Thread 723405314

Admit it, it was peak.
Stop being a little whiny contrarian princess and just admit it.

>>723405314 (OP)
Best DLC they ever did

>>723405314 (OP)
It was peak, it's their best DLC... BUT, the 2 years wait for it makes it subjectively their worst one.

>>723405314 (OP)
Why didnt they add trophies?

>>723407613
>BUT, the 2 years wait for it makes it subjectively their worst one.
The expansion is the size of a full game, with roughly 50 hours of content
I think those 2 years of dev times are pretty understandable all things considered

>>723407617
They never add those to any DLC. And it wouldn't even matter, all these games are 4/10 in trophy hunting difficulty.

>>723405314 (OP)
>rollslop
No thanks.

>>723407816
>Elden Ring Fortnite
Not a real Fromsoft game.

>>723407753
Yeah I know, it's basically a stand-alone game, but the 2 years of blueballing make it sour, along with the lack of any real details that interconnect base game with DLC. Not 2-years worth it desu.
Dark Souls 3 was basically made in that very same time. I would have preferred an Elden Ring spin-off at that point, closed world like Demon's Souls.

>>723407518
I think it is a great DLC. The only flaw is the story (lol story in a fromsoft game). Love literally the new weapons and spells

>scat tree fragments
>half the map is empty
>only 2 good bosses
>shitty lore
>reused assets final boss
it's shit

>>723408349
>half the map is empty
this doesn't matter considering we all just beeline to wherever the wiki tells us we need to go

>>723407816
>avoiding damage in a combat game is bad

>>723405314 (OP)
I didn't even care for it after playing through Elden Ring. Who in their right mind would want even more of this dull crap?

It was pretty good but they really fumbled in a couple of critical areas as usual, it's not the shitshow that was DS3 DLC at least, or the Old Hunters

>>723405314 (OP)
it absolutely was peak, it just wasn't perfect. but nothing is and that's fine.

map was empty af. wouldve been better if it was completely linear

>DUUUUUUUUUUUUH
>LE MAP IS LE EMPTY DUUUUUUUUUUUUH

I thought the main Legacy dungeons were kind of short besides Shadow Fort, but on the flip side I thought the mini dungeons were the best they've ever been and all felt great.

/v/ got super fucking filtered, though. Snakeman and FaggotKing Radahn both had to get nerfed, and /v/ STILL could not beat them (they were both easy and I am not good at Souls games)

>>723405314 (OP)
I'm replaying it on NG+7, it's such a pain in the ass. I had to use Tyche and that shouty drake NPC summon to beat Mesmer.

>>723409471
Yeah, it was empty you damn schizo.

>>723405314 (OP)
Got ER fatigue after reaching Leyndell.. game's too long and repetitive..

>>723407816
Bro that looks fun. What I hated about the DLC was the lack of rolling. Your insult finally got to them.

>absolutely terrible, dumpster tier boss design across the board
>fantastic NPC character writing, gave a ton of personality to Marika as well, but fucked up immensely with Miquella
>empty and bland, half baked game world with constantly repeated enemy types, entire sections of the map that contain nothing but shadow trash mobs who are still just a recolor of DS3 hollows from undead settlement
>linear, braindead legacy dungeons, albeit with mostly solid side dungeons to compensate (still had outliers though like the godawful dragon cave filled with nothing but repeated enemies from base game)
>underwhelming weapon selection with the exception of milady, backhand blade and odachi, extremely bland and disappointing boss weapons in particular
>terribly bland finale
Eh it's probably the worst Fromsoft DLC. Still atmospheric and visually stunning but i hope they never touch open world again.

>>723410309
I pray everyday they'll only do open world games from now on, just to spite you fucktards

>>723409564
Shadowkeep is actually very small in terms of actual design. It just has a lot of spacious, empty linear corridors, especially in the specimen storage section. But by far the worst part is the pseudo-new londo, that shit straight up feels unfinished, like it was done by pajeets.
Side dungeons are indeed vastly superior, probably had one of Fromsoft oldfags behind their design.

The entire abyssal forest area feels so rushed.
Insanely empty even by ER standards and very underwhelming lorewise.

>>723410542
This, and I prefer open world. Fuck you DS1 train autists obsessed about connecting levels, ill take my magic windmill to a lavalevel just fine.

>>723410753
The Specimen Storehouse is Giga kino, I love precarious towers with confusing passageways. The only thing that sucked about the flooded area was that the monster underwater was just an Erdtree spirit, should have made a unique monster or hell have the hippo there instead of at the entrance.

>>723405314 (OP)
Hard carried by the dragon area.

>>723410309
You arent wrong, but I'd much rather take my flawed fromsoft games 2 years apart than them taking 6 years like other studios.

>>723411087
>confusing passageways
>specimen storage
Huh?
The entire thing is extremely linear. It's basically a bootleg version of an actually labyrinthine Research Hall which was vastly superior.

>>723410997
I just think the Winter Lanterns should have been all over instead of in the two corridors. Hell, I bet that's how they originally had it and then just thought it was too frustrating, but I wouldn't mind.

>>723410997
I could forgive the forest if the Manse was good. But it fucking isn't. It's 3 hallways and a pair of ladders. My biggest disappointment with the game. It's literally a madness themed mansion, old Fromsoft would've created a god tier level with the concept.

>>723408349
The Skibbidis were a good idea.
The issue was that there were only exactly as many in the game as you'd need to fully level. And if you missed one, you couldn't max out your blessing.
I know the later levels weren't strictly worth the scavenger hunt for, but the solution was more obviously that they should have put many more fragments than were necessary so that you only needed a majority of them to max out your blessing.

The Lore was good. Actually coherent for once and condensed down.

>>723411458
I mean it's bigger than both the madness mansions in Bloodborne.

They should have delayed it so that they could finish some areas but otherwise its one of the best DLCs ever made

>>723411175
The Research Hall sucked because it was ugly and all the enemies in it were annoying and boring.
The Shadow Keep has great enemies in it, and you get spat out on a bunch of difference places so it feels like a true hub fortress, unlike the Research Hall.

>>723408349
>>only 2 good bosses
Comander Rhino rider and?

>>723405314 (OP)
Maybe it was peak, I wouldn't know. After how shit the base game was, I haven't felt the need to play anything ER-related no more and probably won't for the rest of my life.

But I have seen this fucking gimmick where you have to collect some items scattered around the empty map to lower the difficulty down, lmao. EXPLORATION DUDE!

>>723405314 (OP)
Spent like 10 hours exploring Stormveil Castle in the base game yesterday and holy fuck it’s huge. Almost done, just a few more things to explore and I’ll be finished with this place, crazy impressive dungeon though.

>>723411558
>The Lore was good.
Everything but pic related, but being the final boss it was pretty fucking bad.

It looks pretty but the layout of the map is shit, the shortcut porn is nonexistent and the best ring in the game for PVE is locked behind this shit DLC.

>>723411707
Scadutree Avatar

>>723410309
The boss design was great. Radahn was the only slip up, and he's meant to be the biggest super boss this game could handle.
Belurat and Enir Ilim is a solid combo, and the Shadow Keep is some of FromSoft's best work.

>>723411562
Huh? It's like half Cainhurst in size.

>>723411778
GotD

>>723411834
There was nothing wrong with Consort Radahn from a lore perspective.

>>723405314 (OP)
I loved it but only because I marked all the scat tree pieces on my map. Wondering around aimlessly, looking for an item that might or might not be there is NOT good gameplay. I need to know where I'm going at least

>>723411701
>The Research Hall sucked because it was ugly and all the enemies in it were annoying and boring.
You're an extremely gay motherfucker. Research Hall contained a unique and handcrafted selection of enemies, it was the most atmospheric level since Latria and in terms of level design it's probably their best iteration of a vertical dungeon, with a supercharged version of anal rodeo spiral stairs. Shadowkeep has like 2 enemy types unique to that place, a billion of copypasted shadow hollows, bats and messmer soldiers, no interesting level design to speak of and extremely bland atmosphere.

>>723411778
Stormveil, Volcano Manor, Leyndell, and the Haligtree are immaculately designed.
You should look forward to those 4, for sure.

This was THE experience that made me realize I don't care about soulslop anymore
I used to enjoy it, but midway thought this DLC I put my controller down and said to myself
>wow, I'm not having fun
Feels weird since I'd finished Elden ring multiple times before, but I just couldn't be bordered anymore
First souls dlc that I've dropped with no regrets

>>723411778
Damn you are lucky
I wish there was a button on my head that allowed to insta forget everything about the game so I could discover it all over again
Have fun bro, Stormveil is just the beginning and there's a lot more to come

>>723405314 (OP)
It was bretty gud, but it had some flaws keeping it from peak status. Mostly the unfinished zones and weird lack of cutscenes for important bosses.

>>723411778
10 hours? You can beat the entire game in 10 hours. What the fuck was it that took you 10 hours in there, diarrhea?

>>723411885
>The boss design was great
No, it was the same delayed attack pattern memorization shit fest from start to finish. Absolutely nothing interesting to talk about.
>Belurat and Enir Ilim is a solid combo, and the Shadow Keep is some of FromSoft's best work.
Belurat and Enir are a literal linear hallway with so many sites of grace it's impossible to feel challenged. Shadow Keep was their ambitious attempt to integrate open world into dungeon progression, but it came at the expense of dungeon design and detalization, basically all individual Shadow Keep level fragments are undercooked and lack any intricacy.

>>723411898
Other way around retard

test. I think I'm banned

>>723412154
>Volcano Manor
>immaculately designed.
Volcano Manor literally gives up halfway through and just teleports you to the boss. It's one of the worst designed dungeons in the game.

>>723412240
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP HAVING FUN

>>723412240
I explore every nook and cranny. Also that ulcerated boss gave me issues.

Light greatswords and backhand blades good
There only being three LGSes bad
The sole INT LGS also secretly being a FAI straight sword bad

>>723412271
You have poor memory. Cainhurst is way bigger and more intricately designed than midra's manse and even had several optional sub-locations.

>>723410997
oh the forest infected with frenzy is empty? just like what chaostards want? you don't say.

>>723412035
Where is his horse

>>723412425
TRUST THE PLAN

>>723412371
>have a perfect opportunity to give us an INT lgs with a vergil like moveset
>give us a gay katana with a copypasted base moveset and the blandest boss move instead
Still mad

>>723412256
The bosses being straight combat encounters is what makes them good.
There's no bullshit or trickery or gimmicks getting in the way of you and some ancient hero going to town on each other. Even the dragon fight was actually good for once, because Bayle let you hit his head instead of making you wack his ankles all night.

Being linear isn't a flaw, when the path it takes you up and down is very entertaining.
Anor Londo is almost totally linear and its great. Same with Lothric. In fact, the vast majority of Souls dungeons are basically linear when you're inside them.
Also, the hidden parkour path through Enir Ilim to get the Euporia is probably the best Easter Egg puzzle From has done so far.

The Shadow Keep is worth more than the sum of its parts.
Between having different entrances, different exits, and the great verticality, it comes together to be worth more than if it was just focused on only leading to Messmer alone. Instead it feels like an axis that the world rotates around and a fortress placed exactly where it should be to rule the landscape.

>>723412170
I get it. Pic very much related.

>>723412240
You can speedrun the game if you have an exact route planned out in 10 hours.
Elden Ring is a hundred hour game for any normal first timer.

>>723412650
Holy shit that's an entire post with nothing but shit eating, mumblefuck retarded mouthbreather takes. This is the kind of idiots this series panders to now.

>>723412723
retarded first timer*
If you needed 100 hours of exploration to figure out that your reward for going down an alleyway is a rowa berry I can only offer my condolences to your parents.

>>723412572
I was wondering the whole tome with that sword why in the absolute fuck it was a katana and not a LGS, I think it's to throw katanas a bone because there's only two new ones, and the other one is just Darkdrift from DS3
Not that I necessarily think katanas need further wanking in Elden Ring, basegame katanas and infusions run the whole gamut of DEX and ARC combos already and Star-Lined Sword and Not-Darkdrift don't necessarily add new options for katana wielders

>>723412318
How is that a problem?
We knew that Rykard was deliberately hidden away and super isolated in the heart of the volcano. And the rest of the dungeon is no worse for not having a random 1000 foot Dark Souls elevator at the end instead of a teleport.

>>723412723
53m

>>723412821
Stupid discord sheep. Run back to your masters.

>>723412473
He's the one that gets 'ridden' this time.
Also there's subtext there about Miquella losing his empathy, because he didn't give Radahn back the thing he loved most in life when he revived him as Lord. Instead treating Radahn as just another depersonalized tool.

*filters you*

>>723412914
>he says jacking off the reddit consensus that dlc is le perfect becauset a modern dev decided to call an expansion pack a dlc for the first time in 12 years

>>723411898
Cainhurst is a madness castle. The mansion by the lake and the resident evil mansion on the top floor are the actual mansions.

>>723413041
Not so fast...

>>723412821
How shitty is your life that you get triggered by a high quality post. Seriously, get off my board you fucking loser tourist incel trash.
I didnt even like the DLC but thought he had good points.

>>723413057
If Reddit starts trashing people for coming out of the closet, will you finally do it?

>>723412821
Yeah, someone on /v/ actually liked a video game, it might blow your mind.

>>723411558
>The Lore was good

>>723412858
>How is that a problem?
Imagine that you're traversing Duke's Archives but instead of the entire prison segment and the second half of the level you find the generic teleport in a cornet of the initial big room, and it takes you straight to the crystal cave. That's volcano manor.

>>723412318
that one's lore.

>>723413142
No. You fucking retard.

>>723413136
>>723413057

>>723413180
It was good, the finger nonsense was actually explained. OG game makes sense now, sort of

>>723413194
Not quite, it's more like you get to the middle of crystal cave and a teleport takes you down to Seathe's boss chamber. Volcano Manor is a full dungeon with lots of secret areas and alternate paths but a really goofy entrance to the boss.

>>723413136
>high quality post
A shit eater's retarded opinions. Anyone who suggest that eliminating gimmick bosses did anything good for fromsoft is a vermin actively destroying their series and encouraging them to invest into even more retarded pattern memorization ridden flying shitboxes instead of proper bosses.

>>723413041
Huh?

>>723413280
You're a nigger projecting your skin color because you intrinsically understand that being you is the greatest insult to a man.

>>723413341
>it's more like you get to the middle of crystal cave
You're giving too much credit to the volcano manor's size. The place is fucking tiny and has almost no real exploration.

>>723413347
Gimmick bosses weren't eliminated tho.

"people" hate ds2 because it's a demonsoulslike instead of a darksoulslike

>>723413430
Yes they were. Check your own previous messages before opening your mouth.

>>723413423
What the fuck? Volcano Manor is bigger than the combined Duke's Archive and Crystal Cave. Both in the literal sense but also in the amount of content it has.

>>723413347
You arent wrong, but instead of having a good discussion I just see a sad autistic man screeching.

>>723413280
Ill have you know Im the whitest man in India.

>>723413490
>Volcano Manor is bigger than the combined Duke's Archive and Crystal Cave
We're reaching an impressive level of delusion. It's smaller even if we don't take prison segment into the account.

>>723413518
Turn on your monitor and word an opinion worth a damn instead butting into other people's conversations.

SIR ELDEN RING IS BAD SIR

>>723413518
There's nobody to have a "good discussion" with, there's just newfags destroying yet another good company.

>>723413636
No it's not.

>>723412823
Just doing all the main dungeons and most of the content in the main regions is going to take you probably a triple digit number of hours on your first go at the game.
You could spend all day in the Haligtree alone. Same goes for Leyndell, and farther if you head down into the Shunning Grounds. Easily an entire evening in Nokron or Nokstella and their respective rivers, apiece. Farum Azula is another that will take you all day on your first go.

You can pretend that the game is somehow empty, but there are many dungeons that are long and challenging enough to really take a while to bang through.

MEN
GATHER ROUND
WE MUST BECOME ELDEN LORDS

Saar we are losing them we can not allow the britishers to beesmirch dung eater ring

>>723413715
Yes it is. Volcano manor is fucking tiny. It's a straight hallway with two extremely short side dead ends. The post-godskin part just awkwardly ends after A SINGLE HALLWAY AND A ROOM. This is fucking embarrassing and not in any way comparable to the Archives that have 3 distinct biomes with a shitload of verticality and secrets. Prison area alone has more to explore than anything you'd find in side passages of the volcano manor, and that includes the lame one way vertical drop.

>>723413347
What gimmick boss do you think was worth more than a sack of shit?
Souls games are built around their combat systems and are really good for it. Taking the focus away from that for some 00s era style gimmick bosses that fuck with the working formula is always a loss.

>>723413886
Did you miss the entire parkour section?
Or everything that leads up to the Godskin fight?

>>723413461
>demonsoulslike
Demons Souls is not even a good game.

>>723413768
In this household Gideon is the gigachad and Tarnished McJohn is the virgin soijak.

>>723413768
My very first run of the game in 2022 was 132 hours exactly, so yep, it checks out

>>723413916
>Souls games are built around their combat systems and are really good for it.
This is why i despise you newfags. Souls combat system is absolutely nothing special, it's the context behind the combat system that made their early games good, namely exploration and the various ways you needed to adapt to unique enemy and boss encounters that introduce new mechanics and force you to think out of the box instead of learning samey as fuck rollslop patterns.
They didn't innovate their combat systems whatsoever in the last 15 years and simply removed what made early souls bosses distinct and standing out, turning them all into shittier, more spastic artoriases with perfect 360 degree tracking on all super delayed attacks.

>>723414019
Of course i didn't. Those are extremely tiny and feed into the main path which literally just circles around a cliff.

>>723414097
A controversial and incredibly homosexual post. Let me guess, filtered by Radahn?

>>723413773
In this household Gideon is the gigachad and Tarnished McJohn is the virgin soijak.

>>723405314 (OP)
Peak shit, yes

>>723414163
>Souls combat system is absolutely nothing special
Yet every fucking studio on planet earth just rips off Souls combat
Sometimes the best combat systems aren't the ones that involve mashing every button on the controller in quick succession

I thought the base game was fucking dogshit so I didn't get the DLC

>empty open world
>anime weapon classes added
>gimmick enemies everywhere
>some of the shittiest areas I have ever seen in a Souls game (lower Shadow Keep, all three Ruins, madness forest)
>some of the shittiest bosses I have ever seen in a Souls game (Golden Hippo, Dancing Beast, Rellana)
>fucking Scadutree fragments making any replay of it a chore
>story is getting sissy hypno'd by an incestuous tranny

>>723414418
>Yet every fucking studio on planet earth just rips off Souls combat
Yes, because it's nothing special and very easy to rip off. It's a good baseline for experimentation, and certain studios did a LOT to improve the formula. Just not fromsoft itself.
>aren't the ones that involve mashing every button on the controller in quick succession
That's funny, given how much rolling and L2 spam is involved in every single late fromsoft entry.

>>723405314 (OP)
It was fucking ass, just like elden slop

>>723414163
>Souls combat system is absolutely nothing special, it's the context behind the combat system
you get your elden ring opinions from an irish youtuber ranting about ds3.

>>723414163
The combat is special because it is one of the few 3D action game combat systems that is actually fun and not either button mashing combo autism or trying to be Oblivion.
What made the combat good is that it was fun to do. Even against basic enemies, the weight and mass of your avatar feels right so everything it does is also satisfying. Elden Ring has built on this even more with the Ashes system that lets you really dial in your style of play, making this even more fun.

Bosses that people actually like from Demons Souls or Dark Souls are bosses that are straight combat tests. Not the dumb gimmick fights.
Changing that working formula for boss fights is retarded. This is why no one thinks the fucking Armored Spider is a good boss or thinks that the Capra Demon gank is a good boss. This is why people love Allant or Gywn or Artorius.
You don't change something that works. You change something when there's a flaw.

>>723414521
>anime weapon classes added
I fucking wish. Only Milady, backhand and great katana are.

>>723405314 (OP)
It flopped.

>>723414605
I don't give a shit about your youtube darlings, i have my own head on my shoulders. Begone to your favourite streamer, cuckold.

It started off great, it slowly got worse as it went on. Most of the world was empty, the NPCs didn't get much to do, Radahn was a terrible boss and Miquella didn't get to do anything. The story should've just been about Messmer since he's already on all the art.

>>723414615
Hand-to-Hand and throwing weapons as well. The only class that doesn't look like it was made in a Korean work farm are dueling shields and that's probably why they're based and the only reason to get this pile of shit DLC

>>723414605
what? you watch irish youtubers?

>>723414607
I like both. Incidentally gimmick fights like Mariner and Radahn 1 are some of my favorites

>>723414521
>dancing beast
>rellana
>bad bosses

Pearls before Swine.

>>723414607
>it is one of the few 3D action game combat systems that is actually fun
No. It's merely one of the most accessible ones. DeS combat formula was designed with dungeon crawling in mind, and it only gets good through dungeon crawling and gimmick encounters. Take both of them away and turn the series into the shitty boss battler, and here you go, you've just made shadow of the erdtree.

>>723414689
aw you're just adorable.

back in my day slashing at a dragon gave you a sword

>>723414708
Hand to hand is boring garbage, how the fuck did they manage to make something this samey after bone fist is beyond me.

>>723414740
The only good Mariner is the Mountain one because the giant skeleton is actually threatening.
Radahn 1 is hardly a gimmick fight. He's a pretty standard boss because the summons have their damaged nerfed to hell and aren't worth the time to summon.

>>723414782
weird, for a game without dungeon crawling I sure did a lot of dungeon crawling.

>>723411293
This, after Torrent noped out and the warning messages I was like oh shit but then you only have to really avoid one of them.

>>723414919
spelunking*

>>723414919
You walked through linear corridors pretending to be "dungeons" with none of the intricacy of latria or stonefang.

dryleaf arts is the sickest shit in this game, dlc is great just 'cause i can do martial arts shit now

hope nightreign gets a kung fu character

>>723414919
That's because mouthbreathers like him don't actually enjoy dungeon crawling

This game and Elden Ring were such an abortion of big proportions. The previous games were a little better despite being unfinished themselves.

>>723414997
>You walked through linear corridors pretending to be "dungeons"
But enough about every Souls games

>>723414782
It was designed for a new experimental 3D ARPG game by a director with experience working on the free flowing and speedy Armored Core series, who was working with people that spent their careers designing the slow and plodding Kings Field and they found a middle ground.
DeS combat was miles more advanced and dynamic than anything from previous FromSoft dungeon crawlers and also was very different from the more common hack and slash melee combat systems used at the time.

The combat is good in a vacuum. Shove the player in a white void with batches of enemies scattered around, and most players will actually have fun with it. Because on a moment to moment basis, the combat system is very engaging.
The level design enhances this, and FromSoft has maintained definite talent at that aspect through to Shadow of the Erdtree. But it is only the gilding atop a lily.

>>723415110
Good thing i'm talking about elden ring and in particularly the pathetic shit stains known as belurat and enir ilim.

>>723405314 (OP)
the world design/exploration was 10/10 but it had some of the weakest ER bosses. just lots of cheap obnoxious annoying bullshit, lots of really hacky attacks like Gaius and Metyr having hitboxes that are larger than their models can actually reach so their models abnormally stretch every other physical attack lol. this game's version of Radahan in particular is embarrassingly bad, like i think a Dark Souls modder who makes custom bosses would be embarrassed to have something so cheap in their game.

i'd rate it higher than the base game if you could replace the bosses with ones from the base game that aren't as bad.

>>723414997
latria and stonefang aren't linear meanwhile stormveil or leyndell with their dozens of means to progress are hallways got it. you aren't a serious person.

>>723414839
This sends the /v/ermin into unrelenting, frothing at the mouth, endless seethe

>>723415049
spelunking*

>>723415030
They're a good concept, but if they ever bring them back, adding more fighting styles is a must.
Roll the fists weapon class into Hand-to-Hand one and make the Cestus or Star Fists actual boxing weapons.
Or come up with one that tosses enemies around like the Giant Hunt ability already does.

>>723415205
>tries to cope by bringing the only notable base game locations when we're talking about DLC in particular
Sad to see

>>723415030
Nioh 2 fists will blow your mind

>>723414997
Latria is unbelievably more linear and basic than the Shadow Keep.

>>723415401
Sorry we don't like Team Ninja sloppa in here

>>723415401
how long does it take to get 'em?
i've been spooked by nioh 'cuz the random weapon drop system seems like it'd annoy me

>>723415030
I was so happy to get this. My main character is a wizard with the Alberich giant anime villain pauldrons, so I finally got these now my only equipment in is the staff while the wizard is punching away anyone who gets close. Completed my base game build and image.

>try radahn without festival summons
>it's insanely easier
holy shit

>>723415481
You can start with them. It just takes a while for you to learn all skills.
RNG drops are a literal non-issue, just replace your weapon once per region and you'll be fine. Skills are not tied to them.

>>723415602
>fighting radahn without summoning patches
soulless

>>723415602
Radahn's bow is his most dangerous weapon and while you're fucking around with summoning all the jobbers, you're way more likely to catch an arrow that wipes out 75% of your health bar.
I think they're intentionally nerfed on damage in that fight, because the summons barely tickle his balls, when Radahn doesn't actually have that much HP. Instead it just makes him way less predictable because he switches targets wildly.

>>723415405
Latria has several prison levels broken up by obstacles and requiring several vertical drops to reach certain chunks of the level, it has infinitely more thought put into it than the bland ass linear gigantic hallways and passages of the shadow keep.

>>723416556
>Latria has several prison levels broken up by obstacles and requiring several vertical drops to reach certain chunks of the level
That's a very nice way of saying it's a corridor

>shitters still whining about the skibidy fragments even after fromsoft changed their scaling so hard that going from level 19 to 20 only increases damage dealt by 3%
WAAAAAAAH THE MAP IS TOO EMPTY
>go find all scooby snacks then
WAAAAAAAH I DON'T WANT TO EXPLORE

>>723416795
You're genuinely retarded.

>>723409471
>Twin Zanzibart Trio
holy fucking KINO

>>723413348
holy gamma

>>723405314 (OP)
Didn't even buy it, I hated ER already and this shit is supposedly even more cancer.

>>723419591
skill issue

i hate that fucking lion though

>>723412473
Radahn is the horse now

>>723409471
Low IQ brownoids have no understanding whatsoever of the concept of negative space

I liked Leda

>>723423218
She was a highlight

>>723411586
*blocks your path*

Annoying replay boss you shabriri mimic for now because fuck this?

>>723413339
>the finger nonsense was actually explained
no it wasn't
the mother of fingers is a shittty unnecessary addition
it contributes nothing, it's just more contrivance for contrivance sake

>>723424142
Dead internet theory

i still don't understand even the theory of why skibidi fragments were bad. Having a separate leveling system to stop level 200s from facerolling everything just makes sense

>>723423218
the gank fight was based, I'll give SotE that much

>>723412473
unironically not reviving radahn's horse too is another Deepest Lore clue that miquella is a heartless shell of his former self now and he only cares (may only have ever cared) about radahn's strength to cover his own shortcomings

How is this shit not a boss?

>>723423218
The only problem with Leda is the exact same problem I have with Miquella: Why the fuck are we enemies? I came into this DLC with the full intent to help you, no amount of "Oh btw Miquella brainwashes people" retcons will change my mind on that. But apparently Miyazaki thought forced conflict was the way to go.

>>723425041
leda is an insane puritan knight who killed the whole rest of her puritan knight order for not being puritan enough

your tarnished will never be puritan enough for her; she is insane

>>723413024
>>723424405
This is fucking stupid. If all he cared about was power he wouldn't have spurned Mohg

>>723425041
>"Oh btw Miquella brainwashes people" retcons
Bewitching Branch lorelet detected

>>723405314 (OP)
>Final Boss was lame and it should be something else
>Messmer should have two phases
>The Serpent Killing Spear should work on his second phase like it worked on Rykard
I still think the skibbidi seeds were kinda lame but I don't know how I would fix the level gap thing. All that aside, yeah, it was peak.

It’s the GOAT DLC

>>723425198
mohg < radahn

>>723425198
Miquella wanted a Lord that was too strong to make resisting his rule possible in the event his charm compulsion doesn't work, Mohg is not that Lord

60 vigor and every enemy still 3 hits you with scat frags or not

>>723425343
They're comperable. Probably because they literally have the same body. PCR is only really hard in phase 2 when Miquella powers him up.

>>723425224
Only a slight implication

>STR/FAI chad
>defeat the duel sword lady 1st try by reflecting all her magic back at her with the erdtree greatshield, easy
>get stuck on snake guy, can't beat 1st phase
>massively buff my fire resist, finally get to 2nd phase
>beat it in 1 try, look online and confirm that 2nd phase loses holy damage resist
>get to final boss
why do they hate holy damage users? this shit is starting to feel like pokemon.

>>723425576
They took it seriously that trying to beat the Golden Order with its own element is a bad time

>>723407816
stop spam rolling away from the enemy and roll toward him you absolute dumb fuck shitter. why are you /v niggers so absolutely shit at video games? kill yourself man.

>>723425425
He is though. The only person in the lands between stronger than Mohg is Malenia. I guess Godfrey might give him a serious challenge but that's equally true of Radahn (sans super saiyan)

>>723425576
STR/FAI is the canon build and you're supposed to swap back and forth between holy and fire damage as needed.

>>723425727
Radahn soloed Malenia my guy

>>723407816
>trying to hit anything with shitening spear
humiliation ritual
also ironeye being named "John Nightreign" and having 3 bars is too accurate lmao

>>723425876
He beat phase 1 Malenia and got one shot by the phase transition. Also he summoned.

>>723425576
One of faith's main benefits is it has multiple damage types you can easily access, holy is pretty niche in that it's mostly just strong vs undead. If you wanna be stubborn for roleplaying purposes go for it, but don't act like you don't have other options readily available.

>>723408156
Holy shit you’re retarded, you’re angry because they sold you a full game for dlc price rather than at new game prize

>>723412154
lmao Volcano Manor sucks ass, you should’ve at least said Farum Azula, hell even the Raya Lucaria Academy is better

>>723405314 (OP)
My only complaints are that some of the areas needed more content in them and that the final boss sucked both gameplay and story wise. Otherwise I fucking loved it, 10/10 expansion.

>>723425576
The base game is pretty shitty to holy but all the bosses you're complaining about are either neutral or weak to holy. Rellana is slightly weak to holy (only 20% resistance, lower than fire/magic but higher than lightning). Messmer is neutral to holy in his first phase and weak to it in his second phase. Radahn is weak to holy in his first phase and neutral to it in his second phase.

In fact, there isn't a single boss in the entire DLC who has holy damage as their most resisted element. It's either the same as another element (neutral) or lower than another element (weakness).

>>723412473
He guards St Trina, deepest lore.

>>723424035
I enjoyed collecting these