to claw back the playerbase.

>>723232770
I mean it basically is, the main reason civ 7 flopped is it’s not actually civ 7 it’s humankind 2

>>723232837
The reasons why Civ 7 flopped had nothing to do with humankind whatsoever

>>723232837
The Civ and Leader decoupling is not even in the Top 10 of shitty game design choices made in Civ7.

>>723234268
Wrong

Sorry I'm just never going to spend my money or more importantly my time on a game with:

>Forced civ switching mid-game
>Half the map doesn't physically exist at the start of the game
>Harriet Tubman and other bizarre leader or historical choices
>No unit stacking unless very some very specific conditions are met
>No workers, completely removing a large portion of gameplay with planning/protection/offensive balance

>>723229338
>iceland, pirate republic, tonga
>ottos not even part of the base game to begin with

DEI devs kill another franchise, what a surprise

>>723234359
It's not even an issue.
Anon is right it isn't even top 10 of the shittiest problems, which a majority of involve monetization, state of the UI, and the disaster class world gen.

>>723234835
>NOOO GANDHI IS A NOT A BIZARRE LEADER BUT TUBWOMAMME I DRAW LINE

>>723229097 (OP)
I'm real sad about Civ 7. I have 7800 hours in Civ 6, but Civ 7 just doesn't look nearly as fun to me. Shame.

>>723229338
By the way in the Lakshimballs reveal trailer, the Ottomans's crest were shown.

>>723229338
>>723234959
pirate republic is based and I am going to be playing a lot of archipelago maps

>>723230570
I am still actively playing CIV but I dont count into the numbers because i bought it before (yes i lost cds and am pirating now, doesnt matter, still not on steam)

>>723230570
>civ 4
the game given out for free 8 times over

>>723235219
That's right nigger, Gandhi is a staple of the franchise deal with it

>>723237382
they should do that with civ 7 then

>>723229097 (OP)
This game is such an abortion that Firaxis NEEDS to cut their loses and drop it right now and start working on a proper CIV game.

>>723237978
in like 10 years they probably eventually will

>>723238228
yeah but the game's already dead now
i think it's closer to 2027

>>723238330
you can buy it for 90% on sale like everyone else

>>723235219
>One is a peaceful LEADER of a movement known throughout the world for LEADING his country to indipendance
>One is some chick not really known outside of her country who ran escape route

Tubman would be a named legendary spy at best if this game wasn't full retard. Machevelli was also a dumb choice for a leader.

When people who played the Civ VII prelease and said "no one is going to go into your computer and uninstall the previous games so calm down" I knew it was gonna be horrible. No one ever says something like that unless they know it is bad.

>>723239614
the game based a leader around the migrant mechanic.
Harriet Tubman was a leader, and thematically fit with the migrant ability. Machevelli was chosen for the same reasons regarding city state diplomacy.
Your sperging about what meme historical civil rights activists are included on arbitrary grounds is rather hilarious.

>>723239847
That sounds even more retarded.

>>723240039
The leaders are detached from their civilization, while they obviously will synergize with the civilization they originate from they have to be created in mind to have a specific gameplay identity.

Really not sure where the malcontent here is. Just play Benjamin Franklin, and don't give me seethe about him next

I appreciate that with the Saudis taking over gaming we might have a pushback against the last of this ridiculousness. I had joked about Civ doing some dumb shit like running Eleanor Roosevelt or Woodrow Wilson's wife as a civ leader, then they went and made Tubbers it and showed the joke didn't go far enough.

>>723231450
We'll give a shit about India but on our terms. We like Gandhi, or maybe Ashoka, or Babur. We won't like some literally who whose solitary raison d'etre is REEEEE INGERLAND.

>>723240245
Well their game is detached from what fans want so they can enjoy the profits of that. >>723231893

>>723240546
>Well their game is detached from what fans
The issues with Civ 7 that made it unbuyable are not with the nation swapping/leader system.

You never played the game, and are repeating takes you hear someone said 7 months ago that you haven't changed the script on so of course you lack any understanding on that subject whatsoever.

>>723229097 (OP)
what did the game-saving patch "fix"?

>>723229097 (OP)
I'm glad this shit didn't turn into a culture war with people defending it to make the other side angry
civ 5 was also trash on release, not to this extent but it was really boring
I am probably coping but I hope the first dlc fixes it

>>723230570
>626 playing an hour ago
no way it's gonna be that bad

>>723240678
I mean it totally is coupled with that.
Much like Humankind it creates a dull game with seemingly no variance. Sure you "can" take a new civ to suit your current needs, but there's always just the best option on any path, much akin to science choice in previous games, but almost more rigid.
Plus the civ swapping is half the reason for the eras system, which is where the absolute bulk of the game's most egregious points stems from.

>>723241147
>but almost more rigid.
Nothing about the new system is more rigid, and this is how I know you're a beta basedboy bitch talking out your ass lmao
You've got the chance to change up your momento's and playstyle extra era giving you more mobility to maneuver however you see fit and adjust the game strategy towards it.
Civs in previous games were restricted to one era of relevancy and had nothing else in its toolkit. Here a leaders ability can synergize across numerous different civilizations throughout the ages.

Modern era civs actually are great in this, nothing like in the previous games where you've already beaten the game by the time any of your unique shit is online to play with and you're just going through next turn formality clicks.

>>723240678
The game failed because of the civ-switching AND because it was blatantly unfinished at release, maybe it could've weathered one but not both at the time

>>723241465
I'm happy for your ability to enjoy liquid shit and hope it brings you decades of enjoyment with the other five people who can stomach having shit reset every age on a horribly generated map.

>>723241659
>Failed because of the civ switching
Nope, and nationalists who don't even play civ games chimping about every personal historical slight in this system while saying the reason they won't play is "muhhh immersionnzz I wanna be Hitler from da barbarians to da death roobitz" believing they're the reason it failed is hilarious as well.

You are not going to sell a strategy game with a dogshit UI, tripled with it being forced as a day 1 console release leading to an unsatisfying system to navigate. It being the most mechanically, and feature complex civilization in the series combined with that tanked it's day 1 sales. Combine that with no huge maps, half the map types missing, no "One more turn" mode, and a plethora of other customization options on world start, resources being retarded for what they wanted, all shit that they managed to add back in some form mind you a few months later in free updates after the good will and damage was done because they put out an early access game and changed extra for early access to the early access.
It's content updates also monthly, with the 1 new leader, 1/2 new civs, and 1 new content also is cheeks, and gamers would've much preferred them to roll out a proper expansion like Gods n Kings did to fix Civ 5.

>>723241768
Exhibit of one of the many problems that go above "Changing civs" in civ 7. The game should've never launched in this state.

Holy crap a Civ 7 shill in the wild!

>>723242504
>anon states game is unbuyable
>other anon uses the word shill
Wow! Learn to read, and the definitions of the words you use!

>>723240678
>You have to buy the game to be able to criticize it
This isn't /tv/ mister marketer where you can have people ragewatch something. I'm not going to play a game that has mechanics I dislike, faction choices/designs I dislike. And when in civilization you regularly are dealing with faction leaders the choices matter.

>>723242703
Yes, you have to have personally played and experienced a videogames gameplay for me to take your opinion on the game seriously.

Just like I would laugh you out of the room for trying to give me the sparknotes on a book while expecting to get taken seriously.

>>723229701
Civ5 had more players than Civ6 for years

>>723242268
>Nope
Yes. It is literally the biggest thing everyone talked about and the most hated one. Everything else came after. Civ switching runs counter to the very core of Civilization's design philosophy, and that it not only got through the ideas stage, but that the team genuinely believed people would enjoy it, ESPECIALLY after Humankind already caught a shitload of hate for implementing something similar, shows just how out of touch the people in charge are both with the industry as well as the core values of the series as a whole.

The game as a load of other glaring issues that make it not worth playing, but by far the most talked about one is provably the Civ switching. There is no point in denying reality.

>>723242770
Did Civ 6 ever had less than 4 thousand players on Steam like 7 is doing? Did 6 ever had less players than IV?

>>723242848
>The thing normgroids who don't play strategy games and haven't touched a civilization games in years apart from that one time they did after they got the game from Epic for free or in a humble bundle
yes, the ones I give zero shits on their opinion of. The ones who have never played the very strategy game they're trying to tell me on how it is. Correct I don't give a fuck about them.

Those aren't the primary buyers of Civilization, whom were also given the middle finger in being sold an uncompleted game.

All the issues people pin on being related to civ changing are completely independent problems of civ changing in itself. Like the exploration era's economic victory being solely entrenched in colonizing the new content making no sense for multiplayer lobbies, and offered no solution to victory for people whose civs spawned in the new world.

All issues they fixed almost immediately that somehow two developers couldn't rub a braincell together to find out was an issue. Almost like they had no time before the game was rushed out unfinished.

>>723242760
Again mister marketer, your efforts much like your game has failed. If not a marketer then I imagine you are just someone desperate for attention such that you're going to pretend to be a shill for a game that is utterly disliked."You have to buy my game to criticize it" is a cute angle though. Won't get you anywhere but I like the audacity of it. If everyone did that then you'd go
>Lookit that our sales were great you're wrong the game is great
The audacity is something wild. I hate nazis but you're reminding me of that quote about 'gradually I began to hate them' for the shameless slipperiness.

Nevermind the fact that you can dislike parts but not all of what's wrong with the game. My issues with it do not detract from >>723242848 what this anon and others pointed out. Had those issues not existed then I might have been willing to stomach the bullshit, but just like with other game failures of late people underestimate the role that aesthetic design decisions do. I've been on the other side of the equation too - where I liked an aesthetic of something Pharaoh but the majority didn't and so the game did poorly. It's just something that happens, no need to take it personally unless you're an ideologue.

>>723242882
https://steamdb.info/app/289070/charts/#max
At max it does not dip below 25k.

https://steamdb.info/app/1295660/charts/#max
For civ 7.

>>723243323
buddy, I am not reading your wall of copium where you're misusing the word shill and marketing.
The game is unbuyable as it stands, and while a lot has been done to correct the issues it launched with not a single person should purchase this game for more than it's 10% sale price 6 years down the line as 2k hasn't done enough to earn it's audiences respect back.

Stop making up quotes nobody said in this thread. You're replying to my post and quoting nothing that was said within it.

Haven't touched civ 7 yet, but this looks very grim

>>723229097 (OP)
I COULDNT CARE ANY LESS FOR ANY LEADER THEY CHOOSE TO ADD, THE ONLY THING I GAVE A FUCK WAS TO PICK 1 CIVILISATION UNTIL THE END OF TIME, BUT THEIR EGO IS TOO HIGH, THEY CANT ACCEPT IT WAS A BAD DECISION TO FORCE CIVILISATION CHANGE EVERY ERA

EVERYONE WAS TELLING THEM THAT WHEN THEY REVEALED IT, AT ONE POINT YOU DO LIKE SONIC THE MOVIE AND GIVE WHAT YOUR AUDIENCE WANT, IM SURE BLACKROCK AND SWEET BABY TOLD THEM TO DO IT SO PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE ACCEPTING OF MULTICULTARISLM, YOU GOTTA ACCEPT USA HAVE TO CHANGE IF IT WANTS TO SURVIVE

>>723242268
Civ switching and the era mechanics have been the fundamental flaws that have made 7 unfixable.
It's removed the majority of the way people approach civ and how people play the game. It's too different from predecessors to still be Civ.

The whole point of civ is a >Civilization to stand the test of time
But you don't do that with civ swapping.
People like playing to their strengths and having a game plan and adapting to the world and other players and VII effectively doesn't give you any of that.

They wanted to make it so people could "finish" games but that just made it worse and a different game.

>>723244079
>The whole point of civ is a >Civilization to stand the test of time
holy fucking cringe
when you get out of classical era in any previous civ you stop being rome, and you become every other fuckboy in your game because you have nothing left special worth shit..
>People like playing to their strengths and having a game plan and adapting to the world and other players and VII effectively doesn't give you any of that.
You
Did
Not
Play
The
Game

>>723239847
>Your sperging
Not sperging. Me not buying.

>>723229097 (OP)
>George Washington replaced by Michelle Obama
Lmao I’m not gonna play.

>>723244330
correct, you should not buy the game that's exactly what I said from post 1

>>723240245
>we have made up a gay excuse to cram more nogs into the game, so now you have to like it
That's not how it works. Worry about your job instead of posting gay shit.

>>723244289
nta but, get a real job.

>>723229338
Pirate Republic is a cool idea, too bad it's in a comically bad game that nobody will ever play

>>723232703
Monty and Shaka are civ core and loved by the community who are these people even making VII for I don’t get it

>>723244406
>Europeans/USA make up 40% of Leaders in Civ 7
>Only made up 38% of leaders in Civ 4

sorry anon, I think you're retarded

>>723244289
Duh, why would anyone play the game if they watched the trailer or know anything about the game?

>>723245021
Forgot to mention I wasn't counting Harriet Tubman as USA before you get your panties in a knot Nathaniel Bedford

>>723240812
civ4 is last civ released pre steam and complete edition is on GOG for like 5$, also for some reason Steam stats from all expansions and base game are counted separately

>>723245278
Civ 7 is on every console if you're really tryna count steam charts

>>723245278
civ4 is so bad ive just tried pies ancient europe mod but its TRASH. its SHIT
colonization is alright

>>723245480
>implying console babies play civ

>>723245480
atleast add all steam stats next time if you gonna quote muh stats, also vast majority of PC players bought Civ4 outside of Steam so its still very unfair comparison with a game released on PC only through steam.