Thread 723298853

Honestly I have always felt like the Skyrim intro basically tells you the Stormcloak rebellion was already doomed. Ulfric and his main guys are captured, the Imperials got them on their way to execution and General Tullius clearly has things under control. If Alduin hadnt showed up, Ulfric would have been dead and the rebellion would have collapsed almost immediately. The war was practically over before the game even started.

Thats why I think the Imperial victory ending makes the most sense as the realistic or even canon outcome. The Empire was winning, it had more resources, and Skyrim staying under Imperial control fits better with how the rest of Tamriels politics usually play out.

On top of that, I like to think Emperor Titus Mede II might have actually arranged his own assassination. Hear me out... by letting himself be killed (maybe framing it as a Thalmor plot), he could have given the Empire a reason to unite again. Like a final move and push Tamriel toward one last stand against the Dominion. It explains why hes so calm when you meet him and why he basically accepts his fate.

good goy

I'm not reading all that

>>723298976
Same. Op is being a faghot again.

>>723298853 (OP)
Who fucking cares? The Skyrim civil war involves 0 logistics or strategy so it doesn't fucking matter because the writers can just say that "X side won but mcguffin happened so they lost, keep it simple stupid!"

>>723298976
>>723299057
Whats so wrong with /v/ lately? You can
t even talk about games or their lore anymore. I miss old /v/.
Would be a post about some twitter screen cap more fitting for you?

>>723298853 (OP)
The whole point of the game is introducing the fall of the empire in the canon, they may refrain from giving the war a definitive conclusion but the empire will be gone in TES VI

>>723299314
this is my guess too

>>723298853 (OP)
>The war was practically over
The war was at a standstill. They got lucky catching Ulfric then got very unlucky and lost him. It was only a parenthesis with no consequence on the war. (except pushing the Dragonborn over to the side that didn't try to execute him)
>by letting himself be killed (maybe framing it as a Thalmor plot)
He didn't frame it.
>he could have given the Empire a reason to unite again
The loss of a leader is ALWAYS a divisive event. It never united a state. Shit theory.
He's calm because being murdered is basically a natural cause for kings and emperors.

>>723300821
>The loss of a leader is ALWAYS a divisive event. It never united a state.
What about Stalin and Mao?

>>723300821
>The loss of a leader is ALWAYS a divisive event
wrong

I'm just not going to side with people who were about to chop my head off because "paperwork hard". Simple as.

Doesn't matter. They weren't the one's beheading. So they were better.

>>723298853 (OP)
How did bearbro "Oblivion-follower" not know where his buttbuddy Ulfric was at? Could he really call himself a "True friend"?

>>723298853 (OP)
>one last stand against the dominion
Mate the empire signed their own slave contract and ignores the death camps and genocide troops. For decades.
The empire loves elves, there is no last stand, they are thalmor in all but race.

>he could have given the Empire a reason to unite again
Usually when a leader dies shit gets more divided and unstable, unless the heir has substantial authority. By the way it wasn't the Thalmor it was most likely some schmucks from the elder council, which is an alarming sign of internal division.
3rd Empire will collapse in TES 6 (or bethesda is chickenshit washed up cucks and will cling on to established themes)

I'm about to play Skyrim again. Haven't played it since 2015 or so. Is there actually a way to make peace between the two sides or am I being fucked with? If there is, I'm guessing that's probably the sort of canon route they'll go for in TES VI

>>723302149
Main quest. you just rearange their territories and make a temporary peace

>>723302186
for real?

>>723301925
You know what's braver than fighting? Waiting. Trvst the plqn.

>>723302272
Season Unending

>>723302272
And by "peace" it means that thalmor torture rape agents keep flaying civilians until the empires half of skyrim is cleansed of nords, then they'll restart the war to get the other half.

>>723302365
this will be the canon ending. Stormcloaks and the Empire can see that it is possible to lay down their weapons against a common enemy. Plus led by the Dragonborn itself.
And the next common enemy wouldn't be the fucking dragon but the Aldmeri Dominion. The Dragonborn will led the entire and new united army of humans against the Dominion. Mark my words. The MC of Skyrim will be the start of a new bloodline of emperors.

Maybe... I work at bethesda too.

>>723302709
>common enemy
What makes you think the thalmor are the empires enemy? The empire has done nothing but help them for the last 3 decades and gave them a free pass to murder all non-elves without any questions being asked. There's a reason everyone wants the empire to fuck off.

>>723302850
Even Tullius is stating that they are re arming against the Dominion. It's a race with some fake peace treaty.

>>723298853 (OP)
i tried several times to play and finish skyrim, but that shit was so fucking lifeless and boring, i just dont get the appeal.
the dialogues are the worst, its 99% exposition dump, and my character can speak, he can only say "yes", "no", or "maybe".

>>723302921
>peace treaty
You mean human genocide treaty. The thalmor literally keep killing people like they did during the war, only difference is that the empire doesn't fight back.

>>723303237
the dominion suffered higher losses than the empire. and they are re-arming much slower thats the main reason why they dont want that the civil war ends.

>>723298853 (OP)
>tHe StOrMcLOakS cAN TAKe ThE eMPiRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGHdiZluJ5A

>>723303297
Any second now mate, just 8 more decades until the empire rises up, trust the plan, SOON ™, there are no death camps chud.

>>723303297
If they suffered such high losses, why did the empire sign a treaty that essentially makes them the thalmors slaves. Are they retarded?

>>723303475
because they suffered too? A pyrrhic victory would be dumb.

>>723298853 (OP)
Lotta effort for a Simperial.
It is just a game. You don't have to justify yourself to anyone.
If you enjoy simping for a warlord wearing the corpse of the Septim Empire as a costume go ahead.

>>723303413
>Any second now mate
it's a game you know? 'til TESVI the time stands still. But I bet that both (empire or dominion) will be better at war than monkey putin

>>723303568
Then why not sign a more equal treaty instead of "we create death camps and genocide you while you aren't allowed to do anything back to us"?

>>723303597
>lots of effort
>just a game
>calling someone 'simperial'
And another thing. Why is it an issue to talk about games and its lore? Aren't we on /v/?

>>723303659
>we create death camps
one black site and one embassy

>>723303610
Sure, but the empire and dominion are on the same side so it doesn't matter how good they are at war.

For a questline so rushed and shat on by Bethesda, it's amazing how they unintentionally left room for so many interpretations and attention to little details by players. Even after all these years.

>>723303663
Ok then.
Explain why you are comfortable supporting a warlord wearing the corpse of the Septim Empire as a costume?
> Crickets
You don't want a discussion. You want validation from others simping for the empire in Skyrim.

>>723302709
Except all the player characters dissapear as soon as the game story ends. Dragonborn is vored by Haermerus Mora, sorry.

>>723303905
>a warlord wearing the corpse of the Septim Empire
Whoa, this is just like the late Western Roman Empire.

>>723303893
You would have thought the Simperial fans would have given up long ago.
They are a plucky bunch. I will give them that much.

It's funny. In Morrowind I am always siding with the Dunmer against the Empire, because thd Dunmer are just so cool.
While in Skyrim, I am always siding with the Empire against the Stormcloaks, because the Stormcloaks are just this lame.

>>723303697
>there are no death camps chud, northwatch keep is just a science facility
And all the people at the talos shrines killed themselves by stabbing their own backs

>>723303976
The one that collapsed? That one?

You are not helping your case

>>723303985
simperial

>>723304004
FOUR dead people and one crazy aldmeri

>>723304030
In my headcanon, regardless of who wins the civil war in Skyrim, I believe the Empire will end up even more fragmented. And even a free Skyrim won't last long against
I doubt nu-Bethesda will have the balls to end an iconic faction in their game, though. Just look at how they keep parading the corpses of the Enclave and Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout even when it conflicts with their own "lore".
But I'll probably be dead before they release TES6. And it also depends on the time gap between stories. They took a big leap between Oblivion and Skyrim.

>>723304104
Yes and solitude consists of like 10 houses. If we're gonna use in-game logic for our arguments, then I would say that 4 dead people are a sizeable chunk of the total population.

>>723304036
Nah, I'm House Redoran, but unless there is a mod for it, there is no way for the Dunmer to just take over the Empire.

>>723304368
>american logic
>10 ingame houses * 7 fluid ounces of coke = 6 million dead nords

>>723303365
>a battered WE WUZ "Empire" composing of Cyrodiil, Skyrim, and very loosely High Rock
>still scared of an actual war with them
How the fuck is an independant Skyrim ever going to stick it to the Dominion then? I know Ulfrik is delusional and coping from being mindfucked into thinking he was important enough that he let the Empire fall, but this is ridiculous. Man's just a goddamn lunatic.

Tiber Septim was a based Breton Spellsword.
That's why flimsy elven magic didn't even scratch him.

>>723304450
>european logic
>killing 10% of the capitals population is not a lot

>>723304231
The only conflicts about the BoS is the stuff they were saddled with from the games made before they owned it.

>>723304619
>Nords still don't know they're worshipping a Breton who took credit for Wulfarth's deeds
I know they can't read enough to realize the truth, but it is really fucking funny how they WE WUZ

>>723304619
Pretty sure he was a sload that had an outstanding makeup artist.

>>723304720
Don't they show up out of the blue in F76, too?
Not like Bethesda would leave their most iconic faction out of any Fallout game.
My point is just that they won't make the Empire fall, even if it's reduced just to the olden original "Imperial Province" only.
My wager is that they will be in their worst position ever in TES6, regardless of Skyrim's Civil War canon outcome (they will also chicken out on settling that).

>>723304720
The issue with the BoS is that it wasn't even that big of a faction in previous Fallout games. They virtually had no presence in FO2 and they got clowned on by both the NCR and the Enclave. And it was the NCR that was consistently the equivalent of "main" faction in Fallout lore. Brotherhood was only important in non-canon spinoff games, and because gets their Fallout lore from skimming wiki, they misconstrued it and made BoS THE Fallout faction.

>>723302709
>led by the Dragonborn
What's stopping the Dragonborn from takin over Skyrim and expanding it's borders again? They better not do some bullshit like they did with the Nerevarine.

>>723305338
The Dragonborn sold his soul to the cthulhu god forcibly due to "but thou must" options. He's a Miraak 2.0.

>>723304727
>HJALTI EARLY-BEARD is totally a breton dude, this one text says so, and even though all texts in TES are biased I just know this one is 1000% trve I'm like ahead of the curve with secret knowledge and shit bro

Does anybody even remember the Hero of Kvatch?
Does anybody even care about them?
It has to be the lamest protagonist in ES. Barely did anything of notice and in the end failed in one job they were hired to do.

>>723305338
Because his in-game strength isn't his lore strength. You could aswell ask why the nerevarine didn't equip 100% reflect gear and conquer the world.

>>723305524
damn... poor Ulfric...

>>723305473
Well, Nerevarine potentially killed three living gods on top of A LOT more shit in-betweeen. His lore strength is also through the roof.

>>723304627
So if dragonborn kills one bandit he killed a thousand in one swing?

>>723305628
He already kills bandits by the thousands in-game scale. Tamriel is populated by homeless marauders, then

>>723304619
>Born in Alcaire, a Nordic colony established during the First Nordic Empire
>Birth name was "Hjalti Early-Beard"
>Everyone, everyone calls him a Nord
>"Haha did you know a forum post proves he's a Breton actually!"
This is probably the peak of video game "Lore expert" faggotry.

>>723305628
yes

>>723305414
>every emperor since tiber has been a breton

>>723298853 (OP)
>If [x] hadnt showed up, [person] would have been dead and the rebellion would have collapsed almost immediately. The war was practically over...
I just woke up and cbf to dig up examples but you'd be surprised how many you could find IRL of that kind of shit happening
circumstance is a bitch

>>723305457
He became Sheogorath
Easily the second most powerful TES protag
>>723305473
>>723305554
Nerevar is the third strongest. The Tribunal were false gods. Real impressive feat is beating the fuck out of Hircine, but that's outside his legend. Hell, you can choose not to be Nerevar by killing Vivec and jury-rigging wraithguard. I much prefer that then being Azura and destiny's bitch.

>>723306596
Crassus and Suren.
good fucking lord, imagine being roman amd hearing about that entire fucking fiasco
>>723305734
cope and seethe, snowback

>>723305734
>Born in Alcaire, a Nordic colony established during the First Nordic Empire
do you have any fucking idea how long ago that was?

>>723305734
>>723306916
I guess Bretons are really Altmer going by this logic.

>>723305628
Either in-game populations are canon and the thalmor really only killed 4 people in their death camp and solitude really only has 50 citizens, or they are not. Pick one.

Why was Nerevar so special? Was he really a son of Boethia? He's a distinctly mer-related ES protag, albeit Padomaic with the whole Velothi faith.

>>723298853 (OP)
If you know how TES lore works, then the canon will be this:
>Neither side has won - either they signed a peace agreement or they're still fighting
>If and only IF one side has won, then the Dragonborn had nothing to do with it
>Ulfric and Tullius have both died in battle at unspecified times
>Titus Mede was killed by an unnamed DB assassin
>The Dragonborn disappeared and was never heard from again

>>723298853 (OP)
Nice post but too bad we won't ever be getting TESVI. And for those of you that think otherwise, even if it does come out you are fooling yourselves if you think it will be any good and free of any woke shit influence.

>>723303985
The Stormcloaks should have been a Nord-Dunmer alliance. The Dunmer in Skyrim act like total cocksuckers for absolutely no reason, they even secretly support the Empire when it makes no sense for them to do so. All this after Nords gave them Raven Rock and Windhelm's Grey Quarter. They should have teamed up against their common enemy, it would've been cool as hell. But this is Bethesda so we can't have nice things.

Please consult the authority on the matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcSEWRH7Ts

>>723298853 (OP)
>I love this game so much that I ritualpost this shit
>years later, not ONE shot of my own posted

>>723309472
literally who