Thread 723266185

isn’t that pretty much nothing to an average gpu

I know culling is a thing but can it 'turn off' only a part of a model? Is it can, then there should be no problem with this, right?

>>723266185 (OP)
Nintendo actually offered GF to pay for outsource help but they REFUSE. Gamefreak are arrogant and paranoid that if someone actually skilled helps, they will be revealed as hacks, this is why they outsourced BDSP to some "who?!" mobile company and even forbidded them of being creative.

>>723266337
>but can it 'turn off' only a part of a model?
no

>>723266185 (OP)
>355000 vertices
Even my shitty attempt at an engine can handle that easily.

>>723266326
GPU doesn't handle drawcalls.

>>723266337
Typically it can't. UE5's Nanite is a technology that sort of allows games to do that which is why it was advertised as revolutionary for graphics and performance. If you remember the original reveal and trailer with the girl running around the ancient ruins it looked pretty promising... but we all know how that ended up.

>>723266326
it's a nintendo switch game nigga

>>723266337
The entire reason all of it being one model is a problem is because it can't cull shit properly.

>>723266185 (OP)
I don't see the problem, open world games often render enormous maps. Issues would crop up if it also rendered all lighting, npcs, and animations.

>>723266185 (OP)
How in the fuck is this a reasonable approach , even a basic bitch unity kiddy would at the very least have each city zone be a new model

So the model is just fully rendered the whole time at full LOD, regardless of where you are....what the actual fuck

please understand

>>723266434
Cause the game runs silky smooth right? So it's not a problem right? What the fuck are you talking about man. The city is not the only thing the game renders at a time.

People will find a way to defend it.

>>723266526
No game is going to render the entire map all at once because it is a comical waste of compute power.

>>723266185 (OP)
>MAGA hates that Game Freak created Mainframe

>>723266326
>Nintendo hardware
>Average GPU

>>723266337
oh right, i forgot it IS possible to cull parts of a model that are unseen but it's different, but it's not the typical occlusion culling but face culling. Not sure how expensive face culling would be for one big single model like that being recalculated in real time.

>>723266432
>>723266513
There is no proper source on this affirmation

>>723266185 (OP)
Just buy better switch poorfag

>>723266185 (OP)
What’s the issue if the game runs fine ?

>>723266526
You poptart, the game renders individual models depending on the current view of your camera. Everything off screen is not rendered.
With this, the entire city has to be rendered at all points, since its always in camera
>they can just cull parts of the model
No they cant, that is not how culling and models work

>>723266526
The problem is that the map used to have much more detail in beta, but because the whole thing has to be loaded at once and it has to run on Switch 1, they were forced to downgrade. So all the windows and balconies are painted on like it's mario 64, buildings are just blocks with textures etc.

>>723266434
>>723266326
Yeah, it's totally fine when you want to render a completely empty city with literally nothing else on it.

>>723266569
>Cause the game runs silky smooth right?
No idea, I find the idea of buying nintendo products abhorrent.
>>723266337
>>723266432
Sure you can. It's not a trivial thing to do, but not impossible.

>>723266529
>So the model is just fully rendered the whole time at full LOD, regardless of where you are
We don't know if that's how it is working

>>723266185 (OP)
I'm of the impression that a lot of assumptions and premature conclusions being drawn here.
Is that definitely the modal that gets loaded into the game during core gameplay?
Does their proprietary engine load this entire modal into memory?

Just because you've datamined something doesn't mean you know for certain how it's used.

>>723266678
Always practice good coding ethics, even if your pc can brute force through any implementation.
Its why innovation has stagnated in all media

>>723266697
What compels a person to wander into a thread, knowing nothing about the topic, and spout shit they made up off the top of their head?

>>723266185 (OP)
The game runs at 60fps and the draw distance is immaculate

that just doesn't make any sense to me. I could give them a bone of "Well maybe the collective polys in some higher intensity game come out to that amount" - but why have the polys for an entire city rendered when you don't need to? Just cut it into 8ths or whatever. Maybe it's someone fucking up the process when you export it - I know when I export models for a game via software I use it mirrors them. But still.

>>723266678
It didn't run fine. They had to strip out all details present in the beta version and leave the buildings as blocks with textures painted on because it wouldn't run.

>>723266708
Is it possible for a single model to be able to LOD itself? In my experience it's always the whole mod LODs, it's not like the head is always LOD0 while the body goes LOD2. The only way you could do that is if they were separate models.

>>723266185 (OP)
Why they do that?

>>723266824
with graphics worse than the 3ds it fucking should

>>723266691
How much can switch render anyway?
If you don't do something profoundly retarded, like not culling character/object models, or have ridiculously hi-poly count objects it should be fine.
>>723266816
Hey, I know plenty on the topic of real-time rendering.
Not consuming nintengarbage has no bearing on that.

>>723266837
Occam's razor suggests they're just bad at making video games. It's not like that'd be an earth-shattering revalation.

>>723266849
I have the beta files right now, what the hell are you talking about?

This is how the buildings looked in 2023

>people that have no idea why they did it like this are laughing about it
Yeah so? There's probably a good reason for it, none of us are working at Gamefreak to know for sure.

>>723266185 (OP)
It could be a proof of concept that will be sliced up instead of a literal model they're going to use.

>>723266493
>Modern Pokemon
>Promising
Good one

This is just gonna be a repeat of the stupid "SuMo has a bunch of Lillie out of bounds" where everyone pretends a normal thing is unusual isn't it?

Anyway this is probably only used for the finale.

pajeet or really incompetent jap
call it

>>723266684
>>723266849
even the switch 2 version was stripped? really? wtf is wrong with GF?

>>723266684
>>723266849
>>723267083
Why are you listening to these retards?

>>723267041
It's just some file that's maybe real because it looks like some facebook post? No one knows how it's used or if it ever was. Good for 3d printing maybe if someone wants to print the city

>>723266824
I don't say this often, but this genuinely looks like a PS2 game running at 1080p.

>>723266185 (OP)
real question, are normies (/v/) retarded? you can just slap some binary space partitioning on that in-engine, enable/disable chunks, you won't be able to see any of that in fucking *blender*.
this is like opening PNGs in mspaint and wondering where the transparency went.

>>723267258
PS2 games had more detail and more dynamic NPCs than this shit.

>>723266185 (OP)
and this is a bad thing because... ??

>>723266185 (OP)
>I CANT BREATH
Stealth George Floyd thread.

>>723266484
Its one object, the CPU load would be nothing

>>723267258
It looks like the London level of destroy all humans 2 on the ps2

>>723267335
Because it runs at sub-20fps on the Switch 2.

>>723266185 (OP)
What's the issue if the boys look good in skirts?

>>723266824
No, it doesn't. PS2 games looked better and had more NPCs on screen.

>>723266372
>forbidded

>>723267314
That looks more detailed but likely just window dressing, similar to the new Digimon game where everything is just a corridor but they fool you into thinking the worlds are big.

This game impressed me because I learned it has an underground area so big it needed its own map, and it actually looks decent.

>>723267381
Boys in stkirts are adotrrable and only trannys seethe about this because they think everyone wearing a skirt must be "female".

>>723267381
This, that's enough material to me for the rest of the year

>>723267158
Ok but that picture literally shows textures painted on a completely flat wall.

>>723266697
>It's not a trivial thing to do, but not impossible.
Are you calling Gamefreak competent?

>>723266691
>completely empty city with literally nothing else
so it's a pokemon game. Understood.

>>723266824
>The game runs at 60fps
On Switch 1 as well or only on Switch 2?

>>723266185 (OP)
>unoptimised graphics rendering detected

>>723267414
Are you retarded? The game doesn’t have a single frame drop.

>>723266824
>immaculate
bruh

>>723267374
gtfo...
really?

>>723266326
It means that the entire map is fully rendered at all times.

>>723266337
Typically, the map would be "chunked", or rather to say sliced up, and each part that is visible or very nearly visible would be loaded in. I suppose you could do the same with any model, but it's probably more trouble than it is worth when it isn't an environment. It's less dynamic than what I believe you are suggesting.

>>723267374
And? Ocarina of Time ran at 20fps and it's considered the greatest game of all time by literally everybody.

>>723266720
saar stop making assumptions conclusions of modal bloody bitch benchod sar

>>723267467
And that’s from the beta that you retards lied about, that’s the point.

>>723267474
lol
If I could do it, surely paid professional would be able to.

>>723266678
>What’s the issue if the game runs fine ?
You see, that's the funny thing.

>>723266185 (OP)
Modern scene render targets are 20 million faces or more these days. This city model is less demanding than the average AAA game's player character model. Even the switch 1 isn't going to have any problems rendering something like this at all times even assuming there is zero culling going on, which is a very stupid assumption culling faces that aren't on screen is a common technique.

>>723266678
>why should we optimize anything if we've made it barely past the level of "functional"

>>723267258
funny you post that image, because it is extremely likely that the engine used in your picture is the same engine running the pokemon game.

>>723267531
No

>>723267504
most ps2 games run at stable 30fps or 60fps, not every game is shadow of the colossus

>>723267428
>where everything is just a corridor but they fool you into thinking the worlds are big
And you think ZA isn't? You can't even walk off the streets.

>>723266697
>It's not a trivial thing to do, but not impossible
I know they didn't do this because they're really incompetent, but I would imagine a japanese studio doing this stupidity instead of cutting the model in different sections.

>meanwhile on the Nintendo Wii
How the fuck did they do it?

>>723266604
*laughs in 5th and 6th gen consoles*

>>723267578
That wasn't me. Maybe they meant alpha. Either way it looks like shit in current year.

>>723267596
>>723267610
>>723267414
>>723267374
The game runs at a stable 60 on Switch 2 and 30 on Switch 1. No performance hiccups like SV.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=H34ZUA-DD3M?si=AwdShoq6xdK4NrDz

Why don't japs know how to code? They've had computers for ages now.

>>723267747
Good texture work.

>>723267747
>Wii
>LR
Nice try, liar.

Only 120 dollarinos.

You guys are almost making me feel bad for Game Freak. Really raking them over the coals.

>>723267708
Yes the hell you can what the fuck are you talking about

>>723267843
The Classic Controller for the Wii had shoulder buttons, you STUPID BITCH who was wrong on the internet

>>723266337
I think you can cull the stuff that's out of frame. Not so sure about occlusion culling.
I think the bigger problem with this is texturing. How on earth do you texture this monstrosity?

>>723266824
I don't understand how you guys can still even talk about Pokemon, unless you're a degenerate fan of course. It's been 2 decades since it was good. Let it go

>>723266512
And the Switch 2 is almost 10x more powerful. It sure does suck to be poor.

>>723267725
>I would imagine a japanese studio doing this stupidity instead of cutting the model in different sections
Yeah, like shipping a debug build of your flagship product kind of stupid.

>>723267843
and the 2025 retard award goes to...

Looks like it's divided into quarters already. So load the quadrant the player is in, skybox the other quadrants, then load the new areas as needed? I don't know if that's a good idea or not, just a solution to loading everything at once.

>>723267827
hardware autism is *not* the same as software autism.

>>723267925
I take it all back! That's the most impressive open world I've ever seen! GAME FREAK! I KNEEL!!!!!!

>>723267801
>game runs absolutely fine on both S1/2
>loading the entire map means no loading screens for area transitions
What's the fucking problem then?

>>723267950
Only game that used that was smash and it never had sprites for them. Keep lying.

>>723267843
I grabbed the screenshot from some website but they are retarded for playing with the classic controller desu, nunchuk is peak ergonomics

Pokemon Cum and steel

>>723267423
Forbaded

>>723267981
Stupid poors buy Nintendo consoles, people who actually want to play good games build a PC for them.

>>723267314
Not defending GF, but that picture you posted is basically just flat models with a low res texture painted on it, and if you look at the people in the distance, they're just 2d textures.
That game definitely looks worse than the new pokemon, but with the power the switch has and a bit of optimization like in that picture, they could have made the game look 10 times better.

>>723268079
>Pokemon Cum
>>/trash/

>>723266824
Niggers = no buy.
Also capture that Pichu right fucking now.

>>723267981
damn that's a lot of flopping

>>723267747
Xenoblade is a Nintendo Game.
Pokémon is a Game Freak game.
They're two diferent things.
I'm pretty sure Game Freak is making games badly on purpose so Nintendo drops their shares on the IP so they can get them for cheap.

>>723268059
Gotta ride that pokedick for those pokebucks

>>723266185 (OP)
>all these retards talking about how modern hardware should have no problem with this
Try some critical thinking, retards. We aren't talking about a modern PC or a current-gen console. We're talking about the Switch and Switch 2, which are essentially upscaled 3DSes.

>>723266337
>I know culling is a thing but can it 'turn off' only a part of a model?
Yes, it can be done at the polygon level. That's exactly what enables back-face culling to work.

>>723268034
That obviously isn’t true since that’s clearly a screenshot of a Wii game with those sprites on-screen. I remember Xenoblade advertised as having support for that controller.

>>723266614
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/723234006/#723234006
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/MAGA/

>>723268059
>higher score than literally any non-Nintendo game ever
I KNEEL

>>723266372
At this point, they probably refuse to get upside help because even a couple of pajeets in a basement would do a better job than them, and that would be quite embarrassing .

>>723268221
You misremembered that.

>>723267925
can you climb that mountain

>>723268176
Monolithsoft made Xenoblade, did they not?

>>723267335
You keep ignoring the reasons. It's always rendered all the time, but you will refuse to process this because it isn't pro-Nintendo.

>>723266185 (OP)
>whole city is only 250k faces
on other platforms that would be just one character
but switch 2 will choke and wheeze trying to run this

>>723268059
The fuck you lying for nigga

>>723267970
Megatextures.

>>723267995
It actually isn’t half bad. I’m having.. fun

>>723267925
Can you piss off of that mountain?

>>723268269
I didn’t. You’re a strange little guy.

>>723266185 (OP)
>Nu-Pokemon games suck
VVovv...

>>723268313
Did you read the amount of reviews at all you dumbass

>>723268343
Is Death Stranding the only game that passes this test?

>>723268368
And yet it will outsell every other video game released in 2025, combined.

>>723266185 (OP)
250k tris is nothing.
Now the UV and texture size on the other hand... I'd like to see that beast.

>>723268394
No faggot, I just saw you were a lying cultist.

>>723266337
yes, load the entire model into vram, use compute shader to detect which range of vertices are visible to the player, only show that. OR load the entire thing into ram, on the CPU depending on where you are tell the GPU to draw a different subsection of the mesh only. There are different types of culling, ultimately the GPU doesn't care how you get triangles into the rasterizer, so a giant triangle soup can be faster than doing a bunch of individual drawcalls

>>723266432
You can, stfu.

>>723266484
what?

>>723266529
we don't know if this is true or false because we don't have the source code and can't hook into it with renderdoc and see what its doing.

>>723266824
it looks like a ps2 game it should run at 60fps

/v/tards need to stop spamming this you guys don't know how graphics programming works and I die inside everytime I have to read all this bs

>>723266493
>but we all know how that ended up.
how? did nanite not deliver?

>>723268439
I'm well aware of the fact it will probably sell 10 gorillion copies.

>>723268358
Tell me what sense it would make to have games be played with c z 1 and 2 on the wiimote and l r zl zr on the classic? No competent company would do this.

>>723266185 (OP)
>FPS: I CANT BREATH
Meanwhile in reality

>>723267258
What game?

>>723268519
Says the lying cultist

>>723266678
It could run better

>>723268637
WOAH. A PS2 game runs at 60fps on Switch 2! NOW THIS I GOTTA BUY! TAKE MY 500 DOLLARS MIYAMOTO!

The game looks good

>>723266678
But it doesn't run fine.

>>723268793
How can it run better than 60fps with 4k upscaling?

>>723268797
How come whenever people say this game looks like a pS2 game you guys never talk about the performance of the pS2 games you’re comparing it to?

>>723268797
OP was being a retard armchair gamedev trying to tell us that having a single mesh would destroy the framerate. It didn't. He's just grasping at straws.

>>723266824
Unironically looks like a Trails game.

>>723266185 (OP)
Don't worry guys, I heard the game starts to pick up after you leave Midgar.

>>723267981
Retard

>>723268868
What’s wrong with it

>>723266185 (OP)
I mean, do you really need to worry about optimization when youre making games with PS2 graphics in 2025?

Phones could probably run these Pokemon games.

>>723268896
FFXII ran at a solid 60fps on a PS2. The PS2 is a $300 console from NINTEEN NINETY NINE.
EXCUSE MEEEE for expecting better from a $500 console in TWENTY TWENTY FIVE.

>>723268972
Exhaled a little faster than usual.

>>723269019
30fps on Switch 1

They are most likely using the same engine since red and blue but just upgraded by themselves.
It's an extremely shitty engine for 3d specially when you mix it with how weak the Switch is, but it's the one they know how to use and they aren't in the position of ditching everything and redo all systems on a new engine they don't know either (+ they'd have to pay for using it).
I wouldn't be surprised if the engine just lacks a lot of common modern tech techniques currently so that's why they had no other option but to make a single model. It was that or slicing the city in chunks and make multiple load screens between areas like the old games.
The game doesn't look to me like it even handles lods, or if it does they don't make them, on top of what is the city model things just pop in fully rendered when you reach the distance, although it's pretty high for environmental objects.
Fans are coping saying that a lod for aerial shots or something, you can easily tell it isn't, the city isn't more high poly than than in game.

>>723269032
Phones could easily run these games (theoretically of course, we all know Game Freak is incompetent and the games would run like shit regardless), they literally look worse than mobile games from half a decade ago running on phone hardware from 2017.

>>723266824
So this is the power of the 360…

>>723269041
You were saying...

I don’t understand why this guy would post a metacritic score that’s fake or out of date.

>>723269041
Yeah and this is how shitty it looked

>>723266185 (OP)
did they hire yanderedev

Fucking X and Y had nicer looking buildings with more texture detail and better UV mapping
fucking shameful

>>723269220
250k tris for a town is a lot different than 250k tris for a toothbrush

>>723266185 (OP)
>a bunch of zones separated by a loading screen
>one single fucking model
why

>>723269032
The target hardware isn't a phone, it's a console which is supposed to be more powerful than its predecessor and has allowed games such as Kirby and the Forgotten Land to receive 60FPS updates

>>723266185 (OP)
Why didn't the idiots just model the buildings individually so they could actually implement lod.

>>723266337
yeah you can do it
its not even a lot of vertices
this is just another instance of tech illiterate retards throwing a tantrum

>>723268540
No, UE5 games notoriously run like shit.
It might or might not be the fault of the engine, I don't think there's a conclusion on the matter yet. Developers seem to be switching to UE5 en masse so there must be something good about it. Regardless it wasn't the magic super turbo grafix button it was imagined to be

>are decent chunk of people unironically think the switch 2 is weaker than the fucking Wii thanks to game freaks dogshit programming
Why doesn’t Nintendo just put a different studio in charge of Pokémon a this point

>>723267531
yes

>>723269207
It truly is the biggest scam in human history. Everyone knows about it. Its done entirely in plain sight. Yet nobody seems to care.

>>723269290
that requires effort

>>723267867
I'm not feeling bad for people getting 90% profit margins.

>>723267530
I think the game also looks like shit, but what you posted has nothing to do with draw distance.

>>723266824
Fr the game is gorgeous

>>723269401
Bruh, I just checked and silver is over $50 an ounce now. Fucking crazy.

Tendies are never beating those cultist allegations.

>>723269365
>Developers seem to be switching to UE5 en masse so there must be something good about it
You can one-click build for Linux/Windows/Mac/iOS/Android/Switch/Switch 2/PS5/Xbox. There's also a very large asset store and out of the box libraries for things like networking. It is the Python of game engines.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HOLY SHIT

IT IS ONE FUCKING CITY

REDDIT HAS LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS


HAHAHAHAHAHA
>60fps
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>4K
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY LOOK LIKE PS2 MODELS

>>723268819
Which one?
It obviously can't be related to the pic you posted

>>723267867
>Nintendo: Uh, maybe you guys should get Square Enix or someone else to help you with development
>Gamefreak: No thanks, rendering an entire city's model at once is good enough
They dug their own grave.

>>723269580
>REDDIT HAS LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS
source? i want to read their tears

>>723268819
Nah

>>723266678
They could in theory make other aspects of the game have higher fidelity if they didn't waste resources rendering things you can't see.

>>723267591
for people who chomp at the bit to defend gayfreak they sure seem to be completely unaware of literally anything to do with this company at all

and people honestly think that Beast of Reincarnation will have no issues.

>>723266185 (OP)
Didn't know Reboot was getting a new game.

>>723266678
>let's make a car that just leaks half a gallon of gas every half-kilometer
>who cares if it could be better?It still runs

>>723269401
>>723269527

>>723270068
Can you even measure that it's a problem in the first place? Like has anyone run tests in some engine to see how vertex culling is handled?

Can you ride the train?

>>723267542
no it doesn't

>>723266185 (OP)
How much you wanna bet they did this because they got clowned on for S/V having such shitty LODs. They thought Fuck it, load everything all the time and it'll surely fix it.

>>723266185 (OP)
Once they realized you niggers would buy anything they stopped giving a shit. Wake up.

>>723270152
Nice

>>723266337
Yes, but this is gamefreak we're talking about.

>>723270068
What exactly do you need more to run better if the framerate is smooth and stable the draw distance is superb and the Pokémon aren’t falling through the ground?

>>723266185 (OP)
Pokemon was inside the Monster Rancher disk all along??

>>723266678
It doesn't.

>>723270501
Well they were right

>>723270843
?

>>723268084
>pretending to be retarded

>>723270152
Imagine just getting a job as a cashier at the grocery store and getting $52 an hour. No wonder nobody back then went to college, and everyone could afford a house with just the dad working. That's equivalent to a 100k salary today. And that was minimum wage.

>>723270958
Are you the same guy that posted the fake 86 metacritic score?

>>723271147
My grandfather was a stock clerk at a hardware store and he was paid equivalent to something like $60 an hour now.
Absolute insanity.

>>723267843
lol you dunderfuck

>>723268596
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7gX8osJGw

>>723271643
Stop, stop, he's already dead.

>b-but culling
No, it's still a retarded way to do it. It's expensive to do culling checks for 350 thousand vertices.

If you have a model for each building, then you can just create a simple bounding box for each building. Now you only have to check a single cube per building to find out if the building is visible or not, and then you only have to worry about per-vertex culling on buildings that are at least partially visible.

>>723271578
Sometimes I wonder what life would be like if Ron Paul actually won in 2008 or 2012 and brought us back to a gold-based currency. Would things be better now, or would they find some other way to screw us?

>>723268015
You're on /v/, that should honestly tell you all you need to know.

>>723269469
No hold on what the fuck is that dish in Z-A.
A fucking gelatinous curry mound served with croissants?

>>723270152
>>723272041
Bretton woods was not actually a gold standard, it was a scam which is why it collapsed. The US went off the peg almost immediately and the currency almost collapsed when the rest of the world found out that america didn't have as much gold as it was saying it did.

The entirety of Pokemon Z-A is coded within the main() function.

>>723266337
>I know culling is a thing but can it 'turn off' only a part of a model?
Small Indie Company, Please Understand.

>>723272041
Imagine being there and popping a boner

>>723271147
Completely unrelated to the thread's topic, but this was a nice excuse to look this girl up.
She's mylittlerobin and she's got some nice titties that she isn't afraid to get out.
That is all.

>Nintendorks trying to tell you that this cube with a jpeg balcony on it is okay because... its cozy and it fixed some of the pop in

I can't handle this level of cuckery, it's literally psychotic levels of bootlicking.

>>723268176
>Pokémon is a Nintendo franchise only when we talk about the positive aspects, like sales.
>Pokémon is not a Nintendo franchise when we talk about the negative aspects, like performance.
Tendies, ladies and gents.

>>723272710
>mylittlerobin
time for a fap then. Cheers anon

>/v/ pretends to know game dev again
I liked it more when you tards talked about stocks.

>>723272370
I wish gold coins were real. Dollars are so fucking gay.

>>723266185 (OP)
>entire city has less triangles than a single bat from Jack's game
Pathetic.

>>723272860
>You need to understand game development to know if a game's performance is poor.
Do I need to be a mechanic to know if my car is running like shit?

Is culling a lost technology?

>>723273007
Gamefreak is a special case because they never had the technology in the first place.

>>723273007
no. what the fuck are you talking about

>>723266678
>What’s the issue if the game runs fine ?

>>723273007
Iwata taught them about optimization and they promptly forgot

>>723267801
bruh the switch 2 version does not look any different

>>723269041
FFXII ran at a shoddy 30fps on ps2, I'm not a gamefreak defender but get it right please, the framerate in big fights was pretty bad and you had to queue your magic at the right times so you could use it when there were less particles on screen to speed it up

>>723269469
Looks like a very nicely molded mountain of slop, a great metaphor for the game itself really. Its a shame that those croissants are taking up so much of the FPS that they had to paint on fake windows on the side of every building. I'm sure it was worth it though!

No Serena. No buy.

>253k faces
It’s no yandev toothbrush.
This is a map model I bet.

has pokemon game actually flopped recently?

>>723266678
>What’s the issue if the game runs fine?
Strange whenever I look up performance videos on this game all I get are videos where the player does not move. Meanwhile the only useful link I found was deleted from reddit. I wonder what they're trying to cover up.

>>723268540
>>723269365
Nanite would easily work with OP's model. It would be able to render part of the city near the player's camera in high detail, and then simplify polygons of the model far away from the camera. It has high static CPU overhead, and it has some restrictions, but for OP's case it would work perfectly.

>>723269396
They can’t. The split ownership of Pokemon means they really don’t get much say in how GF manages themselves.
GF knows that they’re nothing without pokemon, so nobody but them gets to touch the main games.

>>723266185 (OP)
My friend said:
i'm no expert but there is no way that's true
it's either for lighting or for some other purpose and not the actual mesh loaded in at all times
simply because the switch wouldn't be able to handle that
l for the bait but the amount of people that did and think they're game dev experts is astonishing

Is he wrong?
He seems to think it's for the LOD too.

>>723274286
Pokemon sales are at an all time high. Even the dogshit DP remakes sold 15 million copies. And since the budget was 10 million, the games made almost a billion dollars. And they were universally regarded as terrible.

>>723274402
Nintendo's fault for not buying them out when they were small frys. Bet they could still do it if they weren't so cheap.

>>723267258
Hey, Don't insult the PS2, Ok?

why can no one on the internet spell "breathe"

>>723269191
>admitting to being a manchild
lmao, im sure you thought it was a nice gottem moment huh

>>723267542
it does not have to mean that

>>723266372
>forbidded them of being creative
Go to be, Kumar. You guys have already done enough damage to the gaming industry.

>>723266185 (OP)
What I want to know is why can't GF just cell shade the game, make it look like the anime. At least with stylized graphics they can hide the polygons and textures better.

>>723266678
Big if lol

pokemon fans eat anything gf shits out, they have 0 incentive to improve

>>723274439
It would make actually designing the city an immense bitch. Imagine having to edit the entire model every time you wanted to change one building. GF cuts corners, they don’t make more work for themselves unnecessarily.
There is no use for a monolithic model except for something like an LOD or (mini)map version.

>>723268638
Xenosaga, either 2 or 3

They didn't even divide this shit up into like pizza slices or something? Like nigga do they really render the whole donut city? What the absolute fuck is wrong with game devs?

>>723274439
>it's either for lighting or for some other purpose and not the actual mesh loaded in at all times
A separate model for lighting can be occasionally used in games. For example if a game uses ray tracing, it can have a very detailed object of a model to display, and then a much simplified one for ray tracing calculations. But it's a fucking switch pokemon game, it doesn't use ray tracing or any similar techniques. There's just no way it uses that large model for lighting.

>>723266185 (OP)
Could work if they virtualized the geometry like megatextures, let's be fair there's no way Gamefreak are doing this.

>>723266185 (OP)
honestly that's not really a problem. Its not even a million polys. Any system could easily run that nowadays. They could optimize it more but I dont think it would be the bottleneck.

>>723266678
People are mad because they got scammed into paying for a CS degree, only to work as code monkeys.
That being said if they decide to go triple A they're gonna have to fix it, but Pokemon sells so much they don't have to.

>>723275117
>There's no way they are that incompetent!
Does the game look like shit?
Does it run like shit?
Is it full of bugs and glitches?
If it looks like a duck swims like a duck and sounds like a duck, then it's a fucking DUCK.

>>723274402
this isnt true. nintendo has the majority of say about absolutely everything pokemon. gamefreak merely has the rights to develop the main games. nintendo probably keeps defunding them because they know gamefreak is retarded.

>>723266185 (OP)
thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbuypvkgU0s&list=RDzbuypvkgU0s&start_radio=1

>>723266337
The entire model is loaded into memory, but only what is seen by the player is actually drawn.

Does it matter? The geometry is very basic and the entire model is probably only 30 mb large, so probably not.

>>723266185 (OP)
Seriously you idiots just look at this post >>723268521
Partially rendering a model has been a thing for years now. Late PS2 games were doing it to save on the draw to the GPU. It's not common now because you can just raw power through most of the time you might want to do it.
>but this is nintendo/gamefreak
Who prioritise optimising over raw power. It's everyone else who wouldn't think about doing this. That's why most modern AAA games don't work well unless you got a 5060

>>723275152
> That being said if they decide to go triple A they're gonna have to fix it, but Pokemon sells so much they don't have to.
Pokemon has pretty much hit a sales ceiling. Especially now that fewer kids are being born and playing on consoles. They aren’t going to increase the budget tenfold for a maybe 10% budge in sales. Line Go Up is the only thing that matters.

>>723266824
Emulator is outputting 30fps at native setting on the 1.0 patch, The game is not 60fps. Unless the update bumps the framerate this game is not 60fps.

>>723275191
No you dingus, the opposite, there's no way that they are competent enough to implement a system to virtualize geometry and have a single model where only what is needed is loaded into ram.

>>723266185 (OP)
People still buy Pokemon stuff. "People" still buy Pokemon cards. Spiritually this is brown

>>723275454
I somehow misread a simple sentence with less than 20 words.

While making the whole map one model is dumb, 355k verts is not big at all by modern standards, even for the switch.

>>723269365
Wrong.
Nanite works perfectly, if the dev pipeline is reworked to fit UE5s design.
You can dl UE5 and try it out yourself with extremely detailed models.

>>723266185 (OP)
Game engine must suffer from severe bottlenecks when handling drawcalls, I remember in Source it is actually faster to use fewer bigger models than less expensive but more numerous models because of overhead.

>>723275972
Now have all collisions, pathfinding layers, textures and shaders loaded for that model too.
Oh and then add all the NPCs, props, etc.

What's the problem if it runs fin-ACK

>>723268225
Way to be so retarded you couldn't understand his reference

>MUH GRAPHICS
>MUH CHUNGUS YOTEI EYE REFLECTION GUYS!! OMG!!! THE GRAPHICS!!
>I LOVE CINEMATIC GAMES! I LOVE TLOU!!
>Is it fun? what is ... fun? I DON'T CARE LOOK AT THE GRAPHICS!!! THE EYE REFLECTION!!!! OMG!!!!!

>>723268896
FFXIV looks better, and runs better as well lol

>>723276158
ok? The game still runs fine and even goes to 4k 60fps on Switch2

>>723275428
You are emulating the Switch 1 version which is 30 fps. The Switch 2 version is 60 fps.

>>723276158
Not necessarily. They have their own engine, so they can control how the model is loaded and used. It being "one model" means nothing more than all the data is one file. With custom code and shaders, you can render or do computations on as much or as little as you want.

>>723276363
So it doesn't run fine on Switch 1.

>Another pokemon release cycle where /v/ loses their minds
How the fuck do you people think you get to a billion dollar franchise? It's not the quality that matters but the amount that sells.

Makes sense it's single asset because the buildings look terrible
>>723276416
All we have to go off of is GF's masterclass in 3D optimization in S/V >>723276185

>>723267189
>removing functionally dead code might not be worth it
Yeah gamefags really pretend they know what they're doing when making pokemans.

>>723266185 (OP)
these posts will never not be cringe.
when you rip something from a game, you do not get the original assets that the artists worked on. 3d objects are converted to tris when exported to the game engine, and then converted again to a format that can be efficiently read by the GPU. many assets are also encrypted, including components that make up assets that have been ripped. all this obfuscating results in a completely different result to what the artists originally worked on.

>>723276625
whoa! i never thought of that, bro tell us more about your deep insights

>>723277123
You are correct sir. You are not getting the object as developers worked on it. You are getting the object as it is in game and HAVING THE ENTIRE FUCKING CITY BE A SINGLE POLYGON IS THE STUPIDEST FUCKING THING IMAGINABLE

>>723267189
>data locality
>on a cartridge

>>723266372
>outsource help
Fuck off, jeet. The last thing you do is "help".

>>723277262
Why? Occlusion culling removes over 90% of those triangles before they are rendered.

>>723266337
You can, but it's inefficient because you're also forcing the GPU to work out what, precisely, it needs to cull, which is non-trivial.

>>723277170
you being aborted would have had no affect on anyones life

>>723266337
If there was a way to do that, it would have been split into multiple models, because not only is it simple, it's the basis of all 3D rendering by every other competent developer.

>>723277405
>outsource means india
retard. nintendo wanted squeenix to do pokemon instead because gf is incompetent

>>723268321
Kek underrated

>>723266185 (OP)
What's actually the problem with this?

>>723277461
Not defending the decision but the city itself is full of flat 4 sided buildings. There's not much geometry to cull.

>>723277727
It's an inefficient way of handling a city only saved by the model being much lower in detail to other games. It explains why balconies are flat textures kek.

>>723277123
This is the correct response. Some random ripped the model who has zero dev experience making false claims and everyone believes him. And it keeps happening, same shit happened with starfield.
It's literally a baked normal map, as in it establishes directional facing. It tells the game "hey, this wall is facing this way, so light/occlusion should be cast like this".

>>723277754
maybe that's why they simplified the models

>>723277727
the problem is OP's brain

>>723266185 (OP)
its probably so they can copyright closed arena monster battle games to their list of bullshit copyright claims Nintendo seem to have these days

>>723267345
Cope

>>723278302
i hope so.

>>723277727
It's Yandere Simulator levels of bad optimization. The camera doesn't need to render the entire city off-screen at all times, but as a single model it is difficult to use occlusion culling, and therefore the framerate tanks.

>>723266372
I wonder if their insane stinginess extends to office conditions as well.
Like, these guys are working on a production that will bring in around $250 million in profits, but they're using keyboards with missing keys, mice with double clicks, monitors with fucked colors, stuff like that, lol.

>>723279169
>partition model into cells (like a 3D grid)
>check player position (O(1) operation) and player view direction (O(1) operation
>mark cells as visible or not visible
>in the draw pass you use vertex pulling to only render the visible cells
>fully gpu driven approach, no need for constant CPU <-> GPU communication for this.
They could be doing the yandere dev simulator approach where they render the entire model at once but I doubt it. Switch hardware is kind of shitty, the framerate would tank instantly and they would have to fix it. Plus its such an easy and simple optimization why wouldn't they do it.

>it's the daily "gamers know more about making game and programming and optimization than people who actually make games" thread
just waiting for somebody to post that train head NPC from Fallout, when it's actually a clever and efficient solution

>>723266824
The shit nintardo faggots will put up with never ceases to amaze. They could execute a child on stage and you would find some way to defend it.

>>723268109
consider that the average cellphone today is about 20x as powerful as the PS2. programmers back then had to use all kinds of tricks to make things look good and run well, today they just follow the standard practice they learned in school same as artists

>>723279767
>gamers know more about making game and programming and optimization than people who actually make games"
I would trust literally fucking anyone to know more about programming and optimization than Gamefreak. Gamefreak has been bad at this shit since the fucking Gameboy.

>>723279932
/v/ doesn't know anything about graphics programming. Just look at all the posts in this thread insisting it has to be one model and refusing to accept any other explanation

>>723266185 (OP)
So, what's the benefit of doing it like this?

>>723279791
this but snoys and snoy

>>723272296
Yeah I get that it's a game and the food isn't meant to be taken seriously, but what the fuck.

If I'm eating curry I want flatbread, and if I'm eating croissants I don't want to soak them in fucking sauce, and I don't feel like that's a particularly radical opinion to have. What the fuck Game Freak.

>>723266575
If there's only one model it's easier to pick up.

>>723280067
is playstation even alive?

>>723266185 (OP)
>tfw jeet tendie developers are so retarded they can't even develop with max area topology

>>723280140
no, but that doesn't stop the brand-obsessed from being obnoxious dipshits

>>723266824
>This is what tendies believe is "next-gen"
wow

>>723280328
all the former playstation fanboys have moved on to pc. the only ones left still defending brand slop are nintendoids.

>>723279767
I'd trust someone with a month of experience in Unity to optimize a game over game freak

>>723280475
must suck being a playstation fanboy in current year, huh
can't even openly fight the "good" fight because they suck way too hard, gotta constantly hide behind another's coattail

>>723279767
Remember when they had several copies of Lillie loaded into every map instead of calling a single model like a sane game would?

>>723280475
Good joke. Snoys are too dumb and poor for PC, even if they break conditioning.

>>723280601
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
This was crack for the snoy enthusiast after years of "no games" posting

>>723266337
no but you can build a new mesh of only specific faces using some sort of algorithm and send that to the gpu
nanite does that kinda but i don't think it generates meshlets at runtime

>>723266965
soul...

>>723266185 (OP)
So this is why the buildings are flat squares with details only painted on
Disgusting

>>723267363
>Its one object
No such thing. an object is a list of tris.

>>723268896
>How can it run better than 60fps with 4k upscaling?
the s2 has a 1080p screen, wtf are you on about

>>723266372
>>723268235
>>723274680
Nobody itt can spell correctly

>>723266185 (OP)
So? Who cares?

>>723266185 (OP)
>/v/ thinks culling off-screen polygons doesn't exist.

>>723282037
And you don't have to play it on thats screen retard

>>723269172
>+ they'd have to pay for using it).
Gamefreak has more money than the bilderbergers and the rothschilds put together, i refuse to believe they don't. It's just the typical thing they always do, gamefreak's always so goddamn stingy...

>>723280736
Gamefreak doesn't even know of the flyweight model?

>>723279767
>People who are passionate know more than retards at a company that hasn't delivered a single good product in nearly two decades, was always trying to scam people with lest work required and just sues everyone doing slightly better job at them. Doing the most barebones dogshit job for the most profitable franchise ever and charging premium prices for it
Yes.
They don't give a shit because they know retards will buy this shit anyway, even an average /v/tard would do a better job simply because he would give at least a little bit of shit.

>>723283909
Game Freak isn't competent enough for something like that

>>723266824
>immaculate
You have some very low standards.

>>723267972
I'm one of those and even then I still hardly talk about it.
>>723268059
What in the CTMU is this? When Langan was talking about retrocausality, I'm reasonably sure it had nothing to do with botting reviews before the game even released.

>>723279767
Unironically, random unpaid modders are probably better devs than 95% of paid game devs.
See the Total Warhammer 3 drama for a recent example proving as much.

>>723266678
Of course it runs fine when the entire city is nothing but boxes with textures.

>>723266185 (OP)
I don't even understand why Nintendo allows such an obviously incompetent american developer to be responsible for one of their most valuable intelectual property

>>723266185 (OP)
Blows my mind that these games are still being successfully marketed
One frame of final fantasy 9 has more creativity than the last four of these

>>723267981
holy fuck the switch is weak
LMAO

>>723266824
FF X looked better than this on the PS2.

It just looks like a lazy collision mesh to me, rather than the full detailed you see running around, but I haven't seen gameplay. I would HOPE the buildings aren't all flat walls up close.

>>723266185 (OP)
Honest game design

>>723266185 (OP)
heh...cute how tech illiterate people don't seem to understand The Switch 2 is powerful enough to render about 100 of those at the same time.....maybe educate youselves before talking about tech....

>>723270152
I would be so kino to have some coins in your pocket being an actually significant amount of money.

digital currency is soulless, it doesn't even feel real. maybe because it isn't, it's just some numbers on a screen that can be altered anytime

>>723284446
enjoying driving a car doesn't mean you know shit about how to build a car, that's the point. maybe the car builders don't know shit either, but just being a good driver doesn't mean you know anything about how it works, even just the basics of the engine. Besides, maybe, little things you might intuitively pick up on here and there based on how it functions

>>723286479
Because it did, although it didn't have to deal with a large seamless environment.
https://noclip.website/#ffx/046;ShareData=AZy_zUdNE8T0VuZ9qf/c=Y/bV5fPJPUYUvpT~9OlV6ellUjyi18yJ3FUlnO)VS

https://noclip.website/#ffx/074;ShareData=ARG|4T|:1WT:c!Z9tIz)+*TYy6ao0nUY6FET-*hwVceh|Uv(QG9DhE4UNfFzVt

>when devs had to make do with 4mb of VRAM

>>723272041
>if Ron Paul actually won in 2008 or 2012
Almost nothing would have changed, it's still the rich elite suppressing the lower to middle classes for all they're worth
Unless we get a radical anti-capitalist like Bernie into presidential office, absolutely nothing will ever change because nobody will oppose those who seek to keep up the status quo

>>723287489
Dunno, both sides shut down Ron Paul pretty hard. He was an actual political outsider hated by the establishment, the thing that everyone thought or hoped Trump was. 4chan back then was rabid for Ron Paul, it wasn't a left or right thing, just a genuine "shit's fucked and needs to change" sentiment like Occupy Wall Street was.

>>723287617
>everyone thought or hoped Trump was
Retards, mostly
>the rich guy with a background in enriching his own pockets and nothing besides that is totally on our side!!

What is it like working at gamefreak? What are the perks?

>>723287681
I remember some of the news shows during the election when Ron Paul was running. They'd show the red and blue candidates with their portraits and names, then just have a silhouette for Ron Paul that said "Third Party" even when he was polling higher than one or both of the main candidates. they seriously didn't like him.

>>723266326
>ps3 level gpu
it's ogre

>>723284897
Too bad we're not talking about modders, we're talking about people who hear something on the internet, take it at face value, and say that it's a hack job. You'd probably get armchair programmers chimping out when they hear the phrase "lazy loading"

>>723266185 (OP)
>>723266326
Kratos in God of War 2018 literally has like 150k polygons. A single character on a ps4 game.
People are blowing this way out of proportion. ~300k is fuck all in 2025.

>>723288010
>uh hey....so....
>Yeah? What's up?
>uh....my cock....hahahaha

>>723288601
Show me you're triangle.

>>723288628
fresh off the presses

>>723273625
Why go on the internet and tell lies? Seriously, do you have bingtendos stick that far up your ass?
FFXII ran consistently at 60fps for the NTSC, 50fps for the PAL version you lying sack of fucking shit.
And that was thanks to the hz of the respective tvs back then, not because the PS2 was somehow limiting it.

>>723266185 (OP)
Retards.
I expect nothing leas from lowly DS developers.

>>723287951
you're missing the point. the number of vertices being low is part of the problem, and why everything looks flat and undecorated and like shit. the map should have been rendered in chunks and each chunk should have had more vertices.

>>723289127
Morrowind rendered in chunks. Minecraft renders in chunks. You really wanna go back to that shit?

>>723288836
Pretty good but its missing the soulless gas, chromatic aberration, bloom, lese flare and the image needs to be a bit blurry because TAA is enabled and without it the game looks like dogshit for some reason.

>>723267189
I get very annoyed knowing that resources get wasted on anti-piracy encryption and if it's a single player game, anti-cheat. Hold on I gotta do 100 round trips between a server every time you take a step to make sure you're not cheating against the AI in your own story.

>>723266185 (OP)
Surely this is only for overhead money shots or when the city is far away right? When you're actually walking inside it uses a more modular, segmented models.

>>723289185
>You really want modern devs to copy successful and fun games?
Sure if that'll help, why not?

>>723267867
They fucking deserve it
The most profitable media franchise in the world and the devs are fucking useless

>>723289249
Anon I....

>>723266185 (OP)
what's the source on this?
for all that's presented it could be a low poly version of the city used for cutscenes.

>>723283909
If they can actually do that they don't need to cope with painted building details, idiot.

>modern character models have over 300k tris in them
>/v/ insists that a 200k tri object will crash the game and make it run horribly
once again, /v/ faggots prove to be utter retards

>>723289185
i wasn't using chunks in the literal sense. i was just using it to mean several smaller maps. i knew i should've clarified that or used a different word. lol

>>723266824
Why is it so fucking BLURRY

>>723271147
And you had fuckall to spend it on.

>>723287880
It managed to run GTA4 & Saints Row 3, which are both doing far more than this new Pokemon game is.

and you will still buy it

Holy shit we need you regular people to stop getting access to this information because most of you have double digit IQs

>>723267363
It's not just one material nigga
That shit is gonna be running like ass

>>723268540
I tried the engine once and turning nanite on things made my little game run so much worse my pc turned off.

>>723269463
Yeah because this game only has lod models

>>723272964
The bat has nothing on that nigga's fur coat at the start of the game

>>723273007
Yes because game logic runs so bad nowadays that you will always hit the game's shitty cap and your cpu and gpu will be left twiddling their thumbs looking at a load they're not allowed to process.

>>723289407
Movieslop

All this shit feels so fake, anyone can post whatever shit on the internet and the average retard will believe it even with the blatant lack of sources.

>>723274316
>yuzu deletes footage of emulator running pre-release game
>muh coverup
Exceptionally stupid post

>>723272964
I really wanna play his game but it's so weirdly blurry on PC, I don't get it. I understand it was a rushed and low budget project and a lot of things aren't even close to optimized, there wasn't even an attempt for most of it, but the weird blurriness is just hard to ignore. Low FPS is whatever, low graphics settings are fine, but that blurriness makes me feel like I've got something in my eyes the whole time I try to play it

seemed pretty cool until I couldn't cope anymore though

>>723291829
I strongly believe that bots and/or paid shills are a significant portion of online commenters, and that most "trends" are entirely artificial. Just imagine, with enough money you could make tons of websites and content seemingly organic/grassroots to push some idea or discussion that eventually becomes "real" when actual people start talking about it. That was always possible, but it's much easier and faster now with AI

>>723268540
Nanite's capable, but most developers (pretty much artists with no mindset for engineering) both don't know how to use it and do not care to use it well.

>Gran Turismo 5: Prologue, PS3, 2007
>Cars - 200,000 polygons (probably interior + exterior)
>Gran Turismo 5
>Cars ~500K photomode

>Forza Motorsport 4, Xbox 360, 2011
>500,000-1,000,000 for auto vista,
>Lamborghini Reventon - 562,786
>Halo Warthog 798,005

>>723280078
>>723272296
That's a quirky dish that the first friend the MC make in Lumiose made and it's not presented as a serious dish that anyone would eat.
One of the MC's pals calls it a monstruosity in fact.

>>723288010
Do you guys have sparkle horse?

>>723266986
yeah we call it incompetence.

>>723267843
did you kys yet

>all the talks focusing on muh one model city, ugly graphics
>no one is talking about how janky combat and movement are and how nerfed catching is
Feels like a crazy person to care this much about gameplay in a videogame

>>723287489
>a radical anti-capitalist like Bernie

>>723289185
It's almost like chunks are a basic optimization technique or something, gee isn't that weird

>>723289087
>Horrible fuck up the Pearl and Diamond remakes
>"Yeah guess we shouldn't do that huh?"
Fuck you.

>>723267626
Thats xenosaga, a squaresoft game. everyone had their own engines back in the ps2 era.

>>723266185 (OP)
wtf my switch just exploded and flew over my house

>>723266824
this looks like a wii game

>>723270152
>a quarter is worth $10.31
>pennies are worth $0.41
>have to start minting micropennies to properly make change

>>723266185 (OP)
FULLY MODELED

>>723266824
YJK

>>723295136
>A squaresoft game
You're retarded

>>723267843
that's clearly the wii ui

>>723288987
hey man, you're completely wrong

https://youtu.be/BCZ2OGOBdLQ?t=570

>>723269365
>There must be something good about it
Asset library, the defaults produce results that the managers can show off and it allows for quick and sloppy work.
Practically every UE5 title is professional asset flip tier for a reason, it's an engine designed for managers who overpromise, underdeliver and dodge responsibility and those are the managers who are deciding what engines to use.

>>723287681
At that point, he was the only politician in like 20 years to actually listen to the working class on certain populist positions like closing the southern border. And to be fair, he is at least following through with that now (even though there's still no wall)

>>723290106
Oh noooo!
Such a horrible fate
I have TOO MUCH MONEY and NOT ENOUGH EXPENSES!
The monthly mortgage payment and groceries are covered by just a few days of work
Please, government-sama, ship my factory job overseas so that I can buy cheap knick-knacks from Temu!

>>723296517
In the Eurozone they just stopped minting pennies. If you pay in cash, your change has to come back rounded to the nearest 5 cent increment. And I already heard discussion of the 5c coin eventually being phased out.

>>723290343
Well, neither GTA nor SR render their cities in full all the time.

>>723284446
Doubt

>>723266185 (OP)
They made it this way so they could look at the whole city facing the final boss. It doesn't help that it's the worst final boss of the franchise ever and it looks retarded, but there is a reason for all of this

>>723300573
just load a separate full city model for this scene, not for the entire game, jesus christ

>>723266185 (OP)
Every game engine for the past two decades has had backface culling. The choice may still be retarded as shit, but it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't impact the performance as much as you like to pretend it will.

>>723289185
Morrowind looks better than this game.

>>723266185 (OP)
well done you retarded fucks

>>723266337
Culling helps the GPU.
CPU still remembers every single vertex at once.

>>723266185 (OP)
The mertits of their approach aside: 335k verts is actually really impressive given the scale. They must be doing all sorts of other stuff to fill out the rest of the apparent geometry.

>>723271009
Did he shoot him?

>>723287951
And that game ran at sub 30 fps on base PS4 which is more powerful than the switch which this thread is about

>>723301245
It's also more fun, extensible, timeless, etc. Who is going to be maintaining the Pokémon N+1 fan fork 23 years from now? No one.

>>723287951
He is MC in a third person movie game, I'd expect him to get exuberant poly budget.

>>723300597
smol indi compani
pls understan

>>723302226
that ran on a base ps4 at 30 fps, along with the entire world and other enemies on screen.

note: ps4 came out in 2013, 12 years ago

>>723266185 (OP)
yandere simulator has a tooth brush with the same amount of polygons and the game runs fine

>>723300573
wait does that really have metal bondage gear all over its face

oh lord the rule 34 cumminity is gonna have a field day with this

>>723301690
It's insane how bad you need my cock.

>>723266678
It could run better and not look like ass.

>>723302657
maybe, will it make it run and play not like ass. is that what it would literally take, your cock to make nintendo pull the other one outta theirs

WILL IT

WILL IT BE ENOUGH

HERES THE THING

I REALLY FUCKIN DOUBT IT

>>723302363
It's a more powerful bit of kit than the 8 year old portable that's gonna run ZA.
Honestly, I don't know jack about graphics pipelines, and which of the three letter abbreviations is gonna be the most taxed. But if you are throwing out numbers at me, and the highly detailed specimen that takes up a third of the screen is using half of what a map does, which is 95% occluded at all times, it's not very convincing.

>>723302985
>But if you are throwing out numbers at me
>specimen that takes up a third of the screen
yeahhhhhhh, no, thats not what god of slop is doing, sir, even if we ignore that i also mentioned "and the map and several enemies". yowch.

the apologists for this incompetence are insane, game could look much better but instead we get this flat garbage with no detail cause japs cant code for shit

>>723267981
>3.1 tflops when docked
isn't this, like, less than the gtx 970 had?

>>723268275
Monolith is owned by Nintendo. GF isn't.

>>723268343
Yes, if you call it a hill.

>>723266185 (OP)
Doable if geometry and textures are virtualized, Gamefreak lack the skills to implement this, but 355k tris is not that big these days, 8th gen game characters would hit around 150k tris, 9th gen around 250k tris with some games featuring characters 400k tris and up. Lumiose is about as complex geometrically as just 2 Garten of Banban characters.

>>723266337
Yes, and the Switch 2 supports this, but the Switch 1 doesn't, but at the same time you could implement this by rendering the environment in software (compute) which there's no way Gamefreak are skilled enough to implement this.

>>723266678
Visually this game is a 60fps Switch 1 title.

How have these threads been hitting bump limit for like 10 years now
Yes GameFreak suck at making videogames, we know

it's like this guy >>723267972 said, this topic and series is so fucking tapped out

>>723303965
her hands look like AI hands

>>723291161
Nanite essentially generates LODs for you, it shouldn't crash your PC
for scenes with many ultra-detailed meshes (like say a crowd, or an armory) it would auto-gen the LODs and swap between them

>>723291829
Not fake, but ridiculously inaccurate (so of course /v/tards believe it). I don't even like Pokemon, but so much of these leaks have definitely been misconstrued.

>>723267970
what even is this question? the city is just tiled assets. Just make a texture atlas for it

>>723267026
Pretty sure he meant the UE5 nanite trailer

>>723303965
oh god what did they do to her

>>723303965
Pajeets are shilling for Pokemon. It's like saying something in a Ubisoft/Bethesda thread about their engine or how some jank is going on and their shills will stop doing their jobs and attack everyone in the thread and start shit flinging.

Quite possible they were outsourced and being so proud to have worked on a title they immediately come to these sorts of threads like moth to a flame to defend their work.

>>723271578
Tbf stuff like "stock clerk" paid well before it was automated away. Like, the guy emptying Louis XIV's chamber pot probably got paid real well, too, before Crappers became a thing. Imagine pitching yourself to Nepolean III as a chamber pot emptier and being shocked at the low pay.

>>723272750
A story as old as time.

>Metroid Dread releases to praise
>BASED, NINTENDO IS THE ONE WHO MADE IT GOOD, MERCURYSTREAM IS DOGSHIT AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

>Other M is an absolute abomination
>umm..... it was all Team Ninja's fault, Nintendo had nothing to do with it :((((((((

>>723266185 (OP)
Who cares? It'll sell millions.

>>723274982
There's an in-engine cutscene at the start of the game that shows the view of entire town, probably for that.

>>723266824
this looks like fucking vice city outside of character models

>>723284446
>People who are passionate
fucking lmao
your "passion" doesn't amount to a second of gamedev experience, you armchair intellectual

>>723303339
huh ?
dude you just saved me from ever buying any handheld
wtf
i have gtx1080 and it have 9 tflops
i made pc 8 y ago and i am still not upgrading only because all new games are dogshit

>>723270068
Mechanics are actually like this with their personal vehicles

>>723266185 (OP)
Wtf this is a genocide

>>723266529
that's not the issue
250k polys is nothing for a gpu, it's just that it's precisely for that that they ditched the previous more detailed city, adding the modeled balconies and windows would easily 10x the poly count. This indicates they had the choice between:
- spend time to implement proper LOD and culling so the 250k polys are spend only on the visible models
- just decimate the poly count 10 times and render everything every frame
and went with the second option

Pokemon sucks

>>723266678
they had to make it look like ass to run fine.

>>723302363
yeah and that game was optimized as fuck to get it to run on the ps4
optimizations game freak is incapable of accomplishing

>>723266185 (OP)
Why is the city so small?
Why is it circular?IRL cities have irregular shapes.

>>723266965
Lol

>>723303310
all that's been established is the game has a giant model of the city. everything about its implimentation is assumptions. so sorry I don't believe everything some idiot on twitter says authoritatively.

>graphics don't matter gameplay does
>pokemon exists
>WHAT THE FUCK GRAPHICS IS THIS? REEEEEEEEEEEEE FIX IT MORE GRRAPHICS NOW LESS GAMEPLAY MORE GRAPHICS NOW I WANT IT NOW GRAPHICS NO GAME ONLY GRAPHICS
Kill yourselves

>>723267494

what's this guys name again?

If anyone is interested in why this can (but not necessarily is) actually be a problem, its overdraw, not the number of tris or things out of frame getting drawn or whatever. It's a problem with this kind of geometry specifically because you can have many large front faces that overlap depending on the viewing angle and position.

Nothingburger twitter ragebait thread
another day on /v/

That city literally has less vertices than 2b's ass.

>>723314404
>AI overview
lmfao

>>723314404
>game that runs at 20fps

>>723287617
>4chan back then was rabid for Ron Paul
Reddit was too as late as 2012 which makes their collapse into Sander-socialism and now tankie-lite extra funny

>>723266185 (OP)
EDF has been rendering cities like this since the PS2.

>>723266678
The internet is now full of jeets who call themselves "engineers" who think they can do everything better than professional studios.

>>723314404
dumb fuck

>>723268343
I don't know, what can you say or do to a mountain to piss it off? "Your mother was a molehill" ?

I'm just going to come out and say it.

Stop. Buying. Nintendo. Products.

They don't care, they make underpowered trash and they have no games. I bought a PS5 and have never looked back.

>>723266337
im a coder but no expert on gamedev but a 3d model is a piece of code drawing a polygon on a space, and if you try to "turn off" part of a model, the whole thing can break

i just can't fathom why they did one model for the whole city though, even if it ran well, it's not very "iterable" so to speak

>>723315618
>REEEEEEE STOP PLAYING GAMES
>PLEASE STOP PLAYING GAMES
>HATE GAMES
>STOP PLEEEEEEASE
Kill yourself.

>>723315680
>it's not very "iterable" so to speak
Depends how it's setup. Model tools work much the same way as photpshop with layers upon layers of abstraction.
Many parts of that model are going to be clones of one parent so they can make huge changes just updating a single part of the model.

>>723314515
>AI SAID IT THEREFORE NOT TRUE
leftist detected

>>723314539
>>723315150
I accept your concession

>entire city has less polygons than one of 2B’s asscheeks

Quality Gamefreak craftmanship

>>723315769
PS5 guy is still a consooming normie. Nintendo manchildren need to fall off the face of the face for the gaming industry to get better. Every Nintendo game should be pirated at this point.

I just want a good modern actual "next-gen" Pokemon game. Is that really too much to ask?

>>723266185 (OP)
Reminder that they removed tons of detail from the city because of performance issues.

...instead of fixing this.

>>723266904
It's easier. Literally lazy development.

>>723314404
hyrule field is probably comprised of under 1000 polygons and the game runs at 20fps

>>723314262
Optimizedman