Thread 723314929

>170k players lost interest in a week and it dropped to 20k - which mostly consists of bots idling in the main menu and auto-inviting people who send a friend request
Concord bros we are so back

>>723314929 (OP)
this game has no legs to stand on. its for no one.

Valve fucked up with this game

I don't think any dota 2 player is gonna stop playing it and switch to whatever this is supposed to be

20k people and 35k daily peak for a semi-closed alpha is now Concord levels? You're mental.

>>723314929 (OP)
They realised they were too late to the superhero shooter trend so the MOBA shit was added as an afterthought to try and make the game unique in the market

>>723315332
The earliest prototype version of this game from like a decade ago, using antlions for creeps, was already intended to be a moba.

>page 6 because it's just OP samefagging hate on a game he's bad at
Closed alpha with 40k daily rapes 99.9% of games on the market. It's literally a top 50 game daily played world wide. Your pathetic hate means nothing.

>gets artificial boost because it's a "secret leak" of a new valve game
>Drops down when people realize it's a unbalanced alpha filled with programmer art
> Still has tens of thousands concurrent players all of the time
It's hard to describe how fuckugly the game really was in september 2024

>>723315301
it's /v/, gotta be clickbaity

>>723314929 (OP)
The issue is, if you're a Dota player, who this most appeals to you can't be good at both games, so you'll just continue to play Dota.

The new artifact

>>723315332
>Moba is an afterthought
It's literally the guy who spent his entire life making dota and dota 2 trying his hand at dota 3

>>723316017
I have 4000 hours in dota 2 (to be fair it popped up from 2000 for some reason, fairly sure I wasn't hacked) and I never want to play it again. I have 500 hours in deadlock over the last year.

>>723315001
Autistic transfolx and redditors that are at bottom 3 ranks and don't even play it like they're supposed to love it tho

>>723314929 (OP)
>which mostly consists of bots idling in the main menu and auto-inviting people who send a friend request
Why is no one talking about this? this is how I got access to the game as well, why does every valve game have such a massive bot problem, do they actually allow it on purpose? It's like they are inflating the playcount on every game

>>723314929 (OP)
>too normalfaggy for the autist crowd
>too autistic for the normalfag shooter crowd
yep it's over

>>723314929 (OP)
The game died when they've switched to three lane layout.

>>723314929 (OP)
If you hate yourself and want to hate yourself even more and increase your cortisol, play this game

>>723314929 (OP)
It's 50% bots and 50% valve defense force cultists

>>723314929 (OP)
soulless slop with no identity
even concord was more memorable than this game lol

>>723315962
I still don't think the game looks particularly good. Played for 800 hours and the map just feels so fucking small, boring, and unimaginative and at this point we're approaching the final version of it. It's incredible how they can't just fucking work on Half-Life or ANYTHING with a story again, they have to keep creating these hylic nightmares to suck all of your time, energy, and, eventually, money away

>>723316017
I peaked at low Legend rank in dota but in deadlock I'm the second highest rank, top 5% of players. Maybe that'll change when the game has a full release but for now I'm enjoying being good.

>>723314929 (OP)
>stayed so long in the invite only stage it's both too old for anyone to remember and not even out yet
Amazing marketing move

>>723316424
should be six lane imho

I’m pretty bummed that Valve doesn’t make FPS games anymore.

>>723316712
The visuals are still unfinished with tons of blank concrete filler areas and placeholder neon prime models, but go back and look at september gameplay and you'll see a huge difference. Regarding the map I'm hoping for casual game modes and custom maps, it's been rumored. Also half life is a blueball cliffhanger but I don't see the game itself being particularly interesting these days, if you disregard the magical "they could do aaaanything" factor.

>>723317170
its been like 20 years, move on already

>>723314929 (OP)
I'm hoping they'll add non-MOBA gamemodes to it and it essentially becomes TF3 because not much else can salvage it being a MOBA shooter. The skill ceiling is ridiculously high so you just know people will torture themselves even harder to reach it, balancing will become a nightmare because aiming skill is essentially a wildcard variable and so the gun items either suck or are overpowered depending on who uses them, most matches are dragged the fuck out to around 30-40 minutes despite their attempts to essentially cap it with the ridiculously long respawn timers (which are infuriating) and higher and higher soul income and so on. People play it for the same reason people play MOBAs in general, the drug addict dopamine rush of pissing off other players in the midst of your success (they can barely play) and then it will be for getting cosmetics once Deadlock gets a full release and gets monetized the fuck out. If they do it TF3-style with servers and such it might not be as popular (for the same reason taking out the opium out of your cooking will stop attracting so many regulars) but it sure as hell could be a lot more genuinely fun, and a loadout system would allow for a diverse amount of abilities for each character akin to TF2's weapon system.

>>723314929 (OP)
If I were gaben I would just cancel this shit and reuse the assets for a new game
I appreciate them trying something new but it just didn't work

>>723317706
There's a gamemode on the private test branch where it's just one really big lane in a best of 5 for who can destroy the other team's tower first.
It still has items but you can only buy them between rounds and your team all gets the same amount of cash to spend.

>>723315962
>filled with programmer art
The art is getting improved, though.

>>723318168
downgrade tbqh

>>723317170
>What's Half Life Alyx?

Can someone send an invite?

>>723317706
Gun isn't that exploitable because there's heavy damage falloff and the hitboxes are the size of the sun as well as all viable guns being straightforward semi-hitscan, and many abilities require aiming as well (i.e viscous goo fist having 100x the skill ceiling of all the guns in the game). Advanced movement is way more of a skill differentiator where you can zoom across the map with no items, but then again it's democratic and anyone can learn it. Casual modes would be fun as fuck and there's tons you can do, from semi-serious tf2 gameplay to viscous cube hockey

>>723318541
friend code?

>>723316017
>you can't be good at both games
But aren't dotafags the very kind of crowd who would call that a skill issue?

>>723318541
sure send your steam friendcode

>>723314929 (OP)
Should've just made a moba gamemode in L4D2

>UMMMM BUT ITS AN ALPHA!
100% of the people who would play this shit are playing it rn. This game having more lore and more cutscenes and more hereos isn't going to bring new players in. You people are delusional

>>723318791
I'm wondering how no one made one for tf2 yet. Literally just a two-sided mann vs machines, the assets are all already there.

>>723318946
it's actually gonna lose players after the playtest because the invite bots will become obsolete and go offline

>>723318946
Don't underestimate the amount of people who are too lazy try to get an invite. Also, Deadlock is far from being well known.

>>723318718
>>723318728
975451254

>>723314929 (OP)
rumors say a big event for halloween

>>723318946
>100%
Anon please be serious, there's a decent number of friendless retards who don't know about it and will jump on when it gets a full release and doesn't require any form of invite.

>>723318946
>A better looking, better balanced, better designed feature-complete game with an official launch, open f2p, achievements and cosmetics isn't going to be more popular
Pure retardation

>>723319049
>NFTranny avatar
Nope

>>723319140
>A better looking, better balanced, better designed feature-complete game
>game
Why are you being dishonest? Just call it what it is. Another ASSFAGGOTS clone

>>723319052
>events and updates for a game that isn't even out yet
FOR WHAT PURPOSE?!?

>>723319049
>NFT avatar
>unofficial owner of Bored Ape #8118.
>PM me for prices.

lmao

>>723319203
>This game isn't a game because it hurts my delicate reddit emotions if you consider the game a game

>>723319204
wait, you don't know?

>>723319274
Who are you quoting retard

>>723319035
There will probably be an explosion of activity when it leaves invite-only since some people literally wouldn't want to bother trying to get an invite no matter how easy it's made.

This will lead to a lot of smugposting from deadlockfags who are too stupid to learn from their mistakes as we'll watch the activity drop back down again since this game does not have a broad appeal.

>>723318946
You sound exactly like the retards who said the same shit when dora 2 was in beta

>>723319241
I bet he installs valve games to try and make money from cosmetic faggotry too

>>723319439
I doubt all the Dota 2 Russians are gonna leave for Deadlock

>>723319517
All they need to do is add cosmetics and give free drops that give you an average of a dollar per 10 hours played. The russian monkeys will swarm the game.

>>723319517
I fucking wish. It's a godsend to get a game without someone with a Cyrillic name playing haze that gets 70% of their damage with headshots.

>>723319395
>It does not have a broad appeal despite being #49 on steams most daily played
You people are delusional.

>>723319290
officially out I mean. Why are they treating the game like it's already a GAAS?

>>723319661
Do you realize how easy it is to reach the top 50 on steam? I could make a low effort asset flip right now and pay some streamer to stream it and it would reach top 50 for some time, it means nothing

>>723319767
No you couldn't faggot, otherwise you would have done so. If you get an indie game to top 50 you're a millionaire.

The worst people I know on steam all que together so that is all I need to know about this game

>>723319767
No you couldn't, or you would have done it and earned shitloads of money you retarded faggot

>>723319661
>despite being #49 on steams most daily played
It's not though

>>723314929 (OP)
game is so bad balanced made me question if icefrog ever did really work on dota or if most of dota was done by that league tranny faggot developer.

Flopping tranny deadcock.

>>723319871
>and earned shitloads of money
Anon said it's easy to get onto the top 50. Like Deadlock that probably entails not charging money for it.

>>723319767
holy fucking cope lmao

>>723318165
ARAM would be interesting because it's probably the most casual a MOBA generally gets
>>723318576
Guns can be significantly exploited, Sharpshooter can alleviate the damage falloff for maintaining distance but from what I've seen most players prefer to get close and personal, especially with something like Point Blank, and on-hit proc stuff like Tesla Bullets are a huge powerspike for characters with a high fire rate. Intensifying Magazine allows for some very oppressive lanes with characters that have sustained fire like Warden and McGinnis because it's cheap. They tried to patch it by adding some extreme item counterplays like Metal Skin (immunity to bullets altogether) and Plated Armor but then they added Capacitor (purges Metal Skin) as a direct upgrade to Tesla Bullets. But then again, it takes skill that you won't see most of the time which is part of what makes it a balancing nightmare, there are players that have near-perfect aiming and they win games left and right because of that but nerfing it to push those players in line will nerf it for everyone else, and the opposite for buffs.

This game WISHES it had half the cultural impact concord had

>>723315301
>20k people and 35k daily peak for a semi-closed alpha is now Concord levels? You're mental.
35k is pretty bad for a game that has 80% russian which means they will have bots 100, 1000 if not 10000 of bots running.

>>723319951
the cope is that all icefrog did for deadcock was the floating souls gimmick to make laning interesting and then he went back to dota because it was crashing without him

honestly I believe it because the 6 new heroes are all fucking awful and the original heroes are worse

>>723320045
Says the fucking loser coping with "top 50" lmao
Come back when you're in the top 5 like dota 2

>>723320119
>Icefrog is responsible for one of the worst mechanics in the game
I wouldn't be surprised

>>723320108
why would they have bots for a game with no drops or ranked mode

>>723319724
Because it already has tens of thousands of players. The 6 heroes and new map update brought in a lot of new players. They have events for the same reason any other game holds events.

>>723320108
it's not even a game yet. it's an alpha.

>>723320235
>why would they have bots for a game with no drops or ranked mode

Russians are that mental ill, don't ask. Just look at TF2 that game is the most botted game ever.

>>723319938
You're right it's 47 in the daily players and 65 for concurrent

>>723319661
Eurotruck Simulator is currently doing better than Deadlock. Would you say Eurotruck Simulator has a broad appeal?

>>723319951
none of the people who worked on dota and went to league of legends were working on dota when it was popular. it was a no name custom game until icefrog took over, 100% of the popular patches were after icefrog took over.

I dont want to deal with "towers"
I dont want to level up in a fucking shooter
I dont want to farm minions
I dont want my fun item setup to be held away from me until ive grinded enough goy points
I want to enter a lobby, and frag.
I want something like 24/7 harvest, or 24/7 hightower, or 24/7 icetown, or 24/7 office, i just want to frag, thats it.

>>723320316
>Why?
>Don't question my narrative, bro.

>>723320371
>it was a no name custom game until icefrog took over, 100% of the popular patches were after icefrog took over.

You're retarded, dota was always the most played costum game. Most of dota mechanic were done before icefrog came.

>company has braindead cultists
>instead of using this to their advantage, they make competitors to their own games to confuse the cultists

>>723320126
>It's easy to get top 50
>No it isn't retard
>Oh YEAH? WELL IT'S NOT TOP 5
Embarrassing series of posts

>>723320402
Then play a different game. Deadlock is a MOBA, it's clearly not the right genre for you.

>>723320046
Sharpshooter gives you like 12 meters additional falloff before you bullets become cotton candy, it's a nothing item. Aiming is easy in this game, it's a skill among others. If you play a aim hero and cant aim, you'll just go down in rank. Meanwhile even on low ranks you will get people who can aim, but they'll just have horrible game sense and can't leave.

>>723319140
Dota 2 didn't get a visual update for its official launch, they just announced it was officially out one day, and there was no player spike because no one cared: if you wanted to play, you were already.

And there's already cosmetics and Valve doesn't do achievements anymore.

>>723320472
>Then play a different game.
Isn't that just admitting defeat?

>>723320469
>It's easy to get top 50
>No
>Yes it is lmao, it's so easy to get top 50 that it's nothing to be proud of, come back when you're in the top 5
ESL or mentally retarded?

>>723318461
I figured it should go without saying that I meant traditional FPS games, not VR games. I thought Alyx was just okay.

>>723314929 (OP)
I really like it but this matchmaking is so rough, I do not feel like this is balanced when every match feels so lopsided, it’s stomp or be stomped, especially grating when the matches are 18-50 minutes
>someone quit but it was 10:05 so if you leave it’ll count as a loss :^)
In a bright red box when 5/6 of the enemy team just bails and the guy remaining is idle in spawn after getting his teeth kicked in to spite everyone else

>>723320412
can tell you never played dota Russian used to shit up costum games with their bots for no reason at all. Like they were so mental ill they just made, 10000 costum games.

No new maps ever gonna kill it for me

>>723317476
Go fuck yourself.

>>723320613
So this is a chestbeating tribe thing then? You actually think that someone not playing deadlock is a victory for whatever game you favor?

>>723320469
Every FOTM streamerslop game crosses top 50

>>723320653
Going to the Deadlock forums (not the steam ones) is a unique treat they are completely unusable and flooded with Russians demanding nonsense

>>723320343
Given that it beats gta V, rdr2, l4d2, cyberpunk 2077, tf2, Yu-Gi-Oh master duel then yes I would say it has broad appeal, or rather a very strong niche appeal which is the best a multiplayer game can hope for.

>>723320708
It's a "actually trying to argue your game is worth playing" thing.

>>723317170
>I CAN'T PLAY TPS ONLY FPS
Image being so basic

>>723314929 (OP)
Just played a game as Paige, it was a good game, we won.

But Mina started to try and ERP at the start of the match, why is it always Mina players?

>>723320402
I also dislike MOBAs. They’re anti-fun to me.
It’s like this really uncomfortable and unfulfilling blend of RTS and action games that doesn’t do either genre well enough to hold my interest. I get why it’s such a popular genre, though. Very addictive and enraging.

>>723320820
I truly don't care whether you play deadlock or not

>>723320846
Xe assumed you're a tranny too, since you both played female characters

>>723320843
I like TPS. I’ve played plenty of those, and I even tend to opt for it over first-person when games give me the option between the two. I just don’t like MOBAs.

>>723320537
Dota is a game that had hundreds of thousands concurrent players already, it was insanely popular for like 8 years before valve released the stand-alone version, it's not comparable to a new game

>>723320770
only a handful are still top 50 after a year

>>723320472
How about go fuck yourself. Theres no reason why a simple team deathmatch or free for all mode shouldnt be there, they have had a year to implement a playable gamemode and they havent. If your game involves shooting things in a multiplayer enviornment, you add FFA and TDM as the first game modes, once youve done that, THEN add the assembly line job game mode that you call "MOBA". I shouldnt need to explain this. How are you supposed to know the actual core gameplay is fun if you cant experience it in a more pure form?

>>723320425
you are a retard
you know dota was a lot of different maps all called dota until dota allstars, the one everyone actually played and thought was good, where it was literally an allstar cast of heroes from other dota maps.
dota was like angel arena where there was a gorillion different versions.
dota allstars ended up so good it pushed the others out.
the two people who went to riot games were a community manager who started the forums, never contributing to the game, and a dude who worked on an unpopular version of dota, who got recruited because the guys who made allstars weren't looking to develop a map long term. so what happens after that, not even a month later neichus and icefrog join the project, and despite guinsoo being in charge from getting left the map he doesn't do shit and doesn't even lead the project for 6 months before neichus and icefrog are left in charge.
neichus made most of the most iconic dota heroes before leaving the project and leaving icefrog in charge, the people who shaped and made dota what it is and what made is popular was neichus. not any of the bozos who worked on it for a few months while it was coming together.

>>723315990
>it's /v/, gotta be clickbaity
I don't get it. OP gets paid per post or what?

>>723320985
Deadonarrivalock will be lucky to have top 100 after a year

>>723321184
not at all, this website is full of lonely people. A (you), even negative, is the sole human interaction they got for the day

Alternate Calico skin... WHEN!?

What compels a person to get mad at a game that's still in alpha?
It's like choosing to live inside a house under construction and complaining that there's no roof, no heating, no furnitures, etc.
Seriously?

>>723321184
We’re outnumbered by people who actually think 4chan is an internet hate machine and have been for a while.

>>723320792
>or rather a very strong niche appeal
Bingo. And it's a question of how strong Deadlock's is going to be when a massive chunk of its target market is people playing Dota who aren't likely to leave it.

Wew trannies really bend themselves backwards playing defense for a mediocre game

>>723321252
I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to be critical of an alpha build. That’s what they’re for.

>>723320613
I'm just stating that based on what you dislike about Deadlock, it will never be a game you like. There will be towers, minions, leveling up, and buying items. Imagine going to a thread about Tetris and complaining that there isn't enough romance options. You should just play something else if this is what you want.

>>723320993
>Theres no reason why a simple team deathmatch or free for all mode shouldnt be there
I imagine that Deadlock being a MOBA first and foremost that is also in very early development is a pretty good reason for this. But there have been rumors about a cart pushing mode.
>If your game involves shooting things in a multiplayer enviornment, you add FFA and TDM as the first game modes, once youve done that, THEN add the assembly line job game mode that you call "MOBA".
But they (and by "they" I mean IceFrog, the creator of Dota) wanted to make a MOBA. What a deranged thing to say.

>>723321184
Valve shekeljeets get paid per post

>>723321251
I'm using this:
https://gamebanana.com/mods/620685

>>723321252
Tf2 players are super fucking mad that valve "abandoned" TF2 to work on deadlock

>>723321393
>It wasn't okay when concord did it
>It's okay when my internet daddy gayben does it
Holy kekmao

This seems like a game that could have been released ten years ago. Reminds me very strongly of Overwatch, Battleborn and Smite.

>>723321467
That's a model imported from Marvel Rivals anon. Its Storm.

>>723315962
>Drops down when people realize it's a unbalanced alpha filled with programmer art
I don't care about placeholder assets, but i realized into week of playing that tps moba is extremely exhausting even if i played mobas for decades
Especially since i burnt out of teammateslop games, you just lose your mental and energy for nothing
It made me reinstall tf2 though, having fun like i had in pre-trade update, it's nice to see people don't trade in community servers chat anymore

>>723321460
No, we aren’t. Maybe 100 retards on Reddit and 4chan are. TF2 is old enough to do porn now, and I am under no delusions that it needs to be updated until the sun burns out.
The only thing that really chapped my ass with how Valve handled TF2 in recent memory is how long they dragged their feet on getting rid of the almost inescapable spinbotting problem that went on for years.

>>723321341
Sorry I should've made it more clear. Constructive criticism is one thing, brainless whining at player counts like OP is another. I was talking more about the latter.

>>723320402
I can smell the casual from here. COD comes out in like 2 weeks; stay crusty until then, sweaty

>>723321357
But the anon's complaint makes sense from the perspective of someone who wanted a new multiplayer shooter from valve.

Why play a multiplayer shooter, or really any kind of multiplayer combat game if a significant proportion of the time is going to be spent not fighting other players. Isn't that the point? Saying "it's the point of assfaggots" is basically saying "it's supposed to be shit". How about explaining why a multiplayer genre would design itself to not be multiplayer a lot of the time? Why do it that way?

>>723321713
This game is literally made for casuals who can't handle dota 2

>>723321780
Deadlock is a hybrid moba, it isnt dota. Just play dota and be a nigger somewhere else

>>723321393
Are there mods that change all the nigresses into white women? I want that mod.

>>723321460
its a nearly 20yo game
get over it bro, be lucky you get updates at all

>>723321753
>Saying "it's the point of assfaggots" is basically saying "it's supposed to be shit". How about explaining why a multiplayer genre would design itself to not be multiplayer a lot of the time? Why do it that way?
I struggle to understand this design as well. It makes much more sense in a top-down MOBA to me since it’s basically a stripped-down RTS, but it isn’t remotely fun or interesting to me as it’s currently presented in Deadlock. Game just isn’t for me.

If the game had occasional time-limited resource gathering phases presented as a sort of arcadey horde shooter minigame, maybe I’d be into that.

>>723321913
Depends on your definition I suppose.

>>723321753
>why do it that way
Because icefrog is too incompetent as a programmer or designer to make inherently fun gameplay so he has to trick people into thinking what they are doing is fun by stringing them along with goy points and minions and level ups and other shit. Thats the real reason, MOBAfags will cope and say that im wrong though.

>>723321881
>casual filtered by the superior game

>>723322062
Holy fuckung kino.

>>723321617
It takes exactly one dedicated retard to shit up 4chan forever. Look at final fantasy threads

In my opinion it's just too much dumb shit crammed in. Game wants to be too technical upfront rather than focusing on being intuitive and letting players find the depth themselves.

Artifact had this problem too. Valve couldn't just trust making a good cardgame, they had to make it overly complicated right from the start and it failed to rope in an audience. I think Dota just broke Valve's mindset and proves they don't understand why people play those games.

The unacknowledged truth about Dota is that people started playing it because it was simple upfront. It was an easier, more chill game to play than WC3. All its complexity came later and was discovered intuitively. Valve doesn't fucking understand that. They'll never again capture that pure mix of fun, intuitiveness and hidden complexity that emerged about TF2 or CS.

>>723321881
>moba
>superior

>Make a game that solely caters to metafag autism
>ARGfags join thinking they're experiencing a hidden gem
>Everyone having a fun time trying to make sense of the game's systems
>Waifufags slither in and do everything but actually play the game
>Compfags barge in and shit it up with their sociopathy
>Metafags now have to deal with impatient sweats who insist they're always right
>Waifufags get what they want in the form of you-know-who, still refuse to play the game
>ARGfags leave because it turns out this is just a forever in development slop that will eventually become a rugpull
>All that's left are confused streamers, grifter e-celebs and compfags wondering why everyone else left

>>723321503
Deadlock is seriously what Dota 2 should have been. You have valve, primarily a shooter developer, back in early 2010s just decide to make a game using an RTS interface in a setting that just a complete rip-off of warcraft as a setting. Dota 2 and its spin-offs are by far the least-valvelike games valve ever made.

If you told me that valve were wanting to jump on the dota bandwagon back in the early 2010s Deadlock seems far more in line with what they would make. A movement based shooter, in a original setting that draws on classic america the same way tf2 did. It may have been Valve's first attempt at fantasy but it would have been what I would expect valve to make if they made a fantasy game.

>>723322534
>mixed moba mutt game
>superior

>>723316880
Top 5% isn't good. Top .1% is frankly where you can call yourself good in these games. 5% is just "I know how to play the game"

>>723322620
Deadlock could never have happened without Dota, it has so much of its dna in it.
And with how flexible the engine has been proven, I'm really locking forward to Deadlock custom maps. People have already loaded the entire Dota map into the game.

>>723321753
>Why do it that way?
Deadlock isn't a shooter with MOBA elements. It's a MOBA with shooter elements. IceFrog took Dota 2, changed camera to third person instead of top-down, added verticality, tweaked around a bunch of mechanics, and out came Deadlock.
I must say, this conversation is making me reflect. It reminds me of when I was complaining about Voices of the Void and a few other anons were defending it by saying that Arirals were always going to be there from the very start. In this conversation, I'm in the same role as the people I was arguing with back them. How peculiar.

>>723322594
>>ARGfags leave because it turns out this is just a forever in development slop that will eventually become a rugpull
What?

>>723323036
Introspection is supposed to be internal anon, the rest of do not care about your inner monologue.

>>723323036
>Deadlock isn't a shooter with MOBA elements. It's a MOBA with shooter elements
Imagine saying this unironically
I hope you're trolling

>>723322620
I agree wholeheartedly. I remember thinking this same thing back when DOTA 2 was announced. I thought it was pretty disingenuous of them to brand it as an actual sequel to DOTA.
>>723322792
Not even shitposting, I thought this was a Battleborn screenshot before I expanded it.

>>723321935
suck valves cock for putting in emporiumslop 3 times a year NOW. DO IT NOW NOW

>>723323215
nta but it is obviously a moba with shooter elements.
why else would there be so many melee mechanics and so many characters built around melee.
deadlock isn't even a shooter depending on who you pick, so how can it be a shooter first?

>>723323534
>why else would there be so many melee mechanics and so many characters built around melee.
Obviously you have never played overwatch or any of it's countless clones

I think they should have focused more on the shooting aspect and streamlined the other shit like the items. The movement feels great, the laning phase is peak, but then throw in all the moba shit and needing to build items around resistances and counterplaying enemy heroes and it gets out of hand way too quick. I don't want to dump hundreds more hours of my life in just to get gud enough to actually play.

>>723323605
what does overwatch have to do with it, the game isn't a shooter nor a hero shooter.
its a moba
obviously you have never played dota or any of its countless clones or this would be incredibly obviously to you.

>>723323671
The whole “hero shooter” genre is comprised of FPS games with MOBA mechanics.

>>723321241
It's already been a year, retard

>>723323671
>what does overwatch have to do with it
Everything with what you said, don't act like a retard when you dont even play videogames

>>723323649
I think it will be fine, remember when BR's got popular? I remember a lot of people complaining about how much more bullshit you need to do to even be able to play the games in the genre, so much inventory management, worrying about healing, looting, the constant pace of play over the long term, and the strategy differences from other shooters.
you will pick it up quite quickly and it wont really be an issue.

>>723323649
Dude, wanting to have fun is for casuals.

>>723323765
>I remember a lot of people complaining about how much more bullshit you need to do to even be able to play the games in the genre, so much inventory management, worrying about healing, looting, the constant pace of play over the long term, and the strategy differences from other shooters.
This is news to me, genuinely. That’s pretty funny.

>>723323739
what moba mechanics did it exactly borrow?
having abilities? are you trying to say no shooter before it had abilities you could use? because that's just false.

the only thing overwatch did "new" was having an ultimate you build charge for, which isn't a moba thing
they called themselves something else, reframed how you thought about it, but didn't actually do anything new.

there is no leveling, no items, you get all your abilities at the start, no neutral, normal fps gamemodes, what exactly makes it any different from any other fps?
overwatch didn't actually borrow moba mechanics, its just a shooter trying to tell you it is different and stand out.

deadlock is a moba that really did take shooter mechanics, and you want it to be a pure shooter because you don't actually like or want moba mechanics, but its a moba, first and foremost.

>>723323867
it wasn't like a super big complained about thing, but I remember how people talked about the new mechanics they were unfamiliar with and how it was phrased. you can just look at the level of skill and how people played BR's years ago vs in the modern day and its night and day.

>>723322792
>Умeниe
What a shitty way to translate "ability". "Cпocoбнocть" would make a lot more sense.

>>723323765
I don't neccessarily remember those complaints about BRs. I always found the premise kind of simple. People land and start scrounging asap and learn their routes just by playing

I dunno about Fortnite but BRs I've played don't need training modes to get good at them. Deadlock, however, you actually need to spend atleast some time in the sandbox testing things.

>>723324278
if you are a shooter player I can understand it
having played a lot of mobas everything in deadlock just feels normal and reasonable, I couldn't imagine what you wouldn't understand or need to work on.

>>723323605
deadlock is smite clone not an overwatch clone and has nothing to do with it.
obviously have never played smite and don't play the genre at all, bye bye we won't miss you.

>>723325078
I never said deadlock was an overwatch clone, you have the reading comprehension of a 4 year old

>>723324393
One issue is I feel like there's no time to assess things. I'm focused on shooting shit for every fraction of a second to get souls while needing to also be there for my team with eyes on the minimap. You can trust one of the community item builds, but the guides (which may or maynot be a meme build) are written by/for other obsessed players, and you're really just shooting yourself in the foot by trusting them when you're supposed to be building counter items so you can play around enemy heroes, and then also constantly check their items to counter THEIR items and do your role in the big team fight.

Maybe that stuff isn't too hard for mobas players, but my brain wants to focus more on the movement/shooting and less on the item builds and map timers. Its just too much shit. At this point it can't be walked back and I only see the game becoming even more strenuous to learn, not less.

>>723325078
>Implying smite was the first non-top-down moba
obviously you don't play the genre at all, bye bye we won't miss you.

>>723325078
>deadlock is smite clone
No it's not, Rajesh.

>>723320402
TF2 is right next door. Or Overwatch, if you are feeling fruity.

As someone who played alot of Dota gotta say Deadlock fixes alot of things I dislike about the gene
>you are not lock to your class, you can buy gun items if you want or go full spirit
>most of the cast needs to mix and match so roles are not cut dry
>last hitting feels fair and since souls are shared you don't get the faggot ass carry mad at you for stealing farm
>Items are straightforward
>the Sinners, crates and idols are a good thing
>you can party the tower so diving feels skill rewarding
>the games gives you all the info in terms of the damage you take
>all items are fix in tiers and cost a same inside each tier so no weird inconsistency
My biggest counterpoints are the fact most skills are just a form of grenade you chuck at the enemy and the lack of more unique guns and some dumb balance ideas (You can smell Hotpoo and Icefrog hand in this)

>>723320316
tf2 was botted by less than FIVE people who were just mentally unhinged.
what is the comparison here????

>>723316562
>valve defense force cultists
so... non-indians?

>>723325621
You tell me

>>723325542
I played mostly deadlock for the past year and tried to get back into dota around TI but having teammates "steal" your farm killed my motivation completely.
Made me realize how good deadlock has it

>>723323215
No, I mean it. It's pretty obvious, too. What makes you think otherwise?

>>723322683
No, you're not "good" unless you're the single best person in the game. Everyone else is bad.
>t. (you)

How do I git gud at lady geist

>>723322683
you are right, but only for something with as many players (and thus retards) as league

>>723326098
stack malice and shoot them in the face
don't fall for the bomb memes

More like DEADGAME lmao

>>723320613
you don't have to like every single game

>>723314929 (OP)
This game is just concord-coded shooterslop, valve can't make good games anymore

>same 9 heroes in every lobby because one of their spells does 800 flat damage with zero items 10 minutes into the game
some fucking skill based matchmaking draft u got there niggercultist

>>723326606
the reason you see the same heroes so often is that the hero pool is small for a 6v6

>>723326781
no its always literally the same

>>723326606
Shiv?

>>723326809
What 9 heroes then? I agree for a while it was generally always the new 6+the ever present Haze. But now people will play a lot of heroes. Plus Haze.

>>723323997
The way Overwatch employs its abilities is pretty clearly inspired by MOBAS. I don’t really see how you could argue otherwise.

>>723314929 (OP)
You might be completely retarded

>>723314929 (OP)
>games lasting 35+ minutes is not uncommon
>most of the match is just farming nonsense
>very high skill ceiling
Who has time for this shit anymore? The game feels like esport bait. It's a cool concept but I'm so tired of lanes and level scaling. The IP is really slick though so if they come up with a more direct pvp game mode I might be interested.

>>723327446
It's a game for unemployed people. With this said, games are shorter in higher ranks since people there know how to end them. You don't even need to go that far up.

>>723314929 (OP)
>DEIDLCK