Thread 723391789

Could either of these crews survive and finish the events in the Mass Effect trilogy?

Isnt tech in Trek better than Star Wars or ME? They could probably pull it off, although Im not really sure on their combat capabilities.

>>723391789 (OP)
Yeah. Kirk would just judo chop the reapers, and steal their women.

Without the Enterprise (either) I think Picard's crew could do it because of how absurdly overpowered Data (and Troy when she's not being retarded/absent) are. Kirk, Spock and Sulu are the only excellent combatants on team TOS but they could probably get shit done.
If they had the Enterprise (again either) it would be a reaper massacre. The NX-01 was about the tech level of the ME universe and that thing was real shitty

>>723391789 (OP)
why did you use the TNG cast without my wife Gates McFadden

>>723391789 (OP)
>Wesley gets killed on Eden Prime
>Never spoken of again

>>723391789 (OP)
>Ensign Sito, if you want me to trust you, you have to take a shuttle and kill the reapers on your own

>>723391789 (OP)
Telporting torpedoes into every Reaper, vaporizer guns that make matter acceleration look like a toy, not to mention no need for mako
They'd do great assuming they get mass effect armor

>>723391789 (OP)
they couldnt even survive nortubel

I never played mass effect what are the equivalents to 'Q' and the Borg in that setting

Can't they just use their teleporter to teleport a reaper or whatever to the center of the sun? Star Trek technology is magic. They literally make food out of thin air. Trek would win.

>>723391789 (OP)
Kirk alone could defeat the entire Geth race singlehandedly with his bare fucking hands, Reapers (and batarians) are done for

>>723392574
This dude gets it. ToS and TNG the enterprise has shit like shields, transporter, and the tractor beam along with other obscure tech.

>>723393386
Uhh, Leviathans and Reapers/Geth?

>>723392224
If the Enterprise can use Mass Relays shit's toast.

>>723394137
They're relatively simple to use. So easy actually that humans were activating random relays before they knew much about the greater galaxy or knew about how the galactic policy was to treat untested relays with extreme caution.

>>723392224
Depends on the specifics, Mass Effect is in most regards comparable to Enterprise in technology, albeit computers are probably closer to TNG in complexity given they are capable of running AIs.

>>723394828
The Turians were retards for killing humans for activating them though. Imagine if we left some mini nuclear reactor on Sentinel island and the natives fucked with it. We wouldn't kill them for our own stupidity.
Cerberus were right about the first contact war at least, no matter how cool Garrus is, his people are retarded assholes.

>>723392224
nah man the D for example is armed to the fucking teeth, they would obliterate the reapers like they obliterated the Lysian ships in Conundrum.

>>723393851
Leviathans are more like if whatever civilization originally made the Borg managed to survive their massive mistake.

>>723392574
Spock is an expert martial artist with the strength of like 10 men. He's not as OP as Data but a good Vulcan officer is very OP.

>>723395108
It's understandable why they were so extreme about it though. Nobody wants to open a direct lane to Tyranid territory or accidentally give the Terminus Systems a backdoor directly to someone's territory.

>>723392978
kek
fuck Wesley

>ME FTL
>short range, requires you to stop periodically to discharge your Drive Core lest you kill your entire crew
>ST FTL
>long range but ultimately governed by how much dilithium you have to regulate your warp core's matter/antimatter reaction

>ME shields
>personal and ship sized "kinetic barriers" designed to stop fast moving objects because the majority of weapons are ballistic and/or explosive
>ST shields
>no personal shields, ships have both passive deflector arrays to protect from space debris/micrometeors when moving at speed and active energy shielding that absorbs/redirects energy from energy weapons, physical impacts and explosions

>ME weapons
>majority mass drivers, lasers get limited use in anti-missile point defense in space because they overheat over time, even the Reaper "thanix" weaponry is molten metal in a containment field instead of an energy weapon, plus missiles of various explosives, small arms that blow chunks out of people
>ST weapons
>absurdly wide array of energy and particle weapons, lasers are massively obsolete, torpedoes of almost as much variety of explosives and exotic particle effects, handheld weapons that can disintegtate a person in seconds

>>723395428
Also Spock's psychic powers get the TOS crew out of countless shit

Spock is OP as hell

>>723395278
Yeah, I guess.
There isn't really an equivalent to the Q in ME then.

>>723394828
They were made to be easy to use, in order to trap early civs in the ME network. You can activate them with the right frequency and a basic protocol morons can reverse engineer in 20 minutes. They are literally stupid proof.

>>723394137
The Enterprise D speed is roughly equal to ME ships, though ME ships need to stop very frequently to discharge static charges, which limits how fast/how far they can go in practice. The Enterprise D, in comparison, can go for months without stopping, years even.

In everything else but top speed, Star Trek tech is magic in comparison.

>>723391789 (OP)
They would both survive but Picard would cuck out and cure the genophage so they'd lose in the long term and Krogans would overrun the galaxy. Kirk and Spock wouldn't make that same mistake even with Bones bitching about it.

>>723396702
Early TNG Picard could be surprisingly brutal with how the Prime Directive was enforced. I could see him going "we'll cure the genophage only if you agree to return to the planet with no advanced technology and return your species to pre-contact." Of course he'd dress it up with "I know your species is capable of returning to the galaxy on your own terms blah blah blah" but he'd still be forcibly exiling them.

>>723391789 (OP)
>Kirk would do the usual Shatner speech at the Reapers, and kill the Geth because they're machines and 60s Star Trek was oddly angry against machine intelligence for a distant future sci fi. Kirk would fuck two Asari at once.
>Picard would get assimilated for a bit and join the Reapers like Saren, but would be brought back somehow. Data would sympathize with the Geth, Riker would fuck an Asari. They'd get a Volus crew member for some reason who keeps trying to sell them useless shit in lighter episodes.

>>723397205
> 60s Star Trek was oddly angry against machine intelligence for a distant future sci fi.
To be fair the entire plot of Mass Effect can be boiled down to "Leviathans get too comfy with machine intelligence thinking it will bring them the Culture, gives the galaxy robot AIDs instead."

>>723397205
>60s Star Trek was oddly angry against machine intelligence for a distant future sci fi
It's because most of its creators/writers had actually fought in WW2 and understood the depravity and evil men are capable of. Evil is efficient, though, and often successful, and these guys realized that a general sense of pragmatism combined with a machine's lack of empathy would have apocalyptic results.

We still don't know if they were wrong. I for one think they were absolutely right.

>>723396702
>>723397052
Prime Directive would prevent him from interfering in the Genophage debate because it's directly meddling with the internal politics of another species. Like the time he didn't intervene with the planet of drug addicts.

It would take a unified Krogan government directly appealing to Starfleet Medical for aid for him to begin to get involved.

>>723393386
Borg are definitely the Collectors and Reapers
Q would be... uuuuuuhhh I don't think we have that

>>723395657
Funnily, the hand disruptor versus hand phaser debate is similar to how some guns in ME have basically unlimited ammo at the cost of raw power while others use heat sinks to effectively make heat buildup your ammunition - most disruptors are limited to stun and a factory-assigned kill setting that is sufficient to blow a hole into a person but won't let you set it up to the fun settings but effectively never need to be charged, while phasers give you the option to vaporize a tank if you need to at the cost of spending the powerpack.

>>723397508
The genophage is by definition not internal politics, it's interspecies affairs and mediating those kinds of conflicts are his bread and butter as a diplomat.

>>723398127
Teams 1 and 3 are cooked

>>723398127
>Making TOS Kirk work together with Worf
Ah Q, the classic troll

>>723398127
>Bashir and Data in one team
Literally over

>>723398178
That's why I used the drug addicts as an example. It's one planet getting another addicted to a product they don't need. He refuses to intervene because it's ultimately an internal issue of trade collapsing because one side can't be bothered to make ships and the other side losing the ability to do so.

Asking him to take a stand on the genetic engineering of an entire species would be silly. He'd argue from the start he has no right to personally make any decision on that scale, or of that depth of physical alteration.

>>723398127
weird how THE DOCTOR wasnt included in any of the teams

>>723391789 (OP)
Why don't they use the transporter offensively to just transport enemies on a planet to their ship and capture them immediately

>>723391789 (OP)
It's Star Fleet. They'd go for magenta ending that incorporates Reapers into the Federation, with big tited Reaper as engineering ensign.

>>723399105
>Big tittied Reaper as engineering design

Would you?

who are the batarians of the Trek universe?

>>723399301
Cardassians
>isolationist totalitarian government
>slavers
>horribly mistreat prisoners
>greatest enemy is humanity
>defect to the greater evil and get purged for it

does mass effect have an O'Brien

>>723398127
Team 4 is so underpowered

>>723398127
Team Picard and it's not even close. Janeway and Riker would be a fun duo to watch

>>723401527
Shepard

>>723398127
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Star-Trek-The-Q-Conflict

>>723392485
The "KIRK FUCKS EVERY WOMAN" trope makes no sense. I watched the original series and he has like one episode where he is romantically involved with a woman. The rest is just being a charismatic flirt. This meme should stop, Kirk was in love with his post, not women.

>>723391789 (OP)
Kirk was stumbling across Godlike alien entities on the reg, and the Reapers would be lucky if they warranted a two-part episode. They'd do even worse by the time TNG rolls around.

A better question would be how well would the Reapers do in the Star Control 2 setting?

>>723403789
I feel Reapers would make an interesting predecessor to the Borg in how they function as something that is manageable with Starfleet's full attention but could easily snowball into something more dangerous if given the chance to fester.

>>723403775
True. Kirk's first love was the Enterprise herself. He gets the reputation because lots of women showed interest in him, rather than the other way around. For good reason, too. Prime Shatner was dangerous.

no beach to walk on...

>>723404002
>Kirk's first love was the Enterprise herself.
well we know what he'd do with the Normandy /EDI for sure...

>>723401527
>>723402520
>imagining the Mass Effect women in a Rascals episode
Make it so, number one.

>>723392224
>Star Wars
>tech
Star wars is fantasy in space, any tech discussion dies the moment you have to discuss magic rocks that power laser swords or "the force"

>>723403962
>something that is manageable with Starfleet's full attention
The distance between the Delta Quadrant and Sector 001 is the only reason the Borg haven't prioritised assimilating the Federation. Their exploratory probe, the Cube that curbstomps at Wolf 359, failed so they've continued with what they were doing before ever sending it out. If the Collective ever actually decided it was going to take out the Federation it would do it.

>>723404258
Actually, the whole AI waifu thing would be more up Riker or LaForge's alley. Or Broccoli lol

>>723403962
When you think about it, that's kind of what all the evil civilization-controlling computers in TOS were building up toward, even if it's all just a happy coincidence.

>>723398127
Obvious Picard favoritism by the author
>Spock AND Seven of Nine, basically two Spocks
>Odo, so you also have a shapeshifter
But Quark/Kirk is an underrated combo too. Plus Miles "Cardassian Slayer" O'Brien and Tuvok.

>>723404421
>magic rocks that power laser swords or "the force"
Kyber was just a mineral, and not even called kyber, for decades. It's otherwise just a laser sword with a crystal and wiring. Meanwhile The Force is still more cohesive than "some species get psychic powers from having evolved brains" and particularly esoteric shit like Vulcans having souls they can transfer on death to other people or into special containers.

>>723404521
I meant the Reapers being an example of less-advanced assimilation technology than the Borg, who are what happens when it's allowed to refine itself over generations instead of being locked into perpetuating a controlled environment.

>>723404239
It's easy to get that impression because of one simple difference: Kirk was almost always on the away team, and Picard usually wasn't. Usually. He wanted to though.

>>723405042
I feel bad for Worf. I don't think any Trek character jobbed as hard or as often as Worf did.

>>723405212
A FUCKING BARREL

>>723405103
>Patrick Stewart eventually complained Picard didn't get to do enough "fighting and fucking", so they gave him episodes dedicated to those things.
>the entire buggy chase in Nemesis was at Stewart's request/insistence

>>723392224
>Isnt tech in Trek better than Star Wars

I think it was decided that the Star Wars universe would win because hyperdrive ships are much faster than warp drive ships.

I think Mass Effect tech is behind both.

>>723405212
I like how his main condition for returning in DS9 was "don't make me job so much."
And he still kinda did, but at least he was more badass when it happened.

>>723391789 (OP)
Both of them could with ease. By the end of TNG era federation pretty much achieves galactic supremacy.

>>723405212
I met Michael Dorn at comic con when I was a kid. Easily the coolest guy there.

>>723405321
>the entire buggy chase in Nemesis was at Stewart's request/insistence
lmao wtf

>>723401968
At least she has based Scotty on side. But yeah

>>723405387
By the end of TNG era the Federation, the Romulans, the Klingons and the Cardassians were all left hoping none of the other upstart races would try shit after the Dominion War

>>723404839
It's funny how the archetype of "invasive cybernetics that grow beyond their original intent to turn everyone into robo-zombies" is possibly the closest thing Sci-Fi has to a cross-media race in the way fantasy has elves and dwarves.

>>723405212
seriously, for a badass klingon who could easily wreck shit they were always too quick to muzzle him
at least I lost my shit at ASSEMBLE THIS

damn it auto correct
I mean ass and titties

>>723405561
Not to mention the Voyager era and being able to consistently wreck Borg ships.

I never liked Worf. Always thought he was mostly a coddled faggot on TNG and I hated him on DS9. All they had for him was that retarded love triangle shit and he had no use except to be Dax's boyfriend and all those storylines fucking sucked also Martok mogged the everloving fuck out of him as a character

You'll have to tell me what "the events" in Mass Effect trilogy are; I've never played those games.

I actually like the sense of progression in Trek
meanwhile Star Wars is pretty much the same across all time periods

>>723405810
Worf's scenes with his kid used to annoy me when I was little, but I watched TNG again a few years ago and shddenly I find them endearing. Life is weird.

>>723405810
Worf rules when he gets to be a war guy and hang out with Martok.

SCOTTY I NEED MORE POWER
>CAP'N I CANNAE DO IT IT'S GIVING YOU ALL SHE'S GOT
I NEED...MORE!
>AYEEEEEE FINE DINNAE COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS
and then Kirk blows up the Reapers.

>>723405826
well ME1's fight against Sovereign (aka a single reaper) is basically the first encounter with the borg, the moment that makes everyone go "oh fuck"
ME2 is more of "fuck the borg" and trying to counter act them
ME3 is full scale galactic extinction event that takes a literal deus ex machina to solve

that being said, there are smaller incidents that would make for nice ST episodes, most of them about "should we allow this possibly alien race to survive/thrive?"

>>723405810
That's because in every fucking episode Worf has a serious security concern and everyone brushes him off. It's so fucking annoying.

>>723395108
>no matter how cool Garrus is, his people are retarded assholes
Garrus in many cases would agree with that assessment, especially in ME1

>>723406121
No, that has nothing to do with it actually.

>>723391789 (OP)
Picard gang would steamroll ME.
The tech in TNG is magic-tier

>>723405706
That was only because of time travel hijinks, Voyager was upgraded with tech from like 500 years in the future

>>723405361
Star Wars is tough to call because hyperdrive is MUCH faster than warp, but requires star roads. They can't use hyperdrive in uncharted space. Star Trek ships have much slower travel speed but can jump to warp blind if needed. They also can fight other ships at beyond FTL speeds.
tl;dr:
>Star Trek = faster and better maneuverability during dogfights, weapons that can bypass shields/use of transporters
>Star Wars = faster travel speed in straight lines and planet destroyers

>>723392574
with ship. the defiant and the cerritos could do it. hell,. cerritos with only junior staff could.

>>723392843
YOUR WAIFU IS A..SELAK.

>>723391789 (OP)
Data hard carries TNG crew, give him an Omni tool and there's no telling what he'll be capable of.

>>723406121
>CAPTAIN THEY ARE CHARGING THEIR PHASER BANKS
>it's cool worf
>CAPTAIN THEY ARE AIMING DIRECTLY AT THE BRIDGE
>nah
>CAPTAIN THEY LAUNCHED TORPEDOES
>did they?

>>723404750
Honestly its a major setting issue. Lightsabers need to be rare because they cut through defensive structures like blast doors like butter. There is no reason why every sapper in the galaxy shouldnt be walking around with pocket-sized kyberknives, and assuming that the empire needs better defenses than just putting things behind thick iron vault doors.

>>723391789 (OP)
Yes.
Kirk would choose destroy.
Picard would choose merge.

>>723406215
But now the federation has it and could theoretically replicate it, well, unless timecops put a stop to it.

>>723406238
>They can't use hyperdrive in uncharted space.
Yes they can. A hyperspace lane is nothing but a long, straight section of space that's known to be empty and perfectly safe to travel along. Whether you're jumping blind or along a safe route the problem is there's nothing protecting you if you come out of hyperspace and collide with something, it's just significantly more likely if you don't know where you're going.

>>723406238
>blind if needed
that shit is fucking scary
what if you jump straight into a star or something

>>723405212
Odo had some embarrassing defeats for a guy who can literally shape shift into anything

>>723402964
I'm reading it, it isn't bad. But it is very odd The Doctor was not included.

Does anyone have a list of all the big ST actors who actually played characters in mass effect? I know Troi and Quark are in 1 and Worf is in 2 but other than that I can never remember

>>723406405
>>723406413
Trek ships have much better sensors and control at warp, which is why they can jump blind and avoid obstacles. Plus, they have strong deflectors.

Charting hyperspace lanes in SW canon was notoriously dangerous

Worf is funny for being such a klingaboo, and trying to teach his son the ways of klingon bat-leth cannot be beat (folded over 9000 times)
in the end Worf won though. his son actually embraced Klingon heritage. Also the fact he PROCREATED to begin with....

>>723406312
The funny thing is that according to old EU sources, lightsabers evolved from what was effectively a backpack-mounted power tool that was used exactly in the manner you described that the Jedi just so happened to be able to weaponize due to their reflexes. There must had been politics involved to make it so only the Jedi (and later Sith) get access to lightsabers and their reputation had been mythologized over literal eons to the point everyone forgot their original purpose.

>>723406429
To be fair, Odo is also not very intelligent, like much less than Worf.

>>723406535
Worf's klingabooness is his best trait, the storylines where his expectations clashes with the realities of Klingon politics are all kino.

Whos dying on Virmire then or are Kirk and Picard capable of talking down Saren?

>>723406312
The Empire outlawed lightsabers and took full control of every kyber mine in the galaxy. Trafficking in kyber or owning a lightsaber will get you executed, and "but I'm just a thief honest" wouldn't mitigate that. There's also lightsaber resistant materials like cortosis. And the fact that even if you can cut through anything it takes time. You'd be infinitely better off, and quicker, just hacking the controls or finding the codes.

>>723406535
>his son actually embraced Klingon heritage
You mean when he joined the KDF to spite Worf/try to make him notice him, or when he watched Worf die and went back in time to try and force himself to be a warrior so he could've stopped future Worf's assassination?

>>723406734
Ensign Harry Kim

>>723405321
The writers gave most of the actiony-Kirk moments to Riker because Picard would look ridiculous acting like an action hero. The movies proved them right.

Worf is like the most pathetic type of weeaboo you could imagine somehow had an oops baby and then when they got custody got pissed off that the kid wouldn't become obsessed with anime and ancient samurai like him so he got bored of it and dumped it with the grandparents. Worf is a fucking loser and terrible father.

>>723406734
Kirk would simply give him the chop

>>723407179
>The movies proved them right.
yeah I did kinda raise an eyebrow when Picard ran around in a wife beater with a rifle slung over his shoulder kek

>>723407189
Worf was a misfit who never really resolved the fact that he was a misfit.
Add to the fact that he had a very romanticised view of what he thought it meant to be Klingon and you get what he is.
Kinda like half-n-halfs who boast about getting in touch with their heritage or roots or whatever but are as about as [X] as a glass of regulsr milk is.

I'm actually 1/16th klingon, you know...

>>723406734
Lieutenant Leslie on Kirk's team for sure.
>>723407139
He wasn't ever part of the Enterprise's crew was he? I think Picard is going to have to burn O'Brien on that one unless this is early TNG we're talking about and Tasha Yar is there to take the hit.

>>723407404
That's why I actually love Sons and Daughters because it proved that Alexander ended up being more accepted by just being secure in and accepting of who and what he was regardless if it was the "ideal" Klingon meanwhile Worf STILL hadn't grown the fuck up.

>>723407345
>>723407179
I don't know, the 'sode of TNG where they did it was pretty good actually

>>723407572
it was pretty cool, and I wish they leaned more into his crazy sailor persona
the coolest thing the black chick in first contact did was call him ahab

>>723391789 (OP)
>Spock has the strength of 3 men according to himself (average Vulcan strength)
>Is undefeated in every fight with Kirk

>Khan has the strength of 5 men (augments were far stronger than Vulcans and Klingons)
>gets his ass beat by Kirk in a 1v1

>>723407570
Yeah. It's only really until that episode and when Dax kinda calls him out on it does he get some idea of how to move on.
>>723407882
>That picture
Time sure does fly...

>>723406312
>There is no reason why every sapper in the galaxy shouldnt be walking around with pocket-sized kyberknives
Aside from being a huge pain in the ass to train with if you lack the force or cybernetics

>>723407959
that's what I always thought too
sure, han cut open that tauntaun but I think anything that actually requires precision will fuck you over as a normal guy
that's what surgical lasers are for

>Spock somehow manages to mind meld with the Reaper consciousness. This plays:
https://youtu.be/Vfxl--gBy8c?list=PLx422o8LQG24utVpHEDhxL5ZddyqWD7tN&t=86
>>723406046
kek

>>723392224
A TOS era Constellation-class can glass a planet. A late era TNG fleet would annihilate the Reapers with little effort.

especially with the Picard maneuver
THERE'S JUST NO DEFENSE AGAINST IT

>>723405569
Even if Doctor Who lost the plot with the Cybermen faster than Star Trek did with the Borg, I really like the way it described them as less of a species or policy and more as a lingering hazard that can be made by any sufficiently negligent use of technology by an intelligent species. You can't permanently stop them any more than you can stop the existence of the wheel by attempting to destroy all wheels, and what finally causes the Cybermen to cease being a threat to the galaxy isn't any show of force, but the intelligence their being culminates into concluding that it is more efficient at its job of ensuring the survival of its component parts by being cooperative instead of antagonistic.

>>723391789 (OP)
the entire reaper race would not win a fight against a borg sphere, i'm sure the defiant alone could wipe the reaper in one afternoon.

>>723408953
>faster than Star Trek did with the Borg
They never had a plot with the Borg to lose. They never knew what the fuck they were doing.

>>723409064
>a borg sphere
hold up a gat dang minute

>>723398525
It's not trade though, it's far more one sided. I think he'd initially see it as a more technologically advanced species sabotaging and subjugating another planet/people against their will, and would therefore be more open to get involved at some level. Probably by opening negotiations with the Salarians after Riker and the away team accidentally get into a fire fight with an STG strike team whilst trying to answer a call for medical aid to Tuchanka or smth

>>723409064
That's because the Reapers weren't designed to fight off extragalactic threats. They were designed to literally reap a carefully-cultivated environment and struggle when faced with variables outside of it.

>>723409372
It's like a Borg Cube, but bigger, and rounder

>>723406734
>And you, Saren. One given so much trust by civilization to safeguard and defend it. One who was deemed above and OUTSIDE the law to be sufficient and capable in the commission of those duties.
>You are not fitting the title, rank, or air you breathe.
>You are a traitor not to your government. not to your people, but to organic life itself

>>723409540
>rounder
WHAT

>>723404421
And Dilithium/Element Zero aren’t “magic rocks” that power FTL travel? Anyway, I watched S1 of TOS recently, and every other episode was magic shit going on.

>>723407259
The one handed swift chop or the double-fist axe chop-uppercut combo?

>>723399247
It's not a matter of would but a matter of how hard

>>723396069
The Enterprise should be much faster without Relays. With Relays ME ships vastly outspeed the Enterprise iirc

>>723409607
there definitely are a couple of terms they use in trek to handwave magic nonsense kek
>TACHYON EMISSIONS
>WARPSPACE PHENOMENA

>>723409772
>end of ME2
>"...imma fuck it"
wew lad

>>723409802
>subspace infetterence

>>723409540
>bigger

>>723409676
>the double-fist axe chop-uppercut combo
probably my favorite part of any star trek fight scene
riker sells it pretty well too

>>723409942
>I saw William T. Riker at a replimat on Deep Space Nine yesterday.

>>723409772
>>723409871
>We are beyond your comprehension.
>"We'll bang, ok?"
>S-Shepherd sama....

>>723406238
SW is magic. Turbolasers do nothing to shields. Hyperspeed is just dumb space magic.

>>723406468
Dwight Schultz is Navigator Pressly, and "additional voices". I think he's the only one left besides the ones you listed.

>>723409420
>against their will
Because the Krogans make the Klingons look like fucking pacifists. Picard may be a retard at time but he'd immediately understand that half a dozen different races coming together to tardwrangle the Krogans showed that it wasn't some tyrannical abuse of power. If anything he'd acknowledge that other races might have genocided the Krogans down to the last ligger.

>>723406215
More like 30 years and let's just pretend Endgame never happened because it makes no sense in the timeline.

>>723404714
Even sort of looks like a black Chud kek.

>>723391789 (OP)
yeah the TNG crew would've found and built the crucible before ME3 even happens

>>723405387
>By the end of TNG era federation pretty much achieves galactic supremacy.
Borg are in he same galaxy.

>>723401968
Janeway looks justifiably disappointed in the results.

You guys try the Voyager game demo?

>>723412556
Yeah and it was pretty mediocre, but I enjoy Voyager so I'll play it anyway.

>>723405321
This is why you don't let actors write or writers act.

>>723405602
I was pretty surprised at this but it worked well.
Honestly I would have preferred they just played themselves and were just normal human soldiers you could recruit.
Missed opportunity.

>>723409351
>Hugh
Picard should be burned alive for his stunt, jesus fucking christ.

>>723415912
Garak would have saved so many lives if he had gotten away with that

>>723415979
Even better is that the entire conflict with the Founders is only resolved without a major catastrophy is because S31 gave them all space aids.

>>723416064
I mean they murdered millions of civilians, a pile of which whose fresh smoldering corpses Sisko refused to toast bloodwine on top of, but yeah sure, nothing bad happened.

>>723416176
>>723416064
Oh also don't forget the Breen blew up Starfleet Academy

>>723416176
Yeah shit got fucked up but without the cure by that faggot Odo the Dominion would've sperged out completely on Cardassia.

>>723416236
Breen need a genociding as well, actual niggers of space.

>>723416064
>>723415979
Without the Founders the Jem'hadar would've gone berserk and it's likely the Vorta would've goaded them into it, too.

>>723416495
Not that many of those niggers left in the Alpha quadrant.
Gamma quadrant is fucked forever though.

>>723416495
Nah they wouldn't. Jems would have fucked off with the rest of their white and Vorta would have either died from broken hearts or if they were the more devious kind just slinked into the shadows to try to start new lives.

>>723416803
Only the Founders know how the make the white, without them all Jiggers are destined to die of withdrawal.

>>723416803
There's an episode dedicated to what happens when Jem'hadar get it in their heads to disobey the Gods: they find an Iconian gateway so they can wage war on anything they want. They're genetically engineered soldiers. They choose violence every time an alternative is offered. Even Odo can't get the one he personally raises to give up being inherently violent.

>>723416937
There are those few who would survive without it who were trying to figure out how to replicate that.

>>723417016
*could survive
There was that episode where they had Bashir hostage making him find figure out the cure or whatever.
>>723416962
They'll die in like 72 hours without their little drug and without the Founders they're gonna be fucked. If they don't stop fighting to figure that shit out first they'll just all die out and that'll be that. Either way, Garak's way was the best.

>>723417167
>>723416937
Vorta make the White. The Founders handed over every part of running to the Dominion to the Vorta so it runs without them ever having to get involved.

>>723391789 (OP)
Trek resolves shit in one hour of television that Sheppard takes three massive games too.

>>723417441
>Vorta make the White
They don't they just distribute it. They are administrators they don't actually have the skills to make anything.

>>723416331
>The players when the third came arrived

>>723417519
The Founders give the task of finding a cure for the Section 31 disease to the Vorta. They're administrators and scientists.

The Founders want as little to do with Solids as possible, that means having a group of people who know how things work in charge. Otherwise the Vorta would be bamboozled by flashy gimmicks or bogus science and the Founders would have to start doing things.

ive watched all of tng and cant be fucked watching the other series
tng really is goated

>>723405212
ANON WATCH OUT

>>723417743
>The Founders give the task of finding a cure for the Section 31 disease to the Vorta
Yeah and you saw how well that turned out. It's not like they had anyone else they could have made to do it because they've already subjugated and destroyed every other race in the Dominion so they wouldn't have any science infrastructure left. That was out of desperation. It is not for Vorta to "know how things work" they do what they're told. They can build the plants that make the white but they would have no understanding of what it is is and how to make it. If Bashir couldn't figure it out there's no fucking way they could. The Founders are terrified of anything outside their control they aren't just going to go ahead and inherently hand control of Jem'Hadar over to Vorta by letting them know how to make the drug that controls them. They already know they can fuck up their genetics and make clones that defect and will willingly kill Founders with the slightest bit of mental gymnastics. You're not giving the Founders enough credit for how evil they are.

>>723417916
Of all the creative sci-fi ways they could've temporarily crippled Worf they chose the most boring one.

>>723415557
Never let your star become Executive Producer
Case in point: STP

>>723418237
Didn't Steward direct some of the TNG episodes?

>>723418227
What should it have been instead? Keep in mind it can only take like 2min since most of its a Crusher episode. I don't like the idea of a holodeck accident and I don't like the idea of just starting with him in some action fight where he gets injured.

>>723418401
Maybe a docking procedure gone wrong? Or maybe some wall console explodes so hard heavy pieces of metal get thrown around. You could even give Worf a cool moment as he tries to shield another character and gets his back fucked up.

>>723398127
>>723402964
I just read this. It's fun.

>>723418059
The first episode with the augmented autists has them deduce that Weyoun is attempting to bargain for an otherwise completely worthless planet because there's a mushroom that grows on it that contains part of what they need to synthesise White. No supplies from the Gamma Quadrant, forced to scrounge for whatever could work in unfamiliar space. Do you think the Female Changeling on Cardassia Prime was conducting all those surveys in secret? Collating all the data, finding the specimens, setting up mass synthesization efforts? Of course not. Nothing the size of the Dominion works because a handful of disinterested elites decides to poke their head in once in a while. 2000 of the Dominion, Weyoun claims. Without the Vorta knowing shit about dick it wouldn't have made it past 20. Your administrators need to understand how it works or it stops the first time there's a problem.

>>723392224
Star Trek has some of the consistent warp engines in a conventional setting along with having effectively no resource shortfalls to contend with. Mass Effect still relies on the relays for any real travel beyond the small scale. Still nowhere near as fucked like Dune is where their entire logistical network is hardcapped by guild bullshit and needing to pile everyone into a flying metal dildo like sardines in a tin.

>>723418370
Just about every cast member did. True for DS9 and Voy too.
But they never allowed Harry Kim to direct one, even when he asked for the chance multiple times.

>>723418690
>Handful of disinterested elites
Well I'm sorry to say this is just your headcanon and not based in reality. Changelings are out there personally fucking shit up all the time, especially in the Gamma Quadrant. They can infiltrate and replace anyone or anything. Not that they would even need to because it's their DOMINION. I don't know where you got the idea they just sit around not doing anything. They genetically engineered TWO slave races they can do the shit that needs to be done. Your idea of them just sitting around in their puddle doing actually fuckall is bizarre and dumb.

>>723418558
That's actually a pretty good idea.

>>723419201
kek
somebody really didn't like that dude's face. Feels completely random too.

>>723405321
>Jean Luc Picard
>A Very Diplomatic French man who always tries to find the most peaceful way to solve problems
>"Give me more actions scenes"
Come on, Patrick

>>723419254
To put another way, they are not disinterested. They are EXTREMELY interested in Total Solid Death. Total Solid Subjugation. The fact that they only interact through their slaves or in the shadows is part of their defense mechanism.

>>723419360
>really didn't like that dude's face
The irony is they only kept him on the show because he was named one of the 50 most handsome men in the world by People's Magazine

Only 3 bars of Latinum and you can have your dream game Anon,
What you say?

>>723419836
Bars is a fucking lot of latinum, anon

>>723404239
I guess the big takeaway here is to just write characters like they're normal people and a stereotypical past doesn't always require a cliche present?

>>723419201
>>723419750
>writer pitches an episode with Beltran and Wang in the lead in a dramatic future episode where they try to change the present by fixing an incident that causes everyone else to die
>execs are all "pff, yeah sure, put them in the lead, let's see how bad it turns out"
>it's one of the best episodes in the show
>execs go "huh, wow, turns out these two actors we hired to act can actually act"
>do nothing with either the rest of the show

>>723419887
I tell you what, just to show you my generosity, I throw in a hour of my best holosuite, Free of charge.

>>723417916
Between all the boxes and the exploding consoles I really have to wonder what the fuck happened to OSHA in the far future. I get written to hell and back if I so much look at a bread slicer the wrong way.

>>723405212
That time he got thrown in a ring with a bunch of Jem'hadar in DS9 was pretty cool. Real Ben Grim moment.

>>723419254
Anon, the early Dominion episodes make it clear that the Founders are so hands-off that even most Vorta have never even met one in person until the events of the show. We only see them a lot because of main character writing syndrome.

>>723410427
That dude is in everything. He's Deathshead in the new Wolfenstein games.

>>723419968
>Beltran wants to quit and knows better than to break contract to do
>starts making demands
>execs insist he has to stay on the show and give it to him
>makes more demands
>they keep giving them to him because it's just not Voyager without akoochymoya, apparently

>>723419968
Beltran asking for stuff in order to get kicked off the show but instead getting all his demands met is my favorite bit of behind the scenes bullshit.

>>723420214
I can't believe how far he came since a minor recurring spot on Night Court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjWxNiA_ciU

>>723420216
>>723420254
Beltran is both smarter and more interesting than Chakotay.

>>723420086
In the early Dominion episodes the Founders kidnap DS9 crew and put them in their underground ARG simulator right next to their Great Link so they can run tests about how they would deal with them invading. Are you going to argue to me it was the ingenious Vorta who invented and built that thing while the Founders were just gooning out? Them PURPOSEFULLY being elusive to solids is not them being "hands-off" it is literally part of their strategy because they fear them.

Brunt.
F
C
A

>>723406312
What about "poisonous gas?" I hear that's lethal.

>>723409540
It's spherical!

>>723419836
Do you think Quark could outjew the Jews at their own game?

>>723420395
Bruh that is not Brunt

>>723420313
Voyager really should have been better than it was. It had all the potential to be great. And there were some really stand out, honest to god good and great moments. But Robert Picardo basically carried the show most of the time.

>>723417904
i thought the same but wound up liking DS9 even more
i should rewatch ds9

>>723420342
The original topic wasn't about whether the Vorta could invent anything, it was about whether the Vorta could continue to run what was already existing, while continuing to synthesize a product that they already knew how to. The answer to that is an obvious yes. If all the Founders died, the Dominion would still exist.

Lower Decks ended up being kind of okay. First season was trash though.

I like to type in random made up bullshit facts on youtube comments like "this scene was soppused to be comedic but the actors played it straight."

>>723420875
Based misinformation enjoyer

>>723420493
Yeah it's almost more interesting to talk about Voyager's fuckups behind the scenes than the stuff that happened in the show. For example, do you think Beltram told Jeri Ryan beforehand he was going to ask the producers for romantic scenes with her in order to get fired?

>>723420614
It's not obvious and the argument is
>>Vorta make the White
which has no basis in proof which is why we are arguing about it. And it actually makes no sense for them to be able to know how to make it given that the Founders do everything they do to maintain absolute and total control so them giving such crucial knowledge out to clones that could potentially be like Keevan who got captured and instead of ack'ing himself like should have probably gave up secrets to the Federation, or someone like Weyoun 6 who just straight up defected is such an obvious and likely threat to that control there's no way they would make them privy to such sensitive information. The Founders made the Dominion so that they control everything. When there is one source of total control there is a single point of failure that will bring it all down. Without them there is no Dominion.

>>723420993
Poor Tuvix. Murdered to shit and then forgotten about for decades till a stupid cartoon decided to bring you up again.

>And featuring
>Jeffrey Combs as...
>and...
>and...

>>723421112
he's the best character in the whole star trek

>>723421110
Lower decks is good though

>>723421157
They should have had T'lyn join the team sooner.

>>723392485
Judo chopping wouldn't exist in Star Trek's future because Atemi Waza hasn't been taught in Judo since Kano's time.

>>723421112
>new star Trek series but every single character is played by Jeffrey Comb
The only thing to save the franchise

>>723421208
that cereal is missing the Kevin and Krem flavors

it continually fucks me up that there was a 20 year gap between TOS and TNG and so neither the 70s nor the 80s have a Trek of their own

>>723421393
Films

DS9 memes are cancer

>>723421393
TNG was more 80s than 90s. 86-93.

>>723412556
i'm not terribly excited about replaying through the tv show
if you could have made your own captain and had a different crew i'd be all over it though

was it ever explained why in star trek theres a bunch of 1:1 earths randomly about the galaxy?

>>723421393
We had things called "movies."

>>723421547
You'd think they're would have been more FTL clones. I really want a game were you can just Yamato your way through space.

>>723421610
Life is common in Star Trek and Star Wars. It's a fantasy.

In reality? Holy shit, the chances of sentient life is so obscenely small that the fact humans can think is beyond .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000^0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 you get the point.

>>723420493
great premise, just let down by the characters
the doc and tuvok are the only interesting characters and two characters does not make a show

>>723421678
eh needs more roleplay than ftl otherwise i'd just play ftl

>>723421837
I'd be amenable with that as well. I just want more space rpgs.

>>723421876
Cosmoteer comes pretty close to that feeling if you don't waiting for early access. Strikecraft and boarding will be pretty sweet whenever those features come out eventually.

>>723421361
Damar going from generic crewman to leader of the resistance to almost leader of Cardassia was a trip.

>>723404421
Meanwhile Star Trek humans with some latent psychic potential could rapidly evolve into psychic gods that could single-handedly genocide humanity after getting affected by a magic space anomaly. If that's not magic, then I don't know what is.

>>723398127
team 4 is just full of insane people so they will nuclear option someone down with them

>>723391789 (OP)
Spock is only half as strong as Vega and Vega is only about 1% as powerful as Wrex. Spock'd get his ass kicked by a Vorcha horde

>>723406405
>there's nothing protecting you if you come out of hyperspace and collide with something, it's just significantly more likely if you don't know where you're going.
not how that actually works.
what happens is you NEARLY hit the hyperspace shadow of whatever is in the way in realspace.
Your ships hyperdrive, if functioning correctly, detects that and shuts off early.
This collapses the bubble that is letting your ship exists in hyperspace, causing everything that was within the bubble to simultaneously decelerate back to sublight speeds.

Maybe your hyperdrive is also a bit fucked up from the emergency shunt, or other parts of the ship are a bit fucked.
Either way, you stop and have to figure out another blind jump.
The implication is that doing things like this is a tradeoff between dangerous and time-consuming.

Han Solo had big bragging rights for his ability to plot a surprisingly short path on "the kessel run" which implies that a shorter distance traveled is the same as traveling faster, no matter how many jumps you make (so long as it is planned quickly, I guess)
Legends decided that somewhere in or near that "run" there would be a pile of bullshit called "the maw" which was basically a bunch of blackholes orbiting each-other that somehow didn't all collide and merge.

>>723395108
thats the point. the turians are super dicksuckers for protocol who think ever new race is a potential set of krogans that needs to be stomped back into line for daring to venture out into Alliance space without knowing the rules.

Given how much Asari fuckery is involved in the alliance I would presume that the Asari purposefully encouraged this attitude because they needed new attack dogs to replace the krogan after the krogan kept going once the rachni wars ended.
They wanted something as eager as the krogan but bound to predetermined rules more tightly.

The turians were the answer, and were just aggressive enough that the asari could come in after they mauled someone and act as the savior offering peace and sexy blue bitches.

>>723427797
From Han Solo saying bad jump coordinates will put you into the middle of the sun to all the times it's mentioned to be lethal in the Legends EU, I'm just going to stick with "bad hyperspace jumps kill you" and leave it at that.

>>723397205
imagine the bullshit that would go on if a volus merchant group with some turian security contractors made it into deep space nine
meanwhile, a salarian scientist in their employ figures out a way to synthesize latinum.

>>723421610
I think one time in TOS they tried to pull the convergent evolution card, but every other time it's either a failed human colony or an alien planet that somehow got influences by human culture before they were ready.

Nice to see we can still have Star Trek threads on /vee/

>>723427797
>Your ships hyperdrive, if functioning correctly, detects that and shuts off early.
This implies it's possible for someone to intentionally make it function incorrectly.

>>723404239
James T Kirk was canonically a genius.
Where Picard was a dick in his youth it shaped him into a better man. Where Kirk was a nerd it also shaped him into a better man.
Kirk was also a flirt tho. He didn't go sleeping around but he did eye up a lot of dames.

>>723405212
Even though I really enjoy DS9 I do hate how Worf got absolutely fucked in it. I still can't get over that part where he fucked up the weather control on that pleasure planet, possibly killing countless people because WHOOP WEATHER'S NOT STABLE TIME FOR SOME FLASH FLOODS. Kinda feels like the writers had it out for Worf which makes me wonder if the heavy lifting of why people like Worf so fucking much is Michael Dorn

>>723398127
Deep Space 9 is trash id rather have the Enterprise crew

>>723428324
I always figured it might depend more on the hyperdrive itself.
The entire principle of the interdiction star destroyers is that they project an artificial gravity well in hyperspace that locks out everyone elses hyperdrive.

So there HAS to be some sort of interaction or safety mechanism to try and avoid traveling INTO a hyperspace shadow, but it makes sense that it would vary in method and/or quality.

Given how ramshackle the millenium falcon was, I am FULLY willing to believe that a LOT of hyperdrives CAN put you into a sun before they disengage, OR just put you close enough that the moment you pop out the ship is getting fried by the sun.

>>723428504
you can, yes? thats how interdictors work.
but the only other thing you can do besides trigger it early is make it trigger late.
The result will be your ship splatters on the hyperspace SHADOW, and once the drive fails it reverts to realspace, decelerates inherently again, and some wreckage of indeterminate size will be flying forward at the normal sublight speed it was going at before.

the shitty movie stunt is still impossible.

>>723428632
Worf and the entire Klingon War bullshit was forced on the writers by studio execs who thought the Dominion War plot was progressing too slowly.

>>723427797
Which movie was this explained in?

>>723391789 (OP)
TOS yes, Next Gen no.
Kirk would just wipe the Reapers cause fuck em, but Picard would try his usual diplomacy and fail horribly.

Man, I tried watching The Next Generation, but after about 10 episodes I gave up. The episodes are terrible and the characters are completely inept. There's no reason for any of them to be in the positions they're in, they don't make any correct decisions, and then they don't solve any problems either, things just kind of happen to them as they stand there lost, watching everything and miraculously surviving.
Then I searched the Internet and I think there was a Redditor saying to start with the third season, and I did, and really the quality of the writing there improves considerably.
About Mass Effect, I have nothing to say, I always thought it was a game for normalfags so I never even touched them.

>>723428504
>>723428665
let me explain hyperspace further.
the entire way the drive works is that it makes a sciencemagic bubble that puts the ship into hyperspace.
nothing else.
people spout bullshit NOW about "reaching lightspeed" to go into it but if that were the case desperate fucks would be using lightspeed rams everywhere
the REALM of hyperspace has different laws of physics that mean shit just goes WAY faster than normal, letting realspace physics get broken.
the transition to and from hyperspace simultaneously speeds things up and slows them back down, because if anything else happened the ships and crew would be ripped apart in the process.
because of this, there is no way to weaponize faster than light travel in star wars, which is why it was NEVER a tactic ANYONE at ANYTIME ever used before disney came and fucked the lore up.

>>723428832
oh you are just a faggot trolling.
my explanation will stand for NON-retards to look upon

>>723409952
>tactical cube

>>723429014
Not gonna say Disney's new lore is any good, but they made it clear when they bought it that all the previous EU lore was being thrown out the window, so judging Disney lore by pre-Disney lore is dumb. Disney lore is stupid enough on its own that it doesn't need the help.

>>723429741
>Disney lore by pre-Disney lore is dumb
retard detected
per their own kept-in lore, it was still impossible.
they never bothered changing it.
they were lazy IDIOTS.
thats why nobody ever across hundreds of thousands of years of hyperspace travel thought to weaponize it until one GIRLBOSS did

>>723429817
>per their own kept-in lore
Prove it

>>723428996
sounds like you would enjoy Deep Space Nine a lot more

>>723391789 (OP)
>Captain, sensors indicate the Reapers are stuck in dark space without any means to get here within the next 100,000 years
>Fantastic Mr Spock, let's go home. Make it so.

>>723391789 (OP)
Every single trek crew could handle the event of ME with ease. Even the fucking protostar crew made up of literal children and a hologram.

>>723418089
>We are an expeditionary probe from a friendly species!

>>723398127
>Picard gets Spock, Seven and Odo
h4x

>>723429887
this is from the "canon" version of wookiepedia.
all they did was obscure the technical bit of legends lore about how the drive would make ripples in space to push the ship into hyperspace with its special bubble.
they put in a small amount of whiplash that is obviously negligible since the only structure affected is glass... which is also silly because they don't use proper glass in starwars.
they use "transparisteel"

they STILL have an inherent deceleration and an acceleration, and PER the last paragraph, its only the appearance of doing so.
PER the nu-lore, the ship doesn't actually go lightspeed.
it goes somewhere else that lets it travel faster RELATIVE to realspace.

>>723428996
You never start TNG at season 1. You never start watching TNG at season 1.
Idiot.

>>723430272
>wiki
I'm not going to do your homework for you, post primary sources.

>>723430308
You should start TNG with season 1, with the understanding that it's hot garbage. You'll laugh at the dumb parts, be pleasantly surprised at the rare good parts, and it'll make the improvement from season 3 onward sweeter.

>>723430389
already did. you are demanding I do basic searching for YOU because YOU are just a retarded faggot.
its right there in the wiki, dumbass.

>>723428665
There are no safeties. It's part of the reason why the Republic doesn't cover the entire galaxy, the bigger it gets the less profitable taking the risk to chart new hyperspace lanes becomes. Hyperspace travel is inherently dangerous.

>>723430452
>You should start TNG with season 1
No, never. You watch it after the fact if you need to find out, but you never start watching the show with it.

>"Reap this"
>*snaps fingers*

>>723392574
>Troi
>"Your words are as empty as your future. I am the vanguard of your destruction. This exchange is over."
>"Captain, i'm sensing anger"

>>723428996
Understandable as season 1 is mostly garbage.
Consider watching a few episodes of season 2 like The Emissary and QWho as they are pretty good and connected to future episodes.

>>723430486
it would be inherently dangerous either way.
regardless of what you posted there are multiple instances in starwars where the hyperdrive disengages early... but fuck me I will have to delve into the actual books and its still proper lore, not nu lore.
furthermore the republic can't even control the breadth of the navigable section of space, so your idea about the republic being limited is pure bullshit.
the outer rim is largely LAWLESS for a reason.
the republic literally DOESNT HAVE the military to keep law within its systems.
that is a major lore point.

>>723430486
Yeah between the Outer Rim, various other areas even in their own systems and the Unknown Regions I feel like at best the Galactic Republic/Empire covers maybe 1/3 of their own space.

>>723430539
This isn't Reddit. Your Karma isn't going to suffer if you admit you (gulp) watched The Bad Season of TNG first like some kind of uneducated pleb, please forgive me fellow /r Trekkies nerds.

>>723404714
How long til Bones tries to throttle Quark?

Irrefutable..

>>723431214
I can tell you're a geek because you were filtered by Chad Paris.

Tom is in A-tier with Tuvok. One of the only characters with flaws and complexity on the show.

>>723431214
I like Kes better than Seven.

>>723431214
WTF? Tom was the best character.

>>723431771
I liked her too in S1, but then she lost all her wisdom and became a boring background character who never said anything interesting.

>>723431214
t. Benkaran

>>723406734
"Well, it's been nice knowing you Wesley..."

>>723431896
It was kind of retarded for the 2 year old character to be the source of wisdom on the show

>>723392574
It's kinda ridicoulus how many times the Enterprise was not destroyed because if happened to have Data onboard.

>>723431214
C'mon Janeway is at least in A.

>>723432303
It's ridiculous that the Enterprise gained sentience and modified its own sensors that one time to detect an anomaly that otherwise would've killed everyone on board in seconds with no way to react

>>723432303
It's also kinda ridiculous how many times the Enterprise was almost destroyed because it happened to have Data onboard.

>>723420656
Nah it all sucked

Why are Trek threads on /v/ always so nice? They arent full to the brim of the usual tomfoolery that plagues all the other threads and boards.

>>723434038
Because Trek is a true nerd series, it absolutely filters normalfags and low-IQ shitposters.

>>723430883
>also I'm pregnant now

>>723398127
>Riker AND Janeway have the "We're FUCKED" face

>>723405361
>I think it was decided that the Star Wars universe would win because hyperdrive ships are much faster than warp drive ships.

I thought it was more of the scale they could bring.

Like a ST Starship is better than the vast majority of ships in Star Wars, but since the Federation only controls a portion of one quarter of the galaxy, vs a galactic empire, they can just send 10 Star Destroyers for every Starship and just overwhelm them with numbers.

>>723434038
Trek is a classy series for well mannered people.

>>723435836
i don't get people who hate Vic episodes

>>723391789 (OP)
Phaser alone would buttfuck anything that tried to challenge them from ME

>>723435924
A full third of his introductory episode is him singing

>>723435924
If they were sprinkled more evenly throughout the show, or even the last few seasons, but most of them were in season 7, when everyone knew they were trying to wrap up the show. On top of that, while "Paper Moon" was fundamentally a good episode, it made the same mistake TNG frequently did where some rando did a better job counselling someone than the actual dedicated professional counsellor.

>>723436203
Dax sucking at her supposed role and being a total waste of life on the show wasn't anything new

>>723434038
Pre JJ Trek filters low IQ "people" like ejeets and retarded zoomers (That doesn't mean all zoomers relax, gg on not being a retard if you are a zoomer who enjoys old trek)

>>723436303
I get they couldn't account for Berman spazzing out and shitcanning Jadzia for retarded reasons, but I don't know why they decided to make Ezri a counsellor of all things and then not let her actually do her job.

>>723436605
I don't understand why they didn't kill off her character entirely.

>>723436605
>why they decided to make Ezri a counsellor
The irony of a shrink having more issues than anyone she's treating

>Casualfag to trek (Movies (Kirk cres) mostly and a few TNG episodes)
>enjoy /v/ trek threads a lot even though I can barely follow along

>>723436956
remember when Garak bullied her once and then in the next scene she's trying to resign her commission or whatever and leave DS9? LMAO

>>723398127
Who is Sisko#6 even supposed to be, Troi?

>>723437126
It doesn't matter, she's not actually in it

>>723421610
i think tng had a episode about multiple planets, humans included, were seeded by an ancient race. nothing came of it and it was just a little indiana jones adventure for picard.

>>723436748
I'm assuming they already had plans for "Dax" like being the one who shows up in the first couple episodes to help Sisko unfuck himself, and decided to take advantage of Trill symbiote bullshit to keep the character going. They just fucked the landing by overthinking it and trying to make her not just a Jadzia clone when they didn't have nearly enough time to establish why anyone should care about Ezri beyond being the next Dax.

>>723437664
>I'm assuming they already had plans for "Dax" like being the one who shows up in the first couple episodes to help Sisko unfuck himself
huh??? Ezri coming along was WELL past the point where it had been proven that Kira was a better "best friend" to Sisko better than "Jadzia" had ever been. there was really no excuse at that point.

>>723437976
Jadzia was still Sisko's confidant in a lot of situations, like in Pale Moonlight. Kira was never his "best friend," she was his best 2IC, and there's a difference between the two. It wouldn't make sense for Kira to drop everything in the middle of the war when she has a station to lead and some Romulans to cuck, whereas Jadzia would be either helping Sisko or being a background character in a Klingon episode yet again.

seriously imagine any time you ever remembered Jadzia Dax saying anything technobabble-y or supposedly "smart" like her love of opera and poetry. you NEVER bought it. I bet you totally forgot she's supposed to be the "science officer" of the show.

>>723391789 (OP)
>Team I
Fixes it with less losses than shepard, turns cerberus into sec 31 as afterthought
>Team II
Sends Data onboard a reaper 34,6 second later half the reapers suicide in newfound shame, the rest disarms and offer themselves as Spacestations to the council races in the hope of improving organic/AI relations

>>723391789 (OP)
>Literally missing the top tier women

>>723438265
>Jadzia was still Sisko's confidant in a lot of situations
yeah but what I'm saying is this NEVER actually worked because Terry Farrell couldn't pull it off. Avery and Nana in scenes are more of equals and you can actually fucking believe in their relationship WAY more because SHE is actually a good actor.

>>723438484
Maybe but that doesn't change what their characters actually were.

>>723392224
The enterprise D once altered the trajectory of a neutron star. In DS9, a mid sized fleet of ships glsssed a planet with a single volley.

>>723393010
>casually blackmails a teenager into suicide with the aid of his senior staff
>nobody gives a shit, whole incident is instantly forgotten
this is the future Roddenberry envisioned.

>>723391789 (OP)
>Could either of these crews survive and finish the events in the Mass Effect trilogy?
That's a 2 part episode in star trek and they are back next week.

>>723438705
yeah but if you kill off a character because the actor is leaving you could just...leave that character dead instead of casting someone totally new in order to put her in a retarded worthless love triangle with Worf and Bashir.

>>723438718
>once altered the trajectory of a neutron star
A stellar core fragment. By about 1%. And if it hadn't been already on the verge of passing by without causing damage it wouldn't have saved anyone. It's impressive in a pure numbers way but practically it's meaningless.

>>723439164
Was that even a thing, past that one episode of Worf looking seething and ezri doing a "you must be better men" v0.1?
I don't know, maybe I missed some episodes there

>>723439210
>It's impressive in a pure numbers way
That's my point. It's a fucking retarded amount of power. Within an order of magnitude of the death star.

>>723439363
>Was that even a thing
bruh that was incredibly a thing I dunno how you could forget all the fucking retarded scenes wasted on Worf being mad at Ezri because she had a dream about Bashir WHILE THEY'RE CAPTIVE and Weyoun 7 is like
>I have a xenovoyeurism fetish I can't wait to watch these two fuck lmao

dude trust me you gotta rewatch the show. it is RETARDED.

>>723391789 (OP)
>These "Batarians"... are they like Maquis?

>>723439461
ah yeah now I remember, hanging from ceiling and all

>>723439385
>the death star
One upped by a space slug that was borderline invincible and ate multiple planets at a fraction of the size

>>723439164
I'm not arguing that anon, I'm saying why they did what they did.

>>723406251
> Data hard carries TNG crew, give him an Omni tool and there's no telling what he'll be capable of.
If the reapers found a way to hack Data he would become an unstoppable killing machine. He nearly got everyone on the ship killed that episode where his father summoned him. It took him mere minutes to hijack the Enterprise and seal his opposition away.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2653940/Star_Trek_Resurgence/
Bought this during sale. Apparently it's a telltale style game and I had no idea it even existed.

>>723439659
>Sun Crusher, major EU successor to the Deathstar, a decade long secret Imperial project foiled by Rogue squad
>TNG juryrigs it with a metaphasic shield and a particle wave off the emitter-phalanx

Would Kirk bang Liara or Tali?

>>723441038
Yes

>>723441038
Kirk would anguish over whether his duty to the ship and mission allows him to bang Chambers. Tali would go for Sulu but get rebuffed because Sulu isn't actually gay like his actor but is opposed to interspecies relationships. Liara would go for Spock with predictable results.

>>723441038
"or"?

>>723431214
Tom should be in B and Neelix in A. Other than that, I agree. The top 3 will always be Doctor, Seven and Tuvok.

>>723439516
That ain't Sisko, that's Hawk.

>>723435836
>the episode where Sisko made a big stink about 1950s racism despite living in a future that had no racism left on Earth and despite that it's a holoprogram where the AI's can't tell the difference what you look like.
Bashir had no problem chillin with Miles in all their medieval battle programs despite him being Indian

>>723437240
>Bones has a running tab at Quark's

>>723441569
yeah but then his (also black) gf told him was being fucking retarded and he fell in line instantly

>>723434038
/trek/'s really not that bad these days either

there's just one schizo obsessed with Pickle Trek but he's easily ignored

>>723437240
Where's Garak?

>>723441569
It's cause Avery is an uppity nog in real life while Alex Siddig is dune coon nobility and just wanted to do crazy western TV shit for fun.

>>723438721
>orders a commissioned military officer to do her duty
Oh no!

Anyway maybe Nu Trek is more your speed. I'm sure Picard and Seto would've had a big cry and they would've defeated the Cardassians with the power of love and truth.

>>723436748
The actress was hot at least

>>723441314
>is opposed to interspecies relationships.
He fucked M'ress

>>723441905
>orders
He doesn't because he can't. It's a special operation that's entirely her choice.

>>723441830
Too powerful, would unbalance the whole game.
Unless he was on the opposite side of Miles "Of Dead Cardies" O'Brien, of course.

>>723441830
Sisko was taken from before Garak became a semi-major character

>>723442273
If she regrets it, it's his fault, he's to blame. It's not her responsibility; she's free.

>>723406734
The reason someone died on Virmire is because shit went wrong during the process of trying to blow up the cloning facility. Both Enterprises are better equipped, better manned, and more importantly are perfectly capable of just blowing up the site with a photon torpedo from orbit. Kirk would still find a way to lose a nameless security officer there though.

>>723442937
>You are not Saren
>Redshirt has overly dramatic death clutching his head and writhing as he's Indoctrinated to death

>>723435751
It's a problem shown in the series proper where the Dominion just barfs out thousand-ship navies for every couple-hundred ship Federation fleets; in spite of being post-scarcity society with an economy of "yes", Federation is crippled whenever you start to stretch them out.

>>723430964
>This isn't Reddit.
You can't use that as a crutch every time you disagree with someone. You're not 4.

>>723443737
>in spite of being post-scarcity society with an economy of "yes"
Replicators don't work at scale. At a certain point it's infinitely more economical to mine shit and transport it across space to refine and process into parts you assemble at a drydock than it is to try and energy-to-matter convert it out of thin air.

Also the fact that, in comparison, the Empire came directly out of the Republic that already spent thousands of years growing to that size. The Federation is barely 250 by DS9 and has always had two equal sized, hostile nations breathing down its neck with a third nipping at its heels more recently.

>>723443737
>>723444050
The actual issue is that replicators just can't make a large variety of critical materials and devices or even device components so these have to be obtained, refined, and assembled manually. This doesn't affect people on a daily life scale because people just need a comfortable environment and food and clothes and what not, but does affect star trek space ships, which are borderline cosmic abominations requiring huge amounts of impossibly precise components and exotic materials. That said, DS9 DID fuck with this a bit by having the self replicating minefield (implying that a replicator can replicate a functional replicator, which implies a level of fidelity that would undermine the economic argument for manually making machines)

>>723444460
>self replicating minefield
They self replicate! They cloak! They move! They swarm target!

They probably found one fucking O'Brien's wife, too.

>>723442791
Damn. I wonder how Garak would play off with the TOS, Voy & TNG crews.

>>723391789 (OP)
Easily.

>>723444607
No one wants to fuck O'Brien's wife, that's the one suffering he's safe from

I've never seen star trek but I thought all they did was sit in a space ship while the captain barked extremely simple orders like "they are shooting at us, use evasive action" "we are going to get hit by something, use shields!"

>>723395108
Yes. Turians are fucking retards. Which is why turian women owe human men sex.

>>723444763
It sounds like you heard of a really simplified version of Balance of Terror, which is the first time Star Trek depicts a battle between starships and gets remembered a lot for establishing the Romulans. If you want to figure out what they're really talking about...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgbAuukMcjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JIPI7zxpQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV9c2fj9iPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKoF45apwYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmLdIWMLJOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zaDFdkkBn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYnk4AqUpfA

>>723395657
The star trek 'deflector' systems are TEO separate systems. The 'main deflector dish' is a giant particle fountain. It is basically a CRT. It shits out a stream of hard particles that 'decay' and bend back around behind to 'anchor' in the ships' asshole, effectively giving the vessel an artificial version of earths' magnetosphere. Hard radiation that would otherwise cook the crew alive bounces off, drawing power to maintain the field.

And then star trek has 'deflector' shields.
When the timey-wimey bullshit happened with the tholian web, and the temporally displaced USS DEFIANT, the defiant was discovered to have a strange device, a coil of some funky metal, that when warp plasma was energised through it, created a hard force field as if there was a whole 'another 'hull' atop the real hull. And that is pretty much all we got as an explanation of it, with starfleet quickly incorporating the discovery into every ship's shield system. WHERE the 'deflector shield' came from has never been adequately explained ever.

THEN star trek has the 'shields' which are energy or ray shields.

'Deflectors' effect matter and hard radiations.
'Shields' effect directed energy weaponry.

Don't ask me why they don't work vice versa, etc.

ALSO, please note that thanks to writers sucking all of the ass most of the time, they frequently conflate 'deflectors', "THE deflector" and 'shields'. Both in source, effects and purposes. Also in function, power sources etc.

>>723391789 (OP)
How about these guys?

>>723398348
Kirk and worf would go out drinking and whor-... uh, dancing...

>>723399096
Transporter tech is banned for weaponisation by intergalactic treaties. Even the romulans are signatories.
Otherwise the klingons would just fly cloaked cargo ships near everything romulan and transport romulans into space 500,000 people at a time.
Weaponising transporters is on-par with arming a ship with tricobalts or subspace detonators etc.

Or omega particles.

>>723399096
>>723445587
Weirdly, even the Jem'Hadar think using teleportation to instantly and efficiently subjugate their enemies is a bridge too far.

>>723401968
team warcrimes and terrorism

>>723391789 (OP)
what is their opinion on batarians?

>>723445767
>>723445587
>put up basically any kind of shield
>transportation is now useless or significantly harder to achieve
At that point it's the same shit as shooting them

>>723408453
The enterprise D (galaxy class) has four forward tubes and two rear tubes, can salvo 5 photons at a time. And has a 'shot locker' of 250 torpedoes.

>>723446235
>The Commies and the Yanks
Bravo Roddenberry

>>723445947
I'm not talking about just transporters, but an Iconian gateway that can completely bypass conventional shielding systems that they were willing to call truce with the Federation just to destroy even though they had manged to secure it.

>>723446326
It's funny that he thought he could get an Emmy with the episode.

>>723391789 (OP)
Even Kirk's Enterprise would just straight up shit on the Reapers. He'd probably fuck everything in sight too. On top of that, I think even if you lost everyone in that picture and didn't bring a ship, Data alone could probably solve the whole situation.

>>723446528
The Iconians were genocided despite having Gateway technology, you know.

>>723446791
I thought they were kicked out of the galaxy, not genocided. Similar to how SFB states the Tholians were a galaxy-dominating policy in some ways on-par with the Iconians that also got kicked out of their home galaxy after being a bunch of pricks to the client races that ran all their fancy infrastructure.

>>723446931
In the TNG episode Iconia has been bombarded from orbit and the Iconians themselves are basically a myth, the "Demons of Air and Darkness" were painted as conquerors who had it coming and some may have survived in enclaves with friendlier species because three alien languages have similarities to Iconian.

In STO you're on the planet, as it happens, with an eye to make sure none of them survive.

>>723446931
Nope. The tholians are hyper xenophobic. But they persist against all comers because the tholians are ALL the tholians. From every single dimension. The tholians have infinity planets because they have every tholian homework in every dimension. The uss defiant was captured from some other dimension where starfleet had more advanced tech and was years further along than the enterprise prime universe. And they were captured and taken to the mirror universe. The tholians have interdimensional drive. They can freely travel between the realities.

That is why they are fully named the 'tholian assembly' instead of just 'the tholians' despite 'only' having a very small territory around their homeworld. It's also why they can fight any other polity to a stand still. Despite having a 'single' planet.

>>723447401
So I guess the SFB Tholians would technically be part of this intra-dimensional network, but only a single fragment of their whole? It stands to reason some branches would be more successful than others and have different levels of control over their particular universe.

>>723447401
You put that bullshit back in the cow you took it from and don't mention it again

>>723447543
Yep. The tholians are a super threat. It is why starfleet, romulans AND klingons all have treaties to leave those crazy fuckers alone.

If the tholians only had ONE planet, the klingons would have rolled them forever ago.

>>723398805
Doctor who?

>>723447621
Dude. It's the fucking canon. The uss defiant is stolen from the prime universe by the tholians, is taken to the mirror universe by them, and has tech 5+ years better than the prime universe enterprise, including the deflector shield, and we see it become the ISS defiant for the terran empire with tech decades and decades in advance of the MU's TE.
That is at least THREE different realities and TIMES the tholians were able to CHOOSE to travel to.

Just because you don't LIKE it, doesn't make it NOT so.

>>723447401
>>723447773
ENT is not canon
>just because you don't like i--
Nope, STD is not canon either. Neither is Nemesis.

Fuck. The uss defiant is stolen from 'A' possible future prime universe.*

>>723447773
Eh, the things that rely on heavy subtext to understand never sit well with me, even if you're technically correct. Problem is that the Tholians were too budget-intensive to use often enough to establish them in the show, but it would had been neat to see them get annoyed at the Dominion and show them bitchslap an intrusive Jem'Hadar fleet thinking it can pass through them like they're scenery.

>>723447837
Dude, prime universe starfleet got deflector shields thanks to tholian timey wimey dimensional travelling fuckery. Tng, voyager, ds9, everyone has deflector shields.

It's canon. So get fucked.

>trek thread almost over
postan Troi booba

>>723447953
Nope.

Enterprise is not canon. Lower Decks is not canon. SNW is not canon. STD is not canon.
Fuck you.

>>723447925
Yes. We ALWAYS have to parse shit through the 'TV show has shit fucking budgets'. Jemmy radar fleet would have been very, very upset at getting their 20 thousand ships webbed and drained and broken down into fucking salvage by slave gangs.

Utterly horrified at not even being able to go out in a fight.

>>723447997
It's from tOS. You clown.

>>723442273
>>723441905
>>723442918
the entire deal was
>picard can't order her to go on the suicide mission, but he absolutely will destroy her career if she didn't go on the suicide mission.

>>723448090
You dont understand how military organizations work

Installing mods for LE. Getting kind of bored.

>>723445331
I thought deflector shields worked by using graviton particles in a manner similar to gravity plating: you hear the clamps holding down the Defiant buckle under them when they're activated. And technically, only the Terran Empire discovered them through time shenanigans; the Federation proper likely developed them after the Earth-Romulan War.

>>723421547
>if you could have made your own captain and had a different crew i'd be all over it though
This. I like the concept of the game I just have zero interest in running through the plot of Voyager.

>>723448134
https://youtu.be/Vxrve7iIlhk?t=109

I'VE GOT STRENGTH, OF THE SOUL

>>723448082

>Computer increase the councilor's bust size by 500% and turn off safety protocols,

>>723448090
What are you talking about? There was no implied repercussions if she didn't volunteer for the mission at all. Stop making shit up.

>>723448302
Military, paramilitary, you get my point and you're a fucking retard

>>723448316
Enterprise had the best opening

>the Tholians use a stolen Tox Uhtat to destabilize the Na'khul homeworld's star, destroying their way of life and leading them to become embroiled in the Temporal Cold War, because the Na'khul destroyed a Tholian Queen and her entire brood fleet en route to a new colony world in the TOS era
>the Na'khul destroyed the Tholian Queen to try and trick the Tholians into a war with the Federation, and as revenge for the Tholians destabilizing their star almost 300 years in the future
Thank you Anon, your tall tale of "lmao infinity tholians" has finally invented something more needlessly stupid than this abomination of a stable time loop from Star Trek Online

>>723448230
You are forgetting kirk and co getting tholian'd and coming accross the defiant also. That's where they find the coil device.

>>723391789 (OP)
Federation focuses on exploration and research. So they wouldn't just go
>oh these are mass relays to travel across the galaxy, here is the citadel, it looks cool, and is maintained by these keepers
and then just ignore it like ME did. They would've studied them, undrstood them, be able to make their own. They would know the citadel is a giant mass relay, they would notice it can be controlled from outdide the galaxy. They would find the info left behind by prometheans about the reapers. Reapers without the element of surprise are kinda shit

I always forget all these ST minor powers like the tholians and sheliak
or even 'other' federation racers like the pig dudes and andorrans

>>723448540
They should had used the original music they made for the opening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZRuf3svyk0

>>723428996
Roddenbery was still alive during Seasons 1 and 2, and had a heavy hand in both. That's why there's such a drastic change in pace, tone, quality and writing from Season 3 on. But at the same time, it's not like TNG Seasons 3+ were perfect, mind you. It just ran into it's own set of problems. Like the constant roleplay on the holodeck episodes.

>>723448887
where's the map for the Z-axis of space?

>>723448958
>That's why there's such a drastic change in pace, tone, quality and writing from Season 3 on.
And, you know, no longer using old Star Trek Phase 2 scripts because of the Writer's Guild Strike.

>>723434038
Because off topic posting is safe from the usual e-drama that plagues these boards. The site is 20 years old now. There's more baggage on 4chan that LAX at Christmas.

>>723447986
>>723448031
>>723448082

>not using the shot of her in her night dress
You know the one.

>>723449003
All space is perfectly flat along the galactic plane. Up and down are meaningless.

>>723441569
in the 1950's, some Sudanese prince in Vegas would be a novelty compared some negro

>>723406734
Riker and Spock would sacrifice themselves on Virmire.

Kirk would successfully Paragon talk Saren into killing himself whereas Picard would fail the test

>>723398127
team 1 has the most combat potential
team 2 has the most science potential
team 3 is hard carried by data
team 4 is beastmode

>>723448908
I scoffed at it at first but it quickly grew on me. The extra instrument introduced in season 2+ was a kino moment. It also helps that it's the only Star Trek intro you can sing drunk at Karaoke instead of vaguely hum.

>>723449732
>the only Star Trek intro you can sing
TOS has lyrics because Gene jewed his composer out of half of his royalties

>>723449091
Was that the reason why there was so many filler episodes?

>>723449668
>team 4
>everyone flips out and does their own thing which is always some form of unplanned violence
>All of Janeway's orders coincidentally align with all of their actions even though she gives them several moments after they've started

>>723449980
Yes. Like the Season 2 finale being a goddamn clip show.

>>723439516
Nah, the Batarians aren't nearly as lame or as retarded as the Maquis. They're about as whiny though.

Mind you I only just finished watching S1 of TNG but I saw the Enterprise's Chief of Security get one shot killed by a black puddle of shit and the crew could do nothing but watch. They even got controlled like puppets for its amusement and lost all bodily autonomy. Reapers may be getting slept on itt. Enterprise itself seems significantly ahead of anything in the ME universe tech wise but if one Banshee manages to board I'm convinced it solos the entire crew what with their retarded looking double fist punches and cucked laser pointers

>>723431771
same
she was cute as fuck in s1
more hot takes
>ezri > jadzia
>leeta was the hottest character in all of ds9, evil kira close second
>sweaty janeway in that macrovirus episode was kinda hot
>dr crusher > troi

>>723405382
He killed the Klingon emperor and could have been the next if he wanted. I think that makes up for it all.

>>723450703
The Reapers are definitely a step above being the average evil AI Kirk faces every Sunday, but their technology is largely optimized toward fighting civilizations with an inferior version of said tech they lay out as a developmental trap. Their ships, or bodies I guess are designed to shrug off kinetic weapons and are basically the opposite of the Borg in how directed energy is their bane.
If they were written into a ST episode I could see them easily making a mess out of a non-hero ship that doesn't know what in the fuck it's looking at to warn the Enterprise of the dangers, but I'd also wonder if they would really try to bumrush Starfleet after realizing how easily their current hulls or destroyed or retreat and attempt to adapt? Since, even if their technology isn't really designed to slug it against a policy like the Federation, it's still technically more advanced.

>>723431214
>Kes and Harry above Tom

fuck no

>>723398127
the metafag team:
Kirk, Data, Spock, Worf, Seven, Odo, Doctor

>>723435836
Ezri sexxo!

>>723391789 (OP)
No.
Though exceptional in many ways, they lack the sheer esoteric arcane power necessary to defeat the Reapers.
>>723392224
Yes and no, only at surface glances to people who don't understand what eezo is.
Normal technology is more advanced in Trek than ME in terms of what's present, as is their theoretic knowledge, but eezo can be easily whipped up to do anything Trek does, sometimes better.
At upper bounds Mass Effect and Trek (and Halo, DW, etc at their most absurd) are directly equivalent in upper power and immense cosmic entities, mentioned or wholly absent, but implied by nature of events.
The Reapers, being abominations that partially exist outside material universe, cannot and could never have been defeated by anyone non-equivalent or superior, which is why the only thing that defeats them is a device that redacts reality, used by a mystery meat human.

>>723398127
Uhura getting carried by Team 2

>>723448090
This, he 100% pressured her into it. But it's the military and these things happen, people are so mad that you destroyed their image of wholesome chungus Picard.

>>723452830
This reminds me of the common tangent that Starfleet isn't really a military, but throughout the movie era and TNG, it seems that culturally the distinction between military and civilian organizations is basically non-existent as Romulans and Klingons constantly target civilian infrastructure directly without it being treated as particularly heinous, which IMO justifies civilian families being onboard ships like the Ent-D and Saratoga. At this point, it's basically just a fancy outdated title like knights during the 20th century.

>>723452305
Only serious, cerebral sci-fi here, none of thay Star Wars magic force shit.

>>723391789 (OP)
fuck all these niggers straight to hell.

>>723454079
Star Wars kind of threw off that reputation with Andor, but by then it was already too late.

Why do the current IP holders of startrek keep trying to make it into something it isn't.
It's trying desperately to appeal to the youth in the 2020s in order to get kids to care about it without realizing the way you do that is first and foremost make good TV.

>>723454474
They just don't want the old audience, simple as that.

>>723454474
You have to ask yourself if theres a single corporate entity and its employees that understand a niche. And when you reach your conclusion you’ll understand why most forms of media are horrible now.

>>723419836
>The most valuable substance ever is a metal that is liquid at room temperature
>It's most coveted by a species native to a swamp planet where everything is wet all the time

>>723419836
deal

>>723395108
>he didn't realize that the First Contact War was engineered
Shanxi had Reaper artifacts and directly set in motion numerous strife agents, 2 of which are TIM and Saren.
Turians wouldn't have attacked humans otherwise, they were made to.

>>723449207
episode number? I'll add it to my to-do list.

>>723406606
Lightsabers are constructed using the force to perfectly fuse matter at atomic and smaller scales. Equivalent technology to make lightsabers for mass use is too expensive and wholly unnecessary, given any number of cheaper alternatives.
In addition, lightsabers are very dangerous and very hard to wield due to gyroscopic effects.

>>723408953
The Doctor always could've erased the Cybermen from reality fully if he went far enough. He's too busy being chaotic and ineffective.

what would happen if that blue barrel hit miles obrian instead?

>>723457045
the cardies would pay for it with their blood

>>723429014
Disney didn't fuck up anything on this one, FTL warfare always was possible in SW.
It never happens because it is prevented by the SW mythos at most time junctures barring the late times of Dawn Era and everything concerning Wutzek for the purposes of certain meaning of life and cyclical war between the Jedi and the Sith.

What Holdo has done is unlikely to be an FTL attack.

>>723391789 (OP)
The slow, passive nature of the Enterprise is intentional because it doesn't need to be aggressive. Its not that they aren't warriors, its that they don't need to be

>>723456721
First generation lightsabers weren't that sophisticated, they were basically fancy plasma cutters. I have a theory the gyroscopic effect was to make it feel similar to wielding something with a power cord.

>>723449245
that's bullshit but I believe you

>>723447986
Now this is pod racing! Got any more pec winks like that?!

>>723444763
>>723445116
balance of terror is kind of a bad example because of extenuating circumstances (both ships were sensor blind) because they wanted to do a submarine battle in space, complete with shooting shit out of torpedo tubes to simulate debris.
Star trek fights consist of the captain pretty much calling pre-made attack patterns like a quarterback calls plays, which we usually dont see the precise nature of, with occasional requests for tactical to target specific subsystems to knock them out. Since most of the shows really only ever deal with one ship, though, you never really see a large scale battle apart from a few times in DS9.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b844JuLmaO0

>>723454474
queer leftism has dug its nails DEEP into everything reddit would consider "nerd culture," and stars trek and wars are cornerstones of that. D&D also, which is why shit like pic related exists.

>>723457942
They very much were. Lightsabers are heavy duty tools, if they had even a momentary imperfection there'd be explosive failures.

The tech itself wasn't there yet (except for the Rakatans in their time), but the force itself always allows such precision construction.

>>723458226
Kurtzman doesn't really strike me as one of those people though, he's just kind of stupid. Maybe he rubber-stamps a bunch of writers who are into that because they whisper sweet nothings into his ear.

>>723448642
STO consists of like 98% dogshit fanfiction
>that current arc where current Terran Emperor Wesley Crusher, complete with Traveler powers, attempts to merge with mirror V'ger and become a god, and you team up with mirror Leeta, who's an admiral, to defeat him.
>he only stops because he accidentally injures his mom and starts crying.
I wish I was fucking joking.