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Anonymous No.723500176 [Report] >>723501506 >>723513314 >>723515786 >>723521841 >>723527008 >>723527228 >>723529623 >>723538401 >>723544020 >>723544171 >>723547072 >>723549069 >>723552630
Don't mind me, /v/. I'm just on my way to page 10 so I can die.
Anonymous No.723501325 [Report] >>723502935 >>723506568 >>723507357 >>723510858 >>723513484 >>723519656 >>723522157 >>723530546 >>723550596
Anonymous No.723501506 [Report] >>723502828
>>723500176 (OP)
Not so fast
Anonymous No.723501541 [Report] >>723507175
No
Anonymous No.723502828 [Report]
>>723501506
Anonymous No.723502935 [Report]
>>723501325
watching "umm actually its AI"fags cope with this has been great
Anonymous No.723502967 [Report] >>723503208
You need to suffer more
Anonymous No.723503208 [Report]
>>723502967
Gamers.

We need to be suffering men.
Anonymous No.723505171 [Report] >>723506174 >>723506705 >>723506773
The truth is, they were locked in bad endings as soon as he died.
Anonymous No.723505364 [Report] >>723506174
Favourite piano pieces lads? For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJbg9V2KnD8
Anonymous No.723506174 [Report]
>>723505364
Not my favorite but this one stands out to me being pretty unusual for when it was written. https://youtu.be/rQ81jzlR1y4?si=xSpHTUw9DrxDRg0E&t=335
>>723505171
t.
Anonymous No.723506568 [Report]
>>723501325
arent the writers supposed to be bad?
Anonymous No.723506705 [Report] >>723507034 >>723507152 >>723507768 >>723516829
>>723505171
The real truth is they were locked in bad endings as soon as Verso decided kicking Renoir out first and then kicking Aline out afterwards wasn't an option
Anonymous No.723506773 [Report] >>723507152
>>723505171
Biggest fuck up was they made him look like the Dad so I couldn't care less when he died, I was convinced some time fuckery was about to happen.
Anonymous No.723507034 [Report]
>>723506705
honestly would have been way more based if verso turned when they got to renoir and you had to choose between having verso, monoco, and renoir or lune, ciel, and maelle as your party
Anonymous No.723507152 [Report] >>723507295 >>723507583
>>723506705
It wasn't an option, Renoir had to reach Maelle how to gommage things and I genuinely don't believe they could've defeated Aline, the superior painter, with all of the chroma.
>>723506773
faceblind
Anonymous No.723507175 [Report] >>723507730 >>723511793 >>723544564
>>723501541
I feel like this is the better representation of modern society.
Anonymous No.723507295 [Report]
>>723507152
Aren't we all with time fuckery. Thats the point.
Anonymous No.723507357 [Report] >>723507634 >>723507721 >>723516383
>>723501325
>as if
Anonymous No.723507583 [Report]
>>723507152
Given Verso is capable to teach Maelle how to paint, he would be able to teach her how to gommage. He doesn't teach her anything at first because she's easier to control when she doesn't know she's a Paintress.
Anonymous No.723507634 [Report] >>723516383
>>723507357
yes, like all fictional characters they don't exist in reality, but the writers created them as and hoped we'd see them as real people in the context of their own fictional setting.
Anonymous No.723507721 [Report]
>>723507357
>despite
Anonymous No.723507730 [Report] >>723508482
>>723507175
>graph includes pointless data from 3th world shitholes to cook the stats and make them say what they want. And that assuming they aren't straight up lying about the whole thing
First world aka the only place that matters had its standards of living drop like a fucking rock in the last decades
Anonymous No.723507768 [Report] >>723508283
>>723506705
... Why would you kick out the person you agree with first? Renoir was the only one self to fully get rid of her.
Anonymous No.723508283 [Report] >>723508413 >>723509028
>>723507768
Because the person he agrees with is also the only threat to the canvas. It's not like Aline will nuke the canvas the moment he's out of the way. Plus the canvas' chroma is already under her control so it's not like she'll get any stronger from his absence either.
Anonymous No.723508413 [Report] >>723509962
>>723508283
>Plus the canvas' chroma is already under her control so it's not like she'll get any stronger from his absence either.
Renoir had been taking chroma for 67 years. She'd get it back and be much stronger.
Anonymous No.723508482 [Report] >>723508957 >>723513206
>>723507730
Once any stat you dont like is fake, you are no longer human and might as well go "can never be wrong full QAnon".
Anonymous No.723508957 [Report]
>>723508482
>disregard your very life experience and literally the one from every single person you know, and trust the ((experts)), goy
You are a fucking idiot if you think anyone besides the clowns in your own cult is drinking your kool-aid. Didn't your handler ever told you not to get high on your own shit?
Anonymous No.723509028 [Report]
>>723508283
Verso realized the only way to save her was to destroy it.
Anonymous No.723509962 [Report] >>723510460
>>723508413
The chroma he took was already used on the axons, which the player would still have to kill in order to use their chroma to enter the monolith
Anonymous No.723510460 [Report] >>723510759
>>723509962
The axons had been there for decades. Sirene had flags from expedition 67. That's at least 34 years of giving lumierens the succ worth of chroma from AFTER the axons creation. A major plot was that Renoir was growing stronger because with every gommage he claimed more chroma.
Anonymous No.723510759 [Report] >>723511112
>>723510460
>A major plot was that Renoir was growing stronger because with every gommage he claimed more chroma.
Which would mean that Clea is actively sabotaging him. Her nevrons trap chroma inside the bodies of people killed by them. The more they kill, the less people Renoir would have to harvest.
That would also mean Renoir actively sabotages himself as the nevrons on the axon islands were his creations and have the same chroma-trapping ability as Clea's.
Anonymous No.723510858 [Report] >>723512029 >>723516383
>>723501325
Weird that they felt the need to clarify that. The game does a great job of explaining that those people are real.
Anonymous No.723510967 [Report]
I’m going to kill your friends. Then your family. I’ll make you watch your brother die—just in case it might inconvenience me someday. After that, I’ll lecture my father on the meaning of family… before I kill him too. I’ll lie to you about everything—your actions, their purpose—because explaining the truth is hard, and I’d rather you unknowingly destroy your hometown, loved ones, and comrades.

Remember my sister? She wants peace. She believes we can talk things through. She wrote me a letter full of hope—one I’ll never share. I’ll convince her not to kill herself, all while making her life so miserable that staying becomes the crueler option. I’ve had 100 years to accept these fake memories of a man I never was, and even though you all support me as my own person… I’ll still kill everyone in Lumiere for the sake of the woman who created me.

You’ve forgiven me—again—for everything. So I’ll hesitate briefly. But Alicia once lied to Renoir after getting 16 years of chaos injected into her brain, so naturally, I must now kill you all. Clearly, there were no alternatives.

Now: suicide. It's morally grey, and totally for her. I mean, you saw what happened with Aline. The Dessendres tried nothing, and it didn’t magically work out. So that’s proof, right? It has to be, otherwise I would have to think back on the time I gaslit and killed my girlfriend over a minor misunderstanding I did not even try to explain.
Anonymous No.723511112 [Report] >>723511450
>>723510759
Expeditioners were always a small fraction of Lumiere's people. He was wiping out everyone born in a certain year with the gommage, trapping the chroma of a few with nevrons so Aline can't reclaim them didn't matter because he was winning (slowly) anyways. Also, I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue anymore. Are you saying Renoir didn't have a bunch of Chroma and wasn't growing stronger? That's what this is initially about and both of those things are true.
Anonymous No.723511165 [Report] >>723511231 >>723518727
Maelle says that only Clea is skilled enough to paint over another's creation, yet Maelle seemingly was offering pAlicia a new opportunity at life before Alicia chose to gommage.
What am I to believe?
Anonymous No.723511231 [Report] >>723518727
>>723511165
Characters aren't always right/honest. We know Alicia altered Verso in her ending.
Anonymous No.723511450 [Report] >>723511631
>>723511112
>trapping the chroma of a few with nevrons so Aline can't reclaim them didn't matter because he was winning (slowly) anyways
Which wouldn't make sense in the first place as Aline wouldn't be able to reclaim their chroma before they gommage anyway.
>Are you saying Renoir didn't have a bunch of Chroma and wasn't growing stronger?
He had a bunch of chroma, which he used on the axons. He wasn't growing stronger, Aline was simply growing weaker as we see during the final boss fight.
Anonymous No.723511520 [Report]
I just started this game
I like how when you switch characters when you have that chick at the beginning her skirt physics glitch out and you get to look at her panties but also this game has cringe & gay foot fetish propaganda less than 5 minutes in which cancels it out
Anonymous No.723511631 [Report] >>723512229
>>723511450
>which he used on the axons.
34 years ago at the minimum. He's been continuing to absorb lumierens chroma every year since then.
Anonymous No.723511793 [Report]
>>723507175
Modern ennui is an abstract kind of suffering that comes from pervasive narcissism. The 1850's dirt farmer was probably happier eating potato soup 6 days a week than the California trust fund baby is doordashing facsimilies of food from across the planet to her doorstep every morning.
Anonymous No.723512029 [Report]
>>723510858
Probably because of Verso's one-off line on painting being about essence and not exactness. People heard that and ran with the idea that the people of only "basically" human and not "exactly" human
Anonymous No.723512229 [Report] >>723512293
>>723511631
>He's been continuing to absorb lumierens chroma
You can't absorb chroma you went out of your way to trap from yourself.
Anonymous No.723512293 [Report] >>723512543
>>723512229
With the gommage, retard. Every gommage gets him the chroma of the gommaged lumierens.
Anonymous No.723512543 [Report] >>723512823
>>723512293
Yes and your claim is that he's nerfing his own gommage powerspikes by trapping chroma Aline wouldn't be able to get in the first place. I'm only pointing out how retarded your headcanon is based on evidence the game explicitly says.
Anonymous No.723512756 [Report]
Verso is a whiny scumbag mama's boy
Anonymous No.723512784 [Report] >>723513205
Maybe stay on discord if this is the kind of trash threads you want to make.
Anonymous No.723512823 [Report] >>723513349
>>723512543
I'm not claiming anything. The game tells us Renoir grows more powerful with the gommages. The game tells us nevrons trap chroma in expeditioner bodies so Aline can't get it back. Play the game before trying to discuss the plot.
Anonymous No.723513039 [Report]
These threads are always so effective at showcasing how there's nothing worthwhile to say about the gameplay.
Anonymous No.723513205 [Report] >>723513414
>>723512784
>this the kind of trash threads
Can't babel employ people who speak passable English?
Anonymous No.723513206 [Report] >>723513274
>>723508482
Income doesn't mean anything by itself retard, the current generation have infinitely less buying power than the previous ones
Anonymous No.723513274 [Report]
>>723513206
You're actually wasting words on someone arguing modern generations are in a better economic position than boomers?
Anonymous No.723513314 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
I just wanted to say it's uncanny how much my hair looks like his. Even the grey spots
Anonymous No.723513349 [Report] >>723513557
>>723512823
>The game tells us Renoir grows more powerful with the gommages
>The game tells us nevrons trap chroma in expeditioner bodies
>so that Renoir can't gommage them
>thus screwing himself over in the process, as evidence by the literal tens of thousands of corpses he could've gommaged instead
Anonymous No.723513414 [Report] >>723513645
>>723513205
Why did you post exactly the kind of "people" who get paid to shill marketable normie garbage like this?
Hell, maybe you and your alts are doing exactly what you're getting paid for right now. Too bad that you're not on twitter, reddit or discord so you ALWAYS stand out.
Anonymous No.723513432 [Report]
Male suffering >>>>> female """suffering"""
Anonymous No.723513484 [Report]
>>723501325
>Dude, the hallucination from drugs are real. You need connect with them.
Yeah.... no
Anonymous No.723513557 [Report] >>723513939
>>723513349
>The game tells us Renoir grows more powerful with the gommages
>The game tells us nevrons trap chroma in expeditioner bodies
Yes, the game tells us both of those things.
>thus screwing himself over in the process
No, because a small portion of people born in a given year leave on expeditions and are vulnerable to nevrons. Every single one of the rest of them gets gommaged.
Anonymous No.723513645 [Report] >>723513970
>>723513414
Sorry ranjeet, but the position of indians on E33 is well known. You shit on everything, including your streets and each other, so it's not a big surprise.
Anonymous No.723513939 [Report] >>723514103 >>723519726
>>723513557
>Every single one of the rest of them gets gommaged.
Exact all of them could be gommaged if it wasn't for the nevrons. Exactly how many expeditioners are you expecting to spontaneously die to warrant trapping chroma in the first place?
Anonymous No.723513970 [Report] >>723514214
>>723513645
I'm sure the discord really loved your little masterpiece, bro. See you when you find another "artistic masterpiece" to obsess over when E33 stops being marketable.
But don't come to 4chan if you despise leaving your normalfag circlejerk.
Anonymous No.723514103 [Report] >>723514348
>>723513939
Ask the writers, who put this information into the game in main story dialog. You seem to be going in circles to avoid admitting that you were wrong about Renoir having chroma and growing stronger. That he could've been getting even strong if not for the nevrons is irrelevant to that fact.
Anonymous No.723514214 [Report] >>723514341
>>723513970
Too obvious, ranjesh. You can play alone if you want to keep shitting up threads.
Anonymous No.723514341 [Report]
>>723514214
If you can't handle shitflinging, don't come to 4chan.
Hilarious how you will try to act "racist" by calling a white man indian but you would NEVER dare to call me a nigger or a faggot. Go back discord tranny.
Anonymous No.723514348 [Report] >>723514563
>>723514103
>You seem to be going in circles to avoid admitting that you were wrong about Renoir having chroma and growing stronger
No, simply pointing out how retarded it is to suggest he deliberately sabotages himself. I've already pointed out that he does not get stronger, Aline simply gets weaker which the game explicitly shows us. The game does not show us Renoir getting stronger until Aline is ejected funny enough, even after 67 years of "getting stronger."
Anonymous No.723514451 [Report] >>723514610
Pajeets are every bit as bad as niggers and faggots and trannies but not as good at lying as kikes. "White man," lmao. Keep working for pennies, sanjay.
Anonymous No.723514563 [Report] >>723514878
>>723514348
>controlling chroma makes you stronger
>renoir controls more chroma after each gommage
>he continues gommaging and gaining chroma for decades after the creation of the axons, your first incorrect argument about where he invested all his power
Sorry that being wrong is so difficult for you.
Anonymous No.723514610 [Report]
>>723514451
Which discord buddy showed you the script that posts slurs without you having to see them?
Anonymous No.723514878 [Report] >>723515729
>>723514563
>>renoir controls more chroma after each gommage
So... who did Aline gommage in order to make another Paintress in the finale of the game? Keep in mind, all of the chroma was his at that point. Surely you won't keep dodging everything that disproves your headcanon
Anonymous No.723515729 [Report] >>723516168
>>723514878
Aline controlled all of the chroma and Renoir still fractured the canvas and locked the two of them into a struggle. Painters aren't powerless when they don't control chroma, but they are more powerful when they do control it. Renoir was also exhausted after his decades long struggle with Aline, which Alicia says is the reason he doesn't just fuck them all up right away. Renoir controlled more chroma after each gommage. He was growing more powerful. Unless you think the people he erased just removed chroma from the canvas. Again, I'm sorry that you were wrong, that seems to be something you take very hard.
Anonymous No.723515786 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
And take the whole world with you, you painter simp fuckwad
Anonymous No.723516168 [Report] >>723516829
>>723515729
>dodges again
As expected. Anyways, since you just proved that you have not actually played the game, here is a direct quote from Clea
>She who controls chroma, controls the Canvas
Anonymous No.723516383 [Report] >>723538589 >>723555846
>>723507357
>>723507634
extreme copium

>>723510858
The ending does a really good job contradicting it in subtle and not so subtle ways. The most egregious thing it does is treat all characters save for Alicia and Verso as complete afterthoughts, and also frame the Alicia ending in the most grim and harsh way possible while framing the Verso ending as beautiful acceptance. Those characters you set out to save? Their memories are with you in your heart :) So it's not too sad they're all stone fucking dead.

Between making the very essence of the painting weigh in AND be just as suicidal as Verso and then hyper fixating on the two characters that "matter" the most, the game basically took all the evidence that every creation within that canvas was a living creature with its own thoughts, emotions and hopes and thoroughly wiped its ass with it. So the final lasting impression left on the audience was to question if any of it mattered beyond Verso and Alicia's personal problems
Anonymous No.723516829 [Report] >>723517047
>>723516168
Renoir controlled more chroma with every gommage, increasing his control over the canvas, He was growing more powerful :) Given that this all spawned from your post here >>723506705 I can see you're just an extremely bitter maellefag, and admitting you were wrong about Renoir controlling some chroma and the fact that it would've gone to Aline if he got kicked out first would mean admitting you were wrong about criticizing verso, your great satan. You may now continue moving goalposts.
Anonymous No.723517047 [Report] >>723517220
>>723516829
>admitting you were wrong about Renoir controlling some chroma
>Renoir controlled more chroma with every gommage
I don't even need to debate you at this point. You're contradicting yourself now lol
Anonymous No.723517220 [Report] >>723517614
>>723517047
You said
>Plus the canvas' chroma is already under her control so it's not like she'll get any stronger from his absence either.
This was wrong. You tried to say he used the chroma from the gommages to make the axons, which was you admitting he controlled the chroma from the people he gommaged. Problem is, he made the axons decades of in-canvas time before the game began, and kept gommaging, kept taking control of more chroma. You were wrong. It's not a big deal, but you seem to really think that it is. You may have the last word, if you need to seethe some more.
Anonymous No.723517614 [Report]
>>723517220
>You tried to say he used the chroma from the gommages to make the axons
Another headcanon. My point this whole time was that he does not gain chroma from gommaging as that would mean both Clea and he himself would be working against his own goals by trapping chroma.
He took chroma directly from under Aline's nose in the very beginning, which he used to create the Axons in order to prevent her from reclaiming it.
Likewise, we literally watch Maelle do the exact same thing by stealing Lune's and Sciel's chroma from underneath Renoir's nose (which you would know if you played the game).
Anonymous No.723518727 [Report] >>723519873
>>723511165
>>723511231
My guess is she probably meant she isn't skilled enough to "reprogram" her. Undoing Clea's lobotomy is probably way more intensive than cosmetic changes like fixing Alicia's wounds or making Verso old. Even in Maelle's ending Verso isn't happy about what's going on, so she couldn't have warped his personality
Anonymous No.723519656 [Report] >>723519873
>>723501325
I understand the "they were as human as you and me despite being part of the painting" argument in the sense of not dismissing the whole world as a cheap isekai fanfic from Alicia/Maelle as a coping mechanism the moment we see the reveal and Act 3 starts, and instead take all the experiences from that world as real and let us learn from them and grow as a person. But even despite ALL that, the point remains that it IS a giant fantasy world made to cope, and staying inside is basically running away from reality and face the truth (as the whole family of painter assholes really needs to do).
In the end, while i truly enjoyed this game as a whole, i admit that this particular fact kinda ruined Act 3 for me (besides fucking Sthendal- haha go brr and potentially one-shot any opponent): staying any more than necessary for any secondary mission, finding all gestral brats, swimming with Esquie, etc, felt like the bad ending from OMORI: you're wasting you fucking time in fantasy shit instead of finally finishing the story properly.
Anonymous No.723519726 [Report] >>723519969 >>723520757
>>723513939
Except without the nevrons they'd get to Aline and either get killed and absorbed by her, making her stronger, or if they're reasonable enough to listen to her, go fight Renoir like expedition 60 and give him unneccessary trouble.
Anonymous No.723519873 [Report] >>723520261
>>723519656
Yeah the act III pacing was kinda fucked, I wonder if they originally meant for you to go around collecting the chroma. But if it was through the same old stages, that would've been pretty lame backtracking. It's clear there was some cut content, I have to wonder what their original vision was for act 3.
>>723518727
Definitely the case, Clea managed to give the ability to paint to a painted person, an absurd display of skill, and all while not controlling any chroma unlike Renoir or Aline.
Anonymous No.723519949 [Report] >>723520057
Manipulative, two-faced, self serving, treacherous backbiting goddamned snake. Well written character though, if one can bring themselves to admit how deeply flawed he is. He only cares about himself and his own, his creators included. That's the truth, and it needs no redeeming or excuses, just let him be a bad person and a likeable character
Anonymous No.723519969 [Report] >>723520757 >>723522151
>>723519726
I wondered about that that myself. The barrier seems like it would've stopped expeditioners, but one expedition before 60 (70 i think?) has flags in the monolith which makes me think the barrier simply wasn't always there. I think the big threat of expeditioners reaching Aline was them actually talking to her like 60 did. If only they'd all gone back, one of them might have made it and told Lumiere the truth. Of course, I doubt they could've defeated Renoir anyways. Even 60 got rocked by him, and not even Simon could do it.
Anonymous No.723520057 [Report] >>723520261
>>723519949
I say this as a versofag - he played the party like a fucking fiddle and Lune was not nearly hard enough on him. The writing of this game was simply a cut above.
Anonymous No.723520261 [Report] >>723520432
>>723519873
Not sure if cut content, maybe unorganized or added at the last minute. If they at least made the side missions for each character obligatory it would have made more sense (except Simon, fuck that shit) instead of simply pointing you to the final battle
>>723520057
Also this, the party was really chilly about letting Verso back after the bullshit he pulled in Act 2. It would have made more sense if he just bailed out of shame and came back at the last fucking moment to face Maelle at the ending maybe even more kino
Anonymous No.723520432 [Report]
>>723520261
Verso staying was necessary to make players willing to side with him, and narratively, the squad knew they needed all the help they could get. They didn't really have a choice. But it would've been extremely kino for him to step in at the end leaving you wondering if he was there to help or not.
Anonymous No.723520617 [Report] >>723520890 >>723521931
How long has the painting soul wanted to kill itself? Was it always this way, or was this attitude toward its own existence something that developed as a result of being caught in the middle of Aline and Renoir's spat? If so, could it get better? If not, did the real Verso really hate his world that much?

Are other canvases like this? Are there countless magical paintings hanging in museums and private collections that spend every moment cursing their own existence and longing for the flames?
Anonymous No.723520678 [Report] >>723521304
>Escapism is worse than literally genocide
Anonymous No.723520757 [Report] >>723520935 >>723522151
>>723519726
The nevrons existed before the people of Lumiere had any interest in the Paintress. They only took interest in her around year 85/84 when the gommages began
>>723519969
The first mention of the barrier is 60's journal where they, quite literally, just walked through it, but somehow already knew it gommages. 0 and 70 have flags and 70 even has a journal inside the monolith with no mention of the barrier
Anonymous No.723520890 [Report]
>>723520617
Verso never wanted to be a painter, but seemed to really enjoy playing in the canvas with his family. From the very first time we encounter his soul, he's talking about how much he misses his family. Given how time passes, that soul must've experienced centuries or millenia without getting to interact with the only people it cared to spend time with. If Maelle had handled things better, future generations could've used the canvas and played with versoul. But the truth is, I don't think soul fragments were meant to be in a canvas forever. We don't see any other magical canvases outside of Verso's, so I think painters tend to erase them when they're done.
Anonymous No.723520935 [Report] >>723521329 >>723522151
>>723520757
>70 even has a journal inside the monolith with no mention of the barrier
That's why I think it probably wasn't always there. Aline went crazier and crazier, so my headcanon is initially she probably wanted to tell Lumierens the truth, but eventually sealed herself off.
Anonymous No.723521304 [Report]
>>723520678
Never mind them. Painted people are of no value. We could make more sometime... if we need them.

Life itself is only a vision. A dream. Nothing exists except empty space and you. And you are but a thought.
Anonymous No.723521329 [Report]
>>723520935
A gommage barrier sounds more like Renoir's doing. Aline's whole goal is protecting the Lumierens. A fuck-you-die barrier is pretty counterintuitive to be her idea. Besides, the solution to getting through the barrier being Renoir's creations is pretty suspicious as well, like Renoir planned it ahead of time.
Anonymous No.723521841 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
Piano. Now.
Anonymous No.723521931 [Report]
>>723520617
>Was it always this way, or was this attitude toward its own existence something that developed as a result of being caught in the middle of Aline and Renoir's spat?
Probably the latter. Based on what Versoul says throughout the game, despite loving music more, he still at least liked painting and very clearly loves his canvas deeply. He even says he welcomes Aline's additions to the canvas, so his discontent comes from a more recent occurrence: the resulting fracture after Renoir enters the canvas where the canvas goes from a happy vacation land to endless misery.
> Are there countless magical paintings hanging in museums and private collections that spend every moment cursing their own existence and longing for the flames?
Probably not many. Souls in canvases seem to be exact snapshots of the painter at the time the painting was created, so most souls should share the same vision as the painter at the time. Souls becoming upset later on would have to result from vandalism, like what essentially happens with Verso's canvas
Anonymous No.723522041 [Report]
Anonymous No.723522151 [Report] >>723522643 >>723535329
>>723519969
>>723520757
>>723520935
I'm pretty sure the barrier was always there. Verso has a conversation with Maelle about Clea at some point where he mentions that he first met her when she stopped expedition 0 at the barrier to explain everything. This implies the barrier always existed. I guess he could have meant that she stopped them where the barrier is now, but I feel like he would have just said "in front of the monolith" in that case.
Anonymous No.723522157 [Report] >>723522590 >>723522948
>>723501325
Remember: the only reason Renoir is forced to destroy the painting instead of keeping it up and visiting Verso every weekend is because these two retarded whores Aline and Alicia have no self control and will happily destroy their real family for a fucking painting.
Anonymous No.723522590 [Report] >>723527073
>>723522157
>"Just hide the painting."
>"No way! Aline will definitely be able to find it and get into it no matter what! For no reason. And without explanation."
Stupidest fucking contrivance.

It's a painting. They could literally pay someone to move it to somewhere she doesn't know and she won't be able to do fuckall about it. They didn't even bother to say something like 'you can't move the painting safely' or 'if it's removed from the conservatory part of it will die' or anything. No, just 'go fuck yourself'. Like a lot of the other parts of the story.
Anonymous No.723522643 [Report]
>>723522151
The only issue with that is 70's presence inside the monolith. We can chalk 60 passing through the barrier as a joke for the sake of argument, and if 70 just had flags inside the monolith it could be chalked up to a dev oversight, but 70's journal mentions the interior of the monolith so they're 100% supposed to have entered it.
The easiest explanation is Verso simply lies about the barrier and the barrier was actually created some time after 70.
Anonymous No.723522948 [Report] >>723523118 >>723535510 >>723535598
>>723522157
>keeping it up and visiting Verso every weekend
That wasn't good enough for Renoir.
Anonymous No.723523118 [Report] >>723523258
>>723522948
bait or bad reading comprehension
Call it.
Anonymous No.723523258 [Report] >>723528397
>>723523118
"Few moments a day" certainly sounds like "visiting" as well as "self control" to me but I just we can ignore what the game says for fantasies instead
Anonymous No.723525604 [Report]
>Page 10
I don't hear that piano playing, big bro
Anonymous No.723526758 [Report]
Is this accurate?
Anonymous No.723527008 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
is it safe to assume the majority of people side with verso?
Anonymous No.723527073 [Report] >>723529367
>>723522590
Alicia does hide the painting and it seems like she hides it by putting it inside another painting. There's a theory that Clea tells Aline where it is because she wants to prolong the conflict while she gains influence among the painters. It checks out given she abandons Alicia after convincing her to enter the Canvas and because she could've resolved the conflict in a fraction of the time it took Alicia if she just got off her ass for five minutes.
Anonymous No.723527228 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
YOU WILL LIVE.
Anonymous No.723528397 [Report]
>>723523258
Sad Baby Verso doesn't get his way and kill himself so it's BAD no exceptions
Anonymous No.723529367 [Report]
>>723527073
>There's a theory that Clea tells Aline where it is because she wants to prolong the conflict while she gains influence among the painters
Peak schizophrenia right there
Anonymous No.723529623 [Report] >>723530276
>>723500176 (OP)
>suffers
Anonymous No.723530276 [Report] >>723530423
>>723529623
>a memed up sequel
vs
>random new ip


heres a more fair comparison
Anonymous No.723530423 [Report] >>723530542
>>723530276
It's a good comparison. Verso feels hollow too. Sniffle sniffle
Anonymous No.723530489 [Report]
Clea makes me feel things.
Anonymous No.723530542 [Report]
>>723530423
lune and sciel felt that way too. made it easy to pick versos ending
Anonymous No.723530546 [Report] >>723531398 >>723531801 >>723538331 >>723548921
>>723501325
i connected so heavily with them as humans, mainly gustave, that i fucking stopped playing when he died and immediately got replaced by some random guy everyone trusted for no reason.
Anonymous No.723531398 [Report]
>>723530546
>some random guy everyone trusted for no reason.
It was his winning smile
Anonymous No.723531801 [Report]
>>723530546
once he gets the dualiso you basically need to just go along with the guy who can solo every fight
Anonymous No.723533278 [Report] >>723539287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKU8DJzipW4
Anonymous No.723534438 [Report]
Play the piano
Anonymous No.723535067 [Report] >>723535337
Sounds like his immortality sucked, but to choose offing yourself and doom an entire world in the process isn't something I can envision as a noble or sympathetic action. Necessary for him perhaps but I'd hate to be one of the people he took down with him
Anonymous No.723535329 [Report]
>>723522151
yeah you're right. the story probably went through several iterations, there's either intentional discontinuities to create ambiguity or they lost a few threads.
Anonymous No.723535337 [Report] >>723536690 >>723538406
>>723535067
>but to choose offing yourself and doom an entire world in the process isn't something I can envision as a noble or sympathetic action.
It is when it saves your family. And it wasn't only his immortality that was making him depressed it was his family destroying themselves and his canvas over their refusal to move on.
Anonymous No.723535510 [Report] >>723557271
>>723522948
If she was only in it a few moments a day, he could've just gone in when she wasn't there. So, you're dumb.
Anonymous No.723535598 [Report]
>>723522948
eyyyy it's you
Anonymous No.723536690 [Report] >>723537035
>>723535337
I'd definitely kill you to save my family but I wouldn't exactly expect to get showered with praise for that
Anonymous No.723537035 [Report] >>723537818
>>723536690
Sympathy doesn't mean praise, or even that you condone it. I understand that (You) would kill that anon, or even me, to save your family. If I were in the same position, I'd likely do the same.
While I obviously wouldn't praise you, I absolutely would sympathize.
Anonymous No.723537818 [Report]
>>723537035
Sympathy works both ways in this case. I also sympathize with the people whose deaths he plotted for the sake of his sister's doppelganger, his creator, and himself. I daresay I have greater sympathy for them, having been born into such a sordid sorry mess and have their only hope of reprieve sabotaged
Anonymous No.723538331 [Report] >>723539537
>>723530546
You didn't beat the game
Anonymous No.723538401 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
In Alicia ending he was sad because he realized how much getting old sucks
Anonymous No.723538406 [Report]
>>723535337
the kicker is that he's also forsaking his actual painted family in favour of verso's real family
pAlicia didnt deserve any of this
Anonymous No.723538415 [Report]
>asset store slop
Anonymous No.723538589 [Report]
>>723516383
Yeah. It felt highly implied in Alicia's ending, that and the papa saying it over and over, that it was a very intricate simulator, especially due to real Verso's leftovers, and even if you think you're not manipulating anything, you'll eventually go insane and do it anyways, including papa's own experience with it and how to handle it from mama. Alicia's ending she takes full reins and pVerso can't do jackshit about her unaware LARP.
Anonymous No.723539287 [Report]
>>723533278
Verso's bussy...
Anonymous No.723539537 [Report]
>>723538331
no, i didn't. i dropped it and watched the cutscenes on youtube.
Anonymous No.723541913 [Report]
play the piano
Anonymous No.723542023 [Report] >>723544151 >>723544514
>Ahh... you were at my side all along.
Anonymous No.723544020 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
Not happening.
Anonymous No.723544151 [Report]
>>723542023
Hope the dlc bosses are harder
Anonymous No.723544171 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
Page 10? Oh no no no. Tickle the ivories, my good man
Anonymous No.723544514 [Report]
>>723542023
Good. Kill them all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs_82VxUHE
Anonymous No.723544564 [Report]
>>723507175
while true you could also use other stats, like people raised in single parent households, dependency on painkillers, autism, social isolation etc.
Anonymous No.723544832 [Report] >>723545598
>Create sapient life
>Ruin their lives by causing countless deaths of real people because of your shitty family drama

Unironically fuck everyone. I'd gladly let Verso suffer forever it means the people of the painting could live but no because they'll gladly burn the painting once Alicia kicks the bucket. Both endings suck ass.
Anonymous No.723545598 [Report] >>723546460
>>723544832
>death, delusions, torture and misery
>death, healing, misery (might get better)
Choose Painter man.
Anonymous No.723546334 [Report]
The endings truly did the entire rest of this game a disservice
Anonymous No.723546460 [Report]
>>723545598
Painter shits do not deserve it to get better, if anything they deserve it to get worse.
They are shitty people who are not worth one nail of any random expeditioner who gave his life to stop whatever they were doing.
Anonymous No.723547072 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
>I'm just on my way to page 10 so I can die.
Not so fast, Pedro

Trying to exit the stage without explicit permission? That will be another 10 years.
Anonymous No.723548259 [Report]
I bet Lumiere was really nice before the fracture
Anonymous No.723548921 [Report] >>723548969
>>723530546
turning off the game killed them all
you monster
Anonymous No.723548969 [Report]
>>723548921
I too enjoyed ReBoot as a kid
Anonymous No.723549069 [Report]
>>723500176 (OP)
Can't wait to see all of you frogs mad
Anonymous No.723550596 [Report]
>>723501325
I would gladly bring the apocalypse on this world and watch all real humans perish if that means our soul be freed and we ascend to the pleroma without our imperfect human avatars
Anonymous No.723552630 [Report] >>723553001
>>723500176 (OP)
But why though?
Anonymous No.723553001 [Report]
>>723552630
He's tired. Also his bitch sister and crazy mom need him to.
Anonymous No.723555278 [Report]
Verso, dodge!
Anonymous No.723555846 [Report]
>>723516383
I heavily disagree with your point about the ending somehow disrespecting the existence of Lune and Sciel. If you bother to speak to them in camp, they tell you exactly how they feel about the situation at hand and, realistically, they have absolutely nothing at all they can say during the final confrontation. It is implied they can't even exist within the same room as real Verso. Maelle and Verso are the only two people with the power to decide the conclusion of the story, which is in itself a theme of the story. Much of the game is about control- how we can't control the bad things that happen to us, how we can't control the Paintress killing people, etc etc. When Maelle establishes her control and suicides fake Alicia, with literally nobody else's input, Verso feels out of control, and that informs his final decision in the game. Ironically, he's wresting control away from everyone else when he blows up the painting, and doing exactly what he criticized Maelle for doing to Alicia but on a larger scale. That's ultimately the point of it all.

Whether either decision is portrayed as the "right" one is a completely different discussion, but ultimately they are both about control. The control Maelle will eventually fall to in the painting and the control Verso exerts to make absolutely sure that never happens. Also Verso just wants control over his ability to die the whole story, blah blah blah. It's all there, I can imagine where someone would feel as if the other characters were sidelined to a degree, but that's part of the point.
Anonymous No.723557271 [Report]
>>723535510
I don't think you know English, anon