Thread 723356752

What's went wrong with FFtactic?

>>723356752 (OP)
Everyone who cares already played it on PS1 and/or PSP.

I already played it like 30 years ago

>>723356752 (OP)
anyone who actually though this LAZY remaster was going to do gangbusters us a fucking delusional retard.

good sentence

I bought it for like $10 on the play store.

>>723356953
This. And anyone who wanted to play it since didn't have to wait for a rerelease

>>723356752 (OP)
Pretty niche genre. It's not like the original sold a lot either. I never got into the original because the ui and camera is dogshit but the remaster was good enough for me to finish. Good game. Tactics Ogre is better.

>>723356838
I've played on the PS1
I've played it on a PS1 emulator
I've played it on a PS1 emulator on a console
I've played it on a PSP emulator and a no slowdown hack
I've played 1.3 and other total gameplay overhauls on a modded PS2

And the PC remake is better. Once hackers crack it open and unleash modding tools you will be a dumb sour grapes schizo spamming poorfag rage posts while we enjoy replaying the game with new maps and jobs.

>>723356752 (OP)
how many times did this shit get rereleased? didn't they have one from the ps2, then the psp

>>723357439
PS1, PSP, PC. That's it.

It's a good game but the slow tactical gameplay is going to filter a shitload of people, especially for many that have no meaningful memory of Final Fantasy's job system.
There's a reason the only relevant SRPG franchise these days is Fire Emblem and that's because it's basically fucking Quake deathmatch in how fast-paced encounters and character growth is. A few levels in an FE game is more noticeable than hours in FFT.

He's wrong, most people will play the Demaster instead of the real game.

>>723356752 (OP)
Too smart for a retard world

Gaining exp mid battle through actions is pants on head retarded with the system they created. It promotes the most retarded way to actually play the game.

I played it around 20 years ago. It's alright.

>>723358947
by turning into a toad and biting this squires toes for an hour you will learn how to hold two swords at once

>>723357264
without savesate how i steal masamune from elmdore

>>723356752 (OP)
>best game most people wont play
Literally Kingsfield. The soulslop boom would die overnight if they saw how much better the classics were

>>723356752 (OP)
Fun fact: the track that plays when you save Argath from the Corpse Brigade is called Bloody Excrement and the track that plays when you talk to him afterward is simply called Argath, making him the only character in the game with two music tracks named after him.

>>723359379
>without savesate
Ivalice Chronicles creates an autosave after every turn, so you can definitely still cheese steal attempts, treasure hunting, attack outcomes, etc.

>>723358947
just play it normally, don't minmax it
it's a jrpg, not really hard to play

>>723356752 (OP)
RPG shit

>>723359379
I stole all his shit easily. Just gotta call him a pussy until Shirahadori doesn't proc with a unit that has it's speed buffed.

>>723359379
Put on auto potion or some shit and just steal it no matter how long it takes

>>723359379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR41rRE1baw

>>723356752 (OP)
It's not that good compared to other SRPGs but too annoying to play for people that just like casual JRPGs. It doesn't really have an audience nowadays.
Also, the brand value of final fantasy is probably at an all-time low. When it first released that was a very powerful name, nowadays most gamers haven't played a FF game and just know cloud or something.

>>723358947
It's funny how FFT is actually what people meme FFII and to a certain extent FFVIII as but barely gets shit for it.

>>723356752 (OP)
It was a flawed game when it originally came out. But some kids played it at age 12 and thought it was "the deepest, most mature writing in all of history." And still think that at age 40.

I never expected Tactics to find mainstream appeal, especially not from a generation that finds FF7 unplayable.

>>723360154
There is nothing forcing you to grind in FFT or those games.

>>723360154
ff always has "broken" mechanics because they only playtest the games for normal gameplay with little to no grinding, not for hardcore farming, people wanting ultimate builds, or anything
the series is designed for casuals, so it's going to be tedious if you don't play it casually too, the way it's intended to be

>>723356752 (OP)
>The Best Game Most People Won't Play
I remember that same clickbait premise being used for Nier:Automata, but it feels like everyone and their dog has played that game.

>>723360871
The requirements are high enough in Tactics (particularly any version other than US PSX) that you need to make a special effort to gain JP just to have access to a functional healer or interesting jobs. Like the only thing that's actually a problem in FFII is leveling up your status healing spells to actually do what you need them to otherwise naturally gaining what you need, and you're limited how much you can raise your party without access to higher level enemies as well as weak characters catching up fast. While in FFT you're just stuck trying to get some use out of an entire job you don't actually want to use so you can get any functional abilities or job change them later and growth doesn't even really scale up other than running shit parties making battles take more turns.

>>723362296
>you need to make a special effort to gain JP just to have access to a functional healer
Stopped reading there

>>723362296
the game teaches you to explore the job system
maybe it's too much effort for braindead gacha casuals, but when i mentioned casuals, i didn't mean those types, but your average jrpg player
this was made in the 90s, a ps1 game

>>723356752 (OP)
>FFT gets a 1:1 remaster
>crickets
Funny how those FF7R contrarians are oddly quiet right now, isn't it?

>>723362412
Is there even any reason to use white mage over chemist?

>>723362802
The only reason I can think of is white mages can do way more damage by casting Holy or using an offensive secondary than chemists.

Timing. I'm too busy playing Trails in the Sky Ch 1 remake to play the FFT remake. And Megabonk.

>>723356752 (OP)
Well of course I won't play it, I hate tactics games.

>>723362719
1:1 would be a port.
this ain't 1:1

>>723356752 (OP)
Matsuno is a hack and everything he made going forward was gay and retarded like the rest of FF

>>723359379
why the fuck would you want to steal umamusume from dumbledore? let the poor old man have his horse dating sim

>>723362412
Great I still have to bring my dedicated potion throwing bitch to every fight and find something for them to do just so I can use phoenix downs eventually.

>>723356752 (OP)
I already beat it like 20+ years ago
If I want to play it again, I'll just play that one again

>>723363350
>he's not shooting or punching his own guys for free XP/JP
ngmi

>>723363350
Equip item to one of your squires
Problem solved

I'll buy it when it's 50% off in a few months and it has more mods. It'll be the definitive version by far just by modding alone, but I'm not paying full price when it'll go half off pretty soon and there are barely any mods available now.

two handing the Javelin II is pretty gnarly

>>723359379
>get Beowulf/Oracle/Mediator
>lower bravery but Beowulf is better with 100% chicken chance
>done without savescumming

I discovered this recently lmao

>>723356752 (OP)
>typical SquareEnix remaster:
>blur everything
>create an HD sharp UI that clashes wildly with the blurry, low res assets
>lazily add "new" art assets that also clash with the old ones
>censor something
>make something woke or stupid in some way
>fuck up the font or the menus or the UI or all three
Every. Single. Time.

>>723359423
Kingsfield 2 you mean.

What's the point of playing the remaster over the PSP version with more stuff?

>>723365558
it isnt a remaster

I still don't understand why so much effort went into the Star Ocean 2 remaster compared to every other game. Did someone just really fucking like that game?

If the rare samurai fight is a reference to 7 samurai, what is this referencing? martial arts movies from the 70s?

>>723356752 (OP)
I hate hate hate this stock clickbait title of “the best game no one will play.” It’s always shit everyone played and already likes. At least pick a game that got mixed reviews, or is hard to get into or something.

>>723356752 (OP)
The remake's added voice lines didn't make the game better. Most of the time, the characters sounds bored and stiff. Or the voice acting sounds like school stage play tier. While the WotL's animated scenes is much okay than I got from the remake.

>>723357264
>pSX
Now THAT brings back memories.

Holy shit.

>>723365996
Oh yeah, I forgot:
>claim you lost the source code and had to recreate the entire game so that retards online will defend your shitty remaster (lazy port)

>>723367438
you're software illiterate and that's ok

>>723367503
Nah, you're just a fucking idiot. You can tell by feel alone if a game was remade or uses the same engine. TIC is the exact same engine. They didn't recreate the game.

>>723356752 (OP)
Final fantasy Tactics: The Feminist Chronicles.

FF Tactics is good but people always acted like it's the best game ever and everyone should play it etc etc
It's not that important or the best game ever, I personally found fft advance to be more fun and I played both on release.

>>723356752 (OP)
>literally the only tactics based rpg anyone plays, crown jewel of the entire genre, one of the most well regarded FF games of all time, 30 year old stone cold classic that everyone loves and praises
>DURRRR NOBODY PLAY DIS GAME
sub room temp iq video and OP, rope now

It's just chud and right winger fag making their last ditch effort to deface square, but that's ok they are losing this fight. Barry lost again as always.

>>723368124
>You can tell by feel alone if a game was remade or uses the same engine.
A fucking idiot indeed.

>>723366524
13 Assassins? Except I think they could only fit 11 monks in that fight. Imagine if there were an encounter based on 47 Ronin.

>>723363719
>damaging yourself for xp/jp
You are like little baby. Observe
>Focus
>Gained JP up
>attach to desired class
>being 2 character eith Rend Power and Rend Speed
>kill everything but 1 enemy
>Rend speed down to 1
>Rend power down to 1
>character(s) you are power levelling use focus every turn
>hundreds or even thousands of jp gained in just a few turns
>bonus if 2 or more are the same classes as 25% of jp is shared by everyone in the fight that has access to that class

Works for any class btw. Including casters. You can have holy, flare or meteor before you are able to have the mp to cast them.

>>723368124
yeah same engine as XVI

>>723368934
Oh and only a slight modification is needed for special characters.
>unequip their weapon
>have Chakra on one of your Rend Speed/Power users
>corner mob on flat ground where Chakra will hit them too
>special character punches mob from behind
>Chakra user keeps mob alive forever

>>723356752 (OP)
Ugly art style

>>723357159
The original ps1 version sold quite well though not as good as FF7. FFTA also sold well. FFTA2 had awful sells though and SE abandoned the sub-series after it.

Remake barely has anything interesting going on except it being on PC for mods. No I don't care about more speech bubbles during battle that are terrible or useless drivel 60% of the time.

Friends I’ve decided to rework my party
Ramza: white mage/lancer
Agrias: Geomancy/holy sword
Make generic: knight/mystic
Female generic: samurai/monk
Female generic: either 2h mystic with Iaido or geo with Iaido. Smacking things with poles sounds fun and female mystic are cute with the giant bow.

>>723369127
Unpopular opinion

>>723362802
Protect/Shell/Reflect. They have niche uses. Chemist isnt a primary job class, its what you run on Mustadio to make him useful once Machinist is mastered.
>dont level him in chemistry, he needs the speed growth from machinist to stay useful. Just power his jp up as fast as you can.

>>723357159
>Tactics Ogre is better.
this

>>723356752 (OP)
its a bad SRPG
people who want to play SRPGs have better options
people who want to play final fantasy have better options
the only reason it got any play back in the day was because of the final fantasy brand which is in the shitter right now

>>723369236
Sounds fine. Some overlapping skillsets for my taste but who cares.

i would have bought it if not for denuvo, not supporting that cancer

>>723369345
That bothers me too…what to do?

>>723368351
Gaff knows her secret desire to settle down and have a bunch of children.

>>723369560
If you go Fem Mystic you can drop Knight's secondary for Summoner (Golem with Knight's HP, Carbuncle) or Item.
Then instead of Iaido you can go Time Mage for even more support. You do damage with poles anyway.

>>723357159
>>723369325
Trvthnvke: FFT is a Final Fantasy-themed Tactics Ogre Matsuno made for Square, with lawful and chaotic routes being split into parallel storylines (Ramza and Delita) instead of branching story paths.
FFT has better music tho.

There's something really satisfying about how sandboxy the game is when it comes to its mechanics. If you see an enemy wearing something you can almost always steal it, etc.
I was catching rare swords from ninjas in deep dungeon but they only throw specific swords and specific levels. Want to level them down? Bring a mind flayer and drain their levels. Need them to level up? Cast berserk on them and let them hit you. Just about anything you want to do there's a tool for it in a job somewhere.

>>723356752 (OP)
>What's went wrong with FFtactic?
I bought it for 5 dollars on my phone lol. Why would I buy it again (and again since I bought it on ps1) for 50?

>>723357264
>I've played 1.3 and other total gameplay overhauls on a modded PS2
1.3 is great, but the revive spam makes me want to die. Also it crashes a few hours into the game when I play the mod on my actual ps1.

>>723370054
It has enough little systems to interact with that keep things fresh if you like experimenting. It's more suited for people that like replaying games to chill and fiddle around, think of self imposed challenges etc.
The crowd that will complain about Cid being OP is the crowd that can't not use him because they have to be "efficient".
Not that the game couldn't be balanced better by making better use of its systems, just that it's sadly not the case.

>>723356953
based grandpa

can you still play fighting games?

>>723369979
>with lawful and chaotic routes being split into parallel storylines (Ramza and Delita) instead of branching story paths
That makes a lot of sense

>>723356752 (OP)
The writing is the best Ive seen this year. Games blown me away in a way I didnt expect.

>>723367284
it's called the ps1 you fucking retard

>>723373770
Yes, but in 90s some gaming magazines and web sites called and shortened it PSX and that was before PS2 was even announced. After PS2 was announced, calling it PS1 became a thing. X was really cool and technic letter then.

>>723356752 (OP)
Zoomers will never understand hearing that ps1 start up theme and then instantly go into fmv opening of fft that sets up a brand new way to play jrpg. For most people it was the first time they played a srpg in their lives.

>>723373770
it was only called ps1 after the ps2 but it was called psx before the ps2

What were they thinking?

>>723374660
could be worse, could be assless jorts

>>723373770
>>723374004
>>723374606
the comment was referring to the name of the emulator in the picture, you milksop churls.

>>723356752 (OP)
You could show me 1000 graphical comparisons between the two versions from the sprites to the font but at the end of the day this game is 99% navigating menus so if the remake is better at doing that then it's the better version of the game.

>>723374660
it's a lot better than FFTA2 protag, now THAT was a joke

>>723375415
they even had pretty tame art for him and then there was just... that