Thread 723355710

APOLOGISE

its dead anon

>>723355710 (OP)
sorry

>Try the "free" weekend
>Max level is 20

I'm sorry Diablo 3. You really are the best.

>>723355710 (OP)
diablo3 is a bad game and so is 4.

>>723355710 (OP)
>S
I hate non-Americans so much.

I'm playing a better game right now with my cool Vengeance Paladin

>>723355710 (OP)
She should have had bigger tits and generally be more curvy all around. She's a mega succubus for fuck's sake. Everything else about her was hot though and she gave big milf vibes.

>>723356060
why do blizzdrones parade this manfaced troon around
it's fucking hideous

>>723355948
english language

>>723355710 (OP)

d4 bad
poe2 good

>>723356146
I don't speak English, STUPID. I speak American like the Bible is written in.

No. The plot was stupid. And PoE was still a better game.

>make two good games
>make two bad games
The next game will make Diablo a mostly bad series.

>>723355979
i'm not playing as a negro

>>723356220
ok

>>723355710 (OP)
im sorry this game ended up so shitty

>>723356341
mod him white?

>>723355710 (OP)
i asspologize to liliths butthole when i rape it

No.
The real "apologize" is that Diablo 3 in the reveal trailer was the peak of post-Diablo 2 art design and atmosphere. It looked nothing like Diablo 2, but there was actual artistry and vision there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q17FDfU7-ds
Then the backlash, and a shift around, and the Diablo art team was filled with hacks. Every Diablo 3 area not shown in the reveal looked worse (but it was "darker"!) and Diablo 4 is completely soulless.

>>723357219
Diablo 3 had much bigger problems than art direction.

poo2 mental gymnastics on show itt
good stash tab goys

>>723356106
Nigga you gay.

>>723358641
YOU are gay, blizztroon

>>723357219
Looks like wowshit

>>723355979
>3x perfect emeralds
is this rage bait or just a wholesome noob?

>>723356193
Both bad but you guys aren't ready for such a revelation.

>>723355710 (OP)
Oh shit I'm sorry.

>>723357219
it was already looking too "cartoony" here.

God damn wow devs got an inflated ego with warcraft being successful so they thought it was the winning formulae for every game to have those types of graphics and colors. Diablo 3 would have been better as a 2d game like d2 rather than what we got. Then the devs lashed out at fans and other devs for saying it looked a little cartoony in their early showcase and the d3 devs literally called other devs names like losers and put a secret pony level in the game to spite the fans that said the game looked cartoony. Then when D3 launched it had the worst reception of any blizzard game as well as some of the worst player retention, which got the big money guys to finally pay attention to why everyone was so pissed off and not playing and they did a 180 on the cartoony pixar bullshit and tried to make the expansion super dark "we fixed everything".

The most annoying part to me wasnt even all that, it was the youtube game critic analysts saying mind boggling stupid things like "when people said the game looked too cartoony before launch, it might have actually been a valid complaint because it did in fact change the atmosphere of the game a little" like no shit retard.

>>723356060
Same woman artist that designed that dogshit Winter Queen in WoW.

>>723355710 (OP)
>always online
no

>>723355890
d3 was very good after rmah, just a fun game you can grind with friends or some good music while blasting through levels

>>723359250
The writing was on the wall with SC2.

>>723359406
Agreed. This point seldom gets mentioned. The colossal downgrade that's BW>SC2 in terms of art overall (not only aesthetics, music too) is a huge red-flag. Or, many red-flags, even.

>>723357219
Had it been a new IP or even just some sort of unapologetic reimagining of Diablo (rather than a sequel) it would've been acceptable. The problem was that it was not at all like Diablo 1&2 visually and so they should've been able to predict the backlash. It was a poorly thought out decision in general, and the original art director leaving almost immediately after the announcement says as much. Blizz Irvine had inherited the build of the game that was in development at Blizz North circa 2005, and the change in artstyle happened a year into rebooted development. This meant redoing a ton of assets that had already been built (followed by yet more retooling later after the backlash). That area in particular (the bridge and everything) existed in prior builds with the original artstyle for example, there was a screenshot of it n some GDC(?) talk and if I wasn't lazy I would go look it up right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_8QHPGJnbg

>>723359250
>>723359552
No one actually cared about the art being different in the end. The game sold massively and everyone that play D2 played D3. By the time RoS released it had redeemed itself.

>>723356320
Forgetting Immortal?

>>723359543
The story was also pure ass. Something that would become somewhat of a trend with all Blizzard games going forward.

>>723355710 (OP)
Is Diablo in it yet?

>>723355979
the d2 remaster really is great. very svol

>>723359543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrbN2y5r-vU
Just one track has such depth and variety.
>that first minute

>>723359406
humble brag but i beat starcraft 64 and got to play the starcraft 64 bonus mission where they found a cure for the zerg infestation and hinted kerrigan can be cured. It felt like blizzard held a contest for fanfiction to see which direction to take the series and they picked the worst entry. I knew then that if that was actually the direction they were going it was going to suck

>>723359640
>No one actually cared about the art being different in the end

Plenty of people did and still do, nobody would even be bringing this up otherwise.

>The game sold massively and everyone that play D2 played D3

It sold massively almost solely off of name recognition, marketing and the fact that it was bundled in a 12 month subscription deal for WoW (which counted as sales). Almost everyone dropped the game following the disastrous launch, the second expansion that'd been planned from the start got canceled for a reason.

>>723359640
they bought it because it had the diablo name and it was advertised to millions of people every day for months on end due to the WoW launcher.
>No one actually cared about the art being different in the end.
they did. the reception was legendarily bad, i have never seen a worse reception to a video game and their forums was a warzone. it had the worst player retention of a blizzard game and most people just beat it once then never played it again and blizzard was hoping for a monetized AH system to make steady income like WoW where they sold expansions, like WoW.

>>723359925
The art did not affect sales in the slightest, even for RoS.

>>723360056
>muh sales
how was player retention?
Also speaking of sales how were the sales for the second expansion? dipshit.
why are you defending blizzard so much are you an actual blizzard employee?

>>723360056
>The art did not affect sales in the slightest, even for RoS.

Did I imply that it did? Did Reaper of Souls receive its follow-up expansion that'd been planned out before the game even launched? Just some rhetorical questions for you.

>>723360136
>how was player retention?
Pretty good judging by RoS's sales. This isn't WoW or Destiny 2, retention didn't matter.

>>723359640
Diablo 3 and 4 selling well is just proof that the games sell on name alone despite lukewarm or negative reception. Then people go back to playing better copies of it made with a fraction of the budget. Truly the Pokémon of action RPGs.

>>723359640
D3 at least they tried to improve. D4's "inprovements" is just shit they cut from D3 that they were forced to bring back because said mechanics were good.

>>723360192
>in 1 week it didnt sell half of what D3 did in 24 hours
>one of the biggest selling points of the expansion was "fixing" problems with base game and making it more atmospheric and dark
idk why blizzard devs and fanboys feel the need to pretend D3 wasnt a total let down. They had the chance for a second IP like WoW and they blew it. could have had constant AH income as well as cosmetics and 4-5 expansions if they just understood what made diablo good in the first place.

heres a fun video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJ_XT3oWtY

>>723360136
>how was player retention?
Why are ARPGfags like this? Diablo 4 is miserable to play because it's become Seasons 4 (with some Diablo content?). At least D2 ladders and D3 seasons you could ignore, D4 was built seasons first and game later.

>>723360663
Yet it went on to sell 9.7m copies in three months. The ultimate edition in later brought total sales passed 30m, the most in the series. Split all the hairs you want, no one cared about the art style enough not to buy it.

>>723360725
Player retention matters when you are trying to sell expansions and also want residual income from micro transactions.
Also its brought up for D3 because its a good point to talk about when talking about Diablo 3s "success" it was one of the most anticipated PC games of all time just on the brand alone and blizzard/fanboys point to sales numbers as a cope to pretend it was a job well done, but hardly anyone was playing it after a few weeks and blizzard was doing damage control mode trying to fix the game for months on end.

they deserve all the hate they get over this for the way they treated people for giving honest well meaning advice during the games development. Some of the most incompetent and arrogant devs to ever make a game.

>>723360961
>The ultimate edition in later brought total sales passed 30m,
thats total sales involving D3, which includes wow 12 month subscriptions which got the game for free.

what hairs am I splitting here? the game was trash and initial sales dont make me wrong.

>>723355710 (OP)
I tried playing this game and I dropped it during the opening cutscene. its amazing how one is able to tell something is made by ridiculously woke faggots without the content having any actual homo sex.

>>723361269
>t. politics is my identity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>723361302
hating faggots is politics?

>>723360978
>Player retention matters when you are trying to sell expansions and also want residual income from micro transactions
Yeah, I hate what ARPGs have become. I understand the fun in starting new characters, but now it seems like people play for the GAAS aspects more than the game itself.

diablo 3 is better than 4
but 2 is still the best
unless you play LAN then it's 1

2 > 1 > 3 > Immortal >>> 4

>>723361514
Baal runs and ladder resets were a thing since the beginning of the fucking genre, it was ALWAYS like this.

>>723361664
I get that, but it was something you could ignore previously. D4 is BUILT around it.

>>723361035
>The art style was bad
>Didn't matter because it was a success
>Well actually it was only super successful because of X
Hair splitting. Still in the top five best selling games and expansions of all time btw.

>>723361784
>but it was something you could ignore previously
And you still can? There is quite literally nothing that gets in your way or forces you out of just making new characters to clear the story over and over again if that's how you want to play.

the game is dogshit. the vessel of hatred expansion was laughably bad. their idea of seasonal content is pathetic. the endgame content terrible. the final straw for me was their offensive depiction of jesus at the end of vessel of hatred. im not one to pearl clutch and the game is literally called devil, but go fuck yourself you nasty faggot jew kike studio. never buying shit from them again.

>>723361952
If they had focused more efforts on the single player maybe the story wouldn't be putrid shit. I doubt anyone wants to replay D4 offline.

>>723361952
Because D4 is shit and 99% of development is in the seasons.

>>723362074
But anon THIS season you can equip your BOOTS on your HANDS!!!!! Wowie zowie look at those numbers! It's the same class and build as last season but godDAMN that's a lot of digits! Hey, when you're done defearing the forces of Hell why don't you swing by the cash shop and stay tuned for our next 2 hour campaign drop in 2028! I won't be here to see Diablo's final downfall in 2046, as I'm off to save another franchise. Hope to see you there!

SEASONS CHANGE
TIME PASSES BY
AS THE WEEKS
BECOME THE MONTHS
BECOME THE YEARS

Diablo 3 was shit. Diablo 4 was extra shit. Diablo 5 will be shit. WoW has been shit for most of its lifetime at this point. Blizzard has not made a decent game since Wings of Liberty, nor will they ever again.

>>723362475
>lets make diablo a seasonal live service game, we can sell some battlepasses and mtx every few months and players get new content regularly. win/win :)
>ok battlepass and mtx sounds great, but lets lock all the actual content behind yearly expansion paywalls!
>amazing idea!!!! wait, what about the seasonal content?
>uhh hand boots?

>>723355815
THEY STILL DOING THIS SHIT?
I tried the game a long time ago during a free weekend and this shit genuinely made me not give them money

If it's not a single player ARPG with expansion packs as DLCs I'm not playing it

>>723361845
art style being bad leads to a bigger problem: the atmosphere was weaker and it was not as enjoyable to play. This is a part of a bigger problem: less people playing the game over a longer period which leads to less interest in expansion content and also less people doing micro transactions. Saying that it doesnt matter how well the game does long term because it had good short term sales is pathetic cope, especially when those short term sales had nothing to do with game design.

>>723363010
Same here. I got baited into PoE 2 purely because some friends wanted to play it with me. And that shit sucked. Sticking with Grim Dawn and will replay D2 remaster sometime. Online-only shit can go fuck itself. Seasons are for mazed addicts. Fuck all that. Coincidentally those online/season games are colossal garbage. Quantity > quality to them.

>>723363359
if all you want to do is play single player then seasonal content is literally irrelevant to you anyways, its not like your character gets deleted when the season ends.

>>723363484
Shhhh, don't go against the narrative.

>>723363484
There's a whole lot more that goes on in those games than just a soft reset, anon.

>>723363484
I know you're used to just barrelling through life as a fucking retard, but new features of those games are also behind the new seasons.

>>723363695
And they constantly fuck with skills/items etc, and leave previous content/league mechanics half-assed, unpolished. Incredibly messy and unprofessional. Never attempt to actually fix shit, that means there's less "content" next league, so it's a constant rotation of what's good, what's shit AKA the DotA 2 "balance".

>>723363695
>waaahhhhh if i dont play the league i dont get the new stuff im going to play the single player game where i get nothing new until i download an expansion anyways
ok

>3 launches and sucks
>"with expac it's good now" still sucks
>4 launches and sucks
>"game is good now :^)"
Both these games are incapable of being changed enough to be not shit.

Did seasontroons even play D3? Seasons brought a shit ton of improvements to the base game, D4's seasons did NOTHING, D4's base game improvements were taken from D3's seasons.
That's the difference.

>>723361551
Close enough

>>723364176
One of those variables involves starting off with the exact point of progress from the last time I played and the other doesn't. Don't worry, you'll get there someday champ. Do your schoolwork.

>>723355710 (OP)
Yeah, it's become a fantastic game. I wish their seasonal content was better, but the game has only ever gotten better and I really like how they add support for new builds every patch. The new season has been fun, and I'm looking forward to the expansion.

>>723361664
ladder resets were nothing like seasons in modern arpgs.
in d2 the ladder would occasionally reset, sometimes going well over a year between resets. It was done to simply clean and give people a fresh start. usually by the time it happened everyone had already done everything they wanted to do and quit long ago and people came back upon hearing of the fresh ladder.

Seasons being these weird episodic things in modern arpgs has nothing to do with that, seasonal content being the main focus of the game is an entirely new thing, and the belief that players actually enjoy the wipe and restart is also wrong. i hate wipes. It worked initially with d2 because people had quit prior to. Modern arpgs change seasons/ladders way too fast because that is a fundamental element of their game design. D2 was never designed with ladders in mind, it was a compromise blizzard came up with after their initial closed bnet realm got irrevocably fucked by bugs and cheating. The ladder was a way to try and have a legit environment.

Started the game 3 times before I actually managed to have a fun playthrough of the campaign.
Locking the horse so deep into the game on first playthrough is peak blizzard retardation as usual

I like it. I play a bit every other season. One of the things I whined about was build diversity and the complete joke the druid used to be. All of that is much better.

But I have zero desire to buy the expansion. Even when it went on sale for $16. No thank you. If normie Cohh Carnage talks shit about your expansion, you've got a major problem. And I wonder about how much it actually sold. I played a good 40 hours this season and for every 50-60 players I come across in Hell tides I see one Spiritborn player.

>>723364406
you are actually retarded m8.

>>723364636
Overwatch 1 was on season 36 after its 6 year existence. Lol
Actiblizz has some of the most disgustingly metric-driven development in the entire industry ans the worst part is they know the amount of paying customers it is working on

>>723355710 (OP)
i just cant play games with overt cash shops anymore. i dont even care if its cosmetics only, it just makes the whole thing feel tainted. it gives it a yucky feeling. ive tried to ignore it, ive tried to look the other way, but i just cant be bothered to engage with anything that has so many microtransactions these days. i guess i respect myself too much. so many games out there without this bullshit that i can play instead

>>723363305
Didn't matter, game was massively successful and redeemed itself by RoS.

>>723364929
You're the one not able to comprehend the difference of starting a season fresh with new whacky mechanics versus starting an expac with all your progress intact. Practically drooling on your shirt, faggot.

Wipes and seasons themselves are fine, the issue is it completely hijacking the genre. POE1 still integrates lots of seasonal improvements to the base game, like D3. D4's seasons bring no improvements, just FOMO.

>>723364992
The attitude of the devs/publishers bleed through all other areas of the game too. It's too much of a product rather than a game. It's like gacha, a great and extreme example. Soulless design, soulless devs, made to just consume people and spit them out. Absolutely horrid """"gameplay"""", but entirely to suck money, that's it. Shit like PoE is just half-way there, but still disgusting.

>>723357219
Most certainly did not look better than D2

>>723365236
>just dont start the new season then
>AAAAIIIEEE YOU ARE THE ONE NOT UNDERSTANDING THE DIFGFERENCE BETWEEN A SAYSON AND AN EX PACK
like literally get your meds nigger, i dont give a fuck about whatever you are talking about you are off point.

gomenasai gomenasai gomenasai gomenasai gomenasai

I’m doing the meme from Higurashi, which Diablo 4 was based off of.

>>723360056
>art did not affect sakes
Sure I'm the only player that loved D2 and didn't buy D3 because it looked wrong.

I went through all the games last month for the first time with 0 nostalgia. All I knew about the series was watching a friends older brother playing d2 in 2002.

Objectively, 4 is the best entry, and the series gets better as it goes along in terms of game design.

In terms of tone and aesthetics, that’s more debatable, but it’s not in terms of gameplay. I’ve read opinions online where people legitimately enjoy D2’s single button press combat which is bizarre.

3 has interesting skill progression, but 4’s pace of combat just fucking blows the whole series out of the water. It’s a non-argument.

>new season
>play for 2 days
>done

ah...just like 3..

>>723365814
>objectively this one is the best because it did the thing i like the most the best
mmmm thanks or sharing.

>>723365814
>objectively, my opinion is fact
>reddit spacing
please please please go back

>>723365513
This image has been fake since the day it dropped.

i like epoch better. crafting makes more sense and skill modifiers are just in the skill tree instead of needing it to drop.

are the skins cheaper yet

>>723365513
This image has been true since the day it dropped.

>>723366510
I hate all of epochs character classes its really sad

>>723355710 (OP)
>Game is called "Diablo" but Diablo never appears or even factors into the story
>No paladin class
>Expansion comes out, still no paladin class, just some retarded jungle-themed monk
>all other classes are boring and lame

No, you apologize to me.

>>723366820
No that'll be 25 usd plus tip tyvm

>>723362475
I hate this fat faggot so much. Everything he touches turns to shit.

>>723367217
Diablo trooned out in 3 and ack'd xerself

>>723364307
D3 is the most fun I've had. Diablo 2 almost beats it but the crushing imbalance of hell unless you meta is too unfun for me. Getting handed all my sets after finishing seasonal missions was a really fun reward. That said, D2's setting, classes, and items are preferred. The items were really simple and there wasn't much garbage items. D2 remodded is almost more fun than D3 though.

itt d2 boomers get mad they arent the target audience and state that d4 bad like a npc drone

>>723364636
The biggest difference with their modern attempts to do 'seasons' is that they deliberately powercreep gear with every new season.
Anything you farmed on ladder during D2 was fully on par with your non-ladder stash and vice versa. Your in-game net worth could only grow over time, and dipping back into non-ladder characters was basically becoming god again because all your enigmas and infinities and charms continued to be relevant.

D4 constantly introduces new stuff with seasons that's qualitatively better than existing gear, and sometimes even the fucking item level ceiling goes up like its wow or something which - in conjunction with the shallow itemization - instantly makes anything prior obsolete. They want you on that treadmill every season and you have to be one hell of a mazed motherfucker to fall for it.

>>723365814
What you said means nothing, you probably played the story and quit after, and value quality of life more than substance of gameplay, d4 was very soulless except for lilith (she could use more sexualized clothes and a bigger bust but otherwise okay)

>>723367217
It was painfully obvious when they said they wanted to do more frequent expansions that it was solely motivated by them wanting to milk people for more money. A model like that means they have to stall for time with seasonal bullshit and plot developments that are a big nothingburger because they can't blow their load with the prime evils that early.

>>723368195
D4 is so intertwined with Seasons that the websites don't even have Eternal builds, unlike D3.

Offline mode when?

>>723355710 (OP)
How is it on Steam Deck? I was thinking of buying Last Epoch but it's been sold out and now gonna start selling expansions and catering to consoles, so now I'm debating between the two games since they're about similar prices when sales are factored in. I could also look at PoE2 but I heard it's gonna be free sooner than later and not sure the $30 would be worth it for a chance to play it early.

I'm just itching for a good ARPG to play without diving back into D2 or even a bit of D3.

>>723357219
bro that shit looks like wow

>>723366820
HAHAHAH

>>723369021
when theres a console port maybe, like d3

>>723369598
didnt this shite launch on console?

>>723369659
idk

>>723364293
3 was actually good when it got RoS. Diablo 4 is fundamentally fucking bad and cannot be fixed and everyone saying otherwise is coping.

>According to Chris Hartgraves (a former Blizzard North employee), the game was to take place primarily in Heaven.[3] Comments from an art director on the project corraberate this statement. Hartgraves further claimed that the storyline/gameplay would involve Hell trying to take over Heaven.[4]
it was going to be kino.......

>tyrael was the coolest motherfucker in diablo history
>iconic just like arthas was iconic to wow
>they made him into a bald bumbling nigger

>>723369837
Literally the story in D3.

Season 10 powers are busted. They are fun, but too OP. Sorc Mana Shield makes you invincible. Season 11 and beyond will inevitably scale it down and it'll feel bad to play.
I had fun tho, will finish leveling couple of characters and bail on the game for like a year or two.

>>723366000
>calls out reddit spacing
>proceeds to use reddit spacing

>>723368238
Combat-wise, what exactly is better on the other games than 4? There’s barely and spacing or movement in any of them.

1 is just clicking.
2 is the same but with a few godawful enemies to make you back up.
3 adds the dodge roll but the majority of enemies are still just “mobs” and aoe attacks are king.

Notice how no one can ever articulate why the other entries are better than 4.

>>723371136
Open world, level scaling and the abilities feeling like shit/boring all suck. Now shut the fuck up please.

>>723368238
Endgame is for faggots. Notice all the people complaining spam Baal runs all day.

>>723371261
Open world was imo a really big mistake for the franchise because it kills any kind of atmosphere and sense of scale.

When you were teleporting between zones in d2 you had that sense that you were exploring little vignettes of a much larger world. Your imagination filled in the blanks between loadscreens way better than any artist could.
Meanwhile with d4 you have that open world mmo model where what you see on the map is 1:1 what you see on screen so you have to reconcile how why an entire country is one zone and possible to traverse in 5 minutes of running. It bcomes really hard not to see the game world for the theme park is really is.

>>723371261
There is no real open world, it’s no bigger than 2’s open areas, even more linear in cases.
Level scaling isn’t an issue, and has never been an issue in the series because the majority of the Acts are linear. Level scaling helps, where d2 had the issue of non linear quests within the acts potentially gated by enemy levels.

No one wants to understand that d4 was built up from d2 after looking at 3’s reception.

>>723371691
Open world could work if you had tighter stat system with less power creep, zones of various difficulty without level scaling, and added horizontal progression. Where some areas are too hard until you get gear, like say a snowy mountain area where things are balanced around the idea of you having 75% cold resist, some areas just mechanically too hard until you are higher lvl and can out stat them but gamers can out skill it or certain classes have an advantage they can abuse to get the area done easier, you know an actual world with dangers where your class choice actually makes a difference and endgame could be farming specific areas your class is good at and selling unique loot that drops there like regional weapons/armors or regional crafting mats.

>>723371136
I really dont have a problem with 4s combat. just
> the modern style of story telling in video games. Diablo 2s text box is preferable to me over the in game cutscenes in 4 with scripted NPC interactions
>Diablo 2s itemization is more interesting. Rather than cut every stat that wasnt worth getting in D2 they should have made them more worth getting in 4.
>weird preformative emote type MMO quests felt out of place
i had some other issues but those are the ones i remember. the story style was the deal breaker for me, i actually cant stand that stuff in games, i want the option to skip dialog or cut scenes which i sometimes do in action oriented games.

I'm playing PoE2

>>723371136
>Notice how no one can ever articulate why the other entries are better than 4.
2 has better story, lore, characters, dialogue, atmosphere, itemization, etc.

3 is hard to talk about because there have been so many iterations of the game. If you only played it recently, you played the absolute most retarded version with sets that give you +30000% damage, for example. But there was a time after launch where it felt great, and there was a time after RoS with the loot 2.0 changes where it also felt great.

For D4 they even indirectly admitted that they missed the mark on a ton of things by going back on their ideas and instead just copying/reusing what worked in D3.

>>723372862
Sorry for your loss.

>>723358874
I did that when I was 9 because poison damage = bigger number = better

>>723372937
> 2 has better story, lore, characters, dialogue, atmosphere, itemization, etc.

I don’t think so. 2 has better atmosphere, but that’s a huge wall of text about graphics pipelines, level design and 90s movies.

There are no real characters in 2. Characters don’t really start until 3. With 4, Lilith, (You) and Lorath carry the actual story, as opposed to the thread itself, meaning it’s more literally character centric.

Dialogue doesn’t flow in 2 because it’s just huge walls of text, even if the voice acting is superb.

Itemization in 2 is also too simple, compared to 4’s where added effects build onto your actual playstyle rather than being almost random effects and buffs with amulets and whatnot.

None of these are huge issues anyway because it was done in 2000. The problem is that people can’t deconstruct the issues and improvements.
The ARPG genre will never go anywhere because people are just hellbent on replicating D2.

>>723355710 (OP)
rogue is the only class that has been great since launch, all the other classes are autoclicker tier gaming, you are literally playing wrong w/o using numlock macro'ing and holy fuck minion necromancer is a travesty since blizzard refuse to add a minion attack button which even last epoch has

>>723374668
rogue is dog shit and literal cookie cutter shit.
embuments need a rework

>>723374427
>There are no real characters in 2
And yet literally everyone who played D2 back in the day still remember characters like Tyrael, Charsi, Meshif, Deckard Cain, etc. 25 years later.

>Dialogue doesn’t flow in 2 because it’s just huge walls of text
>even if the voice acting is superb.
?????

>Itemization in 2 is also too simple, compared to 4’s
Calling it simple and then gushing over D4 uniques makes absolutely no sense. It's D4's itemization that is simple, hence why they have tried overhauling it multiple times and are currently overhauling it AGAIN. Everyone who has played D2 back in the day and then any ARPG anytime after keeps yearning for the itemization of D2. The only other ARPG that has had itemization that has come even close would be PoE1.

>The ARPG genre will never go anywhere because people are just hellbent on replicating D2.
We're 25 years after D2 and there's literally only 1 ARPG that has managed to be on the same level(or better, depending on who you ask) and that was PoE1. Tons games have tried many different things and nothing ever feels better than what D2 felt like.

>>723372862
Happy for your gain.

>>723374427
You can talk to the characters in 2 in between quests and ask them for advice or opinions on almost every quest. they have way more character than in the later games, you just have to actually listen to them.

I prefer that style of story telling because i can actually skip it if i want unlike d4 where my gameplay pauses for a few minutes so i can wait for NPCs to finish talking and interact with them to watch them walk around while talking, all for the sake of some story that i dont consider to be the main appeal for these types of games.

>Mephisto isn't in the Mephisto expansion
>It's actually a PRELUDE expansion to the Mephisto expansion
Diablofags are being milked to the bone and they deserve to lose everything for being such retarded suckers

this season was fun af
can't wait for s11 :3

>>723374905
The problem is that poe1 just isn’t good. And they’ll drag poe2 down as well, back into the endgame ropes of 1 while trying to chase D2’s “winning formula”.

There is no winning formula. That’s why POE2 and Diablo IV are miles better than their predecessors, because they got out of the combat rut that D2 and PoE1 glorified.

This isn’t a jab at D2, but there’s nothing interesting about the bosses or the encounters. It’s not Ocarina or Megaman 2, and everyone needs to stop holding it to that level.

The dumbest thing about Diablo 4 is that dodging is now an ability with cooldown.

>>723375973
hot take but i think both poe1 and 2 are amazing games if you just play blind making up your own builds and play to beat the campaign without worrying about endgame farm.

>>723375370
The story telling just isn’t as good. It’s a paradox to say that the story with more player agency to skip it is the better experience.

The reality of the genre is that characters are your emotional attachment to the setting, which is why people don’t shut the fuck up about getting carpal tunnel in d2 over the characters. No one is talking about d2s story outside of Marius, which highlights the previous point.

>>723376319
the incorrect idiot

>>723376491
>It’s a paradox to say that the story with more player agency to skip it is the better experience.
how is that a paradox?


if you want to skip it then you can skip it. therefore it is automatically better for you under those conditions.
If you want to learn each characters personality you can talk to them in between every quest and ask their opinions on it. That is arguably a better experience than having to watch a mini cutscene in game because its something you are choosing to seek out and find on your own.
You missed all that stuff in D2 apparently because you chose to miss it, if you wanted to see it then you got the worse experience which sucks but it was your choice not to talk to the NPCs.
>they have walls of text
Great and you love story time, now listen to it all
>i dont want to!
well you get the option to skip it, in D4 you have to wait that stuff out, see the difference?

>>723375826
>1 expansion every 2 years
>1 game every 8 years

THEYRE MILKING ME
IM BEING MYLKED
*schuck**shwich**shucck

Finna Mylk Max n this shit

>>723376936
>live service

>>723376994
This forum is a live service for everyone here. Don’t act like you’re above battle passes and horse armor.

The alternative is the game just ends after 30 hours. That’s the end of the conversation.

>>723377153
>>723376936
blizzdrones are fucked up man

>>723355815
You'd be able to complete the season journey otherwise, so they have to limit you

POE won so fucking hard

POE lost so fucking hard

>Diablo 4
>but you don't fight Diablo in the game
>he's not even mentioned or hinted
>none of the original Diablo characters make a return, not even a pip from Tyroneal
>you get Mephisto's skull dog form but you don't fight him either
>your main character gets bypassed by this Mary Sue Asian chick who is not Horadrim yet knows almost everything
This is Blizzard's lame attempt to pull a Path of Exile by slapping Diablo's title on it

>>723377901
i dont even care about any of that crap i just want diablo 2 tier itemization or better and quests that dont feel like they come from a phone game.

>>723377153
>actually microtransactions are fine because internet forums exist
the absolute state of blizzdrones

>>723355710 (OP)
Can I play 3 and 4 offline on PC now?

Why is D2R not on Steam yet?

>>723377458
What’s the difference between ongoing content between expansions and nothing for every two years apart from “I don’t like in game stores”

>>723364636
>in d2 the ladder would occasionally reset
a patch dropping combined with a ladder reset made my dong expand uncontrollably. and loading into a new character and seeing a full list of act 1 starter games felt like christmas. was always fun when people pretended not to know each other too and engaging in sabotage just to race
still funny how people believed our 1-15 lie for tristram runs

>>723378298
I would rather the ongoing model that extends gameplay and story alongside microtransactions than a bi-yearly expansion. You get no room to iterate otherwise.

>>723378659
either do paid expansions or ongoing content+mtx, if you go both you're a gigajew

>>723357219
I probably watched that trailer 100 times, but I probably watched sc2 first gameplay trailer more
good times

>>723355710 (OP)
Well POE1 is about to go into 3.27 so, no.

>doesnt know ggg
>thinks 3.27 will be good
lmao look at this nigger baby

>load up poe1
>the attack wind up animation is off

Closed.

>>723376645
It slows the gameplay down to a crawl, and makes my rogue feel stationary. Diablo 2&4 are unplayable to me because of that.

I unironically liked Diablo 3 on PS3, able to play offline and couch-op wirh my brother.. Fun times.

>>723380579
Have you played Rogue on D4? Go spin it back up. Shit is like spider man.

>>723355710 (OP)
Sorry, I thought it would be a good game. Early dev diares were promising. I will know better now, nothing good can come from Activision.

I think a lot of the initial enjoyment through any game in the series comes down a lot to what class you initially choose, more so than most other games.

>>723382196
i liked diablo 3 too, played it a ton before the itemization revamp and ROS which killed loot.
people just had unrealistic expectations after diablo 2.
diablo 4 is starting to be a good game too but it still needs some fine tuning.

IV still has the stigma of its initial release and Blizzards fuckups at the time around immortal and the company.

90% of the posts in this thread haven’t even played the game.

Is the base game worth a playthrough even? I think I have it free on ps plus and I plan on spending no money beyond that whatsoever.

>>723389380
If you take it slow through the game and treat it like a 40 hour RPG, it's a 9/10 with this shit playing in the background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DpxwvFaMUc

>>723355979
poison sucks anon. i wish it didnt, but it do. every time you hit and poison, you reset the debuff and prevent ticks from occurring . reminder you can remove what you socketed

>>723389380
for free? yes. paying? its worth maybe 30 bucks if even

>>723355710 (OP)
itemization and the end game still fucking sucks so fucking bad. Gameplay/graphics is fine. I don't think they will ever fix it.

>>723355790
fpbp
/thread

IV is the Resident Evil 4 of the series. The series had soul before that, but IV makes it actually playable and well designed.

I might be a retard, but I actually enjoy this game.
Yeah, it’s noob friendly, but I like trying a new class at the start of a season and just grind gear and enjoy the game.
When the character is decked out and end game is a joke, I’m tires of the game anyway.
Then I take a break, and start a different class next season.

The game isn’t THAT bad, and it’s surely better than the snoozefest that is Poe 2

I just uninstalled D4 so I could install Age of Wonders 4 and Rogue Trader instead. The game just wasn't very good.I really tried to like it but nothing about it grabbed me.

Isometric ARPGs have this problem with melee classes, where because you’re always dealing with huge mobs of enemies, you can’t put space between yourself and the enemy groups. Even third person action games have this problem. New players should always start off with Rogue the Bat or Necro Dancer