Thread 723392163

I've noticed this game is SUPER stompy, even if you put noobs with less than 30 hours in the game with each other 90% if the times it will end in a 11-2 roll, is this why the game failed?

>>723392163 (OP)
That, a lack of advertising and not on console. Yeah the console players would still get stomped along with parts of the game getting casualized for controller but where you're turning a hardcore arena shooter into a hero shooter then you might as well go full hog with it.

>>723392320
who would even play quake on console

>>723392163 (OP)
I assume you're referring to duel, and yes even if there's a 5% skill difference between players due to the nature of duel it will be very snowbally. Champions remedies this a bit with abilities, it's amplified much more in quake live

the real reason these games are dead is it's a white man's game and requires high iq, all the brownoids can't into quake

>>723392163 (OP)
I dont mind getting stomped, it happens when you are a noob, but it takes forever to get into the game last I tried. I think I spent more time waiting for a match than I had time in a match.

>>723393710
game is dead because you need to be 100% focused for 10+ minutes
there's literally zero downtime except in fucking CA (which champions doesn't have) and that was the top game mode for QL

>>723392163 (OP)
I tried it couple months ago and everyone I played with sucked ass.

>>723392163 (OP)
maybe yeah but its a skill based free to play game. theres no way to have that exist without the better players always kinda doing better, theres no barrier to entry and a high skill ceiling and to my knowledge it doesnt do skill based matchmaking it just pairs you with whos available.

>>723393926
why would you want 'downtime' in a multiplayer deathmatch game? Like in battlefield there is "downtime" when you wait to spawn or move to another objective but thats because its a game simulating war battles why would that be a thing in quake??

>>723393926
Thinking back I believe this played a key part in cs completely obliterating unreal and quake when I was a kid. In theory spectating someone should not be fun, but in practice it worked well as it offered a chance to rest and maybe even learn.

>>723395276
CS also has small amount of downtime on roundstart when buying in stuff and running to choke points. Let's you think a bit about how to approach the conflict.
QC gives a bit of thinking time after each round win/loss to give you time to pick your champ but classic quake duel is just 100% action as soon as it starts.
CTF in pub is very casual when everyone sucks but it was never very popular.
TDM is sweaty as hell with weapon dropping and armor sharing with others and holy fuck if you snipe a good item from your quad runner you're gonna get flamed.
Anyway no one ever considered CA competitive on any levels but it was what people wanted to play. That and freezetag instagib.

>>723395154
no other game stomps the worse players this hard except maybe some slop like cod but quake is competitive

>>723396979
I know I went thru a phase of getting stomped in it too but im better now

>>723397053
people don't want the better guy to always win, otherwise matches will be boring

>>723397917
ok.... do you want me to debate you or something?
>I have no competitive spirit debate me

>>723393926
I don't buy this because league of legends and dota require 100% concentration for 30+ minutes or even an hour, and league was the most popular game in the world for many years
you could argue there is downtime inbetween deaths or walking back to lane but not really if you want to be competitive you need to be thinking about what to do next, whats happening on the map or thinking about the next objective fight etc.
the reality is the game is hard and cs is easier, back then cs was considered the casual game, just like league to dota, the "easier" game wins out because people are faggots

>>723397993
why do you think people root for underdogs? they want matches to be unpredictable

dead game. we playing quake live again

>>723395252
You absolutely need downtime. Its why tactic shooters and battle royales are popular.
You need that time to build focus for the next big engagement, when you don’t have it your eyes start to glaze over after a while . Stimulation overload is real and it did more damage to arena shooters than i think the average person would care to admit

I HATED CS specifically because of the stupid downtimes and sneaking around and shit.
I needed my quake momentum 24/7.
t. actual ADHD retard

>>723398512
Theirs absolutely downtime where your just kinda pushing a lane or waiting for someone to get jumped on while you wait in the nearby trees

>>723398512
>the "easier" game wins out because people are faggots
rapha tried to play overwatch and he failed
you are a stupid moron

>>723398896
Overwatch is a whole other beast than quake, no idea why anyone would think skills would carry over.
Ow is more about game sense and timing to team wipe the opposing players at once instead of raw aim and timing for advantage

>>723399081
rapha accused everyone of cheating
it was pathetic

>>723392163 (OP)
i want nyx to stomp on me with her boots

>>723399157
>>723399081
i noticed cooller is playing ow2 again right now. and i believe he was doing pretty well in ow1

>>723399081
>Ow is more about game sense and timing to team wipe the opposing players
like league?

>>723399416
For me OW is like a unholy TF2 MOBA. I didn't enjoy it at all.

>>723399416
Yeah kinda, both games are pretty much decided by how the team fight starts and spell usage all at once for a wipe
Meanwhile quake especially duel is about raw aim, and finding the right time to pounce on the other players when you have a stack advantage or position advantage
L

>>723398896
>this chess player totally sucked ass at monoply!!
is this bait? It's a completely different skillset, the most obvious being its a team game
please kill yourself you stupid paki cunt

>>723399610
>Meanwhile quake especially duel is about raw aim
meanwhile in the real world rapha was accusing everyone of aimbotting

>>723399157
well, were they?

>>723399680
quake has nothing to do with chess
monopoly is a luck based game unlike overwatch
you are dumb

>>723399709
nope
They had better aim than him

>>723398724
I was mostly talking about league to be fair
in league even when pushing a wave you need to be paying attention to the map and what is happening elsewhere in case you get ganked or need to tp for your team, the closest thing you have to downtime is walking back to lane after buying

>>723399789
quake is quite literally the video game equivalent of chess you 80iq brown subhuman
overwatch you press a button and win, perfect for groids like yourself

>>723400008
Its not that deep anon. Quake is just being a pussy jumping around the map until you have such a stack advantage bullying the other players with spam you can run at them full force.
If you kill them, then you quickly rush around the map to bully them more now they can’t fight back
If you get railed like twice you reset and go back to running around the map
If you die now you have to rush around staying away from the other rguy so you don’t get bullied
Repeat until game is over
Its very one note and pretty much the entire game can be put on a flow chart

>>723400008
chess is a complete information board game
chess is still alive unlike your dead franchise
>overwatch you press a button and win, perfect for groids like yourself
Rapha quit Overwatch because other people had better aim than him.

>>723399610
>Meanwhile quake especially duel is about raw aim
lmao

>>723400207
quake strategy is very shallow
compare quake to chess is really stupid

>>723400207
It’s not that deep, anon. Chess is just about playing safe until you build up a strong enough position to bully your opponent with threats they can’t stop.
If you win a piece, you tighten control over the board so they can’t recover.
If your attack gets countered, you retreat and reset your defenses.
If you blunder, now you’re the one scrambling to avoid getting cornered.
Repeat until the game’s over.
It’s pretty one-note — you could sum the whole thing up with a flowchart.

>>723400327
Yeah just having good tracking for lg and good flicking for rail already puts you above 90% of people who ever played quake

>>723400290
>Rapha quit Overwatch because other people had better aim than him.
This is how you know people don't play any of these games, Quake has less of an aim burden than CS.

>>723400379
positional play is very complex dumbass
even pawn endings can be very confusing
you are dumb as hell

>>723399610
>Meanwhile quake especially duel is about raw aim
rapha has bad aim comparatively to his peers, so why is he best if it's just about raw aim?
oh cause you're brown and 30 years old still playing blizzard games

>>723400460
this is what am saying
rapha aim was not good enough for overwatch
thats why he returned to quake

>>723400379
Now you’re just coping bro. I can assure you i have played more quake live than most humans on this board.
I like it, but its one note.
Im still in the belief if you spend up tf2 6s a bit and made that its own game like a spitural successor it would have been the most popular arena shooter of all time.
Their was definitely some sauce in that.
But nah every arena shooter successor attempt basically just copies q3 over and over as if q3 didn’t die the second counter strike was an option.
Reflex diabotical warsaw
Very sad arena bros

this thread is full of indians who never played a single game of quake, ow or tf2

>>723400535
His aim is more than good enough why are you pretending he can’t aim and again its also about stack advantage and positioning.
Im not saying its just an aim trainer but even when you add on the other bits, its still relatively simple

>>723400579
>Reflex diabotical warsaw
>Very sad arena bros
i miss painkiller
nobody wants to play painkiller

>>723400468
I have higher elo than you in both games, you've never achieved anything in your life
kill yourself paki im leaving this thread and wont read your reply cause it stinks of curry bye

>>723400749
COWARD

>>723400412
the quake pro scene is dominated by 40+ boomers with garbage reflexes plus 90% of the times the rail is prediction from an angle-especially since there is no headshot. i'm a noob and even i know this
is this why you retards refused to duel me?

>>723401057
The quake pro scene only ever had like 90 people who ever seriously tried to compete at the highest level at its peak. Majority of players never touched duel, they just dm’d on some random random garbage map on a 110 ping server for a couple of hours and moved on with their ljfe
Its way less impressive to be a top player in such a small pond compared to being a top player in even lime fornite where you are competing with 100,000,000s of players trying to be number 1

>>723400542
the people would best aim out there are trannies who grinded thousands of hours in aimlab
quake pros' aims are not better than some retarded pubstomper sniper from tf2
rapha himself said he doesn't aimtrain
even fags like k1llsen known for their rail go for prediction rockets 90% of the time
quake takes less aim then overwatch and is about map and item control

>>723401290
you are just repeating what i am saying
stop talking

isn't pretty much every fps out there 50% game sense 25% teamwork and 25 mechanical skill? cs, ow, quake, tf2 etc...maybe excluding garbage like cod

>>723401515
nope
quake requires mechanical skill than most games thanks to strafe jumping
shitanfall 2 is a joke thanks to aim assist in controllers

>>723401671
strafe jumping is easier than rocket jumping in tf2

>>723401751
speaking of which, how are you enjoying momentum mod?

Quake rocket launcher makes me irrationally upset. I hate that minimum damage is 1, 25ish in tf2 makes way more sense.
I also could never get a good sense of quake rockets, they move too quick and jumping never felt good. The vertical force just doesn’t feel as good

>>723392163 (OP)
yeah there are no real equalizing mechanics, they kind of tried with the hero abilities but no quake player really wants that
I think they just need to make the main game mode noob driendly like CA or DM rather than duel

>>723402292
I did land a airshot on one of the nu maps for q1 rerelease and that was so fucking hype.
Dude left shortly after

bump

quake hampions

Quake is a hardcore competitive game, meant to be played by 3-digit IQ white men.
It's not only "aim slop" as zoomers say: you need to know the map, and it has a degree of "economy"; you need to know when each super shield and quad is going to spawn and control said section of the map. On top of that, QC has a pasive and active ability per character, and each character has a different set of skills. For example, Visor feels like Quake 3 but lets you see through walls with its "ultimate"; Anarki has ADHD movement, and so on.
The main problem is that it doesn't run on id Tech but a "fork" of id Tech 6 (I believe, I'm not quite sure if it uses nuDoom 2016's id Tech 6 or RAGE's id Tech 5; can't recall) and that Saber Interactive engine; you can't make mods for it. And both secondary problems are that there's no team to blame (like in Overwatch or Team Fortress 2) if you fuck up it's only your own fault and it has the OW2/TF2 brainworms with each character having its own playstyle and shit; Anarki is countered by Sorlag, and Clutch is countered by Ranger.
Quake Champions is GREAT but it FAILS. It's like a blonde 90-60-90 Stacy but with herpes. It's gorgeous; you have a blast fucking with it, but you will end up with AIDS.
It fails to appeal to zoomies 'cause you can't blame nobody for your own mistakes, you need some brain to learn the maps and skill to fucking aim , and it fails to appeal to the OGs/Boomers 'cause there's that clusterfuck engine is not moddable (Saber made a HUGE clusterfuck) and it has OW2/TF2 bullshit.
Quake Champions NEEDS a completely rework; run on pure and no modded id Tech and remove that fucking TF2/OW2 bullshit. Is unsalvageable: they need to make a new Quake game from the scratch.
And current id Software is not going to do that, if they fuck with Quake they will double down on a bullshit ass game like nuDoom The Goy Ages: is going to be aids with no multiplayer.
id Software should port Quake 3 Arena to id Tech 7 and release it as is.

grinding battlepass atm

>>723399476
>For me OW is like a unholy TF2 MOBA
That's deadlock.

>>723393926
>CA (which champions doesn't have)
doesnt it? im pretty sure its there under a different name or something

>>723405864
Well fuck that says much about how I followed the game. I tried it briefly in 2016 during the beta and while I enjoyed the CPM champs like sorlag and anarki it wasn't really enough to keep me in.
Might give it a try again one die.

>>723392519
funny as it is, people have been playing fps on consoles for some decades now.

>>723404171
I kneel

>>723392519
The zoomers playing Valorant on console probably have parents or uncles who would like to play Quake Champions on console.

I would like more focus on CA, FFA, and DM. Dueling I would like if it was shorter rounds like a fighting game or the 1v1 CA diabotiacl had, I think it was called aim arena? People mostly play CA in quake and UT, I don't know why most of the focus of the games is not put into it. CA in UT is really fun. Overwatch with random heroes gets me most of the way there on control maps, so I mostly play OW now. If you mostly like aiming, there is no reason to not play OW instead.

>>723392163 (OP)
It's an arena shooter. Zoomers can't think at that speed let alone comprehend the key to domination in this genre is map/route control before raw mechanical aiming.

>>723398517
I dont understand what you want for me to say, you do not enjoy the spirit of competition. Stop replying to me.

>>723404171
based

>>723398664
ok well the people who like these kind of shooters dont see an issue with focusing on something for ten minutes. I guess it really is just for people with a higher mental capacity by your own reasoning. So it makes sense as the cognitive ability of the general gaming user base got lower with mass appeal games becoming the norm arena shooters had to be phased out. You can go play counter strike or cod or whatever the fuck I think paying attention to something for 10 minutes is good for your mind and being able to do so generally promotes healthy attention span.

>>723398664
You're not making any sense. 10 minutes is too long to ask for attention? Really?

>>723408062
apparently so I think its interesting how hes taking an intellectual game design approach to say the average person has a retarded short attention span and he doesnt see anything wrong with this.

Why does open fortress feel so good to play?
Is it just my 2000 hours of muscle memory with the TF2 shotgun? Is it the fact it's the only arena shooter with an actual setting, not some sci-fi slop?

>>723407754
>millenialcels try not to think about zoomerCHADs for 30 seconds difficulty:IMPOSSIBLE

notice how every time there's an arena shooter thread a bunch of different people show up and start rambling about how modern FPS bad and yet none of them EVER replied to the guy asking for duels

>>723392320
>not on console
You put console players next to autistic quake players that have been playing it for 20 years and you sure as shit you're gonna have people hate quake with a passion

>>723404171
classic post

Are toxic positivity "pro" "gamers" still pretending the game doesn't have shitty netcode? You can see people run through walls before rubber banding back out. That and other problems mostly solved in Half-Life 1 multiplayer.

>>723407985
>So it makes sense as the cognitive ability of the general gaming user base got lower with mass appeal games becoming the norm arena shooters had to be phased out.
arena shooters fanboys are so delusional

>>723408934
>yet none of them EVER replied to the guy asking for duels
he lives in new york
FUCK HIM

>>723408934
no one has asked for duels, in the thread that was up 2 days ago I was dueling but only because NO ONE ELSE WOULD JOIN THE LOBBY SO WE HAD TO DUEL
the faggots who post in these threads dont even play games, let alone quake

>>723392163 (OP)
I remember pointing out some flaws the game had while on a tiny livestream. One user got super defensive, which seemed bizzare. Googled their username and it was one of the lead devs kek

>>723410906
syncerror?

>>723404171
quack hampigeons

>>723412538
hahaha so funny and randumb amirite guys? XD

I had fun calling LMGDiva (tranny player) a man in game

>>723413842
you're a delusional chud

>>723413419
updooted sir!

>>723392163 (OP)
We have Quake 3 Arena. You can not top perfection.
Who cares for special power and loadouts?

>>723392163 (OP)
They had a growing userbase early on, but then a few bad patches borked it enough for those players to disappear. I remember doing just fine in the games but not exactly stomping others, and things got quickly intense any time I ran into someone at least as good or better than myself so it had the potential to be really hooky.

>>723392163 (OP)
The reason is the matchmaking system, 8 max players, and the fact that you spend more time in menus waiting for games than in an actual server on a vanilla map rotation because it kicks you out when 1 single match is completed.

>>723395276
>In theory spectating someone should not be fun, but in practice it worked well as it offered a chance to rest and maybe even learn.
It worked in Quake Live clan arena, I remember learning all sorta things just seeing better teammates play around myself whenever I was dying often.

It's such a simple but effective combo where, even if you die, you get to see the better players in your team play and instantly get ideas on how to imitate them or to better coordinate with their moves, all because you get to see through their eyes for a little bit. Of course how quickly your players can learn and understand the game affects how much they want to keep playing it too.

>>723402292
I hate it in Quake 1, love it in Quake 3 probably because there's more movement limits and calculating where you need to preaim your rocket is possible for a little further onwards, but damn the newer sounds and visuals with it also help a ton. It feels floaty in Quake 1 but completely intuitive in Quake 3.

>>723392320
>That, a lack of advertising and not on console.
No. All the elite faggot 30+ something Millennial purists had a hissy fit over the slight changes. The more they bitch the less likely we'll ever get a good online arena shooter. Not even the shilled Diabotical game was able to save the niche genre.

Totalbiscuit was fucking right. Yall are just posers who want to act like you're some seasoned 30+ something elite gamer but don't even bother playing it.

>>723414850
>We have Quake 3 Arena.
They're not playing that. And not even playing Quake Live.

>>723407985
Bro what? Arena shooters got phased out pretty much the second people had any other choice lol
The arena shooters golden age lasted less time than just cs2 release to now let alone all of counter strike and every other tactics shooter

>>723418487
>The arena shooters golden age lasted less time than just cs2 release to now let alone all of counter strike and every other tactics shooter
the hardest pill to swallow

>>723408062
10 mins over dozens of games yes anon. Most people get really really tired of nonstop action literally 24/7

Im telling you.
I played 6s tf2 when it was at its peak when it had 3 seperate leagues, each with several bracket groups all having 50-125 teams each of 6 players each while it was extremely grass roots and pretty much word of mouth only.
If you just convert that and speed it up a bit. More popular than you think indie game