Thread 723281830

Elden Ring’s 2nd half is even more shit than DS1’s 2nd half but doesn’t even get a fraction of the criticism that game gets.
>Game becomes totally linear once you reach Leyndell unlike DS1 which gives you 4 level paths + DLC you can do in any order
>Mountaintops of the Giants is linear and doesn’t even have a legacy dungeon
>Half of Consecrated Snowfield has the same godawful gimmick as Frigid Outskirts, once again not even a fraction of the criticism DS2 gets though
>Fire Giant is garbage and has the worst camera of any FromSoft boss
>Forced right into Farum Azula which is full of copy-paste dragons
>DLC can't be accessed until you are able to beat a late-game boss in a dogshit area
>Final level is basically a bossrush in an altered Leyndell
It’s infuriating how much people suck Elden Ring’s dick. Fucking fraudulent game

farum azula sucks so much ass. constant schizo beastfaggots throwign daggers and lightning at you 24/7, enemy spam, shitskin farto, faggot ass maliketh, optional bonus cancerous dragon fight.
snow fields also suck dick

>>723281830 (OP)
I'd still rather play it than Dark Souls 1 because the gameplay is better and there is like 10x more build specialization

>>723281967
Shit level

>>723281830 (OP)
I'll give you that. When I saw Astel in a fucking regular dungeon the game simply lost the spark it had. Finding him by accident (the oiginal one) was so fucking cool. Seeing him being used as regular dungeon boss... Like, why?

>>723281830 (OP)
git gud

>>723281830 (OP)
What made the second half of DS1 worse are things that are considered the series' strengths

>>723281830 (OP)
Consecrated Snowfield is dogshit since the gimmick is just "follow the light on the ground" and otherwise it's just a normal arean.

Frigid Outskirts is kino because the gimmick is 'fight your way hopelessly through a blizzard assaulted from all sides by powerful, unique enemies until the storm clears and you can see distant landmarks guiding you on your path, which also serve as shelters from the storm to protect you"

The only reason people cry about the outskirts is that it's a boss runback, so you need to redo the whole thing every time you die to the shitty gank boss at the end. Snowfield is just incredibly forgettable because there's nothing to it.

>>723281830 (OP)
>>723284226
The Consecrated Snowfield blizzard still has actual topography and things to find, and you're not getting constantly attacked by multiple reworked Sanctuary Guardians. That's why it doesn't get the same flack as the Frigid Outskirts.

>>723281830 (OP)
Calling Mountaintops and Consecrated Snowfield the "second half" is pretty disingenous.
It's more like the last 10 hours of a 100+ hour game.
Not to mention Leyndell and Haligtree are some of the best dungeons in the game.

>>723281830 (OP)
I think the second half is still better than DS1 because:
>exploration in mountaintops is better than any of the DS1 zones post Anor Londo
>Farum Azula has good verticality and the boss fights are fun
>The Haligtree is a phenomenal zone
>catacombs/moghwyn palace are interesting to explore

>>723284206
DeSfags have no answer for this of course, DS1's second half closely resembles that game but for whatever reason Demon's Souls is treated as a masterpiece in comparison even though stuff like Tomb of the Giants and Bed of Chaos fit right into that game.

idk I just run past everything anyway all the content was the same to me
all the levels after that have more detail than 90% of the map anyway
>stupid big tree city
>broken tornado place
>dumb ghost town
>all that underground shit
Sorry you like trees and grass and red grass so much I guess

>>723285091
Calling it a 100+ hour game like that is pretty disingenuous
90% of that time is pointless, might as well count the hours from when I left the game running and went to sleep in the game's length

>>723285281
Tomb of the Giants and Bed of Chaos aren't ass because they're bad ideas. They're ass because they're horribly jank and feel unfinished. Like Bed of Chaos could be fixed with just some hitbox adjustments and removing the forced jumps.

>>723285281
Bed of Chaos does fit right in and nobody ever praised Dragon God so disliking Bed of Chaos is consistent

>>723281830 (OP)
10 years ago we would have told faggots like you to git gud. now you think your opinion matters.

sad.

I dunno I would just use summons if stuff becomes tedious

>>723285410
100 hours for your first playthrough isn't unusual.
But even if you want to say it's a 50 hour game, it's still the last 20% of the game.
Compare that to Dark Souls where it's literally half of the game that's shit.

>>723281830 (OP)
how the fuck are people still getting filtered by fire giant just don't lock on you retards

>>723285868
Honestly he isn't hard but he is really tedious. I don't know why he's a mandatory boss.

>>723285868
It's not hard, it just sucks and is anti-climactic

>>723285627
I wouldn't call it a 50 hour game either, you'd be lucky to squeeze 20 hours of actual substance out of it

>>723281830 (OP)
Hidden areas of ER are way better than the hidden areas of DS1.
DS1 only has
>Great Hollow/Ash Lake, really only has one thing in it
>Painted World, was pretty good
ER has numerous areas not needed to complete the game
>The entire Southern peninsula
>Haligtree
>Lake of Rot to Ainsel Deep Well leading to that area you could only see in Liurnia.
>All the interconnected subterranian areas like below the roots of the Haligtree

I also don't really get why people hate on the Fire Giant so bad. He's pretty slow.

>>723285535
Dipshits such as yourself that think git gud excused and and all criticism are the reason that the entire series sucks dick now

>>723281830 (OP)
>2nd half
Giants and Faram Azula are basically late game, Faram Azula could even be considered the final dungeon of the game.
Consecrated is merely a bonus alternate level like Mohg's Dynasty.

I agree that MTOG is a very unpolished area, but Consecrated is actually a good level and over-hated for some autistic reason, the blizzard isn't even that big.
>Faram Azula
>Bad
It basically what Dragon Aerie and Archdragon Peak have built themselves up to be. To pretend that this level is remotely the mess that Izailith was is dishonest,

>>723283908
First off, Astel is a species as highlighted in its entire life cycle being fought in the game. It's not the same kind of fuck up that was Godefroy
Second off, the Youghx mines is one of 2 unique ice dungeons in the entire game, unlike the other mines it isn't re-using the same tile set.

The clear logic is that Astel is very convoluted to reach without doing Ranni's questline. It's almost like they wanted some players to actually fight an easily missable boss?

>>723286001
Yeah suck a dick you contrarian faggot

>>723281830 (OP)
nah, it's great on default build runs. This and Sekiro are boss rushes. ER destroys Dark Souls on everything

>>723281830 (OP)
>>Final level is basically a bossrush in an altered Leyndell
This is the only true thing in your post, anon. I'm sorry, I hope you can enjoy your gaming.

Most of what you said is barely even true from a purely subjective standpoint, and even if literally every single word of it was 100% objective fact, it would still be multiple letter grades better than DS1. There is nothing less intelligent than a DS1 fan when DS1 comes under criticism of any framework, and threads like these are telling.

>>723286507
Padding a barren game out the way that Elden Ring has doesn't make it a 100+ hour game even if people do spend that long discovering how empty everything really is

>>723287843
There is no moment in any souls game as crushing and unbearable as scouring a massive field in Elden Ring only to find a mushroom or nothing at all.

>>723281830 (OP)
It doesn't get shit because most normies drop off before that point. ER has enough bloat to keep out the general audience from reaching since it's open world. DS1 was much more linear and faster to reach because of it.

>>723286001
If Elden Ring has 20 hours of good content in it, then Dark Souls would be lucky to crack 5.

>>723286495
The issue with the Consecrated Snowfields is that there's nothing really to do there other than go to Ordina.
Maybe stop in the Anix tunnel if you need to farm up some Smithing Stones.
Other than that, its just a giant empty space filler. The best thing to find is the reused Lion Misbegotten boss because he inexplicably has a unique boss weapon
You could have dumped the player right into Ordina after taking the second lift and it would have probably been an improvement.

>>723281830 (OP)
Fuck this game.

>>723290317
You really cannot play a twink mage in this game without being an expert.
You have a decent amount of Stamina. Use a shield. Magic Shield is a great spell and will save you a lot.

>>723281830 (OP)
Everything that's shit about ER is directly tied to the open world.

>>723281830 (OP)
Its a ps4 game, what were you expecting? Sadly the last decent soulsborne game will be ds2 of all things. Oh well, what can ya do?

>>723290317
Outskilled

>>723290317
Hey that's my old webm, I hope they fixed that shit by now

>>723290586
I wouldn't say everything, like some of the more common complaints around the boss design, but most issues are related to the open world.

>>723291160
Outskilled

>>723281830 (OP)
>>Fire Giant is garbage and has the worst camera of any FromSoft boss
this dude used lock on for fire giant. yikes.

Anyways the last part of Elden ring is over hated and its not even linear you fucking baboon. you have multiple ways to go and the best caves/grave sites are there.
>>723288564
literally doesnt happen in the base game but the DLC could feel like that.

>>723281830 (OP)
ER had it's issues but I'm playing Sekiro right now and I can't look at this game the same way now. Sekiro (an absolutely amazing game) flopped so now they are just repeating the same shit over and over because the dark souls formula actually sells. Since they don't want to rock the boat too hard they just fuck up the camera on purpose, implement input tracking, delayed attacks and SMOKE BOMB XD types of attacks to make the game "challenging". I finally truly get the rollslop criticism. A lot of the fanbase is autistic (and I don't mean it as an insult) so they can't empathize with people not liking elements of these games and treat being a fan as a core part of their personality so they will defend even objectively shitty parts. It's a fucked up situtation all around. Sad!

2nd half of dark souls is fine

>>723293180
How did Sekiro flop?

>>723293947
I never got the hate for the 2nd half except for lost izalith

Just beat this bullshit boss after 8 hours. Miss when Souls used to be methodical without combo spam, now you're always asking when it's your time to attack and the enemies do a billion damage. Stats don't matter, only cheese. Fuck this game.

>>723294342
This is a joke, right? Like, you're intentionally trying to make the people that act like DS1 was the greatest thing ever look retarded on purpose, aren't you?

>>723294427
I'm about to beat your shitty game so maybe you should respect that I beat one of the worst bosses I've ever fought in a game designed around killing you for the sake of killing you. Prepare to Die ruined souls, Artorias of the Abyss should've been the furthest the series ever went but ever since the abominable Pontiff Sulyvahn, the series has been absolutely shit ever since. And it's all your fault for enjoying that fight.

>>723294489
Pontiff is easy though? I usually call bosses bullshit but I beat Gael and Midir within about 30 tries each today by learning their movesets

>>723295102
>30 tries
>easy
Bro...
Bro...
Hang it up unc, it's over.

>>723294072
It sold well but wasn't as popular as souls. Souls games are also cheaper to make since they reuse a lot of assets (even in 2024 promised consort radahn reused some of sulyvahn's moves) and don't require great creative shifts. Throw in multiplayer and you incentivize pvpfags to buy your game and keep the community alive for longer. They didn't even bother with a DLC for the first time since DeS. It's simply a better ROI to pump out pure-souls formula games, especially when people munch it down like crazy with elden ring being a prime example.

>>723281830 (OP)
worst pvp
worst audience (red man bad safe space zoomers)
no random stuff, bloodborne chalice dungeons combined with dark souls 2 pvp would be the best game from could ever release.

>>723281830 (OP)
If you systematically clear all content in order of enemy levels, you will run into really garbage copy-pasted dungeons and bosses in the Consecrated Snowfield, but the rest is fine. You want the game to stay challenging when you near the peak of your build, not to become piss easy.

>>723286495
>First off, Astel is a species as highlighted in its entire life cycle being fought in the game. It's not the same kind of fuck up that was Godefroy
>Second off, the Youghx mines is one of 2 unique ice dungeons in the entire game, unlike the other mines it isn't re-using the same tile set.
Why do these threads always have some dicksucker appear to ER's shit lore for reasoning behind its overt weaknesses?

>>723295102
>Pontiff is easy
Correct. I've played the game for 206 hours since it came out, and I'm not lying when I say I've NEVER died to that boss a single time. Not once.

>>723295737
You died to abyss watchers though

>>723295684
the same people will shit on dark souls 1 for reusing demon enemies in late game.

>>723295186
I said pontiff was easy, though as I beat him first time. Never said Gael/Midir were easy just that the claim the series/bosses are bullshit is just complaints from people not learning bosses move sets

Nightreign was when Fromsoft peaked. All of this other shit was just the buildup.

>>723295790
Nah, DS3 isn't really that hard outside of that Irithyll Dungeon where those faggot nigger Jailers drain your health. 1h Quality straight sword is simply too powerful for any boss to keep up with.

>>723295839
Aldrich. Now that’s a hard boss.

>>723295889
>straight sword
You didn’t beat the game. You cheated not only the game but yourself by using that overpowered weapon. Should’ve used the Farron Greatsword, like me. Yeah… I know you struggled with Nameless King and Lothric. I didn’t.

>>723295906
I feel like this is sarcasm, although different players/builds struggle with different bosses.

>>723294342
The problem with ER is that it takes the logic of BB to an extreme. In BB you were given a quick dash, limited ammunition to stun a boss, and some interesting combo mix ups to both punish bosses and learn when and where to hit them.
DS3 did this incredibly lazily, and ER specifically builds off of DS3's framework.

In ER you're not only expected to brain-hemorrhage your way through learning most boss movesets, the game seems to be designed completely around just cheesing everything as much as possible because that's what the bosses do to you. Every animation is dishonest, every attack has some kind of unforeseeble follow up, attacks come up in sub-12 frames to fuck with the input delay on the roll, bosses do cartoonish nonsensical shit because they know they're in a game etc.
The path to victor isn't playing it honestly, it's just BTFO with whatever tools you have. I am not going to sit on my ass all day learning a the same shitty boss with a new phase 40 hours in. I am going to rend his asshole open with Bleed, Frost, and Lion's Claw, and when his stance breaks I'm going to pull out a Miseracorde and ram it up his asshole every time. There is zero "honor" in ER, the devs have completely lost their way and they purposefully have made the game to be endured rather than enjoyed.

>>723295954
Nah I actually did die a few times to Aldrich while I first tried basically every boss surrounding him. No baiting this time. I did Midir in like 3 tries and Aldrich in 5, im the only person who thought Midir was way easier than Aldrich.

>>723295954
Doesn't matter what build you are, just toss fire bombs and that's over 2/3/rds his health. Fire Resin solves the rest. Aldritch is a very obvious cutting room floor boss that was slapped together at the last minute.

>>723296053
>Midir easier than Aldrich
I kneel
>>723296063
Never used that strat but may next time

I like the 2nd half of DS1 because that’s when the whole game opens up and is about the time you can really start focusing your build. Only disappointing thing is lost izalith being shittily done and nito being a pushover. Didn’t care much for the oolacile dlc as that felt like the beginning of where soulslop is today; I still go there to get some stuff but never bother finishing it.

>>723295943
Nah, the game's easy.

>>723296152
I think the hardest boss in DS3 is easily Friede and none of the others come close. I actually think if I started a run of either DS3 or ER right now, using similar weapons, I’d have a way higher chance of first trying Malenia than Friede despite them being the same archetype. Base DS3 bosses are really easy especially after SOTE.

Reading about people's boss experiences with Souls games is interesting. I finished 3 for the first time this year. I'll add my bit in,
Died to Gael the most, I can partially attribute this to being pretty over the game and wanted it to be done with. Then Midir second, then from there I don't know, maybe Nameless King. Gael was 10-12 deaths, Midir ~8 deaths, Nameless I think 2 or 3 times. Friede I died once to. I did die to the tutorial Gundyr 2 or 3 times too, but I was coming straight from DS2 (first time DS1 > 2 > 3 back to back) and I had momentary whiplash. Most bosses were first try, like Aldrich I was surprised to hear he's supposed to be one of the harder bosses. I liked him, thought he was pretty slow and simple, but does have some pretty dumb melee animations.

Kind-of wish I took my screencaps, but I take very few in any vidya, the ~10 I have for DS3 is more than most games I play anyway.

>>723296603
iirc my tries in ds3 were
>1 gundyr, 1 vordt, 1 wood, 1 crystal sages, 1 deacons, 1 abyss watchers, 2 wolnir (don’t laugh), 2 sulyvahn, 5 aldrich, 1 yhorm, 1 dancer, 1 ocelot, 1 CHAMP, 1 dragonslayer, 4 nameless king, 1 lothric, 4 soc, 1 champ gravetender, 1 (hour) friede, 4 demon princes, 3 midir, 2 church (cancer aids murky hand scythe faggot), 4 gael
I did Friede with a +9 until I got the slab and then went +10 and I fought her before nameless king and dragonslayer iirc.

>>723281830 (OP)
Shadow of the erdtree had better level design than the whole base game for some reason

>>723281830 (OP)
every fromsoft game has a frontloaded beginning, then falls fast and hard every moment from then on. Firelink shrine is great, you can go anywhere. Then the game turns into a series of corridors with copypasted enemies for you to run around. Getting to limgrave is great, then the game turns into map icon spam open world cumgargling.

>>723281830 (OP)
>its a fight
>its a competition
>its a war and you have to choose a side
>aaaaaaaaaaa
its just two different videogames

elden ring as a whole is just lost izalith scaled up
boring nothingness with copypasted enemies you're better of skipping

>>723297447
Disagree. Shadow Keep was the only standout area. The map design was slightly better but squandered by how empty much of it was

>>723296010
I genuinely cannot understand the design of Elden Ring’s combat besides accepting that the game wants you to abuse spirit ashes and cheap items. It’s been 3 years and I can’t see any other explanation for why the enemies just relentlessly fucking spam attacks with no cooldown to the point of bosses cancelling into other animations and reading your inputs. No other FromSoft game is like this and all I can think of is that the game wants you to be using spirit ashes all the time

>>723298786
the games need to get progressively harder to satisfy the people with a small dick syndrome and let them have their pro gaymer (lol) badge

>>723298786
they called it waterfowl dance because it's some jank, fowl dogshit

>>723290317
>not staying behind the pillar base
You'd still get fucked by that move even without the weird glitch.

because ds1's first half was good

>>723281830 (OP)

Every souls game I've played I've always somewhat hated while playing but in the end after beating it I loved it, except for Elden Ring its truly an awful games with no redeeming quality's

>>723281830 (OP)
best souls game since bloodborne

>>723281830 (OP)
The only people who dislike Maliketh are those who are completely shit at the game. It's always people whining about having "no openings" because they're too stupid to run around the boss or use jump attacks instead of just spamming the dodge button.

>>723281967
The lategame has a lot of cool shit. Most of the best armors, bosses, and zones besides the beginning ones.

It's the middle that really kills replayability with all its absolutely useless padding.

>>723281830 (OP)
you know what youre right. i hated it on my first playthrough but i didnt mind it. but after several playthroughs the moment i kill morgot and melina is like go to the mountaintop i fucking get this feeling like someone just gave me a sour jawbreaker. like fuck here we go the bs part of the game.

i will say that elphael is kino and one of my fav parts. too bad one of my most hated sections aga haligtree is right before it.

>>723290317
What a shit game, and what an ugly boss design too
Everything about Elden Ring is so repulsive

>>723282354
>t.

>>723281830 (OP)
Dont worry anon, when er 2 comes out everyone will jump ship and say that one is a flawless masterpiece and the original was always dogshit. Its just how your average normie is nowadays

>>723294342
>Souls used to be methodical without combo spam
Meaning bosses had 3 attacks and player mobility was shitty enough you had to wait them out.

>>723281830 (OP)
Watch your mouth scum
Eldenring is the greatest video game ever made