Thread 723316953

Why does Delita turn on Ramza here? Ramza said nothing to aggro him. I don't get it.

>>723316953 (OP)
Its not specifically Ramza he wants to attack, though he DOES threaten him in his anger. He's angry at the family because his brother directly gave the order to shoot anyway even though Teta was in the way. It was this moment that Delita decided he couldn't trust anyone who was noble or had more authority than him. It's the catalyst for why he decides he can never be happy until he's the man at the very top.

>>723317058
But it makes no sense. Some guy Delita hates says Ramza, his friend, is using him, despite no evidence to support it. Delita immediately 180s and turns on his friend for reasons.

>>723316953 (OP)
The sand rat’s sietch is kicking my ass what level should I be?

>>723317658
He turns on everybody. He only truly cared about Teta. In the end he's just an angry peasant taking it out on innocent people to inflict as much pain on others as possible. Ramza should of put the dog down when he first tried to bite his hand.

>>723319017
While he’s not wrong for having the boat human and basic
>me and mine supersede you and yours
He’s just unfortunately, stupid

>>723317658
It does. He just watched Zalbaag order his sister's death. Dycedarg never intended to save her. Zalbaag never intended to save her. No matter what Barbabeth said, they were never family. What is he supposed to just wait for Ramza to decide to screw him over when it becomes convenient? Obviously we as players know Ramza would never harm Delita or Teitra but in his anger Delita saw all nobles as the same. And Argath twisting the knife just makes it worse

>>723316953 (OP)
He's furious at the nobility and the inequality of Ivalice and how it just got his little sister killed. In his blind rage he's including Ramza and the rest of his adoptive family in that. He'd probably have even shouted at Alma at this point.

So basically he's completely snapped. He never actually attacked Ramza though, and settles down a bit after he kills Algus. He was just really fucking mad at everything in the heat of the moment and didn't have the patience to reassure Ramza's vacillating whiny ass while his sister bled out

>>723317658
That wasn't in response to what Algus said. Delita does not care at all what Algus thinks right then. Delita is just angry. If anything, it's more along the lines of:
>Algus: You use Delita too
>Ramza: Aw gee that's not true. We're buddies, right, Delita?
>Delita: FUCK OFF!! I'LL KILL EVERYONE AAAAAAHHHH

>>723319017
Neither of them should have been there. They should have been selling flowers somewhere.

Still funny that he winds up all alone, good job Delita.

>>723320905
Heavy weigheth the crown forsooth alas and alack and so forth

>>723320862
Right, but in the same conversation and same response delita references a prior conversation where he supposedly told Ramza that he would never trust anyone again, and "that includes you, Ramza".

This conversation never happens. Was this cut content?

>>723321121
There was a funny retcon where they said she survived this but died from something else later on. Imagine how awkward dinner was between them the following day.

>>723320862
Barbaneth adopted them. He enrolled Delita into the knight's academy as a Squire. Even if you make the argument that Delita was a commoner with no control over his own destiny, it was a noble that put him there in the first place. Argath has always been full of shit especially when he himself comes from a disgraced family with no pull

>>723321517
>So we do need an heir. You feel in the mood tonight?

>....

>I'll just let you sleep then

>>723320905
The funniest part is that it was for nothing. At the end of the game, things didn't really change - only the names at the top.

>>723321669
We truly live in a society.

>>723321620
The Bitchless Hero King

>>723317658
Reason always takes the backseat during moments of high stress and emotion (like watching the brother of your childhood friend give the order to have your sister killed despite earlier posturing of being "like family") You're trying to consider reason in a scenario where there isn't any.

But even then, Delita is still right in his anger. It was Ramza's brother who gave the order, but it was also Ramza who chose to absolve himself of agency in the entire scenario. Ramza chose to sit by and wait like his brothers told him to when the true ideals of a knight that his father lived by should have pushed him to agency and act to save her immediately, and it was Ramza who chose to let Argath sit by despite the overabundance of red flags that showed that he was bad news. Even Ramza knew there was some level of blame on his shoulders, that's the reason why he left his house and the akadamy to live as a mercenary to begin with. Only when it was too late with Teitra dead and his friendship with Delita fractured (and also the belief that Delita is also dead at the start of the game) that he realized he did have agency in that scenario but chose not to act on it.

>>723321669
Delita's rule lead to the creation of assless chaps that secret agents of the Crown started using on their missions. The King said they reminded him of his old friend's clothing.

>>723316953 (OP)
dead incest wife

>>723321669
i always thought the point is trying to change the world alone vs trying to do what is important to you with overpowered teammates and lv99

>>723322114
Could Ramza's chocobo take on King Delita

Delita is a gay as fuck name

Billions must die?

>>723322227
so is yours lmao owned rekt assblasted nigger

>>723322259
Choco Meteor

how do you even develop a reflex to stab back a weak princess
delita can
>tank it
>parry it without harming ovelia
>dodge it
but no he just has to stab back.

>>723321446
I do not recall a conversation prior to Ft. Zeakden where Delita told Ramza that he didn't trust him.

The last heart-to-heart talk they had before chasing after Teta's kidnappers was the one at Mandalia Plains. Where Delita reflects on what Algus said about his birth and station. Then Ramza tries to reassure him saying that if he can do anything if he tries hard enough, but Delita brushes it off, knowing that's not how things really work. Regardless he still shares a close bond with Ramza, and they play the reed flute together like their dad taught them to.

But between their encounters with the Death Corps, Miluda's death, what Wiegraf said, and now Teta getting shot? It's definitely not about Ramza specifically right there, it's the whole world he's mad at.

>>723321535
Delita, in spite of being raised by the Sword Saint like his own child, was still little more than a glorified retainer to House Beoulve. And he knew that. At best he would always be Ramza's second, his own success or otherwise tied to Ramza's career.

>>723322756
Counter equipped. He had Blade Grasp but he thanks the stars he didn't have Hamedo equipped

>>723322756
He hated nobles, princess included. She was acceptably afraid/subordinate to him up throughout the game until the murder attempt. Then he just went auto hater mode.

>>723321669
>At the end of the game, things didn't really change - only the names at the top.
Is that so? I thought it was stated in the manual that Delita enacted reforms and lead Ivalice into an age of prosperity or some such. It gave me the impression that though Delita personally lost, the kingdom itself benefited greatly

>>723323071
If the seat of a king still remains and no utopia began, nothing changed. It matters not the King's name.

>>723321669
I wonder if Matsuno was Sartre enjoyer. He has a short political essay called The Mill that's basically the plot of FFT: a band of revolutionaries overthrow the government and in the stabilization process afterwards realize they've become just like the people they overthrew.

>>723323189
I don't know man, I just work here

>>723323303
One Agrias waifu please.

>>723323351
huh?

>>723323189
You hardly need to look at literature, revolutionaries becoming the oppressors is a common historical fact.

>>723322756
I always thought of it as being sort of half reflex and half deliberate action.

Delita's long term plan was to take advantage of the chaos and become the absolute ruler of Ivalice. But being King-consort by marriage to Ovelia isn't *quite* there. I believe that Delita DID love Ovelia by that point, so I think he was conflicted about carrying out his plans to the end. Removing that final thread of the Atkascha bloodline would cement his position entirely, but he kept hesitating.

Ovelia attacking him removed that hesitation just long enough but he immediately regretted it afterward

>>723316953 (OP)
Same feel?

>>723323146
yeah ok, loser

>>723323687
not even close

>>723323351
We're all out of Agrias. Would you like a Meliadoul instead?

>>723323903
elaborate

>>723323936
I dunno. Might just wait. Does she even come with sword beam?

>>723322759
I love Ramza but that conversation kind of highlights how naive to the point of being offensive Ramza is. "Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps bro." It does not matter how hard Delita tries or how many battles he wins or what a good boy he is. He was never going to gain the power to raise armies or change anything on a large scale just by trying really hard. Only Ramza can do that and that's because his last name is Beoulve. The fact Ramza had the gall to even say that shows how disconnected he was to Delita's plight.

>>723323071
i remember thinking that too, i think arazlam does talk about it
though does it even matter if we still have the whole nobility and royalty thing

>>723323687
For Delita, it wasn't about Ramza.

For Vyce it really was all about Denam.

>>723323687
the ultimate incel edgelord

>>723323990
NTA but Delita was a commoner broken by the truth of the world and he used that as a call to action to change his circumstances. Whether you see him as a hero or villain, what matters is his determination to stand alone if he has to in order to never again be a slave to people who won the birth lottery

Chaos Vyce is an incel who slaughtered innocent people for a promotion. Because he was jealous of Denam and he wanted to fuck his sister

>>723324254
>cucked by the nobility
>cucked by his friend
>lashes out at them/him
same feel

>>723324348
Vyce can't be a cuck because Catiua was never his in the first place

>>723324443
Catiua owes him sex

>>723324443
BSS nigga

When I knew gafgarion was going to turn on me I stripped him of all his stuff before the battle at the waterfall and killed him in one hit

>>723324651
It's valid play. His fault for not having emergency gear hidden away from you.

>>723324651
I knew to do that because it was suggested in a strategy guide I read forever ago

Tietra dies -> ... -> Ultima Killed

>>723324893
We could've had choco Ultima if Tietra has been the host

>>723316953 (OP)
too long winded. the psx version is of much more soul.

>>723323503
This. Look at the US today in 2025, it more closely resembles a communist/socialist fascist state than anything else. They are paying citizens and equipping them with military gear to go into homes and businesses to drag out other citizens and throw them in uhauls.

>>723324651
A little doodle from before half of /v/ was born. Ah I miss webrings..

>>723316953 (OP)
It's an empty threat. After the fight is over he just ignores him and goes straight to his sister. Years later, he talks to Ramza without any mention of this threat, until they meet way later at a church when Zalmo shows up.

>>723325005
In most cases I agree with this

>>723325983
Even then, it was nothing personal. He was just willing to fire Ramza like an arrow at the church and wasn't too worried about what would happen to him after. Dickish yes but not vindictive

>>723316953 (OP)
Because House Beoulve adopted a mad dog? It's like those Manhwas where a crazy duke see the protagonist being violent and crazy, thinks "I want this on my house" and then 10 chaptes later the guy is leaving having killed the whole house.

>>723316953 (OP)
He's a peasant at heart.

>>723326648
What more can we expect, from a commonkey

>>723323146
>there is no difference between living in germany and living in some village in Afrika or India

>>723324060
Thats literally spelled by the end of the first act.

Reminder that all of Delita's seething was for nothing because the nobles still rule by the time of Vagrant Story and the Church is still full of power-hungry retards as always.
Nothing changed and his impact on Ivalice was minimal.

>>723327209
>don't do anything because powerful men will just rape you anyway
What is Ivan doing in my FFT thread? Judging based on your special operation that was only supposed to take 2 days, but has spanned over a decade and failing - I'm gonna have to say this train of thought is wrong and only a dictator would push it out of frustration.

>>723316953 (OP)
>argath
not touching this shit

>>723317658
>why isn't this character who's loyalty was just betrayed and resulted in having to watch his only family member get murdered not thinking perfectly logically about the situation?
Gee, anon. Who fucking knows?

>>723316953 (OP)
This is what political brainrot does to people

>>723327987
delita is an incel?

>>723328124
I think you have brainrot sis

>>723328208
I do. I voted for Trump 3 times.

>>723327209
>if you don’t get everything you want, it’s better to not even try and just accept the boot
Fuck off, Sergei.

>>723326817
ew a crestfallen

>>723327209
I just got done reading a historical fiction VN where the plucky rebels overthrow an evil ruler at the end. But it hits different knowing that their success lasts all of a year and then things get even worse for everyone.
It's pretty good peasanty-famine stuff, The Hungry Lamb.

>>723327401
>>723328297
>becomes mmo slop anyways

>>723329447
Final Fantasy Tactics released and died in 1997. Capitalist slop is not canon

>>723329447
That is some fuckin fanfiction tier writing, holy shit

It's incredible how dogshit everything Ivalice-related turned out past the initial games
Not even the same tone

>>723330592
Sounds like FF7

>>723329447
>HELLO RAMZA BEOLVE FROM FINAL FANTASY TACTICS (1997)
>HELLO DELITA HEIRAL FROM FINAL FANTASY TACTICS (1997)
holy fuck someone please stop squeenix

>>723316953 (OP)
>aggro

>>723330592
Even FFT:A was shit. It's a shame they didn't immediately hit the ground running with a second game. Just like with bands, the product is a sum of all parts including the time period. An IP or franchise is more or less meaningless especially as it becomes a ship of theseus. If the creator(s) don't strike while the iron is hot, they may as well just do something new or nothing at all in many cases.

>>723316953 (OP)
His sister just died, give him a break

>>723328974
Who cares about China, MC made it through alright.

>>723331361
You think an autist would process any of that?

>>723330923
>>723330398
>>723329631
>>723330326
MMO'd

>>723331593
>>723329447
>>723330326
jesus christ how horrifying

>>723330398
Literally reminds me of something Chris Chan would write in his comics

>>723331593
deviantart is still around?

>>723330398
Yes congratulations you understood the point. The Ivalice story told in XIV has zero direct connection to the story of FFT. It was just fan service and an excuse to have T.G Cid add to his kill count.

>>723332081
yes congratulations you responded to a post with the same manner

>>723325005
what did he say in the original?

>>723322756
in wotl agrias hands her the knife in front of delita

>it's still not cracked
pirate bros...we lost...

>>723330398
The worst fanfics are the official ones

did they keep the "animals have no god" line for algus?
the script is the only thing keeping me from buying this bitch

>>723330923
kek

>>723316953 (OP)
Delita is brown. Ramza is white.
What's not to get?

>>723333076
no

>>723333267
Delita has a farmer's tan, realistically Ramza would have swarthed up after a few hundred hours of spamming yell outside

>>723316953 (OP)
Delita turns on the status quo, Ramza as part of the noble class is representative of the status quo and therefore is now a target

If Delita was supposed to manage all he did on his own, it would have helped if he wasn't practically worthless even when he gets Holy Knight skills. The dude spends every fight dead.

>>723329447
Why is Worker 8 a ghost?

>>723334996
Because nothing quite rapes IP and lore like capitalism

>>723333076
yes

>>723324145
Vice is technically two different characters

>>723333267
I always found it kind of weird that his sprite makes him look brown but his official art makes him look paler, like the art direction wasn't sure what to make of him visually

>>723336929
So you're saying the ingame sprite in a FF game doesn't resemble the official art?

>>723337254
nta but yes, compare to OP

>>723337385
I can just post this too

>>723337385
>>723337457

>>723337521
everyone else matches

>>723316953 (OP)
Because he's a subhuman, as Argath stated multiple times by that point.

>>723337742
What's that, Argie? Can't hear your with all that snow you are swallowing

>>723337742
that's just argus's schizo ramblings

>>723333267
>Delita becomes the ruler of the entire kingdom, bringing in a new Golden Age after the period of chaos and greed
So true

>>723321121
I could have saved her

>>723327209
>thousands of years have passed
>technology and culture hasn't evolved at all
why is every fantasy setting like this

>>723325330
kek, just did this part yesterday

>>723338314
It probably doesn't help they have magical cataclysms every handful of decades and that one singular dude gets to walk around with mass murder magical weaponry, to be fair.

How often should I be swiping skills from enemy crystals vs. just buying them?

delight-uh

>>723338314
Because the existence of magic and actual Gods makes technological advancement optional.
No need to invent fertilizer or advanced farm equipment when you can hire a geomancer to make sure there's a bumper crop every harvest or tame some Marlboros and Dryads to tend the crops
The only reason to fuck with technology is as a novelty like the goug machinists because there's nothing tech can do that magic can't
and that's not even counting the fact that the church would suppress that kind of shit to stay in power

>>723339051
You can get thousands of JP worth of skills from a single crystal in TIC, enough said

>>723339135
>No need to invent fertilizer or advanced farm equipment when you can hire a geomancer to make sure there's a bumper crop every harvest or tame some Marlboros and Dryads to tend the crops
yet the same logic NEVER applies to medicine in these worlds.

>>723339245
>medicine
anon that's just water that some white mage put magic into

>>723330398
those quests were actually written by Matsuno

>>723325330
>>723338587
idgi

>>723339318
>white mage (F) bathwater
I'll take 50

>>723340661
>FF12 doesn't have job outfits
such a waste
I wanted to see ashe's sexy silhouette in a white mage robe

>>723341529
Sounds like X-2

>>723341712
I fail to see the white mage robe.

>decide to teach orlandeau samurai skills
>remember this rare battle exists
yep it's crystal eating time

>>723325058
Illegals are by definition, not citizens.

>>723342238
HE'S SURROUNDED BY GHOSTS

RUN

>>723339839
Huh really? Even without that knowledge, I still liked 14 Tactics stuff.

>>723342569
>implying they only go after illegals
cute

>>723342874
that's true tho

>>723342797
matsuno also wrote the best content in the shit pile that was shadowbringers.

>>723342874
What's wrong pablo? Afraid?
Good.

>>723340479
You can strip off Gafgarion's equipment before you lose control of him and when you fight him he'll be naked

>>723343065
why would I? Im thankfully not living in the shithole that is the US lol
I was born in a real first world country.

>>723343373
>Thirdie living in yurop think he's first world
Know your place, trash.

>>723342948
I'll be honest, haven't played 14 myself, just checked out videos here and there about the Primals, the Tactics stuff and when a new job drops, so I can't personally judge the story of it.

>>723343541
yes, my place is above you thirdies :)

>>723343764
Your place is gonna be Pakistan 2.0 in a generation.

>>723343824
yours already is :)

>>723337989
Historical revisionism. Ivalice becomes the fantasy equivalent of Mali

>generic /pol/jabber
Anyway, it kind of seems like they slightly merged, and slightly altered some of Beowulf and Reis's backstory that was WoTL-only (that 2nd sidequest where you found out more of Reis's dragon curse)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDxuRa5s0yQ

>>723316953 (OP)
Delita is a bad person and ruins everything and makes himself miserable, that's like half the point of the plot.

>>723342569
They're taking more citizens than illegals

>>723344316
Delita is good.
He should have been the protagonist.

>>723344501
Do you know what happens at the end of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?

>>723317658
>>723316953 (OP)
woman moment

>>723316953 (OP)
Ramza even says he didn't try hard enough to save Tietra, Chapter 1 is Ramza just being naive and bewildered that the poors don't trust a Beoulve

>>723344664
>Betray and backstab everyone
>Kill your wife
>End up as a miserable wreck
>Hundreds of years in the future the truth is uncovered and now everyone knows that Ramza was the true hero and you were a total shitdick, forever immortalized in history as trash
>Good

>>723316953 (OP)
I do not remember this from the original game. Anymore fanfiction added to this demake?

>>723344862
>Believing fan fiction penned by a heretic that was burned at the stake

>>723344906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDxuRa5s0yQ
Every single unique unit has special dialogue in some fights.

>>723344795
That's just Ramza being too hard on himself. Unless he meant he should have grinded in Mandalia Plains until he hit 99 and mastered every job before going there.

Delita did nothing wrong. He pulled himself up by the bootstraps since he wasn't a nepobaby with a free army like Ramza and Ramza was too slow and dimwitted at the start of the game to be of any use.
Sure things didn't turn out perfect for him but that wasn't the point. And none of this would have happened if nobility held up their end of the social pact. Simple as.
Anyway, look at this picture.

>>723344981
Unfortunately for you, it's canon that it was true and everyone believed it. Delita will never fuck you.

>>723345060
No, he's kinda' right, in Ch 2 onwards he did what he should have done and finally starts making a difference by turning his back on his House. I really hope he becomes more people's favourite FF protagonist off the back of this version

>>723320862
Algus' lines in that fight were fucking truth nukes

>>723317734
level 8 or so, get hi-potion for your chemists

Instead of grinding 500,000 gil to get the Tynar Rough in War of the Lions I should be able to throw 500,000 gil at Gaffgarion the BLACK BVLL to recruit him

>>723323687
This part is where TO lost me completely

what's the consensus on this character

>>723345438
ZR erotic

>>723325005
>>723332434
No one knows because all anyone ever talks about when they moan about the WOTL script is the 'blame yourself or God' line

>>723345190
Nobility was literally overrun by demons thoughbeit and he was too retarded to notice the death cult he was fueling.
If Ramzan plus other nobles did not go clear those demons, Delitas nonsense would have ended the world.

>>723345438
consensus?
shes barely a character

>>723345438
"Who? - The character

>>723345438
I only recently learned that she's with Oran at the grave in ending. Thought Delita killed her for a decade+.

>>723345438
that's samus

>>723324145
I can't really take the story seriously when his character radically shifts depending on what you do at that part, which in itself was a huge logical leap for me

>>723345036
I've been enjoying this whilst using Agrias, Iencourage more people to try a non generics run at some point the guest characters are super OP so its pretty easy

>>723344237
Yeah I don't think I care for any of the new dialogue. At best it's a bunch of nothing that takes you out of the fight when they want to give their backstory during what's supposed to be trying to kill each other. I much prefer new event cutscenes and new battles.

>>723345524
That's not Delita's fault and its proof of yet another institutional failure
Delita worked with what he had: his own two hands and a peasant brain full of class hatred
He did a good job all things considered, a lot of rebels throughout history weren't so magnanimous once they attained power

>>723345438
she is largely cut content, she has a special class on psx and a description.
and is only fightable in the superboss 10 floor rendevous mission in wotl

Drop fun builds

>>723345901
>she is largely cut content, she has a special class on psx and a description.
Thanks to my time scouring wikis back in the day I think it's weird how many oddball job classes there are under the hood

I always liked the touch that Algus had fallen as low as a noble could fall because he'd inherited dishonor and the brute privilege of his class was basically his only asset, which is ultimately why he acts the way he does. Without that he'd be entirely a cartoon.

>>723345889
Nnnno it just goes to show he did not care about anything but his goals, was a retard willing to look the other way so long as the suffering did not splash over him and just threw Ramza at whatever problems he was too stupid to understand then hoped they'd solve themselves. Exactly like any noble of the kind he hated so much would do. Which is the point of the whole thing.
Nobility is in the person, not in their breed, and he had none left in him the moment he let grief wars take over his whole life and personality.

>>723342238
remember you have to unlock the class first

>>723323146
Fuck off, Wiegraf

>>723346156
>and just threw Ramza at whatever problems he was too stupid to understand then hoped they'd solve themselves
Nothing wrong with this though, everyone does what they can because they cannot do everything. Especially Delita who climbed out of dirt.
And no he wasn't just like the nobles he was trying to defeat, the problem with the nobles wasn't that they were backstabbing cunts, it was that they couldn't even maintain the fucking kingdom. And they weren't even that good at being backstabbing cunts either since a FUCKING PEASANT beat them at that too.
Ramza was too pure and goodly to deal with the gritty ugly human side of things, it was best he went off chasing demons and disappeared from history

>>723346509
>the problem with the nobles wasn't that they were backstabbing cunts
how was that not the problem

What makes Orlandeu so good anyway? Is he still theb est unit in the WOTL PSP balancing?

>>723346219
DRAW YOUR SWORD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToBI3Q2Fd1s
Why the hell was this unused?

>>723346664
holy swordsman skills are really good (hallowed bolt and a 100% life drain)
he gets to equip the best stuff
he gets the best hidden multipliers in his exclusive class

in my experience he joins at a high level but I never figured out the exact mechanics of that. All my original generics are unusably low level by the time I hit that chapter unless they're in a hyper overpowered setup like calculator.

>>723323687
I really wanted to love TO, but holy shit did that game suck. Lawful path is the only real route. The other 2 routes are fanfics that should've never seen the light of day.

>>723345036
>>723344906
It's absolutely there, you just don't recognize it because it's been translated to Renfaire speak. The original is
>Leave me, Ramza! After Algus, you're next!
That second line is added extrapolation, sure, because the script writers don't want illiterate players to miss that this is the moment Delita gets radicalized into being a lying, manipulating, using, noble killer. Most of the script additions in IC are heavy-handed like that.

>>723345190
he was a bit of a nepobabby he wouldnt have gotten anywhere if he wasnt taken in by ramzas dad

>>723346895
Guess I'll try him but it'll be hard to make me enjoy a character more than Agrias

>>723346509
>It's good that I had my former best friend chased from the country

>>723346571
You can engage in a little court intrigue without dooming the entire society. The point at which they completely disregard the condition of their nation over their own personal corruption is when ambitious hardened peasants/barbarians come in as the historical antidote

>>723345438
Uninteresting non-character, like everyone in Matsuno games.

Why the fuck didn't they just pay the Knights who fought in the 50 year war,

Is there any explanation anywhere for what happens to the rest of your army besides ramza and alma? Not just in IC or even the games even like a tweet or some stupid shit

>>723346664
>What makes Orlandeu so good anyway?
It's a couple of things
>2nd-best stat growths in the game in his unique class
>Shadowblade keeps his HP real high thanks to the life drain
>Holy Sword abilities are often AoE, have good secondary effects, and are physical-based, which as a male unit means he benefits greatly
>Divine Knight abilities allow him to easy disarm other units
>Technically not exclusive but he joins with Excalibur, e.g. auto-Haste in a game where speed is king
>Always joins a few levels higher than your party's average

>>723345967
Mystic/Thief
Distribute
Doublehand/Swiftspell
Lifefont

Built for high MA and defense
Spam Steal Heart
Silence and steal MP from mages
Poke people for decent damage from afar
Put enemies to sleep
Turn enemies to stone

>>723347221
all their money was tied up in x-potions

>>723345967
Brawler Ninja
Dodge tank Crossbow Archer
No pantsu female Geomancer

>>723347228
they all died at the end

sorry, anon

>>723346775
This is good.

>>723316953 (OP)
Delita turned on everyone the moment he was born.
Bitch deserves ass meteors

>>723327209
VS wasnt meant to be in the same world as FFT. Those were references not serious attempts to connect the two stories, SE only decided later that it was part of the Ivalice Alliance thing.

>>723347261
doublehand rods are more than decent
that said whenever I try something cute with mystics I just end up spamming disable, which is effectively just as good as a death spell and not too hard to get to 90%+ on neutral zodiac.

>>723317658
Plot has to happen, please understandu

>>723347221
This happened so much throughout history (including the American Revolution) it's honestly kind of hilarious
But its because decadent aristocrats are assholes and don't want to pay, simple as

>>723347261
Damn have I been underestimating Thief

>>723347292
>Brawler Ninja
better than doublehand Monk?

Is there a mod that removes katana breaking completely yet, it's such a stupid mechanic. I know they did reduce the chance but it shouldn't even exist, especially when TIC has mid battle autosaves because all it means is i'm going to reload the turn.

>>723345756
>try a non generics run at some point the guest characters are super OP so its pretty easy

I'm just about to start this, solo Ramza (with guests) should be pretty fun until I get the unique party members. On the playthrough I just did I was way too attached to my 4 generics that I barely even touched the unique characters

>>723347505
better speed, better equipment options, yeah

>>723329447
IIRC Matsuno worked on this expansion in one way or another but the uncanny translation of the designs into FF14s artstyle and the writing filtered through some shitty localizer really make this feel like some fanfiction marvel-esque 'epic' moment.

>>723347412
Disable is also good yes. It just isn't permanent like silence. You have a ton of options for dismantling opposing strategies with this. Could even try stealing someone's weapon after putting them to sleep to pacify them.

>>723347505
Ninja is better because faster, and can acutally equip a hat unlike Monk

>>723347505
better speed, better movement, and you can wear hats that buff PA - although with ribbons being unisex now and practically an autoinclude for everyone, that advantage there has narrowed a little.

>>723347505
Martial Arts is a better skill than Throw but Ninja just has way better speed and gear options

>>723347221
>Why the fuck didn't they just pay the Knights who fought in the 50 year war,
>People in power when someone tells them to pay what they owe.
>LOL LMAO beat them until they leave.

>>723347548
>Matsuno
People need to stop worshipping this guy

>>723345967
Ninja/Thief Maxxing so that I can yell at my Dancer sluts to work faster

>>723347570
is enemy status that big a problem in FFT, damage is so high it rarely seems relevant

>>723347439
steal heart is incredibly strong, especially on a female unit, and high speed growth is never a bad thing
stealing weapons also neutralizes most units and there are a lot of goodies you can get earlier than normal off of random dudes

Is Bard shit? He always misses his songs

>>723317058
Nobles Bad is the zenith of japanese writing

>>723347752
yes hes only good for move 3 also bards/dancers have some of the worst stat growth iirc

>>723347673
They can be. Lots of monsters have status effect attacks and a lot of bosses have annoying ass sword skills with shit like stop or disable built in, not to mention the fucking lucavi

>>723345438
Probably got her scenario cut

>>723347532
I hear Cloud is buffed in this version? Is that true?

>>723347752
If you want to kill shit fast yes. If you want to slowly accumulate advantage until victory is guaranteed no. They are meant for a more defensive teams that like to take their time.

>>723316953 (OP)
>loses his imouto
>Ramza gets to bang his own imouto who is possessed by fallen angel dommy mommy for eternity
I'd be mad too

>>723347816
he comes a few maps earlier, starts with a materia blade, they doubled all his charge speeds, and he has a good 100% accurate status attack for tactician

>>723347221
>The rich paying money they owe to lower classes
That doesnt even happen today

>>723347908
Hmmm, good but I'm not sure he's still worth using

>>723347805
>also bards/dancers have some of the worst stat growth iirc
this is not a bad thing really, it lets you make super dudes with level down/level up shenanigans

>>723347221
history is one long, rhyming story about living in a society

>>723347908
>they doubled all his charge speeds
The charge buff in this version has made casters absolutely broken in this version, what were they thinking

>>723337385
He's just Italian

>>723347221
Why didn't the Senate just pay the German mercenaries?

Instead of all these remasters, how about we get an alt-history scenario where Tia doesn't get raped in every hole by bandits and then Argath'd

>>723347221
L i t t l e m o n e y

>>723347749
~50% steal heart just seems like such a random thing to depend on. You can get disable or sleep to hit almost every time.

Nothing is more fun in this game than a Dragoon with max jump range, literally a human nuke

>>723348163
how about we get anything at all

it's been 52,000 years since fft came out and still nothing

ffta sucks and doesn't count

>>723348221
If you're going to oraclemaxx why wouldn't you use Beo?

>>723345479
It's odd that they didn't use "blame yourself or God" line because in chapter 2 going forward, they keep using the lord's name in vain. Even mocking other characters in believing in a God.
I guess they had to make adjustments since the censors only played the first hour of the game and went from there.

>>723348342
Cause not everyone is a faggot

>>723348342
that too, but you can have mystics with JP cheap shit like sleep and disable super early in the game

>>723348418
It's funny because I roll my eyes whenever anyone moans about the WOTL script and then still only ever talk about that one line because they don't know any others, but I hate the version used in this one now so I guess the cycle continues.

>>723347228
IC makes it canon that they all survive becase Ramza makes a wish on the Stones to get them out.
If you believe in authorial fiat, it was always the case that everyone survived.

>>723316953 (OP)
Delita knows Argath was right, Ramza is just too much of a stupid fuck boy to get it for himself

Isn't this the series with the pizza cutter swords?

I really fucking wish they just let me use the PSX graphics in enhanced, why force me to use the inferior graphics if I want the QOL, UI and balance changes

>>723348163
link to source?

>>723346043
FFTA is also fucking insane like that
Like every single kid in the tutorial snowball fight has a separate class

>>723348221
Charm is way more destructive than those. No cast times, no MP cost, lasts more than disable and faith doesn't matter.
It's a really nice thing to have as an option.

>>723322086
this nigga riskbreaks

>>723348683
blackrabbits, check the usual places

>>723348557
The new translation is really well done, but can be really wordy at times. Too many times do characters lecture Ramza on how shitty it is being a poorfag, going on and on about "you'll never understand our pain! The hell we went through! We've gone through--" etc etc.
The first time around the conversation made sense. But being told the exact same thing the 4th time from random NPC during a forced story battle? Nah, I'm good.

>>723346664
He's the thunder god.

>>723348658
That's Tactics Advance which technically isn't even a real Ivalice game because it's some Narnia Isekai bullshit
Any serious FFTchad disavows it and denounces judges

>>723348557
>I hate the version used in this one now so I guess the cycle continues
It's just 99% the WotL script plus some minor edits and a few new additions. This wincer is still in there, for example.

>>723346664
the story was written by Orran so he and his dad are both overpowered as fuck

>>723349171
How is Rapha, I did her introductory fight last night and she threw like 5 sanskrit runes at a Ninja and demolished him

>>723347816
Limit was always good, but it's just busted now.

>knight/orator carry
>rend enemy power and speed down to 1
>rend jp/xp farmers' power down to 1
>berserk them all, set carry ai to flee and afk
Is this the easiest to setup automated farming loop? I've seen some with everyone frogged as well, but i dont see what that contributes when they're already hitting for 1 here.

>>723349341
are the animations still shit

>>723348557
Eh. I couldn't quote any new lines either. Just the general feel is off. Everything reads like a shitty play. I don't know how anyone can stomach it.
Couldn't get past chapter 2 without modding it out.
The absence of a meme line isn't a genuine complaint.

>>723349314
she has one really good use.

The rest of the Beoulves were pretty manly, why was Ramza such a twink?

>>723349104
hehe, succ

>>723349543
Different womb

>>723346664
A lot of games make you work for the strongest character and skills.
Orlandeu is just handed to you for free strong as hell right out of the box.
The only thing he needs is Move+2 and thief hat and he's more powerful than that generic unit you stuck through with and trained for the last 30 hours.

It's taking all I am to resit starting up FF12 after this

>>723349536
It's wild that Malak knew about this and did nothing

>>723349104
Funny thing is they literally included the PS1 original and then ruined it by adding the WOTL script to it, making it some weird midway version that I'm not sure is aimed at anyone

>>723349314
her ability's damage scales off both her faith and the target's faith and hits random tiles in the area of effect so it's really easy for her to whiff a ton of damage when rng decides to fuck you
her brother is the same but has inverse faith scaling and starts with the goku rod so he can inflict atheist on dudes to guarantee low faith

>>723349632
He was probably used in the same way.
>>723349314
Fairly bad. You can do some dumbshit with her and Malak, but they're the easiest instance of not using special classes on special characters.

>Going through my screenshots
>See this shit sequentially

I laughed

Turning everything into Chickens as Beo is more fun than anything Cid can do

>>723349485
Mayhap you forget, ser, that a historical period piece must needs employ anachronistic styles of speech.

>>723349947
I hate Mustadio, his stupid name, his stupid clothes, his stupid hair

>>723349928
It's kinda' weird that the shitty summons in FF12 are major antagonists here

>>723349449
they're the same across the board. if you hated them then, you'll hate them now.

>>723338314
Because otherwise you lose the aesthetic.

Mustadio is based

>>723316953 (OP)
>looking for humanistic character motivations in a shounen anime
You're gonna have a real frustrating time.

>>723338314
>>723350120
I mean, it went backwards in Ivalice's case, the mechs that Mustadio talks about are all from FF12

>>723329447
>>723329631
>>723330398
It was all written my Matsuno.

Honestly, his writing for XIV is fucking garbage though, his work on Bozja was the worst story in the entire fucking game, with every one of his indulgent quirks because he can't fucking help himself.

It's the point where I said "Okay, this guy's lost anything he once had." And I've never again been interested in a Matsuno project. That feeling has yet to steer me wrong, because he hasn't done anything good for decades.

>>723350323
FFT was either a total fluke or other people on his team are responsible for it not ending up garbage, that's something people need to come to terms with.

>>723350475
No because FF12 was also great

>The Knights Templar were apparently planning to mass-produce auracite and distribute them to the downtrodden masses as some sort of People's Revolution against the noblity
Can we talk about how Ivalice Chronicles sort of snuck this plot point in out of nowhere? And keep in mind, this dialogue requires you to bring Rapha AND Marach to the Hashmal battle to even see it. What were they thinking?

>>723350637
This is said multiple times by other characters in battle dialogue I knew about this with only monsters

From a pure gameplay perspective is the GBA FFT way more flexible and varied in what builds you can make?

>>723350582
i mean it's alright

>>723350475
bought FFXII day one and to this day I never bothered to finish it despite repeated attempts
I cannot understand why it is so fucking impossible to make more games like FFT, its like he tries everything to get away from it

>>723347221
>>723347437
It's actually pretty hillarious how often it crops up. Like

>Reading about the Spanish Armada and how the English completely decimated it
>Turns out there was an English counter Armada sent to Spain in response
>Have never even heard about this, look into it
>An even worse disaster, lost even more ships, more men and gained nothing
>But England had the best propoganda corps in the world
>So the nobles, the military and the Queen all spun it as a victory
>To pay for their staggering losses they just didn't pay any of the soldiers

Perfect example of why the quote "History is written by the winners" and "History is written by the historians" are both wrong. "History is written by whoever has the best propoganda" seems about right. The idea of the Spanish Armada still exists in our collective consciousness today, but I have never even heard of the English Armada, nor that it was a catastrophic failure.

>>723350582
FF12 sucked ass. Not so much the plot, but the game, the plot was spaced between so much boring fucking world design and gameplay I hardly got to enjoy it.
>>723350773
I bought FF12 day one and while I ended up hating it, I DID beat it. When I went and played the DQ8 demo that came with it on a whim I fell in love though, so I'm still glad I bought that shit.

>>723350753
I think it's highly underrated, at least story wise

>>723348576
I stand by my stance that Matsuno hasn't made anything good since Vagrant Story.

>>723350897
didn't dq8 come with an ff12 demo and not the other way around

>>723350740
>multiple times
This is the only instance I know about that isn't missable. I'd love to know about the other ones too.
Still a brand new plot point AFAIK.

>>723350995
begging for the remaster of this that actually tutorializes the element/type mechanic properly so i know why im not doing damage

>>723351046
No, FF12 came with a DQ8 demo. I still have the case and the discs.

>>723346904
As if the author intended this.

>>723316953 (OP)
peasant low born moment

>>723350475
Vagrant Story was pretty okay. It wasn't great but it was ambitious and interesting and (surprisingly) it was less indulgent with the kind of nonsense tropes he likes. It all turned into EVIL CHURCH and Demons at the end, since that's the only way he has ever known to escalate a conflict in every one of his stories, but yeah, it was pretty okay.

I'd really struggle to think of anything else he's done since that's even partially good. Lemme check his works to verify that.

FFTA: Maybe the exception, this was fun. He didn't write it though.
FF12: Garbage.
MadWorld: Didn't play, did anyone play?
TO-LUCT: I didn't play this, maybe this is an exception, people seem to love TO.
Crimson Shroud: Didn't play, did anyone play?
Terra Battle: Didn't play, did anyone play?
Lost Order: Didn't play, did anyone play?
XIV-Return To Ivalice: Nothing but "Memberberries" and a retcon happy ending for FFT. Mediocre at best
XIV-Bozja: The worst storyline in the entire game. Fucking awful.

>>723346904
Unless someone convinces me TO has any interesting depth to the combat I'll add the gameplay is shit as well, no interesting class stuff like in FFT, both sides have way too many units and the enemy starts rolling with like 3 clerics so one map lasts way too long.

>>723351065
Seems like gay shit to try to tie it back into the Ivalice Alliance. Since there weren't anywhere near enough holy stones for them to be the macguffin material in those other games, just retcon that they were gonna make some.

>>723351046
>>723351130
Actually, you're right, I went and dug up the cases and it turns out what happened is that I bought DQ8 for the FF12 demo and ended up enjoy it more, while I got the FF12 Collector's Edition (hoping the full thing would be more fun) but ended up hating it. Funny how memories get twisted like that.

>>723351130
my ff12 didn't come with a dq8 demo

are you telling me i got ripped off

>>723351821
Sorry anon, you just missed my reply >>723351802

>>723351667
FF12 story at least does something interesting with the tropes, it's like the only FF other than 6 I guess where the villains are beaten and still acheive their goal

>>723317658
Nigger, the game explicitly shows you him going through existential moral issues about him helping nobles chase down peasants and whether he was on the "right side" of everything that was happening.
Him seeing his sister get shot by the most pompous noble broke him.
He was distressed, pissed, and grieving. That's often what people do in those situations, they lash out even at friends and family who are trying to help. It's not rational, but that's partly the point. He's being driven by emotions.
The fact Delita is later happy to see Ramza again shows that he doesn't actually hate him.
Holy fuck /v/ are full of autists

>>723350582
Matsuno also quit production on FF12 halfway through. He had a nervous breakdown and resigned from Square Enix. So if you think FF12 was good, that actually reinforces >>723350475's point.

>>723351667
>Crimson Shroud: Didn't play, did anyone play?
one of my favourite DS games, it's just a little DnD style RPG and it's great

>>723351992
How does that excuse him mistreating and using Ramza later until the point where he lets him get chased out of the kingdom to a life of exile and misery?

>>723317658
Both Delita and Ramza were having near mental fucking breakdowns at the end of that
Genuinely if they just calmed the hell down overnight all of FFT could've been averted

>>723349632
>It's wild that Malak knew about this and did nothing
Oh he did something alright.

>>723352102
I don't think Ramza was too bothered by being branded a heretic and being houseless. He stuck to his beliefs, and got what he wanted peace for Ivalice and his sister back.

>>723352371
>>723352102
>How does that excuse him mistreating and using Ramza later until the point where he lets him get chased out of the kingdom to a life of exile and misery?
We're talking about Delita, dickrider.

>>723351770
auracite is produced directly by ultima in ffxiv's non-canon version of the setting, can't help but wonder if there's some influence coming from there with anything they've changed.

what the fuck was his problem

>>723324060
Except Ramza faces nothing but an uphill battle the entire way and is branded as a heretic and pursued by literally everyone, did you fucking forget the second half of the game? He achieves absolutely nothing and spins his wheels despite his special blood and name. Everyone just begins shitting on him calling him a halfblood bastard because he's not bending to their will. Ramza actually pulled himself up from nothing, selflessly, for all of mankind, and with humility. Delita did the opposite, and even he pulled himself up by his bootstraps, but he sold his soul along the way, thought the ends justified the means, and became exactly what he despised.

>>723352594
he hated poor people

>>723338314
VS is only like, 200 years after FFT. Plus, you're talking about a world that had airships and shit but went through a cataclysm that hard reset them to the middle ages.

>>723352696
And Ramza too, don't forget Ramza.

>>723352696
That's not a problem?

>>723352594
what if he multiplied

>>723352594
the chuddest chud to ever chud in a vidya gaem

>>723352440
Explaining is not the same as excusing. The post that Anon was replying to was claiming it "makes no sense." Maybe it's not rational, but that doesn't mean Delita didn't have reasons. >>723352102 is just shifting the goalposts. Hardly anyone ever claims Delita is the hero of this story.

>>723352624
Ramza did all those things because he decided to go against the status quo. Had he kept quiet and did as he was told, he would have had everything. It's precisely because Ramza chose to abandon nobility that he ended up walking a path similar to Delita, with the exception of gaining useful allies as a matter of circumstance and because he was more willing to trust people.

>>723352594
Lactose intolerant in a world of milksop churls

>>723353001
He would've just been a more invisible Zalbag at best.

>>723352594
He's the embodiment of an average temporarily embarrassed richfaggot.

>>723353112
He would have gained a greater place in house Beoulve eventually as a matter of succession. Then he would have been the one leading armies. All he had to do was wait and remain loyal.

>>723353001
>he would have had everything
He would've had nothing actually, probably would've been killed in some gay Lucavi conspiracy. It's just like this world, the shit at the top is all fake, gay retarded and controlled by literal demons. I hope IRL Ramza picks me for his party to kill the Lucavi at Epstein's Deep.

>>723351667
>Terra Battle: Didn't play, did anyone play?
Now that's a blast from the past

>>723351667
Dawntrail is worse than Bozja.

>>723329447
holy sloppa

>>723353214
I prefer Delita's way of going about things myself.

>>723353356
man people used to have balls

>>723351992
I'm starting to think most of the people here are underage mexicans who base their entire worldview around DBZ

>>723353356
Delita only got as far as he did because of Ramza though

>>723353356
This would be like killing Dycedarg imo, except you don't even get his memestone afterwards. Wouldn't mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things.

Why is Ramza not mad at Zalbaag for ordering Argath to fire

>>723353613
He definitely was for a time. He's probably more sympathetic since Ballbag was the good brother and is how he would've turned out if he stayed.

>>723353613
Ramza has the soul of a housewife, he can't really comprehend anything going on at the start of the game and has to go through a hardening up arc.

>>723353769
Not to mention, he probably told Argath to kill Ramza if he had to

>>723351667
terra battle 1 was decent
story was above average for a gatcha
terra battle 2 was dogshit where everything regressed nothing good about it

Amazing how many people throw themselves on Ramza's sword by the end, dude can't take a few steps without people committing suicide by Ramza against Ramza's will

The PSP version is still the best and definite version

>>723353970
That's the zealots' favorite pastime.

>>723352594
>family went from nobility to dirt farmers in one generation because of his shitter grandpa
>I SWEAR I'M STILL A BASED ARYAN THOUGH

>>723349928
would've better if it was
>draw your sword ramza
>pulls out a gun

>>723334996
i like that they don't have any faith cause robots don't believe in god
it's a sentence that doesn't even sound like a game mechanic

>>723322082
>but it was also Ramza who chose to absolve himself of agency in the entire scenario.
To be fair, they were both fuckin kids, and Zalbag had never shown himself to be that callous before. Delita was emotional, and Ramza wasn't the passenger to his life he was acting as, neither of them were fully in the right, but also acted in completely understandable ways. It's a great story because it was a tragedy that was both totally avertable but pretty much inevitable.

>>723338314
Ivalice had a highly advanced civilization, see ffxii, then some fucking apocalypse happened and that's why all the amazing shit like robots are ancient tech in ruins in FFT. St. Ivalice from FFTA is the far future where they have modern technology like cars and shit.

>>723353970
I didn't play wotl but he's a lot more self-assured than i remember in chapter 4. Like i used to think he was more of a reluctant hero but he straight up goes 'i'm going to fuck you up' to all the lucavi.

>>723354609
>Ivalice had a highly advanced civilization
gay
>and that's why all the amazing shit like robots are ancient tech in ruins in FFT
KINOOOOOOOO
>St. Ivalice from FFTA is the far future where they have modern technology like cars and shit.
ultra gay

>>723354609
what apocalypse happened?

Did they fix Cloud showing up at level 1 so it was an immense chore to actually use him?

>>723354745
We don't know. But it also seems like non human races got wiped out too. FFT even mentions moogles having gone extinct.

>>723354745
No one knows. But whatever happened killed off every race other than the humans. And the Espers of FF12 became trapped in the Auracite and would be redubbed The Lucavi

>>723354925
>But whatever happened killed off every race other than the humans.
Lame.

>>723354925
ff12 is set before FFT?

>>723352594
he didn't like broth of bean

>>723327209
I mean, Delita became part of the status quo at the end. His successors would have every reason to just go back to the boot, that's the thing with every ruling caste. They have material incentives to be assholes.

>>723355123
Yeah, over a thousand years before FFT.

>>723350748
Yes but I didnt play FFTA2

>>723354880
It was for the best

>>723353482
i mean it happened again pretty recently

>>723355627
Seriously why give them those teeth?

Did they nerf Agrias or was her unique class always this shit? Is she better in something else like Knight but with her sword skills as a secondary?

>>723355678
why anything?

>>723354876
Yes, he joins at party level, with materia blade already. He also has Samurai unlocked, and Shirahadori learned.

>>723316953 (OP)
There's karma in knowing Delita lost everything he cared about and Ramza was eventually acknowledged as the real hero of Ivalice.

>>723355657
I dont watch gore shit online but that video was put in my face on twitter and holy shit that was a lot of blood

>>723355657
shocked we haven't seen one hero just pop Netanyahu in the face at a Press Conference

>>723355916
Oof, you really have no basic understanding of the world huh

>>723337457
Don't do that one mega man x zero /v/ meme I swear to god

>>723355916
Trump is the most hated man in the world and he survived two assassination attempts. Bibi would be fine.

>>723355848
i meant shinzo abe but another good example

>>723355705
I thought this as well. I don't remember her PA being that low. Yes it's slightly better in Knight.

>>723355705
Agrias has always been a shit unit only carried by being the second female you meet and thus shipped with Ramza.

>>723356114
Looked like he was shot right in the pulse or something it was crazy

>>723356186
THIS FLEETING LIFE CLING TO IT NOT

>>723356186
>thus shipped with Ramza.
I dunno, her banter with Gaffgarion is excellent

>>723355123
yes, and revenant wings is just after ffxii, and the past stuff in ffta2 is set after revenant wings.

>>723355806
>Ramza was eventually acknowledged as the real hero of Ivalice.
fanfic

>>723356556
Delita still won't ever fuck you.

>>723356143
I'll just do that then. Her speed has always been terrible but Excalibur fixes that mostly. I'll just turn her into a dual wield rending bot with the occasional ranged sword skill

>>723348701
Too bad it's a shit fucking game so the lore isn't even worth digging through

>>723357304
FFTA and FFTA2 let you make way more fun builds than FFT though

Should I emulate War of the Lions?
I only played the PS1 version.

>>723357382
Tell me more. I strongly disliked FFTA, so I never played it again after feeling obligated to play through it at least once.

>>723357385
It's not that much different. Just 2 new classes and 2 new scenarios with Balthier and Luso

>>723357567
NTA but FFTA let you bullshit most of the game if you know how. For example: Viera have the Assassin class. Assassins have a skill that inflicts instant Death on an enemy unit. Obviously this is balanced by it being horribly inaccurate... right? Well Archers have a skill called Concentrate which boosts the accuracy of EVERYTHING. And if for some reason the enemy is immune to Death or it's against the law, then you can Petrify them too.

>>723321669
>>723323189
It's worth looking into the sister work Tactics Ogre to see Matsuno's feelings regarding kings. Basically there are two endings where the main character becomes king; one where you pissed off too many people during your ascendency and get assassination during your coronation, and one where you're a just and righteous king... Now facing an invasion from your much stronger neighboring countries, because oh yeah, they were benefitting from your country being a shithole ravaged by war.

Knights of Lodis > FFTA

>>723357936
It's ok, no one will invade you as long as the sequel never happens :)

>>723357385
>>723357626
Don't forget the new cutscenes.
https://youtu.be/Y8puy-KMAQE

>>723357382
>>723357567
>>723357802
>Dual Wield Paladin
>Ultima Gunner
>Jugglers with Smile (instant Quick)
>Archer Assassins
Yeah FFTA is fun to fuck around in.

>>723358646
Ugh, I dunno, doesn't sound like enough to get me to go through that game again. What about the sequel?

>>723355705
They did in fact nerf her default job

>>723316953 (OP)
Because Ramza plays Denuvo games.

>>723350773
>I cannot understand why it is so fucking impossible to make more games like FFT, its like he tries everything to get away from it
Sakaguchi put his hand on his shoulder and told it was his time to make a mainline title final fantasy.

>>723351748
TO is based on Ogre battle which is a SNES RTS RPG type game. So the units aren't as flexible as they are in FFT.

>>723356186
Alma is the superior ship

>>723359303
Yeah, I won't hold it against the game much but I won't have people tell me the gameplay is better than FFT because I really don't see how it would be

>>723356186
>Agrias has always been a shit unit

>>723359303
Ogre Battle is better than TO if you ask me, until Unicorn Overlord released it was also quite unique

>>723359012
I honestly can't recommend it. I played through it when it came out, but it's forgettable.

>>723350773
Square has distanced itself from turn based games outside of remakes/small titles/mobileshit for the most part. FFT is like taking turn based to an autistic level. The average person will think it's slow by today's gameplay standards and they are right. Besides, given what we have seen from him since, he could never top what he made back then.

>>723359304
B-but that's his sister

>>723351748
This is how you can tell FFT fans don't really like tactics games lol. TO doesn't let you get overpowered as fuck so 'it sucks because there's annoying units'. Newsflash faggot: you have ways to counter them. The flying dude can go around perma harassing them and stopping them from healing frontliners. You can recruit tanky as fuck dragons and other beasts that will fly over enemy units straight next to mages. Archers with silence longbows are very effective as well.

Thunder god Cid in FF14 has been nerfed six times.
His day 1 fight was probably the hardest content the games ever had, pretty fitting for him I'd say.

>>723359714
>TO doesn't let you get overpowered as fuck
only if we're talking about reborn

>>723359714
>This is how you can tell FFT fans don't really like tactics games lol.
Then proceeds to tell me the winged guy can fly, no shit, I used Dark Knights to fear people, Octopi to acid people, not even close to as fun as the shit you can do in FFT

>>723359805
Why would we talk about the dogshit psp version? Its only perk was the increased gameplay speed and retranslation. Most of its changes were negative.

>>723359942
because your dumbass post LITERALLY only has to do with reborn, so to you TO ogre fans that prefer the older versions also don't like tactics games. you are autistic.

>>723352751
He hated Ramza because he was a bastard that was acknowledged by his father, which meant that despite being half common-born he still outranked him.

>>723359932
And yet you complain about healers. Also I forgot, but number of enemy units doesn't even matter - 99% of missions have a specific target you have to kill, most of them can be one shot. The clerics don't even matter if you know the mechanics of the game.
>Doesn't let me do the fun shit you can do in fft
Because they're different games. TO was never a grinding game. FFT appealed to a different crowd that came mostly from a series where you grind. The customisation also breaks FFT completely. It's both its biggest strength and weakness.

>>723360005
No, it has to do with pax/saturn/reborn.

Thoughts on serious and responsible lady knights?

>>723359714
TO doesn't have that je ne sais quoi that FFT has. That's my beef with it. I just remember the sprites looking squished and less detailed and everything just that dollar store feel to it. It just feels like a step down.

>>723350475
>or other people on his team are responsible for it not ending up garbage
I think this might be the case for a lot of things. I'm looking at Metal Gear Solid, specifically.

>>723359714
I would comment in detail but I haven't played reborn and one vision has made me forget a lot of what vanilla TO is like. I do remember always thinking that TO was a thoroughly more robust and interesting game than FFT though

>>723360182
Kinda shit. You're harkening back to the eternal image of the historical knight and the ruin it all by making him female, the one thing he could never be.

>>723360208
It's an older SNES game anon what do you expect lol. Don't forget it was made by a pretty small studio at the time.

>>723360286
Reborn lets you autobattle the entire postgame which is based in my book. The main problem is it needs to go way faster which you can accomplish with Cheat Engine.

>>723360296
>Approval rating 17% on the male vampire
Bro don't even pretend women don't drool over sexy male vampires and they're not popular as shit, or that guys don't think Castlevania Dracula or Alucard are cool.

>>723359805
Why would we talk about the dogshit psp version? Its only perk was the increased gameplay speed and retranslation. Most of its changes were negative.

>>723360182
They deserve to be told how beautiful they are until they get flustered and blush.

>>723360404
Alucard kinda looks like a chick though. He's closer to Shanoa than Dracula or Simon Belmont.

>>723319017
>Teta

>>723360359
I played it on playstation

>>723360182
they're hot

>>723360363
why would you want a game that plays itself? I used a lot of battles for just testing stuff and combos. It was fun

>>723360487
Then Hellsing Alucard, you homo.

>>723356556
This Mori guy made a nice guide.

>>723360182
I have never bothered to level her up and use her through the story and I already have multiple playthroughs under my belt.

>>723360575
I'm just not opposed to it. There's so many battles to get through that it's welcome. Ideally I'd say the entire postgame needs to be redesigned but it's a decent enough bandaid to fixing the tedium.

>>723360182
Built for unspeakable humiliations in doujins

>>723360695
I'm surprised. Her class feels like a straight improvement over the basic Knight Job.

>>723360208
I've never played TO knights of lodis but what do you think of it's sprite detail?

>>723335751
That's one of the things I really didn't like about LUCT honestly. And even that hinges entirely on him doing the opposite of what Denam does.

>>723355705
Her version of holy knight always nerfed her PA a lot compared to everyone else
it is better to make her a geomancer or knight to unfuck her PA. If you use her all the way until you get knight swords she pretty much needs to sit in the knight class from then on.

>>723360964
>>723361027
If you squint your eyes it looks exactly like FFTA.

>>723361246
TO expecting me to rationalise Denam going ahead with the false flag so early was where it really lost me as a story

>>723361246
I like it. Circumstances brings out the best in him, or the worst in him.

>>723337872
>Thou art..(cough)..still a bitch nigga tho (cough) verily (ACK)

>>723361284
same art director

>>723361320
Why is it unbelievable to you? It's more believable than delita turning on ramza no questions asked.

>>723361320
that was one of the best parts though

>>723360964
>>723361284
This pretty much.

>>723361335
He's comically evil if you refuse to kill the refugees, hard to believe anyone took that shit seriously

>>723361414
>It's more believable than delita turning on ramza no questions asked.
this never happens what are you talking about

>>723361524
See OP scenario.

>>723361524
This entire thread is about shonentards deliberately misinterpreting that scene

>>723361320
In every scenario it works. Guess you're not smart enough to see the value of it.

>>723339121
Oh hell no.

>>723361580
Ramza is the very definition of a shounen hero(ideal noble)

>>723359304
>Clothing specifically meant to emphasize her rack

>>723361636
>MC is a boy therefore its a shounen genre story
Could you just kill yourself or something

>>723361563
It's pretty fucking obvious why he's mad at Ramza, just because you think it's unfair for Delita to blame Ramza doesn't make it some out of field swerve.

>>723361617
>In every scenario it works
Nah, they didn't give me a believable reason to genocide my own people other than to force a seperate route

>>723361768
It works, as in, it helps you accomplish your goals of rallying your people to you, and if you don't do it someone else does and it works for them too. Falseflags are useful IRL too.

>>723361850
Yes but we're not talking about shitting in someone's letterbox here, I need a reason for why Denam would do something so insanely immoral. Maybe he's not supposed to be a character like Ramza in which case I like TO even less as a result, and Edgelord Vyse was so cringe too

>>723361768
If it was obvious it wouldn't have left so many people confused

>>723362042
Never seen people confused until this thread, clearly the newfags picking up IC version are retards I don't know what to say.

I don't know about you guys but when the Dark Knights of Lodis enter the story of TO that was when shit really flew over my head

>>723362119
It was always a point of confusion, not because of Delita's anger but anger to the point where he declares he wants to kill his best friend for no good reason

>character loses his shit and chimps out
>what did he mean by this?

>>723362216
Almost like his sister was killed like a piece of trash by nobles

>>723362185
How so?

>>723362185
That subplot is confusing because it's part of a larger conspiracy. That's just kind of dumped on you at thr 11th hour

>>723362279
Sure but Ramza risked his life to save her. He went through what 5 grueling battles just to reach her?

Was Ramza used as a scapegoat to explain all the political vacuums that happened, like Dycedarg + Zalbaag, Folmarv + his sidekicks, and the high confessor dying?

>>723362016
morals have no place in a war you're trying to win. They were on the ropes and needed a some kind of momentum shift. There's also a hierarchy and following orders thing, which ultimately would have other implications later

>never played FFTA2
>decide to play it instead of buying the demake
man this game is shit. you can tell why the Tactics series died after this one. at least the core battle gameplay is still solid.

>>723349536
imagine being raped by frasier crane

>>723362284
Felt like I was missing out on a lot of lore, I'm pretty sure the big burly DK at one point asks you about 'The Ogre Battle' which if he means the game Ogre Battle is pretty on the nose.

>>723352594
Real answer?

He despises commoners trying to rise up because they're the only people he's still above in the social hierarchy. It's pretty much all he has left that makes him feel like a real blueblood, and without that he'd be nothing.

The lower you are on the ladder, the more important and urgent that sort of thing feels to you. Compare it to Chp1 Ramza who's position and lack of expectations placed on him made him the most naive clueless motherfucker in the realm

>>723362363
bruh, Delita just watched his sister, the only person he really trusted die in front of him, of course he's freaking out

>>723362665
Sure but it's a stretch for him to turn on the very person he's relied on to even make it to her. Without Ramza he'd probably have turned into a skeleton in the woods.

>>723356186
>>723359304
And then there's me, shipping him with the damaged brown girl.

>>723362853
Isn't she pregnant with Barrington's kid?

>>723362607
>most naive clueless motherfucker in the realm
he's so cute

>>723362892
No...

>>723362768
Literally all of Chapter 1 is about how Ramza is naive about his privilige and confusion as to why the Corpse Brigade are mad at him for existing, yes you can say it's unfair but when Tietra was slain by a Noble and Ramza started his idealistic responses to Argath I don't blame Delita for snapping at him. Also he literally doesn't kill him so I don't know why we're begrudging Delita a little crash out

>>723362853
Raped goods are no good.

>>723362960
He manipulated him like a tool uncaring if he lived or died then cast him aside to live in exile running from the church for the rest of his existence, so yeah Delita didn't kill him but he did the next best thing.

>>723362995
At least she's not banging her brother like half the other women in this story

look at this close encounter

>>723362960
Still doesn't make sense even if Ramza was naive. He risked his own life for Teta that's all that matters

>>723363127
blacks aren't welcome in these parts

>>723363142
>that's all that matters
Even the result doesn't matter, I take it.

>>723363142
>>723363060
Would have made more sense if Ramza did cross some line like trying to defend Zaalbag, but he was 100% with Delita the entire way including turning against his brother's troops. Shit doesn't make sense

>>723363275
The result was Ramza risking his life for them both including after Teta died. It's bad writing.

>>723363276
>Shit doesn't make sense
you're mixing emotion with reason, I really don't understand why you expect Delita to have the latter in this situation, it feels like you're just mad for Ramza's feelings or something or being obtuse

>>723363276
Delita is simply a bad person.

>>723363331
>The result was Ramza risking his life
That statement doesn't make any sense.

Millueda was right to hate Ramza

>>723363407
No I expect the consequence of actions to make sense even if tempers are flared. Delta declaring he'll kill Ramza even at that moment makes 0 sense given everything Ramza had done and continued to do for them both

>>723363587
Millueda needs nobility correction

>>723363587
I don't see how that's possible when she had all the delicious boiled grass soup she ever could have wanted.

>>723363664
You are getting filtered by a basic ass story beat, I don't know how I can make this clearer

>>723363587
>Here is a cure to your cance Millueda
>FUCK YOU CANCERMONGER I WOULD RATHER DIE FROM CANCER THAN ACCEPT YOUR CURE
>I didn't give you cancer, I'm offering you a cure
>IT'S ALL THE SAME TO ME *dies*

>>723363587
>gets herself killed by the only noble who ever tried to reach across the aisle and understand her position
how deliciously tragic.

>>723363587
Argath drops a truth nuke on Ramza too, everything he said was true

It's funny, we're living through a pretty significant moment of political polarization and people here still don't understand that the "us vs them" mindset can overpower individual relationships

>>723332434
Missed this earlier. He said something along the lines of, "Silence, Ramza! After Algus, you're next!!"

>>723363664
Delita is a bad person, how many times does this need to be said? It all makes perfect sense when you just accept he's a shitter.

>>723363972
Well she's right, what the fuck was Ramza going to do? She knew his brothers would execute her. She fought for the nobles and because she wasn't born as one of them she was forced to turn to brigandry just to survive, there was no outcome from the 50 Years War to now that leads to her life suddenly turning around, she literally never stood a chance from the moment she was born

>>723363949
You do realize that being taken in by Ramza's cadre would have meant certain execution for her, yeah? She had nowhere to go and nothing to gain from cooperating with a naive lordling that thinks we can all just get along

>>723363912
A basic story beat that makes little sense. I understand the intent but the writing is stretching the reasoning too much. It's bad writing but it's a jrpg so that's a given

>>723364182
Delita was probably struggling with a lot of shit up to that point, keeping stuff bottled up is pretty awful when it finally comes out
But I agree, he probably wasn't a great person. Most people aren't but they do their best until they can't anymore. Ramza is quite the bizarre character in this setting.

>>723364310
He offered her an out. She literally could have not fought against him and lived

>>723364224
>>723364310
Ramza's own story is a better example of what to do when you've lost everything and have nothing left but your ideals. Mileuda's hatred was unproductive and her death served no purpose. A revolutionary achieves nothing by falling in love with noble defeats.

>>723364314
It's funny you'd malign "j"rpgs for bad writing when you can't fathom a nuanced situation and need to take everything that immediate face value
>Ramza was being nice so that means you have to be nice too right now!
But here's the thing: The world doesn't revolve around Ramza and whether or not he means well does not fucking matter. This happens a lot in a real life. And even Ramza, within the context of this very story, comes to understand that and admits his error. Fun fact: that's when he stops being a fucking CHILD.

>>723364509
you have to fight literal demons when you lose everything? Damn that's rough

>>723364460
>He offered her an out
No he didn't, he just thought she did which was why she was getting pissed off, it's insulting

>>723364460
>He offered her an out
????

What power do you think Ramza has in this situation, really? Do you really, truly believe that him talking to Dycedarg or Prince Larg would have saved her? Or any of the other rebels?

>>723364579
With this kind of reasoning you can just explain away anything as a brain and call it "nuance". Sire it CAN happen in real life but stories are curated events and not random happenings

>>723364745
He stated he didn't want to fight her numerous times. >>723364745
She could have just fled

>>723321446
>Was this cut content?
I've read somewhere that the game was going to let you play with options, dunno if you had to chose between Ramza or Delita or your choices would lead you to their different paths, but it was too ambitious for the tech, resources and time they had back then and we've got two characters and only able to play one instead.

>>723316953 (OP)
Delita is poor trash. All the poor people are awful, only 90% of the nobles are.

With the way that Cid and Elmdore have new dialogue where Cid seems to talk up Elmdore as actually being someone that cared for the common people, it's now sinking in that Gustav kidnapping Elmdore for ransom is probably what really sealed the fate of the Corpse Brigade

>>723364795
Not really. It's a simple matter of you focusing too much on Ramza's actions and attitude at the exclusion of all else. Ramza in this scenario is a retard that thinks everything will be okay if we all just come together, but that's at odds with reality and nobody wants to hear that. Especially with the people they care about dying out here

>>723365057
"Ramza are naive I will kill you" - Delita, somehow

>Tietra's body didn't turn into a crystal or chest
FUCK YOU LEMME USE A PHOENIX DOWN

>>723364856
>She could have just fled
She did flee, when he let her at the Thieves Fort. She was still fleeing when Ramza's group intercepted hers while tracking Golagros Levine. But there was nowhere for her to go, or any of them really. Ramza wanted her to surrender and parley, and tried offering amnesty which he had NO POWER TO GRANT. Saying that he'd get his brother and Larg to "understand"

She knows that Ramza is clueless and their lot isn't his fault, but he's still a noble that benefits from the broken system they labor under so fuck him and his ignorance

>>723365156
For likely the last time: Delita was upset. He never attacked Ramza after this, but he didn't want to hear his feckless drivel at that time either.

>>723364998
I'm kinda of curious how Argath would of reacted if he heard Wiegraf spill the beans on the Elmdore Hostage situation being setup up Dycedarg and Duke Larg.

>>723365508
Oh that's an easy one: He'd tell Wiegraf to shut his fucking mouth or else he'll shut it for him

>>723361617
Denam was supposed to be a kid, a wide starred idealist by that point. In fact, I'd wager it was his political naivete that was used to decisively paint the galganstani in such dark colours. If he had been a bloodthristy zealot all along, it could have been portrayed better duting the law route.

>>723365431
The more excuses you have to make for a piece of writing the worse it is in reality. It's the same guy who wrote Ashe's arc in ff13 and you'd need to make a lot of excuses for that

>>723365927
Ff12 *

>>723365927
>The more excuses you have to make
Ironic coming from someone with such a myopic view on a complex situation. Keep babying Ramza I suppose, little sense as it makes

>>723365927
an explanation is not really an excuse

>>723361668
I don't think AI, or at least my setup, can do that specific shirt but my "commoner" prompt setup does take note of that style of rack lol

>>723366085
Cute fairy