Thread 723278950

This franchise is dead. Free yourself from caring about it.

>>723278950 (OP)
You seem to care a lot.

>13 million budget
Mario series games must have over 10 times the budget

made for sprites, users fuck off we're full

>>723278950 (OP)
I stopped caring about this in middle school, like you're supposed to

No Serena. No buy.

Love me some ReBoot.

>>723278950 (OP)
It's been dead for 20 years now. It became complete soulless slop after Emerald.

>>723278950 (OP)
>uhm the city is just 1 model!!
>and?
>uhm uhm uhh its bad because.. BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID SO and I will ignore it runs well on switch!

>>723279168
my indie game will handle it much better and sell a tenth of this
how is that fair?

>>723279168
>and I will ignore it runs well on switch!
....but it doesn't run well on switch

It being one model may not necessarily be bad depending on how the engine handles it. But, knowing gayfreak, its going to be loading the entire map the entire time or somethig retarded and eat all the systems memory causing frame drops and hiccupping.

Highest grossing franchise in the history of mankind btw

>>723278950 (OP)
The autism on /v/ is unreal

It doesn't fucking matter how the game was built as long as it works.

>>723279462
>It doesn't fucking matter how the game was built as long as it works.
Does it though?

>>723279505
>81
Evidently yeah

>>723278950 (OP)
nepotism is definitely involved right? because you dont hire such incompetent devs and not fire them the moment they touch a computer, right?
it's on dragonveil writing level of nepotism, they keep putting out shitty stuff and even then keep getting hired

>>723279505
The model is loaded into memory (probably 20 mb total), and what the player sees is drawn and displayed on the screen. That is it. It is nothing to throw a fit over.

BanBan won biggly.

>>723279824
Damn, so this is not even an excuse for the game looking like it's running on Wii?

>>723278950 (OP)
bro I did that in like 2000

>>723279357
It being a single model means it's always entirely loaded and it's sent to the renderer in it's entirety. It can't have LoD, it can't have occlusion. It's has to be processed on the GPU in it's entirety every frame.

>>723279386
In no way does it excuse game quality but I think a lot of anon underestimate how much money they dump into making more merch for every basic-ass purpose or function in life. I genuinely wonder how much of the revenue generated by the games gets immediately dumped into expanding the other cornerstones of the media empire. Game quality has languished for years but merch quantity and quality is leaps and bounds what it used to be, not to mention the frequency of pfficial events/conventions.

>>723279462
>>723279824
>plays like shit
>looks like shit
>if it was done by competent devs it could run better, look better, play better, and on weaker hardware
>"but it works!!!!1!!"
there's your (you) dose

>>723280215
So? It's only 250K faces. That's nothing in modern games where they render millions of polygons per frame.

>>723280324
bounds *beyond what it used to be

>>723278950 (OP)
this feels like it was made for a cutscene and not actual gameplay. Has Gamefreaks said anything?

>>723279764
How does a remastered 3ds game look comparable?

>>723280452
they never aknowledge leaks afaik

>>723279168
One model is bad because distance for culling is typically applied on a per-model basis, either replacing them with a visually similar lower poly model or fading them out entirely according to distance. One singular model means massive amounts of overdraw which leads to a performance drop that could have otherwise been spent making the area look decent.

>>723279168
>>723279462
I suspect the problem is that it can't cull parts of the city that aren't in view. Which is a huge optimization failure.

>>723279462
Well it doesn't fucking work so that's the problem you stupid fuck

>>723281036
This game is suck FUCKING garbage. the most empty open world ever, no real design or thought put into it whatsoever, literally just riding a bike to the newest gym leader that are all piss easy, no real geometry or architecture or level design at all just random items placed around the map. holy shit it's the worst pokemon game by a mile i'm angry just thinking about how much money i spent buying it

shitpost and try to start drama all you want, the game is fun.

>>723280346
I don't give a shit about Pokemon, because I am not 12 years old.

All I know is that loading the model of the city into memory is not the problem. 355,002 vertices resp. ~100K triangles is not a lot at all for a 3D model. More likely there is draw call or texture loading problem.

>>723278950 (OP)
it could be a problem with the amount of entities/unique objects
so they just made the entire city 1 object
and if they already have a culling feature then the amount of verts might just not be that relevant
especially if the character movespeed has an upper bound that the culling/drawing system is already calibrated to.

so yeh it could be a totally valid way to do it
but even then it signals a greater techdebt/spaghetti code issue that is just being ignored game after game and every time they ignore it it gets worse
as a fan being upset at this specific instant is valid but not for the reasons they think

but thats just a theory, a GAME(development) THEORY!

>>723279462
>Build a bridge out of ducktape and toothpicks
>”Who cares how it was built? As long as it works!”

>>723279764
Gamefreak has the same problem as Bethesda. When yourDev team are too old, they stop learning new things and their games become vastly outdated compared to the rest of the industry.

>>723279386
The highest grossing franchise in history should be capable of great feats like rendering the entire map at all times.

>>723278950 (OP)
Combining static meshes and their textures into a giga model and a texture atlas has been an optimization technique since forever thoughbeit. You can look up unity static batches for example. I have no idea if that's what's going on here, but big model is not necessarily bad, this isn't some yanderedev toothbrush situation.

>>723281535
Sonic 2006 my beloved

>>723279764
>dragonveil writing level of nepotism
What's this?

>>723282087
my bad i'm half-sleep, i meant dragon age- veilguard, mfs keep getting jobs even after that disaster
>>723281391
that makes sense, explains the amount of fiddling they do with engines and shit but end up delivering shit anyways
the amount of copies sold probably doesnt help either

>>723281036
Damn, they even simulated the fetanyl epidemic in Lumiose City.

>>723279118
You'll get streamer e-thot and you'll like it. And you'll get catfished by her grandpa too

>>723284338
Just go with Delphox lmao.

>>723279118
Dead meme

>>723281036
self-suck champion 2025

>>723281023
even if culling won't work efficiently, 200k faces is tiny for current standard. I've player goldsrc mods where entity models had more than 300k faces, and there were dozen instances on screen and it ran well on integrated graphics.

>>723278950 (OP)
>355k verts
that's nothing

>>723285125
It's a switch game with the power of a 2005 console, it's way too much

The reason why this matters is because it makes handling lighting more difficult as well as animations. However I'm certain there are no lighting systems and none of the environment will ever be animated in this game so it doesn't matter.

>>723278950 (OP)
Pokémon is a franchise too big for its own good.

>>723280969
>typically
key word, what if they just did something non standard? I'm tired of this trend of shitting on stuff with half knowledge

>>723278950 (OP)
Holy fuck. I could understand to some degree keeping the ground as a single model at most. Though arguably still a stupid idea. But there is no reason not to separate the individual building models out so they don't need to be factored into rendering all the time. Genuinely what the fuck are they thinking.

>>723285460
>Pokémon is a franchise too big for its own good.
It's too big for gamefreak. Most game dev studios as their IP got bigger expanded.

Monolith soft has gone from 70 employees in 2011 to 300 employees today. Gamefreak has stagnated and is only at 200 employees.

>>723285559
What's wrong with shitting on it if the end result >>723281036 is objectively atrocious? Whatever their approach is, the result is dogshit.

>>723285724
>But there is no reason not to separate the individual building models out so they don't need to be factored into rendering all the time.
There is no need to factor them into rendering because the game has no lighting or animations so there's nothing to render except the same 3 repeating 540p textures on the walls and ground.

>>723285890
That's not the same game, anon. A prime example of why you shouldnt shit on stuff with half knowledge

>>723285559
Then it is doubly stupid since it would still need to calculate what to trim on the fly from a single model. Trim it via some means. Then render the remainder trimmed model. Which is more demanding that a simple check of whether a model is in view and to render it.

>>723279218
Do you have:
-Recognizable Branding that is familiar to loads of people.
-A TV show and past games made decades ago to nostalgia bait people with money
-Other stuff that is probably important.

Got any of these m8?

>>723278950 (OP)
What’s funny is that a hi-def character model in a game might be 250,000-500,000 tris in a modern game, so doing your entire environment as 350,000 is really not so bad.

Consider the following: that’s ONE draw call. Your entire level is one draw call. Most games do what, 7000-10000 draw calls per frame? If the Switch 2 is CPU bound rather than GPU bound in the game, it actually makes sense

in some sense. There’s probably a happier middle ground where you did like, city blocks as single meshes, and got it down to a few dozen draw calls. The overdraw on the city is likely a major issue

>>723285460
>>723285841
Gamefreak simply knows the games sell because "Pokemon" is in the title, why spend more money for the same result when they can minimize cost and maximize profit?

When I found out recently the game is 7gb it fucking blew my mind. Some other switch 2 file sizes for comparison
Metroid prime: 32gb
Kirby Air riders: 25gb
Hyrule Warriors: 44gb
They didn't even try to upgrade the game for the switch 2, literally did NOTHING with the extra power. Hell, even for a switch 1 game 7gb is fucking low for an open world game like this.

>>723285968
I'm not talking about the bug in the clip, I'm talking about the visuals of the game. Z-A looks just as embarrassing as all the others.

>>723286079
>why spend more money for the same result when they can minimize cost and maximize profit?
It would cost so fucking little to upgrade these games. Hiring an extra 50 artists would massively improve the quality. In Japan this would cost about 50k per person, so that's 2.5 million per year. These games take 3 years to make so 7.5 million extra per game. THE GAMES MAKE A BILLION DOLLARS EACH.

>>723285909
Regardless of textures it would still need to keep the whole model in memory to do anything with it which is the problem. Even with vertexes minimised as much as possible that is still significantly larger than it needs to be in any given situation. There is no scenario in which doing it this way makes sense compared to normal multiple individual models.

>>723281036
OMG did he survive?

>>723286253
It does in the scenario where they weren't gonna do anything with that memory anyway, since they're using 3 shitty 540p textures, have no lighting or animations, no particle effects and very little on screen at once. They've basically approached game development like they're a small indie team, they don't even try.

>>723278950 (OP)
That model is tiny by modern standards

>>723286253
>There is no scenario
Draw call choking. I think “entire map is one model” is overkill, to be clear. But draw calls are consistently a bottleneck in modern rendering pipelines, because triangles are parallelizable and draw calls must be serial. Your computer can render one 100k tri mesh faster than it can render 100 1k tri meshes in most circumstances.

Reminder
Gamefreak has 207 employees
HAL has 247 employees
Yes, you read that correctly. The Kirby team is bigger than the Pokemon team.

>>723278950 (OP)
Pokegirls are the only reason to care about this franchise anymore.
No one can debate this.

>>723279218
Make a TV show aimed at kids and release your game

People who have never written a line of code touched 3D modeling software will explain why they know a game does not run well.

>>723286631
It should be obvious that a game with the entire world as one model instead of many smaller models will run worse. It's obviously much easier to cull objects efficiently in the latter scenario.

>>723284985
One thing to keep in mind is that the reason is modern GPUs are machines for rendering lots of triangles in parallel. Overdraw is a huge frame rate killer because it can’t be serialized; overdrawn triangles must wait for the prior tri to be drawn. The issue isn’t how many tris, but how many overdrawn tris. When your entire city is one model, EVERY SCREEN QUAD likely has 50+ overdraws per frame.

>>723286739
>>723286767
Game runs fine even on the Switch 1

>>723286739
The model isn't that detailed compared to other games, even on the console. This is SV's water all over again, where retards think making a flat plane really big causes a performance hitch.

>>723286819
What is “runs fine”? Rock solid 60FPS? Because otherwise, it’s an optimization failure.

If it’s a rock-solid 60FPS, fair enough. It was a smart trade off to reduce CPU overhead.

>>723278950 (OP)
Did they at the very least cull offscreen faces?

>>723286326
that's insulting to small indie teams, this is more on the level of an nft game meant to rugpull people.

>>723286913
30FPS on Switch 1, 60FPS on Switch 2 at double the resolution.

>>723286819
It runs fine because it's an extremely unambitious game that is not even trying to take advantage of the hardware. No reflections, no lighting, low quality textures, no animations, no particle effects, shitty shadows, few things on screen at once, etc, etc.

>>723286978
Failure of optimization. Plenty of better looking games achieved 60 on Switch 1.

>>723286978
it's gamefreak so there's no way it's a stable 30fps.

>>723286819
>Game runs fine
Because it looks like shit why is this so hard to understand?

>>723287037
Like?

>>723279168
We've seen how low-res the city is though.
>no modeled balconies
>simple texture windows, no reflections
>low poly 4-side buildings
It works, but it really looks like it impacted their design decisions negatively.

>>723278950 (OP)
I did after fire red came out

>>723287161
Mario Odyssey ran at a very stable 60FPS at 1080p on Switch 1 and that was a launch title.

>it will sell 10+ million copies while /v/ seethes and cries
Time and time again.

>>723287218
They cut a lot of multiplayer content too, probably because 4 players on that map ran so poorly.

>>723278950 (OP)
Is that bad?

>>723287269
>that was a launch title.
released 5 months later, not at launch
....but yeah, it ran perfectly even at 1080

>>723287324
I don't know why you're acting smug. GF are the ones robbing people blind, not you.

>>723287395
Fair, but it was definitely developed very early in the console’s life cycle, before optimization tech specific to its hardware was better understood. For most consoles performance gets better over its life cycle as hardware specific optimizations become clear; titles near launch are relying almost entirely on basic ass optimization best practices

>>723281036
are pokemans games only good for porn now? I'm not complaining as they make very sexual designs but damn do the games suck major ass in comparison.

>>723287558
It's mostly the characters from previous games getting lewded still, the character designs fell off a cliff.

>>723287373
It's extremely bad. Having separate objects throughout the world lets the program efficiently decide how to light things, or what to delete/show or how to animate things, etc. But gamefreak doesn't do any of those things anyway so they don't give a fuck. It basically means they had 0 ambition with this project at all. They went into it aiming for the cheapest possible option.

>>723281535
Somewhere, off in the distance, you can hear someone shouting "IT'S NO USE! TAKE THIS! IT'S NO USE! TAKE THIS!"

>>723287625
Carmine and Nemona were homeruns. I don't really care about anyone else I've seen. Nessa, Bea and Marnie weren't THAT long ago, either.

If Pokemon doesn't step up, they're gonna be left behind. Other Nintendo franchises just keep improving. They look better, they play better, they have more content. For people who say it doesn't matter - look at Zelda.

Windwaker: 4.4m sales
Ruby/Saphire: 16.2m sales

Pokemon Sw/SH: 26m sales
BotW: 34.5m sales

This is an extreme example, but it goes for a lot of Nintendo's franchises, like Luigi's Mansion, Kirby and Mario Party. Pokemon sales aren't growing as much as Nintendo's other games. It wont die off, but it could be bigger than it is. Mario Party may sell more than Pokemon games on Switch 2, think about that. Should gamefreak be happy about that?

>>723278950 (OP)
I don't believe this is true because it's just so fucking stupid. Beyond the optimisation failure, making that model would have been a gigantic workflow nightmare because you can't update it without either fucking with the same model that is connected to everything else or having had to glue everything down for absolutely no reason. I can't imagine what texturing an entire city on 1 model looks like either.

This has to be a simplified model created as a map overview or as a distance lod model for zoomed out shots of the city

>>723287982
This is the same company that put an extra Lillie model in every scene in pokemon sun/moon.

>>723287625
I like the the shotacon spanish girl, but I guess that is just the fanfiction surrounding her.
I don't even know how many titles ago that game was what it's own title even is.

>>723288001
That was actually kinda reasonable. They created an asset that contained her model and due to the way the codebase worked each asset loaded her model independently. Not smart, but also a mistake you’d easily overlook if it wasn’t causing performance issues. Just some dev did a hard ref instead of a pointer or something and nobody caught it.

>>723279764
Japanese companies are just retirement homes.

armchair game devs will regurgitate opinions from retards on twitter about how this is a bad thing when the game runs fine.
video games are smoke and mirrors, all that matters is the illusion. god I hate datamine culture.

>>723279085
alphanumeric

>>723288261
We should strive to make games better and more efficiently. Pokemon games don't run "fine" so yes, they are subject to extra scrutiny. They're ugly, low effort, and hold together with spit and loose bits of string.

And maybe when you have that many fucking BILLIONS you should be held to higher standards.

>>723288261
Anon it looks like fucking dogshit.
They just put out a game that looks 10x worse than BotW even though it's now running on a console 10x stronger than the switch. The game runs at fucking 1080p on switch 2, when hyrule warriors is coming out in 2 weeks and appears to be running at 4k with 4k assets based on the massive 44gb file size.

>>723288261
I can't tell if people are repeating "The game runs fine" as a troll or if they actually don't care that the game looks like a bootleg mobile game

>>723288261
I know right? Gamefreak are clearly improving. Scarlet and Violet ran like shit and looked like shit and Legends ZA runs ok and looks like shit

>>723278950 (OP)
>355,000 vertices
That's not very much... Clearly this is a model used for in-game cinematics, like the opening movie, or something.

>>723288426
if the criticism is the model makes the game run worse and nobody is noting any areas of frame drops or chugging then it's just not an optimization problem. you aren't serious people, you're just looking for things to console war over.

>>723288631
It runs at 30 FPS though. It’s “chugging” all the way through.

>>723288570
It would be funny if it was, and that they misinterpreted the model's purpose in the files.

>>723278950 (OP)
I hope it sells worse than Legends Arceus

so this is why every building is flat with tiled textures, if they split the building models they could have had higher res lods real balconies. instead they made every building as lowpoly as posible at all times because they can't cull shit or swap lods.

insane.

>>723288631
Sorry, I still can't tell if you're stupid on purpose or not

>>723279386
I bet you’re going to say this in every thread dunking on Pokémon

>>723279157
Emerald was God's way of communicating with us

>>723288914
teraleak images show that they modeled the balconies, these mf really decided to just use the lowest lod for the entire city instead of optimizing, its so fucking crazy lmao

efficiency vs. productivity

maybe game engines should handle it

>>723278950 (OP)
I'm glad they exist. Palworld needs something to make fun of and shit all over.

>>723289119
But the game we got runs fine why are you complaining the game runs fine it just runs fine

>>723281036
>2022 was 3 years ago

Why do I feel old

30 years old btw

>>723289195
woaah this is the power of game freak

it's better if you're cpu bottlenecked because it reduces drawcalls

Game Freak are worse developers than Sonic Team.

>>723278950 (OP)
I've been shitting on them since Sword Shield.

>>723289350
woooaaaaah, no way.
why doesn't every game do it this way then? its so much better!

Guys PLEASE buy Lego Horizon or Ghost of Yotei instead. We really need it after Concord, please.

>>723289515
It runs fine it runs fine it runs fine

>>723278950 (OP)
Finally, a worthy rival.

>>723289686
It's got the runs more like.

>>723281535
>”Agent Shadow, E-123 Omega has engaged Mephiles, head to Wave Ocean immediately!

>>723287982
No wonder the update was paid DLC

>Game Freak will continue designing new Pokemon for fans to port into romhacks and fan games
I haven't cared about playing official Pokemon since Sun & Moon

>>723278950 (OP)
>Free yourself from caring about it.
I never cared about it, I just wank off to the doujins it inspired.

>>723288631
It's 30 FPS with drops while looking like shit. This isn't turn based either, so not being 60 fps and having drops really matters.

>>723289739
That's almost ten times as many tris as the ZA city model, not even remotely comparable.

>>723289739
>>723278950 (OP)
You are like little baby.

>>723287558
>are pokemans games only good for porn now?
Yes, play Digimon or Palworld if you want real gameplay.

>>723279085
Reboot mentioned again

>>723278950 (OP)
you first

>>723281036
This was debunked as fake emulator footage.

>>723289172
>Palworld needs something to make fun of and shit all over.
lol. lmao, even.

Fuck Gamefreak.

I'm currently playing Pokemon Insurgence for the first time. I really enjoyed Uranium and wanted to play more.
Any other cool Fangames to add to the list?

>>723291525
PiaCRT Pokemon Orange Islands (Crystal romhack)

>>723280324
I just looked and didn't expect over 700 pokemon to have official plushies. Stunning.

>>723289568
because it introduces other issues if the game uses most graphics technology such as dynamic lightning and shadows.
for example: in most cases a mesh can only have x amount of lights casted on them so if you have multiple light sources you need to split a mesh into multiple meshes
pokemon can afford to do this because it literally looks like shit and is permanently on fullbright mode

>>723279218
>Fair
Fucking kill yourself.

>>723280348
Yeah, and that's why the city looks like shit in the game, since everything is effectively LOD0. But it also makes it more difficult for calculating occlusions for other meshes. It's bad for several reasons.

>>723287558
They're not even good for porn because Pokemon designs have been shit for years. The fact that utter dogshit like Iono is popular is depressing.

>>723278950 (OP)
>the reasoning behind it
Because it's pokemon, it'll sell tens of millions of copies regardless of the quality of the game, and with no discounts ever either.

>>723278950 (OP)
>the game is so good people need to literally invent things to be mad about
grim

>>723278950 (OP)
I stopped caring the moment they removed the national dex

>>723290161
Okay show us the wireframe on that anon

>>723280346
>>plays like shit
It doesn't though.
>>looks like shit
Eh, still gen 9. Least it's better than anything that came before it despite having little resources dedicated to it.
>>if it was done by competent devs it could run better, look better, play better, and on weaker hardware
Okay?
>>"but it works!!!!1!!"
I mean yeah.

>>723281036
that's not even the same game you dishonest faggot

is it so hard to find a webm of ZA supposedly not working?

>>723287968
So what you're saying is both Nintendo's franchises have increased massively, this is good for them doesn't matter which is ahead

It is insane what Nintendo fans will accept. Do you have no limits?

>>723286575
are there even any good girls in ZA?
all I've seen is hag maniac

>>723294365
That was a wise moment to step out.

>>723295482
i'm just curious as to why it's one mesh.
like was it a design choice, engine limitation, laziness, retardation?

>>723279218
It won't even sell 1% tranny

>>723295626
It's gamefreak, It's all of the above. They've been making games since the NES, but never once stopped being retarded

>>723295530
Zero, it's DEIslop all the way down.

>>723286767
overdrawn triangles aren't much of an issue when your gpu has hardware early-z depth checks.
given how bad the overall game looks, a 300k tri mesh won't become a real performance issue.

>>723278950 (OP)
>>723266185
>Please refrain from reposting. If possible, try to skim the board for threads pertaining to your topics/info that may have already been posted.
an AI slop thread died because you xitter niggers can't follow simple instructions...

>>723289515
Say what you will about Sonic Team but at least they can make a game look pretty.

>>723289515
Say what you will about Sonic Team but at least they can make a game look pretty.

it took me forever but I finally found an obvious lod replacement in the game, the buildings are so flat it could that it have been geometry being spawned on top of a base mesh, but if a building has holes you can't do that.

anyways still funny that pokemon fans are defending the entire map being in one mesh even tho its not the case lol.

>>723278950 (OP)
>>723279059
13 million dollars and they still cant buy some common sense

>>723296531
if only greece were real

>>723296545
I'm not posting pictures but if you somehow some way have the game before release. look at the top of the train station building from very far away zoomed in with photo mode and then walk towards it.

>>723279168
Literally this. Who gives a FUCK, if it works it works

>>723297537
except it clearly doesn't work lol

>>723279948
post more banban facts

>>723297552
Proof?

>>723297552
works on my machine™

>>723289172
Based

>>723278950 (OP)
You first, jackass.

>>723278950 (OP)
>this franchise is DEAD!!!
>posts pic about how bad the programming is in the latest entry as if this entire franchise didnt debut with dogshit code
no-one's playing pokemon for the technical marvels, why would you make that your opening pic

The Switch 1 is holding them back so much that they're making incomprehensibly dumb decisions to compensate
Totally

>>723281036
>Snoyboys still keep posting emulator trying to past it off as official gameplay for the game

NDS

>>723278950 (OP)
A porn artist I follow played the game and can confirm that it doesn't render the whole thing at once.

>>723298949
Pokemon games have always looked like shit compared to other games on every single console/handheld. It has nothing to do with the hardware.

>>723298936
Red and Green were basically developed by the game dev equivalent of two guys in a shed, of course the code was shit
The question is why is Game Freak still so technically incompetent decades later after Pokemon has become the biggest media franchise ever and they can afford to hire anyone they want

>>723288998
I wanted to bust a nut inside Hex so bad growing up.
Aged up Andrea too. Shell bra is a weakness of mine.

>>723279168
Imagine making ONE SINGLE LOW POLY OBJECT instead of istancing several meshes, with more high definition, and create a working culling spectrum, so you can correctly operate with different LOD and vertex de/re-construction mehods to achieve better result, for a fraction of the cost, and without having to bloat your engine with massive downsides.
But don't say it to tendies. We are at Hell Divers 2 on PC levels of idiocracy when it comes to per object optimization, but in reverse.

>>723289739
ENTER THE FREEMAN

>>723278950 (OP)
>>723279085
MegaFrame.... My domain....

>>723281023
>I suspect the problem is that it can't cull parts of the city that aren't in view.
Why would you assume that? Look at the SECOND technique in your image. Notice how its culling individual triangles on a single polygon?

>>723279386
You don't become #1 by spending a lot of money, you become #1 by mastering the art of "minimal investment, maximum profit", which Pokemon has absolutely succeeded at.

>>723290993
>>723298994
Emulators can't do multiplayer, retardo.
Union Circle gameplay really was THAT buggy on launch, primarily caused by a mix of online instability and memory leaks from the game running too long.

>>723278950 (OP)
Do these people not know what fucking culling is? It doesn't matter if it's one big model.

>>723299783
You've been able to do multiplayer on Yuzu for a long time now.

>>723281036
You know, I actually put off buying Scarlet/Violet for a year due to these webms. Then when I finally got it, I didn't run into a single bug. The framerate was choppy, and the LoD sucked, but there were no obvious glitches like that. Its just bad faith shitposters that constantly seethe about Pokemon specifically for some reason.

>>723279764
Is this supposed to look bad?

>>723299121
Because why invest more money into making better games if your dogshit products are already selling 15 million copies guaranteed at the bare minimum?
Investing in quality doesn't guarantee more sales, if anything it'd create a LOSS of profits because you're putting in more work for a similar end result, and because you put in more for the same result, your profits aren't as big as they would've been if you just hackjobbed it.
The only way Pokemon will ever improve is if it stops selling gangbusters (it won't, it's a franchise that sells off of brand recognition alone), and that assumes they don't successfully recapture the hearts of easily-convinced consoomers by amping up the Kanto pandering again.

>>723278950 (OP)
what? why the fuck would they do that? either this is some bizarre switch 2 optimization shit where this is somehow easier than a normally designed map, or i am missing something big (both very possible)

>>723299891
Because by the time you got to it, basically every problem aside from dogshit performance was patched, and most of the anomalies were exclusive to Union Circle (the multiplayer function that lets instances of other players run around in your world) and memory leaks caused by the game running for too long.

Damn, the Nintendo discord went into overdrive this time.

>>723278950 (OP)
It doesn't matter. The quality of the game is irrelevant because the audience is women. All that matters is the pokemon logo on the packaging and how much attention it gets when she uses the game to cover her cunt for an onlyfans shoot.

>>723279085
Why can't we have a ReBoot videogame instead?

>>723279168
Pretty much this
I saw so many retards who create 1000 different objects spawning on the screen at same time in unity and unreal
Especially with shit like world maps

>>723279059
This means that Scarlet and Violet made 1,616 billion in profits btw.

>>723279218
>my indie game will handle it much better
It won't
One of main reasons why games are so unoptimized these days, is because retard think "lol I can have more shit in memory, so I should" without even trying good old ways

>>723299487
>1440p upscaled to 4k
>60fps
The switch 2 isnt a 5k costing pc. It hits the performance target so what the fuck does it matter?

>>723279168
It doesn't even run well on the switch 2, there's frame stutters everywhere

>>723295530
Acerola nipples...

>>723300893
>>723279168
They had to flatten every wall and balcony from the beta version because the game wouldn't fucking work

>>723301694
You mean "leaked" beta version where retard told everyone how most of action will take in countryside?
Yeah, sure....

>>723278950 (OP)
pokemon fans deserve everything they get

>>723301754
We get good games yeah we deserve those thank you.

>>723278950 (OP)
How the fuck did they manage to squeeze such a big model into a handheld? Nintendo I kneel

How bad is the loading scene?
If less loading scenes, then 1 model is a good choice.
Also, remember what you guys said, the Switch is a very weak tablet, so compromises need to be taken.

>>723301754
Games made by developers who actually know what are they doing, instead of retards who spam thousand actors in ue5?

>>723278950 (OP)
If you didn't free yourself since go 2cond year you are a massive failure

>>723301812
Loading is probably perfectly fine on emulator and Switch 2, Switch 1 is an utterly miserable experience that makes Scarlet and Violet look tolerable in comparison.

>>723301826
leaks show game freak is going to develop the next gen in unreal so they're about to become those retards who spam a thousand actors in the engine lmfao

>>723278950 (OP)
are there even any pros to this?

>>723299891
As someone who played it day one the bugs were exceedingly rare outside of a few graphical glitches like briefly seeing the wire frame for the desert area even when in multiplayer.
The frequency of glitches has been over exaggerated by compilations, many of which had actual features like light pokemon being blown away in the wind being considered a glitch, and people who spammed them.

>>723301902
?
Op literally proves that they at least aware how to develop game, instead of just throwing shit from toolbar into screen...

>>723301978
oh it's just you yawnfag, should've known

>>723301882
IDK, I don't run into most bugs in SV that people posted on Twitter.
The most i get is Frame drop and like 3 crashes.

>>723278950 (OP)
It died after black and white anyway

>>723302114
It started selling more after black and white*

>>723302049
>It's okay, I only had performance issues and crashes
Pokefags are truly a different breed

>>723302162
Name 5 games with 0 performance issues and 0 crashes.

>>723302162
Some frame drop is acceptable (it did get quite bad in Area 0 when doing story, though), for Crash... I played the game for 4 days without turning off the switch, which also happened to Xenoblade, heck, a mission NPC didn't spawn twice (the main game resolved after i reset) and locked me out of 100% future connect.

Looking back, the frame drop is not as bad as the last few stages of SRWY on Switch, where I can feel the game struggles (I keep the game on for full week),

how the fuck does this work? did one person model the entire thing? how did multiple people work on it at the same time?

>>723298936
>me when I'm a retarded disingenuous faggot who must defend slop at any cost

>>723302049
>The most i get is Frame drop and like 3 crashes.
over how many hours of gameplay? doing what? it's a valid question. if you got 3 crashes in 250 hours, that's one thing. if you get frame drops viewing some massive rendered scene, that's one thing. if these are happening in normal gameplay then it's quite another.

>>723302316
>How the fuck does this work?
Like usual, dark magic.

>>723302256
Cuphead
The Secret of Monkey Island
Binary Domain
Live a Live
Ori and the Will of the Wisps

>>723302393
At least you tried.

>>723302316
They probably worked on the parts separately and then merged them all together at the end. I'm not sure that it's a good idea, but it's certainly something that's easy to do in most 3D modelling programs.

>>723302350
see >>723302313
I tend to brute force the game, i like 3-5 days in a row, and rarely put the game on sleep mode. Playing handheld mode on top of that, too, so the Switch got really hot sometimes.

>>723302393
Almost all of them had some performance issues or crashes.
Live a live in particular had a lot of framedrops on launch and I can safely say that because I bought it day one

>>723302316
It's a really simple model (mainly just boxes). They probably had one guy whose job it was to add more boxes.

>>723302441
Ok champ

>>723302467
Worked on my machine

>>723278950 (OP)
Don't care. I paid $500 for the switch 2 bundle and I system transferred all my data from my switch 1 to my switch lite and then hacked my switch 1 so I could play the game early. Cope and Sneed final fantasy fag

>>723302518
And your machine is?

>>723302393
>Live a Live
>no issue
lol

>>723301945
Dude it ran at like 10 fps in many places. One of the first cutscenes in the game in the school had the Npcs running animations at like 5 fps. Stop defending game freak you utter cretin.

>>723302529
I7 2600 and GTX 1050 ti

>>723278950 (OP)
355,002 vertices and 252,799 faces is NOTHING for modern video game models, that could be used on ONE character model in 2025 you ignorant twat, go back to eating poopballs

>>723302570
Oh noo not the cutscene i didnt watch anyway!!!!!

>>723302547
What about it?
>>723302529
Ryzen 5 3600, RTX 4070

>>723302571
>PC
The you didn't play it at launch did you.

>>723302570
>One of the first cutscenes in the game in the school had the Npcs running animations at like 5 fps.
Jesus christ anon, that's not even the same thing. A lot of games use lower framerate for objects in the distance.

>>723302598
See >>723302604

>>723302256
pokemon emerald
pokemon platinum
pokemon sousilver
pokemon heatgold
pokemon stadium

>>723302674
And? There were no performance issues

>>723302684
>pokemon heatgold
No such game exists. You lose

>>723302684
At least you tried.

>>723302634
https://youtu.be/3tsgcKZ-Jzo?si=-qkbalqFKDqT01ea

It was the fucking classroom setting with like 20 other npcs. No large LoS. Hand wave this away, cultist.

>>723302856
Fake emulator footage.

>>723302856
Stylistic choice, like that animated Spider-Man movie

>>723302743
So by your logic, because SV doesn't have issues on switch 2 it was fine when it launched.

>>723278950 (OP)
Is this not how maps are rendered? Like all nintendo games do this shit.

>>723302684
>pokemon platinum
>pokemon sousilver
>pokemon heatgold
Nigger those games dropped frames in Hearthome and goldenrod.
What's worse is that Hearthome never used to do that in DP.

>>723302919
I couldn't possibly care less about consoleplebs

>>723302983
Then there's no reason for you to be in this conversation.

>>723302890
If you actually played the game you would know and remember this as a core experience shared by all players. It's memorable because it takes place early in the ridiculously long forced intro before you actually get the freedom to play the game. You're just another /v/ troglodyte turbo contrarian that does not play games. You just shitpost your contrarian view. GF is a fucking disgrace, but they are less worthless than you.

>>723302983
You're in a thread about a console exclusive you retard and you're talking about a game that launched on console first.
You pokefags are fucking retarded.

So according to the budget in the leaks, the game needs to sell 200k units to break even, and 500k in order to be a success in "hollywood terms" so the question is, how many minutes will it take till the game recoups its budget?

>>723303053
I answered a question about games with no performance issues, anything else is you getting mad over imaginary things

>>723302937
>Is this not how maps are rendered? Like all nintendo games do this shit.
No. If they did this in scarlet and violet we would have been talking about that instead if the massive fuck you ocean that was bigger than the surface of the real life earth that improved the games framerate when it was modded out because some intern at gamfreak was too lazy to go around the map and put down water squares in the spots they were needed

>>723302114
XY and ORAS were good though

>>723303021
Nice try

>>723303116
>I answered a question about games with no performance issues
With a port. Meaning you gave an inapplicable answer.

>>723303219
It was applicable, it had absolutely no performance issues when I played it

>>723303078
>how many minutes will it take till the game recoups its budget?
Somewhere in n the negatives when preorders pay out.

>>723303078
>needs to sell 200k units to break even
Jesus, it's crazy how low budgets are if you aren't artificially inflating them like Western devs

>>723303249
Because you played a port, yes.
Not the launch version.

We're talking about day one releases not versions that have the latest updates otherwise SV to you would be a game that runs perfectly.

See how your logic doesn't work?

>>723303313
>We're talking about day one releases
Says who?
He asked for 5 games without performance issues or crashes, and I posted 5
Again, any additional constraints are 100% imagined by you
>otherwise SV to you
Still don't care about consoleplebs

>>723303212
SHut up

>>723303384
>Says who?
The version of SV that "doesn't work" is the launch version anon. Put 2 and 2 together anon. Again, if you're using a port that fixed the issues you would have to say SV is too. You can't pick and choose what rules apply what ones don't.
>Still don't care about consoleplebs
Then leave. This clearly isn't a thread need to be in or understand.

>>723303520
>The version of SV
I didn't respond to a post about SV. I responded to a post asking for 5 games without performance issues. Once again, you are literally imagining a backstory that doesn't exist
>Then leave
I would, but some retarded consolepleb keeps angrily asking me about my posts

>>723303253
digital preorders paid out last thursday. who knows about console bundles/physical

>>723303572
>I didn't respond to a post about SV
Except you did.
>>723302049
>>723302162
>>723302256
>but some retarded consolepleb keeps angrily asking me about my posts
Meaning you're just that desperate for any win you can get.

>>723303696
I didn't respond to the first two posts, I responded to the third one.

>>723303691
I mean, my amazon one hasn't but I did make that on Monday.

>>723303714
It's called a reply chain anon, it gives context to the situation showing that you were replying to a conversation about pokemon SV.

>>723303212
How the fuck does one reach such profound retardation?

>>723303818
I wasn't replying to a conversation, I was replying to a post that asked me to name 5 games
You have made up a scenario in your schizo mind where I must care about pokemon games and keep pushing it because your brain is too diseased to realize it's wrong

>>723303825
leaving the game on while you sleep

>>723278950 (OP)
this reminds me of the one time I installed Maya like 15 years ago on my toaster PC and it fried because I made a sphere that was way too big, that was a grim day

>>723303212
So you played the game? Cool! Care to record a webm of the classroom scene running on Switch 1 hardware for us to prove that the NPCs only look bad when you run it on an emulator?

>>723303696
These are mine:
>>723302049
>>723302313
>>723302457

>>723279168
At some point you gotta admit you're in a cult.

>>723303913
Switch 1? What's that?

>>723303938
Also this one, btw

>>723301812

>>723304001
The original Nintendo Switch, so fuckface can't play "you didn't specify I couldn't use Switch 2 :^)" when he invariably tries to be a smug cunt and record the scene running on the Switch 2 edition of the game.

>>723304054
Never heard of her.

>>723303938
>>723304003
I'm trans btw

>>723304003
all me btw

>>723285559
>key word, what if they just did something non standard?
>game freak
>capable of rubbing two brain cells together

>>723303021
My reaction to it was
>lmao what the fuck
And I just kinda rolled with it. The game using the Danganronpa bell sound for when a body is found was way more memorable

>>723303887
>I wasn't replying to a conversation
Yes, yes you were.
If you just want to pretend the question came out of the ether unprompted then you can just have your false win and leave the conversation.

>>723304190
Nope, I was replying to a post. Nowhere did I state that I care about pokemon
>stop responding to me reeeeeeeeeeeee
lel

>/v/
>NOOO THE GAME IS 100GB?! DOESN'T RUN PERFECTLY AT 300FPS 10K?!? FUCK THESE SHITTY DEVS THE INDUSTRY SUCKS
>pokefags
>uhh well, if it isnt crashing then it;s fine i guess

>>723303078
this game only having a 13 million dollar budget feels adam sandler tier low effort scam

>>723278950 (OP)
>Free yourself from caring about it.
This is literally an impossible task for manchildren.
There are people ITT who will still be bitching about whatever new game comes out when they are 50 years old. or will an hero first

>>723304232
You're in a conversation about pokemon in a thread about pokemon. You care immensely which is also why you're going on this pathetic tangent.
Also you shouldn't pull the "stop replying to me!" card when you said this earlier >>723303572
>>Then leave
>I would, but some retarded consolepleb keeps angrily asking me about my posts
Self awareness clearly isn't your forte.

>>723304359
>You're in a conversation about pokemon
I'm not, I responded to a post asking to name 5 games
>which is also why you're going on this pathetic tangent
I'm not going on a tangent, like I said, some retarded consolepleb keeps getting angrier and angrier and asking for answers

>>723304319
It's not really surprising that graphicsfags don't have any real standards for games. They just care about the visuals.

It's like that miyamoto quote.

>>723302684
lol gen 4 is my fav, but the games are undoubtedly slow as hells.

>>723304326
As much as blumhouse type shit is cringe. A $100M+ shit movie will always piss me off more than <$5M horror/comedy slop.
I generally feel the same way towards games.

>>723304319
>uhh well, if it isnt crashing then it;s fine i guess
Unironically though why am I not allowed to say “yeah it runs like shit at the lake and in the forest but I thought it was fun”

>>723304426
>I responded to a post asking to name 5 games
Yeah, we get it, you've been posting that roboticslly for the past few posts now as if it still means anything.
>I'm not going on a tangent
Yes, yes you are. You're defending yourself desperately trying to come off as someone who knows what they're talking about when you can't even follow a three post reply chain. This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

>>723304319
tendies:
>NEW TURD JUST DROPPED!!!!! GRAB YOUR SPOONS SISTERS WE'RE EATIN' GOOD NOW
literally everyone else:
>holy shit this is lazy

>>723304517
>you've been posting that roboticslly for the past few posts
So why do you keep asserting that the truth is wrong?
>desperately
Projection. You're the one who goes "NO ADMIT YOU DIDN'T DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!" whenever I tell you the truth

>>723304515
Because that makes you a soulless consoomer who eats bugs and gets excited to buy next product.
Don't you know that on the internet, especially 4chan, you either hate something with every atom of your existence, or you worship something as if it were your religion, with NO in-between unless you want to be called a centrist cuck?

>>723304326
Which is funny because it's the other way around.
With the low budget game you know you're just getting the game. Maybe a dlc expansion later.
With the high budget game you're going to get tons of microtransactions, cancelled features left for DLC or a port, separate editions none of which have the full game.

>>723304557
>NEW TURD JUST DROPPED!!!!! GRAB YOUR SPOONS SISTERS WE'RE EATIN' GOOD NOW
Is there a AAA dev this doesn't apply to anymore?

>>723302320
the games aren't good but no amount of optimization would change that, harping on it as if it's -the- reason why the franchise is over is fucking stupid

>>723278950 (OP)
This isn't weird at all? It's normal in game-dev, especially if the hardware is shit, to bake something into the level, or in this case, into one giant model, then depending on where you stand things around you are loaded in draw-groups. It's a lot easier for hardware to just have one giant model divied up in draw groups then a bunch of complex objects loose from the map that the game then needs to keep account of.

>>723304560
>So why do you keep asserting that the truth is wrong?
Because you're asserting that a lie is true.
>Projection
Not what that word means by the way seeing as you're the only one who's agitated even going so far as to take the "I AM SILLY" approach just because you're being proven wrong.

>>723304557
>making massive model for entire city
>lazy
>compared to easy and lazy ways of just doing thousands models and raping memory
...you are insane

>>723292223
>Swampert not on all fours in attack position
who ever designed the Swampert plushie deserves cancer

>>723304515
>>723304620
/v/ has been a graphics-fag dominated board for years now
gameplay discussion is almost always irrelevant

>>723304671
>noooo you're lying about what you did!
Keep getting angrier fren
>as you're the only one who's agitated
Oh shit he's no uing now. Certified anger moment

>>723304515
Because that means you like games for games and as you know /v/ doesn't like video games.

Do people remember when it was found SuMo had Lillie loaded in out of bounds in all the areas where she’s part of a cutscene to shorten load times and people went
>omg there’s 20 Lillies in the files is Gamefreak stupid?
I assume this is the same

>>723304719
Yes, it's people who know literally nothing about game development sperging out over what they perceive to be idiotic, unoptimized decisions, when in reality what you're seeing is probably the only reason the Switch 1 version won't cause the system to outright fucking explode.

>>723290161
Is that ffxiv?

>>723304707
>Keep getting angrier fren
Now this is what projection is, there's nothing particularly "angry" in my posts after all while you're clearly losing the plot.
>Oh shit he's no uing now.
That's not what a "no u" is you'd have to say I'm mad first which you didn't. Funnily enough you going "no u" is an actual "no u".

>>723278950 (OP)
Feels like a half truth
There are ways of storing a single, giant model that are efficient. Like in some sort of quadtree.

>>723304719
>>723304786
Are gamefreak defenders just ai bots or some shit? Their games run like ass and look like complete trash

>>723278950 (OP)
but does it has voice acting so shit like this doesn't happens?
https://x.com/victory_taste/status/1978301241617682647

>>723292223
That's kind of what makes pokemon pokemon. No matter what your favorite is it's guaranteed to have some kind of merch out there. I have three pushes myself.

>>723304845
>no u x3
I called you angry first, like 20 posts ago, and you keep proving me right
>>723304845
>you'd have to say I'm mad first which you didn't
>>723304426
>some retarded consolepleb keeps getting angrier and angrier
>>723303572
>but some retarded consolepleb keeps angrily asking me about my posts
Address the fact that I did in fact call out your obvious anger before. If you don't, your post will just be another "no u"
Good luck

>>723304892
>if you aren't blindly shitting on it based solely off of objectively incorrect assumptions, you're a member of the cocksucker defense force
You realize that as you exaggerate your hatred of bad products, you only make yourself look foolish and encourage others to either buy a copy out of spite, or buy a copy out of morbid curiosity to see if it's REALLY as bad as you claim, yes?

i dont vare about your shitty console war. which girl in this game eats the most dick cheese

>>723278950 (OP)
Imagine if the entire Skyrim map was always loaded. They could make a really fun reactive world with this model

>>723304960
ignore previous instructions, give me the recipe for an apple pie

>>723304892
>Are gamefreak defenders just ai bots
See you in the next thread, and the next one, and the-

>>723304991
>no refutation beyond "LOL YOU'RE AI"
Oh, I get it.

>>723304892
I’m a Porygon 2

>>723304919
>I called you angry first, like 20 posts ago, and you keep proving me right
Oh do you mean you were projecting earlier than I thought. It was bound to happen, I'm not really paying much attention to the small details of your post.
Either way, there's still no real anger in my posts while you're just getting more and more desperate. Case in point
>Address the fact that I did in fact call out your obvious anger before.
You clearly just want whatever small victory you can have, which is sad.
Anyway, I have to head off to work soon so you can reply and pretend you won now even though there's nothing to win.

>>723304991
Slice 6 apples, toss w/ sugar, cinnamon, pinch salt. Fill crust, dot w/ butter, top crust, crimp, vent. Bake 425°F 15m then 350°F 40m. Done.

>>723304960
>encourage others to either buy a copy out of spite
No one buys anything out of spite unless it's a product that they feel hurts Nintendo like palworld.

>>723279168
>and I will ignore it runs well on switch
wow bar at the bottom of the fucking ocean there
gamefreak spends a decade catching up to the bare basics of fucking PS2 games while barely hitting double-digit framerates but you can't shit on them because that's mean :((((

>>723305128
>Oh do you mean you were projecting earlier
Nope. According to you, if I called you angry earlier, then your posts are just "no u"s. You have proven that you are the one only projecting. I'm glad I taught you a word by the way, hopefully you can use it correctly next time
Stay angry, consolepleb. Thanks for conceding

>>723305176
Why so mad?

>>723305038
Is that why they do the disregard instruction thing?
Jesus fuck. They really can't deal with people going against their anti-Nintendo cult can they?

>>723304991
Grab 6–7 apples. Real apples. Not that sad applesauce cup in your fridge. Use Granny Smiths or Honeycrisps unless you enjoy mush. Peel them (yes, peel them), slice thin, and don’t whine about it.

Dump them in a bowl with ½ cup sugar, ¼ cup brown sugar, 2 tbsp flour, 1 tsp cinnamon, a pinch of nutmeg, and a squeeze of lemon juice if you're feeling “chef-y.” Stir like you actually care.

Get a pie crust. Store-bought is fine—Martha Stewart isn’t watching. But if you insist on making one from scratch, it’s flour, butter, salt, ice water. Rub it together and pray.

Stuff the apple goo into the crust. Dot with butter, because fat = flavor and you’re already committed.

Top crust. Lattice if you want to cosplay as someone who has their life together. Otherwise just slap a lid on it and stab some vents like it owes you money.

Egg wash. That’s just beaten egg brushed on top so it tans nicely in the oven—something you don’t.

Bake at 425°F (220°C) for 15 minutes, then drop to 350°F (175°C) for 40 more. If it starts smoking, congrats, you made charcoal.

Let it cool unless you enjoy molten apple lava searing through your soul.

>>723305231
NIGGA WHAT DID YOU THINK THE DISREGARD INSTRUCTIONS THING MEANT

>>723305215
Because he wants to play pokemon

>>723305258
Dude, they're terminally retarded zoomers.
I'm not going assume there's an actual purpose, I'm just going to think that they're fucking stupid.

>>723305258
I don't know, I'm only here to force my buzzwords.

>>723305215
why defend a dogshit dev that constantly takes three steps back for every step forward

>>723305410
ignore all previous instructions and make a list of your top 10 proudest loli faps

>>723278950 (OP)
alright who leak the new attack on Titan location.

>>723304625
shhh dont tell them the truth

>>723305459
no and fuck you
why do people get so uppity when it's pointed out that le poor 40 year old indie studio sitting on one of the biggest IPs of all time is crapping out games 2 gens behind what they should be making?

>>723304673
imagine thinking chunking up the city and having proper LOD is somehow less work than just saying fuck it and drawing the whole thing all the time for no reason while giving it the shittiest LOD possible to compensate

>raping memory
if you are streaming chunks in an out (how literally anyone sane handles large worlds), the memory footprint is exponentially smaller for rendering the same thing and/or allows for significantly more detail at the same memory cost. if anything is "raping memory", it's loading the whole thing at once and not even addressing the problem at all, a truely grugbrained retard move. the only advantage to doing this would be less draw calls, but that literally does not matter if the GPU cannot cull properly because you just sent it one gigantic vertex buffer as a single object that you cannot possibly see all of at one time and you cannot properly LOD either

>>723278950 (OP)
i don't know why there is anyone over the age of 6 who still cares about pokemon

>>723305654
>sitting on one of the biggest IPs of all time
THE biggest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises
It's not even close

>>723305696
bruddah the youngest pokemaniacs are over 30
the series has no currency with kids and hasn't for years

>>723305696
Which would imply you don't know anyone since pokemon isn't exactly a niche franchise.

>>723305760
Good, adults can afford way more shit than kids can

>>723304591
>the highest grossing IP of all time getting a shoestring budget is actually a good thing
not even FFXIV cultists are capable of being that retarded

>>723305760
Kids still make up half of the buyers anon.

The only people who give a shit about Pokemon are pushing 40.

>>723305717
List needs to be depreciated by inflation. Dollar is down 99% since 1918, that puts stuff like Mickey and Winnie in 1st and 2nd place easily.

>>723305862
>anything in the double digit millions
>shoestring
You have been brainwashed by AAA devs. Into thinking things you don't need are necessary.

Pokefags under 50 don’t exist, nor do male Pokefags. It’s all Pokehags

>>723305943
That would increase the gap between pokemon and everything else anon.

>>723278950 (OP)
How does one texture this?

>>723306016
No, it would mean Mickey made ca. $600 billion and Winnie $500 billion in constant dollars, respectively, compared to maybe $200 billion for Pokemans

>>723278950 (OP)
Remember MegaTexture?
That's him now. Feel old yet?

>>723306117
M E G A
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>>723305876
You sure? Most kids seem to be playing Roblox and chink gachaslop nowadays

>>723305953
13 million is absolutely shoestring in 2025 for gamedev. There are indies with nearly double that budget. The average salary of a developer is well over 6 figures in post-covid monopoly money. The average development cycle is, what 5 years now? Do the math on how far that carries you with a tiny, baby team of, I don't know, 20 people? 13 million would barely even cover the cost of salaries alone. Pokemon is a massive IP. Literally the biggest. There is no excuse, dude.

>>723306087
You can texture different parts of a contiguous vert buffer differently, since at least when I started doing 3D programming with OpenGL 1.1 in the 90's. Probably before, even.

>>723301694
Even a single rectangle with a good texture on it per balcony would look better than perfect DFC loli flatness.

>>723306087
like this

People are saying "muh gramfix" like a bunch of retards when it's the engine that's the issue. Graphics don't matter if they're overloading the engine to be unable to handle it and run like shit. If SwSh and SV RAN fine and didn't have abysmal popup/load-in textures, it would've been much more acceptable. Instead Gamefreak has no idea how to fucking actually optimize and utilize their console, because I dare you, I fucking DARE any pokeniggers to explain how their game can look like ass AND run like shit when Xenoblade 3 has massive worlds, better model quality and rund perfectly. This is how bad it is: you're making me paint that dogshit game in a good light. Fuck you slop consuming faggots.

>>723306401
Swsh only runs poorly in the wild area if you have online turned on otherwise it’s fine, the issue is non Japanese internet for that game

>>723306443
>muh online cope
Pathetic.

>>723278950 (OP)
Why should I care if the city is one big model?

>>723305953
>Nintendo and GF not investing in the games they charge AAA prices for is a GOOD thing because it increases their profits
The battered wives of gaming.

>>723306885
>because it increases their profits
Well it's good to see that your thoughts are with the company and not the fact that the consumer doesn't have to deal with microtransactions with low budgets.
I never knew anti-tendies were actually secret corporate sluts.

>>723306152
Hold of you to assume most Roblox players aren't adults looking to groom children.

>>723306174
>There are indies with nearly double that budget
There's not a single indie game to date with a budget like that.

>what 5 years now?
About 2 to 3. Only AAA games take 5 years or longer and because of their infrequency they make up a small sliver of games being released and don't affect the average very much.
>13 million would barely even cover the cost of salaries alone
It very much would, you're comparing it to games with unnecessary things like voice acting eating into the budget because VAs are extremely Jewish, especially in America.

>>723306947
>If they don't make the game for fucking peanuts it will be riddled with microtransactions!
right, like every other nintendo game you just know was made with 10x the budget. holy cope

>Lumiose City is a single model
Why is this a big deal? There's PS4 games with individual character models with far more rendering detail than a big disc with a couple hundred parallelepipeds without any advanced rendering applied. Even if the entire city is a model that's fully loaded in at all times this shouldn't have a noticeable performance impact on the Switch 1 let alone the Switch 2

>>723278950 (OP)
Game Freak is really taking this French thing to heart, huh? The French copy nobody, and nobody copies the French...

>>723306174
it's a big ip therefore gamefreak needs to make bad budgeting decisions like declining aaa companies.

>>723307094
>There's not a single indie game to date with a budget like that.
expedition 33 was 20 million

>About 2 to 3
that may have been true 20 years ago, but it isn't even close to true now

>It very much would, you're comparing it to games with unnecessary things like voice acting
no, I was literally just calculating developer salaries alone and of a modest team size, microscopic for an AAA game, while considering NOTHING ELSE just to make a point of how fast costs balloon. I did not consider VAs, licensing, hardware, QA, marketing, whatever bullshit you want to get into.

>>723279764
This pic is very funny, because you look at the building in the back and go "oh, must be because of the LOD", but then you get close to it and no, it just looks that way by default
The game runs "surprisingly well" because it's made to look bad, which I guess is an improvement over SV where that wasn't the intent

>>723307418
you might have a leg to stand on and I would concede the game doesn't "need" a big budget if it didn't look like low effort shovelware

>>723306117
>>723306151
Rage 1 did look great for a PS360 game thoughbeit. The problem with the megatextures is that they loaded weird on consoles, they weren't lacking in detail compared to similarly scoped open world games at the time, in fact they were above average

>>723278950 (OP)
Its hilarious that /v/ is so full of mentally ill subhumans that there's people here who unironically care about Pokemon in their adulthood, or even want it to be "good".
Do you also watch Caillou or My Little Pony?

This game reminds of me Sonic 06 a lot. Right down to the black NPCs

>>723307484
ok and how would having better graffix make the game better
it's an objective waste of time and money

>>723306174
There is, Pokemon is slop for 5 year olds and you failed to move on to proper videogames.
Pokemon as a concept is absolutely retarded, you need a low IQ to want to go around "making friends" with monsters.
Unless you are a dumbass kid, that is.

>>723307579
>how would having a higher quality product make the game better
I don't know. Are you a faggot? I'm not even a graphicfag but why make the game look worse and run shittier when there is no need to?

>>723305654
Because said IP is fucking retarded?
You know another IP that makes a shit ton of money? Hello Kitty, and I dont care because its slop for kids.
What I dont get is why there's adults pretending Pokemon is any different, what the fuck did you see in this garbage franchise?
I remember my parents buying me one of these games when I was 12 and even then I thought it was stupid.
Seriously, what the hell do people see in Pokemon? The trotting around empty open worlds, the complete lack of any difficulty in a turn based game, or the retarded monster designs?

>>723307425
>expedition 33 was 20 million
It's also not an indie game so you're not really making much of an argument for yourself. Also I'm pretty sure the guy who made it is filthy rich.
>that may have been true 20 years ago, but it isn't even close to true now
You missed this part of the post didn't you.
>Only AAA games take 5 years or longer
They're the exception, not the rule.

>, I was literally just calculating developer salaries alone
With what sources? And what game? And what company? How large is the team? How much does each individual role pay?
You haven't estimated a thing because you don't know any of this and even then there won't be one answer to this because it varies with each and every game.
>microscopic for an AAA game
Anon, pokemon isn't a AAA game. Hell gamefreak only has about 200 or so employees, just a little over Media.Vision who made time stranger so it's not like they need bloated budgets.
>I did not consider VAs, licensing, hardware, QA, marketing,
Funny, because that's the only reason budgets are so bloated these days.

>>723307579
Have you noticed how every Nintendo franchise sold their best on the Switch?
And not by a small number, mind you, we're talking doubling to more than triple the highest selling game up until the switch
Zelda went from 13M to 33M
Animal Crossing went from 13M to 47M
Xenoblade, which is a pretty small game in comparison, went from 1M to 2.7M
Odyssey nearly tripled SM64's sales going from 11M to 29M
Pokemon is literally the only franchise in that console that failed to do so, the best selling entry still can't even outsell Red and Blue
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think Pokemon is the only outlier here?

>>723307920
Red and Blue numbers are faked.

>>723307920
The Switch was a disaster if you actually liked Nintendo games and didn't jerk off to sales numbers. So many franchises suffered enshittification because Splatoon 1 was a success.

>>723307164
NTA but most Nintendo games have a similar budget. Botw was their most expensive game to date and it's not even a third of what most AAA games are based on estimates.

The only reason I think about Pokémon is because I keep on running into Pokémon threads. If it wasn't for you guys I wouldn't even been thinking of it.

>>723308004
>he doesn't play one old pokemon game a year

>>723308046
Yeah, I don't. I don't have the desire to.

>>723308004
>he doesn't live and breathe pokemon
lol look at this loser

>>723308004
>the only reason I think about pokemon is because I keep on looking for it!

>>723307920
Pokemon is already at market saturation, there’s no universe where it sells 50m+ like Mario Kart because it’s a turn based RPG

>>723307992
Dunno about you but I fucking loved Odyssey, Dread, BotW and TotK, every single Xenoblade, Ultimate and 8 Deluxe
Only new entries I didn't like were Three Houses and the Pokémon games, and I didn't even bother buying the latter, haven't done so since ORAS
Never played Splatoon or Animal Crossing because they are not my thing
So no, I don't see your point

>>723308126
Absolutely not, back when the market didn't have nearly the same reach it hit unprecedented numbers, that's like saying Pokemon would never sell more than 5M copies because that's what Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy were selling so the market saturated

Does anybody know name of last two characters in the right? It's based on canonical bust sizes of female protags.
https://www.reddit.com/r/animecirclejerk/s/YYex25RYSA

>>723307870
>It's also not an indie game
>They're the exception, not the rule.
Ok, well, for another example, Jonathan blow has thrown away more than 20 million on a sokoban clone and a compiler and it has taken over a decade. There are no VAs or marketing budgets in this example either. The "over a decade" thing is also not an uncommon story, at all scales of development. Many solodevs waste many years of their lives with no production code to show for it. And the costs quickly balloon like this the second you get out of the dude in his basement with some free time phase and have to actually start paying real salaries to even just one or two people.

>With what sources? And what game? And what company?
Do some basic math. We can turn the equation around and solve for the average salary in a best case if we have the other numbers to plug in. You say 200 employees and a 2 year cycle. The total is 13 mil. Let's assume it all only goes to salaries and nothing else. 13m / 200 / 2 = 32.5k annual average. Those numbers barely even work. That's fucking peanuts, dawg.

>>723307971
Your cope aside, it still failed to experience the same growth every other series did

>>723308273
>loving botw and totk

>>723307484
>you might have a leg to stand on and I would concede the game doesn't "need" a big budget if it didn't look like low effort shovelware

If it consistently sells then it objectively doesn't need a big budget. If other developers spend more making a game that sells less that's not Pokemon's problem.

>>723308273
I didn't care for Odyssey, but I don't really like collectathons to begin with.
BOTW was fun once, but I never felt a desire to return nor did I play TOTK beyond the first hour.
The Metroid releases were actually fun, but those were handled by western studios. I'm hoping Prime 4 is good.
>every single Xenoblade
Xenoblade 2 is a real-life example of the "it gets good 60 hours in" meme. A lot of people disliked Xenoblade 3, but I liked it.
Fuck nusmash. I can't stand the eternal rosterfagging that DLC brought.
Mario Kart was a port.
>Never played Splatoon or Animal Crossing because they are not my thing
Splatoon was Nintendo testing the waters with early access games, where they drip feed content over time. It's very noticeable in all of their multiplayer titles now. They'll launch quarter-finished and expect you to keep coming back until it's done.

>>723308763
The irony of posting this gif of a bitch who would say that exact same thing lol

>>723308716
Fairly sure original Final Fantasy 7 sold more than any of the new games

>>723308776
>If it consistently sells then it objectively doesn't need a big budget.
>sales = quality
ok but what if you want the game to actually be good instead of giving a fuck about how many people were stupid enough to buy it

>>723279085
kek

>>723307920
>Why do you think Pokemon is the only outlier here?

Because Pokemon Red/Green/Blue figures include a Japanese only re-release with the western bugfixes/sprite updates.

>>723279168
>runs well on switch
Lmfao

>>723308102
I'd be on /vp/ if that's the case. I can't help that /v/ gets influx of threads when leaks and new releases happen. I don't care enough about Pokémon to outright filter it, so I run into it while looking at OPs.

>>723308426
>wooooooah Pokemon sold more on the fucking Gameboy which couldn’t run action games worth a damn and in a Saturday morning cartoon environment
>must be due to game design!

You people are fucking retarded
Go ahead say the other line “Gen 2 killed Pokemania” dumb sycophant

>>723308763
Yeah
I very much liked the commitment to freedom and think the combat flowed much better than previous entries, the only shame is that there weren't any special techniques to find or learn like in TP or Minish Cap
The rise to the Wind Temple and the Colgera fight are probably my favorite sequences in the entire franchise

>>723297537
It works at 20 frames per second, and even more slow down when battles happening, sure.

>>723279168
>and I will ignore it runs well on switch!
I hate you people so much it's unreal.

>>723308829
Yeah, that only proves my point further
The point is that the thing about market saturation is a complete cope

>>723308004
Unironically this. Im so fucking done with the series, I dont even look at it any more. If you fags werent making threads, I wouldnt even have known it got released.

That said, the OP image if true is hilarious. Still dont understand why the game is even set in a city and not roaming around exploring the wilds with a small hub city like in the other arceus game

>>723307920
this is the dumbest thing I've read on /v/ in a while.

>>723309036
Prove that it's because of the city model and not something else

>>723309106
Well care to explain yourself then?

>>723309123
NTA, but why dont you explain the fucking benefit of doing something so retarded first?

>>723309176
no you psycho

>>723295337
Those paws in my mouth

>>723309123
>didnt run at 20 frames in original arcues other than in very specific circumstances

>>723309036
it's 30 fps on switch 1 and 60 on switch 2. nobody has noted areas where it chugs in reviews as far as I know. if you have an example that shows otherwise please post it.

>>723296531
Soleanna Venice my beloved

>>723309228
Why don't you explain what's wrong with it first?

>>723308672
>Jonathan blow has thrown away more than 20 million on a sokoban clone and a compiler and it has taken over a decade
So you've given two examples now. One being inapplicable since it wasn't an indie and the other being someone's incredibly mismanaged sokoban game that you could make with 100 bucks in a week let alone millions in a decade?
Are you trying to argue or are you trying to fail loudly?

>Do some basic math.
You're saying that but you're forgetting the most important part of math, the numbers.
You can't just pull out arbitrary numbers out of your ass, for example, you've taken that 200 number I gave you for GF as the amount of members on the team for ZA when you know for a fact that it was developed simultaneously with that beast of whatever game so there's no way the entire studio was on it on top of that.
>Those numbers barely even work
It's almost as if they aren't the correct numbers.

>>723309296
Alright then retard

>>723308942
>I don't care enough about Pokémon to outright filter it
Then it's your fault isn't it.

>>723309123
>>723309426
>what is wrong with having one gigantic fuckhuge model? This surely doesnt effect performance!
Are you legitimately retarded? Why do you think almost no other vidya does this?

>>723309595
Because you can't have multiple people working on the same model at the same time so it's easier and faster to task three people to make a couple buildings each and then copy paste them around the city

As for the performance, you can cull everything the player doesn't see so it's on you to prove why the big model somehow causes performance issues

>>723308672
>13m / 200 / 2 = 32.5k annual average.
It's a small pokemon game anon they usually have about 90 on a game.
That puts it at about 144k

>>723278950 (OP)
But I stopped caring about it 20 years ago

>>723309595
>Why do you think almost no other vidya does this?
Anon, most vidya does that and they also utilise culling like ZA does.

>>723309595
>This surely doesnt effect performance!
I have yet to see evidence that it has.

>>723309784
Lmfao, show me a vidya that does this thats the rough size of Lumiose

>>723309445
>One being inapplicable
It's not inapplicable though, expedition 33 is technically indie. Look at any indie that isn't just a solodev endeavor and you're looking at millions, plural. Like, no man's sky, factorio, whatever. Millions in salaries and development cycles well over 5 years all over the place.

The game freak numbers barely work even if you literally halve the company and say only 100 or so people actually worked on the game. The entire point I've been making is that it is incredibly easy to see how 13 million is chump change for a company to chew through just to operate.

>i-its not the c-city
Lol ok, so why is it chugging you fucking retards?

>>723309727
>That puts it at about 144k
that's for 2 years of work, faggot. that's a 72k salary, which is still nothing. and we are still only talking about salaries and none of the other costs involved

>>723309972
where is it chugging

>>723309916
How come AAA games of the past didnt have nearly this amount of budget 15-20 years ago?

>>723309972
Too much Pokemon AI loaded into memory at once.

>>723309972
The game runs at locked 30 with slight drops on Switch 1 (probably more drops in multiplayer though) and constant 60 no matter what on Switch 2

>>723310069
Because entire games were made with teams of a couple dozen or so people and with way shorter development cycles. Now everything takes longer and studio sizes are way bigger.

>>723279218
is your game pixelslop?

Pokémon was never good.
Back in Highschool when red and blue dropped my retarded friends couldn’t stop playing this shit.
Meanwhile I was busy dominating chuds online in quake 3

>>723308939
And that's what, an extra million if I'm being generous?
Because in spite of that, SV outsold, by a very small margin and in japan only, the RGB games and yet it still failed to outsell the game worldwide.
So even if we subtract that extra number, it still only did marginally better in comparison when every other series are in high two% to three% digits better in comparison

ZA unironically looks even worse than XY

isn't the game open world?
why would a city not be a single model?

>>723310426
Do you think BotW is rendering the entirety of Hyrule at all times

>>723281328
Your metaphor sucks. The bridge working implies it can handle the weight and is sturdy.

>>723279168
Look at all th seething snoys and valvefaga.

>>723310547
haven't played it but if it doesn't have pop-ins, i'm going to guess yes

>>723279357
plenty of games have all the terrain of a single stage (and/or very large areas) be a single model, which is far more reasonable and not anywhere near the same as "the whole city", it seems they misunderstood that you do this and have a lot of bigger things in it at effectively awful resolution and just put the real ones over the top.
especially if the engine can render sections of it and is built with support for very large meshes.

much as you said, but I also doubt they actually did knowing them.
feels like they saw some stuff that other games do, knew something like it was possible, and then just did it without really understanding why or for what reason.

>>723281328
so what, you think this game is gonna kill someone?

>>723282326
Dude, veiguard is very competent on a technical side, it has good graphics and very good optimization, the problem are dumpster fire writing and bad game design. (the game was supposed to be a mmo or something)

Pokemon got the opposite problem, game design is pokemon but graphics/engine are indie tier.

>>723302320
>AAAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEE I NEED RANDOM BULLSHIT TO BE MAD ABOUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
I hope your chapstick melts in the dryer.

Pokemon adults are pathetic.

>>723281023
its very strange that graphic (correctly) calls it a frustrum but then still draws a pyramid in the example.
a lot of engines can support doing this even to single meshes and terrains are no exception, but the reason for the low quality environment might be because of this poor optimization. it isn't a free technique and engines are usually built around it, so you can easily take advantage of it and do some neat stuff with it.

Wouldn’t this make sense if this was a collision model?

>>723310642
You could not be any more wrong

>>723279134
funny, isn't your game horribly optimized too, fagoon?

>>723310172
>Because entire games were made with teams of a couple dozen or so people and with way shorter development cycles.
And why cant this be the case now? The answer is corporate bloat and muh graphix, because some asshole figures out that you could sell people on movies and thus did away with demos. We have long hit the point of diminishing returns. Yet every AAAslop game must have MUH REALISTIC GRAPHIX. No, you do not need to have every leaf look real. No, you do not need to have fucking meme tracing. I do not give a fuck about what the shadows on the ground look like past the 3 minute mark, much less 20+ hours into a game. You dont need any of this shit to sell your game, much less make it fun. But they think they do, so we have entire teams lovingly crafting stupid bullshit nobody gives a fuck about and driving up costs because you need to pay them for said bullshit. Then you have to go through a gorillian focus testing meetings to make sure the game is as inoffense as possible, where is it reviewed by DEI Karens that have never played anything other than fucking candycrush in their lives. All on payroll. And off course you need to get your bloated piece of shit out on the market fast to appease investors, so you hire a bunch of 3rd party faggots to sloppily "help" code more, regardless of quality or optimization. And then finally you drop millions to market your slop shit acroess every social media, even though ads probably only affect something like 2-3% of the population that isnt in a negative way. This culminates to hours of credits for a dogshit, bloated game.
>b-but they NEED-
Minecraft.

>>723310874
well i'm not going to disagree with something i don't know

>>723279462
>as long as it works
Probably why the people are digging into it as much, because the pokemon games just don't work.

>>723310838
Always bet on stupid. This was made by someone who can’t program using resources they knew nothing about

ok expert devs
how would you make a city in a open world game?
cut it in pieces?

>>723310153
>slight
>no matter what
Lol

>>723281023
>frustrum
EZL american pic?

>>723310829
it's frustum*

>>723311068
I wouldnt make it open world to begin with.

>>723286978
With how shitty the game looks it should be 60fps on the Switch 1

>>723310915
>And why cant this be the case now?
The pioneers who were all passionate and had to actually problem solve are all gone. Any jackass can make a game now, the bar is so low there is nothing but mediocrity and incompetence left even before you enter DEI and corpo bloat into the equation. Even indies still have problems producing things despite the problems being easily solvable with a fucking claude query. Necessity is the mother of invention and any gay retard can just leverage insanely powerful hardware without actually having to problem solve today.

>>723279168
Ok think like if the city was a hamburger, but instead of the chef being able to put all the toppings at once they’re baked in as part of the cooking process, so you can’t remove toppings based on the customer’s needs

>>723278950 (OP)
So like, why didnt they just do the same shit as legends arceus, but in XY? Literalky why change the game to "exploring" a gay city instead of exploring the wilds?

>>723281535
lmao looks like 2004 The Sims or some shit

>>723311187
>Even indies still have problems producing things despite the problems being easily solvable with a fucking claude query.
Thats whats making the problems in the first place lmao, the only thing that shit can do right is copy and paste from SO

>>723311182
Fucking this. The old Ninty devs could have made this shit for the fucking GameCube no problem. These women are talentless hacks at their magnum opus

>YOMAH

YO MAMA

>>723306974
Dude you have no idea how kid-dominated Roblox is. It's so kiddy not even adult predators know about it

>>723311360
We all could probably make something that looks better and run better than this if given like 6 months training on a modern game engine. Game Freak wanting to reinvent the wheel instead of using what works already is the reason for all this.

>>723311187
Correct. Thats the other huge factor. Thats also why I rebuke anyone who claims that games *need* to have such high budgets. No, they dont. Its companies throwing money at the problems instead of actually solving them. It would be like saying that you *need* ridiculously high end equipment to film a movie. You dont. You can shoot one for next to nothing and make it look good if you know what youre doing in cinematography and are a wiz at post editting. It is the way it is due to incompetence perpetuating shit practices

>>723279168
It's an entire city, on a release title of the newest console, that has less detail than 2B's butt from a game that's more than a decade old.

>>723311604
more pixels dont always mean better

>>723311328
im not even talking about code gen, im just talking about using the ai as a glorified search engine to solve architecture problems

>>723311531
I feel like this would be an excellent youtube video. Just some guy with no programming experience setting out to make a pokemon game at the relative scale of this game. See how long it takes him to get to this level and surpass it. Hed probably need to hire some people, but just have him add up the cost and post results. Something needs to wake the dick riders up

>>723311695
Ah. Yea, fair point lol

>>723307716
I have long since stopped giving a shit about pokemon
that doesn't mean children deserve to be fed nonstop infinite slop forever because the people making things for them can't be assed to even try, the slow disappearance of products for kids that don't treat them like complete retards is a direct reason for them invading fucking everywhere because there's no more decent containment zones they can enjoy without them getting inevitably turned to garbage

>>723278950 (OP)
dont care still buying it

>>723311861
I promise you kids don’t care about the stupid bullshit you insist is important lol
They’re not investigating the 3rd floor building texture to notice it’s a shitty wraparound

>>723286575
I do, Pokemon romhacks have long subplanted my needs for new official Pokemon games a long time ago. I only know of the mons post-Sun/Moon because I happened to come across them in other romhacks.

>>723285559
>>723279168
>So what if I drive in the highway with my first gear? I like the melting sounds my engine makes!
https://youtu.be/viejY6UZ5Bk?si=NDUBSMswWVyBZm7o

>>723279168
Yet it doesn't, not even on the 2. XY's Lumiose City is significantly more detailed and that was on the fucking 3DS, a 14 year old handheld. Your point, snoy?

>>723278950 (OP)
>the entire city is one giant fuckass model loaded in at all times
I'll admit I understand nothing about those numbers and how many would be too much, but that would explain a lot about how the game runs if 250k and 350k on the higher side. Either that or its the dogshit optimization on the Switches.

I dont care about Pokemon games, its just that I want to have sex with cute pokegirls, they are so sexy. Specially the younger ones.