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Anonymous No.723375023 [Report] >>723376107 >>723376167 >>723376328 >>723378389 >>723378534 >>723378736 >>723378757 >>723378817 >>723378827 >>723379379 >>723380541 >>723384929 >>723384987 >>723385120 >>723385153 >>723385613 >>723385858 >>723385987 >>723386303 >>723386963 >>723387131 >>723387942 >>723388530 >>723391943 >>723391976 >>723392804 >>723393185 >>723395563 >>723396242 >>723398336 >>723398543 >>723403942 >>723404230 >>723406171 >>723406276 >>723410237 >>723410508 >>723413001 >>723415774 >>723416137 >>723416805
Would most planets in the universe really just be barren wastelands devoid of life or resources or gas giants?
Anonymous No.723375308 [Report] >>723386167 >>723388257 >>723388401 >>723413147
It's literally impossible to tell what's out there. We just don't have the technology.
Anonymous No.723376107 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Yes
Anonymous No.723376167 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
yeah
earth is a good game but all the expansion are dogshit idk what god was thinking
Anonymous No.723376328 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
One, they're not barren. Depending on their distance from the star, they'll be of different compositions and may still be active. Two, technology advanced life in the galaxy is minimal, but in the entire universe is much more likely.
Anonymous No.723378389 [Report] >>723387268 >>723415540
>>723375023 (OP)
chances are pretty good that life is all over the fucking place, or on the order of every single solar system that can possibly support it. and it depends on what "resources" you care about. water is a resource. water will be around every single star in some fashion. uranium and transuranides? not so much
Anonymous No.723378534 [Report] >>723385173
>>723375023 (OP)
Theres tons of life in ME. Planet surveys sometimes make mention of microbiota or plankton like organisms on planets, or some planets you land on actually have weird bugs or ungulates wandering around. Then theres the various races.
Anonymous No.723378736 [Report] >>723379009 >>723389404 >>723396793 >>723412351
>>723375023 (OP)
It's a statistical inevitability that there's life out there SOMEWHERE. We've only seen barren rocks and gas giants. There's a lot of those going around. We have no solid estimate of just how rare or far away this extraterrestrial life, intelligent or not, may be.
Anonymous No.723378757 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
All planets would have tons of various resources. Pretty much every star system has a few gas giants and rocky planets. There's probably not life in the places that we've detected so far because the environments are so extreme however.
Anonymous No.723378817 [Report] >>723406128
>>723375023 (OP)
Well let's look at our solar system. Aha, only one planet with liquid water and a habitable atmosphere. Oh and we haven't detected any others either, anywhere. Guess it's barren worlds for you!
Anonymous No.723378827 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Sorry, but cattle aren't allowed to leave the pen. Stay on Earth where the elites can control every part of your life.
Anonymous No.723379009 [Report] >>723379096 >>723416874
>>723378736
>statistical
>inevitability
>We have no solid estimate
would it kill you people to not use words as if you are retarded, it's LITERALLY killing me
Anonymous No.723379096 [Report] >>723379610
>>723379009
>of just how rare
it would behoove you to proceed reading before a reply my good xir
Anonymous No.723379379 [Report] >>723380320
>>723375023 (OP)
The one major flaw with Mass Effect's setting related to your post is that it takes place less than 200 years from now, and the ability to warp from relay to relay was only discovered 40 years before the events of the first game, yet humanity has colonized and terraformed hundreds of worlds.
Anonymous No.723379461 [Report] >>723386102
>having a blue star would be so cool
>realize they die way faster then our sun so life has no time to develop
Anonymous No.723379610 [Report] >>723380687
>>723379096
"statistical inevitability" and "it is not impossible" are not equivalent statements you silly goose
Anonymous No.723380320 [Report]
>>723379379
>colonized and terraformed hundreds of worlds.
Colonized as in, a hundred people per planet. Pretty much what happened in the Americas.
Anonymous No.723380541 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
we think we know but we don't
Anonymous No.723380687 [Report] >>723381482 >>723392097
>>723379610
thats probably why he used the former. Unless you think there is some limit to existence, why wouldnt there be life somewhere else? Because the gods made us and only us? if life is created and becomes complex under certain conditions then those conditions have to exist somewhere else in the countless other star systems
Anonymous No.723381482 [Report] >>723385819 >>723386025
>>723380687
hey anon, how exactly were statistics used to get to the "there's life out there SOMEWHERE" point? because as far as i know, we've found nothing in the dark beyond so far, which would mean "there is no life outside of solar system" is not merely true, but a position backed up by a gorillion-to-one probability derived from the current observations

>inb4 muh representative sample
well what is gonna be representive of the whole damn universe? much less something we can actually observe?
that's my issue, not the notion of aliens or whatever the fuck, i don't like it when statistics are invoked in a stupid way (like what i did in the first paragraph), and so i bitch and screech about it
Anonymous No.723384929 [Report] >>723386981
>>723375023 (OP)
We'll never know because the world powers are more interested in asserting their domain over fractions of this rock we call home, sniffing their own farts and wiping their own asses with the government budgets to waste away their personal, insignificant 80-90 year existences instead of investing in the resources, the research, and the technology that could potentially propel humanity across the stars.
If the people with the money gave a single shit about the universe we live in, we could've been exploring the cosmos by now.
Anonymous No.723384987 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
if the universe is infinite then there are infinite planets with life
Anonymous No.723385120 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Earth is the only planet with life and non barren
Anonymous No.723385153 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Yeah, there was a one in a billion quadrillion gorillion chance for life to exist in an oasis somewhere, and only us and niggers came out. pretty sad all things considered
Anonymous No.723385173 [Report]
>>723378534
wooooow the hecking flavor text says there's plankton and shiet? why I'm real glad to know that now, because I already thought I was looking at so much fucking nothing!
Anonymous No.723385613 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Well, most planets would be barren in the sense that they'd be lacking any kind of flora (which would also qualify as life). Certainly wouldn't be lacking resources though, all kind of metals and gasses that could be mined, assuming the capability to do so. Hard to say though with intelligent life born out of a complex ecosystem, but it's happened at least once, so not literally impossible.
Anonymous No.723385819 [Report]
>>723381482
Maybe midwits cant understand the whole infinity thing when it comes to statistics. Im sure people like you will basedface when they find microbial life under the ice on europa.
Anonymous No.723385858 [Report] >>723386042 >>723386948 >>723387228
>>723375023 (OP)
I actualy wanted to develop a game about isolation on a moon like planet. Your only friends would be a few drones you can use to carry resources to different locations.
Anonymous No.723385987 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
>barren wastelands devoid of life
Life is probably exceedingly rare, based on what little information we have, yes.
>or resources
Everything is made of something, it's just a matter of whether you can find a use for it.
Anonymous No.723386025 [Report]
>>723381482
There's life on earth bro.
Anonymous No.723386042 [Report]
>>723385858
Idk how i'd make the gameplay loop engaging thougbeit.
Anonymous No.723386102 [Report]
>>723379461
getting hit by a solar flare would probably sterilize the surface of the planet
Anonymous No.723386167 [Report] >>723386283 >>723386550
>>723375308
We have the technology, our jewish elite are just too low IQ to have such grand ambitions like space exploration.
Anonymous No.723386283 [Report] >>723393236
>>723386167
Doesn't China have anti gravity drones?
Anonymous No.723386303 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Bro just look at our system, you have 1 decent planet, a handful of barren planets and moons and the rest are different types of hell.
Anonymous No.723386550 [Report] >>723388663
>>723386167
You WILL stay on Earth and you WILL let the Chosen People control every facet of your life or you WILL be punished.
Anonymous No.723386737 [Report] >>723386872 >>723388405 >>723389096
It's simple. The reason why we haven't found any other life is because we're the first.
The real questions we should be asking is how can we leave our ruins and artifacts as cool as possible for those that follow.
Anonymous No.723386872 [Report] >>723386984 >>723389096
>>723386737
that's a shitpost but given we're in the infancy of the universe around one of the earliest second gen star of our galaxy

it's probably a good explanation for the drake's quations
Anonymous No.723386948 [Report]
>>723385858
>I actualy wanted to develop a game about isolation on a moon like planet.
Too bad hideo kojima beat you to it
CreepyThinMan No.723386963 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)

Our solar system is shit, not a single inhabitable planet for us to conquer!!!FACT!!!
Anonymous No.723386981 [Report] >>723397859
>>723384929
No we couldn't, holy shit, physics laughs in the fucking face at how casual sci fi faggots are about exploring the galaxy. There is no fantastical warp drive, any journey to even the nearest star would likely take a century or two, and there is a 99.9999999999999999% chance that even if you go to a new solar system the only thing that'll be there are planets that will kill you the instant you try to walk on them. You yearn to go into the endless void and fucking die.
Anonymous No.723386984 [Report] >>723387250 >>723389093
>>723386872
Why is it a shitpost?
Anonymous No.723387018 [Report]
>extracting resources from barren rock
>extracting resources from barren rock covered by corrosive ocean aided by turbulent weather and dangerous microbial life
Anonymous No.723387131 [Report] >>723387209 >>723387239
>>723375023 (OP)
You need life to sustain life. Earth has plants to bind sunlight during the day which then gets released as heat during the night.
You also need biomatter to create biomatter unless you plant fucking lupins https://youtu.be/w-pT56a5ZUc
Mars for example has an issue where water gets frozen and then gets covered with dust so it primordial soup can't form.
Terra was just super licky to jumpstart that cycle.
Anonymous No.723387209 [Report]
>>723387131
Fuck me
Anonymous No.723387228 [Report] >>723387295
>>723385858
If you don't actually have gameplay in mind, write a book. It's a thousand times less effort and will probably be better reviewed.
Anonymous No.723387239 [Report]
>>723387131
>super licky
me when exposed armpits.
Anonymous No.723387250 [Report] >>723387457 >>723387515
>>723386984
no I meant this:
>The real questions we should be asking is how can we leave our ruins and artifacts as cool as possible for those that follow.

but yeah, drake equations assume "what is has always been" and shit, which would totally be correct if we were like in a 1 trillion years old universe

but we're around one of the earliest second gen star and only second gen stars can develop life, so we're not really in a random spot in the universe development, we are probably among the first around us, fermi solved
Anonymous No.723387268 [Report]
>>723378389
>transuranides? not so much
Thank God. Leave this woke crap out of the rest of the universe, thank you very much.
Anonymous No.723387295 [Report]
>>723387228
That would just be The Martian tho.
Anonymous No.723387457 [Report] >>723387586
>>723387250
The Milky Way has 100 billion to 400 billion stars. Andromeda alone has over a trillion stars. That's a lot of potential for other solar systems with life to exist.
Anonymous No.723387515 [Report] >>723387781
>>723387250
How do you know we're second gen and not third or fourth gen?
Anonymous No.723387586 [Report]
>>723387457
Not if time is the limiting factor.
For a retarded food analogy you could have a trillion hunks of dough but the ones that started baking first will still be bread before the others.
Anonymous No.723387691 [Report]
Their are alien civilization with their own /v/s where they don't talk about blideo zames
Anonymous No.723387781 [Report]
>>723387515
They can measure how long stars live and how spaced apart the stars are too get a rough idea of the age of the universe.
Anonymous No.723387942 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Most probably yeah, but look at the Solar System. We actually have lots of different types of celestial bodies with liquids and clouds when you include the moons.
Anonymous No.723388257 [Report] >>723388381 >>723393521 >>723404185 >>723406582 >>723415352
>>723375308
We literally do have the technology. Scientists use spectroscopy to determine the composition of planets.
Anonymous No.723388381 [Report]
>>723388257
Anonymous No.723388401 [Report] >>723388452 >>723391000 >>723391048 >>723392131 >>723393309 >>723393882 >>723394415 >>723401567
>>723375308
There's an exoplanet survey with like 30,000 planets photographed and the only viable candidates are Trappist b and c, which might have small habitable zones.

Earth has Luna, a satellite with exactly the right orbit-volume for a stellar eclipse and the right orbit-mass to tidally lock us so we rotate like a hotdog under a lamp. Luna and Earth do not have the same composition and thus one was a captured rogue body.

So if you're looking for another planet like Earth, you're looking for:
-Rocky, rich in nitrogen and water
-In a yellow star's habitable zone
-Has captured a large rogue moon in a near-circular orbit and tidally locked to it
And I assume this is part of some neoliberal power fantasy where you've defeated God through logical reasoning and are doing this without His blessing and with a mixed race population. So good luck, I guess.
Anonymous No.723388405 [Report] >>723388856
>>723386737
All human radio broadcasts are a 200x200 light year square wide. That might as well be nothing compared to the size of the milky way.
Anonymous No.723388452 [Report]
>>723388401
I have AI fatigue.
Anonymous No.723388478 [Report]
Reminder that abiogenesis is still purely hypothetical with zero observed examples.
"Hypothesis" means that there aren't even any grounds to call it a theory, since there are no viable theoretical models for it.
Believing we're a cosmic accident is just that, a belief. They'll tell you it's scientific. It is not.
Anonymous No.723388530 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
No, every planet outside of our void has aliens on it and there is a giant multi-planetary union. We are the only isolated species.
Anonymous No.723388663 [Report] >>723389074 >>723391107 >>723391495 >>723391625 >>723391728 >>723409664 >>723410869
>>723386550
I mean, it's literally only the Billionaires who dream of colonizing the space. Think about it, even the word 'colonization' tells us a lot about the kind of people that want to do it. Only people with a colonialist mindset want to go to space and run away from our problems. In truth, we should stay here and rebuild our connection to Mother Earth like the Natives used to do before colonialism.
Anonymous No.723388724 [Report] >>723388974
what board am i on
Anonymous No.723388856 [Report]
>>723388405
200x200 wide of what? at 200 light years a 100MHz AM broadcast would have a dB path loss of ~380, with not much power to counteract it. Voyager 2 is currently being received at -170dBm from 21.1 billion km away, or 0.0022 lightyears. there's no chance in hell anyone is receiving anything at 200 lightyears, even with antenna the size of planets.
Anonymous No.723388863 [Report]
>More planets in the universe than grains of sand on earth
>More stars in the universe than grains of sand on earth
>Yeah there's only life on earf because we haven't seen life in our solar system nor been contacted by xcyglygips in space ships like a 1950s film.

I can get behind "advanced (IE what we are) life is exceedingly rare though. But I find the whole "WHy don't see see such civilizations spread throughout the stars" to be ridiculous when we are more advanced than we have ever been in history and guess what? Our population is declining. It's this constant fallacy to think of aliens in archaic human terms, hence that Hawkings bit of aliens visiting us will be like Spanish visiting the Aztecs, as if aliens are going to be gold-craving god-worshipping conquerors. India is not advanced enough to use fucking toliets but they are still advanced enough to conquer the Sentinelese - so why haven't they? We are advanced enough to go out and expell all the natives in Samoa and make it into some rich libertarian paradise, why haven't we?

Maybe because when Aliens get that advanced they stop needing or wanting to spread mindlessly like 1870s homesteaders.
Anonymous No.723388974 [Report] >>723389018 >>723402402
>>723388724
>Over 10 IQ thread actually discussing a Topic instead of vomiting garbage at the first opportunity
This thread Must feel like seeing an eldritch horror for the average modern/v/ user
Anonymous No.723389018 [Report] >>723389139
>>723388974
/v/ can discuss anything but videogames.
Anonymous No.723389074 [Report] >>723389818
>>723388663
Exactly. We, the real people, will let this planet burn and colonize a new one, and you, the slaves, will be left to rot. Rinse and repeat until we have consumed the entire universe. But even then, our greed will still not be satisfied, so we must then escalate to consuming the entire multiverse. We will kill all that exists in the name of pointless greed, and when evil has finally won, we will laugh.
Anonymous No.723389093 [Report]
>>723386984
due to the sheer amount of planets and stars and time frame involved, even if we only consider the formation of our own solar system as the "starting point" it is effectively impossible for us to be the only planet with complex life on it.

the rough estimate of how long our own species has existed is 200,000 years and of that there has been exactly 0 years of us building anything that another form of life could look at our star system and even extrapolate there is life here
Anonymous No.723389096 [Report]
>>723386737
>It's simple. The reason why we haven't found any other life is because we're the first.
>>723386872
>we're in the infancy of the universe around one of the earliest second gen star of our galaxy
That's always been my interpretation as well.
On the other hand, humanity progressed from raw animals to today in just a million years. The earth itself is 4 billion, if it missed even one of the cataclysmic events in our history, several species could have gone from animals to civilization to collapse before humanity ever rose.
On the gripping hand, our industrial base is predicated on fossil fuels which are completely non-renewable. They only exist because microbes that break down plant matter didn't exist when all that plant matter died and got covered in sediment and pressure for a billion years. It's literally impossible for new oil sources to be created today.
So if we collapse any species that comes after us is going to have an uphill battle to industrialization.
Anonymous No.723389139 [Report]
>>723389018
Not anymore. Most threads are bot and shartykids infested garbage, you could obtain more entertainment from plowing a power drill Through your skull than reading most of /v/
Anonymous No.723389404 [Report] >>723389554
>>723378736
The big problem I see is even if there's life somewhere, it's clearly VERY uncommon to the point of being a statistical anomaly. I wonder if we can even reach any other planets with life or if cosmic expansion and the speed of light will make that impossible without some way to bend space.
Anonymous No.723389554 [Report] >>723389934 >>723390412 >>723394309
>>723389404
If biological life has the same restrictions as ours then interstellar colonization just isn't going to happen.
We're clearly just a springboard to get artificial life off the ground. That's not going to solve the STL communication issue (so coordinated empires will never happen) but at least they can survive an interstellar trip without having to bring an entire living biosphere with them. Machine life might even prefer completely barren worlds without life or even water.
Anonymous No.723389818 [Report] >>723390382 >>723391721
>>723389074
Life really is a disease. Good thing the Sun is going red dwarf mode to exterminate this stupid rock. Nature always finds a way to solve its problems
Anonymous No.723389934 [Report]
>>723389554
There's quite a few other alternative forms of biochemistry that are theoretically possible and would have better characteristics than us for the purposes of spacefaring.
Even artificial life assuming we manage to make general intelligence AI has a large set of problems in terms of feasibility. You can't just take a standard CPU and battery into space, both need to be radiation-hardened because cosmic radiation is a real problem. Generally speaking, that means the whole thing has to be encased in lead, run at very slow speeds, and have multiple CPUs doing the exact same thing as a parity check.
Anonymous No.723390382 [Report] >>723390840 >>723393178 >>723398957
>>723389818
red giant anon. then after that white dwarf

in 5.4 billion years but long before that in 0.5-0.8 billion years plate tectonics will stop which might wipe out plants due to a loss of co2 and ozone.
then in 1-2 billion years the sun will get about 10% brighter which will slowly boil away the oceans and in 3.5-4.5 billion years increase by 40% causing the earth's surface to become molten rock.
Anonymous No.723390412 [Report] >>723390597 >>723391090
>>723389554
Machine life always strikes me as more fragile than organic life. The communist blobs We call multicellular organisms have problems in space, but all it takes to kickstart life anywhere is one pesky bacteria that evolved a resistance to the environment.
Inorganic components don't fare as well in Space as much as organics, unless they're Specialized for space, then they're going to need to survive space for generations, millions of years, a time scale no machine made was supposed to do. Meanwhile that fucking bacteria already has features Grey goo events dream of.

The best take would still be ark ships that can self sustain both with life and with machinery to cover each other, and It should consider long term evolutionary events because time scales are so long in space. Humanity will never escape Earth simply because by the time they reach another planet they'll be another species from sheer evolution.
Anonymous No.723390493 [Report] >>723390978 >>723391117 >>723403020
Outer space ismt real. There is no other planet you can go to. There is a Filament above
Anonymous No.723390597 [Report]
>>723390412
because it isn't life. there is no machine life. there's machines, and there's life, but as long as machines are made through artificial processes and aren't "grown", it can't be called machine life. it's inherently fragile because machines are made purely externally, with only redundant hardware added to make them more robust. they cannot self-repair, outside of specific cases like self-sealing fuel tanks. machines cannot be considered life until they can, and at that point they may prove very resilient in space, unlike anything based upon organic chemistry, provided they also won't use organic chemistry.
Anonymous No.723390840 [Report] >>723393178
>>723390382
>humanoids have only existed for 0.002 billion years
>half a billion to go
we've got this. git gud you dinosaur shits.
Anonymous No.723390978 [Report] >>723391117
>>723390493
This, people should stop believing satanic lies about "outer space"
Anonymous No.723391000 [Report] >>723393882
>>723388401
>Luna and Earth do not have the same composition and thus one was a captured rogue body.
I thought the moon and earth have quite similar compositions which is why the prevailing theory is that the current earth and moon were formed from two planets colliding
Anonymous No.723391048 [Report]
>>723388401
Earth isn't tidally locked to the moon you silly goose. And the moon was not necessary for the development of life.
Anonymous No.723391090 [Report]
>>723390412
These ark ships better be extremely efficient and have everything they need for a long fucking time. There's no stopping to mine or collect fresh materials in the interstellar void.
Anonymous No.723391107 [Report] >>723391215
>>723388663
>In truth, we should stay here and rebuild our connection to Mother Earth like the Natives used to do before colonialism.
Unironically kill yourself that stuff about the noble savage is bollocks
Anonymous No.723391117 [Report] >>723394823
>>723390493
>>723390978
read the jew book, don't ask questions about the world, have faith in the jew on a stick who died for your jewish sins
Anonymous No.723391215 [Report]
>>723391107
you swallowed that hook so deep i don't think it can be removed safely

sorry bud it's for your own good
Anonymous No.723391495 [Report]
>>723388663
>adam something watcher
opinion discarded
Anonymous No.723391625 [Report]
>>723388663
>even the word 'colonization' tells us a lot about the kind of people that want to do it
Literal brainrot
Anonymous No.723391721 [Report]
>>723389818
It is the destiny of the elites to bring about the end of all things for no reason except "Because."
Anonymous No.723391728 [Report]
>>723388663
>think about it, even the word 'colonization' tells us a lot about the kind of people that want to do it
god you people are retarded
Anonymous No.723391943 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
We have no idea if there are borders around(?) the (observable) universe, what 'time' is, if physics holds true in other parts of the universe and if there are or aren't other dimensions as in planes of existence. We have no idea why we are able to 'think' or where memories or 'consciousness' stems from.
Anonymous No.723391976 [Report] >>723392004 >>723392034 >>723392158 >>723392612 >>723393814 >>723395401 >>723403293 >>723410462
>>723375023 (OP)
I understand that we humans can't comprehend just how vast our solar system is, let alone the universe and that this question is a very crazy hypothetical. but how would you guys feel if Earth was in fact the only planet in the entire universe to have life?
Anonymous No.723392004 [Report]
>>723391976
paranoid
Anonymous No.723392034 [Report]
>>723391976
A little disappointed but nothing major.
Anonymous No.723392097 [Report]
>>723380687
>have to exist somewhere else in the countless other star systems
There are countless cells in your mum's body, at least some of them must have my DNA.
Anonymous No.723392107 [Report] >>723392725
I watched a video that explained that other galaxies are drifting away from us faster than we’ll ever be able to travel to them without some bullshit sci fi teleportation technology. So even if we could master survival in space and find other habitable planets, we’ll never be able to travel to them.
Anonymous No.723392131 [Report]
>>723388401
why are jew worshippers so retarded
Anonymous No.723392158 [Report] >>723392192
>>723391976
It would mean we are literally the most special thing the universe has ever created
Anonymous No.723392192 [Report]
>>723392158
God has ever created*
Anonymous No.723392467 [Report]
>tfw you are the only flower in the desert
Anonymous No.723392612 [Report] >>723394108 >>723394136
>>723391976
If a human was somehow bestowed with the clairvoyance to know the universe mimus Earth was devoid of life, then well ok thats the end of discussion. But there are quintillions of stars in the galaxy and even more planets than that. And that number is just the highest one I can think of, it would be underselling it if anything.
Anonymous No.723392725 [Report] >>723395591
>>723392107
Did the video explain that's taking a lot of assumptions about expansion and how it will evolve?
Anonymous No.723392804 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
>Would most planets in the universe really just be barren wastelands devoid of life or resources or gas giants?
Out of all the planets, dwarf planets, massive asteroids, and moons in our solar system, only a single one has life on it, and even if those ocean moons had ocean life they'd still be barren shitholes. So yeah by this data the "majority" of planets in the universe should be devoid of all life. If they aren't then our solar system is just fucked.
Anonymous No.723393031 [Report] >>723393193 >>723393761 >>723394430
The fat that we haven’t been contacted by a space faring alien civilisation means one of two things:
1) space travel is literally impossible OR
2) we are very, very early in the age of life in the universe and by virtue of that alone we could very well be the only planet with intelligent life on it
Anonymous No.723393178 [Report] >>723393352 >>723394056 >>723402921
>>723390382
>>723390840
Imagine get to a point where we realise definitively that we’ll never be able to leave earth. What happens to the humans living close to doomsday? Do they all just suicide en masse?
Anonymous No.723393185 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
There aren't any planets outside of our solar system. We live in a simulation, and just like there's nothing outside the skybox in a videogame there's nothing outside of our solar system. Everything scientists "see" beyond it is just textures.
Anonymous No.723393193 [Report]
>>723393031
It could mean all kinds of things because it's attributing theories to a lack of evidence.
It could be as you say that space travel is impossible, or that we're first. It could also be because there's an intergalactic embargo on contacting non-space age life or that we exist in a sector of space that's a no go zone or that simply out instruments aren't actually good enough yet.
All of these are "viable" reasons for why we haven't found anything because it's in support of a lack of evidence not building off of any.
Anonymous No.723393236 [Report] >>723395713
>>723386283
Yes, and their rivers are made of milk and honey.
Anonymous No.723393309 [Report] >>723404454
>>723388401
>scientifically incorrect and invoking god in the same post
Never change /v/
Anonymous No.723393352 [Report]
>>723393178
only the small minority of smart educated people would care. normoids would just carry on living life believing that God will come back and take them all to heaven real soon any day now.
Anonymous No.723393521 [Report] >>723395128
>>723388257
>composition
>look this pixel has a similar rgb value like when we shrink down mars to one pixel
Anonymous No.723393665 [Report] >>723395301
Humanity has no need to go outside the reaches of solar system. At most, we will create automated mining drones and butcher nearby space, eventually causing Muv Luv scenario for some less advanced lifeforms.
Anonymous No.723393761 [Report]
>>723393031
The mere thought that WE are the ancient super advanced alien civilization is actually quite sad.
Anonymous No.723393814 [Report]
>>723391976
I'd say it's more evidence for simulation theory.
Planck length and other restrictions are just the precision level the simulation is restricted too. The parent reality that created us has far deeper precision, though more likely physics as a whole works differently too.
I could not answer why a higher universe would care to simulate a universe the size of ours just to put one species in it. I suppose it could be a long-term plan, like billions of years long. An experiment to see what a sapient species would do if they had free reign of the universe.
Anonymous No.723393882 [Report]
>>723391000
>>723388401
the exactly this, the moon's composition is remarkably similar to the outer layers of the earth and literally cannot have been formed by caption of a foreign object due to the regularity of the orbit
Anonymous No.723394056 [Report]
>>723393178
Life will find a way. Maybe there'll be an increase in suicides but the majority of people don't and won't think about it at all, they're too busy surviving day to day, as all animals do.
Anonymous No.723394108 [Report]
>>723392612
>And that number is just the highest one I can think of,
should have googled it instead. highest estimates are around 400 billion stars in the galaxy
Anonymous No.723394136 [Report]
>>723392612
the issue is kinda that we're dealing with incredibly low probabilities running up against incredibly high number of instances
but that we also have to exclude a large number of instances and that we repeatedly find that the solar system is in fact, not average, and as such we have no model for how the average solar system would react

one of the major issues is that (despite the name yellow dwarf) the sun is one of the larger stars in the universe, top 5% in size however despite this it is ridiculously stable in energy output

it's also got an unusually high metallicity even for a star it's generation and importantly, contains a fair amount of elements in exceedingly high abundance, the most notable of which being phosphorous which is a key building block to any form of biological life we can imagine
Anonymous No.723394309 [Report] >>723394496
>>723389554
Honestly none of the of the multicellular organisms are going to become space faring. We are too adjusted to the atmospheric composition of Terra to survive elsewhere. That and we are highly dependant of ruminants to produce us high quality food. Colonizing mars, let alone any other planet will remain a dream.
Anonymous No.723394339 [Report] >>723394418
We're the only advanced species in the universe. Stars still being visible is direct proof of that. Any advanced species would immediately encapsulate all stars or otherwise extinguish them to minimize entropy in the universe and thus extending the lifespan of the universe.

Even humanity will start doing so in a century or two. This is why we are alone.
Anonymous No.723394415 [Report]
>>723388401
why would a moon be a requirement for a habitable planet?
The real question is life comes from, because it surely was part of shaping the atmosphere.
earth could've been just as well a gas planet or a burning chunk of a star.
Anonymous No.723394418 [Report]
>>723394339
heat death is a theory, not a fact.
Anonymous No.723394430 [Report]
>>723393031
>we could very well be the only planet with intelligent life on it
yes
>we are very, very early in the age of life in the universe and by virtue of that alone
but not for this reason. we are a hair's breadth away from nuking ourselves into extinction. we've only been around for a few thousand years, a cosmic instant. imagine the odds of aliens existing a galaxy or two over, but only for long enough to develop WMDs and use them on themselves.
the vastness of time multiplies with the vastness of space. we are a pinpoint of data that has only been around for a blink of an eye and countless other civilizations could have came and went before we even picked up a rock and threw it
Anonymous No.723394496 [Report] >>723394639 >>723397956
>>723394309
aquaculture is pretty easy to do anon, you just need basic building blocks
the biggest hurdle will be getting enough phosphorous
Anonymous No.723394639 [Report]
>>723394496
thought you said agriculture is easy to do and I was gonna have to rip your head clean off.
Anonymous No.723394823 [Report] >>723395028 >>723395496 >>723411563
>>723391117
All past civilizations talked about flat world and a Filament retard, not just Christianity

Ironic you say dont ask questions about the world as you NEVER question what you were told about the world
Anonymous No.723395028 [Report] >>723395208
>>723394823
>i need to question basic physical facts like how the sun came up, because of people from thousands of years ago looking around them after shitting on the ground and saying 'looks flat'
Anonymous No.723395128 [Report] >>723401982 >>723404185
>>723393521
>so retarded he can't understand different shit reflecting more or less light
Holy shit, you fags really are braindead
Anonymous No.723395208 [Report]
>>723395028
>bro its basic cause authority told me so, why would I question them
lol hypocrite, go get your booster dont question them they know more than you!
Anonymous No.723395301 [Report]
>>723393665
at what point will we evolve to be giant rolling vagina monsters so we can properly muv luv other bitches?
Anonymous No.723395401 [Report]
>>723391976
It would change nothing. I'd feel a little disappointed, but there'd also be some degree of relief because finding other life could be more risky than anything, honestly.
Anonymous No.723395496 [Report] >>723395835 >>723398208
>>723394823
Sorry man, but the flat earth model just doesn't add up on a very basic level.
Barcelona to New York, 3400-ish nautical miles.
Cape Town to Sao Paulo, 3400-ish nautical miles.
Same travel time, 9 and a half days at 15 knots.
You can't reconcile this with the flat earth map.
Anonymous No.723395563 [Report] >>723395850
>>723375023 (OP)
We haven't explored any planet outside of Earth and Mars. We only have photos of Venus' surface, and every other planet hasn't had anything actually explore it. We've explored Earth inside and out save for the deepest parts of the ocean. We do not know what is on anything else and we know very little about Mars compared to Earth.
Anonymous No.723395591 [Report] >>723396713
>>723392725
I feel like a lot of people do not understand expansion. It's not like an additional meter of space is added now and then, it's like occasionally the existing length we'd measure as a meter becomes slightly longer.
Since light is a fixed speed, this means that eventually some areas of the universe will become unreachable if expansion is a thing.
Anonymous No.723395713 [Report]
>>723393236
No their rivers are giant dams which power the machinery which makes everything on the planet.
Anonymous No.723395835 [Report] >>723396007 >>723396291
>>723395496
>it doesn't add up even though I know nothing about it nor looked it up but authority scientist said its wrong
Anonymous No.723395850 [Report]
>>723395563
There's actually shitloads of unexplored land, or rather unrecorded.
Anonymous No.723396007 [Report] >>723396560
>>723395835
Spatial cognition on an elementary school level will tell you that this doesn't work outside of this one conveniently cherrypicked angle.
Anonymous No.723396242 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Far most of them. Only a few solar systems have Garden Worlds. But also, only 1% of the galaxy was ever charted in ME1~3 so there's probably hundred more species to find somewhere out there.

BioWare, of course, were completely ignorant of their own lore, and proceeded to move the entire franchise 600 years into the future and another galaxy just to justify 2 new species (which is really only 1) in Mass Effect Andromeda.
Anonymous No.723396291 [Report] >>723416501
>>723395835
And does a straight flight between Los Angeles and Rio de Janeiro cross the ocean or the fucking continental united states?
I suppose you'll tell me that the windows on the plane are TV monitors.
Anonymous No.723396560 [Report]
>>723396007
>no its heckin cherrypicked, no i have no arguments to present
Anonymous No.723396713 [Report]
>>723395591
with a hubble constant at 72km/s/Mpsec, the equivalent of over 22 kilometers has expanded between the Earth and the Sun since the time of Julius Caesar. it's an expansion of less than one millionth of an AU, but it means that across every 10 years, a football field's length is added between the Sun and the Earth. it's such a weak force that even microgravity around asteroids is likely to overcome it, but it's there.
Anonymous No.723396793 [Report]
>>723378736
>abiogenesis
>statistical inevitability
Anonymous No.723396960 [Report] >>723397152 >>723397423
just a note: there's not a single person on all of 4chan who genuinely believes in flat earth stuff
you're arguing with a troll

now if that's what you want to do, go ahead, just keep in mind you're never going to convince them because they don't believe in what they're saying to begin with
Anonymous No.723397152 [Report] >>723397423
>>723396960
Sorry, there was too much sensible and polite discussion going on, I was asked to bring it down a few notches so I figured flat earth shittery would be the easiest bait.
Anonymous No.723397423 [Report]
>>723396960
>>723397152
Shalom rabbi, us 4channers got the covid jab plus 9 boosters. Anyone who disagrees is a troll
Anonymous No.723397747 [Report] >>723400405
Realistically, even if actual alien life was discovered far away, there's little chance it'd be made public. Think what would follow a revelation that we found intelligent life somewhere. A global euphoric rush to find ways to contact them at all cost. And in the same way Exxon Mobil doesn't want you to think about alternative energy sources, a lot of other big players wouldn't want to provoke spending like that, where any investment is dubious and extremely long term.
Anonymous No.723397859 [Report]
>>723386981
>mind is massless because electromagnetic charge
>think of sun
>i'm already there
Anonymous No.723397956 [Report] >>723398313
>>723394496
Sure, but nutritionally it's quite poor. You can sustain yourself on fish but you need other things to thrive.
Anonymous No.723398208 [Report]
>>723395496
The earth is flat but the space is spherical geometry. Ever think of that?
Anonymous No.723398313 [Report] >>723401598
>>723397956
what are you talking about, fish are some of the most nutritionally complete foodsources out there. there are entire cultures that have survived primarily off of fishing with minor additions. if it weren't for fish, the majority of oceanic islands would be uninhabited.
Anonymous No.723398336 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Every single planet is going to have mineral resources, and microbial life on the majority seems highly likely
Anonymous No.723398543 [Report] >>723398831 >>723399217
>>723375023 (OP)
yes? over 75% of recorded stars are red dwarfs. Which means
>dim
>anything orbiting them is mostly tidally locked
>red dwarfs have the equivalent of manlet rage. very violent and prone to outburst of concentrated ionizing radiation

most of the cosmos is a dark and violent place. Even if you are in a normal star system all it takes is a supernova going off within 100 light years of (you) to cause an sterilization, not extinction, event
Anonymous No.723398831 [Report]
>>723398543
>red dwarfs have the equivalent of manlet rage.
KEK
Anonymous No.723398957 [Report]
>>723390382
in contrast human civilization is somewhere in 10 000 years while modern human monkey (homo sapiens) is somewhere around 300 000 years. 65 million years ago chicxhulub killed the dinos and allowed the ancestor of all mammals, including primates, a rodent sized creature, to frolic with freedom. All of this has happened in less then 1/10th of a billion years

Human apes will long have either died out or evolved into something completely different by the time that happens
Anonymous No.723399217 [Report] >>723399540
>>723398543
Could be worse, they could be brown dwarf stars
Anonymous No.723399540 [Report] >>723400009
>>723399217
>brown dwarfs account for only 13% of the star population yet somehow are responsible for over 50% of extinction events
Anonymous No.723400009 [Report]
>>723399540
Around brown dwarfs, never relax
Anonymous No.723400405 [Report]
>>723397747
Everyone should just stop thinking about a better world and let the rich torture them forever. That's the meaning of life: to amass as much power and money as possible, and use it to inflict suffering upon as many people as possible.
Anonymous No.723401567 [Report]
>>723388401
it's done through either spectral analysis or whatever the fuck it's called, or transit, not much you can gather from either of them
Anonymous No.723401598 [Report]
>>723398313
And the IQ of the average person in those tribes is...? They downsized as an adaptation
Anonymous No.723401982 [Report] >>723418425
>>723395128
so far, we have searched a shitton of world, and found none with the primary indicator that self-replicating molecules exist (a spectrographic shift from random simple molecular compounds to a single, far more complicated one, like Earth's shift from to DNA)
of course, the light from most stars reaching Earth is millions of years old or more, so who knows what we might find once we reach them
Anonymous No.723402086 [Report]
What if everyone else if 4d and we're stuck in 3d so we can't actually perceive what we're looking for?
Anonymous No.723402118 [Report] >>723402516
>tidally this
>tidally that
What is tidally?
Anonymous No.723402402 [Report] >>723402678
>>723388974
if you think this shit is 10iq you might st be 5iq nigger. worst space discussion I've ever seen.
Anonymous No.723402516 [Report] >>723403426
>>723402118
it means "you can Google this word and get the full specific definition within 1 second but you are a subhuman retarded loser"
Anonymous No.723402678 [Report]
>>723402402
>shitty space thread is still miles above anything modern /v/ can churn out
grim
Anonymous No.723402921 [Report]
>>723393178
>What happens to the humans living close to doomsday?
two types of nihilist etc etc
Anonymous No.723403020 [Report]
>>723390493
and past the filament? my cum.
Anonymous No.723403197 [Report]
Earth is a globe.
But space is still fake.
Anonymous No.723403293 [Report]
>>723391976
go back to working into spreading life to everywhere else so that we stop being the only planet with life? that's the entire purpose of being a stupid sack of shit running on shitty acid floppy disc ribbons
Anonymous No.723403426 [Report] >>723404174
>>723402516
Why does tide have any impact on anything?
Anonymous No.723403942 [Report] >>723404187 >>723404295 >>723407245 >>723413813
>>723375023 (OP)
To have intelligent technological life you need:
>strong magnetic field
>stable orbit
>star that isnt blasting gamma rays constantly
>get just the right amount of sun light
>get just the right amount of warmth
>Goldie locks level atmosphere not too thick, not too thing
>predictable seasons
>gravity isnt too deep to escape
>oxygen (fire) but not too much
>liquid water
>tidal pools
>a moon
>no asteroids
>no gamma random gamma ray burst.
>no disturbances in local star system
>the ability to maintain all of this for millions of years
>the ability to use tools
>the ability to harness fire (no underwaterkin allowed)
Theres more but you get the idea. Earth is very unique. We will never live on mars like earth simply because living on the surface means getting bombarded with radiation and we have no way to inject metal or speed up the core of a planet to induce stronger fields. We honestly have a better chance on Pluto or ganymede or Io but all of them have the same radiation problem but they at least are abundant with water.
Anonymous No.723404174 [Report] >>723404251
>>723403426
>why does [event that changes how THE MOST IMPORTANT SOURCE OF FUCKING FOOD AND RESOURCES IN THE WORLD WE'VE BEEN USING FOR 200000+ YEARS WORK] matter?
tides are very important. we don't live mostly on coastal areas for shits and giggles.
Anonymous No.723404185 [Report]
>>723388257
>>723395128
Anon we literally just learned that bacteria exists like 10 people ago. For you to have such extreme confidence in the current SOTA technologies and methodologies that everyone with a connected brainstem knows have massive gaps in provability is childish. The great hubris of laymen in believing unprovable claims from modern science is baffling given the scientific method's natural preponderance towards negative results.
Anonymous No.723404187 [Report] >>723405621 >>723405741 >>723406218
>>723403942
Why does it need to be tidal?
>liquid water
As opposed to solid water?
Anonymous No.723404230 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Every planet by definition has "resources"
Anonymous No.723404251 [Report] >>723404546
>>723404174
That's ocean. Why does it have to be a tide?
Anonymous No.723404295 [Report] >>723406218
>>723403942
>to have intelligent life you need:
>long list of shit that happens to be true for earth and earth based life
you're a lot dumber than you think
Anonymous No.723404454 [Report]
>>723393309
Unfortunately our retards are now farming out their stupid posts to Grok. Rest assured the ape in the chair is getting even dumber from it
Anonymous No.723404523 [Report] >>723407453
>Life really is a disease. Good thing the Sun is going red dwarf mode to exterminate this stupid rock. Nature always finds a way to solve its problems
Anonymous No.723404546 [Report] >>723405037
>>723404251
tides are what happen when the moon's gravity warps the water all over the planet a little bit. that little bit of change from being pulled by the moon being a fat fuck is enough to send life packing everywhere because the ocean is fucking huge. fish love using it to cross between water bodies. we eat fish.
Anonymous No.723405037 [Report] >>723405298
>>723404546
There are many places that have no tide and yet you can fish there as well.
Why is tide so important?
Anonymous No.723405298 [Report]
>>723405037
tides are what happen when the moon's gravity warps the water all over the planet a little bit. that little bit of change from being pulled by the moon being a fat fuck is enough to send life packing everywhere because the ocean is fucking huge. fish love using it to cross between water bodies. we eat fish.
Anonymous No.723405606 [Report]
Mini Neptunes are probably the most common, ironically something that isn't in our Solar System. Basically that translates to something between a rocky planet and Gas giant, usually with liquid or dense gas as its surface.

As for life, we honestly have no idea. All our research regarding looking for it is to assume we need basically another Earth, or at least something with Water, because that's the only life we know of, or if it's intelligent, it uses the same form of communication we do (radio).
Truthfully we have no idea of how adaptable life is, or if "ours" is the only way it can form. Hell, we aren't even entirely sure of how it originated on Earth. There are at least 4 candidates for life as we know it in our Solar System which would imply life is common, but for all we know life in various forms could be literally everywhere.
Anonymous No.723405621 [Report] >>723405890
>>723404187
?
Anonymous No.723405741 [Report] >>723405890
>>723404187
>as opposed to solid water
Yes, as opposed to solid or gaseous water you fucking idiot. The guy you're responding to is retarded but my god you need to take a break from arguing with people on 4chan.
Anonymous No.723405890 [Report] >>723406001
>>723405621
That's ice doofus.
>>723405741
That's ice or steam doofus.
Anonymous No.723406001 [Report] >>723406115
>>723405890
No anon, don't respond with a low-effort shitpost that couldn't make someone on shrooms giggle. Take a break for the day.
Anonymous No.723406115 [Report] >>723406289 >>723407134
>>723406001
>so devoid of humor he can't laugh at the silliness of saying "liquid water"
I think it's (you) who should take a break for the day.
Anonymous No.723406128 [Report]
>>723378817
If life did indeed (or can) form from geothermal vents, then there are actually a few moons of Saturn and Jupiter, and possibly even pluto that might harbor life. Most (almost certainly for the moons) of them are geologically active, and due to their subsurface movement/activity have liquid water oceans, all of which would be larger bodies that what Earth has. IF life can form from adapting their energy transfer from those vents, it could have formed, and maybe evolved to further adapt.
Anonymous No.723406171 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
I think life happens pretty much anywhere you have water that stays liquid for a long enough time. Id bet my life there is something swimming under the ice in Europa not much, but bacteria or something like tardigrades probably.
Anonymous No.723406218 [Report]
>>723404295
Earth is the only place we know has technological life. If intelligent technological life forms from chaotic, inhospitable places, we should have space faring neighbors in our own system. Life would be over abundant. But its not. Which leads us to believe its hard to form unless a long checklist is complete. Like a 1/1,000,000,000,000,000 chance.

Which would make sense. We cant detect any life because its so rare, the distance between 2 technological species is so great, even seeing their activity would take millions of years for the light itself to reach us. Chances are if we do see something, they very well might be extinct when we detect it.

One theory is that the universe is basically a graveyard and species dont try to make contact unless they are facing existential crisis and have no other hope. Meaning our universe could be an echo chamber of beings begging for help, dead before anyone could answer.

>>723404187
Tidal pools promote evolution onto land. A technological species cant be detected if they are underwater. No fire. No rockets.
Anonymous No.723406276 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Aliens exist. Trust me, I know.
Anonymous No.723406289 [Report] >>723406412
>>723406115
You got called out for forgetting that water can exist in all three primary states of matter and instead of remembering that this is an anonymous image board you are still arguing about it and trying to recoup respect that nobody ever had for you with """"clever"""" shitposts. It's severely embarrassing.
Anonymous No.723406412 [Report] >>723406758
>>723406289
Oh yes I totally forgot "the primary states", known as ice. Get over yourself little man. You take yourself way too serious.
Go have a drink of liquid water.
Anonymous No.723406582 [Report]
>>723388257
nigga do you not understand how massive the observable universe is in scale? we can only observe the tiniest fraction of it, and any observations we make are from light that's old as fuck and just now making it's way to earth
dumbass goofy ass nigga
Anonymous No.723406758 [Report] >>723406982
>>723406412
fuming
Anonymous No.723406982 [Report]
>>723406758
>wanna-be janny projecting
lol
seethe
Anonymous No.723407134 [Report] >>723409238
>>723406115
Liquid water is a term in science. Water can exist in several states. A planet could have water but only in its atmosphere. Or like the moon, only im frozen states in craters.

Just stick to being silly, its funny.
Anonymous No.723407245 [Report] >>723408269
>>723403942
>strong magnetic field
not required, there's no real reason why some other environmental factor couldn't block most UV and ionizing radiation.
>get just the right amount of sunlight/warmth
within very large margins; the Earth is currently near the innermost radius of its habitable zone and has been for a sizeable portion of its lifespan (proof: the majority of plants are pigmented to block the majority of the Sun's output)
>predictable seasons
>gravity isn't too [heavy]
why would life, or intelligent life, care about that
>oxygen but not too much
self-regulating and self-causing, as "proven" by life here
>tidal pools, a moon, no asteroids, no disturbances, the ability to use tools, the ability to harness fire
not required to be living or intelligent, as far as we know.

the biggie is "don't get blasted with a massive burst of ionizing radiation for very, very long times". the kinds that go right through a magnetic field. yellow stars seem to be the most stable and long-lived enough to give those conditions. the secondary is not getting bombarded by too massive objects (the size of half its planet or greater) too often, which may be helped by an outer Jupiter. the kicker is that the vast majority of exoplanets we've seen are Hot Jupiters, so anything but an outer icy (or Cold) Jupiter, but that may be due to statistical bias of huge really bright planets being the easiest to spot.

we just don't know, but it's safe to assume that the most disruptive to long-term inhabitation of any planet are unstable stars and massive collisions. everything else matters far, far less. even liquid water, seasons, no tidal locking doesn't really matter, it only changes the likelihood of life spawning in the first place.
Anonymous No.723407453 [Report]
>>723404523
when looking at troons he really isn't wrong thoughey
Anonymous No.723407870 [Report] >>723408512
How do you live knowing you’ll never see even 1/10000000000000000th of the splendor or mysteries of the universe?
Anonymous No.723408269 [Report] >>723409186
>>723407245
Its possible youre confusing life with technological life.

I liked the question about gravity. If a species cannot leave its planet, it will have a hard time creating a footprint in space. Its ability to become a space-faring species is limited, if not completely gone. Theyre permently limited by physics.
Anonymous No.723408512 [Report]
>>723407870
I instead look at what we see using our boundless imaginations and you made good use of yours already. The splendid universe is right here with us.
Anonymous No.723409186 [Report] >>723409731
>>723408269
technological life is life + time + opportunity. it's stupid to assume technology = fire and all the other stuff. we know about technological life even less than we know about life in general. there's millions forms of life, but only one form of technological life. lacking more research into the development of intelligent life, it's pertinent to assume that, given enough time, all life can eventually bear an intelligent species, and therefore all life is treated as merely a precursor.
even if a species cannot leave its planet, it doesn't matter. they can still communicate and can still send out radio communications, which is more than enough to satisfy the drake equation and for them to be discoverable.
Anonymous No.723409238 [Report] >>723409817
>>723407134
Anon already stated temperature was important. Just say H2O if you wanna sound scientific lmao
Anonymous No.723409664 [Report]
>>723388663
Wow awesome. Are you going to support slaughtering billions of indians and chinese to accomplish that goal? No? Then shut the fuck up.
Anonymous No.723409731 [Report] >>723411826
>>723409186
Thats fair, maybe im wrong and it can happen anywhere with enough time but right now, even on a 1 in a quintillion odds planet: earth, it billions of years, has only produced a single species that was able to leave the planet with technology.

If its rare in a place where KNOW it can happen, I believe advanced technology life needs to meet certain criteria to exist and its a long list.
Anonymous No.723409817 [Report] >>723409986
>>723409238
Liquid H20? or solid H20?
Anonymous No.723409986 [Report] >>723410436
>>723409817
Why the fuck did you use a 0 (H20) instead of a O (H2O)?
Anonymous No.723410237 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
It's clear that life requires very specific conditions to survive, and getting all those conditions in combination with long term stability is rare.
Obviously most planets are going to be barren. Probably most solar systems as well.
These problems compound themselves even further if you want ground dwelling animals. Let alone intelligent ones.
Anonymous No.723410436 [Report]
>>723409986
Its just a circle.
Anonymous No.723410462 [Report]
>>723391976
Kill myself because of no xenussy
Anonymous No.723410508 [Report] >>723410659
>>723375023 (OP)
space is fake. since it's fiction, they could just start making up whatever, but that would make the lie to heavy to keep up. so everything is just wasteland floating rocks. fascinating, but not too fascinating that you might actually do something violent to get there
Anonymous No.723410659 [Report]
>>723410508
Its more about rendering power. The computer slows down if every planet has to calculate in live time.

Also earth is just an instance and all lifeforms occupy the same place, at the same time.
Anonymous No.723410869 [Report]
>>723388663
>Adam something
This guy should have stuck to making autistic train videos instead of trying to grift on 40k fags.
Also he has a massive hate-crush on elongated muskrat and can never shut up about him.
Anonymous No.723411563 [Report]
>>723394823
Firmament
Jesus, at least be retarded correctly.
Anonymous No.723411696 [Report] >>723412756
sadly, there's nothing to do in space
Anonymous No.723411826 [Report] >>723413231 >>723413603
>>723409731
and there's an incredible amount of places for it to happen. exoplanet searches have lead to the discovery of at least one planet around almost every star surveyed, even around the ones that absolutely should not have any planets like 4-star systems, and that's only the planets that we can actually see; it's practically certain that there are several times more planets still lurking in the dark, much less planetoids the size of Ceres that could still also host some form of life. a sizeable majority of exoplanets found are "Hot Jupiters" that, for all we know, could each host multiple dozens of moons the size of planetoids, each of which could potentially be habitable enough for basic life (until it's sterilized out by the next solar eruption since Hot Jupiters are called that for a reason). it would not be even pessimistic to take the amount of stars in the galaxy and increase it by a magnitude to get the amount of planets, and assume half of them could host life. it's come to the point that papers exploring the chances of finding intelligent life disregard the "life" part of the Drake equation and look purely at the intelligent part, because that's the part we definitely don't know. chances are good that life is absolutely fucking everywhere, but may live too short a lifespan to actually grow up and send out detectable, recognizable signals, but we just don't know how long that takes, or how, or under what circumstances. the best we can hope for is for absurdly massive, obvious signs of civilizations like Kardashev 2 star-blocking solar swarms, which would be visible even from surrounding galaxies, and even those are "it's maybe aliens or it might be a fuckton of asteroids and dust, we just don't know"
Anonymous No.723412351 [Report]
>>723378736
>Assume that the ribozyme is 300 nucleotides long, and that at each position there could be any of four nucleotides present. The chances of that ribozyme assembling are then 4^300, a number so large that it could not possibly happen by chance even once in 13 billion years, the age of the universe.
>Fermi paradox
>Drake equation
Ya naw. God exists and we are alone in a sandbox that He created. We are the equivalent of video game characters for a Kardashev scale class III civilization that creates pocket universes for amusement.
Anonymous No.723412542 [Report]
What if there was life that could survive in deep space?
Anonymous No.723412756 [Report]
>>723411696
You could ride a horse in space.
Anonymous No.723413001 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Yes most planets would look like your picture with a Red Giant thats blasting everything within 3 light years with extremely high energy solar wind. And there would be plenty of galaxies completely uninhabitable because of the quasar inside of them frying every planet with atoms moving nearly the speed of light and light 600 trillion times brighter than the sun
Anonymous No.723413147 [Report]
>>723375308
I have the technology
Anonymous No.723413231 [Report] >>723413603
>>723411826
Yeah life is prevelant like microbes in asteroids, moons and atmospheres but I was mostly focused on advanced technological life.

Amoeba are cool but where are the alien babes? Why is advanced life so rare if microbes are everywhere? The universe is trillions of years old, they should be everywhere.... why not???
Anonymous No.723413603 [Report] >>723414550
>>723413231
>>723411826
Further the "theyre super advanced to see" makes no sense. We would expect to see some at the same stage we are, an early space age but we dont.

And radiowaves are a natrual phenomenon like fire. We dont replace nature we harness it. There are more sustained fires on earth now than ever before because it never stopped being useful. Radio-waves would be similar and if advanced life is prevalent there should be signals all over the place. But there arent. I believe in the "rare and vast" theory to advanced life. Its just so uncommon for 2 species to exist close enough to observe let alone for them to exist at all. Even if they can observe each other their ability to interact wouldnt be physically plausible or practical.
Anonymous No.723413813 [Report] >>723414334 >>723415616
>>723403942
>tidal pools
>a moon
I don't understand these ones.

A much bigger one you missed
>planetary rotation
If your planet is tidally locked to the sun then half of it will get cooked while the other half freezes. You need enough rotation to cook the planet evenly.
Anonymous No.723414334 [Report] >>723415064
>>723413813
>no tidal pools
>life remains water-based
>no fire, industry or rockets
>empires of dolphin and whale like creatures
>intelligent, but not technological
Tidal pools provoked life to evolve on land despite it being anhilated by deadly (at the time) uv rays. It was relativity safer than being eaten in the water. It was first shit like bugs and then eventually amphibians which evolved reptiles who had hard scales to deal with the sun. Im not a biologist but eventually mammals show up and then us, the only species to ever reach space.

Good point on rotation. A tidally locked world would be extremely unlikely to host technological life or worse, a planet that is spinning too fast and accreting its atmosphere into space.
Anonymous No.723414550 [Report] >>723414946
>>723413603
Radio waves would be hard to detect. They lose power with the square of distance and the distance is around 5 light years to the nearest star.
Anonymous No.723414946 [Report]
>>723414550
We would detect millions of years of radio waves unless they built a Dyson sphere in a few decades after inventing radio and if they are advanced like that they should be outputting radiowaves like a neutron star.

A better way to look for life is to look for unnatural elements in stars which there are a few candidates. It shows knowledge and is an undeniable sign of technological aptitude. They arent sure if its just an unknown phenomenon or if its being done by someone.
Anonymous No.723415064 [Report] >>723417051
>>723414334
Seems silly to assume that tidal pools are the only way life could move onto land.
Also there are Solar Tides as well as Lunar Tides. On Earth Solar Tides are around half has strong as the Lunar ones.
So you'd still get tidal pools without a moon.

When the Sun and the Moon are in alignment you get extra large tides called a supermoon.
That's how they got that ship out of the Suez Canal. Lots of tugboats combined with a supermoon.
Anonymous No.723415259 [Report]
There's a sample size of something like 10 explored planets. In the solar system, Europe is supposed to have water and Titan is supposed to have an atmosphere.
Earth-like planets would also be hard to spot with a telescope, so there's a chance every solar system has an earth-like planet and we haven't spotted them yet. There are observatories out there who listen to radio communications and they haven't picked up any kind of message from another planet, so some advanced alien civilisation like Star Trek is unlikely imo.
Anonymous No.723415352 [Report] >>723416656 >>723417014
>>723388257
>spectroscopy
oh, so they're using my tax money to look for ghosts in outer space instead of something useful? very nice
Anonymous No.723415540 [Report] >>723415684 >>723415741 >>723417654
>>723378389
>chances are pretty good that life is all over the fucking place
Then why have we never seen any actual aliens?
Anonymous No.723415616 [Report]
>>723413813
>You need enough rotation to cook the planet evenly.
no, you don't. more recent simulation predicts that at least some subset of tidally locked planets with a majority water surface could stay completely thawed due to water currents, even on the permanently dark side.
and even if it isn't a water planet, there's still a guaranteed band of permanently habitable area between the light and dark side. it reduced the area where life can thrive, but does not eliminate it.
Anonymous No.723415684 [Report] >>723415886
>>723415540
that's the fermi paradox.
Anonymous No.723415741 [Report]
>>723415540
They're really far away.
Anonymous No.723415774 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
I like the Harrier.
Anonymous No.723415886 [Report]
>>723415684
Could be there's a hard limit to technology, decided by the laws of physics.
Anonymous No.723416137 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
Any of these planets could easily have conscious life on them. We assume that "life" (as we know it) requires specific conditions, but there could also be life in ways that we don't know. There could be conscious living beings inside gas giants even. If they had technology, it would be completely unintelligible by us, if we could even see it. Living things on Jupiter could be surveying us right now, using means that we don't have knowledge of, and they might just think we are a feature of the terrain of the planet, because their forms and way of operating are so alien that they can't even conceive that we are conscious beings and not just a moving part of the surface terrain.
Anonymous No.723416501 [Report]
>>723396291
>I suppose you'll tell me that the windows on the plane are TV monitors.
Anonymous No.723416656 [Report]
>>723415352
It's cool shit, anon. Please, keep paying your taxes. You know what isn't cool? Decorating the White House with gold. The fuck was that for?
Anonymous No.723416704 [Report]
we should build it
Anonymous No.723416805 [Report]
>>723375023 (OP)
This is why space travel is retarded.
99.9% of planets are barren hellscapes or blobs of fart gas, and the .1% that is useful are going to almost all still be barren with barely breathable atmospheres, or have alien life that wants to eat our eyeballs.
Anonymous No.723416874 [Report] >>723416989
>>723379009
The universe is so big that however rare the conditions on Earth are, they're going to be replicated manifold.
Anonymous No.723416989 [Report]
>>723416874
Yeah. It's mindboggling hard to believe there isn't life out there. Sure, the universe isn't vibing with parties everywhere, but it's still going to be a lot of fucking beings going around. For better or worse, it's just hard to reach each other.
Anonymous No.723417014 [Report]
>>723415352
Tell me how much money they're spending on it and I'll find some government spending we can cut to pay for it.
I can promise at least 30 billion so we should be good.
Anonymous No.723417051 [Report]
>>723415064
Our sun is not strong enough to create tide pools and life did not come to land out of sheer will. It happened due to circumstance. Creatures in tide pools had to adapt to limited, shallow water and begin to use land.

If a star could create tide pools, theyre still tide pools. And if I could do that it would be so close it would destroy all life. Its possible that a very dim, massive star could have enough effect on gravity to form tides while still being cold and dim enough to protect life but theres also solar winds so I have no real idea if this is even possible.
Anonymous No.723417654 [Report] >>723419821
>>723415540
Because the vast majority of life is on the level of bacteria
Anonymous No.723417771 [Report] >>723419575
The problem with you morons asking "DUHH, WHERE ARE ALL DUH ALIENS?!" is that you assume real life is inevitably going to involve funny little creatures flying around to different solar systems on spaceships like we live in fucking star wars

How cartoonish and stupid.
Anonymous No.723418425 [Report]
>>723401982
Do you search on earth or somewhere else?
Anonymous No.723419575 [Report] >>723419660
>>723417771
Have a little fun, faggot. Jesus Christ.
Anonymous No.723419660 [Report]
>>723419575
Internet serious business.
Anonymous No.723419821 [Report]
>>723417654
Why? Are they stupid?