Thread 723389167

Why are Minotaurs in video games always depicted as wielding battle axes when the Minotaur doesn't carry any weapons in greek mythology.

>>723389167 (OP)
Name 8 games.

Big beast scary
Big weapon scary
Big beast with big weapon super scary

Axes are badass
Minotaurs are badass
Simple as

I want a game where I can finally play as a minotaur

>>723389167 (OP)
>Why are Minotaurs in video games...
because minotaurs in dnd. why are minotaurs in dnd? because in the 1950s fanfiction The King Must Die which revitalized interest in Greek mythology
Theseus fought Asterion who was wearing a bull head and carrying a double winged axe named Mother Labrys.

>>723389167 (OP)
Well, my uneducated anon friend, you forgot how the Minoans (from where the Minotaur myth came from) used double-bitted axes called "labrys" (that's where the word "labyrinth" comes from) for at least ceremonial reasons. So you can see how the association appeared.

>>723389167 (OP)
>big scary beast stronger than a man
>man says: "I'll kill him with my weapon"
Ancient times:
>everyone cheers
>get called strong and brave
Modern times:
>that's not a fair fight. You cheated!
>maybe you're the real monster

>>723389167 (OP)
Minotaurs are big and scary, and huge axes or maces, which is what you generally see them holding, work well with that

>>723389574
>big scary beast stronger than a man
>woman says: "I'll milk him off to pay off my student loans"

>>723389432
Dragonlance is my biggest regret in life.

>>723389167 (OP)
>Why are Minotaurs in video games always depicted as wielding battle axes
Because of this>>723389432 popularizing the archetype

>>723389251
AC: Odyssey
Hades
Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
Legendary
King of the Dragons
Dark Age of Camelot
Neverwinter Nights
Beyond Shadowgate

>>723389462
Nice explanation.

>>723389167 (OP)
I'm 99% sure it's from some old D&D rulebook, same as the pig orcs in so many JRPG's.

>>723389167 (OP)
most recent example I can think of are the minotaurs in dragon's dogma 2

>>723389167 (OP)
Who else are gonna carry them

>>723389167 (OP)
Rule of cool.

>>723389527
neat
promise me you're not OP and this was just a setup for you to share your interesting Minoa facts

>>723389167 (OP)
not always

>>723389167 (OP)
It's a labyrs. What did minotaurs guard? a LABYRinth.

>>723389320
thank you Sukhdeep

>>723389251
Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
Castlevania: Dracula X
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Harmony of Despair

Contrary to popular belief, LABRYNTHS and MAZES are NOT Synonymous.

A maze is a medley of twisting paths that may not even lead to to the exit. Dead ends, endless loops, and outright wrong ways are to be expected.

A labyrinth is a long corridor that, while it twists and turns, does not have multiple paths OR dead ends or loops or wrong ways. It is a simple, yet excessively long, single path.

>>723389823
Pig Orcs stuck in JRPGs because of D&D1e or whatever but I think everywhere else they moved to the Warhammer/warcraft colored skin brutes with big tusks as vestige of the pig iteration.

>>723390060
why the fuck did theseus tie a string to his nutsack if there's no branching paths?

>>723390190
*the author's barely disguised fetish*

Don't you fight a retardaur in some jRPG idk Phantasy Star or something LMAO

Minotaurs in TES Arena use a cleaver.

>>723389938
I love that character so much, wish she wasn't just a super spam whore

>>723389167 (OP)
Big guy gets big weapon, it is his birthright.

>>723390190
he didn't know that obviously

>>723390423
As expected from Bethesda they aren't true nerds.

>>723389167 (OP)

ESL Archeologyfag here, might have the answer:

True, the Minotaur usually was not depicted wielding any weapons in Ancient Greek art, but the Minotaur and the axe are references to the myth of Thesseus and ancient Minoan civilization (proto-greek, circa. 3200 - 1500 BCE).

Depictions of bulls are widespread in Minoan frescoes and there is even an ancient drinking vessel having the shape of a bull's head. That animal seems to have some kind of ritualistic meaning for the people of Crete in the Minoan period (coming of age, fertility etc.).

The axe - usually the a double-bit axe - is called "labrys" and some of these had been found on Crete, dating back to that period.

Now you must have heard about the labyrinth, which Thesseus wandered to kill the Minotaur, right? One interpretation of that name is derived from "labrys" and thus the place can the called "House of axes".

Another funny thing: The Palace had been completely excavated and it is a place with mulitple dozen rooms of various dimensions and it looks very confusing, like a labyrinth.

I would have used the fucking adult swim head explosion GIF for that explanation, but I don't have it and I don't even care.

>>723389167 (OP)
In Dofus varies but no axes

>>723390672
So basically it boils down to
>game developers are nerds
>they read some books on historical myths and legends for inspiration
>now we have labrys wielding minotaurs guarding treasures in axe-houses
>just like minoans would want
Fucking nerds.

>>723389167 (OP)
The axe is the designated weapon of the cool races like dwarves so minotaurs gets them too

>>723389167 (OP)
Axes, as a weapon, are a symbol of strength. It's user needs to be a monster who can bring fear to his enemies with it

>>723389167 (OP)
>always
you haven't played very many video games

>>723390672
>bce
Kill yourself.

>>723390789
dwarves carry hammers

>>723389167 (OP)
The Minoans were associated with axes.

Minotaurs are supposed to be men with the heads of bulls, but in video games they’re almost always a humanoid bull.

>>723391525
yeah cuz that's cooler

First edition of d&d example depiction had one of them with an axe

>>723389662
What do you mean

>>723389167 (OP)
I think a hammer would have been a much cooler choice than just an axe but I still like Minotaurs.
At least clubs are the classic ogre, ettin, cyclops and giant weapons.

>>723391692
I regret spending as much time as I did on the setting.

>>723389574
It's quite literally this meme.
More games should let you play as the cool monster races instead of generic human warrior or generic human warrior but long ears/short and stout/green. They are more interesting. Only WoW has playable minotaurs.

>>723389167 (OP)
>Why are Minotaurs in video games
I think you answered your own question but are too retarded to realize it.

>>723389167 (OP)
It's cool
Bull + Axe looks awesome and I'm sure the Greeks would agree if they had the ability to depict it in such detail

>>723391525
>Minotaurs
there was only ever 1 minotaur, and it was literally a half man half cow hybrid, so
>are supposed to be men with the heads of bulls
is patently wrong and the opposite of the original myth, retard

>>723389624
You better believe ancient greek women fantasized about that too

>>723392683
Minotaur is a bestial hunter but still a skilled combatant. He is more than just his brute strength but also a feral frenzy and fine motor control for skill of arms. He wants to lop you into pieces and then eat them raw while the ogre wants to just bash you to bits and toss you in a stew and the rest just throw big rocks.

>>723392868
>there was only ever 1 minotaur
Always completely forget this due to how they are depicted in video games but it's true.
In general minotaurs in video games and TTRPGs are far removed from the original myth that they are not even encouneter in labyrinths and mazes anymore 90% of the time.Going after the real myth, there would be a single minotaur guarding a huge labyrinth as a unique boss.
ADOM had one minotaur guarding a maze with valuable treasure with a huge unique axe but even there minotaurs were a common species and he was just the leader of them. Dwarf Fortress also has mintoaur mazes guarded by a single minotaur but again they are a species and there are many minotaurs. Barony has the most accurate minotaur because, while it is the final bosses "pet", it is unique and guards a maze, which in this case is the dungeon you spend the entire game in.

>>723389938
This

>>723393392
He has an attack named labyris strike thougheverbeit so spiritually he has an axe.

>>723393130
But woouldn't he be much cooler if he had a massive maul that can crush a human into gibs in one swing than just another axe. I think this would make him a lot more teririfying to fight.
I mean solely by the rule of cool because sadly the original minotaur DID use just an axe.

>>723393502
axes are cooler sorry

>>723393502
Only if he's some weird, siegebreaker variant. The minotaurs natural habitat are tight corridors in places like mazes and sewers or in very dense forests, a maul with its wide sweeps are a liability while an axe, with its straight up and down chops and variable hand placement, is ideal

>>723393572
Absolute shit eating plebians taste.

>>723393392
That's a pretty cool design

>>723389167 (OP)
because it looks good on them

>>723393612
But enough about hammer fans

>>723389167 (OP)
>when the Minotaur doesn't carry any weapons in greek mythology.
You see, Ronnie, his DICK is his weapon!

>>723393637
>N-no u
People are allowed to have different taste but your taste also objectively sucks shit.

>>723393979
I accept your concession.

>>723389167 (OP)
Amano's FF I & II doesn't have an axe.

>>723389320
I love ChatGPT so much it's unreal

>>723389167 (OP)
Elderscrolls Oblivion and Baldurs Gate 3 had rare based hammer minotaurs which was super badass.
Sadly, like most RPGs, none of them were accurate to the original mythology whatsoever still.

>>723389167 (OP)
Big minotaur COCK

>>723389320
>no mention of labyrinth-labrys
These chatbots are fucking useless anon-kuns

>>723394382
go on

>>723394265
Well in the original mythology there's only one and he lives underground and basically does nothing but eat athenians and I guess shit out athenians. You've got to take some liberties with that if you want them in your vidya.

>>723389432
Fuck that shit
Give me a Manandtaur game

>>723394265
There's also this dude from Heretic/Hexen

>>723389167 (OP)
The Labrys, a double bladed axe, was a sacred object in Minoan culture. Guess what the Minotaur is named for?

>>723389167 (OP)
axes are cool and have a fitting "brute force" vibe

>>723389167 (OP)
Minotaurs are generally cooler than ogres because they have horns, fluff, digitigrade legs and a tail. I would also imagine a minotaur to be faster than an ogre and maybe more intelligent.
However ogres have shrek and better weapons. Also they make more sense as player characters because they are a species made up of many individuals while the minotaur is one unique individual and doesn't really leave his labyrinth.
Meanwhile trolls are kinda ogres but lamer and giants are too large to fit into dungeons, castles and houses not built by other giants.

>>723389167 (OP)
Minotaurus comes from Minoan culture (or rather Greek mythological re-imagination)
Minoan culture had 2 main religious symbols
1) bulls
2) axes
It's doesn't take a huge stretch of imagination to combine the two

>>723394581
Damn, that reminds me of that pic where undead headless horse torso chases down a woman, catches her with innards and inserts in the head wound to be like a second half of a centaur.

>>723389527
Cool. But why would the word for labyrinth come from a name of a ceremonial axe? What's the connection there?

The classical minotaur didn't have hooves either.

Labrys would be a cool idea for a legendary axe for an RPG.
Because really, I have no other ideas for legendary axes besides the grim reapers scythe maybe.
Really there aren't a lot of exciting legendary weapons to take inspiration from and the majority of them seem to be all spears.

>>723395132
What a dork, lol!

Minotaur or not?

What happens when a Minotaurs defeats you?

>>723389527
beat me to it

>>723395152
You must retrieve all 12 swords of the underworld companions to assemble and wield the sword god.

>>723395859
The rapening.

>>723389251
every Heroes of Might & Magic
every Castlevania

>>723395859
Death.
Maybe get eaten, maybe just left to rot on the floor.

>>723389527
Thanks for the cool Japanese Pun facts

>>723389167 (OP)
both the Minitaur and the Megataur go unarmed in Secret of Evermore

>>723389167 (OP)
and then you have Dragon's Dogma 2 or Dragon's Crown where they do indeed use an axe. I love this design in particular, simple yet cool

>>723394952
https://www.etymonline.com/word/labyrinth
tl;dr: we don't really know and etymology is mostly speculative

>>723389320
>say something nice about india
wait what?

>>723396278
Ragebait. Almost got me to write a rage reply. Almost.

>>723389432
Might and Magic VIII

>>723395132
that just looks silly

>>723389167 (OP)
the Minotaur boss in Vagrant Story doesn't carry an axe tho

Minotaurs are gay man coded so this question is disgusting

>>723389432
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.
Legend of Grimrock I and II.
CoC I, CoC II, Trials in tainted space and Lillith's Throne. Not by default but as a transformation.

>>723396678
Your mom is nigger coded so your face is disgusting.

>>723389432
i'd say play Nethack but it's no use.

>>723389167 (OP)
My best guess D&D drew them with axes and the japs copy that.

>>723396181
i like this one. looks like a freakish man-bull hybrid, an affront to all that is natural and not just an anthropomorphic bull furry.

>>723397067
Looks loke wouldn't be able to walk up right.

Come to think of it, why do so many porn games feature playable minotaurs, yet so few actual games? Strange.

>>723397269
Neither can a bull.

I just learned a couple days ago that there's a Minotaur helmet in Dark Souls 2, wtf, never got it

>>723393392
I'LL END IT THUS

>>723389320
Why does it embolden words like it's Zelda exposition?

>>723396430
They are kind of worse than human knight sadly. It's always 'beast race? -4 to everything' with these old rpgs

>>723389251
king's quest 1-8

Would you like them depicted naked and with giant dicks instead?

>>723393375
i believe it's also literally the first "my wife's son" instance we have in recorded history
the king of minos's whore wife became infatuated with a bull and had daedalus (who would then later go on to make the labyrinth to contain the hellspawn abomination) craft her a fake sow apparatus to trick the bull and also enable it to breed her, the resulting pregnancy spawned the minotaur
it's also why the bull is called the bull in cockholdry, and the entire "my wife's son" ending up being a subhuman abomination thing still continues to this day, funny how little things change huh?

>>723398834
I did not want to learn this.

>>723398676
Yes. Historical accuracy and preserving culture is important.

>>723398676
Imagine being the model for this

>>723398952
blame faggot op for being a retarded zoomer nigger who doesn't know jack shit about fuckall, least of all videogames

>>723389624
I mean, the minotaur was already born because a woman fucked a bull...

>>723399108
It's a self-portrait

>>723389167 (OP)
I once read a hentai book where a youg shota boy used a time machine to go back into antiquity and slay the minotaur, but the it turned out that the minotaur was actually female and weird shit happened that I won't describe here because I do not want to get banned.

>>723398183
It's a good trick!
>t. uses it in presentations

>>723389320
this guy needs a robot to think for him

>>723390672
>BCE

>>723389251
Warcraft 3, Cairne

>>723389251
Corruption of Champions

>>723399612
It's okay, newtard. You can say pee pee on the internet.
God, you're such a retarded faggot that I want to punch you to death.

>>723389320
AI doesn't know shit but pretends anyway. Fucking bullshit machine

>>723389167 (OP)
Minoans were obsessed with axes.

>>723389527
Based knower.

>>723400348
People fundamentally misunderstand what a LLM does, basically they print out what their algorithm determines to be the most appropriate text related to the prompt, this can potentially lead to useful applications, but it's not an oracle like people want it to be.

>An LLM is a sophisticated pattern-matching and text-generation system. Its primary function is:

1. **Analyze the Input (Prompt and Context):** It breaks down the text it's given (your question and any provided context).
2. **Predict the Next Most Likely Token:** Based on its vast training on enormous datasets of text from the internet, books, articles, etc., it calculates what word (or "token") is statistically most likely to come next in the sequence.
3. **Generate a Coherent Response:** It continues this process, stringing together a sequence of tokens that form a coherent and contextually relevant response.

It lacks:

-An Internal "Truth" Module:** It doesn't have a separate process for checking facts against a verified database of knowledge. Its "knowledge" is the statistical relationships between words it learned during training, which can include both accurate information and misconceptions.
-Real-World Understanding:** It doesn't *understand* the world. It understands *language about the world*. This is a key distinction. It knows how to talk about a "black hole" because it has seen the phrase "black hole" used in many contexts, not because it understands astrophysics.

>>723389167 (OP)
The minotaur in Toram doesn't have a weapon. But it also has that weird crystal on it's mouth.

>>723398834
Wasn’t the bull Zeus? Morphing into animals and fucking human women was his thing.

>>723389167 (OP)
>greek mythology fundamentalism

>>723401781
You're thinking of the white bull that kidnapped Europa, that was Zeus in disguise.
The bull that gave ended fathering the minotaur was a bull that was supposed to be sacrificed for Poseidon since it was the best, but Minos decided not to, Poseidon got pissed and made his wife fall in love with the bull.

>>723400990
I watch a lot of Neuro-Sama, and after seeing it constantly make stuff up, it's crazy to me seeing people blindly trust what AI outputs.

>>723396430
How do you get GM sword? I thought minotaurs got locked out of sword mastery.

>>723402530
He's playing Merge mod (see Dodging in the armor section?), some versions of it buff some races/classes.

>>723401781
the details get murky for me but iirc, no, but zeus is who brought out the "beautiful" bull to secude the king of minos's wife, because he knew it would and also because the king of minos had pissed off zeus or failed on some promise to him
prior to that though, i believe the myth goes something like: zeus had gone to the island of minos disguised as a bull to watch as some minoans were partying on a beach, and one of the women noticed him and was enchanted by him and he ended up having sex with her, however i forget if he did so while in bull form or humanoid form (i think it was humanoid) but anyways the point is i'm pretty sure that the child of zeus and that woman ended up being the first king in the minoan dynasty (according to the greek lore anyways)

>>723402478
ah shit that's right, i forgot about the whole poseidon side of the story, it's been too long
either way, the point is that there are tons of games where minotaurs don't have a labrys or an axe of any kind

Eliminators in DD use big hammers but those are arguably just dudes wearing helmets
and I don't even remember if the actual minotaurs in DD2 use any weapons...

>>723389167 (OP)
Why do we care about those shitty stories that the europeans, aka. niggers, made up?
Minotaurs should just be another low level trash mob for the glorious human hero to slay in masses.
Who cares what weapon they use or if they use weapons. Just give them an axe because they are stupid savage brutes and be done with it.

>>723389320
I love my retarded wife gpt

>>723404587
brownest post I've seen today

>>723404645
>Want to write sexy fetish porn with chatGPT because I am lonly and too awkward to ERP online with /trash/.
>GPT won't write porn for me because that's "against the rules".

>>723398676
That bull is looking zesty

>>723389432
Minotaur Fighter, my beloved.
Fuck magic, embrace axes, javelins and headbutts.

>>723389167 (OP)
axes are the weapons that excel better the more strength you've. Swords, daggers, and bows on the other hand were crafted for SISSY hands

>>723405347
>DCSS "minotaur"
>Just normal human sized
Minotaur in DCSS feels like a lame crappy minmaxier race. Oni or troll are better for playing massive hulking brutes because they actually have effects like being unable to fit into human armor, wading through shallow water and being able to equip oversized weapons.

>>723398676
fuck that's actually kind of horrifying

>>723405980
Hammers are the weapons that truly excell with high strength. Low strength? You will probably be breaking your arms trying to lift it. High strength? One hit will be enough to smush the enemies heavy armor like paper and break every single bone in his entire body. Axes feel like the sissy weapon when compared to hammers.

>>723393392
i wish the game stayed at this difficulty throughout. minotaur and medusa are the only memorable fights in the entire game.

>>723398676
Goddamn, those titties in the back what are those from?
Sorry if this question is off topic from your guy's gay minotaur thread.

>>723389251
Wizard/Pirate101

>>723406295
Google Damien Hirst, he's the artist behind all those

>>723406253
>First boss is a supposedly "easy" minotaur, who is actually really difficult, especiallly for the first boss, and pushes the players tactics and skills to the limit.
>After that, the difficulty falls off to game journalist tiers and the minotaur was actually the hardest boss in the game.

read house of leaves

>>723398676
me on the right

>>723389251
Jackie Chan

>>723406382
I did and I did not get what I thought, this guy does body horror stuff.

>>723389167 (OP)
Because she's a proud lesbian (not kidding) the minoan labrys is the double sided axe radical lesbians use as a symbol and it's related to labrynth.

>>723406785
The lesbians doublesided axe represents the rusted axe that was used on the lesbians dick during the xer gender reassignment surgery.

hear me out, guys...

>>723406939
Nope, radfem (labrys) feminists are the kind of feminists who think troons are degenerate males making a mockery of feminity and raping female bodies by invading their spaces.

>>723407084
AI slop.

>>723407163
Dilate.

>>723407195
peak greek
just look at this shit

the second best girl in CoC2 is basically a minotaur

>>723393392
SUCH IS A SAMURAIS SKILL

>>723389167 (OP)
D&D.

>>723398676
>>723405008
>aaaaah booba and peenor in mah vidya games help!!1
>meanwhile in classical arts

>>723407264
>reference antitranny ideology directly related to the topic
>>d-dilate
Are you retarded anon?

>>723407293
Unironically 1 000 000 000 000 better than the slop you posted first.

>>723407507
YWNBAW

Would

>>723398676
The cannibalism thing never made sense, yes I know it was some contrived curse and there's a thread about squirrels eating critters and a post about opportunistic omnivorism, but it doesn't apply here, you're telling me the Minotaur was magically exempt of hunger for years in that shit pit unless and until a human showed up?
And all that time he was chilling not using his immortal time to find a way out?

Bull
Shit

>>723407293
Why is the goat the angry one?
Why is the dragon thing so sad.

>>723398991
This is my answer as to why Godzilla’s penis needs to be rendered realistically and to scale.

>>723407795
Gods' curses, I ain't gonna explain shit.

>>723407795
>And all that time he was chilling not using his immortal time to find a way out?
It was a simple life

>>723389167 (OP)
So is no one gonna talk about Loki turning into a female horse and getting raped and impregnated by a stallion?

>>723395747
It is called Taurus/Bull Demon, the pattern of human looking animal is there. Weapon is one sided wooden axe thing too.
It's a minotaur.

>>723407838
>Why is the goat the angry one?
imagine being the third wheel in a catdog situation
you'd be mad too

>>723407626
I know, I'm proudly a man and troons are disgusting monsters.

>>723389251
Grimrock 1 & 2

>>723407847
Well, everyone is always asking for realism in art. Would be rude not to deliver.

Because the minotaur represents a primitive, beastly nature. And an axe is an imprecise weapon that requires no finesse, but maybe some animals cunning. A giant is too stupid for even cunning, and wields a club

>>723407969
>enter thread with a specific topic
>"so is no one gonna talk about [thing unrelated to topic in every way]?"
competitive autism

an axe is a tool

>>723408073
Sure thing, troonella.

>>723407975
>one sided wooden axe thing
It's canonically the femur of a different Tauru Demon and there is still some half-rotten fur sticking to it.

>>723408176
>an axe is an imprecise weapon that requires no finesse
An axe requires extreme finesse because the striking area of a real axe made for fighting is really small so if you miss you'll do no damage to the opponent (probably besides awkwardly clobbering him with the wooden shaft, and you're both wearing armor so it's a nothingburger) and it will take a long ass time for you to recover. Thank you for reading my blog.

>>723406939
This is what labrys feminists think about trannies anon:

"All transsexuals rape women’s bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropriating this body for themselves. However, the transsexually constructed lesbian-feminist violates women’s sexuality and spirit, as well. Rape, although it is usually done by force, can also be accomplished by deception. It is significant that in the case of the transsexually constructed lesbian-feminist, often he is able to gain entrance and a dominant position in women’s spaces because the women involved do not know he is a transsexual and he just does not happen to mention it.
The question of deception must also be raised in the context of how transsexuals who claim to be lesbian-feminists obtained surgery in the first place. Since all transsexuals have to “pass” as feminine in order to qualify for surgery, so-called lesbian-feminist transsexuals either had to lie to the therapists and doctors, or they had a conversion experience after surgery. I am highly dubious of such conversions, and the other alternative, deception, raises serious problems, of course.
Deception reaches a tragic point for all concerned if transsexuals become lesbian-feminists because they regret what they have done and cannot back off from the effects of irreversible surgery (for example, castration). Thus they revert to masculinity (but not male body appearance) by becoming the man within the woman, and more, within the women’s community, getting back their maleness in a most insidious way by seducing the spirits and the sexuality of women who do not relate to men."

>>723408565
I do not care about tranny lore.

>>723389167 (OP)
>why is the modern interpretation of (fantasy creature) different from the original folklore?

>>723389320
AI slops again

>>723408835
>Da book that ruined fantasy monsters.
The axe minotaur is one of the least sins of this book because at least it is actually rooted in Minoans culture.
But all the other shit, geez.

oh yeah I guess that is pretty common

>>723389432
A modern game would just make it gay and lame.

>>723408486
That's cool, I didn't know. Still, it does look kind of axe-ish.

>>723409209
It is an axe. An axe fashioned crudely oout of a femur.

>>723409049
when you get this joke it's so fucking funny

>>723409036
What are the worst offenders?

I miss /rpgmg/

Historyfags recommend me a book about folklore and mythology creatures and shit. Anything european will do, but feel free to add whatever.

>>723396209
Etymology isnt the issue its the minoans, we dont know shit about them outside
>bulls were important
>they lived on a island

The strongest weapon a minotaur could use against me is his heart.

>>723408787
Lmao you might want to read it, it's outright an anti-tranny manifesto. Troons still seethe to this day when people like JK Rowling speak about these facts.

>>723389167 (OP)
Looks cool.

>>723410074
As if 90% of dykes weren't troons.

>>723409036
Arguing the fantasy creature needs to be this specific way based on vague reconstructions of myths is stupid. Fucking Tolkien who gets jerked off to hell made elves into basically humanity++ when "actual" elves would have turned hobbits into dog or rats or made them go crazy

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>>723399741
Hey yiddy, bablyon is two blocks down

>>723410068
That's a big heart...

What if the Minotaur was a woman?

>>723410794
No, that's lame.

>>723410794
Boring. But would at least be very easy and risk free to kill for the hero.

>>723390190
>why the fuck did theseus tie a string to his nutsack if there's no branching paths?
The labyrinth was designed to take a long time to get through and to be easy to get turned around in. Once you get turned around you won't know until you get back to the entrance, unless you have something like Ariadne's string

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>>723410717
>>723410717
>>723410717
(and me)

>>723410794
Only males would escape after satisfying a different craving for meat.

t. guy who knows fuckall about greek myth beyond the basic shit you get in fantasy stories but would like to learn
where did the minoan stuff come from, i always assumed that king Minos and the whole Minotaur myth was fully greek, is it some story they took from somewhere else

>>723410794
I don't think anything would change in the story other than her becoming a feminist icon 2500 years later.

>>723411916
I mean isn't it about a guy from Athens coming to Crete to slay a monster?
Sounds pretty Greek to me.

>>723389938
To be fair in that case it's an axe wielding a minotaur since Shadow LABRYS is Asterios' user

>>723411916

Myths are sometimes supposed to fill the the gaps, which are left open by knowledge lost.

The Minoans were some Proto-Greek civilization, who were absorbed by Myceneans, Sea Peoples, Dorans/Ionians etc.

Minoans used Linear-A, which we cannot decipher, Myceneans used Linear-B, which we can, then there were the Bronze Age Nadir and the Dark Ages, with fuck all writing. Oral traditions existed (Illad/Odyssey), but not everything was kept, before someone was able or decided to write it down.

The Greeks, who settled after the Minoans probably discovered a lot of those things left behind. They could not establish a causal route and thus they had to come up with myths, oral tradition or derivations from other parts of the Hellenosphere.

>>723411916
Minotaur myth is Greek (Athenian) propaganda, minoans were a previous empire that used to rule over greeks, they then rebelled and fucked their shit, Theseus is the representation of greece/athens and the minotaur is the representation of the minoans. Basically a we were justified in killing them all because we're the chad theseus and they were the virgin minotaur.

>>723389167 (OP)
Realistically how does a minotaur do incremental damage that doesn't look stupid? Most would agree a minotaur catches you and impales you with its horns, or picks you up like a baby and rips you in half life a phone book. So if you want him to hurt you a bit, that doesn't look retarded like punching you, you give him an axe or some shit

>>723413263
In most fantasy schlock, minotaurs are actually easy trash low level enemies so the player can get their "epic powerfantasy" where they can kick the ass of something twise their size.

>>723389432
Allow me to offer a good news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdWirBKFDw

>>723389251
mystic quest

>>723413387
That's also a fair point, but you don't want the minotaur to be a gay little faggot, in order to fulfill the power fantasy the minotaur needs to be threatening, so again if he isn't going to pick you up and tear you to shreds, he needs a threatening weapon.

>>723413480
>but you don't want the minotaur to be a gay little faggot
But that's what most modern fantasy slop does.

>>723413407
Can't wait to play this in 5 month when they'll fix the game.

>>723413591
That's a video games problem. The minotaur needs to deal incremental damage and not to be the mythic creature that "God fucking help you if you square up to this nigga in the labyrinth"
Goblins also get the shooooort end of the stick, they're supposed to be really devious and devilish, but often they take the role of gay little trashmob sprites that you decimate.

>>723413747
>not to be the mythic creature that "God fucking help you if you square up to this nigga in the labyrinth"
That's exactly what a minotaur should be like though.

>>723404909
genuine skill issue, i ERP with GPT all the time

>>723391646
that's awesome that the D&D guys knew the minoan double-bitted axe and minotaur connection
them boys read books for sure

>>723389527
>ctrl+f minoan
dang it

>>723389167 (OP)
Why aren't minotaurs in games depicted with fucking massive milkers?

>>723407084
where's the gigantic futa cock?

>>723389251
Everquest

>>723394854
anon that was porn
and you forgot the second half where the new "minotaur" then goes on to use its horse dick to fuck the woman's female friend

>>723414123
where's the gigantic futa cock?

>>723414123
are those nipples made of leather?

>>723407969
because that's fake jewish bullshit, fuck off, yid

>>723414123
I hate femaleslop.

>>723393392
I should really finish SMT 4, highlight was immediately summoning Jack Frost and watching him insta dying to Medusa on his turn.

>>723414197
O-oh, I see...
It seems I've only seen the transformation part and thought it was a gnarly dark fantasy monster with tits out.

>>723414419
>That single flail minotaur in there
Based!

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>>723391646
I feel like this might be one of those things, where Gygax did read about the minoans, and then a lot of video game devs just copied Gygax without necessarily understanding the connection to minoan culture.

A lot of game devs from the 80s and 90s played d&d and got their inspiration from dnd.
Could've been original research of course,

>>723414610
>it's not a phase dad!

>>723389251
While he doesn't carry an axe per se, the minotaur in IV has access to the skill Labrys Strike
Labrys is both a double headed axe classically and a robot(using an axe) in the persona fighting games

Zeus Master of Olympus

What I want to know is why these weapons always have the same shitty movesets. Axe? Spin attacks and leaps. Bows have tri shots and rain of arrows aoe. Hammers a charge and a stomp etc. It gets predictable and boring.

>>723416124
There's only so many ways you swing a stick around, anon

>>723412038
Lmao, i would say you are absolutely correct but i dont think anyone paints Medusa as a feminist icon.

>>723389527
the minivilization

>>723394008
confession denied

>>723407264
Are you blind?
>>723407626
yawnfag
>>723408391
Whatever, toonellina

>>723416124
Some things gotta stay predictable and boring, especially after so many years of gaming. The sword is middle of the road most common weapon ever in fantasy vidya, people expect it to be that. Just as they expect shotguns to behave in a certain way.
Some things get a bit of a wiggle room, but you can't change common tropes without convincing explanation why you are mixing it up. It's a design language thing too. Similar to exploding barrels being always red. Don't expect players just nod and do what you want them to do because it seems logical or fun to you.

>>723416405
They do

>>723416124
>Hammer lacerate attack
>Bow spin attack

>>723417472
>equip 2 daggers to throw bombs faster that summon companion elemental swords that creat poison cloud on hit, if they land on the ground without hitting an enemy
Oh yeah, I love using medieval weaponry in RPGs