Thread 723492589

>FUCK YOU! YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>SHITS AND PISSES HERSELF
What the fuck was wrong with her and Weavers in general?

>>723492589 (OP)
spoiled brats in desperate need of violent correction (genocide)

>>723492589 (OP)
WyrmChads stay winning.

>>723492589 (OP)
A mind to think is surely a dangerous thing. OoOOOh, I get it now. It's like a reversed hollow knight. Bravo, kojimbo

>>723492674
But Herra wasn't as bad as the others. Plus, Widow was a victim and was on GMS's side. She was mutilated by (presumably) the Citadel.

>wanderer
>hits twice as fast
>has crit chance
>supposed to have shorter range in exchange
>is actually longer than hunter
defend this

>>723492589 (OP)
Reminder that everything bad in pharloom was caused directly by the weavers. It's not Grandmother Silk's fault they were schizoid's, she just wanted daughters, adopted or not.

>>723494827
It's kinda her fault for picking one of the worst possible options to adopt and turn into demigods.

>>723495449
What do you mean? Look how adorable they are.

>>723496008
If only they didn't viciously lash out anything within their sight.

>>723496096
Small issue, it will work itself out with enough domestication.

>>723496159
Well, clearly it didn't work out that well considering they turned on her the moment they realized she's not their real mom.

>>723496318
I'd say it did, they went from mindless flailing and lashing to complex betrayal.

>>723493920
I really don't know wtf they were thinking with crests in this game

>>723497387
Balance clearly wasn't one of the factors but I don't even think they really need to be balanced. I think it's okay for some crests to be better than others. Hunter to me is still by far the most fun.

I feel like witch has a smaller hitbox than reaper, am I going crazy? I get hit way less often with it while making the same mistakes.

>>723493920
>wanderer w/ longclaw
>hunter w/o longclaw
why are you lying anon?

>>723494827
>Reminder that everything bad in pharloom was caused directly by the weavers
Depends. Who created the whole pilgrim thing to have an unlimited flow of silk dependent slaves?

>>723498261
It's not, I swear. Go see for yourself if you don't believe me.

>>723498693
They aren't silk-dependent. It's either the Weavers or the Conductors that started experimenting with silk to extend the lifespan of bugs.

>>723498978
Yeah, is not like we know for a fact that pale beings love to be worshiped, it was the conductors who wanted those bugs to be inmortal because... Uhhhhhh. ..

>>723499571
It's not about immortality, they were extending their lifespan to use as labour. This is explicitly stated. And once silk could no longer extend their lives they would be tossed out like garbage.

>>723496008
the pitbulls of bugworld
pitbugs

>>723501779
Nah, that would be these fuckers. The pharlids are bad but not AS bad as these.

>>723494827
GMS vs. Weavers is like Law vs. Chaos in SMT, both sides were colossal assholes and the entire system needed to be brought down by a neutral third party.

>>723501925
Aw, he's smiling

>>723501952
>helps a kingdom flourish
>just wants daughters and to be appreciated
>total asshole
Anon play the game.

>>723502173
>>helps a kingdom flourish
She did nothing of the sort, and mindjacked everyone once she woke up enough to start controlling the silk again. She wanted control and authority, she wasn't even like Pale King who still allowed his subjects free will even if he wanted to be their king.

>>723502319
>[headcanon]

>>723502319
We never really saw any of GMS's reign, only Pharloom after who knows how many generations of weaver rule.

>>723502606
>things that are literally explicitly shown to the player are "headcanon"
I know you like her fat ass too but that's no excuse

>>723502768
We don't know any details. The haunting could very well be a subconscious thing. If it was deliberate, it wouldn't have taken hundreds of years for Pharloom to fall to ruin because of it and we do know that the haunting started after GMS was sealed. And we know that GMS subconsciously used her silk because that's how Lace and Phantom were born. Also, if the haunting was a deliberate action on GMS's part then Widow wouldn't have been able to affect it. You are making negative assumptions based on nothing because you just don't like the character and you're trying to project your bias on me.

>glowing white thing
>creates life that resembles her
??

>>723503426
The jellyfish being Monomon's creations is just a theory.

>>723498261
With longclaw the difference is even more noticeable. Wanderer is slightly longer and much faster, but the hitbox is much thinner than Hunter and you have harder time hitting something above you. Hunter's hitbox is more of an arc, Wanderer's is almost a line. But it's not shorter.

>>723499796
we know she conquered lesser higher beings and their kingdoms, like those four whose dreams you can enter, but there's zero proof she actually did anything evil beyond that

the weavers roofied her with their silk song then employed vaultkeepers to teach the silk song to pilgrims and lie about it being holy and granting wishes so they could continue the ancestral art, conductors to perform the life extending/lumafly surgeries and rule over the pilgrims, then tried to create life with the architects by implanting soul imparted silk from the surgeries
even the bugs on the surface talked about the weavers calling them while not mentioning it was actually GMS

it's very possible she has been roofied since almost the very start of the kingdom and that almost everything in pharloom was the weavers' doing??

the only proof we have that she had some kind of power before being imprisoned is the fact she imprisoned the First Sinner while awake

>>723499796
once they could no longer extend their lifespan with silk, the silk infused with their souls would be extracted and they'd either be turned into Lumaflies or trapped inside cogworks as soul batteries

>>723504341
I haven't even got to First Sinner so maybe a dumb question
What if her "Sin" was just revealing/learning the origins of the Weavers, and the Weavers imprisoned her for it? Original sin and all.

>>723505774
Considering their whole religion is based off of them being seen as gods, that's very likely.

>>723505774
>>723505962
If she was imprisoned by the Weavers then she would be in some high tech Weaver prison or she would be sealed similar to how the Weavers sealed GMS but she was sealed similar to how the Hollow Knight was sealed within the Temple of the Black Egg which implies the work of a higher being so she was most likely sealed by GMS.
As to what her sin was, clearly the first to turn against GMS. It's also reasonable to assume that she was the first to learn.

>>723505774
good point, i just assumed it was mommy
>>723506874
her sin was 'apostasy' ie abandoning your faith
she is implied to be the first ascended by mommy, was the first one that learned how to create runes like mommy, and was also the first one to discover the weavers were mere beasts

her prison doesn't necessarily need to look like the weavenests, the weavers could easily have employed the citadel army to imprison her

So why did gms want hornet anyway? And all the other weaver spawns

Was the implication of the First Sinner memory that ALL weavers were made from Pharlids? Or was it just Sinner who was brought up from a Pharlid, hence her fucked up head?

>>723497695
i just don't like that some crests arent that unique, specifically wanderer and reaper. the rest are actually quite different

>>723508259
They feel pretty unique to me. Of course they aren't drastically different to the point it feels like you're playing a different game but they are different enough that your playstyle should change with each one.

>>723508036
its not her head tho, its a mask, really ugly one

>>723508036
Considering that both Widow and the First Sinner are pharlids, all the Weaver effigies are in the shape of pharlid-based Weavers and no other type of Weaver is even implied to have existed, the implication is that they were all made from pharlids but then you have Herra and the other Hallownest Weavers also look slightly different from the Weavers in Pharloom.

>>723501925
>heroic muckroach swims 5 miles in bug water to bite a child

Have any of you got to this room before the guy you can hear here disappears? Or does he just not have a model in the first place?

>>723508007
Silk sow for Lace

>>723509885
It's kinda her head. The game makes it clear some bugs just have a "mask" naturally, as part of their shell. It's not something easily removed or opened, as the journal entry with Widow states.

So plasmium overdose will no longer drop when using fas travel in the beta patch. Thoughts? I might actually use it more now. Before I thought it wasn't worth it for how easy it dropped at bench/travel.

>>723507597
>her sin was 'apostasy' ie abandoning your faith
Interestingly, despite the apostate key being needed to access the area where First Sinner's cell is, the actual final door to First Sinner's cell requires the Heretic Key. Guilty of both, it would seem (in reality they probably just wanted to ensure people who hadn't done the jailbreak sequence actually explore the Slab first)

>>723501925
>walk backwards
>punish
>repeat
wow that was so hard

>>723499796
>This is explicitly stated.
Is it? It seems more like the agelessness/vitality granted by silk was used to keep the caste system functional, where the caste system existed (really, all of Pharloom's society existed) to perpetuate the song that kept GMS asleep.

>>723514587
First Sinner's sin is Apostasy because that's what's printed on her cell.
>Penitent, First of the First.
>Guilty of the sin of apostasy.
>Penance by constriction.
>Absolution denied.

So is Hornet technically a product of beastiality? Since her mom is a lesser bug.

>>723512987
There was a cut NPC in the upper part that would ask you to bring pilgrim organs to study the haunting, before becoming haunted himself and attacking you. They decided to just go with a mini-gauntlet for the locket instead, since the wish would be redundant with the pilgrim cloaks wish from Bone Bottom.

>>723515428
Sure, miscegenation is bestiality.

>>723498261
It's factual
Hunter top, Wanderer bottom
Hunter just has a wider slash with a longer active hurtbox

>>723515808
Hornet's ass...

>>723515808
Any tests with hitbox viewer mod?

>>723515859
t. Kratt

I haven't replayed Hollow Knight after my first play-through, so my lore-fu is weak.
Was the Knight an untrained scrub?
He was out in the wastelands, enters Hollownest, proceeds to beat everyone black and blue (including his fully trained super-brother), but the fucker never had a Nail/needle lesson in his life.

>>723517873
the Knight canonically gets carried by being an extremely durable Void zombie that can regenerate its shell by absorbing soul, and has access to overpowered shit like the Pure Nail and soul/void magic - void magic as a combat tool is several magnitudes more overpowered than anything else in the setting
however if you're asking how come the Knight knows how to swing its nail and fight at the start of the game? dunno

>>723502606
Anon, you literally fight legions of her silk zombie slaves the entire fucking game. There's even a scene where she spergs out and sics a few on Hornet after being personally insulted by her.

>>723518016
I mean, his brother pretty much has all that + training, no?
I doubt the Hollow Knight had worse gear than the Knight.

>>723518589
the HK was raised and trained and empowered in the White Palace by the king and his knights, so it makes sense.
dunno where the player Knight learned to swing a nail though, it was discarded as a failed vessel and to our knowledge no one provided any training

>>723517873
>but the fucker never had a Nail/needle lesson in his life
He just absent-mindedly swings left and right. He knows no actual technique until he meets a nailmaster.

>>723518886
Isn't that kinda embarassing for everyone he beats?
False Knight? Sure.
But Hornet? Hollow Knight? Dung Defender? Hive Knight? Mantis Lords? Great warriors trounced by a boy swinging left and right.

I've never beaten Godmaster, what the fuck just happened?

>>723519348
You didn't need to beat Godhome to see the knight do this.
Didn't you beat the Radiance after getting the Void Heart?

>>723519742
Yeah, but why is he in the void lake shit? Doesn't the true ending in the base game ends with the cracked knight mask lying on the floor? Unless I'm misremembering.

>>723519348
Knight solos Radiance in Godmaster DLC and ascends to become the god of the Void. He just pops up here randomly to save Hornet. No reason given for why he didn't intervene earlier and just solve act 3 off screen.

>>723519916
And he's not wearing his mask.

>>723519916
Do you see a mask there? All I see is Void Given Form

>>723519932
> No reason given for why he didn't intervene earlier and just solve act 3 off screen.
Could be travel time.
>>723520037
Come to think of it, there are mask makers, masks aren't part of bugs at birth, right? Did White Lady and Pale King just toss down a dumpster filled with masks when they put their kids in the pit?

>>723519932
Ok, gotcha. I thought I was missing some context. He just shows up then.

>>723520037
>>723520079
breh

>>723519110
>a boy
An empty vessel of pure void, devoid of fear, pain, and compassion, no mind to think, no will to break, just destruction flowing along the channel available to it like water flowing along a river.

The little shadow isn’t a boy, he’s a fucking poltergeist.

>>723517873
The Knight's raw stats are just higher than anyone else's. He doesn't use fancy techniques, he just beats you down. Think Saitama.
His fully trained "super-brother" is also a walking corpse when he fights him outside of Godhome but once the Knight becomes the lord of shades he far surpassed his brother, in fact, Knight as the lord of shades is pretty much the most powerful entity we know of.

>>723520209
>An empty vessel of pure void
Is he?
Isn't he 50% void, 50% root, 50% wyrm, 100% badass?

>>723519932
Why would he? He doesn’t have any attachment to Pharloom. He’s just doing what void does. Why should he care if it devours a pale being and dooms a kingdom? He only intervenes because he remembers Hornet and doesn’t want her to come to direct harm.

>>723520209
50% chance someones crashes out and derails the thread over this

>>723520327
The vessels are 50% root and 50% wyrm, that’s what allows the void to not just be a writhing mass off pissed of tentacles and actually act with agency in the world. Their pale blood is what enables the void to be coherent and stable. But it’s still void; it’s still the “will” of pure mindless destructive energy without fear or shame or mercy.

>>723519932
>>723520148
It's the flower anon!!!
>why won't he come earlier?
because she wasn't inside the abyss. REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>723492589 (OP)
Snail Rambo convinced them that GMS was bad by showing them what happened to Coral Tower and Bilewater and they decided to start the uprising. Our Snail friend ended up getting killed by the Stilkin of Bilewater despite trying to recruit them to fight GMS.

>>723520479
>>723520327
Or think of it this way: an atomic bomb has to be built out of lead and graphite to contain the uranium within. But those materials don’t give it power. The uranium is what’s destructive. The lead and graphite just make it usable and allow it to be concentrated. They enhance its destructive capability and allow it to be wielded for a purpose, rather than just melting everything around it into a coughing skinless husk. But at bottom, they are merely a specialized container for the true power source.

>>723519348
>>723519916
Silksong's ending hints at both Dream No More and Godmaster without leaning too much into either. Regardless of which ending it is the Knight now seems to remain dormant in the Abyss as an entity that can exert its own will and desires, even if it goes against the hivemind of the Void.

The Knight's cracked shell doesn't mean much. The dark ghosts are the true forms of the vessels.

>>723520209
>An empty vessel of pure void, devoid of fear, pain, and compassion, no mind to think, no will to break
We've known this isn't true for a long time (webm related proves it once you understand what Nosk is), and Silksong's ending pretty much confirmed it can't be true because the Knight goes directly against the entire Void in order to protect Hornet. The Knight thinks and has a will.

>>723519110
It's easier to do something if you're unaware of the limitations

>>723506874
I don't think the timelines even matchup well enough for it to be the case. The Weavers were busy fighting the Rebellion and had their Weavenests set up with some of them telling the Weavers to skedaddle out to other kingdoms (like Hallownest). They didn't all just decide to fuck off long after the Rebellion, it seems a good chunk of them left during it, and the remaining ones either couldn't find First Sinner, couldn't break her out of her jail, or just didn't give a shit because she was an asshole or something.

The Weavers punished Widow by breaking her mask and sealing her silk with pins. If they punished First Sinner, why would they lock her in gay baby jail for eternity?

>>723519932
>No reason given for why he didn't intervene earlier and just solve act 3 off screen.
wasn't his business. he's just part of the void now, what reason would he have to care about what goes on above? it only got personal when he felt hornet dying in there

>>723508007
She wanted Hornet to break her out of jail and then to possess Hornet. The Conductors are the ones who had Hornet kidnapped from Hallownest because they needed her silk.

>>723515808
given how shit some of the hitboxes are in this game I find it unlikely that the hitbox will properly line up with the visual slash.

>>723520937
I’m not at all sold on the “actually it was the Conductors kidnapping Weavers” interpretation but I will say I find it mildly interesting.

>>723519932
>No reason given for why he didn't intervene earlier and just solve act 3 off screen.
Because it's not in his interest to intervene. The Void was in the process of consuming another Higher Being. Why would he stop that from happening? Why would the Knight care about Pharloom? He's a Void creature. It's like being a monkey and seeing your monkey tribe collecting a lot of free banana.

He only intervened once Hornet went down in the Abyss and the flower could no longer protect her.

>>723517873
>Was the Knight an untrained scrub?
He beats trained martial artists like the Mantis Lords and Hornet within a couple of hours of entering Hallownest. He's also the son of the Pale King, and you meet other such siblings that seem to have adequate training themselves. Hornet, the sibling Hornet killed that you get the Dash from, Lost Kin, etc.

I think the Siblings are born with innate skill with weapons. See also: Hollow Knight

>>723492589 (OP)
>Everyone complains about how platforming is hard
>Everyone complains how Beast Crest is shit cause it makes platforming harder
>Decided to get mod that allowed you to play the game started out with a diffrent crest for my second playthrough since first time playing I got so used to Hunter I autistically refused to get gud with any other crest
>Chose the Beast Crest cause it's the most diffrent and why not
>Did all of Act 1 Hunter March no sweat
Some complaint like runbacks I understand even if they personally don't frustrate me that much.
But I don't get what about the platforming just jukes people. Like, is it really that hard to understand Hornet needs to be a bit more to the side to accound the dive kicks?

>>723519932
>No reason given for why he didn't intervene earlier and just solve act 3 off screen.
GMS was busy dying in the Void anyways, he didn't care if she took down a kingdom with her. It's only when he felt his sister in the void that he rushed the long distance from Hallownest to Pharloom to go and save her.

I don't think he is trapped in the Void or anything. He clearly lifts Hornet and Lace out of the Void in the ending and places them gently on the ground, so he can clearly leave the realm to some extent. He probably just doesn't care. His task is complete, he killed the Radiance and he's got nothing left to do.

>>723519932
Because he doesn't give a shit about Pharloom?
He intervened because he cares about Hornet, his sister.

>>723520879
God, how are you people so bad at understanding the lore?
The Weavers ruled for an unspecified amount of time after they sealed GMS but then they gave up their rule (probably because they saw signs of the haunting) and the Conductors took over who then ruled for an unspecified amount of time too. Pharloom has a long history and GMS's rule is only a small part of it.
Also, Widow was most likely mutilated by the Citadel under the Conductor's control.

>>723520937
Are the conductors even strong enough, or have agency enough to do that? By the time Hornet comes in, the whole kingdom seems in shambles.

>>723521026
I think it makes the most sense.
>GMS can produce silk on her own so she wouldn't need a half-weaver she's never met before
>Conductors have access to The Cradle too
>Granny Silk is still in her cocoon before Hornet shows up
>Those afflicted with the Haunting aren't capable of speaking or higher thought, which is why she couldn't break herself out early
>Conductors need silk to keep Pharloom running, but they can't have Silk produce more silk because she'd kill them, so thus they'd need to kidnap other Weavers
>The only ones who have access to The Cradle are those who know the Threefold Melody, of which 1/3rd is only remembered by the Conductors

The thing that seals it for me is that even if Silk sent out the Reeds and Choir members to Hallownest, they would've stopped being affected by The Haunting and would have no reason to fight Hornet to the death to kidnap her.

>>723521014
there are no shit hitboxes, you're just incredibly garbage

>wont help bail you out of jail if you get captured, even if you help him
>jews the fuck out of you by selling things at high prices
>robs the other dead shopkeepers corpses
>never punished for anything in the game
It should have been him to die and not Garmond, bros...

>>723521240
I wonder what state is hallownest in, now that the radiance is gone.

>>723521403
>God, how are you people so bad at understanding the lore?
He said, ironically

Widow was punished by other Weavers for her transgression. She sided with Silk and was punished by the victorious Weavers. But the Weavers knew the seal on Silk was imperfect and sold the Crown to the Conductors and fucked off rather quickly.

did the flower kill them?

>>723521648
I hope so.

>>723521648
I would love an explanation about their fate in the dlc.

>done everything except bestiary and crawfather
>only bestiary entries left are the craw juror variants and crawfather
>can't get the summons no matter how many benches i rest at or reload
Did they break this in the patch or what?

>>723521473
There's also the simple fact that the Weavers wanted someone to come kick GMS's ass and set up all the bind monuments to aid a descendent in acquiring the skill necessary to do so, and then left the Citadel in the hands of the lower bugs like the Conductors presumably to continue that pursuit. Conductors are trying to bring Weaver descendants to see if one of them is strong enough to finish the job, and finally find one.

>>723521473
>The thing that seals it for me is that even if Silk sent out the Reeds and Choir members to Hallownest, they would've stopped being affected by The Haunting and would have no reason to fight Hornet to the death to kidnap her.
They’re loyal to the faith of the song. What the Citadel commands, they obey. That much is made SUPER explicit. Silk’s control doesn’t need to reach far for her influence to reach far.

Consider: if Silk’s haunted puppets aren’t capable of (through some chain of inception, at least) rational and complex planning, how the fuck did they make Lace and Phantom? They aren’t born of magic, we see the fucking vat Phantom was incubated in. And if Silk WASN’T their creator… why the fuck were the Conductors making sentient silk daughters for GMS of their own volition? Ostensibly they needed the silk for themselves.

>>723521490
there are. they even patched a few of them.
there are gigantic hitboxes on stunned bosses that seem to be bigger than the visualization.
it's a pretty shit game.

>>723521783
try quitting out and coming back in. i got the crawsummon when I got into the game.

why did herrah look so different from other weavers? she didn't have their giant ass head masks and her body was different

>>723521553
Recovering, but still damaged. Dirtmouth is growing steadily by the end of the game. White Lady, Unn, Hollow Knight, Bardoon, The Knight, and especially Hornet are still around to help it rebuild. City of Tears is practically free real estate. The Mantises, Weavers, and Bees are still hanging on in their corners.

I'd imagine Hornet, or one of her Siblings, would end up becoming the new Pale Monarch of Hallownest and start rebuilding it. Maybe not be as hands-on of a ruler as the Pale King, but certainly at least keep the land safe.

>>723521790
Why would the cage suppress their silk if that was the case?

>>723521963
Can't bring them to Pharloom if they can kill you from inside of a normal cage. Look at what Hornet does immediately after Lace frees her.

>>723521783
It's possible they delivered it to a bench you already rested at, and you sprinted off too quickly to notice. There's only 10 benches that it can spawn at.
- Bellhart center
- Bilewater tram
- Far Fields tram and near Karmelita
- Wisp Thicket
- Sinners Road regular and Styx
- Shellwood all except the tram

>>723522016
lace didn't free her

>>723522016
>Look at what Hornet does immediately after Lace frees her.
Assuming Lace is the one that does free her (the only evidence for that is the butterflies but they're controlled by anyone with music) then that's evidence in favour of GMS ordering the descendants captured, because Lace is acting against GMS' will.

>>723521851
Lace and Phantom are independent beings who are made of Silk, and they aren't truly connected to their mother like everyone who is Haunted is. That's why Lace is able to rebel against Silk and cut her arm off.
>They’re loyal to the faith of the song.
And who started the Chorus? That's right, the Conductors. The Chorus is supposed to keep Granny Silk asleep so it needs to be sung 24/7 to stop her from breaking out. The reason the Haunting happens is the Chorus stops and Silk gets some of her powers back.

>>723521923
the bee kingdom is implied to be dead and gone in Silksong, isn't it?

>>723522051
Play the game again. When you meet Lace in Deep Docks, she's playing with the same butterflies that free Hornet. You don't see anyone else manipulating them, and they aren't just floating around in the environment, especially not in Blasted Steps.

>>723521889
I've done this around 15 times so far

>>723522026
Will check these, thanks

>>723522136
The Hive mostly collapsed in the original Hollow Knight. You kill Hive Knight and Vespa's ghost thanks you for finally putting him out of his misery, but there are other bees still populating The Hive. There are more baby bees, too, so it's clear that bees are still being born.

>>723522026
Ok I got it from Far Fields tram
I wonder, is it seeded per file based on some variable or is it truly random?

>>723522212
the mist, retard-kun

>>723522089
The butterflies are former souls spun entirely into living silk. They’re the final step of the unravelled-esque monstrosities that are more silk than bug. They’re commanded via silk controlling magic, not music. Hornet doesn’t control them with a bitchin solo, she controls them because the needolin allows her to access the mind of living beings. Flying towards an exit in the mist is their version of “inner monologue appears on screen”. This is confirmed in a secret area in whiteward (IIRC). Every cogwork entity, every lamp, every minor “powered” thing in the citadel is using the souls of sacrificed bugs as basically a 9V battery.

Lace can control them at will, she demonstrates it often. Perhaps the Conductors can to some extent as well. In some ways, music is the “language of silk”, if it can subdue GMS it can probably control butterflies too. But the ability to command/control silk is what ultimately matters.

>>723522316
It's random. Chance starts at 20% and increases up to 50% based on how much you've progressed in act 3. It's rolled every time you bench, and you need to leave the room before you can try again. It's possible to get it before you go into the Abyss the first time.

>>723512987
Don't talk about that room

>>723522448
Ok, thanks. It was weird because I got it almost instantly every time on previous playthroughs. Law of averages, I suppose.

>>723522127
>Lace and Phantom are independent beings who are made of Silk, and they aren't truly connected to their mother
But who made them? Again, we see Phantom’s incubation chamber in Exhaust Organ. Some team of silk scientists built that. That only makes sense if GMS’ influence can lead bugs to carrying out complex tasks on her behalf

>And who started the Chorus? That's right, the Conductors
The Weavers, anon. The Weavers. The Conductors are a CASTE of the Chorus, charged with perpetuating and overseeing it. They are the CEOs, the Weavers are the owners. They employ the Conductors to ensure the song continues to operate. The Weavers built the entirety of the society of the song and the Conductors were entrusted with its execution.

When the Weavers fucked off because Silk was basically sleep-talking them to death, the Conductors were stuck. They knew they HAD to perpetuate the song, even though the Weavers were gone, because if they did, Silk would awaken. But the song was dreamt up under Weaver rule. The idea of building a society around a magic lullaby to roofie a god forever was a Weaver design. The Conductors just got stuck holding the steering wheel.

>>723522212
>they aren't just floating around in the environment

>>723522212
They're literally everywhere you utter retard

>>723524860
Nah, Lace is clearly hiding behind this sign, directing them.

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>>723522721
Phantom has a soul vat similar to Eve's so I'm guessing the Weavers created her by spinning soul into silk, but i think she IS suffering from the haunting, since she has gone insane (or GMS made her imperfectly and the Weavers made the vat for her to keep her from unravelling further?)
they tried to artificially create life again but without Silk and managed to create Eva, but she is essentially a pure soul without a vessel, and would die instantly if the vat was opened

Lace considers Phantom a sister but GMS does not seem to care about her at all, GMS only considers Lace her daughter
presumably GMS spun Lace herself after she was imprisoned

>>723522396
the butterflies come from bugs that have been implanted with silk and lived for a long time
i think the implication is that the bugs soak up divinity from the silk to extend their lives, but the silk simultaneously soaks up their souls and comes alive

music only subdues GMS because the chorus the bugs sing is actually part of the Weavers' ancestral silk art, every time they sing they are resonating with the silk in their bodies and reinforcing the spell keeping her asleep