Thread 723490060

I’ve never been a huge JRPG or anime guy. But I decided to give this a chance. Its great. I put over 80 hours into it. Why exactly does it create so much seethe? Seems like a rather harmless fun game.

>>723490060 (OP)
Every great game causes seethe on /v/. only the mid games don't

>>723490060 (OP)
Great post OP. Maybe I should buy it too. Never been a huge JRPG or anime guy either, but it seems like none of the criticisms anyone has about this game are legitimate, so I'll buy it right now.

>never cared about this but also spent time in the threads watching people insult it
Huh. Strange.

>>723490060 (OP)
It's a remake, every remake causes seethe

>>723490441
Your combative attitude towards innocuous things is why your blood pressure is so high.

FF7 is basically the Star Wars of vidya, make of that what you will

it's the fallout 4 if jrpgs

>"i hate this game so much bros"
>300 hours played

>>723490772
>>723490816
Basically this. A lot of old time fans and diehards feel like it’s a betrayal or something.

Ser I never played final fantasy game, but historically heard it was some great one. I finally played part 2 to a 3 game trilogy and it was just amazing I think you should redeem game yes.

No I'm not a cultist. I am normal

Every remake thread is people explaining why they don't like it, and the people who like it pretend not to hear them and make zero attempt to explain why it's good. They spend all their time saying the critics criticisms don't count and no time actually promoting the games in any tangible way.

>>723490948
>Why does this game create seethe
>act like a seething retard
cant make this shit up lmao

>>723490060 (OP)
I find the overly contrived and melodramatic story and the voice acting to be pretty poor. Japanese people struggle to direct English voice actors. I guess just play the game on mute or with music/podcasts and skip the cutscenes and you've got a really good game

>>723491093
Because it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>723490060 (OP)
Honest question, did you play the original ps1 game?

>>723491169
Was this difficult? See? Someone explained why they didn’t like it instead of acting like a retarded sperg. Its a great thing to be an adult.

>>723490948
meanwhile in reality turn troon games like metaphor keep flopping. Rebirth mogs the living fuck out of it

>>723491263
No. I’m not into jrpgs. I played Pokemon Gale of Darkness if that counts.

>>723491313
>>723491101
Ser I'm well adjusted societal member I do working for living. I haven't parroted same talk points Fer the past year and one half I just play rebirth first time

>>723491428
Do you really think just calling everyone indian is a win lol

Funny how every E33 thread is schizos seething at FF instead of talking about their astroturfed dogshit.

>>723491468
Look do not make fun of rebirth it changed my life

>>723491592
You should get a new playbook.

>>723490930
>>723491468
They hate to be reminded that none of their complaints mean SHIT
Just look at how much more stock value SE has than SEGA kek

>>723491590
>>723491673

>>723490060 (OP)
Here is an actual answer:
Overall as a game it's objectively great. The problem is some people have an unhealthy attachment to the original from 1997. Childhood games to that to everyone to an extent so you can't really blame them.
They aren't happy with the changes the story is making and on the other side some even think not enough is changing. SE is trying to please both but in a way they are pissing both off.
You will notice the criticism of this game consits of buzzwords - like the new story is 'melodramatic' and 'contrived'. They will complain the new story has too much content (unironically) despite the fact you can choose to ignore as much side content as you want and complete the game twice as fast.

>>723491760
People like you think "unfinished" and "poorly paced" are considered buzz words

>>723491760
> Overall as a game it's objectively great. The problem is some people have an unhealthy attachment to the original from 1997.
Could’ve stopped typing there

>>723490060 (OP)
The problem is some people have a mental issue that causes them to forget their opinions are different from objective facts, and they spend years not understanding why others are "lying" about the game being bad and have to create schizo headcanons to explain this.
They would rather do this than accept that loving the game is an opinion they have, and that they might have to defend that opinion with words. They just want to stick to the "objective fact" that it's great so they don't have to think or argue.
yes, exactly like a cult who sees their god as infallible and unquestionable and everyone else as heathens

>>723491760
I refuse to criticize SE for putting shit content in these games. The blame is entirely on the player who should know not to play the side content. You will ALWAYS see me posting multiple times in these threads to make clear it's the players fault and not SEs.

I've seen certain groups seek less validation than rebirthfags. If you love the game, and it did well, great. No amount of awards will change the lack of cultural impact this game has had. Better luck next time with part 3

>>723492118
You’re a liar. The people who despise this game are just as demented as OP.

>>723491760
I don't suppose you could give us some examples of criticism you wouldn't consider a buzzword? Or is all criticism of this "objectively" great game inherently wrong?

>>723490060 (OP)
loved it platinumed rebirth and remake
v can stand to admit any enjoyment from sony. I swear its all long dead xbros and nintodd1ers while sony focuses quality over shite √

>>723492420
There has only been one criticism posted itt. And even that is kind of retarded because why would you even bother with a Japanese game if you don’t like their melodramatic style.

>>723491371
No worries
To answer your question,
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
There's different takes, but unified under 2 opposing sides
The purists
>Played and enjoyed the original
>Wanted a remake since the PS3 e3 tech demo 20 years ago
>Seen remakes that are honest and faithful to the source material like resident evil 1 for the gamecube
The not-so-purists
>Wants anything FF7, anime, movies, gacha, you name it, as long as it's FF7
>Those wanting in on what's trendy, or contrarian
>Casual audiences
Since you're a straight forward anon, I mean no shit posting when I say that remake was made specifically with gamers just like you in mind, the presentation, gameplay, and just about everything about it was made with newcomers to the IP and a more casual player in mind and some difficulties provided for those seeking challenges, while (admittedly, this is talking shit) taking fans and "fans" for granted
The main issue boils down to those who wanted a 1:1 remake (not remaster or reboot), and those alternately aforementioned
If square took the framework of remake and rebirth, and made that ff16, while making an ACTUAL remake for 7 in 1 game, not 3 (which is also a grievance among purists), there wouldn't be as many anons chimping out on both sides, myself included

>>723492563
I wasn't asking you to summarize the criticisms in the thread, grok. I know which criticism you think is a buzzword and doesn't count. I'm asking you what criticism does count.

>>723492118
That's... a really good description actually

the only thing fans of this game ever talk about is how mad they are other people dont like it

>>723493113
Because the game doesn't have much to talk about.

The story is incomplete so it's endless theory crafting on what should be foregone conclusions if it is practically like the original as people claim. None of the new character arcs are exactly wrapped up either

The gameplay, while good, doesn't have a lot of variety in how you play it or tackle challenges, so that's out

Shipping wars are complete cancer

So what's left? Getting pissy that there are people who think it's not a 10/10 game of course

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
Because it's NOT good. You just have shit taste

>>723493854
Remake and rebirth were made for casuals
OP did nothing wrong

>>723492681
>The main issue boils down to those who wanted a 1:1 remake (not remaster or reboot),
This basically summarizes it, op. And furthermore to expand on his point, a lot if this just came down to communication. If the marketers just said from the get go, “This is not a true remake, it’s a reimagining. It’s Eva Rebuild.” I think fans would have felt less insulted.

>>723494273
Okay, and. Its not like the original was exactly a hardcore game or something lol lets not bloviate here, be honest.

>>723491206
/thread

>Flawless deep combat
>Great characters
>Great story
>Great art direction
>Great OST
>Waifus
>Good graphics
>Lots of content
>Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
This is a 10/10 game

>>723494403
I take issue in part because of the messaging, but also because there was only gonna be one shot at this, and it got the Hollywood treatment
>We want to make something newcomers can appreciate, while also acknowledging the fans
which translates to
>We want that lowest common denominator money, loyalists will turn up either way lol

>>723491206
I see this fucking narrative parroted in every thread about these games and its such a low hanging fruit explanation if why people like them. Of course people enjoy spending more time in a fictional universe they enjoy, with characters they’ve grown attached to. Thats okay, thats normal, nothing of note there. But to deny that these two games aren’t great in any way is just ridiculous. You’re trying to reduce it solely to hardcore fanboyism, when it’s not. The two games actually have a lot going for them.

Why would you even want a 1:1 remake with just better graphics?

>>723494817
If SE made a bad ff7 game and released it next week and it had all the characters in it and lots new story, you'd buy it, even knowing it was a bad game.

>>723495385
Did you see the e3 tech demo when it came out?

>>723495385
nobody ITT said they wanted that so I'm not sure you'll get an answer

>>723496360
No people have been saying that for years

squarejeet goycattle subhuman marketer thread

>>723496463
in your head maybe
but maybe you'll get lucky and one of those people will appear and then they can answer your question

>>723496592
You’re not even good at gaslighting lmao
>we didn’t want a 1:1
>we didn’t want a reimagining
Well what the fuck did you want you dishonest dipshit

>>723490060 (OP)
shit UP

>>723494817
>its such a low hanging fruit explanation if why people like them
Correct in that the game itself is the low hanging fruit. It's why discerning fans resent those people because that just incentivizes S-E to pump out slop like a "remake" that takes the better part of a decade to be completed and people have to pay for three times over instead of making a singular game that people actually like and wanted. Luckily most people realized what was happening after playing Remake and have rebuked Rebirth and will likely rebuke part 3 as well.

>>723496806
look at all these quotes you have floating around in your head, very interesting.
again, lets wait for someone who actually wants a 1:1 remake for you to question.
>ur dishonest
cries the guy who is upset I'm bursting his strawman bubble

>>723496512
you’re such an empty minded npc that it’s almost depressing. i say almost because you actually dont deserve any sympathy for being such an aggressively retard simpleton. you’re like an ant. not a single individual thought occurs in your brain. you just repeat buzzwords like a fucking robot

>>723496806
remakes aren't 1:1, at best that would be a port

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
People who play it are horrendously insecure.

>>723497184
every single thread being endless malding about the people who don't like the game instead of discussion about the game tells you everything you need to know

>>723497070
Okay, we can do things your way lol i’ll play your childish dishonest game. What did you want from this remake project
>inb4 A GOOD GAME! GOTCHA LMAO

>promise a remake
>name the game FF7 Remake
>it's actually a sequel

>>723497285
Gaslighting 101: were not doing anything lmao it’s all in your head xD

You realize people can’t actually talk about this game in this board without dumb fucks like you chiming in right

>>723497424
>it's actually a "what if" reboot/ sequel
ftfy

>>723497135
Answer the question or just alt-f4 and fuck off. What did you want

>>723490060 (OP)
Because they dont appreciate yuffie. ( too many minigames tho desu)

>>723497594
I'm not that guy you quoted but my answer would be a straight up remake rather a sequel

>>723491169
barrett and yuffie VA are great tho.

>>723497345
literally all I'm saying is nobody ITT said they wanted a 1:1 remake. so those people aren't going to answer because they're not here. pointing this simple fact out has driven you insane.

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
Most FF fans are old and jaded + balding

>>723497568
the annoying part is they arent fully committed to it either.

> actually its reality chess between aerith and sephiroth
> zack alive
> but also all the other events of ff7 are still playing out

Oh sweet an FFVIIR thread, let's take a look inside
>99% of the posts are people crying about anyone who dares to criticize it
>0 posts about the games
Every time. At least you all finally stopped bitching about Metaphor.

>>723497795
Alright. We can work from there. How would you describe that? Are we keeping the perspective of the of, or going with the camera pov of later ffv games? What are we doing with the combat? How are we treating the art style ? I think one thing we can all agree is that the music is better in the remakes. I believe most of it is still midi, but some are full orchestral versions.

>>723498040
It's watching the juggle of >>723494759 in real time

will anything cure the insecurity at the heart of the 7R fan? it seems nothing helps

>>723498053
Except the context of this thread was op asking why the rage, not telling him about it

>>723498143
SE knows i will buy it anyway. I just hope it ends on a satisfying conclusion. Wouldnt be suprised if we got a part 3 announcement in dec during the game awards

wonder if they will milk this hard and do a game based off advent children KEK

>>723498385
Kitase already said they're thinking about more FF7 games, maybe even another movie or tv show. Because he knows >>723491206

>>723498243
>insecurity
Its not that, its actually just confusion. Its a good game and I have zero sort of shame admitting that I like it. The vitriol that’s hurled at it is just weird. People come up with the strangest ways to shit on Rebirth, but those same people are doing mental gymnastics to justify bullshit games like TotC. Its a retarded toxicity that exists on this board

>>723496230
I like that nobody even bothers denying this

>>723498542
Why would anyone reply to your low effort bait

>>723498456
I certainly think they could make advent children into a game.

outside of that i really dont know how they could milk ff7 more. Making a game based off dirge of cerberus is REALLY stretching it.

>>723498615
They could say "I wouldn't" but they know in their hearts they would

>>723498645
>i really dont know how they could milk ff7 more
Don't you worry, we're going to find out

>>723494817
>I see this fucking narrative parroted in every thread
Because it's true and I say that as a fan

>>723498649
I wouldn’t.

>>723498385
Frankly, Anon, if you enjoyed remake and/ or rebirth, I have every reason to believe you'll enjoy the conclusion
I also don't doubt >>723498456, which seems wild to me considering how turbulent the remake project's sales have been

>>723498729
> mfw its just going to be a loop of the game in 3 parts until we get the " correct" timeline.

>>723490060 (OP)
Literally just because of autists with nostalgia.

The same people who seethe about it would have loved it if they hadn't played FF7 before. They're too autistic to separate their nostalgia from sane reasoning.

Why is this game so weirdly split into 3 completely separate titles?

>>723498101
Simply take what's been made for Remake, Rebirth and will be made in part 3 and take out all the stuff about the whispers/jannies and alternate universes/timelines and make the storyline stick to what the original game was. You can keep minor additions like Roche and visiting Jessie's parents or anything that doesn't excessively bloat the game.

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
Turn-based fans are retarded and lack the skill to play. OG purists want the exact same experience as OG FF7, but are also too retarded to realize that they can just replay the original (with mods).

>>723498895
they fucked up releasing rebirth on pc way later. If SE has a brain p3 will drop on pc/playstation at the same time.

btw im not saying they were perfect, i still think the whispers/alternate timelines is convulated af

>>723491206
This.
I think as remake goes on, and its audience shrinks, it will only get more defensive and less reasonable. It's like the XIII trilogy all over again. You either bow out or go all in and mindbreak yourself and spend the rest of your life defending it and refusing to listen to anyone else. Only it's 100 times worse because this time it's people obsessed with Zack and Kingdom Hearts and other such trash.

>>723498895
Now they’ve streamlined production. Building on top of Rebirth will make all subsequent games a lot cheaper. People will always pay for anything that says “Final Fantasy VII”. Its one of the most recognizable brands in video game history.

>>723498101
>I think one thing we can all agree is that the music is better in the remakes
no

>>723498964
The same reason The Hobbit was milked into 3, when it could've/ should've been 1
Money.

>>723499138
good analogy

>>723498964
Just like LotR was split into three movies despite it all being one book

>>723499273
LotR movies were too long. Who watches a movie for 9 hours?

>>723499189
I hate that we live in a timeline like this that does this, but thank you

Always fascinated by the fanboys who try their darndest to claim the people who don't buy or like the remakes are the fans obsessed with the characters and ff7 and hate it because of nostalgia when they're literally the ones buying ANYTHING with cloud, tifa, sephiroth and zack in it and declaring it all kino no matter what and going absolutely fuckin insane if anyone says even one tiny critical thing about any of it

>>723494273
>Remake and rebirth were made for casuals
Imagine pretending that OG FF7 is a hardcore game. lol

For comparison, the Rufus fight in FF7R is actually challenging. In OG all you do is spam attack until the limit bar is full. The you one-shot him with braver.

>>723499410
Actually I will buy anything with Aeris in it

>>723499273
hobbit analogy is more apt since they took one book and turned it into 3 films by adding garbage.
lotrs was always released as 3 books and when they made the films they cut things, they didn't pad the story out.
but I know you really really really want people to stop making the hobbit analogy and sway it for the lotrs one even though it doesn't work. anything to protect viir. no matter how bad the argument.

>you
Looks like he is seeing his /v/ enemy again

>>723499717
I swear just yesterday this place was FULL of people saying they wanted a 1:1 remake. they're just all not here right now. but they'll be back.

>more schizo babble
go outside man

>>723491206
this happens in other franchises too. my hope is that by saying this it someone cancels out the fact that you're right.

>>723499465
>I DID IT, I POSTED THE WEBM
I'm not a tryhard, I don't require my games to be hardcore, I prefer them to be fun
I enjoyed the 90s anime aesthetic, the balance of playfulness and seriousness, the combat (yes, I play games to relax, not prove to myself how heckin EXTREME I am), the materia system, the extra stuff
I DON'T like open world (different from over world), modern gaming realism (see moogles), combat that seems like it's begging for Ritalin, or bloat
I also never asked for shit like flippy bike guy, sephiroth getting 80% more screen time, jannies (time or otherwise), shit like alternate universes and being linked to ff5

>>723490060 (OP)
tell me ONE popular game that /v/ doesn't hate

>>723500573
Not op, but currently popular, or ever?

>>723496463
People have been saying that for 18+ years in fact but look at the reply chain, none of this matters anyway, anons just want to live in the FF house unbothered, unevicted, forever. It's not about arguments. It's about being soulbonded to the FF7 universe.

>>723491093
it's because most of the criticism boil down to turn based fags who despise action games. What exactly can you say about that? It's a matter of taste.

>>723490060 (OP)
I don't hate it but I'm not in love with it either. I think the gameplay systems would be better served in an original title, instead of doing a bizarre padded out version of a game I already played

>>723500573
Breath of the wild

>>723491093
>people who like it pretend not to hear them and make zero attempt to explain why it's good
Not true, they all say the combat is great (granted, they never elaborate on that, BUT STILL), and it's given modern shipfags a bountiful feast
That's all I can find anyway

>>723500895
You should just say it how it is, dude.
>leave us alone

>>723491206
>Because it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what
pffft i haven't even played the original to have that much attachment to the characters. i just like the combat, music and the story

>>723500951
nta, but *gameshow BZZZZ*, wrong.
There's been plenty of botw shitpost threads

>>723490060 (OP)
Because it was a sequel not a remake.

>>723498649
i wouldn't. I haven't played CC Reunion and i don't care. I haven't played Ever Crisis. Remake/rebirth are the only good things about the compilation.

>>723500110
>let me complain about the best game released in the past 10 years or so
Ok.

>>723501423
>rebirth ruined the original
who are you quoting?

I think 7R fans would spontaneously combust if they had to go 15 minutes without a strawman argument. It's all they seem to know.

>>723501161
what am i supposed to say?
>just start liking action games

>>723500573
Elden Ring I guess

>>723491206
People like the characters square made and that's why they buy the games

>>723500787
I wanna live in Tifa’s cleavage unbothered

>>723494403
I can agree with that, if it had actually been advertised as a pseudo sequel I probably would’ve been less mad about it.

>>723501715
How many times are you gonna say that

>>723501423
If I was predisposed for immersionfaggotry, I might see your point. I don't buy games for spectacle or fotm trends, I buy it for gameplay above all else which is an afterthought these days. Remake/birth's changes from the original (besides plot obviously) should have been a different game.

>>723501714
>Elden Ring
you must not have been here the day Elden Ring was released

>>723501714
I see seethe threads about that game constantly
'fromslop' 'openworld slop' 'rollslop'

>>723501625
I like action games just fine. What I hate are shitty hybrid systems that aren't true action games, pathetically weak filler attacks, stagger bar mechanics, etc.

>>723501876
People like the characters, get over it. Yes they buy games with characters they like oh how terrible.

Thoughts?

>>723501926
>filler attacks
whatever that means

>>723502076
should have been a robot. This is one of the redesigns i didn't like

>>723502006
I’m not even disagreeing with you lmao but if you’re gonna act like that’s the only reason that rebirth is a good game then you’re just retarded or dishonest

>>723502076
Top made no sense, but looked cool af anyways
Bottom, much like the game as a whole, makes no sense to change what was there
Just another example of style getting thrown out for "style". I'm sure bitredtops(?) was redesigned to fit the heckin actiony coombat

>>723497285
Case in point.

>>723490060 (OP)
It is not exactly a jrpg. It's a neutered action game, set in the worst open world ever created.

>>723502076
There was never going to be a way to redesign this shit and have it satisfy everyone

>>723501914
When Elden first released, for the most part /v/ was just singing its praises. The harsh criticism came later. In fact, you can probably still make a good ER thread right now

>>723502454
>I dont understand the remake/rebirth combat system
Thanks for participating in thread.

>>723502764
>for the most part /v/ was just singing its praises
kek

>>723502846
What is there to understand? It didn't really offer much resistance until Gilgamesh and the final set of VR challenges. I went hours without opening up the menu to optimize any of my equipment or materia because it didn't seem to matter much so I forgot.

>>723494273
remake and rebirth are much harder than the og, so i'm not sure what you mean by "casuals"

>>723503043
Its literally impossible to get through the Hell House while mashing and playing like a retard. There are boss fights that force you ti learn and appreciate the game mechanics.

>>723495385
It's just nostalgiafags, MGS 3 delta isnt very good exactly because it's a 1:1, the only good thing is they didnt censor Eva but the game design is outdated

>>723503230
From a presentation standpoint

I dropped this game 20 hrs in at costa del sol because the side quests were getting irritating and the game pacing/world was shit. fuck johnny

>>723503419
You missed out on nothing

>>723503318
I'm talking about Rebirth here.
I do remember Remake being harder but I haven't played that since launch so I'm not sure why.

>>723503419
The side quests are mostly dog shit. But the mainline content is definitely worth visiting.

>>723503386
No wonder it's so rare to see people in these threads saying they wanted a 1:1 remake

Why do the viir defence force pretend that if you say you disliked ANYTHING bout these games you're a nostalgia fueled purist demanding a 1:1 remake?

Rebirth and remake aren't JRPGs

>>723500895
My criticism is nothing to do with the combat though, it's the nonsense plot and endless padding for the worst part of OG FF7

>>723503670
It's their only strategy and they think it works

>>723503670
No one does that.
>>723503717
Yes they are. But let me guess, you don’t qualify Kingdom Hearts as JRPGS.

>>723503760
They're shitty action games.

>>723503804
Yeah, stop talking about games. Goodbye.

>>723503760
>No one does that.
I see dozens of posts about these supposed demands for a 1:1 remake from nostalgia purists in every thread but I don't see those demands anywhere

>>723503846
>D-Don't tell me the truth!
Retard.

>>723490060 (OP)
>I’ve never been a huge JRPG or anime guy. But I decided to give this a chance. Its great.
Rebirth is perfect for you because it was made with people like you in mind.

>>723503670
It's a buzzword strawman. An actual 1:1 "remake" would simply be a port.

>>723503921
Look, if you want to say that Rebirth (a jrpg) plays like Ninja Gaiden (an action game) then you aren’t qualified to talk about games. You’re fucking dumb as fuck and being reductionist. Rebirth is n rpg game with action based realtime mechanics. It combines the two, but it’s far more rpg because you can literally suck at all real time based mechanics such as parrying and dodging and still do well. If you want to call a recent FF game a bad action game, look at 16, not Rebirtih.

>>723504041
No one has still yet to answer what they really wanted btw

>>723504041
Ok, not just you, but there's tons of people who don't know what shit means
Port = copy that works with your controller
Remaster = upscale/ uprez, maybe replace a texture or two, and optional changes to music
Remake = same structures, same style, same designs, only changes are more fluid animations, and updated visuals and audio all around
Reboot = keep (most) the critical characters and locations, do whatever the fuck you want with everything else

>>723504701
As soon as someone who wanted a 1:1 remake shows up they'll explain why. Until then you'll just have to be patient.

Rebirthfags have to grasp at every possible straw because they have been blown out time and time again.

The game performed like shit on ps5, and only started to rebound after multiple sales, it performed so badly that Square Enix has had to rethink its entire exclusivity strategy. Now that they have done so it finally did "ok". These fanboys also have no clue what sales and opportunity cost relative to budget means

The game got completely humiliated at awards that rabid fanboys themselves propped up. Now they grasp at nothing but lesser rewards that so many less people care about. TGAs never mattered, but all of last year these fanboys sure liked to pretend that they did

Lower budget turn-based games are attacked as a form of insecurity. They don't like the fact a game like expedition 33 performed well and received generally warm responses all around, because the game is set up like how a proper ffvii remake could be set up, with a functional world map with proper map encounters, a system not too unlike Materia, and solid enough side quests, while being presented with not perfect but fairly reasonable pacing. I don't like expedition 33, but I see why people do. Personally think the story is mediocre and the gameplay is shallow, but I can understand where people are coming from, especially a newer generation. The rebirthfag's insecurity stems from a different game being potentially generation defining

>>723503670
they think rebirth sales will improve if they attack everyone else all day

>>723502547
That's called being lazy. Stop making excuses.

>>723504779
>They don't like the fact a game like expedition 33 performed well and received generally warm responses all around,
You’re creating boogeymen in your head lmao Final Fantasy fans fucking love Ex33. The beef is one sided. You’ve got retards who like ex33 but shit in Japanese games, which makes no sense whatsoever.

>>723502547
>its okay for it to be bad because someone would just complain anyway
The 7R devs repeat this mantra every morning

>>723505256
>You’re creating boogeymen in your head
Tell us again about the 1:1 purist nostalgiafags

>>723504701
literally answered and ignored in >>723498992

Ubislop like Rebirth is made for the lowest common denominator.

>>723504768
>not just you
explain what 1:1 means

>>723505769
He can’t lmfao

>>723505837
You've been loling a lot, I'm glad youre enjoying the thread so much and not just masking seething fury

>>723505728
>ubislop mechanics mentioned
The collectathons and waypoints were the only thing that’s actually flawed about Rebirths design. But even that is somewhat offset by how pretty the game looks. Even busy work in a beautiful game is immersive

>>723504779
it did perform well but did people actually play it? most complainers of rebirth seems to have actually reached the latter chapters.

i don't think the glazers of e33 even reached act 3 kek

>>723505837
I'm sure anyone can explain, it's just that if they did they'd end up pointing out why it can't apply to a remake

>>723506020
You really wish I was upset huh? Very weird. Must be a mental disorder coupled with irrational hatred of an anime game

>>723506076
Yeah, maybe rebirth is actually much more popular than e33... LOL

>>723506137
If just one anon said they wanted a 1:1 remake we could blow him the fuck out so bad but sadly it hasn't happened yet

>>723491206
This

>>723504041
it would be the game we got but without the time travelling meta commentary slop the game has

>>723492118
Looking around this appears to be the case

Where is this narrative that Rebirth fans and Ex33 fans have a feud going coming from

>>723506464
explain what "1:1" means

>>723497285
I dont think theres a worse fanbase than this one honestly

>>723506564
Rebirthfags are insecure losers who need to pick fights they can't win with every other videogame fanbase.

>>723506569
Why bother? Nobody itt is talking about 1:1 remakes other than you. You want to prove the people who want a 1:1 remake are retards, but they're not here. You're begging everyone to engage in an argument you're trying to have alone

>>723506564
its falseflagging atlusfags still coping metaphor is at the bottom

>>723506743
They have picked fights with every other game and lost every time. They refuse to learn and now spam e33 hate threads daily.

>>723506743
I literally love Rebirth and Ex33. And I’m not a snowflake. There’s a million people who love both games. Why are you guys literally making up shit

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
there is no seethe both parts have been received overwhelmingly well.
4chan is just the refuge of out of touch autismos that spam retarded shit.

>>723491590
>>723505256

>>723506779
>Nobody itt is talking about 1:1 remakes
1:1 remakes don't exist, by definition remakes can't be 1:1
>You want to prove the people who want a 1:1 remake are retards, but they're not here
yet here you are arguing about a term that's an oxymoron
>You're begging everyone to engage in an argument
Do you agree that "1:1 remake" is a non-sensical term and anyone using it doesn't understand the words they're using? If so then there's no reason for you argue further with me. If not then state your case.

>>723506994
>both parts have been received overwhelmingly well
That doesn't look like overwhelmingly positive reception

>>723507091
You want to have this discussion to prove anyone who wants a 1:1 remake is a retard, yes?
But nobody itt said they want a 1:1 remake. If they do, you can argue with them.

Please continue begging others to engage with your schizobabble.

>>723507091
Okay, then what DID these people want from the remake trilogy?

>remake of ff7 is one of the most demanded games of all time
>se fumble it so bad they get mogged by a turn based digimon game
You have to laugh

>>723507258
>You want to have this discussion to prove anyone who wants a 1:1 remake is a retard, yes?
Nope, I'm pointing out that anyone who claims that a 1:1 remake is a thing doesn't understand the words they're using and continuing to use that phrase as a talking point shows they're either retarded or disingenuous.
>Please continue begging others to engage with your schizobabble
you're the one replying to me

>>723507286
Take out the Evangelion Rebuild pseudo sequel timeline nonsense. Everything else is miniscule in comparison.

>>723507540
Cool well maybe someone will show up and say they wanted a 1:1 remake and you can have your fascinating debate with them

>>723507286
you'll have to ask them, I'm not a mind reader

>>723501543
They know they can't win any other way

>>723507631
in the meantime tell >>723492681 to stop bringing it up so they don't look retarded/disingenuous

>>723507286
I can only speak for myself but I wanted Final Fantasy 7 Remake to be a remake of Final Fantasy 7. Not a half sequel with commitment issues, marvel multiverse storytelling and a flat chested Tifa.

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
Because ff7 fans spent 15 years creating a game in their head and when the actual product didn’t match it (shocking!) they became upset

>>723508232
They were going to hate it no matter what. But there are plenty of real fans like you and me who will love it no matter what, so it balances out.

>>723508232
Elaborate

>>723490816
But I know fallout 4 is shit and have never had to play it because it's a bethesda game made after oblivion

>>723500895
There are far less complaints about the combat than the overall design, pacing, or production quality of the game, or the placement of non-combat gameplay

Every poster must explain themselves aside from the ones calling the OGFF7 shit. I have no issue with them.

>>723508315
Speak for yourself mongoloid, I am in no capacity a “fan” of this remake

>>723508503
Yeah I had fun with the combat, I have major issues with it too but it's a net positive overall. The problem is everything else aside from the music is so fucking awful. Can't even say the gameplay itself is good because you spend so much time doing gay shit like throwing boxes around.

I swear to god, full lenghty talk about omg i love this game and no argument to say why its good besides "its objective" or "durrr fans hate it because its not what they wanted"

There is a lot of stuff that shows the trilogy is a poorly thought mess and a giant clusterfuck.
The gameplay is bad, its pretty much a half assed mix of rpg and action and doesnt bring anything fun for long fights.

The story is a gigantic clusterfuck and its writters are clowns that contradicts themselves in their own messages

"Oh yeah we will make a game about modifying story and how getting stuck to nostalgia is bad" while making 80% of the game the same while promising to do the opposite

Its also funny how the staff has shown they have no balls, making avalanche bad terrorists noooo, it was shinra fault all along that caused a bigger explosion and you'll spend the whole game about them hearing saying "oh no i regret, im guilty" while we know from the start its horseshit

>>723495385
Because it would be less miserable to play than what we got

Aerith death boy it was so bad, not even showing her getting impaled then putting 4 boss rush in a row and Sephiroth coming, why? We dont know shit, oh look Zack here why? He served for no purpose besides fanservice and oh look even Aerith who died gets to fight with Cloud at the end, no impact for the loss.

If they at least made sure we wouldnt see her until the next game, i might have respected their balls but theyre so weak they couldnt even wait and made sure to put Aerith ghost at the last scene of Rebirth.

And Cloud hallucinates now, doesnt realize shes dead, so what, it doesnt change much for the series overall

That trilogy is the most bland while pompous stuff Nomura and his pals has realeased, no wonder FF got worse after Sakaguchi was gone, he was the one holding them from burning the house

>>723508845
Yeah but consider this: more time spent with the characters, including the girls!

>>723508653
Based. Remake is a turd.

Why did people want a 1:1 remaster of FFVII where the only thing that is updated is the graphics? Doesn’t just go for FFVII but whenever people who don’t / didn’t like Remake or Rebirth say SE “just had to make the original game with better graphics” I really don’t get it.

>>723490060 (OP)
yeah i liked it too. I'd give it a 8/10. There's a lot of filler content, but the gameplay is pretty good. I had a lot of fun on hard mode and i liked most of the minigames. I feel like this game is pretty inconsistent. Sometimes it's a 10/10 and other times it's a 4.

>>723509963
I don't need a remaster because you can already replace every asset in the game. If the game ever were to actually be remade, I would like if it did not feel like a parody of the original game made for the fans of its tertiary media

>>723509963
> Why did people want a 1:1 remaster of FFVII where the only thing that is updated is the graphics?
Because they have a low iq.

>>723509963
No such thing as a 1:1 remake, that would be a port

>>723509963
the possibility that those people exist is enough to invalidate every single criticism of remake and rebirth

>>723501423
whoever made this deliberately chose a part of the original world map where there's almost nothing.
Strawman meme.

>>723501543
>I think 7R fans would spontaneously combust if they had to go 15 minutes without a strawman argument
it goes both ways

>>723510465
I don't know if you're joking but I unironically think that way

>>723501543
Keep pretending that 7R critics are just innocent rational actors. Its a great meme. You’re doing well at pushing it.

>>723510425
mgs delta is a 1:1 remake

It feels like around ff9 is the time sqenix decided to let satan make decisions about their games

>>723510651
>7R critics are just innocent
no they are criminals and if I had it my way they would be locked up for saying bad things about an objectively great game

>>723510756
cool falseflag faggot

>>723501543
This whole thread has been eye opening in that regard

>>723510609
>but I unironically think
No you don't

>>723509963
Square Enix cant even do that, look they had to cut the game in 3 parts to produce them.

Back then you had 3 discs of the whole game for one game. Now you have to pay all the discs seperatly to get the full game

>>723510652
disagree

>>723510651
Lmao 7R fans are so blind they have the gall to call the game "objectively great" despite its obvious flaws

>>723492118
Prophetic post

>>723510991
why?

>>723490618
>This new thing is cool, now that Im finished I wonder what people think?
>What?

>>723510874
I do. There's no other reason to bring up the same point so many times if not for that. Why else would I keep saying it?

>>723511070
because I can immediately tell the difference between the shots of the same character, that isn't 1:1

>>723511190
now he knows 7r fans are scitzoids. lets count how many posts in this thread were actually about the game instead of a strawman seethepost about the games critics.

>>723509963
i wanted it too. until i played mgs delta. it's so faithful that i knew waste my money on buying the same thing when i already had the master collection

1 to 1 remakes are a waste of time and resources

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
Split the game into 3 parts
Game is filled with paddening to justify each part being "normal" game length
Butchered the original game's story
Made former playable characters in the original (Cid and Vincent) not playable when you get them
Brought Zack back to life
Ruined Aerith's death scene

>>723490816
I just kept thinking Fallout 4 had to get better, especially as it got worse and worse.

>>723501714
This and Dues Ex are the only 2 answers. Lots of hate but 65% like ER. Not sure if Dues is considered popular.
>>723500951
No

>>723511304
That's why it's a remake. It's the same game, with different graphics, perhaps made in a different engine or shot slightly differently. It's a 1:1 because it doesn't change the sequence of events, and playing it is like playing the original, but with modern controls.

>>723502076
Downgrade. I get it, I get why, I love rebirth. But shit like this is why the original is still better.

So glad you got your semantics debate in the end anon. And it's just as interesting as expected.

>>723511020
>obvious flaws
Aside for some open world busywork mechanics, what

>>723511846
You’re arguing with shadows and phantoms.

>>723511915
>Too much filler in the 2 games
>Lots of padding
>Story being a convuluted mess that lost all stakes or meaning
>Shit Ost

>>723511673
>it's a 1:1 because it doesn't change the sequence of events
But the graphics are altered so it's not 1:1 in that aspect. Either everything is the same and it's "1:1" or something has changed and now it's a remaster or remake.

>>723490656
i guess i just don't like remakes. Not even RE1. It's like there's always something that really bothers me about these games. They're not trying to emulate the vibes of the original games at all

>>723504779
>Wins multiple awards for best game
>Stock up 333 billion yen, 2.3 Bil since release
OK fag, I can be hyperbolic too.

>>723511984
Anon there's someone behind you and they said they wanted a 1:1 remake. Oh, damn, you just missed them. But they were there.

>>723511846
If FF7 Remake/Rebirth were good games people would be discussing them rather than arguing about semantics. Maybe next time pick a better topic?

>>723506943
This? I feel like this rivalry is some weird /vg/ autism.

>>723491093
Its happening again

>>723491760
Falseflag? Or are viir fans really like this

>>723511384
I like how you combined them and now explian it as no one had a fucking clue what you were trying to say with your original webm.

>>723512032
>shit ost
Whatever legitimacy you earned has been discarded

>FF7 thread
>people talk about FF7
>FF7R thread
>people talk about how mad they are that everyone isn't calling them flawless objectively good kino
The sales for part 3 are going to be catastrophic and I blame the fans almost as much as the retards at SE

>>723512071
ok, so if you want to be literal, in that case Remake and Rebirth are real remakes and everyone who complains that they aren't is wrong, is that right?

>>723512098
>stock was literally in free fall until colored cardboard

>>723512518
No criticism of the remakes are valid, but especially not criticism of the ost or combat or characters

why is sephiroth such a pathetic jobber?

>>723512529
>The sales for part 3 are going to be catastrophic
Good thing I just enjoy their games and don't work for Square Enix

>>723490060 (OP)
/v/ is full of miserable faggots

>>723512518
>>723512623
7R cant imagine their objectively great game with default

>>723512535
Those games require the events of the original to have happened to make sense so they are sequels

>>723491093
why i like ff7 remake, the story yes even the filler, the combat and the bosses
best ch 1, 7,8,9,15,16,18

why i like ff7 rebirth: the combat , bosses , characters. the story itself not so much
best ch ,12,13,14

>take ab all time classic that wasn't super long and needlessly stretch it out
>rabid fans say it's epic and amazing

>>723512617
No idea what your saying, but you are wrong? There is a big dip in Oct 2023 but otherwise its flat since 2020, Rebirth comes out up from the 2023 lowpoint than starts to explode after.

>>723512831
>you'd have bitched anyway!!
But the lotrs films are beloved
>YOU'D HAVE BITCHED ANYWAY!! and we got to spend more time with the characters and got more lore... do you hate the characters!?

>>723512075
Because they can't. The entire design process of video games is so far removed from how it was in the 90's you're never getting that style replicated. If you forcefully replicate it, it'll still feel soulless, look at the Delta reception. People need to appreciate what they have more, alas this fanbase couldn't help itself for begging, nor could Square for doing something weird it when giving in.

>>723490060 (OP)
>>723490261
Contextual.
While it may be a decent game on it's own, it has a lot of faux pas that older gamers have a low tolerance for:
Splitting a game up into three purchases (just make ONE game nigger)
Altering the story (time jannies)
Adding fluff for fluff's sake (retarded protracted side quests)
Obvious copy-paste unreal assets (and ugly unreal nigger faces)

If you are coming to the game blind meaning you haven't played the old game then you probably don't have the context for the hate. People were baited by a tech demo way back on the PS3 that was just "the same game with better graphics" and then led on for a decade only to have this big steamer of Nomura-tier slop plopped in their lap.
And for some people, like me yes, it was sort of lame to see how obviously soulless (opinion) this game seemed to be and it was completely propped up by braindead coomers and waifu niggers posting shit like AERITH! seventy times a day

It may be a decent game on it's own but there's so much baggage you have to deal with.
tl;dr oldfags wanted four niggas in a row

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
They didn't put in the Priscilla mini-game.

>>723512320
he's right tho

>>723491093
I think this gets to it though. How do I explian I enjoyed a 90 hour game? I played it, had fun, for 90 hours. The people who hate it arent wrong.
>modern gaming realism (see moogles), or bloat
I also never asked for shit like flippy bike guy, sephiroth getting 80% more screen time, jannies (time or otherwise), shit like alternate universes and being linked to ff5. (NO IDEA WHAT HES SAYING ABOUT FF5)
I just dont think Im autistic enough to let what I consider paltry details stop me from enjoying a 90 hour game. He also missed the awful end boss fight. Its not perfect, its flawed, its worse than FF7. Still 90 hours of fun, a rare high effort oasis in a world dominated by skinner boxes.

>>723491760
>complete the game twice as fast
yeah lmao once they release the third part
70$$

>>723512418
Speak english faggot.

>>723512681
Never know when to use bullets or bananas?

>>723494751
I hate roasties so much it's unreal.

She doesn't even have a cute tummy

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
it's mostly here, but it was well received. The haters here are very vocal about it. The shills too

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
Play the original game and you'll find out. Seeing how this game's plot near as I can tell doesn't make any fucking sense because it's an expanded, butchered, "re-imagining" pile of shit compared to the original game. It might also explain why anybody gives a shit about it in the first place.

>>723513614
>Reading comprehension of a 12yrold
This is why you are poor and women wont fuck you, kek.

>>723512968
January 2024 to June July of 2024 (when it was said rebirth underperformed). Massive spikes occurred to conside with thr massive amount of sales the mtg set had generated (200 million in one day is nothing to sneeze at)

>>723513680
Metacritic user reviews are botted hard. Impossible to take seriously.

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
It's a mix of things:

1. OG FFVII curmudgeons who hate the fact that FFVII Remake trilogy's story isn't a 1:1 retelling of the original game and is actually a sequel.
2. Obnoxious turntrannies who hate the fact that the game is an Action RPG instead of having turn based combat.
3. He who shall not be named still being asspained that Final Fantasy XV's director was fired from Square Enix, that Forspoken flopped, and that Luminous (the devs behind XV and Flopspoken) got shut down.

>>723502076
It's not the same enemy dumbass

>>723513869
I see it on the 5 year. Nikkei 225 dropped 18% Feb to April but had recovered with in 5% by June.
This is why I was saying I was being hyperbolic too. Im Bizrailie millionaire, I know the jumps more about the takeover than profits, though profits are up.
In the end everyone loves to use flop or hit, its normally imbetween. Game was definitely a shareholder disappointment, but not becuase of the autistic crudgey oldfags compliants but becuase it didnt appeal to zoom zooms.
With roblox at 80 mil players, gatcha and MMO printing billions, I dont know how you make a profitable hit thats a good game, unless you are named Hidetaka Miyazaki.

>>723513949
>Metacritic user reviews are botted hard
But that could be said about anything. Rebirth received several awards, both from critics and the users. Not that it matters, but it was definitely well received, that's the point.

>>723490060 (OP)
A friend claimed XVI was good and this was shit, played both and Rebirth is miles better than XVI.

>>723514126
>FFVII Remake trilogy's story isn't a 1:1 retelling of the original game and is actually a sequel.
It's not a sequel retard, it's the same sequence of events that will eventually lead to AC and DoC

>>723514126
You are why yhe E33 fag's are so sensitive. Turn-based is better, and rebirth is the first fun ARPG made in 30 years.

>>723514126
>rin image
Opinion discarded

>>723514734
Your buddy a FF14 fan? I did like 16s plot more, combat was awful though. Really wish 16 had Rebirths combat.

>>723514784
Part 1 directly states that Advent Children was prevented. Remake isn't trying to be the OG Final Fantasy 7.

>>723514784
>it's the same sequence of events that will eventually lead to AC and DoC
except now there are time jannies and alternate timelines/universes so in essence it's a completely useless narrative to go through

>>723515003
>prevents Advent Children from happening by having an even more retarded story with an even more ham-fisted Sephiroth fight
Oh good!

>>723515283
And Advent Children remake is necessary

>>723514734
Both are great, but Rebirth is indeed better. XVI is seriously lacking party-based combat.

>>723490060 (OP)
i don't care about this game but i enjoy seeing jrpig fags seething, so i'm here for it

I was absolutely EXHAUSTED playing rebirth.
I was like 95% done with all the shit in the game but when I saw the conditions to get the Genji Gloves I said fuck it and finished the game while playing the cutscenes at 1.5 speed.
Thank fucking god they let you fast forward

>>723490060 (OP)
>Why exactly does it create so much seethe?
turd based fags are mentally ill

>>723515974
the same thing happened when xenoblade 3 was released and i was here just watching you niggas fight. It's entertaining.

>>723490656
FFI didn't. FFII didn't. FFIII didn't. FFIV didn't. FFVII caused seething because it's a garbage fake remake.

>>723494817
The purpose of characters is to be agents who exist to serve the story, the moment one shows more appreciation of the characters over the overall package is the moment when whatever part of the brain that turns one into a fanfiction subhuman starts to take over.

>>723516185
Nothing has been more hated than the FF3 DS remake. Overly dramatic incorrect Opinion discarded.

>>723516417
But red 13 is actually gay.

>>723490816
kek

>>723503557
Theres people on social media like Twatter and plebbit who do spam the it shouldve been a 1:1 Remake and some anons here have too, I wouldnt have hated that though cause FF7 plays way better than MGS3 but Im glad we got non 1:1 Remakes cause they're better than OG 7

>>723490816
Fallout 4 has been reported to have sold 25 million copies. How many did Rebirth sell?

>>723516417
You’re being melodramatic

>>723516185
>pixel slop
>remake

>>723516948
you're not very smart

>>723516948
More than Astrobot but much less than Madden.

>>723516948
No accounting for taste. Their loss for not playing an RPG with a cool fucking combat system.

>>723517081
says the guy who can't answer my question

>>723517094
proof?

>>723516948
I bet you think FFXV is the greatest game in the series

>>723517276
Quick googles. If you find somthing official let me know. I am assuming madden still does 18 mil but no idea.

>>723517549
better than FF7 Remake/Rebirth at least

>>723516123
>xenoblade 3
oh yes, that mindbroke /v/. Caused almost as much seething as this game did, maybe more

>>723518014
Lolz

>>723517553
>If you find something official let me know
That's the point, there hasn't been anything official for Rebirth for the year and a half+ it's been around compared to Remake getting a 3.5 million shipped/sold announcement in a week and then S-E themselves saying Rebirth sales didn't meet expectations.

>>723516948
Sub 1 million

>>723518223
Find me Madden 2025, than E33, than BG3. Nobody is up to date? This is a weird comment that only someone bizarrely hyper fixated on Rebirth would make.

>>723518223
Hamaguchi said it's selling well. Looks like PC saved it :)
Also it sold more than tekken which got confirmed 3M in a month

>>723518516
This, I want to know how FFT is doing and theres nothing but physical sales in Japan.

>>723518516
I'm asking >>723517094 to prove their claims, if you're mad about numbers not existing then get mad at them for bringing them up

>>723510480
>where there's almost nothing
So 95% of the original's world map?

>>723510425
>No such thing as a 1:1 remake
That's a new gaslighting line I haven't heard. Usually you people say shit like "no one wanted a 1:1 remake, that would be boring".

>>723518527
>Hamaguchi said it's selling well
So vague claims and no specific numbers? Got it.

>>723519014
>Usually you people say shit like "no one wanted a 1:1 remake, that would be boring"
That's what people who defend Remake/Rebirth say

>>723511361
yeah, there's not really a point in 1:1 remakes. at the very least they should add something like improved controls or quality of life. for games like jrpgs, the fundamental gameplay can't be changed so there's truly no point in a ff7 remake when the original still holds up(especially on pc with mods).

>>723518527
>Literally just making stuff up
This is pathetic...

>>723519221
>making stuff up
everything I said is true tho

>>723518527
>it sold more than tekken
proof?

>>723490060 (OP)
Why does the opinion of a bunch of gacha players bother you? Don't you know that these "people" are degenerate subhumans?

>>723519474
Everyone deserves a chance

>>723519393
nta but all you have to do is google

>>723519550
>p3 demake below suicide squad
grim

>>723519550
Also sold more in JP than tekken. Overall Rebirth was prob at around 3.5mill in a month

>>723519638
this was before rebirth going to pc btw

>>723518791
Reread what you wrote. Who's claims, whos them, why would I get mad at anyone? You aren't making any fucking sence.

>>723490060 (OP)
we have actual schizos who love ff15 making anti posts. Even with the QTE game spam, and kind of weak story up until 80 percent of the way through, and some other flaws - the game is an easy 9/10. A good chunk of that rating is because of the final boss.

>>723519550
>Last Month Rank
>Madden NFL 2025 12th
>Madden NFL 2024 15th

>>723490060 (OP)
bait. kys

>>723519550
>Reporting Period: 12/30/2023 through 10/5/2024
now show us where Rebirth surpassed T8 and by how much

>>723519919
>EA College Football
>This Month 1st
>Last Month 1st
You missed the best part.

>>723519550
This list is embarrassing. Actually read it. Im sad Rebirth sold so well after seeing its company. Gaming is dead.

>>723520247
Square Enix has come out and said explicitly that Rebirth is a humiliating flop.

>>723520000
>NOOOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT IT NEEDS TO BE ON THIS SPECIFIC DATE
rebirth was released AFTER tekken 8 you retard, and it sold better than t8 despite that

>>723520365
square says that about literally everything.

>>723520454
No they don't.

>>723520000
Nice quads
Here you go:
https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/dragons-dogma-2-was-the-best-selling-game-of-march-2024-in-the-us-per-circana

Was ahead in march 2024 already

>>723519550
>U.S. sales

>>723501543
>anon's post is a strawman
>anon has zero self-awareness

>>723512529
>people talk about how mad they are that everyone isn't calling them flawless objectively good kino
No one is claiming it's flawless.

>>723515989
I'm still on the fence whether or not I'm going to do all the achievements because Rebirth was so long. It's so much longer than Remake.

>>723520516
It's true. Square Enix told me that you're a huge disappointment.

>>723514564
I agree with your statements kind of, the main reason why rebirth was a sales disappointment was due to not running with a direction. They pissed off crotchety oldfags, but they also alienated potential new blood by having a meta narrative with some kind of barrier to entry. Unlike anons here I think there will be a sales spike for part 3. With there being no exclusivity and a high chance that the other two games are packaged with it on top of it finishing the trilogy I think it will, unfortunately, do relatively well. Especially since the budget will most definitely be slashed

>>723519678
there's also that

>>723520516
they absolutely do. i dunno who projects their game sales but he's a retard. the tomb raider incident is very well known.

>>723490060 (OP)
>admit in the very first sentence that knowledge on the subject matter is basically zero
>still does the whole "wyell it's not a problem for ME" routine like you'd know anything
In any case, the issue is that the objectively better game that people were actually waiting for had to be sabotaged in favor of mediocre Nomuraslop that didn't even sell half as good as the better game anyway.

>>723520636
Tomb Raider is the only example of this behavior people bring up and that game was over a decade ago.

>>723520740
ff16 is another one. as are their ACTUAL low selling games like foamstars, diofield chronicles, valkyrie elysium, etc.

>>723520608
> Unlike anons here I think there will be a sales spike for part 3
Elaborate?

>>723520915
nta, but isn't part3 going to release multiplatform?
That should easily boost sales over previous entries

>>723520819
They called those games miserable flops because they flopped miserably. Know what they didn't call a flop? FF7 Remake. Seems like they were pretty proud of how that game preformed and it gave them expectations the sequel couldn't meet.

>>723490696
That and the food

>>723520975
The simultaneous pc launch won’t really be as big a deal as he thinks

>>723520608
>They pissed off crotchety oldfags, but they also alienated potential new blood by having a meta narrative with some kind of barrier to entry
I know a lot of people dislike this aspect of it but they made a game for all the fans that have been following Final Fantasy 7 and the side projects religiously over the years and I truly respect them for that. They made a game explicitly for the biggest fans that supported them, where there's references to defunct mobile games and some novels. It's the entire FF7 extended universe in a single game and it's very uncompromising They could have taken an easy win and made a game for normalfags, casuals, and shareholders but they made an autistic FF7fags wet dream game.

>>723520636
There is a logic behind it anon. It's possible that Tomb Raider had such an absurd budget that the opportunity cost in making it was not worth what was gained. Imagine if GTA VI came out and only sold 20 million copies at 100 dollars per copy. By most practical metrics this would be considered a huge success, but it would be a massive failure for Rockstar because of the absurd budget amd opportunity costs associated with the project. Square Enix games also have absurdly bloated budgets. A game that doesn't improve the brand and only sells 3 million copies at a budget of let's say, 120 million, would simply not be considered a success, even if the gross revenue at 70 dollars per copy is 210 million dollars

>>723491093
The other problem is that the people dismissing criticizers reduce their arguments in a false and disingenuous way. All the time, I see people giving the typical "YOU JUST WANT A ONE-TO-ONE REMAKE. JUST PLAY THE OG LOOL" in order to "win" their arguments. Most people who criticize the remake don't necessarily want an exact one-to-one remake, they just wanted the remake to be better than what it turned out to be. It's not that all of it is bad, it's just certain aspects were fucked. Better to have no Nojima/Nomura deranged, over embellished story-telling, less open world-bloat while retaining the integrity of poignant story moments (Dyne's and THAT party member's exit being prime examples). It's fine to have change, but the changes that were made are questionable in quality.

>>723520870
Still no sales number? Got it.

>>723520915
Multi platform will be big, the fact it is the final game in a trilogy for those waiting for the trilogy to finish out before bothering as well. If they package in the other two games as well for "value" it's a done deal

>>723521029
>It's the entire FF7 extended universe in a single game
Well in 3 games, but a single story. I phrased that poorly lmao.

>>723521029
Anon the fact it is split up into 3 games with a shit ton of Sephiroth shows it was a project launched by shareholder interest

>>723521114
>completely btfo
got it

>>723521019
I think it will with day 1 hype..
Rebirth managed to sell 1M+ on Steam with a year delay. And I say it as someone who is trying to be more pessimistic about my enjoyment of part3 (I fear they pussy out on changes too much)

Am i the only one who doesn’t care how part 3 sells and just wants it to be a good game

>>723490060 (OP)
I have a divisive opinion even though I don't intend it to be.
I honestly think the negativity around it mostly comes from Zoomers who are eternally pissed that the remake series wasn't a 1:1 remake of the original game.
I say this because Zoomers flat out won't play the original because the graphics look bad.
So that generation created a trend to basically shit on the remake series nonstop as "revenge" for not giving them that game they wanted.

But that's just how it goes. IMO Rebirth is one of the best FF games ever made and Part 3 is going to be so fucking good.
Rebirth is the best FF game since 10.

waiting for this because i never played the yuffie dlc

>>723521229
I'm not the guy who claimed Rebirth outsold Astrobot and has no numbers to back up the claim

>>723521176
There's no reason to have so much shit from Dirge, Crisis Core, and every other piece of FF media if they wanted to make shareholders and casuals that played FF7 years ago and never interacted with the other projects happy.

If it was a pure 1:1 remake in a single game, it'd probably have sold 3 times as much if not more. I do think those greedy fucks will use all the assets they have sitting around to make a 1:1 remake after the fact to get fanboys to quadruple dip though and pretend that they're listening to fans. It'd end up being a very low budget project once they have everything already made.

>>723521428
anon.. that's sales just of one month

>>723521542
Correct but Rebirth isn't even listed which means sales slowed down to the point that MvC Collection, a game that supposedly only hit the million sold mark last month, displaced it in that list.

>>723521323
Remakefags don't care about quality, only quantity. So yea you are the only one.

>>723521687
No im not the only one. That was hyperbole

>>723521428
There is no numbers there. Are you fucking retarded?
2.3~<3-5<18
It came to me in a dream... or a quick Google search.

>>723521635
Yea almost all sales slow down after release, that's a retarded argument

>>723513745
You people really need to get new material.

>>723521804
>There is no numbers there
That's the point. Where is that guy getting the numbers that say Rebirth has more copies sold than Astrobot right now?

>>723521885
see >>723521943

>>723521362
You're genuinely a retard for believing that. The negativity is literally because fans of the original game asked for a remake (one) and got 3 massively bloated fragmented ones that fuck up the original's story.

>>723522121
Nobody is reading all of that shit

>>723490060 (OP)
It's ugly. I don't like the semi-realistic art style. FF should stick to a stylized look like Kingdom Hearts, preferably keeping it close to the original Nomura art.

>>723490930
>a lot of old time fans
In all reality its just 3 schizo posters in the thread every time. I was 12 years old when this game came out and vividly remember Xmas getting a playstation and this game after renting the console and the game at a video store over the summer. The game at the time also had a promotional t-shirt that came along with it. Shit was cash. The original was great and still is to this day and the remakes are a damn fine upgrade to the original without invalidating the original itself. those 3 schizos just hate other people enjoying this game because it wasn't a 1:1 slop remake like FFT is.

>>723518527
>sold more than tekken which got confirmed 3M in a month
Wrong, it took T8 a year to get 3 million

>>723491093
>Need to explain why something is good
>explains why its good
>"Nuh uh it sucks"
I mean basically criticisms have to come first for anyone to actually defend the game. People just say it sucks without expounding on it.

>>723521428
kek can you read the chart you posted?
>period: 11/03/2024 through 11/30/2024

>Playing FFVII Remake
>Just get to Aerith
>tfw having fun with the abilities and double casting
Wow, this character rocks. Can't wait to see what kind of endgame abilities she gets.

>>723521475
Have you ever heard of a marketing strategy called crosspromotion? Now what spin off got a recent rerelease... hmm....

>>723522708
see >>723521943

>>723522189
Shorter than what you wrote, faggot.

>>723518527
>Hamaguchi said it's selling well.
Oh ok. So where are the sales numbers?

>>723522775
she's much more fun to play in rebirth desu

>>723522872
i'm not that anon, i was replying to your retarded ass for asking for evidence that Rebirth outsold Tekken 8. But good to know that you're moving goalposts like a coward

The weird thing is that VIIR games are incredibly casual button mashers with more pre-determined gameplay than the early bits of FFX that that one schizo always brings up so there's really no explanation for people claiming the games have deep combat, yet the people who do seem to care about it also either handwave or vehemently defend every decision made with every other angle of the game.

>>723490060 (OP)
that is my wife aeriths game

>>723523146
>i'm not that anon
doesn't matter, the point is the context of the argument that you stuck your nose into without knowing
>i was replying to your retarded ass for asking for evidence that Rebirth outsold Tekken 8
I wouldn't be asking for it if someone didn't make a claim without backing it up

>>723523326
>i'll ignore all the evidence on this thread
i accept your concession

>>723523574
The evidence which only applied to US sales of a game that sells the best in Europe and a claim of 3 million sold in one month when it was actually 1 year? That evidence is completely circumstantial at best and outright disingenuous at worst.

>>723490060 (OP)
I skipped this but did play the first part. The combat was fantastic, the voice acting wasn’t half bad and the game looked very nice, but there was a lot of unnecessary backtracking and what felt like busywork placed before me purely to artificially extend the time I spent playing the game.
I also didn’t really find the way it chose to deviate from the original game’s story to be at all interesting, unfortunately.

I’d call Remake a genuine 5/10 in retrospect. Perfectly average. There was enough fun and novelty within to get me to beat it once, and I did all of the side quests, but I doubt I’ll ever replay it and didn’t enjoy it enough to pay over $120 to play the remaining two thirds of it. I will reiterate that I thought the combat was great, however.

>>723523787
>The evidence which only applied to US sales
and asia, see >>723520870

>>723521475
>If it were a pure 1:1 remake in a single game
Yeah because FFT is selling SO WELL.

>>723524687
And exactly how many sales was that? What were the other two games that won the award? You're basically trying to answer my question with increasing levels of vagueness rather than straight numbers.

>>723524861
It's doing ok. Especially since the budget wasn't very high

>>723524887
>moves goalpost again
i accept your concession once more
>What were the other two games that won the award?
Elden ring and dragon's dogma
>And exactly how many sales was that?
no sales numbers, however unless you can prove that all these charts are fake/made up, then you have to accept that it (rebirth) sold more than kekken 8
>nooo b-b-b-but the currency has to be in pesos and in europe
you're pathetic. It sold more than tekken in the us and asia, being a console exclusive at that time

>>723524887
well they didnt release it on PC or Xbox for 18 months, once it did all of a sudden the reviews got better and the sales tripled and even here on little old /v/ the game got more popular

>>723525306
>moves goalpost again
I literally addressed your "evidence" because it does nothing to highlight how many sales Rebirth has made, just that it's "more than Tekken 8 had in 2024"
>no sales numbers
>you have to accept that it (rebirth) sold more than kekken 8
Tekken has been reported to have sold 3 million copies. Where's Rebirth's sales milestone at right now?

>>723525351
People waited 6 years for Silksong and it's at 4.2 million sold. If they refused to wait for Rebirth to become available on their preferred platform then they likely weren't very interested in it to begin with.

>>723525618
>throwing a fit
disingenuous retard

>>723525140
Selling 30k copies is "doing okay"?

>>723526010
>can't refute anything
seems like you're the one throwing a fit here

>>723490060 (OP)
play the original dumbass

>>723526012
>30k copies
are you retarded?

>>723525618
>Tekken has been reported to have sold 3 million copies. Where's Rebirth's sales milestone at right now?
Rebirth continues to sell better than Tekken 8, although Reborth is more expensive, so sales are obviously much higher than 3 million copies.

Sales figures are probably at five or six million by now, if I had to guess.

>>723523039
Keep crying bitch boy

>>723526371
>Rebirth continues to sell better than Tekken 8
based on what data?
>Sales figures are probably at five or six million by now
>if I had to guess
Thanks for vindicating me. Reminds me of the time when someone thought Remake had to have been at 10 million sold at the time but then a year later turns out it was only at 7.5 million

>>723524861
>Yeah because a pixelshit most of the fanbase don't give a shit about is selling SO WELL.
Your point?

>>723526582
>Implying people haven't wanted a proper FFT sequel for 20 years
No one wanted a remaster of FFT that was 1:1 and no one wants a Final Fantasy remake that's 1:1. Face it.

>>723526512
Remake was at 7 million sold copies two years ago and it will certainly surpass the 10 million mark after the Switch 2 and PS5 Twin Pack drop.

>based on what data?
Amazon.

>>723490060 (OP)
>Its great
That's all that matters, personally, I really enjoyed the first part of FF7R and while I haven't played Rebirth yet, I think I'll enjoy it just as much.

>>723526012
It's OK anon I'm sure the brain tumor will make the rest of your days painless at least.

>>723526512
>based on what data?
apparently you do not care about data

>>723526875
is this real or was it photoshoped?

>>723526760
>no one wants a Final Fantasy remake that's 1:1
Ah, there it is. The common gaslighting line.

>>723526448
If you don't want people calling out your divisive (retarded) opinions, don't share them. It's not hard.

>>723525834
not an argument, FF7 sold for like 70k a unit

>>723526875
>Remake was at 7 million sold copies two years ago
It was supposed to be at 10 million years ago though. Just keep moving the goalposts, huh? 2030 for sure this time!
>Amazon
I think I'll stick with Steam since I don't have to assume what the actual numbers are

>>723527068
I care about data that has numbers, not claims that that a game sold more copies than another a year ago

>>723527369
I don't even know what your argument is, a unit of what?

>hear rebirth is good
>decided to buy on steam
>opening is some stupid unrelated on sequitur where you play as Zack
Refunded. I think I'm good