Thread 723241531

What are your opinions based on what we have seen so far? I'm not liking the open field approach and the Ninja Style to be honest.

>>723241531 (OP)
Disappointed that they didn't try to revamp the loot system. While I don't think it actively ruins the game or anything, the somewhat pointless loot is easily the weakest part of the franchise. There really is no reason to look at gear beyond the main damage/armour stat prior to NG+3 or whenever you start to drop items with grace set bonus or stats with the star symbol next to them.

>>723241531 (OP)
their last few games were really disappointing so i'll keep my distance
maybe if its properly optimized (lmao) and i can get it for under $30

>>723241531 (OP)
I don't know, it's just kinda sad that they had to pivot back to Nioh after everything else they've made since 2 flopped.
Definitely not day 1, I'll wait for reviews and gameplay videos.

Considering everything they have done lately other than Nioh 2 has been either bad or mid. I fully expect them to fuck this game up as well. Probably great combat but the world and everything other combat being shit.

>>723242464
>since 2 flopped
How did Nioh 2 flop exactly?

>>723243372
Read the whole sentence dude

>everything else they've made since 2 flopped.

The anon try to say all the games after Nioh 2 are flops

Since this is a Nioh thread, might as well talk about SoP. I've started it a few days ago and just beat Ifrit/Shiva. What is the correct gameplay to boss fights? They're so aggressive and most combo abilities or class abilities are just too slow, often you can barely do 2 basic hits, making them unnecessarily long fights IMO. From what I've unlocked, the paths I've seen is either Swordknight with auto-parry, Paladin with reflect-block and being a passive bitch waiting for the boss to kill himself, not my style and probably too slow, which is my issue, at least early games anyway. Those or being a Caster cuckold. The general speed of attacks and dodge feel too slow to properly play aggressive compared to Nioh 2. There is also the issue of allies messing with the enemies targetting, which throws me off often enough, but I'm not going to ditch them for boss fights, at least not for 1st playthrough anyway.
I like the weakness system and combo strings, though so far I'm just unga-bunga'ing with a guaranteed knockdown ability for normal fights, and I'd imagine it'll be just like Nioh where the combat degenerates into spamming the same attack over and over. I'm prioritizing equips with the basic stats, Str/Agi/Int/Res, as I assume they have a good weight on the damage formulas. What are the must have buffs to use?

>>723243929
You are right, I was careless.

>>723241531 (OP)
I hate the stupid mode switching which the entire game seems to be designed around. Probably yet another Team Ninja game I'm gonna skip sadly. Rise of the Ronin and Ching Chang both sucked balls.

I actually liked the “open field” approach in the demo. It avoided all the pitfalls of most open world games, it really just felt like big Nioh mission. Basically just like if there was 2 or 3 missions that led to same end boss, and you can choose to do 1-3 of them. And considering how often Nioh blatantly re-used mission areas for side quests there’s really no downgrade there either.

I am curious if it can hold up for whole game though. Games very often front load their best bits, so I’m kind of expecting late game zones to be barren open fields with very little level design. But we’ll see.

Ninja mode is cool…. But if it means losing stances for half the weapons then it absolutely was not worth it. My biggest complaint about demo was making martial arts have awful direction-based inputs since it made using them while moving impossible (or accidentally doing one when you wanted to just do a regular attack) but apparently they said they are changing this, so I guess I wasn’t only person who complained on survey.

>>723241531 (OP)
I pre-ordered Nioh 3 Digital Deluxe Edition on Steam. I love how Nioh 3 is massively reducing the RPG elements and massively increasing the ACTION elements of the Nioh formula. Team Ninja is taking a huge shit in the mouth of all the Nioh 2 subhuman fanboys who claimed for years that "Nioh 2 perfected the Nioh formula". Imagine getting refuted and BTFO'd by the developers themselves, it is so humiliating for them.

>Leveling up attributes reduced and the weapon scalings simplified
>The amount of returning Nioh 2 dedicated Samurai weapons with weapon stances system reduced to only 7 from 11.
>All the new dedicated Ninja Style weapons are Ninja Gaiden inspired and focus heavily on action and aerial movement.
>Switching between Samurai Style and Ninja Style is completely optional
>Ninja Style can dispel Yokai Realm
>Team Ninja confirmed you can beat the entire game as a Ninja Style purist
>Onmyo magic completely gutted and simplified
>Living Weapons are back and stronger than ever

I can't wait to enjoy Nioh 3, the game that made Nioh 2 irrelevant and avenged Nioh 1 bros. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, Team Ninja.

>>723244639
Nioh level design is very consistent from start to finish. If anything, they tend to save the best for the last.

>>723243979
You can play plenty aggressive in SoP, I'm not sure what you mean by slow. Daggers and fists are very speedy so maybe try those out. I recommend playing the game solo as well. STR is for physical hp damage while AGI does better break damage and more crits I think. INT affects elemental damage, you can look at what each combo ability uses and I think the game has a section where it tells you what all the stats do. Your three main defensive options are soul guards, parries (timed blocks), and dodges. You can switch to your second job if you're low on break gauge because each job has a second bar. Each weapon has an "after parry" combo ability that I recommend making use of. Like for katana, you can set Garo as the after parry ability and then immediately go into a senshin stance combo after parrying. Later on, you can get skills that restore MP/HP after parrying which is very good as well. I think Knight has some HP healing in it's tree by default.

>>723241531 (OP)
Ninja style is ok as an accessibility option that shouldn't be used by the real gamers. Ninja weapons never deserved the 3 stances to begin with.
Open field is ok.
Simplified level design of Crucibles is bad.
Ugly graphics and shit performance are bad.
Low difficulty that was reduced even more after the alpha feedback is bad.

>>723245935
It's not an accessibility option, it's just another play-style.

>>723245935
>Simplified level design of Crucibles is bad.
>Ugly graphics and shit performance are bad.
>Low difficulty that was reduced even more after the alpha feedback is bad.
It is over.

>>723243979
>using allies

ditch those fuckers. As for how to approach bosses, the typical thing to do is to wait for them to attack and then dodge/block and then attack yourself, and return yourself to neutral before they attack again, so you can properly react.

To solve your slow attack problem, there are lots of ways to speed it up. The number one way is that you can canceling your skill attacks by chain cancelling them (changing jobs). After blocking or soul shielding or even chain cancelling, you can press forward and attack to near instantly start attacking. Use lightbringer to not only get iframes and restore your break gauge, but to use it as another cancel option. Also further in the game you can start stacking haste, which among the other broken things in the game, reaaaaaaally makes your more effective in combat.

>>723246949
A ninja with void knight's auto-haste affinity is what I favored but he's probably too early in the game to build for that..

>>723245469
>>723246949
Thanks lads. I actually knew most of these stuffs, as I did in fact not skip the hints stuff, even went to that menu myself, except for these which are new for me:
>skill attacks by chain cancelling them (changing jobs)
Though the canceling was only through Soul Shield's copied abilities
>lightbringer to restore break gauge
Granted I don't have Break issues so far, but good to know.
>>723247332
Yeah, probably going to take me 2 to 4 main missions to unlock VK. I don't even know where to start for the Ninja unlock, probably through Thief.

Guess I just need to play more to download the game properly. Had the same issue with Doom Eternal, got my shit slapped until I completely understood the flow of things then it became easy and smooth real fast.

>>723248019
oh yea I forgot about copy abilities, they are more niche but yea, any ability you copy you can instantly chain into from any attack. There's also a job that specializes in that but I just double up on fists

>>723248019
For your first play-through, just focus on leveling each job and unlocking them all as you go. They all have combo and command abilities that are usable across every job so there's no reason not to. You don't really get into all the build making stuff until a lot later. The fire/ice blob boss is one of the worst bosses in the game by the way. There's some much better ones later.

>>723248854
Yeah, I'm doing just that, leveling just enough to reach the unlocks then moving to the next job. Having some affinity also let's me level multiple jobs, so I'm also prioritizing that on my gear. I mentioned VK just because the name caught my attention while going through the trees, lel.

What's next, a beta?

>>723241531 (OP)
Since I've actually played the game I know that the open field and Ninja style are both implemented extremely well and will introduce a brand new degree of depth and options to the series, no matter what schizo doomposters want to frame or gaslight on.
>>723248019
Spend your Anima Shards. Levelling and unlocking jobs is effortless through the amount of Anima Shards you get from dismantling all the accessories you find. You should have auto-dismantle on to dump everything just below the level of the mission you're on. As said, get used to Chain Cancel to significantly open up the flow of the game and combat, holding a direction when doing it adds a dash for mobility. Attacking after Soul Shield is significantly faster, landing later Combo Abilities in your string on bosses are a matter of setting them up either via positioning or staggering from breaking weakpoints, but you always have access to directional attacks and After Parry abilities. The sooner you learn to weave Parries in with Soul Shields the better. You can also cancel animations at any time with Command Abilities, which includes Lightbringer, but that specifically can also cancel the Break state in a pinch.

>>723250695
nta but I barely used parry, it's just not as good as soul shielding. It's just an excuse to add another skill into your movelist

>>723241531 (OP)
Easy flop of the year 2026

>>723242003
Diablo loots works really well in nioh
Maybe you don't like it because you mostly play ng and move on but this shit+underworld is the reason why i played this game so much
Removing diablo loot is like removing rng drop from monster hunter

>>723251371
Fist really turn this game into a 3d beatemup

>>723241531 (OP)
It looks like absolute kino. Replaying nioh 2 in anticipation though I'll be enjoying ng4 next week. I trust the devs but I hope their marketing gets better and gameplay footage is done by someone who's good at nioh 3 and can show off the features instead of retarded nips who can't even ki pulse.

>>723251769
This desu. Just add more interesting affixes and more active skill set bonuses that provide good synergy like affinity bonuses in sop.

>>723251371
shield is a very limited mechanic and you need to be able to use the timed parry to get the most out of these weapons really

Also fuck Nioh 3 I think I'm just going to replay SoP

>>723251371
Only in the first playthrough does Soul Shield overshadow it due to Break management being more forgiving, but even then having direct access to an immediate Combo Ability punish is extremely effective. It only gets far better when Break becomes more important to manage since you don't spend any on it, it gives a Break recovery speed buff and you can add several other buffs for HP, MP and damage from Parrying thanks to Jobs or gear/Master Point effects.

They need to add the romance system from Rise of the Ronin but make it actually good and it'll be GOTY

>>723252081
They made decent nioh3 website atleast but i hope they don't hire some ign game journalist for their gameplay showcase
Hire someone like this dude
https://youtu.be/Yf1bCGQ48c4?si=dZe9QEnucASZGWH4

>>723241531 (OP)
meh

>>723252532
Lasttoload will just break the game before release but his footage would be fantastic and lulz worthy. He'd juggle some gaki in samurai style for 5 min straight

>>723251769
>Diablo loots works really well in nioh
it doesn't
the idea is not bad, but the implementation is

>>723241531 (OP)
>mfw never used any of the weapons that got ninja'd anyway
I can just not use ninja.

>>723241531 (OP)
Pretty sure they made all my main weapons from 2 into Ninja only weapons so I'm going to cautiously keep an eye on it. Not a big fan of it's ghetto "totally not" open world, the ninja/samurai system and the last few releases from them have been mid at best.

>>723241531 (OP)
Didn't like Wo Long and Didn't like RoTR. This reeks of both games.

>>723241531 (OP)
I'm just glad that PC is getting a simultaneous release this time

>>723241531 (OP)
I just hope it has Nioh 2 style end game and not SoP or lack of like RoR.

>>723253439
>I'm just glad that PC is getting a simultaneous release this time
This ended up being disaster for wo long unfortunately

>>723253548
I hope for something more like sop but any should be good.

>>723253769
It doesn't really matter, Koei Tecmo always screws up the PC releases of their games.

>>723241531 (OP)
>What are your opinions based on what we have seen so far?
/v/ is now ran by what appears to be a poojeet mafia. Their current narritive is that nioh games are bad and only dark souls 3 and elden ring are the gold standard of rollslop.

>>723253918
I got a new pc so I can brute force it but the game will definitely catch shit for performance on release.

>>723253879
The rift didn't really vibe with me, stopped doing it around 70. I just wanted to jump in and kill shit and then a boss like in the crucible.

>>723254251
What I liked about rifts was random modifiers that could just ruin my day. On top of that how the instances were small and didn't feel like a 1:1 of the original levels like underworld with some enemy mix ups. I do like underworld but I'd enjoy it more if it wasn't just the exact same level layouts

>>723241531 (OP)
The open field seems like an interesting concept but I'm cautiously optimistic about it at best. Not a fan of samurai style losing entire weapon types to ninja style. I could easily ignore ninja style entirely if they didn't lock weapons behind that shit.

>>723251371
Parrying is very good for the combo ability counter alone but it's also very good for hp/mp restoration affects activated by parrying. It's very strong for jobs like samurai and knight. Each defensive option is good and has it's while it also depends on what job you're using and how you're building them. Dodging play-styles are very good on some job setups for example.

When I played the first game I thought it was pretty good, but hated the loot shit, and I do mean I thoroughly hate it. The second game I was perplexed they managed to improve the gameplay so much, there's just so much depth to everything, but they still managed the continue with the loot shit. God I fucking hate having to select what I want to buy and what may be worth keeping, but anyway I just deal with it as I was enjoying the game. Then I played Ronin, and I just hated the open world, I absolutely can't stand it, I didn't even give it a big chance to be honest, maybe it gets better but I just don't care enough to even deal with it. If the third Nioh is open world like Ronin I won't even give it a chance, fuck this shit. The level design in Nioh isn't as bad as people say but it certainly isn't great either, if they make it open world it's officially down the shitter and virtually no level design.

>>723254720
>If the third Nioh is open world like Ronin I won't even give it a chance
It's not. It's basically larger, more open Nioh levels. I would still prefer the normal missions

>>723254959
Nta but if there's a good quantity and variety of these areas + good enemy density then I'm sold

>>723255142
Remains to be seen, so far we've only seen the one area from the demo

>>723242003
there is literally nothing wrong with team ninjas loot system and on fact its quiet the opposite and the system is actually really well done.
I do hope you faggots never stop crying about it dough.

>different gear sets for samurai/ninja
Hell yeah even more grinding

>>723255250
The snowy area we saw in TGS didn't look that great just because we barely saw any enemies imo

>>723246695
>watch webm
>realize that nioh 4 must be arpg like poe
I think it will be improvement because so far after Nioh 2 they completely failed all their action games, it's time to embrace new genre

>>723255725
Oh yeah I forgot about that. God, why did they decide to let a complete shitter showcase the game on their official stream

>>723241531 (OP)
i liked 2 but all the gear upgrading was so complicated. sadly i got filtered cause my gf doesnt like it cause we die too much

>>723255709
you mean just like the previous games? only difference now is now you dont have to use a book of incarceration and reset your load out every time you feel like playing one or the other.

>>723255883
Yeah that was also a mistake. They need an equivalent of the dude who plays ninja gaiden 4 for marketing footage. Or even one of the long time nioh youtubers.

>>723255904
>gf
your butt buddy will never be a woman

>>723255904
Get a gf who isn't a shitter

>>723242003
While i dislike the loot system, my friend and quite a sizeable part of the fans like it, so i understand why it doesnt get changed much.

How's the coop going to work since this one is open world?

>>723256528
It's not

>>723256528
Works the same as 2

>>723256528
ITS NOT
FUCKING
OPEN
WORLD

>>723256528
it'll work if I allow it to and if you are playing the game to my personal dogma

>>723241531 (OP)
I was very excited when it was announced but months of shitposting and doomposting convinced me that this game will be bad and I'm not excited anymore. Congratulations /v/, you've won. I'll probably buy some FOTM slop or drop $200 on some gacha instead since this is what you think is best.

Janomecho wife

>>723256598
>>723257459
Proofs?

>>723257459
>>723256598
>>723256961
But they said it was

>>723258223
Play the demo on ps5

Played and greatly enjoyed the demo. Felt a moment of genuine dread when they introduced the swap mechanic for archetypes then it passed as soon as I found you didn't actually have to swap each parry and that it was a choice.

I enjoy every aspect of Nioh and I'm going to enjoy this, this will be my GOTY and keep me very occupied until GTA6 and after once I'm bored staring at whatever their equivalent of shrinking horse balls and mud physics is.

>>723258571
>Demo
So no proofs

>>723255961
My only issue with Nioh is grinding for ethereals. Forging can't make them so you have to farm for them or you need inheritance which was way, way too rare. Took way too much time. You can see all the build potential but it's too much effort to get it. Hopefully they just let you of craft ethereals and select graces or at least make it easier to farm them. Farming for a Yaksani Magatama with the right grace shouldn't be a thing. Just let me pick the grace or make it something I can reasonably pay to change.

Explain the "open field" to me

>>723258935
its like a field, but its open

Historyfags, give me the qrd in Takeda Shingen. All I know about him is that he btfo's Oda Nobunaga at some point.

>>723259212
Is it still mission structure but the missions are more open or what?

>>723258213
...that's a boy

>>723259372
i dunno i don't play nioh

>>723259372
Nope, it is open-world slop.

>>723259446
Damn, you should

>>723259481
Good. I like open world.

>>723259432
Where did this meme come from? You can look up her skirt using the photo mode and see panties with no visible bulge. It's a girl. Always has been. Always will be.

I hope we get combat or platforming trials

>>723259372
It's like Mario 64 or Mario Odyssey where all the objectives of all the missions in one region are located in one giant map. The same way Oddessy has a ton of different power moons you can get in one world, Nioh 3 lets you do all the missions all at once.

>>723258223
>>723258470
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/nioh-3-is-an-open-field-game-not-open-world-the-developers-explain-why/

>>723260128
I'm not reading that

>>723258935
It's just more structured open areas that are generally smaller and more dense with stuff. Essentially what Elden Ring did and not a "sandbox" style open world like what a lot of western games use. From the alpha, the scale of the open fields seem smaller and even more dense than ER but I can't say for sure how big the entire map of the full game will be. It also has main mission levels built into the world itself which is are essentially the main missions of the previous Nioh games.

>>723260128
>game opens up after the demo area

SO IT IS AN OPEN WORLD GAME AND THE DEMO AREA IS JUST THE FUCKING GREAT PLATEAU

>>723262762
Either you can't read or you don't know what open world means. I'm guessing both

>>723260128
>>723262762
>>723262853
It isn't open-world. It "opens up" by becoming literally linear hallways to linear structured levels/castles, lol.

Team Ninja is trying to scam open-world idiots out of their money.

>>723241531 (OP)
alpha was great and it seems like they're addressing most of my issues with it. it sucks people lack an open mind when it comes to the changes though. I probably wont get it at launch since we have no idea how the pc performance will be

>>723246695

>>723263779
>I probably wont get it at launch since we have no idea how the pc performance will be
yeah, they usually had a year or so after the console launch to tune PC performance.

let's just hope it's not rubbish so i can play it early

>>723263690
Where's this map from? I don't remember it being in the alpha demo

>>723264042
people managed to get out of bounds

>>723263779
That webm proves me right. In Nioh 1 they actually attack you and target you, the player uses parries, attacks etc. to manage the situation and beat them. In the Nioh 3 webm, they attack empty air, stand around, do nothing.

I am going to fuck the fish