Thread 723448454

>>723448454 (OP)
A good story in videogames is worthless unless the gameplay is at least average.

Good gameplay can stand on its own without a good story.

There's no need to create some faggot tribalism debate over which is better.

>>723448454 (OP)
Ideally, they work together, but you can have gameplay without story and still have it be a game. A story without gameplay is just a novel. Visual novels tend to just be electronic choose your own adventure stories.

>>723448454 (OP)
both
dmc 3 is a thing

>>723448454 (OP)
Aesthetics and art design are more important than both.

Gameplay is more important than story in general, but if a story is actively horrible it can still ruin a game no matter how fun the gameplay is.

>>723448454 (OP)
games with great story still need at least passable gameplay to be successful (see FF14, Witcher 3, The Last of Us, etc)

games with great gameplay do not need any story to be successful (see every MOBA, every FPS, every fighting game, every Soulslike, every Roguelike, etc)

>>723448454 (OP)
not even homowestoids love VNs
they want to pretend that their VNs are actually video games

>>723448454 (OP)
/v/, learn to post gems, let me show an example of a gem picture
<-- see pic related

>>723448454 (OP)
Depends on what I want out of the game. Even though I liked Xenoblade X, I like that the mainline games have a bigger focus on narrative. Meanwhile, for the Ys series I fucking hate how story heavy the games have gotten.

>>723448454 (OP)
Both. For the synergy to work at its best the mechanics of the game should reinforce the themes and mood the story is presenting. Either can stand alone on its own and be great, but to truly achieve what this art is capable of, they need to reach ludonarrative resonance

>>723448454 (OP)
Gameplay is king

>>723448454 (OP)
Story is more important to me, but it really depends on what you want at that moment. Sometimes I play a game just for the mechanical fun it brings. Though a game with a bad story and good gameplay is always more disappointing than a game with poor gameplay and a good story.

My favorite games are all story focused, but i like games with good gameplay and almost no story like the Mario games. But i'd never play a game with an actively bad story

I will never understand why storyfags don't just fuck off to a medium that is better suited for story telling. I'm not saying I want there to be zero story or anything, but if it's the primary thing you look for in a game, there are a million other places that do it better

Gameplay.
I've enjoyed games that are gameplay focused, games that are story focused, and games that are both depending on what I'm in the mood for. But overall, I can deal with a game where the plot isn't all that (unless it's really that egregious) if the gameplay is solid and functional, which it usually is. Not so much the other way around usually.

>Skip
>Skip
>Skip
Ahh yes, finally time to get back to the game.

>>723448454 (OP)
Game=Gameplay
Story=Book
Simple as.

>>723448454 (OP)
You can stomach bad story if the gameplay is good.
But the story needs to be REALLY FUCKING GOOD to stomach bad gameplay.

>>723448454 (OP)
Gameplay, if i want story i read a book

for me it's graphics

>>723448454 (OP)
there was never any debate lol

its always aesthetic
you wont play the best rpg,tps,fps or rts barbie games let alone thinking about it

The real most important factor for a game's long-term impact is music.

>>723448454 (OP)
Gameplay, gameplay, gameplay. If I want story, I watch a movie.

>>723457073
>But the story needs to be REALLY FUCKING GOOD to stomach bad gameplay.
And even then too much of that story can still fuck it up.

gameplay without a motivator to play it is worthless.

>>723459882
this isn't true, because the Abzu soundtrack is one of the greatest soundtrack albums of all time, and the game is super mid.

>>723448454 (OP)
As a child:
>skip every piece of dialogue/cutscene
>only care about the story
As a manchild:
>Read every piece of dialogue
>Can't get invested if the story is dogshit, unless it's something where the story is irrelevant like an arcade or racing game

>>723460132
>only care about the story
gameplay****

fuck

>>723452002
Why is dark souls there then

>>723448454 (OP)
Games can have both good story and good gameplay, it doesn't have to be one or the other

>>723452002
i dont know why, but whenever i see someone with a schmup in their 3x3, i immediately think they're an insufferable faggot. probably pattern recognition

>>723457072
That's the same opinion i had when i was a dumb teenager. Games can be more than just gameplay and have proven this multiple times

>>723460320
You're not wrong.

>videoGAMEs
gee whiz, i wonder what is the correct answer

>>723460456
VIDEOgame
so you want more cutscenes then

>>723448454 (OP)
It's all about vibes.

>>723460321
That's the same opinion i had when i was a dumb teenager. Games can be more than 2deep4u press button to continue slog fest and have proven this multiple times

>>723460531
i don't think this joke works in reverse

>>723460321
well you're proof that midwits are the ones ruining everything

>>723448454 (OP)
never saw a good story with shit gameplay game

>>723460132
As a child:
>masturbate to masterful kingdom hearts / ff dialogue
>only care about the characters and story
As a manchild:
>Skip every piece of dialogue
>Be mad if tutorial is too long
>Drop the game if there is not constant flow of gameplay in the first minute
>Can't get invested if there's constant cutscenes, anime/hollywood/marvel tropes, or other cliche shit

>>723448454 (OP)
Good gameplay can convey the story/narrative.
Good story can make sure that the gameplay isn't weighed down with shit that isn't fun to play and doesn't mesh well.
One works for the benefit of the other and vice versa.
>>723456852
Because very few media can actually get you immersed in the value systems and functioning of a world with quite the same efficacy as a game. A game can get you invested in something that would otherwise be very alien to you without a direct analog to something you are invested in.
>>723449958
nice bait

Gameplay is king, but if the game also has a somewhat interesting story and/or characters I'll likely remember if fondly for years to come

>>723460263
Name 5 games

>>723448454 (OP)
Both suck donkeyballs in e33 lmao

I value art design, setting, atmosphere as much as I value gameplay. If a game is boring to look at, then it doesn't matter if the gameplay is good, I need something that grabs my attention and pulls me into the world.

I was gameplay purist but then realised that my favourite games in their respective genres were elevated by the story, nine sols comes to mind first

Bro just read a book if you want stroy

>>723448454 (OP)
there's no debate
gameplay is fundamental, story is secondary

A bad story doesn't ruin good gameplay, but the opposite can happen.

>>723463207
The opposite is true for JRPG fans

>>723448454 (OP)
I'll do you one better OP
You can only choose one set of pairs

>>723462937
best post on this shitty bait thread

>>723448542
Silent Hill demonstrates how wrong you are.

>>723448542
>A good story in videogames is worthless unless the gameplay is at least average.
Wrong

>>723463356
you don't get it, without gameplay, there's no videogames
without story, there can be a videogame still
also gameplay is a very important part of JRPGs, I don't know why you say that

>games
>great story
you have to be an actual subhuman to find these stories great.

>>723463657
In most cases the gameplay is just a dvd menu while the majority of your time is spent pressing next through dialogue boxes. People don't play this shit for the gameplay, it's for the atmosphere, world building, characters and narrative.
You can even remove the gameplay entirely and it becomes a visual novel, they love that too.

>>723448454 (OP)
False dichotomy
Gameplay is story

>>723448454 (OP)
I find myself mostly nostalgic for memorable levels and music from games like vanilla wow and spyro rather than actual "story" moments
I want immersion and cutscenes are the complete opposite of that