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Anonymous No.723254691 >>723254945 >>723255390 >>723255547 >>723255717 >>723256223 >>723256489 >>723256542 >>723256829 >>723256974 >>723256998 >>723257082 >>723257690 >>723257804 >>723257870 >>723257931 >>723258134 >>723258394 >>723261192 >>723261657 >>723261937 >>723262165 >>723262787 >>723263028 >>723263248 >>723264171 >>723264196 >>723265037 >>723265235 >>723265918 >>723266209 >>723266249 >>723267948 >>723268218 >>723268662 >>723268728 >>723269162 >>723269898 >>723271006 >>723275150 >>723275303 >>723275390 >>723275654 >>723275769 >>723275870 >>723276129 >>723276624 >>723276821 >>723277045 >>723277230 >>723277983 >>723278518
Who is more to blame for the state of Pokemon games?
Anonymous No.723254945
>>723254691 (OP)
Nintendo
Anonymous No.723254963 >>723257167
Nintendo for allowing it. Gamefreak for embezzling the budget and developing a minimum viable product. And, most importantly, the tendie cult for actually spending money on this shit.
Anonymous No.723255136
Smarru Japaneseu penisu isu to brame, so solly for smarru penisu. If onry we had big penisu rike you Amelican, we courd make much better gameu. Amelican penisu so big! So vely big!
Anonymous No.723255390
>>723254691 (OP)
the consoomers.
It's the same for Minecraft, Sonic, Monster Hunter, CoD
Anonymous No.723255547 >>723255821 >>723255926 >>723264192 >>723264845 >>723264858 >>723267524 >>723271334 >>723276387
>>723254691 (OP)
Pokemon fans.
Anonymous No.723255717
>>723254691 (OP)
Game Freak is solely responsible for Pokemon video games.
Game Freak owns TPC together with Nintendo and Creatures.
Anonymous No.723255821 >>723256413 >>723257004
>>723255547
>Comparing human NPCs to digital monsters
Anonymous No.723255926 >>723264305
>>723255547
>characters
who cares
which one has hotter tameable creatures
Anonymous No.723256223 >>723262940
>>723254691 (OP)
Both of them, one can't adapt to current technologies, and the other one is ok with that.
There must be legal reasons why Nintendo doesn't decide to fire them or terminate their contract with them, but we won't know it until it happens.
Anonymous No.723256413 >>723257103 >>723257916 >>723263716 >>723264192 >>723264297 >>723271071
>>723255821
Better?
Anonymous No.723256489
>>723254691 (OP)
nintard manchildren (aka pokemanchildren)
Anonymous No.723256542
>>723254691 (OP)
The Pokemon Company
Anonymous No.723256829 >>723257703 >>723276180
>>723254691 (OP)
GameFreak by far, not only they have remained incredibly incompetent for decades, but even according to Nintendo, they actively refuse outside help to develop their games, and Nintendo even had to apologize after SV's release because they had to acknowledge how bad the games initially ran. There's so much Nintendo can do to sway the development process when GameFreak owns a third of the Pokemon franchise and they can be as lazy as they want, so long as Pokemon remains that highly profitable.

Fans would be the next to blame, absolute cattle who couldn't care less about how terribly developed the games are, as long as they can get their fix.
Anonymous No.723256974 >>723265154
>>723254691 (OP)
Game Freak could hire hundreds of more people. Do you think Pokemon Company/Nintendo would really give a shit about budget if it was actually being spent on people doing real work instead of voice actors and mocap studios?
Fucking Monolith has more employees than Game Freak and they make Xenoblade and work on every fucking major Nintendo IP.
About the same number of people worked on DK Bananza and that's more technically demanding than any Pokemon title. Thousands of people worked on TOTK.

Yes there's a strict schedule for merchandise rollout. Yeah they shit out games near annually. But nobody told them to work on stupid shit like Little Town Hero or that Game pass thing everyone will forget about once the novelty wears off. Their biggest weakness is their manpower deficit since the 2010s, and they have never done anything to address to it.
Anonymous No.723256998
>>723254691 (OP)
The "people" buying the games.
Anonymous No.723257004 >>723258620
>>723255821
>Blacks
>Human
Anonymous No.723257082
>>723254691 (OP)
game freak are the ones making the games
its 100% their fault
Anonymous No.723257103
>>723256413
Yes Iโ€™ll take right pls
Anonymous No.723257167
>>723254963
>the tendie cult for actually spending money on this shit.
This is the biggest problem. If Red/Green/Blue had sold middling numbers and then Gold/Silver didn't fair much better. Then Nintendo would have looked into trying to buy out the shares from under Creatures if they felt like the IP could be salvaged. Once Pokemon sold higher then anything that Nintendo had done before, it was over. The series would forever be the bitch of Gamefreak, who doesn't care about anything but doing the most minimal work possible.
Anonymous No.723257690
>>723254691 (OP)
Mostly the consumers really.
Even though GF lacks passion, they are still just people working for paychecks. If people just want to keep buying the exact same product they made in 1996, why should they change anything?
Anonymous No.723257703
>>723256829
Nintendo games have used motion capture since as far back as Ocarina of Time. Most also have some voice acting. Even Mario 64 has voice acting
Anonymous No.723257804
>>723254691 (OP)
gamefreak
nostalgianiggers
nintendo
Anonymous No.723257870
>>723254691 (OP)
TPC's blame lies in not subcontracting out better spinoffs, like how Chunsoft handled Mystery Dungeon.
Game Freak is responsible for everything else.
Anonymous No.723257916
>>723256413
left still looks better :^)
Anonymous No.723257931
>>723254691 (OP)
gamefreak and the fans. Gamefreak is just incompetent as a whole, despite stumbling into a golden formula like pokemon. The fans are retarded shit eaters who give gamefreak no reason to change. A perfect match for garbage
Expected_Expectations No.723258134 >>723258493
>>723254691 (OP)
The people playing them and not voicing their concerns.
Fans are those that create ROM hacks and keep the games alive.
Anonymous No.723258394
>>723254691 (OP)
Shitendo and the Japanese gaming industry as a whole
Anonymous No.723258493
>>723258134
>Fans are those that create ROM hacks and keep the games alive.
What you really mean is the criminals that use Nintendo's IP to create unlicensed work. Such undesirables need to be stamped out as soon as possible, you're not enjoying anything other than what you were sold and you sure as shit don't have the right to keep these games alive for others to enjoy. No good deed goes unpunished or, in this case, unDMCA'd.
Anonymous No.723258620
>>723257004
>T. butt hurt /pol/ tard!
Kek! :3
Anonymous No.723260964
Yeah
Anonymous No.723261192
>>723254691 (OP)
Definitely not the Pokemon Company. Remember, Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures are the joint owners. They have all the authority. The Pokemon Company doesn't get to tell the others what to do.

And for once, it's not Nintendo's fault either. They don't have much say in regards to the games. They can offer help, or Game Freak can ask for it, but Game Freak appears to have near complete autonomy when it comes to video game decisions.

That leaves Game Freak. No one at Game Freak has talent.
Anonymous No.723261657 >>723265656 >>723273051 >>723278317
>>723254691 (OP)
I'd say Nintendo, but out of all the games they're attached to, Pokemon is the only one that has zero quality control or genuine effort put into them.
The difference between mario, zelda, metroid, animal crossing etc. and anything done in-house compared to Pokemon is so astronomically large it's hard to believe Nintendo wouldn't fix it/completely restructure development if they had the ability to.
Nintendo should just sell their share in pokemon and reinvent it without having to deal with third party shitters
Anonymous No.723261921
They can't focus on devving cause Pocketpair keeps stealing their shit
Anonymous No.723261937 >>723262014
>>723254691 (OP)
Everone who has played the new one has said it's really good?
Anonymous No.723262014
>>723261937
In what way is that statement a question?
Anonymous No.723262069
Consumers
Anonymous No.723262165 >>723262317
>>723254691 (OP)
On the development-side: primarily Game Freak, apparently. Even current superjew Nintendo wants better out of the IP, but Creatures Inc always votes with Game Freak so Nintendo can't do much. I think losing the Palworld lawsuit could actually at least give Nintendo leverage to get their way, since they're the ones who put forward the legal team for the suit and put their name first on it, thus also staking their reputation first and foremost in the press cycle.

Of course, the fanbase is the real foremost guilty party. They not only eat shit, they will eat MORE shit out of deliberate spite if you point out loud enough that it's shit they're feasting on.
Anonymous No.723262317 >>723262391 >>723262474 >>723262682 >>723276956 >>723277315
>>723262165
Damn man how much pull do they have that they can just tell Nintendo "no"
Anonymous No.723262391 >>723262687
>>723262317
They created the biggest media IP of all time, so that's definitely something.
Anonymous No.723262474 >>723262687
>>723262317
Game Freak, Creatures Inc, and Nintendo each have 1/3rd ownership of the Pokemon IP.
>GF says "no", that's 1/3rd
>CI says "no" with GF, that's 2/3rds
So Nintendo's stuffed.
Anonymous No.723262682
>>723262317
GameFreak, this one single small indie developer, co-owns the highest grossing franchise on the planet. If they want to downsize their entire team to 10 people and start releasing yearly games made with AI in UE5, there's nothing Nintendo can do about it.
Anonymous No.723262687 >>723273051
>>723262391
Yeah but they created it for Nintendo I thought
>>723262474
That makes sense
Anonymous No.723262787 >>723262949 >>723275905
>>723254691 (OP)
There's no such thing as the Nintendo seal of approval. Pokรฉmon Black and White 2 destroyed all good will that the series had left.
Anonymous No.723262940 >>723264732 >>723276265
>>723256223
>There must be legal reasons why Nintendo doesn't decide to fire them or terminate their contract with them

Its because of the retarded arrangement the series has. Game Freak owns a third of The Pokemon Company. Creature Inc and Nintendo own the other 2/3rds. They'd have to take some drastic measures by either getting them to sell their stake or buying up Game Freak and cleaning house. Nintendo already suggested they outsource to improve quality but they refused (most likely because they'd be exposed as hacks). I expect once Nintendo loses the Palworld lawsuit and Azur Promilia and Honkai: Nexus Anima come out, there will be some cooperate drama to try and salvage the IP.
Anonymous No.723262949
>>723262787
The best pokemon games ever made did that?
Anonymous No.723263028 >>723263272 >>723263323 >>723266497
>>723254691 (OP)
1) Nintendo for not forcing some external competency down their throat. Yes they could, it's fucking Nintendo - they have enough influence in Japan to get a judge to say it's okay to edit a patent in the middle of a trial, so they have largely enough influence to muscle in some actually good dev/artist/designers in a partner's employee list.
2) Pokรฉtards, for encouraging this shit by buying more and more of it, instead of giving up somewhere after the first handful of games.

Literally the only ones not to blame are Game Freak.
They are fucking incompetent as a gamedev studio, and only still exist because they stumbled upon a recipe that's easy to do and work very well.
Them behaving like they currently do is perfectly sane. It's everyone around who could and *should* step in and take the golden goose away from their unworthy hands.
Anonymous No.723263248
>>723254691 (OP)
Game Freak and it's not close.
They're a 3rd party developer, and unlike many devs in this situation they own a substantial amount of their IP, though nobody knows how much as it's a private company. Nintendo provides the bucks and has a substantial say in how the brand evolves, but it's been extremely clear over the years that their influence in the development of games is very small. It may be a legal thing, or maybe a "if it ain't broke don't fix it", or what, but GF is 100% responsible for how things are
Anonymous No.723263272 >>723264472
>>723263028
>its not game freak's fault that game freak is shit!!!!
Anonymous No.723263323 >>723264472
>>723263028
As long as I can catch Pikachu I will happily buy the game at full price + tax
Anonymous No.723263714 >>723263882 >>723263996 >>723264865 >>723275407
Genuinely baffled that game freak dick riders exist in the big 25.
Anonymous No.723263716 >>723275541
>>723256413
I like cute brown girls tho.

You're not making a good comparison.
Anonymous No.723263882 >>723265448
>>723263714
snoys are bending over backwards to defend gayfreak because of the UE5 slop they're making for gamepass
Anonymous No.723263996
>>723263714
I don't think anyone is happy with GF, even its "defenders". It's more that they don't understand the corporate structure of pokemon and think Nintendo is involved, which I don't blame them for thinking because it's an unusual situation
go up to anyone on the street and ask them "who makes pokemon?" and they're answering Nintendo. why wouldn't it be them?
Anonymous No.723264001 >>723264087 >>723264161 >>723264935 >>723275484
I can't believe the memes about GF refusing help were true, this also sorta confirms why BDSP sucks so much; they had to outsource it but made sure the game sucks so they don't look bad and Ilca takes all the balme.
Anonymous No.723264087
>>723264001
*blame
I am so depressed over this that I can't spell.
Anonymous No.723264161 >>723264287 >>723264294
>>723264001
I'm pretty sure those games sucked because they were outsourced to a shitty mobile game studio, anon, not some sort of grand conspiracy.
Anonymous No.723264171
>>723254691 (OP)
Everyone who keeps buying their slop (including me). Starting with Legends ZA I won't be buying their shit.
Anonymous No.723264192 >>723264621
>>723255547
>>723256413
I bet everything that the chocolate girl looks much better in the 2d art, 3d models for humans in pokemon have been utter shit since SV.
Anonymous No.723264196
>>723254691 (OP)
everyone equally
the pokemon games have turned into nothing more than a vehicle to sell new pokemon designs to make merch out
Anonymous No.723264287 >>723264542
>>723264161
Yes but -why- were they outsourced to a shitty mobile game company?
Anonymous No.723264294
>>723264161
Well anon, why they outsouced them to a shitty mobile studio in first place? why they didn't went for a better studio?
Anonymous No.723264297
>>723256413
I wouldn't bother. This place is filled with nigger loving zoomers and turd world browns
Anonymous No.723264305
>>723255926
The one on the right is a tameable creature.
The answer to that question is still Pokemon though
Anonymous No.723264472
>>723263272
Yes.
They are shit, always will be. Just look at their non-Pikachu games. Even the tards at /agdg/ shit out better games - Pikachu is doing 99.9% of the work.
GF being the most garbage gamedev studio on Earth is a property of this universe, expecting it to be different is pointless.
Only the stuff *around* them has free will and could change something.

>>723263323
Thanks for being such a nice illustration of the problem.
Anonymous No.723264542
>>723264287
Because they probably did if for the cheapest possible price in the quickest possible timeframe, this isn't a particular quirk of gamefreak, all companies do this it's a core tenant of capitalism.
Anonymous No.723264621
>>723264192
it's crazy how bad they are at any model that isn't 100% handcrafted. Black Nurse Joy looks like she's wearing literal black face
Anonymous No.723264690 >>723265262 >>723277570
You know what is the worst part of all this, anons? It doesn't fucking matter, Pokemon stuff will still sell MILLIONS OF MILLIONS and there is nothing we can do. Pokemon will never be hit with an apocaliptic crash down like Monster Hunter was with Wilds, people will always buy pokemon.
Anonymous No.723264732
>>723262940
>(most likely because they'd be exposed as hacks)
Reminder that the one time they allowed a remake to be outsourced, it was to some whos and any artistic creativity was forbidden.
Anonymous No.723264845
>>723255547
I'd fuck the one on the left but I'm also not happy about the overall direction Pokemon's character designs have gone in.
Anonymous No.723264858 >>723266228
>>723255547
can't wait for left to get 1000x more porn than right.
Anonymous No.723264865
>>723263714
never underestimate third parent syndrome
Anonymous No.723264935
>>723264001
it's been an open secret that gamefreak makes the worst pokemon games since at least gen 3/4 when the spinoffs completely btfo the mainline games, the later gens just proved it more when the mainline games got worse and worse
Anonymous No.723265037 >>723276382
>>723254691 (OP)
>Who is more to blame for the state of Pokemon games?
Bamco and Atlus for not making games that can compete.
Anonymous No.723265154 >>723265215
>>723256974
>Implying you need hundreds of workers to make a bunch of cel-shaded anime games for the Switch 2
Anonymous No.723265215
>>723265154
they barely have 200 hundred.
Anonymous No.723265235 >>723265380 >>723265518 >>723265524 >>723265615 >>723265674 >>723266193 >>723266909 >>723268438 >>723271489
>>723254691 (OP)
Nintendo.

Gamefreak is tired of Pokemon and making it bad on purpose to get fired. Pic rel, this game is completely under the radar, being developed by Gamefreak, looks like a triple AAAA game. Don't believe me? Look up games being made by gamefreak thats not pokemon.
Anonymous No.723265262 >>723265445 >>723265546 >>723265616
>>723264690
This reminds me of bit of pixel artist reactions to Stardew Valley and Undertale
They both objectively break every pixel "rule" and do everything wrong. yet they're also the best-selling pixel art games of all time.
so either the rules don't matter or were wrong to begin with. same thing here: if the games continue to sell (and review) well then not changing things up is objectively the right move
Anonymous No.723265380 >>723265732 >>723270654
>>723265235
GF has made plenty of non-pokemon games and they all suck. They're just not good at the job of making video games
Anonymous No.723265445 >>723265626 >>723265752 >>723275050
>>723265262
Stardew Valley is one of the most modded games in a specific subject: the character art. People enjoy the game but hate the artstyle so loads of them make massive eforts to improve it, of course this is subjective, i saw a mod that made everyone the most tumblr shit possible.
Anonymous No.723265448 >>723265978
>>723263882
>snoys
>gamepass
Anonymous No.723265518
>>723265235
wtf
Anonymous No.723265524 >>723265732
>>723265235
Hey stupid, everyone remembers that trailer. It's bot getting covered because even their bullshots ran at 20 FPS and it's UE5slop. It looks like derivative shit.
Anonymous No.723265546 >>723265758
>>723265262
There is a world where Gamefreak either upsizes or outsources completely, and in that world there will be a huge swathe of people that wax poetic about how good their self directed games were, absolute soul.

Not saying that the Pokemon games don't have problems, they do, but their is a huge number of contrarian conspiracy theorists that have made hating things a core part of their personality.
Anonymous No.723265615
>>723265235
Pokemon is guaranteed gigantic profits. Why would they kill their golden goose? If anything, they're in a position any other studio could only hope for in their wildest dreams: A low-budget, massive return surefire hit franchise that you can shit out doing the lowest possible amount of work while making mad bank. Legends: Arceus, to pick a recent entry, had a budget of 20 million and sold 14 million units. That is an absolutely ridiculous return on investment. That's the kind of franchise you milk forever as cheaply as you can, while using that cash to fund games you actually care about.

And since tendies keep fucking buying this crap by the millions, GF has zero incentive to make the games better, and every incentive under the sun to make them even more cheap and slapdash.
Anonymous No.723265616
>>723265262
I've always thought Stardew Valley was extremely ugly, I do love undertale though.
Anonymous No.723265626 >>723265839
>>723265445
>Millions sold on console and phones where no one mods the game
Anonymous No.723265656
>>723261657
>nintendo should sell their share of the biggest media property ever
Anonymous No.723265674 >>723269031
>>723265235
>Gamefreak is tired of Pokemon and making it bad on purpose to get fired
retardbro, Game Freak can't "get fired" they're an equal owner.
Anonymous No.723265732 >>723265794 >>723266107 >>723266123
>>723265380
>>723265524
not that guy but the game looks fine whatare you talking about
Anonymous No.723265752 >>723265839
>>723265445
I looked at the most downloaded mod of all time and it's at 600k downloads, which sounds impressive until you remember SDV has sold 41 million copies. 600k represents 1.5% of owners
Anonymous No.723265758 >>723265994
>>723265546
You think I like being this mad? I wanna pokemon to reach its full potential but that will never happen, i also wish i was able to make myself return to when i was able to enjoy pokemon mindless BUT I CAN'T! I CAN'T MEMORYHOLE ITS FLAWS! IT SUCKS MAN! I WANNA BE A SIMPLENTON THAT JUST ENJOY THINGS!
Anonymous No.723265794
>>723265732
It looked like 720p running at a silky smooth 20 frames.
Anonymous No.723265839
>>723265626
>>723265752
Anons please, it was obvious I was talking about PC as is the only place where you can mod. Console sales are irrelevant in this.
Anonymous No.723265918
>>723254691 (OP)
The retards that continue to buy the games
Anonymous No.723265978 >>723266171
>>723265448
NTA but I've been called an OoT snoy. Tendies have brain damage.
Anonymous No.723265994
>>723265758
>I wanna pokemon to reach its full potential
No you fucking don't. You want it to, be squandered to become something that it isn't just because you're standards have been eroded by AAA developers.
Anonymous No.723266107 >>723266159 >>723266842 >>723276505
>>723265732
>Gamefreak's most successful game outside of pokemon
Anonymous No.723266123 >>723267095
>>723265732
>not that guy
False.
>the game looks fine
Also false.
Anonymous No.723266159
>>723266107
I am sure it was the one about the drill girl back in GBA.
Anonymous No.723266171 >>723267440
>>723265978
>OoT
>Snoy
That's literally one insecure anon on /v/ who hates the fact his first Zelda was BOTW when he played mainly Playstation all his life. Hes projecting becuase he's he's a BOTW Snoy.
Anonymous No.723266193 >>723267005 >>723269793
>>723265235
>this company is tired of making money and would rather not make money
Anonymous No.723266209 >>723266367
>>723254691 (OP)
Everyone that dipped as much as a pinky finger into this franchise is to blame, from Nintendo to the players, if all the shit about Masuda is real then the quality drop between BW and the rest of the mainline franchise makes all sense.
Anonymous No.723266228
>>723264858
Pokedrone delusions
Anonymous No.723266249
>>723254691 (OP)
Every single thing in the leaks points towards Game Freak.
Anonymous No.723266301
Millions of retards with no standards who will buy literally anything as long as it has their favorite branding on it.
It's the free market working as intended.
Anonymous No.723266367 >>723266740
>>723266209
b/w wasn't even that impressive when you take out the nostalgia factor
it's just gen 1 with uglier designs and a poor attempt at a story
the actually impressive pokemon games have always been the third versions, but they've always sold worse than the initial ones
Anonymous No.723266497
>>723263028
>Literally the only ones not to blame are Game Freak.
Anonymous No.723266740 >>723267349
>>723266367
The third versions are only good because like 98% of the game is done and they just shuffle a few things around and add a couple of places to an already finished game.
Anonymous No.723266842
>>723266107
Gotta make sure everyone knows you're the pokemon developer when trying to shill your non pokemon dogshit.
Anonymous No.723266909
>>723265235
>pictured: UE5 asset drop with Gamefreak logo slapped on top
>not pictured: game running at 15fps on far stronger hardware
What about it
Anonymous No.723267005 >>723267225
>>723266193
Exactly, or else the game would look like their newest third party game. They put in zero effort in hopes to either get fired or lose fans so they can make shit they want to make without having to worry about pokemon
Anonymous No.723267095
>>723266123
seethe harder
Anonymous No.723267225
>>723267005
>or else the game would look like their newest third party game
Like generic AAA slop but running even worse somehow?
Anonymous No.723267349 >>723267424
>>723266740
and it should be clear that masuda was decent at ideas but sub par as a director, his protege even more so
r/s were 'fine' but still were missing half the roster for no reason, especially since they were already coded into the game
d/p ran like shit and had to be fixed with platinum
b/w was a poor attempt at a soft reboot and were completely salvaged by b/w2
the less said about x and y the better
Anonymous No.723267424 >>723267745 >>723267768
>>723267349
dpp ran fine it was just so fucking slow with animations that it killed the relay value.
Anonymous No.723267440
>>723266171
>That's literally one insecure anon on /v/
The guy you're replying to is most likely ACfag who coined the term ootsnoy himself just to claim that a fanbase that doesn't exist calls him names.
Anonymous No.723267524 >>723277534
>>723255547
Left is loli tier so it wins by default
>but nigger
Loli is loli
Anonymous No.723267745
>>723267424
>back to 30 fps after RSE/FRLG were 60 (yes every game after was 30 too outside of battles for some reason)
>DP surf speed was walking speed and not run
>HP bars (gen 2 bug carried forward but its feels extra bad in DP for some reason)
>Saving takes an hour for some reason
I think the only thing DP sped up was being able to run indoors and the bike being fast as fuck to the point of breaking the game
Anonymous No.723267768 >>723267951
>>723267424
Ran fine
>SAVING A LOT OF DATA
smooth experience
>three hours for the HP bar to deplete
Anonymous No.723267948
>>723254691 (OP)
Nintendo cultists who will buy the games no matter what.
Anonymous No.723267951 >>723268013
>>723267768
yes.that's what I'm talking about, not you. you're talking about it running bad, not slow. retard
Anonymous No.723268013 >>723268101
>>723267951
slow is bad dumbass
Anonymous No.723268101 >>723268227
>>723268013
you said bad, not slow, retard. which usually means bugs. stay in special ED
Anonymous No.723268218
>>723254691 (OP)
The Rule34 people. Game would have died if tendies weren't so eager to beat off to the little girls in it.
Anonymous No.723268227 >>723268405
>>723268101
buggy is baseline for pokemon games you ESL mongoloid
Anonymous No.723268405
>>723268227
haha, at least you went back to your original argument. thought you were gonna double down on mine instead for a second, projecting esl faggot.
Anonymous No.723268438 >>723268506
>>723265235
Why didn't you just link the trailer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-qZiMPsNz0
Anonymous No.723268506 >>723268764
>>723268438
Beast of Framerate
Anonymous No.723268662
>>723254691 (OP)
the failure to launch fans spending their money on this dogshit after gen 2
Anonymous No.723268728
>>723254691 (OP)
the pokemon company itself. nintendo tries to get their shit together even according to the leaks.
Anonymous No.723268764 >>723268821
>>723268506
Imagine not being able to get good framerates in fucking cutscenes even for your trailer.
Anonymous No.723268821
>>723268764
Imagine not being able to get good framerates when NOTHING IS MOVING BUT PARTICLE EFFECTS
Anonymous No.723269031 >>723269271
>>723265674
Depending of the typw of society, the other shareholder can force you sale if you undermining them
Anonymous No.723269162
>>723254691 (OP)
Gamefreak. its all on them, Pokemon Company atleast tries to make a decent game even if its usually shovelware.
Anonymous No.723269271
>>723269031
It's not even about stonks
They both own the rights to the property. If gamefreak pulls out pokemon gets stuck in limbo.
Anonymous No.723269793 >>723272169
>>723266193
They aren't tired of making money, they are tired of only making money with what was just random project #35491.
Creators hating their golden goose because it wasn't supposed to be their magnus opus and being resentful toward it isn't exactly uncommon.
Another game studio notoriously in that situation would be Mihoyo: Genshin was supposed to just be an easy fantasy thing to make money for their actual dream project (ZZZ), except no one give a shit about their dream project, no matter how hard they work on it while trashing their golden goose.

And yes, both you and I are aware it's stupid and the chance of them creating a better golden goose are null.
Successful creators tend to have hubris issues.
Anonymous No.723269898
>>723254691 (OP)
Game Freak is literally part of the Pokรฉmon Company, so both.
Anonymous No.723270654
>>723265380
>GF has made plenty of non-pokemon games and they all suck. They're just not good at the job of making video games
>They all suck
You've clearly never played Bushi Seiryuuden then. It's like if Zelda II was actually good.
Anonymous No.723271006
>>723254691 (OP)
So I gather HGSS will raise in price again?
Anonymous No.723271071
>>723256413
inb4 the pokemon one will get like a bunch of off-model art that makes her look hot, while the digimon girl will get completely ignored
Anonymous No.723271334
>>723255547
What's wrong with the one on the left? She is cute
Anonymous No.723271489
>>723265235
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1183510/Little_Town_Hero/
yea man
Anonymous No.723271567 >>723275669
How I imagine the shitemon dev cycle goes
>millennial with decent talents is excited to work on his favorite franchise since he was a kid
>make legitimately good ideas
>gets shut down by boomer lead devs because "AIEEEEE disu has too mucha detailru desu desu change it!!"
> said idea either gets scrapped or calarts-ified beyond recognition
>young talent quits retard company
>another young'un comes in
>cycle continues
people are blackpilling but remember: the recent DLC sold less than expectation. even nintendies are getting sick of their overlords overpricing them because the economy is going worse
Anonymous No.723272169
>>723269793
>actual dream project (ZZZ)
Don't want to get too off topic, but I seriously doubt that trash is anything more than a cashgrab. Their "dream game" shouldn't have been more gachaslop if they really wanted it to stand out.
That "dream game" is in direct competition with Genshin, so of course it was going to be cannibalized.
Like, I couldn't care any less about Nikke but, people that don't normally play gacha gave Stellar Blade a chance because it was a normal game.
Anonymous No.723273051 >>723273461
>>723261657
Because Pokemon isn't their game and never was. Nintendo can't grab it and give the opportunity to another team even if they wanted to. It's something people fail to understand all these years later.

>>723262687
>Yeah but they created it for Nintendo I thought
Pokemon is a 3rd party game that just so happened to blow up to a point that it became an honorary first party title thanks to the companies involved. Nintendo didn't develop the IP. They maybe loaned some workers to help like when Iwata was still working at HAL, but it was always and will always be GameFreak's child. The only reason there's no disruption is due to the fact Pokemon is literally too huge for there to be a shakeup of any kind in terms of who should be developing the games. Like for a Pokemon game to tank they'd have to REALLY fuck up.
Anonymous No.723273461
>>723273051
iirc tpc was created to somewhat tard wrangle gamefreak while still technically being a separate entity from nintendo
the rights split three ways between them
Anonymous No.723275050
>>723265445
Show me three mods that the intent is to better the artstyle and not change with different themes or anti-woke.
Anonymous No.723275150 >>723275323 >>723275685
>>723254691 (OP)
The pokemon company

Gamefreak has shown with beast of Reincarnation that they can make good looking games if given the time and money

The pokemon company are forcing gamefreak to make rushed cheap cashgrabs so they have a constant merchandise rollout
Anonymous No.723275167
does toby fox have an NTR fetish
Anonymous No.723275303 >>723275348
>>723254691 (OP)
The fans
>"Dexit" """""boycottt"""""
>2nd best selling par of games in the series

>shit open world that took until the NEXT CONSOLE to run at an acceptable frame rate
>3rd best selling pair of games in the series

They buy it anyway.
Anonymous No.723275323
>>723275150
>good looking games
>runs at sub 20 fps in a fucking trailer
Anonymous No.723275348
>>723275303
This

People who buy modern pokemon games should be bullied
Anonymous No.723275390
>>723254691 (OP)
The old games were excellent. I think, as an old man, the high level programming when before it was low level. The old method but with more features would be superior I think. Hard to train though in a corporate setting however... Children are ignorant though. You have to balance the ignorance of young consumers with good practices.
Anonymous No.723275407
>>723263714
If it's any consolation the leaks of the past few days have had some of the hardest dick riders start to wake up, namely the small budgets and Masuda sacking.

They'll probably go back to bed after they get ZA in their hands though.
Anonymous No.723275484 >>723275587 >>723276087
>>723264001
We knew about this for years with Game Freak's insistence the Orre games didn't happen.

I don't know what fuckery Nintendo did to get those approved for future NSO releases.
Anonymous No.723275535
I think we need to vote Game Freak "worst company of 2025"
Anonymous No.723275541
>>723263716
jeet damage control paid poster lol
Anonymous No.723275587
>>723275484
>I don't know what fuckery Nintendo did to get those approved for future NSO releases.
GF didn't have direct hand in those games which takes the power to outright block them from being rerelease from them.
Anonymous No.723275654 >>723275708 >>723275786
>>723254691 (OP)
Nintendo has the majority power so they are to blame. GameFreak only has a small share of Pokemon plus development rights.
Anonymous No.723275669
>>723271567
I believe Game Freak has terrible reviews on the Japanese equivalent to Linkdin for what its worth. I remember reading that somewhere years ago.
Anonymous No.723275675
>don;'t want to make Pokemon games anymore
>but are too greedy to let anyone touch the mainline series they clearly hold no passion or care for anymore.

MAKE SENSE YOU JAPANESE FUCKS?!?!? AREN'T YOU SUPPOSED TO BE THE HONOR CULTURE?!!?
Anonymous No.723275685
>>723275150
its all game freak bro. They showed us with Little Town Hero that even when they put all their effort into something it still comes out worthless.
Anonymous No.723275708 >>723275824 >>723276453
>>723275654
Anonymous No.723275769
>>723254691 (OP)
Nintendo.
>just rush it. They will buy it anyway.
Anonymous No.723275786 >>723275976
>>723275654
Nintendo is literally the minority power cause Game Freak and TPC just always vote together.
Anonymous No.723275824 >>723276727
>>723275708
Yes Game Freak has the development rights but Nintendo still has the power to pressure them. Nintendo just doesn't give a fuck because all their newer games are similar to Pokemon, lowest effort possible games.
Anonymous No.723275870
>>723254691 (OP)
Treehouse
Anonymous No.723275905 >>723276047
>>723262787
>Pokรฉmon Black and White 2 destroyed all good will that the series had left.
black and white 1 are the shittiest ones, 2 are good
Anonymous No.723275976 >>723276805
>>723275786
TPC is made up of 3 parties. Nintendo, Creatures, and GameFreak.Nintendo owns majority of Creatures as well. TPC is mostly Nintendo. GameFreak only has the right to develop the games however they wish, Nintendo can bend their arm or increase funding or do whatever else they want, but they don't. Nintendo is essentially the CEO, they are responsible in the end.
Anonymous No.723276047
>>723275905
>black and white 1 are the shittiest ones, 2 are good
>I cant get charizard until post game and that makes me shit and piss
Anonymous No.723276087
>>723275484
>I don't know what fuckery Nintendo did to get those approved for future NSO releases.

>Game Freak's insistence the Orre games didn't happen.
That's how. Since they're not considered "mainline" (canon to Game Freak), they can just do what they want with that asepct of the IP.

Game Freak has full control when it comes to the decisions of the mainline games. But when it comes to anything else of the IP, Game Freak ahs way less say in what is and isn't allowed.
Anonymous No.723276129
>>723254691 (OP)
Me. My bad.
Anonymous No.723276180 >>723277157
>>723256829
>their fix
What fix is what I want to know. After being a lifelong fan since RBY days Sun/Moon was the last Pokemon game I bought, unplayable, never finished it.
What are these troons enjoying about the games? Painfully long menu transitions? Unskippable dialogue (if you can even call the text in the game โ€œdialogueโ€)? Itโ€™s like pullling teeth.
Anonymous No.723276191 >>723276428
Imagine if Nintendo could do a hostile takeover of Game Freak and whip them into shape? If they had Monolift Soft forcing them into competency?
Anonymous No.723276201 >>723276332
>some of the most well regarded pokemon games in the entire series weren't even made by gamefreak
L. M. A. O.
Anonymous No.723276265
>>723262940
That's if they lose in the first place, which isn't even the likely outcome.
Anonymous No.723276332
>>723276201
spin offs are usually good yeah
Anonymous No.723276382
>>723265037
Both were so afraid of stepping on Nintendo's toes due to their close ties with said company. But with how Nintendo's treating PocketPair in the courts, can you really blame them they let their Mon franchises only filll out niches?
Anonymous No.723276387
>>723255547
Both are cute, tranny
Anonymous No.723276428
>>723276191
>wanting Monolith Soft to be stretched even thinner
They can't even hire people fast enough for it anyway. There's positions for a project that still hasn't been filled and the only way they'd be able to fill it is to lower standards, which is a retarded move.
Anonymous No.723276453
>>723275708
Makes sense. But the games sell very, vey well, so even if Nintendo wanted to intervene, they don't have a case.
All those shitty Pokemon games at worst hurt Nintendo's brand image, but that's a stretch.
Anonymous No.723276505
>>723266107
Gamefreak is a kusoge dev, we only put up with it because the excellent battle system
Anonymous No.723276624
>>723254691 (OP)
Gamefreak

If you care enough to learn the history of the company and how they developed the first pokemon game it becomes clear they had a money idea but no capability to execute. Nintendo even had to step in and shape their concept into a cohesive product.

A lot the staff were inexperienced and really didnt have a lot of technical expertise which led to 1st gen being super broken, even moreso on the original jap release.

Its only been getting worse after gen 2 as that was the lengths of the ideas they had for the setting. In spite of that, pokemon was so well received and was backed by a monstrous ad campaign for the west which has quite literally kept the franchise afloat all this time. Kids who grew up when the franchise was new are now on the dev team whom are still ripe with inexpertise
Anonymous No.723276727 >>723277093
>>723275824
pressure them how? they don't control the dev schedule, that's on TPC, they don't control the talent hiring, that's on Game Freak. Pokemon is literally out of Nintendo's hands, the only thing nintendo can do is outright block a release, which would be outright illegal as a company with shareholders.
Anonymous No.723276805
>>723275976
>Nintendo owns majority of Creatures as well
that's not remotely true. they have an undisclosed non-majority share of creatures.
Anonymous No.723276821 >>723276897 >>723277416
>>723254691 (OP)
Pokemon fans who goble the same slop over and over again. Pokemon shall never evolve cause it's fans won't allow it too.
Anonymous No.723276897
>>723276821
it's funny people say this, because way off. Pokemon is changing for the worse constantly. if they were still giving us "the same slop" they were giving us 20 years ago, most of us wouldn't be complaining.
Anonymous No.723276956
>>723262317
Nintendo only owns 1/3 of Pokรฉmon and also, regardless of how shit the games are, they are massive console sellers, so they just have to eat it up ig.
Anonymous No.723277045
>>723254691 (OP)
Whenever Gamefreak has a leak, you can see a small dead forest of passion for the franchise being locked behind a vault for being too ambitious.
Anonymous No.723277093 >>723277150 >>723277214 >>723277318
>>723276727
Nintendo controls the IP, patents, funding, publishing, merch, and everything else. They can pressure them, they just don't want to.
Anonymous No.723277150
>>723277093
>IP, patents, funding, publishing, merch, and everything else
isn't that TPC?
Anonymous No.723277157
>>723276180
>What are these troons enjoying about the games?

Probably the competitive play, speed running, and procedural generation (with mods). It's not something kids are too knowledgeable about. I feel bad for kids missing out on an age adults knew less about their games than they did.
Anonymous No.723277214 >>723277309
>>723277093
literally none of that is true, The Pokemon Company is in charge of all of that.
Anonymous No.723277230 >>723277416
>>723254691 (OP)
It will always be the fans, 100%. Fuck every single Pokemon fan until the end of time.
Anonymous No.723277309 >>723277373
>>723277214
You mean The Pokemon Company that is majority owned by Nintendo?
Anonymous No.723277315
>>723262317
>Damn man how much pull do they have that they can just tell Nintendo "no"
The issue is that gamefreak owns 1/3 of Pokemon so even if Nintendo and Creatures tell them to eat shit and get someone else to develop the game, 1/3 of the money still goes to gamefreak sitting on their asses in the corner doing nothing. They're not going to eat that loss, sadly.
Anonymous No.723277318
>>723277093
>Nintendo controls the IP
Wrong from the very beginning, the IP ownership is split between Nintendo, GameFreak and Creatures, all of them being part of The Pokemon Company. If Nintendo really had control of the IP, they wouldn't be asking GameFreak if they would like external help to improve the games' quality, they would straight send one of their many development teams and tardwrangle them the same way they have done with the many other dev teams under their wing.
Anonymous No.723277373 >>723277471
>>723277309
no i mean The Pokemon Company in reality on the planet earth, that nintendo only has a 1/3 minority say in.
Anonymous No.723277416
>>723276821
>>723277230
yeah gamefreak is definitely shit but the rabid pokeslurpers enable them
Anonymous No.723277460 >>723277823
The reason why Nintendo doesn't take some desperate measures to buttfuck gamefreak is because they don't really care that much about Pokemon to begin with. They only own 1/3 of Pokemon so they only get 1/3 of the money. So they would prefer Pokemon slowly decline and for customers to move on to the series they fully own like Metroid, Zelda, and Animal Crossing. Pokemon ZA looks like total shit this holiday compared to Metroid, Mario Kart and Donkey Kong, and Nintendo is happy about that.
Anonymous No.723277471 >>723277591 >>723277638
>>723277373
No, Game Freak has the 1/3 minority. Nintendo plus Creatures has the rest. And since Nintendo owns most of Creatures, that means they have majority ownership of The Pokemon Company. Do you know what majority control means? Nintendo has over 50% control.
Anonymous No.723277534 >>723277596
>>723267524
this
Anonymous No.723277570
>>723264690
>You know what is the worst part of all this, anons? It doesn't fucking matter, Pokemon stuff will still sell MILLIONS OF MILLIONS
Well, it might matter. We need to see how many millions of millions it sells. Because a decline is still a decline even if it still sells a lot. If ZA sells 20% worse than Arceus you may see gamefreak start to sweat. Especially if other switch 2 games are selling better, like Mario Kart and Metroid.
Anonymous No.723277591
>>723277471
>And since Nintendo owns most of Creatures
see this is the part that doesn't exist on the planet earth in reality. Nintendo DOESN'T FUCKING OWN CREATURES YOU RETARD
Anonymous No.723277596
>>723277534
eww, nope nope nope, even verse loli, fair skin wins by default
Anonymous No.723277638
>>723277471
1/3 ownership means they get 1/3 of the money. So if Nintendo wants to pay someone else to make the games and force out gamefreak, they're still paying gamefreak 300 million dollars per game. That's why they don't do it, and why they wont do it.
Anonymous No.723277734 >>723277846 >>723277889 >>723277985
Pokemon fans have very low standards. If a company makes bad games, the general public tends to start avoiding the games. But pokemon has such a legendary reputation that despite over a decade of awful games millions of people lined up to buy the latest one.
Anonymous No.723277823 >>723278020
>>723277460
>Pokemon ZA looks like total shit this holiday compared to Metroid, Mario Kart and Donkey Kong, and Nintendo is happy about that.
With the exception of Donkey Kong all of these titles look like absolute dogshit. Even by the standards of Nintendo lagging behind in terms of pure graphical capability they were carried by a certain appealing artistic design and gameplay ingenuity that makes each game feel appealing and memorable for whatever generation of kids happens to play it.

These days Nintendo fell for the open world meme so now their crap feels indistinguishable or often worse than the dozens of other titles kids can ask their parents to get from other companies.
Anonymous No.723277846
>>723277734
Capcom: WHY WE DON'T HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE?!
Anonymous No.723277889 >>723277940
>>723277734
It's not the reputation, it's all the other media. People watch the show, or collect the cards, or collect the merch or play the mobile games, etc, etc. The Pokemon company may make dogshit games but they know how to keep an IP relevant.
Anonymous No.723277940 >>723278145
>>723277889
>or collect the cards
jesus this, you ever been to a walmart on a thursday? you'll see a horde of fat guys circling like vultures watching the TCG lady stock the shelves.
Anonymous No.723277983 >>723278050 >>723278095 >>723278280
>>723254691 (OP)
tpci isn't holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to make bad games
Anonymous No.723277985
>>723277734
The fact is that the IP has reached escape velocity and is now no longer reliant on the videogame succeeding. Merchandising makes the Lion's share of the IPs income. Pokemon plushies are pretty much the Japanese equivalent of teddy bears. Every kid has one.
Anonymous No.723278020 >>723278454
>>723277823
>open world meme
Anon, not a single one of those games is open world. Metroid has open zones between the main levels, Mario Kart is a multiplayer racing game, the world is just there for knockout rally where you race between the tracks, and Donkey Kong is just a level based sandbox games like all the other 3D Marios. I actually don't think they've announced a single open world game for the switch 2 yet you deranged autist.
Anonymous No.723278050
>>723277983
TPCI is absolutely pushing for yearly releases, however you're right that they aren't forcing them to make bad games, Game Freak would do that regardless of how much time or money they had invested in them.
Anonymous No.723278095
>>723277983
yes they kinda are. nintendo and tpc are both making the games much worse than they should be by cutting budgets repeatedly. obviously the games would still be shit because gamefreak sucks.
Anonymous No.723278145
>>723277940
Not to mention they've developed an entire Streamer ecosystem solely focused on turbowhales who open countless packets which they buy by the palette just to acquire a card of meaningless rarity, that'll be slipped into a sleeve, graded, and then forgotten about or resold.
Anonymous No.723278280
>>723277983
I mean we have their leaked release plans for the next five years and they're doing 4 games. That seems pretty gun to the head to me.
Anonymous No.723278317 >>723278415
>>723261657
Zelda and Metroid aren't done in house anymore, are they?
Anonymous No.723278415
>>723278317
Zelda is absolutely being done in-house. Meanwhile, Metroid Samus Returns and Metroid Dread were developed by Mercury Stream, while Metroid Prime 4, if I'm correct, was once again developed by Retro Studios almost from scratch once Bandai Namco couldn't continue with the project.
Anonymous No.723278454
>>723278020
I said they fell for a meme, not that they implemented actual open world. The point is they've opted for systems that add, big empty locations completely lacking in any real character across multiple IPs.
Anonymous No.723278518 >>723278694
>>723254691 (OP)
You are. It's a game for children so they make it for children.
Anonymous No.723278694
>>723278518
its not a game for children, children played the original pokemon games. this game is for manchildren who collect nintendo merch. children play roblox instead.
Anonymous No.723280282 >>723282079
Both.

GameFreak is a histrionically shitty dev and even a talented dev would struggle to pump out as much as GameFreak does.

TCP is what manages the brand so they're partly to blame by allowing it. Saying "Nintendo" is pretty irrelevant because TPC is partly owned by them and exists to manage Pokemon.
Anonymous No.723282079
>>723280282
I wish tpci/ninty could somehow wrest GF's stake away from them and hand the series off to an internal Nintendo studio