Thread 723435953

Gaming at 30 fps with 0 drops is better than 60 with drops

Consistency is literally what every single living being strives for.

nice thread

>>723435953 (OP)
I think stable 45 is acceptable, stable 30 kinda feels like ass.

why is this faggot so ugly

>>723436908
depends on the game, oot is a stable 20 and its looks the best that way

>>723436963
>why is a jew ugly
there you go

>>723435953 (OP)
This guy reproduced. Why can't you?

no

>>723436239
30fps is consistently shit. Even drops to high 40s is fine, better than 30 fps slug fest.

>>723437147
any tips on appearing less ugly?

>>723440134
Why did he say this on his public twitter? I will never understand

>>723435953 (OP)
Didn't he put on a fake Bong accent for an entire video for no reason at some point?

>>723435953 (OP)
after playing at 165 60 feels choppy

>>723435953 (OP)
I wont play a game that goes below 45 fps at any point in gameplay, and those dips to 45 better be rare.

>>723440279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43G_9CQ5e0c
IT'S BEEN NOINE YEARS

>>723440357
And to be clear, id rather the devs do whatever they fucking have to do to get the game to run steady at 60.
in shit like tainted grail fall of avalon its evident that they only optimized the engine itself enough to be in a barely playable state in the open world, and that theres nothing you can do to improve your frame rate past a certain point. That shit infuriates me, because they definately optimized it to a certain point, then said "good enough", but it isnt.

>>723440653
Why did he do it?

>>723440326
this, once you go 120+ it sucks going back

>>723435953 (OP)
Yes

>>723435953 (OP)
>59.97 FPS

>>723436352
Hi John

>>723441105
The border around Shadow Man is literally bespoke on this screen.

>>723435953 (OP)
Did he ever find out?

>>723440653
wtf LOOOOOOOOL

This guy is borderline lolcow

>>723441219
Mega man 3 was a bit rushed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Ohvi10sM0

I like ajohn Linneman. His videos are well-researched and informative. Better than the usual zoomer video essay slop of shit like Ahoy that goes on for an hour without saying anything.

>>723441046
been saying this for 15 years. 60 is very choppy when you're used to more, even the desktop feels like ass at 60.

>>723442083
>even
Desktop is the most noticeable one, at a point we just made EISA/VLB because Windows felt like shit on ISA

>>723436994
I think people becoming completely averse to a stable 20 fps has somewhat limited the scope of some games

I like John Linneman. His videos are well-researched and informative. Better than the usual zoomer video essay slop or shit like Ahoy that goes on for an hour without saying anything.

yikes why is he ugly he's giving me the ick

>>723435953 (OP)
Most of my favorite games are locked 30FPS and I see that 60 is better but I have 0 complains, especially PS4 titles on PS5

>>723442083
I can tolerate old games running at 30 FPS but yeah, moving your mouse on a desktop at less than 120 feels like ass

>>723436963
Beta and low T

>>723440134
Testosterone, no joke

>Spyro HD has a few fucked up things that require you to set the game at 30fps every once and awhile
>30fps feels like choppy AIDS

How did people ever put up with this?

maybe stop having shit hardware that you cant even run games at 1080p60fps

>>723436239
Not me

>>723443005
Depends on several definitions, but if you want to say something that works, it's actually:
"Stop setting your games to details that can't do 1080p/60 FPS"

>>723440653
That's literally just his normal voice with a slightly higher pitch. Are you Americans retarded
>>723435953 (OP)
I don't think any of them would claim that 30 is preferable to 60 with some isolated dropped frames BUT i think perceptually even a 40 without consistent frametimes looks smoother than a synched 30 and feels much more responsive... a 30 cap only makes sense to me if you're at like 33 frames per second or something
Disregarding VRR obviously

>>723443342
hi John

Why do some 30FPS games feel choppy, like frameskipping and others like RDR2 feel fine? Demon's Souls on PS5 at 40 feels like skipping frames

>>723443567
motion blur

>>723443567
I meant Demon's Souls at 30 not 40

>>723443342
>That's literally just his normal voice

60 is my minimum. I legitimately just won't play a game unless it can get 60, and I'm fine with using DLSS or turning down settings, not sure why people cry about that so much.

>>723435953 (OP)
this dude seems chill but he can veer into hypersensitive neurotic territory when it comes to uneven frame pacing etc; like if you're that overly sensitive of an individual at a certain point you can't really fault the devs and have to accept your burden.
he's basically the only reviewer who properly discusses sound design and mixing in his reviews tho and i respect him for that

>>723443802
People that bitch about DLSS have a point to an extent in that developers are aiming low and letting DLSS compensate for their inability to code, it allows them to be lazy.
On the other hand, if you eliminate DLSS completely, GPU's would triple in price overnight.
Personally, I'll take a little bit of artifacting that I usually don't even notice when I'm playing.
The people that whine and complain about artifacts in DLSS don't play the games, they just look at them for talking points on /v/

>>723435953 (OP)
HOLY SHIT

>>723444096
The people that bitch about DLSS don't realize that the artifacts they hate are the result of TAA and not specifically DLSS, and that DLSS is the only version of TAA that can still look sort of acceptable.

>>723443567
I find my eyes adjust to what I'm playing after a few minutes, if I switch back and forth between performance modes, as long as they are all consistent enough.
>play at 60fps for an hour
>switch to 30fps mode
>at first the game will look wrong and frame-y
>but a short while later there will be nothing visually wrong or choppy about it, sometimes to the point that I forget which mode I'm in
>only obvious difference is that the input still feels somewhat less responsive at 30
>play that for a while then switch back to 60
>it will look and feel insanely and overly fluid, like a video playing in fast motion, until my eyes adjust again and take the 60fps for granted and decide it looks normal that way

This guy and his older DF Retro content are the only good parts of Digital Foundry, idk why he barely makes any more DF Retros that aren’t lazy like his last few just playing the first hour or so of a game.

>>723443687
It is though! He's just using a different mic and post processing, maybe physically modulating his voice somewhat, in newer videos. Thinking it's a different accent because there's a little more range and it's higher pitched is very stupid
>>723444096
I'm pretty sensitive to DLSS blurring or shimmering so i always found anything less than 1440p->4K to be too much and i considered it unusable at 1440p BUT the transformer model is crazy good and makes 1080p at least viable for my tastes. Looks better than native with TAA a lot of the time

>>723435953 (OP)
This gaijin didn't doesn't even own a VRR display.

30 FPS isn't even part of the discussion anymore unless you're a fucking retard, have some self respect

>>723445117
You're probably playing on a TV with poor pixel response times and the inherent motion blurring is masking the, uh, 'framiness' or choppiness or whatever you'd call it. Because I can tell you that on a fast display, like an OLED or a modern IPS LED, 30fps will not stop looking choppy no matter how much you play

>>723440653
>>723443342
Another video from around the same time, late 2015, and he doesn't sound like that, or he's only doing a small amount of it. He was definitely trying to force some kind of accent in the Gears one

https://youtu.be/-gQMulb6T2o?si=3NQbiZj-m2ito-9Y

>>723440134
That obviously doesn't matter if he reproduced

>>723435953 (OP)
This but unironically. 60 fps that keeps dropping to 57-58 every 10-20 seconds is extreeemely jarring.
And naah, even with VRR sometimes. VRR is a fuckin meme...

>>723441105
>shad... man

Anything lower than a stable 120 is unacceptable in current year.

>He has framerate drops
Stop being poor

>>723443094
nice ass, frog

bespoke

>>723436908
>stable 45
on a 90hz screen, maybe. most decent screens can do 120hz so you should really be aiming for 40 at the very least for crr

>>723440653
fucking hell lmao

>>723441105
This shit runs at 17 half the time.

>>723445210
the scope of his videos have been getting longer recently (his thps 3+4 retro video is coming soon) plus a mix of mental health issues and work travel (he did TGS recently) leaves little time for ass long videos

30 is fine with a culture.
60 is unplayable with a m&k even if it's consistent.

>>723443567
frame time inconsistencies, or essentially how long a frame stays on screen for. vsync is supposed to regulate that but sometimes the game might not render the frame in time for the intended target refresh rate (one frame every 33.3ms for 30fps) so it might show a frame for 50ms then the one after that for 16ms before everything gets back to normal. with some games "normal" never really happens so you get 30fps, but it's made up of a mix of 16ms frames and 50ms frames trying to correct how consistently frames get shown.

of course, you can ditch vsync and get screen tearing where frames just get sent out before they're fully rendered but that's just gross looking

>>723447736
There's a patch that optimizes the fuck out of the game.
i'm not using it, but there is

>>723440326
It's crazy how some console toddlers are still arguing about 30 fps vs 60 fps when the gaming world has moved above 120 fps.

>>723449212
i don't play modern video games
>t. plays breath of the wild on Wii U where it drops regularly down to 20fps from 30fps because double buffer vsync

>>723442993
Just play the original.

>>723435953 (OP)
>native 30fps game
>run it at 60fps in emulator settings
>game is near unplayable because everything is way too fast
>there are now glitches

i like frame drops. it means shit is getting real.

>>723440653
Ok i really like digital foundry, but this is very werid. Wtf john.

>>723449582
it was his first voiced video, even the other DF guys reference it to this day because it's so funny

>>723435953 (OP)
30 fps is sand paper
60 fps is cotton
144 fps is satin
165+ is silk

>>723435953 (OP)
depends on how often the drops are. all the time randomly? i'd rather have 30. once in a while when there's a bunch of shit all over the screen? that's fine.

>>723440653
hes putting on his presenter voice

I will take 60fps with drops any day of the week

>>723445950
All modern screens have shit response times.
That's why they all have motion blur.

>>723435953 (OP)
the absolute face of a pedophile pervert

>>723435953 (OP)
I wouldn't in the modern era touch any game that doesn't run at a consistent >120fps

>>723449693
>Food analogy

>>723451523
Why would you come on here and post something that is factually untrue and easy to verify? Does that seem rational?

>>723451646
Turn on your monitor.

Wait a minute...

>>723452162
sorry you're so upset

>>723440214
The guy obviously has no friends, only colleagues.

>>723452417
>knobs
LOL I see it bro

>>723446203
>the memories start flooding back
Fuck you nigger

>>723452460
Thanks for helping out the visually-impaired anons in their quest to find the joke, but you might want to add red arrows and labels to additionally support the mentally retarded demography (of which I am a member, natch)

>>723452819
Do you watch a movie and go "Thanks for helping out the visually-impaired viewers in their quest to recognize the character, but you might want to add red arrows and labels to additionally support the mentally retarded demography (of which I am a member, natch)"

A very bespoke bokeh depth of field

>>723436239
I just wonder what Ganon's up to

>>723435953 (OP)
Not gaming at all is preferable to gaming at 30 fps.

>>723453359
Your majesty! Ganon and his minions have seized the island of Koridai.

>>723453565
Hmmm
How can Wii help?