Thread 723364107

Is cyberpunk good now?

>>723364107 (OP)
Unironically yes. I’m playing phantom liberty on my 5090 and I played the game on release too. It has massively improved.

>>723364107 (OP)
Yes. Although it's still a bit buggy.

No the core game is shit from gameplay to story

>>723364107 (OP)
No the gameplay is pretty boring. Every enemy is a bullet sponge

>>723364107 (OP)
No

>>723364152
i only have a 3060 so i'd probably play on my ps5

>>723364202
You can call the gameplay shit if you want but it has one of the best single player stories in a while. Faggot.

>>723364107 (OP)
Fuck no. This garbage will never be good. Idgaf how much you faggots like the anime.

>>723364235
no need to sign posts here we can already tell

>>723364290
destroyed that freak

>>723364235
When you're 10 years old and think pointless self-destruction is deep.

>>723364471
If that’s what you gleaned from the storyline then it’s you who is 10 years old

>>723364471
What part of the story is pointless self-destruction?

>>723364708
>no u
compelling

>>723364107 (OP)
I have my nitpicks but I like it a lot

>>723364748
Not that anon but there's very clearly a heavy theme throughout the game about how it's better to die in a retarded way if it makes you famous than it is to live a nice comfortable long life. This concept is brought up multiple times by different characters and from the way it's framed it's extremely obvious that the authors are trying to push the idea that going out in a blaze of glory is epic for the win and trying to survive and avoid trouble is lame and shameful.

>>723364107 (OP)
It’s decent, but it will never be truly good.

>>723364883
The plot is about what it means to be human and the passage of time. Thanks for the real answer though instead of that retard >>723364790

>>723364748
>that guy killed himself! now a drink at the bar is named after him! wowwie what a legend!
This story is actively repulsive to anyone who is not a subhuman

>>723364883
>Not that anon
You are that anon.
>there's very clearly a heavy theme throughout the game about how it's better to die in a retarded way if it makes you famous than it is to live a nice comfortable long life
The only people that believe that are the mercenaries at the Afterlife.

yeah just not on consoles

>>723364235
It’s not, it’s basically a story about some guy that dies but is resurrected by some retarded terrorist inside of a biochip he stole and they have to find a way to remove it before they both die. It constantly hints at and shows much more interesting shit yet you’re stuck with the lame pseudo race against the clock. It all felt very half baked.

Why is it that I enjoy a game like Mankind Divided or Prey far more than this game. Aren't they both futuristic immersive simulators? What's the deal with cyberpunk?

>>723364983
How extremely reductive and you still haven't said why this is bad considering this is from the point of view of criminals btw

>>723365071
I used the wrong word. I meant more the theme rather than the plot, which the plot is in service of the theme.

>>723365134
Rushed garbage that hasn't been patched enough times to not be rushed garbage

>>723365071
>It's not, it's basically [tells the main point of the story]
You know it's ok to not like the story of something because you just don't like it. You don't have to give a "half baked" reason why you don't like it.

>>723365070
modding community hasn't gone far enough yet honestly, there's some good stuff but mostly leaves a lot to be desired

this game is a spiritual journey

>>723365285
Cyberpunk got my feels more than any other game has in a long ass time.

>>723364965
There are multiple themes in cyberpunk 2077. There is definitely some themes about what makes you human and identity, like the entire sidequest for the driver AI and the SOMA-esque mind transfer stuff, and the entire thing with Johnny. But there also some themes about loyalty and revenge. And definitely a heavy theme about going out in a blaze of glory.

>>723365013
You're directly asked the question of if you would rather go out in a blaze of glory or live a long life before the prologue mission to get the chip by the handler. Then later you're pretty much forced into a situation where you're doomed to die and surviving is a long shot, to further push you towards going out in a blaze of glory. Then the final quest of the game where you choose your ending is pretty much directly choosing if you want to go out gloriously fighting the japanese fucks or sell yourself to the corp for hope of a cure. These are all echoes of the original question you get asked at the very start of the game. It's pretty non-subtle the way the same dilemma keeps getting shoved in the players face over the course of the game, not sure why you're trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

>>723364748
There is a whole theme where the “legends” of Night City have to die in order to become legends. Which is retarded because there are multiple legendary characters that are still alive that are considered legends. Rogue, Smasher, Morgan Blackhand, pretty sure Santiago, Spider, Shaitan are still doing shit. But for some reason the legends are all people that pushed themselves way too far and died. Like David or Jackie.

>>723365134
>immersive simulators
What does this even mean?

>>723364107 (OP)
It's passable, it was never going to be good.

>>723365362
I wasn't pretending it doesn't exist. I was asking what is wrong with it and you still haven't said exactly why. All you're saying is that it's bad because it's bad. You're not playing a saint in Cyberpunk. You're a thug from the very start. If you start as a streekid you're robbing a car, if you start as a nomad you're smuggling illegal goods. Idk what corpo does since I didn't play that route but you probaby doing something bad as well. I don't know what you are expecting.

>>723365342
If you have ever had to deal with someone change from dementia and die from it this game hits hard.

>>723365264
It’s both, the story rushes you through so much. You just jump six months from the start after meeting with Jackie, that’s time that you could have established yourself and met characters with V. Not to mention the shit with Johnny didn’t feel natural. Everyone talks about him like he’s this big figure but he was more or less just another name among the various mercs and it doesn’t help that the game somewhat plays into his delusions like how Saburo’s diary mentions a “JS” there is also the false timer that gives the impression that you’re dying yet it only happens at certain moments and gives a sense of immediacy that just isn’t there. Not to mention how arbitrary most of the elements are, you barely interact with the actual world or people. Gangs more or less just exist to be fodder, mostly getting fleshed out by other characters and logs.

>>723365616
I have. Alzheimer’s runs in my family. This game will always hold a special place in my heart despite its flaws.

>>723365134
because unlike cp2049, Prey is actually a good game

>>723365369
This whole "Legends of Night City" all stem from the Afterlife, no? It's like a club of mercs. It makes sense that in the beginning V and Jackie want to become legends considering they are doing the heist to get rich and famous. V and Jackie both didn't want to die there but it was possible that they would have and if they did it would be for a cause they deemed "worthy" rather than die in some mugging in an alley or old age.

>>723365362
I’ll give you that there are multiple themes but on my first play through and my current play though I just don’t agree that is a major theme.

>>723365552
I don't think it's bad. As I said before, I'm not even the same guy you talked to.
I do dislike how they really go out of their way to make the player look pathetic and spit on them in the corpo ending and everyone in the story seems extremely supportive of the player committing suicide. I don't think I can recall even a single person in the entire story saying that not dying and having a good long life is preferable, except for the initial first handler who ends up being a backstabbing prick.

So, what rubs me the wrong way about the story is that the authors present the question in such a one-sided way that it feels less like they're posing a philosophical question and more like they're trying to shame you into picking the choice they wanted you to.

>>723365204
But it presents them rather poorly, I mean the whole better to burn out than fade away shit is so on the nose and people can’t acknowledge that there is a happy medium between living a comfy life and being a balls to the wall suicidal retard. I mean Blackhand and other mercs were going on ops, raids, and other shit all the time and still managed to stay alive.

>>723365768
I get what you’re saying but my counter argument is that if this is true you can attribute it to the world of cyberpunk being so shitty and nihilistic you may as well go out and make a name for yourself before you die.

If you knew how to make a god like a.i. system would you do it? I've never been more conflicted in my entire life.

>>723365718
No the idea existed before that, and Atlantis was just the club prior that Rogue, Johnny, and all them hung out at. And becoming a legend isn’t the issue, it’s that to do so you have to die. Which doesn’t make sense for reasons I already pointed out.

>>723365640
Ok those are actual critisims thank you and I agree with some of them. I will say this about these points:
>Everyone talks about him like he’s this big figure but he was more or less just another name among the various mercs
It's been awhile since I have played but I remember in one of the missions you are talking with Johnny by his grave. There is no name, no marker, it's in some dump, and no one cares and he realizes this. Johnny was a rockstar who died trying to blow up Arasaka. People know him from those 2 things outside of what people who personally knew him obviously knew more about him like Rogue and Alt. But that was 50ish years prior.
>You just jump six months from the start after meeting with Jackie, that’s time that you could have established yourself and met characters with V.
I agree with this I didn't like that montage skip either.

>>723365754
>I don't think I can recall even a single person in the entire story saying that not dying and having a good long life is preferable, except for the initial first handler who ends up being a backstabbing prick.
I mean, most of the people you meet are kinda bad people, no? Either a part of some gang or merc for hire. Panam wants you to leave with her and go full nomad so that is like living a good long life I guess.

>>723365640
The way it shows a montage of your escapades with Jackie rather than letting you play it is really lazy and a weak point I will give you that

>>723365853
Again there are people that are legends that live well and don’t die on suicide runs. The issue is that it’s trying to portray something as being mandatory when there are multiple examples of that not being true. The whole thing feels forced.

>>723366134
Fair enough

>>723365942
>And becoming a legend isn’t the issue, it’s that to do so you have to die.
I don't get why this bugs you so much. Maybe it's just me but it fits the tone of the game. I only heard the whole "you have to die to become a legend" from Jackie and the tranny bar lady who names drinks after them. I don't remember theme being a central point to the game considering for most of the game you are fucking around with Johnny trying to get rid of the chip.

The one ending in Phantom Liberty were you get NUSA to fix you V fades into obscurity as a nobody and that is played like a bad ending.

>>723365898
It’s happening anyway. We’re hearing for a cyberpunk 2077 type world faster than you think.

>>723365958
>It's been awhile since I have played but I remember in one of the missions you are talking with Johnny by his grave. There is no name, no marker, it's in some dump, and no one cares and he realizes this
Yeah but as I said since they tried to give the whole unreliable narrator aspect to it the game plays into his delusions. Johnny is 100% making shit up, he was part of a B team that was to be a distraction while Blackhand and his team deployed the nuke, and he was cut in half by Smasher and soul killed by Spider. So Saburo mentioning him in any capacity feels weird since to him he’s just one retard from a raid fifty years prior. Which feels odd and reinforces Johnny’s version of events since Saburo was there when he was killed.

>>723366379
yeah i'm aware on how to actual make the damn thing. it's just a matter of doing it.

>>723366448
I would do it because if you don’t someone else will. Like a chinaman or Indian.

>>723366271
The whole thing with the game was accepting death and blazing forward. The game hints very clearly that no matter what V is going to die. And the Tower end is basically just saying “there you lived but at what cost” while the rest are varying degrees of inevitability dying but in better ways.

>>723366490
you make a good point. plus i wouldn't be to big of an asshole with an a.i. of that level of cognitive power.

>>723364107 (OP)
Yeah

>>723366408
Why wouldn't Saburo remember a guy from a team that blew up his tower? Also why would having an unreliable narrator be a bad thing?

>>723366534
I don't know, I like it. Not every game needs to have a happy ending to me. At no point in the game did I really think V was going to live considering the nature and atmosphere of Night City. I just didn't know how he was going to die.

>>723366762
Because he wasn’t actually important in it. Again Johnny was the B team used to distract security and let Blackhand and his crew do their thing and set the nuke. He was basically a rube that they let go nuts and he was immediately cut in half by Smasher who then used the opportunity to call out Blackhand on a 1v1. He’s only an engram because Spider managed to soulkill him before he died. Saburo should give more of a shit about Blackhand than some random guy that was immediately btfo on a raid. It’s like caring about one of the nameless mooks you kill on the street.

no because there's still no Panam foot massage minigame

>>723366884
It’s not about a happy ending, it’s about presenting something in a believable manner. The idea that once needs to die and that death is the prerequisite when there are so many examples that show it as not being the case is prerequisite and how it translates into the story itself.

>>723364107 (OP)
yea, only took 2 years

I've played it for around 6k hours, multiple playthroughs, modded and unmodded. I'm not going to recommend it, but it's one of my favorite games.

>>723366952
It makes sense to me that Johnny who is in your head would make himself the star of the show with his giant rockstar ego.

>>723367004
>he didn’t install the Panam foot fuck mod

>>723367112
Could you say that V and Jackie and similar mercs of Night Cities underbelly have a warped view on these legends? Sort of a never meet your heroes kind of way where the stories are not as true as they are in reality?

>>723367243
Sure, but again why would people that are outside of your head reinforce that? Especially a guy that is so far beyond anyone else that he is functionally immortal depending on what ending you pick.

The fact that cyberpunk would spur this kind of discussion on /v/ at all shows you that it’s a good game with a good story. Nobody will be talking about battlefield 6 or fucking Pokémon 47 in 5 years.

>>723367321
But it’s not just them that think that way. It’s how the legends themselves are made. This has been pointed out multiple times.

>>723365134
While MD is half-cooked in a lot of ways, the visuals and character dialogue writing are very well done. While it wasn't super dark or serious, it felt dangerously close to being possible in the near future. Whereas 2077 is zany colorful hollywood actors speaking rapid gibberish and your cell phone is going off 24/7. I'll never forget that one webm where someone had like 4-5 people calling them all at once.
In MD you'll get maybe one dialogue and a menu warning if you lock yourself out of a sidequest and that's it.

Also the "I never asked for this" difficulty was a ton of fun to play thru (with no alt-f4's etc) where normally I hate tryhard difficulty stuff

>>723367375
This is such an awful cope because you’re using people picking something apart as a measure of quality. That’s like saying that a car is good because people frequently talk about how it falls apart constantly and gets poor mileage.

>>723367375
no, it means the game has some good stuff but also absolute ass dealbreakers. Pokemon is just ass in comparison, but that's a game for toddlers

>>723367439
Except people don’t do that. It’s like blade runner, a 100% style over substance movie that people discuss 45 years later.

>>723367375
Nope, there is one autist that makes these threads constantly, that isn't a sign that the game is good. Means nothing. I love the game but I absolutely disagree.

>>723365134
Prey is fucking Kino

>>723367519
>Except people don’t do that
It’s an analogy don’t be obtuse.
>It’s like blade runner, a 100% style over substance movie
You’ve never seen Bladerunner have you? Bladerunner presents a question of what it means to be both human and alive due to how despite the replicants not being biologically human they still experience and act nearly identically to us not to mention the question of whether Deckard is actually a replicant or not.

>>723367751
I’ve seen blade runner probably more times than the years you’ve been alive and that’s exactly the same theme as cyberpunk

>>723364107 (OP)
It's the same game it was at launch, just less buggy. Retards who are saying that there was some huge change have no idea what they are talking about.
It's equal parts amazing and shit, which is a combination you normally don't get.

>>723367818
This, Cyberpunk hasn't been a unique setting for a long time. Even William Gibson said he was sick of it.

>>723367879
Kind of reminds me of EYE Divine Cybermancy. Amazing game, but also pretty shit. People used to worship that game as some kind of cyberpunk cult classic.

>>723367343
>Sure, but again why would people that are outside of your head reinforce that?
Who? Saburo just says in his one line that he remembers JS and almost forgot about him.

>>723367818
No you haven’t, you already showed that by saying it was style over substance. And when called out you just doubled down jumped to a generic cope instead of giving a counter.
>that’s exactly the same theme as cyberpunk
Show me the replicants in Cyberpunk? Show me how the main theme of this game is what it means to be human and how artificial humans are a main factor in it.

>>723364107 (OP)
It always was

>>723368161
Why would he bring him up at all. And he didn’t almost forget him, what are you talking about?

>>723368330
On its face it is a simple plot layered with cool visuals.
>Show me the replicants in Cyberpunk?theme and plot are not the same thing anon

>>723368437
Except it isn’t and I literally said how it isn’t. Yet again you have nothing. Aside from certain aesthetics the two plots couldn’t be any different. I don’t know why you’re doubling down on such an awful cope after showing you don’t know what you’re talking about.

>>723368390
>DIARY (117-121/77) The faces of old enemies are suddenly thrown into relief. Even J.S. - I almost completely forgot about him.

>>723368578
I’m going to say that you’re purposely acting obtuse because you know you can’t argue what I’m saying. Him remembering him at all makes no sense because Johnny was not a big part of that raid, he was not the star, he was not the guy that did any damage, he was just another casualty. So the fact that it’s him and not say Morgan Blackhand is what is the issue. And that’s what I have pointed out multiple times.

>>723368702
You're being obtuse now. He says "Even JS" because he almost completely forgot about him. That's how unimportant he was that he slipped Saburos mind. Whose to say he's not thinking about Morgan? After all the whole thing was pinned on Johnny as Morgan is practically a ghost. Your contention is that Saburo remembers Johnny. This is such a non issue in the grand scheme of things.

>>723364107 (OP)
it's fine
we're never getting the second coming of Christ they were promising pre-release though

>>723368937
>You're being obtuse now
Oh wow “no u” don’t be a sperg.
>That's how unimportant he was that he slipped Saburos mind
Yet he mentioned him specifically and no one else.
>Whose to say he's not thinking about Morgan
Do you have proof that he is? Because he doesn’t mention him at all or anyone else aside from Johnny. But I guess you’ll just craft another cope to say he’s totally thinking of him.
>After all the whole thing was pinned on Johnny as Morgan is practically a ghost
No it fucking wasn’t, everyone knew Militech was behind the raid and that Blackhand was involved especially since Smasher survived the face off.
>Your contention is that Saburo remembers Johnny. This is such a non issue in the grand scheme of things
It’s not for reasons I have stated and that you have been unable to argue so you’ve just danced around it while acting obtuse like a child.

>>723369201
>No it fucking wasn’t, everyone knew Militech was behind the raid and that Blackhand was involved especially since Smasher survived the face off.
That is incorrect. This is the official in game data entry for the event
>The only undisputable fact in this story is the date, 20th August, 2023 – the day a nuclear explosion obliterated Corpo Plaza and a large chunk of City Center. The rest is pure speculation, gossip, lies and conspiracy theories, all the way from the number of casualties to those responsible for the attack. The most famous version – widely disseminated by corporate PR machines and trickled down through the media – tells of an unidentified terrorist group that was responsible for an armed assault on Arasaka Tower followed by the explosion. But does anyone really take corporate press releases seriously anymore? Take some of the more intriguing theories circulating on the streets today – that it was an inside job in an attempt to escalate the conflict between Arasaka and Militech followed by an elaborately orchestrated cover-up, or the results of a failed experiment that spiraled out of control in a secret lab somewhere under Arasaka Tower. How much of it is true? Most likely we'll never find out, and even if we did, it wouldn't bring back the victims of the tragedy.

>It’s not for reasons I have stated and that you have been unable to argue so you’ve just danced around it while acting obtuse like a child.
Arguing? You're raging for no reason. I'm trying to understand your deal. You're acting like Johnny was a nobody when that isn't true at all. You're acting like Saburo casually remembering Johnny is some revelation playing into Johnny delusions. He still led a team. He was a part of the operation. Sure he wasn't "the main guy" but he was still important not some bum off the street. He's remembered as a terrorist who sent out a manifesto.

>>723364235
>you are on a deathclock but here do all these sidequests and have wacky antics
it ruins the immersion. game would have been better with out the main storyline

>>723364107 (OP)
only good the first adventure. doesn't deserve "new game"

>>723364883
I think you missed the point. The point is that life in Night City is so fucked up that barely anyone is able to lead a long and comfortable life - if you keep your head down and avoid trouble or taking risks, you will spend your entire life slaving under a coporation that will treat you as a completley disposable asset, no matter how high up the ladder you climb. You can do everything right for your entire life and still lose it all for some bullshit reason, or just get killed in a street crime. And no matter how well you do, it's almost certain that your quality of life is only going to get worse as time goes by.

Alternatively you can say fuck it, take risks, become a merc, cause the corps problems and make enough money to actually live a little and do what you like. The trade off is that you are almost guaranteed to die before you get to middle age.

>>723369456
This is contradicted by the fact that it was a Militech strike force that was led by Blackhand which planted the nuke and they would have 100% have known that given Smasher survived the assault. Not to mention they were literally at war with Militech at the time.
>Arguing? You're raging for no reason
This another cope you’re using to avoid arguing the point because you can’t.
>You're acting like Johnny was a nobody when that isn't true at all
He was though in the grand scheme of what was going on especially when compared to Blackhand and the others. But you have nothing to show that isn’t the case so you’re just doubling down and pretending that it makes sense that Saburo mentions him and no one else.
>You're acting like Saburo casually remembering Johnny is some revelation playing into Johnny delusions
Because it is for reasons that have been stated which you can’t argue. So you’re just repeating yourself like a child and projecting your own histrionic behavior onto me. Look, if you like the game that’s fine. But don’t mindlessly defend shit because of that. If you have to resort to repeating the same thing over and over and ignoring what people say and playing dumb just to get by, then it’s clear you’re wrong. Get over yourself.

>>723369819
This is how I view it. Living a long comfortable life in Night City is not in the cards for most people in NC. In that one mission with the depressed cop mentioning his friend "Andrew" V is shocked that someone could live and die of old age (before at the end of the quest realizing he's talking about his fucking turtle)

>>723370081
I have given two sources directly from the game about Saburo and Johnny and the event and you are still "doubling down" in your own words. Maybe you're confusing the game with the tabletop rpg? I dunno, but clearly you don't know what you're talking about and I've already wasted over an hour talking to you. So pointless.

Funny how you keep repeating calling me a child when you're whole argument this whole time has been repeating "hurr durr why does saburo remember johnny hurr" when I've already told you. You're hopeless.

Cyberpunk is mediocre at everything it does, it doesn't know what it wants to be.

GTA? Deus Ex? Fallout? VTMB?

What exactly?

>>723370362
Yes well this is genuinely the biggest problem the game. Overall I think it's alright and the story is worth a playthrough, but I really had this feeling that it was like 4 or 5 half finished games barely holding a coherent experience together.

>>723370362
It's a looter shooter, like Borderlands or Destiny, except it has a good story.

>>723370325
>I have given two sources directly from the game about Saburo and Johnny and the event and you are still "doubling down" in your own words
One source backed up what I said, and the other is contradicted by basic logic and information. For fuck sake they flew in on a Militech helicopter and were part of a raid by a Militech strike force and one of their mercenaries survived the encounter with the leader of said strike force. People not knowing who was behind it is absurd. But you can’t acknowledge this so you just have to keep doubling down, and it’s gotten so bad that you can only cry “no u” do you think this is how functional adults behave? Are you a child? Fuck even teenagers don’t act like this.
>dunno, but clearly you don't know what you're talking
Aside from all the examples I have given that show I do. And you have to ignore since it would mean you’re wrong and you can’t handle that.
>Funny how you keep repeating calling me a child when you're whole argument this whole time has been repeating "hurr durr why does saburo remember johnny hurr"
Okay, it appears that you’ve devolved so much that you’re just crying about the argument itself and are incapable of presenting an actual counter. I’ll take that as your concession and be here to escalate your temper tantrum.

>>723370589
>you have plot cancer aids in your head
>it's totally killing you, but take your time exploring and sidequesting
Thanks, I hate it. Imagine my shock when I booted up BG3, and it did the exact same shit.

i thoroughly enjoyed dogpilling it when it first launched, but one of the threads here convinced me to play it, and i really enjoyed it, its actually one of my favourite story games to date. luckily for me i dont listen to /v/ anymore

I just came here to shit on the most overrated anime of history

Who knew cdprojekt would expose microsofts weak gpu and failed vrr implementation, talk about egg on ur balls

I liked it but it’s one of those games that felt almost fake immersion if that makes sense at a closer look it’s a pretty straight forward game with not a whole lot to do

>>723372485
>I just came here to shit
Good morning, saar!

Cyberpunk is only good after having watched the anime

>>723375245
They killed Becky

>>723364107 (OP)
no
you can't take a steaming pile of shit, sprinkle some glitter on it and say "it's good now"

>>723364107 (OP)
It’s considered somewhat decent now because people’s expectations for the game were lowered to the correct level, CDPR overhyped this game way too much and that’s one of the main reasons it was hated at launch other than the horrible bugs