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The great debate.

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There is no great debate, these games were designed for CRT so yes they look better on it.

CRT is still trash, it's only good for playing retro games like this, if somebody really cares about them.

This isn't a debate btw, what I said is 100% irrefutably correct.

>>723404729
megaman 2 isn't retro. megaman 10 and 11 are tho

>>723404527 (OP)
CRTs look like shit. I'd rather play on a comfortable monitor emulated than have to make a specific setup using hardware that's a pain in the ass. Looks are irrelevant "graphics don't matter" niggers always seethe when you don't want to play on a CRT, but the reality is for old games it REALLY doesn't matter.

>>723404842
you mean 9 and 10?
1 2 9 10 are the only classic games
charge shot and slide slop ruined the games

>>723404956
please use commas

emulator with CRT filter. But yeah pixel shit is for CRT. That's why I don't play indie stuff and other pixel trash nowadays. I gave up on that years ago.

>>723404527 (OP)
CRTfag question, does each CRT model have a different scanlines result? Because I'm assuming that's why there's a million different filter options for emulation

>>723404729
Were LCDs an option in the 80s? No? So how can games be "designed for CRT" when there were no other options? Maybe the devs didn't care in a lot of cases, or they actually wanted a pixelated look that wasn't possible on a CRT. Nintendo certainly weren't trying to hide anything in the NES days, putting raw pixels on the box art and sometimes the manual.

>>723405512
Yeah
Basically every CRT model is different and is going to have a different looking shadow mask/aperture grill, etc.
and that's not even getting into stuff like geometry and colors

>>723405659
Flip that box around and take a look at the screenshots on the back

>>723404971
>charge shot and slide slop ruined my thumb
ftfy

>>723404527 (OP)
>>723404729
CRT keeps Bubblemin's stage from being eyebleed for the first half so it still has a use case

>>723404527 (OP)
Certain effects in retro games only work under a CRT. There is no debate.

>>723404729
Correct post, which is rare for posts that call themselves factual.
>>723405659
>So how can games be "designed for CRT" when there were no other options?
They were designed for what they knew, which is CRTs. It doesn't take Einstein to figure this out.

>>723405795
>metal blade
You didn't beat the game

The CRTs I had growing up didn't make games look all that different from how they do on an LCD.

>>723404527 (OP)
just use a shader

>>723404527 (OP)
Screenshots or taking photos still dont really do the CRT images any justice. You can sort of get the idea, but its better to compare displays with your own eyes.

>>723404527 (OP)
What debate? Games made with CRT in mind look better on a CRT. Shocker.

It's not even a debate, those older games look better on a crt but I'm not a stickler for that stuff since it's very impractical for everyone to get a crt, so if they play it on lcd or with filters I got no issues.

>>723405869
>stein

>>723405659
>So how can games be designed for the technology of the time
Do you realize how retarded your argument is?

>>723404527 (OP)
If that's CRT, how can I see it on my LCD?

LED/OLED monitor+CRT royale.

>>723405659
Peak midwit post.

>>723404527 (OP)
>>723404670
.

Actual CRT's are better. Emulator filters are ok I guess but not my cup of tea.
In the end, I simply do not care enough, I just emulate on my pc/phone/handheld with the default settings and that's it.

You retarded Zoomers have no idea how bad CRT is for the eyes

>>723406079
>redditbob niggerpants
opinion discarded

>>723406123
>emulate on my phone with default settings
I hate this board.

>>723406201
Not that bad at all. Boomers grew up glued to the tv and they're fine.

>>723406207
Have fun wearing glasses

>>723406201
Monitors? Yeah, they give you headaches unless you ramp it up to at least 70 but preferably 85 Hz
TVs? Fuckall.

>>723404527 (OP)
This pic is highly dismissive, because you could get the same as what you see on the right depending on which crt and with which signal you plug your machine
What is labeled as "crt" has more to do with composite blending here.
CRTs have benefits over modern screens, mostly on not having a fixed resolution and unmatched motion clarity; but if you don't care for those (and are not interested in using original hardware), don't bother with them.

>>723405512
It depends what you understand by scanlines.
If you think of the aperture grille, then yes it differs between screens.
For the horizontal "in-between" lines, it's supposedly the same on all TVs (emphasis on TV) because those were made to support 480i, so 240p was a bit of a trick which would lead to the appearance of scanlines.

>>723405870
retard

How do modern pixel art games interact with old CRT tvs? Do they work well together

>>723405767
Yet they shoved raw pixels on your very first impression of the game. Almost like they didn't care.
>>723405869
>>723406019
>Maybe the devs didn't care in a lot of cases, or they actually wanted a pixelated look that wasn't possible on a CRT.
Is reading the whole post that hard?
>>723406078
No U.

>>723404527 (OP)
LCD is MUCH better to read on. No headaches. CRT you could expect them once a month. CRT looks better for games. Is that worth it? Kinda. 640x480i 60hz or PAL was fine for games. Should have stayed standard. 320x240 upscaled preferably. Whatever. Resolution minimal so graphics, gameplay and substance can be maximal. Essence.

Get the essentials accross. All this shit spamming hardware with crap to do is NOT reality. It is infection. The undeserving focused on and passed on. Covering and drowning quality that needs engagement.

You need to be a hero.
A "tolerant" is the opposite.

CRT filter, close enough.

>Yeah but le heckin screenshot where i zoom in and blah blah

i dont give a fuck faggot, it's a childrens game from 40 years ago

>>723406560
What the hell was this LLM trained on? It completely lost the plot at the end.

>>723404842
ps2 is retro

>>723406491
Pretty decent, it seems.

>>723404527 (OP)
I too, play my games 5 cm from screen,

>>723406491
You can check by yourself using this https://store.steampowered.com/app/3613770/ShaderGlass/

>>723406039
that screenshot sort of undersells it but yeah CRT shaders are a staple for retro emulation now
there was that brief period where tryhards and contrarians tried to deny it, or maybe they only tried the ones that emulate screen bevel (I hate those)

>>723404527 (OP)
my CRT looks light the right

>>723407889
That's because it's a 31KHz display.

>>723404729
CRT are objectively better for ALL games that support a 4:3 resolution, because all of CRT's strengths benefit vidya and all of LCD's weaknesses hurt vidya.
>b-but 240p is shit
RGB CRT can do HD resolutions.

>>723406039
that shader looks like shit and is not even remotely similar to how an actual CRT looks.

>>723404527 (OP)
Hiding detail somehow makes it better
/thread

>apply crt filter
>it just makes the screen darker
why are filters so fucking shit?

>>723405857
>I have proof!
>Posts transparency working fine
>Makes CRT look bad with the washed-out colors and color bleed

most CRT shaders are retarded.
this is a photo of a CRT screen. the effect is subtle. you arent really meant to make out distinct scanlines. its more like the image is getting texturized.

>>723408467
Are you fucking blind? The waterfall on the CRT actually looks like a waterfall and has rainbows going through it that are absent just playing with raw pixels.

>>723406039
>2025 (almost 2026)
>people STILL use this shit with default settings on sub-4k displays and claim it looks good
CRT-Royale and its consequences have been a disaster for the shaders scene because everyone except guest.r stopped trying.

>>723407976
no, it's because VGA isn't a dogshit input like composite. TV's could also have a good picture, it's called RGB input. 99% of the shit zoomers apply to CRT is just shitty composite picture.

>>723408706
31KHz is still obviously higher resolution than 15KHz RGB.

>>723408468
this. a high resolution CRT doesn't even HAVE scanlines, just texturing from whatever mask/grille the display was using. people talk shit out of their ass about a display tech that they haven't used in over 15 years (assuming they were even alive)

>>723408706
>TV's could also have a good picture
>post the example of the highest possible quality CRT display known to humanity that looks nothing like TVs as in consumer TVs
The least dishonest pvmfaggot.

>>723404527 (OP)
Modern OLED TVs should have built in shaders to emulate CRT look for old movies and cartoons

At the very least media players like VLC should have them, but for some reason it doesn't seem to be a thing

>>723408610
>>723408468
CRT filters are a matter of personal opinion. You can see distinct scanlines just fine if you have a trinitron and a 240p source.

>>723408768
OP's shitpost has nothing to do with resolution, the picture on a consumer 240p CRT looks like the right

>>723405870
I beat youre mom, faggot

I like playing video games on my CRT television

>>723408570
that effect has nothing to do with it being CRT, it's entirely from the genesis having a dogshit composite output. you'd probably get the same effect hooking it up to an LCD that took composite.

>>723409427
I'm 99.98% sure Genesis itself has nothing to with it, and any console plugged via composite will distort the picture enough to create this waterfall effect.

>>723406491
depends on the game, there are a ton of "retro pixel/3d" games that are either forced widescreen or can't actually render at 480, let alone 240.
your best bet is to get a crt MONITOR (good luck) if you want to play computer stuff, because they're still plug-and-play with an adapter as opposed to a TV which can require hardware modding.

I've been playing easy delivery co. on my CRT with an s-video shader, it's quite comfy, actually fees like an old playstation game.

>>723409641
genesis actually did have a hilariously bad composite output, it was shit even compared to standard composite picture quality

>>723407221
retro is something new on the style of something old
the word you want is vintage

everyone arguing about picture quality and blurslop while completely ignoring the actual reasons a CRT is worth using;

zero motion blur and extremely low latency

>>723404527 (OP)
Do you think the 3DS screen does anything to help achieve that look? just took this pic. The top screen has visible horizontal lines if you look closely, a side effect of the 800x240 resolution

I play a lot of retro games on mine.

>>723410084
cope

>>723409073
Trinotrons most people seek weren't even consumer tvs.

>>723405659
holy fuck what a braindead post
>how can games be "designed for CRT" when there were no other options
are you even capable of feeding yourself? if you have one option, you design it for that one option

what do HD games designed for LCDs look like on CRT?

>>723407889
CRT is the wrong term for old TVs. It doesn't specify they are that instead of CRT monitors.
199X shader is good as seen on youtube. I haven't seen it available in Retroarch but I haven't fiddled with shaders there for a decade.
CRT TVs are different. Comparison images aren't accurate enough. The light from them was very bright. So much it was irrelevant how dark darks/blacks were. It is much more important bright is bright. Dulled brights are fucking stupid. HDR is degenerate shit introduced by that nigger loving game Half Life 2.

>>723410313
The look is obliterated the second something moves.

>>723410575
On a high-resolution display? Better than LCD.

>>723410607
Crt monitors are dim so you don't get a headache from sitting 2 feet away for 6 hours. It's a feature not a bug.

>>723404527 (OP)
I play both.

>>723410575
As long as the CRT can display the game's native resolution, better imo.
If not, that's when text becomes unreadable

>>723410575
Really great most of the times.

>>723411146
>Crt monitors are dim
Nta, but they're extremely bright. The reason why the black parts are the blackest black is because the electron gun isn't firing at that sector of the screen, or "drawing" that part, so it's black.

>>723411519
CRT are dimmer than LCD screens across the board anon. Phosphor luminance can't compete with LEDs

Are there any modern pixel art games that were designed with crt filters in mind like how actual old retro pixel games did?

>>723411665
That may be so, but they're still extremely bright. The one that I use to play classic games on has its brightness turned down so that games look correct and I lower my chances of burning in an image.

>>723410575
Better. The reason that cleartype and anti-aliasing didn't exist until LCDs is because phosphors naturally bleed.

>>723404527 (OP)
nobody plays zoomed in like that. Right has greater visual clarity because it doesn't look like it's behind a screen door.

>>723411735
Yes. I got Spooky Ghosts Dot Com (it's called literally that) for Switch and it's like that.
It's cheap and good clean Halloween fun, anon.

>>723404729
>>723404527 (OP)
The way CRT works in real life is REALLY bad for the eyes though, especially due to the superspeed flickering

>>723411892
>anti-aliasing didn't exist until LCDs
If only that were true.

>>723411517
>>723411718
>>723412118
so the switch to HD was all a lie? flat screen tvs were a downgrade from the start? We could've lived in a world with HD CRTs?
>>723411457
>As long as the CRT can display the game's native resolution, better imo.
>If not, that's when text becomes unreadable
and even if the crt is not hd the main problem would just be text which I guess they could've just made bigger?

>>723411735
quite a few. loop hero comes to mind

>>723412117
>REALLY bad for the eyes
>superspeed flickering
eye strain is fake bullshit created to sell LCD monitors
next you're going to tell me that you get "headaches" from LED lighting due to the "super duper speed flickering that's not perceptible but you just KNOW that it's there so it's obviously causing little micro-seizures and causing you headaches"

>>723412331
Bloodstained

>>723412117
that's only a problem at 60hz, 85hz displays don't hurt your eyes.

>>723412381
*the retro one

>>723412309
4K screens blow CRT out of the water but back in 2010 CRT looked better than LCD, yes. LCD beat CRT because they are lighter, larger, and less toxic. plasma failed for the same reasons. OLED is succeeding because it is lighter and flatter than LCD.

size and weight are the only things most consumers care about

I feel like this shit is some gaslighting campaign.

>>723412586
it's something you can only understand when you experience it in person

>>723412553
>less toxic
If only that were true as well.

What happened to QLED anyway? I thought that was the supposed answer to prevent burn-in once and for all.

>>723411253
Moderate chad gives the correct opinion. A lot of people don’t have the space for both a CRT and modern display though, so they would have to choose one or the other

>>723412586
You need to watch the original Star Wars that is, pre-special edition, on a CRT. You need to see the stars in Star Wars and you need to see the blackness of space set against real explosions.

>>723412891
QLED are thicker and heavier than OLED, making them an inferior consumer tech.

>>723413012
he can get that from an OLED, which has better blacks than a CRT.

>>723412309
>so the switch to HD was all a lie? flat screen tvs were a downgrade from the start?
No, HD is good, and flat screens are good for being much cheaper to produce + taking a lot less space.
There's only so much details you can fit into 240p or 480i. And HD would probably haven't take off if people had to pay 10 times the price for something that would eat up their entire living room.
>We could've lived in a world with HD CRTs?
Most pc crt monitors from the 2000s are HD, there are some crt hdtv even
>and even if the crt is not hd the main problem would just be text which I guess they could've just made bigger?
Text is just the easiest thing to observe, because when you can't read something you immediately know something is wrong.

I kinda believe however that 4k is a huge scam, or rather that making content and hardware for it is too much effort for diminishing returns in image quality (and you see nowadays with DLSS upscaling being shoehorned as a way to use 4k screens). Something I haven't researched but could be fun to try, would be to use videoprojectors instead of screen for gaming, and see how they compare to both CRTs and modern flat screens

>>723413117
>better blacks than a CRT.
Impossible. Literally impossible.

>>723412118
forced retro

>>723413239
CRT don't have true blacks, the emitter still scans the black regions. I have a CRT right beside me.

>>723413178
>I kinda believe however that 4k is a huge scam
It isn't. 35mm films from the 1930s are capable of 4K; however that is no guarantee that the lenses and film stock will give you quite as crisp an image as a film from the 1980s.

>>723413370
>CRT don't have true blacks
Thanks for the laugh, anon. Tis good for the soul.
>I have one
That's nice I got at least 20 or more.

>>723413370
>CRT don't have true blacks
Okay.

>>723413370
That's just completely incorrect though, anon.

>>723405659
IPS is better than LCD

>>723406039
>CRT Royale
Guest with sonkun or the /vr/ preset shits on arcadeyale bad

>>723413239
Not all CRTs are made equal, and some can definitely have worse black levels than OLEDs. If anything OLED do have true blacks (and arguably better discrete color accuracy I believe)

>>723413410
Sorry I meant the screens rather than the format/storing. 4K is great for video preservation, what i'm unsure is how much picture quality you perceive as a human when looking at a 4K screen compared to alternative, and if there are better alternatives to screen definition (i.e. using the same 4k source file, is a 4K IPS better image quality than a 1440p OLED or video projector?)

Having almost perfect blacks isn't the same as having perfect blacks anons. If you have a CRT. Them being significantly better than LCD doesn't mean they are perfect.

>>723414335
Ehhh ok on some I guess maybe, but in principle, no.

>what i'm unsure is how much picture quality you perceive as a human when looking at a 4K screen

Technically, biologically, human beings can see in 18K, but usually not. If you're asking can a typical person tell the difference between a Blu-ray or a 4K? Yes, they can. Between 4K and 8K on a video game? Doubtful.

>>723414589
Well yeah, but most anons aren't going to be daydreaming of their favorite game in a lava tube any time soon, so....

>>723414335
>(i.e. using the same 4k source file, is a 4K IPS better image quality than a 1440p OLED or video projector?)

(and I don't know, anon, sorry!)

But logically 4K>>1440p

>>723406039
I like megabezel a lot but also newpixie looks great but is a lot faster / less computationally expensive

>>723405870
wow, you spent more time perfecting what exact frames to press jump on instead of going outside, congratulatios

>>723404527 (OP)
There is no debate.

>>723412309
the thing that decided the future of display tech was office workers staring at text for 8 hours a day. lcd is massively superior for that task.

>>723414664
>If you're asking can a typical person tell the difference between a Blu-ray or a 4K? Yes, they can
You missed a big nuance in my question, which is "compared to alternatives"
Of course between full hd and 4k you'd see differences on similar screens, because modern screens have a fixed pixel grid.
That's why I mention video projectors, would people prefer how a picture looks in 1080p but on a videoprojector, or in 4k on a basic IPS screen?
Or alternatively, is HDR + OLED a better upgrade in image quality than jumping to 4k without those?
That's why I think 4K screens aren't worth it (or rather are diminishing returns), because to see an improvement in image quality you need to improve the source files (and for videogames, it means needing much stronger graphic cards), but other approaches could improve the quality while using the same video source (and CRTs vs LCDs are a huge example of this problem)

Hey, anons, want to blow your minds? Consider this, and I've been in an "ape cave", even when you are in the blackest of blacks-the total absence of light-that absence doesn't last because then your eyes finally show you your electrolytes inside your eyes. Spoilers: they're light green. You never, ever see them any other time.

>>723415012
>megabezel
For me, it's koko-aio

>>723408768
wait am i retarded or are you retarded? what does refresh rate have to do with resolution, especially when comparing still images

>>723404527 (OP)
lcd is better with pixel perfect mode, without filters

>>723415195
>would people prefer how a picture looks in 1080p but on a videoprojector, or in 4k on a basic IPS screen?

Sorry, well, 4K is going to beat a source with less pixels, yes. Why would you want to project something on a huge screen that's lesser quality? Unless you want to hide flaws, that isn't what you want to do, imho.

>>723415195

>Or alternatively, is HDR + OLED a better upgrade in image quality than jumping to 4k without those?

HDR is in every modern TV worth its salt. You need it to see the details in 4K on anything you want to play it on.

To be sure, anon, 4K screens ARE very, very, very worth it. You need it, my man. Once you get one and watch a flick, you won't go back to anything else save for nostalgia.

>>723415012
Newpixie is nice but too aggressive and not adjustable enough. I wouldn't use it for anything after gen4, even after gen3 maybe.

>>723413239
the only thing that matters is effective contrast. crt can turn off individual phosphurs but the visual product delivered to you is going to be a grey tone for any image that isn't pure black. light scatters more through thick outer glass and phosphurs naturally bloom and contaminate other regions oled has always out performed it in the real world metric.

>>723415327
Crt can do pixel perfect without shaders, and has zero motion blur

The reason you need full HDR enabled on your TV is because that's the best way 4K TVs deal with their limitations as compared to CRTs. If you don't have HDR, then you cannot see the details of your fancy 4K video game or film.
Once light leaks are fixed on LEDs, it's over for CRTs in many respects.

>>723415765
But it looks blurry
crt works better for 16-32bit and early 3d games

>>723415723
No. My CRTs display the purest blacks outside of a magma tube, my man. But now that you mention contrasts, that's why HDR is a must with any 4K presentation.

>>723410313
turning the 3d mode on but at minimum helps

>>723415256
31KHz is considered high resolution when it comes to CRT technology. 24KHz is medium res and 15KHz is low res.

>>723404527 (OP)
right, idc what anyone has to say I wanna see them pixels

>>723412586
It is. You never see full screen images, only cropped zoomed in shit, most of the time it's edited even.

>>723415723
>crt can turn off individual phosphurs
only certain monitors and media equipment. all the tvs had a minimum voltage. not a problem with the theoretical tech itself but if you think your trinitron is giving you perfect blacks it's not.

>>723416285
>if you think your trinitron is giving you perfect blacks it's not.

Nta, but it's the closest we're ever going to get unless the new TV makers suddenly have a burst of genius.
This whole topic reminds me of anons who insist that a real NES has lag. It does, but come the fuck on.

>>723415881
High res crt has less blur than TAA

>>723416412
no? oled easily out performs consumer crt sets in blacks.

>>723404527 (OP)
>Mega Man 2
I choose none, I don't want to see that shit ass game.

>>723415256
31khz crt can display much MUCH higher resolutions on top of having no ringing sound when on. They are objectively superior tech.

>>723404527 (OP)
After 5 minutes you brain/eyes get used to whatever you're looking at and it stops mattering. If you live life as a giant side by side comparison you will literally never be happy

>>723405659
NOOOO THEY DIDN'T MEAN FOR YOU TO SEE RAW PIXELS SHUT UP YOU CAN'T JUST POST THE FUCKING COVER FOR THE NE'S FLAGSHIP GAME IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!

>>723416538
No they don't lol. Wanna know why? Light leaks. It may have the technology, but the other guys making the casing screw it all up. I got two great 4K TVs and both of them light leak and almost ruin some films like 2001: A Space Odyssey.
CRTs never ruined that movie.

>>723410607
HL2 doesn't output HDR image retard, it just calculates lighting internally with more bits and then outputs SDR image. It's not even remotely the same as HDR output where higher dynamic range is achieved physically by the display by passing through brightness data to it.

>>723405659
>how could games be designed for the only displays that were around at the time?
>what an inscrutable mystery

>>723405659
CRT fags are legitimately mentally ill. You can show them the literal box art with sharp pixels and they'll still deny reality.
They should pass a law deeming CRT tech an outdated and dangerous e-waste and start collecting and trashing all CRT. In a civilized country, CRTs shouldn't be allowed. The entire society has moved on apart from a bunch of autists that always need to be tard wrangled or they'll never behave.

>>723404729
>response time so fast even 1ms gaming monitors are slow in comparison
>colors so vibrant even modern tv's struggle to compete
You're not correct, you're a nigger.

>>723417023
Now show the back of the box you disingenuous anon.

>>723416665
You have some bargain sale chinkware TV or astigmatism. All movies look perfect on my OLED.
Educate yourself on display tech.

>>723417023
>You can show them the literal box art with sharp pixels and they'll still deny reality.
True CRT fags know the difference between CRTs and composite blending.
I love CRTs and I *want* sharp pixels, arcade cabinets had sharp pixels because they weren't using a bad video signal

>>723415012
That game looks fun.

>>723417137
You have pixels front and center. Did the cathode ray tube damage your brain so much you're denying reality?
Like I said, dangerous tech. Probably single handedly caused the autism epidemic. Why is America so complacent on this hazardous e-waste?

>>723417023
CRT TV fags are retarded, all the elite CRT fags use monitors. 1600x1200@85fps, perfect motion clarity and oled-tier blacks.

>>723417508
They did that pixel stuff on their early boxes as a stylistic choice, and it's pathetic that it's all you got to cling to in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary.
And my from cold dead hands.

*from my
how the fuck did that happen? I did my brain get switched with >>723417508
>>723417648
for a second?

>>723417190
No, nearly all new TVs have light leaks, simple as. They don't care to fix them because anons like you don't notice because you stare at your phone and call it good.
You don't know what you're talking about, zoomer.

I played jedi survivor on a crt, didnt get very far before i got bored

ps3 is retro, ps2 is still relevant since it left a bigger legacy. I'm objectively correct.

>>723405659
>>723416648
>>723417023
I don't see any pixels on Mario's box art...

>>723418023
>ps3 is retro
Never.

>>723418257
PS4 is like 12 years old

>>723418406
how is IPS changing how the waves are drawn?

>>723418374
And will ever be retro either. Real retro/classic gaming stopped with the 16-bit systems. Yes, the N64 is a new system to me and always will be.

>>723418359
lol
Yes.

>>723418668
That's not a real CRT image. Nice try.

>>723418492
kek

>>723418668
>>723418590
>>723418935
kek

Either get a real CRT or don't. Filters are for faggots.

>>723419370
I do have a real CRT but I'm also going to use filters. Why should I get the inferior experience just because I'm emulating?

>>723419370
>reeeee
no, fuck off

>>723409909
Isn't the resolution limit an issue with modern GPUs? I read somewhere that anything lower than 480 doesn't work, let alone those nonstandard resolutions of the old era.

>>723419536
You're already getting the inferior experience by emulating, so why bother?

>>723405659
wasn't NES American box art specifically a response to Atari boxarts being complete bullshit and not resembling the game at all

>>723419791
>inferior experience by emulating
lel

>>723419370
filtered

>>723419815
Yes, but the point is that they would have used a cover with a CRT look if they were so concerned with hiding those raw pixels.

>>723408468
That game is on 480i, interlaced games work differently. Try it with a game compatible (or use a retro emulator since those can output 240p on a Wii)

>>723404729
>these games were designed for CRT
>for CRT
you do NOT know what you're talking about

>>723419791
>You're already getting the inferior experience by emulating, so why bother?
Because it looks better with than without?
I largely prefer real hardware, but it's not always practical and I don't feel the need to be elitist about it.

>>723414267
this doesnt look bad

>>723419370
Neck yourself faggot

>>723404527 (OP)
Left looks better from 1 inch away
Right looks better from normal viewing distance

>>723417508
>as a stylistic choice
So sharp pixels was not seen as a crime against eyesight back then, and only modern CRT fags give a shit? Glad we can agree, anon.

>>723420132
>Yes, but the point is that they would have used a cover with a CRT look if they were so concerned with hiding those raw pixels.
NTA, but this is a ridiculous leap of logic. Cover art is cover art and has no bearing on the intention of the developers.

>>723415012
Am I the only one that can't play with a curved effect shader?
It completely fucks up my eyes, but if I play on a real curved CRT its fine.
I think it has to do with the fact that the screen is still actually flat and just curving the image.

>>723419719
This still blows my mind
Why didn't it take off?

>>723404527 (OP)
On the right, Megaman looks more heroic and powerful.

>>723421902
Wasn't this made by a third party who didn't even play the game? I think SMB had a little more oversight than that, anon. If Nintendo didn't want you to see the raw pixels, it wouldn't be on the game cover of all things.

>>723418406
>>723418492
>>723418590
>>723418668
>>723422292
wtf I love CRTs now

>>723422292
CRT off: SOVL
CRT on: forced soul

>>723418461
I think the one on the right is the GBA port lul

>>723404527 (OP)
Left. It's got nice looking water.

Just sit away from the monitor far enough

>>723422243
You are referring to the Nintendo of America cover art. The Japanese cover art was this: >>723418031

>>723404527 (OP)
Depends on the consoles.

PS1 was the last console to use pixels. Even then not all PS1 games use the crt.

N64-/dream cast don't use the crt.

>>723414267
What's the /vr/ preset?

Is the blue busters filter thing on RetroArch worth using? It seems like a pain since you have to disable FreeSync every time you use it.

>>723404527 (OP)
i'll play on one and the other. i'd prefer a crt for older games, since they were designed for those displays, but i wouldn't go out of my way to get one. i haven't got the space, money or time for it.

>>723423174
NoA couldn't do whatever they wanted. If NoJ thought raw pixels were a no-no, they wouldn't be on the cover.

>>723423621
>i'd prefer a crt for older games, since they were designed for those displays
Crysis was designed for CRT

It's not a CRT vs LCD thing, CRTs could produce the right image just fine. Monitors were a thing. Not every CRT was some fuzzy consumer TV.

The other thing is no one is forcing you to play on nearest neighbour. You can use any number of filters to blur the image to your exact brain worm specifications.

>>723414267
>Guest with sonkun or the /vr/ preset
source?

Me? I use CRT shaders even on GBA games

>>723423186
It's not just pixels, both the phosphor grille and the composite signal function as a form of anti-aliasing, color blending and a sharpness filter.
You can do it with any modern game with a crt. Hell, the fact that all games have some sort of anti-aliasing and other image reconstruction methods is BECAUSE there's no crt to do it for them.

>>723427123
Holy Based
I do the same on a chinkheld

>>723423413
You need a 240hz+ OLED or don't bother

It's been so long that all the zooms and millenials don't even remember that CRT actually looked nice.

>>723404527 (OP)
>The great debate.
It's not a debate you moronic faggot. Old games were made with CRT in mind. Simple.

>>723428404

oh

>>723404527 (OP)
I feel like playing some classic mega man, which of these is better, Mesen, puNES, Nestopia or ares? which one has the least input lag? do they have CRT filter support or would I have to use something like reshade? also no I don't want to use retroarch

with so much advanced technology how come there isn't a filter that does justice to crt scanlines and always come across as looking too imitation-like

>>723405857
which sonic game is that and how far is it in the game? i wanna test

>>723415549
Is this sarcasm? 4K is great for making fine detail pop in early HD games but 90% of live action 4K releases are upscales worse than you do yourself with an mpv shader.

>>723417190
>OLED
>educate yourself on display tech
OLED can’t do real HDR because of ABL and color accuracy goes out the window in a few months because of subtle burn in and countermeasures like dimming the rest of the screen to hide the damage. That’s before you factor in hdmi or display port chroma compression depending on your monitor res, refresh rate and gpu. Or how are vast majority of OLED monitors still only support dithered 8 bit color instead of 10 bit. OLED is not le endgame display tech because it’s the halo product of gaming monitors.

>>723425845
https://forums.libretro.com/t/new-sonkun-crt-guest-advanced-hd-presets-thread/39091

>>723427123
my nigga

>>723417047
>huge ass taking a ton of space, yet small display (hurr just get a bigger house bro xDD)
>heavy as fuck for how tiny it is (hurr just lift bro xDD)
>eye straining as fuck especially at close (computer user) distances (it's just a meme bro xDD)
>NOOO THE ARGUMENTS YOU'RE MOCKING ARE ACTUALLY HECKIN VALID!!! YOU CAN'T JUST PREDICT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY
If CRTs didn't suck, people wouldn't cling onto shitty early flat panels for their dear lives as soon as they were available. LCDs have huge displays, yet are still mobile, are cheap and have satisfactory parameters all around. They dominate for a reason and you have autism.

Look at this arcade CRT posted in another thread

Things aren't blurred to shit, pixels are still crisp and techniques like dithering are visible

What consoles were designed around were low quality TVs with low quality cables

>>723433964
The pixels are clearly rounded tho

>>723423305
>>723425845
uploaded at the /vr/ thread >>12103715 for those asking, also grab the latest guest update

>>723423305
>>723425845
uploaded at the /vr/ thread >>>/vr/12103715 for those asking, also grab the latest guest update

>>723432953
It's the first level of Sonic 1 brah. Come on, it's iconic.

>>723432953
Sonic 1, Green Hill Act 2, there's a few of them in that stage. There's a waterfall near the end of Act 1 as well, so yeah, pretty much start of the game.

>>723405857
>>723408570
retard thinks rainbow banding is a good thing lmfao

>>723436454
>zoomer who learned of this yesterday per tiktok knows shit of how retrogaming worked

>>723405857
This is chroma bleed from a bad composite signal, not something inherent to all CRTs.

I love setting up emulation and then not playing anything

>>723404527 (OP)
Whenever you're doing bad in life, remember that at least you're not a 4channer hanging on to decades old inferior technology

>>723438019
I did this on my old laptop, had like 2000 hand-picked titles. Now that I have a PC and more storage than i could imagine, I only download the games I want to play and keep all those other games on a spreadsheet.

>>723437996
This fag old fags.

>>723434712
Rounded pixels are bad because?

>>723437625
>>723437681
Reminder that arcades never looked this bad, specially 90s stuff.

>>723433749
>people wouldn't cling onto shitty early flat panels for their dear lives as soon as they were available
I didn't get an LCD monitor until 2014. LCD is better for a lot of things but one of the things it is MUCH worse at is video games. And this is a video game board. I have a 4K and a crt right next to each other, they have different uses. Pixelslop and games with a lot of movement go on crt, cinematicslop or games locked to widescreen go on the 4K.

My 5yo had zero interest in my boomer games on the big screen but did a 180 when i put then on my old CRT. There is magic

I'm in too deep guys, now I can't even look at a modern indie pixel game without wanting to pull out Shader Glass first

you don't even remember the picture quality after playing a game
i remember picture quality being shit even when i was using CRTs in the 90s

>>723439076
They aren't. The point is that pixels shouldn't be sharp squares, specially dithering patterns.
Here you can see the dithering pattern quite rounded instead of a checkered one >>723438230

some consoles look better than others. i think games look better on the turbo grafx 16/cd than they do on the sega genesis and snes
it's noticeable if play turbografx games through the emulator and compare them to genesis games through an emulator

playstation games looked like shit no matter if you used a CRT or not

>>723440986
What no games does to a nigga

>>723405857
Rainbowing is a sign of a shit composite signal. You only saw that on certain Genesis models, and that didn't include the OG one.

>>723440986
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1760390149393837.webm

>>723441323
this looks terrible

>>723441323
Better trail be enabled my nigga

>>723441323
>game designed for an interlaced LCD display
>"Ah yes, apply le CRT filter to it"

Retards. Just buy an OLED and slap the newest filters on the emulator. The games will look like CRT on steroids.

>>723404729
>so yes they look better on it.
they dont tho

>>723441613
that's clearly a lcd shader tho

i forgot to take the lcd shader off when i beat this game. that's how much i didn't give a fuck about the picture quality lmao

>>723404842
Don't be those weirdos that uses the word vintage
Sounds gay when used on video games, retro is a better word

The only reason CRT exist is because, back then, the amount of pixels on the screen was too litle compared to the screen size.
CRT mask just blend everything together, so the raw and big pixels are not noticeable.
Pick any CRT shader on/off comparison, make the image smaller and no crt mask are needed.

which

>>723442121
is this CRT guest advanced or zfast? i can't really tell the difference between those two.
they look identical

i can't use vulcan on my raspberry 2 so i just zfast. it seems to be best shader when you only have gl

this thread is fucking gold
bruh how can people say /v/ is dead

shaders are fine if it's all you have access to
you can get a close approximation by using HDR oled panels
but the biggest problem oled has is in displaying smooth scrolling images. it just can't do it properly.
it's not an effect you can capture in a picture, you need to see it in person.

>>723442101
it was possible increase the dot pitch to be comparable to modern displays, and size had nothing to do with it. the dot pitch was less dense on consumer crt tv sets because it was cheaper to make, but the higher end market had some really great sets. i have a 28" widescreen panasonic with really fine dot pitch and it looks great. any vga monitor from the early 2000s has fine enough dot pitch to display sharp text at high resolutions.

>>723406079
Still left

>>723412309
The best TV i've ever seen was a projection TV. It was a mitsubishi.

>>723442101
The smaller crt picture looks even better however, the aliasing specifically

>>723441217
He's talking about the dithering transparency effects, you dumb niggerFAGGOT

>>723441613
>gba
>interlaced LCD screen
do you fucking WHAT

>>723427123
>>723427569
I used CRT shaders for Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin on Retroarch. Dawn of Sorrow is fucking gorgeous, and held back by the DS's horrid screen.

what shader do you guys use for handheld games?

i use zfast lcd even though it still looks like shit

this is what it looks like using a game gear game

>>723442623
the problem is the content the TV is processing.
SNES resolution is 256x224 pixels. VHS 320x480... just think about it.

>>723442425
last one but turn off the ntsc artifacts, those works best for nes

>>723404527 (OP)
Right.

I grew up with CRTs and want nothing to do with that blurry shit anymore.

isnt it more comfortable to just add a light gaussian or boxblur on top if you want a softer look? a bunch of lines across the screen simulating this fake crt doesnt seem right, the crt effect kills the original style and it looks too saturated, blur and a bit of contrast tweaking is all you ever really needed I think, letting your brain fill in the gaps, much more comfortable to the eyes, it doesnt strain and shares the effort

>>723443337
crtfags like fps fags never actually play the games. they just focus on the picture quality

i mean fps as in frames per second, not first person shooter

>>723443337
sasuga astigmatism-kun...

>>723407221
@Grok is this real?

>>723443187
And? My TV takes 2376x883i which my computer can output just fine (except the interlacing but my mister handles that)

>>723443478
where are my glasses

I love me shaders

>>723405857
>posts 2 different games
>they are not the same!
Wow no way!

>>723418668
Is this real?

>>723404527 (OP)
OLED with scanlines emulated

>>723443778
>Original resolution, no interger scaling
No crt needed!
Just lock your emulator output to original resolution

>>723418590
>>723418492
>>723418406
>>723418590
>>723418668
LCD/LET/OLED/LGBTLED trannies in suicide watch

>>723443478
It sounds weird but the masks adds a sharpening optical effect on top of the soft look.

>>723443778
>>723443890
There's clear aliasing

>>723405870
>My name's Bubbleman and I got something to say-
Dead. I'm fucking with you.

>>723443957
Joking aside, the "look" was solved for a long time now, is the motion clarity the actual issue. The rolling strobe shader from the ufo guy is a start

>>723404670
>>723425615

>>723404527 (OP)
Who fucking cares

>>723404527 (OP)
CRTs are good for 240p and 480i games, that's the long and short of it.

>>723431375
Ares has a ton of built-in shaders.

>>723407889
You are running higher quality CRT on higher quality signal. You need to look at the image through shitty bulky CRT TV with shitty RF output.

>>723404527 (OP)
CRT-fags are the retards advocating for UE5 blur and TAA grease

>>723404527 (OP)
This might sound like a stupid question, but are 5th/6th gen horror games always darker on an LCD/LED TV? Or is it brighter on a CRT?

>>723414664
>If you're asking can a typical person tell the difference between a Blu-ray or a 4K
Even that is debatable for most people. Particularly at the distance people watch their tv's at.

>>723443187
>the problem is the content the TV is processing.
my mid-2000's office CRT can do 960p, which is larger than 720 widescreen; literally HD content. and that's a bargain bin office monitor. the good ones could do 1440p-equivalent resolutions in fucking 2010.

>>723422159
Most nostalgia don't feel like they need THAT much immersion, so not many bought it.

>>723447137
*most nostalgiafags

>>723446449
They would be brighter on LCD/LED as the way backlighting works on those displays will always brighten the scene including black levels. CRTs are able to display much deeper black levels.

>>723446372
>UE5 blur and TAA grease
those things exist because of lcd fags desu. don't need those on crts

>>723447374
>need
case in point

>>723447495
if you don't need it, then don't use it :^)

>>723432953
Sonic 1

Second act, right below where you start
There's a closer one at the bottom of the first act near the end as well

>>723441613
>interlaced LCD display
are you retarded

>>723443703
they're just far enough out of alignment to make them unusable, but they rest more comfy

>>723423637
That doesn't mean it was part of the vision of how the GAME was supposed to look. It's too many stages removed from the developers.

>>723410084
The last major Megaman game was 7 years ago, and the one before that was 8 years ago. They're something old in the style of something even older.

>>723443337
>dishonest zoom in

>>723442425
I don't like shaders that curve the screen. That's a trait that won't be missed.

>>723404527 (OP)
I grew up playing vidya on CRT TVs and I have no idea why anybody would even consider playing games on them today. The picture quality is just vastly inferior.

Old games are made for composite.
VGA monitors are basically LCDs.

>>723406079
Actual retard who has never used a CRT.
The soft glow from the illuminated phosphor is much nicer on your eyes than modern LEDs blasting your face.
Change the meme to be about ears bleeding from CRT noise instead. CRTs are shit for alot of reasons but the actual screen display isn't one of them.

>>723407221
I dunno, I know no one agrees because retro means le old but I think a good end point for retro is gen 5 (64, Saturn, PSX)
3D was the last major jump in games that's stuck properly and all we've been doing since those consoles is refining it.

We're at the point where the PS3 is realistically retro by age only and what have games done meaningfully since? A ton of games still look like higher end PS3 games.

>>723461791
>Old games are made for composite.
Blatantly false. Practically every console produced after 1987 supported component video.

>>723462265
old games relied on composite artifacts to render correctly you mong