Thread 723510365

No king rules forever my son.

This isnt even the first time CA shat the bed and got their game review bombed.

>>723510546
>faulty product
>muh review bomb
kill yourself zoomer. you have no idea what that means or you are intentionally misrepresenting it

>>723510365 (OP)
why do you keep posting this

>>723510365 (OP)
>People still trusting CA after Omens of Destruction
>People still trusting CA after killing Three Kingdoms
>People still trusting CA after 3K and TWW2's awful bug/dlc cycle
>People still trusting CA after Norsca reintroduced all of the TWW2 launch bugs
>People still trusting CA after Nine Months for Norsca
>People still trusting CA after TWW2 buggy ass launch
>People still trusting CA after Attila's complete lack of optimization
>People still trusting CA after fucking Rome 2 god fucking awful release
>People still trusting CA after Empire
Pay pigs will never learn.

>>723511168
Ive been playing this game for a decade. It never works. Its part and parcel of playing a CA game. I dont see why you are so upset

Skavenbros... ww@?

>>723511531
just because your people have been eating shit for centuries doesn't mean you have to, Sanjeet

>>723511564
That Thanquol motherfucker on /vg/ was a prohpet trying to avert this dark future the whole time.

>>723512201
Qrd?

sieges fixed tomorrow

>>723511376
>Omens of Destruction
>Not Shadows of Change
At least get your greentext copypasta right

>>723510365 (OP)
>king
Three KINGdoms sold a million more copies than Cuckhammer 3

>>723511387
Is that why CA immediately sent out a message and started working on hotfixes?
Companies 100% do care about reviews.

>>723511387
It has actually done something, twice now. The kikes at CA/Sega only respond to seeing their games being review bombed. Maybe try like actually looking into something before you post some dumb as fuck response.

>>723512419
Couldn't remember which one it was because I don't play CA games anymore.

>>723511387
It lets people know not to buy the game, retard. I don't fucking buy a game that has mixed or worse reviews.

Just play multiplayer

Legendoftotalwar (not) here
Reviewing another disaster campaign from creative assembly

>>723512002
Not sure why you constructed this jeet strawman but for regular fans of this series its normal to run 6 gorillion mods to fix bugs and add content. Down voting them on steam wont magically make them more capable of delivering a quality product.

>>723511168
This. Review bombing is just a term corporate apologists and their sycophants in journalism use to paint legit customers who complain as bad guys.

It's cheap right now, but we really need CA to fail so Hooded Horse can poach their talent for better Strategy/Tactics wargaming.

>>723511387
of course they do you dimwit

>>723513250
It indicates to me that CA is still shitting the bed and shipping DLC while base mechanics are broken.

>>723510365 (OP)
Only have the first one, check mate fatsos

Is the warhammer IP just cursed? Tons of shitty games, and the few decent looking ones are plagued with incompetence.

>>723513321
Did you expect anything less?

>>723510365 (OP)
This was never a good game and Warhammer literally destroyed the Total War series. It will never recover and be good again because of this cringe garbage.

>>723510365 (OP)
e-celeb drama does not belong on /v/

>>723513891
>Is the warhammer IP just cursed? Tons of shitty games, and the few decent looking ones are plagued with incompetence.
Ever since Games Workshop became woke? yeah

>>723510365 (OP)
You made this thread yesterday

>>723510365 (OP)
is this what the no kings protests were about today

We desperately need legitimate competition for Total War. There is really nothing like it so there is little incentive for CA to actually put effort into their games because they have a captive audience. A real shame what has happened to Warhammer 3. Warhammer 2 ended its life on a very high note and I have fond memories of it, even with its early stumbles. I do not have fond memories of Warhammer 3 and it's incredible that we are 3.5 years into its life cycle and it still plays like a typical buggy CA launch title. Sega should just shut CA down and give Total War to Feral Interactive.

>>723513909
Not really. This is me >>723513117
CA needs to die to fill the hole they've dug with monetization and tech debt.

>>723511376
I blame Sega. CA was fine before their acquisition.

Thanquol soon friends!

>>723515980
Medieval 2 and its excellent expansion came out after the acquisition. Shogun 2 also came out after the acquisition. The problem is that CA's executives are retards who have mo idea what they are doing. They are also very hostile to the fanbase and they have terrible customer relations.

Didn't they already fix the problems people were reviewing badly for

>>723511376
Warhammer 2 and 3 are the only CA games I've played.

>there are people who unironically think a 40k total war is gonna be announced in december
Nobody has ever explained how this could possibly work

>>723516221
yes

>>723510365 (OP)
2 was just as bad and the first one was ok at best

>>723513891
now you remember the warhammer youtube guy who made those animations and then they "hired" the guy to do an official series and then disappeared

>>723516950
Just make planet's provinces
Have fights be done on space hulk and the planets

>>723516221
yes, but their fix also broke other things

What are the chances they'll fuck tides of torment on release?

>>723517604
99.99%

what did they do this time?

>>723516950
They'll spend more time making a brave femstodes campaign than worrying about silly things like mechanics

>>723516221
>legend of total war is still quitting
nah fuck off, hold this Negative Review

>>723518048
There's a new shitshow since james workshop is pushing more homosex in eldar.
>homosex
>eldar
wew

>>723518142
slaneesh 2 soon

>>723517892
releasing hotfixes that break more things than they fix

>>723510365 (OP)
Isn't this the same company that is supposedly announcing a total war 40k later this year?

Doesn't bode well

>>723514721
That doesn't always happen. Humankind tried to compete with Civilization and failed so espetacularly it convinced Civ Devs to kill their game themselves

SEGA needs to dismantle CA, sell the IP or hire another company to make more total war games. After the hyenas fiasco and pretty much everything else they've been doing, it's clear they are completely mismanaged.

What the fuck happened? I don't remember the first 2 having reviews like this

>>723517585
>>723518228
What got broken

>>723519043
having not played the game in over a year and skimmed the last few threads, tomb kings and lizzurs seem to be broken and don't do anything, they just sit at their spawn and die

>>723518971
CA pissed off its old established fanbase and they now wage a campaign of sabotage and negativity against the company.

It's not the Warhammer tards that are doing this stuff, because these are the same mongoloids who willingly gave Games Workshop money for years and years, by comparison the incompetence and greed of Creative Assembly seems positively generous and benevolent. The hundreds of dollars they have spent on DLC for the game is, to them, a pittance. GW would have charged thousands.

>>723518920
I've reached the point where I no longer believe CA is capable of making a good game. I held out hope for a long time they would realize their mistakes and try to correct course, but now I just want the company to die and somebody else to get this IP. They can't possibly do a worse job. CA already killed all my interest in Total War games, it's been many years since I bothered to even keep tabs on new ones and I haven't purchased one in over 10 years. What is the worst that can happen from my perspective? I'm already not buying their games, and already not even anticipating new ones. I have nowhere to go but up.

>>723511387
I mean it does for me. If the review of a game isn't at lest very positive I will most likely go dig through the reviews for why.

TWW1 > TWW2 > TWW3

>>723519194
That got fixed dumbass dont talk if you dont know shit

>>723510365 (OP)
Did you literally forget when they put malware in their games?

>>723519947
easy rentjeet

>>723518065
seems like he quits every six months

Thanquol...NEVER, enemies

>>723510365 (OP)
I dont know what the fuck is going on over at CA, is middle management a revolving door of idiots or is the same middle managers the same group of idiots that keep fucking up? A lot of the actual content they put into the game is great, seems like a lot of individual employees are passionate... I cant imagine its upper management at this point, because they have given them so much leeway in reworking past content, and theyve gone so long without just making them push out DLC. But then again maybe they just gutted the team too quickly and now kt doesnt have enough people or talent to make the critical changes necessary to de-spaghetti the code.
Its always a fucking problem of back tracking having to fix things theyve broken, sometimes things theyve broken and fixed multiple times in the series. It's fucking terminal at this point, they cant touch anything without a shitavalanche burying them

They will survive this as they always do
But they won't survive the nuclear flop that TW: AOS will be

>>723514721
The problem is that even with all of Creative Assemblies problems it's really difficult for a smaller Dev to create a game that'll do a satisfactory job to both the RTS and 4x elements at the same time, even if the latter is relatively shallow compared to other titles. But if you only appeal to one or the other you're ultimately not going to cut in on Total War's niche in the market.

Personally I would be totally fine with a game that was a much more linear campaign + multiplayer. Developers these days seem to think people no longer give a shit about an RTS have a good narrative focused campaign when I always loved that crap.

>>723511168
>>723513095
>Review bombing is just a term corporate apologists and their sycophants in journalism use to paint legit customers who complain as bad guys.
who gives a fuck what definition corpo faggots use? We know what 'review bombing' is and we know it rarely works unless the game is genuinely bad.

>>723514106
Nah wh has always got shitty games.

>>723511376
It all happened thanks to Total War Empire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naQaRIaXyAU

>>723516950
It doesn't matter how it can work, all that matters is that the idea of a 40k total war generates more hype than half-life 3, so much so that even you have your $150 already reserved to buy its most expensive edition + blood pack. CA will literally drown in money from this so much they could make ten more Hyenas and still be fine.

>>723516950
It's just the boardgame but in real time. It's not that complex

>>723510365 (OP)
anon, a nasty whore does not give her pussy around as much as warhammer gives away their IP around, as long you pay.

Don't worry CA bros
The forty thousand DLC's they have planned for their next total war game will save us.

There's no amount of shit Warhammer fans won't eat to keep their garbage relevant.

>>723519781
Man 1 was dogshit. All the broken shit that got changed/fixed later started in that one. I sure do love my bonus orc army fucking off to god knows where and fucking up my campaign. Turn times in 1 and the beginning of 2 were also SLOOOOW before they figured out a way to speed it up much later.

>>723516950
Personally, I'm of the opinion that the TW: 40k rumors started because someone saw an early screenshot of Dawn of War 4 and saw the unit panel at the bottom and just assumed it was Total War because they look kind of similar.
>>723517503
The problem is the combat. 40k combat doesn't work like Total War combat, the scale and style is completely wrong. You don't have 100 tactical marines standing in formation in the middle of an open field trading shots with 100 dire avengers standing in formation in the middle of an open field. They would need to completely overhaul the combat mechanics to work for the smaller squad based scale of 40k and the result would end up looking more like a traditional RTS like the Dawn of War games, so would it even really be a Total War game at that point?

>>723521910
30k Fall of the Samurai

>>723513891
>Is the warhammer IP just cursed? Tons of shitty games,
I liked the recently released Space Hulk games. the Tactics one and that FPS one..

>>723521910
The only way total war 40k would work if they go Epic scale.

The problem is GW's retardedness is added to CA's retardedness.

>>723522123
People fucking HATED Deathwing.

>>723513891
Games Workshop is either retarded, or purposefully avoids making a videogame that's too good at representing the setting because then it might bite into Miniature sales. Thought the two aren't mutually exclusive.

>>723521910
It doesn't have to be 100 Marines. You already have monstrous infantry that fulfill the same role as Space Marines would.

100 entity units would be for something like IG instead. And who says it absolutely has to be 100 units? Just scale down the unit count overall for each army.

>>723522263
the problem comes from giving out the license to basically anyone who asks, so you get a lot of shitty games because there are a lot of shitty developers trying to use [BRAND] to boost their own reputation and sales.

And existing "high-tier" studios would rather work on their own brands, or much bigger brands like Star Wars.

>>723522238
Killteam would work better tbfh as rules base.

>>723522123
Deathwing is fine now, and Necromunda Hired Gun is legitimately great, but people give those a miss because they're not Dawn of War 1 levels of known hype.

>>723522342
A single guardsman squad is TEN models, anon. 100 guardsman would be literally your entire IG army in 40k. This is what I mean that the scale is completely different.

What happened to those like in depth porn mods? I remember they got posted here a while back. I'm just curious how indepth they actually went, i dont even own the games.

>>723522757
A lot of 40k battles take place in cities, not open fields. We've already seen stuff like this in TW sieges and town battles. I think a 40k Total War would just have a far lower unit count in general but much more complex maps.

>>723510365 (OP)
qrd

>>723523013
>We've already seen stuff like this in TW sieges and town battles
Yeah and we've seen how well they work and how much the playerbase likes them, so imagine a Total War game that is mostly to entirely town battles.

>>723523470
Maybe that focus is what it will take for CA to spend the resources to make it work.

>>723523545
See, and this is getting back to my original point. They would need to fundamentally change the entire combat system because 40k is based on modern squad based combat and Total War, including Total War Warhammer, is based on ancient formation based combat, and if you fundamentally change the entire combat system to an entirely different style of combat at an entirely different scale, is it still a Total War game?

>>723520350
This is an incredible accurate post, and it's good to hear fans of this kind of game might be okay with something that had a smaller scope. That's the only way any competition is going to happen.

>>723520350
>The problem is that even with all of Creative Assemblies problems it's really difficult for a smaller Dev to create a game that'll do a satisfactory job to both the RTS and 4x elements at the same time
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1423330/Ancient_Warfare_The_Han_Dynasty/
Some random chinks did it.

>>723520289
they have a reputation as the best UK company to get your foot in the door as a young dev, which they use to keep wages down with high turnover. the vets they have are all working on new projects currently so they handed TWW3 over to their belarusian branch for maintenance but the code base is such a mess that they can't handle it.

>>723513891
Nah games workshop is just retarded

>>723512593
not sure why they care everyone who wants warhammer already bought it
and autistic fig painters will buy any dlc featuring their favorite toy regardless if its good

Why can't this game just get fully fixed , its a good game bottled down by terrible design. They need to fix the base game and it would actually be good.

>>723523068
A streamer had a melty and "quit" the franchise. The bug that some people mention (AI recruitment for Liggers and TKangz) has been fixed and wasn't up for long. Also you can just revert back to previous version where it's a non-issue. Typical manchild nonsense.
>muh small bug (just use previous patch)
>muh eceleb cry so therefore I must too!

>>723530076
>The bug that some people mention (AI recruitment for Liggers and TKangz) has been fixed and wasn't up for long
It was literally going on for something like 8 months and was only resolved when the eceleb you're hating on brought it to light and got people to shit on CA for it until they got off their fucking asses and fixed it
Imagine shilling this hard for a million dollar corporation, jesus

>>723530076
>has been fixed
People are saying it comes back after 40 turns lol
And it brought back old bugs
So now the fixed version has more bugs than the unfixed version

it's a shame that their game is such a fucking mess. warhammer is kinda cool and there's virtually no other game with this amount of content at that level of quality (units, factions, etc.)

>>723530524
Nope. It was only introduced in the patch that changed and focused on Ligger and TKangs (where they both got quite buffed—for the player anyhow as the AI broke). Was about a month or two ago. It broke AI recruitment due to the pools. Patch 6.3 IIRC.

>>723510365 (OP)
They peaked with Shogun II but were already dead before the Warhammer shit became their bread and butter.
I fucking hated the "every region is three areas and you have to control all or it's useless even if it means attacking your ally".
Not to mention the absolutely retarded "your ally for 347 turns betray you because you've grown too powerful"

>>723530769
>Nope.
Fucking yes, retard. You can literally find year old reddit posts talking about this same fucking issue.
It gained zero traction until an eceleb started talking about it, because CA doesn't give a fuck about their game, they give a fuck about keeping the paypiggies oinking happily. Anything that impedes that, such as negative reviews, fucks them.

>>723530854
>Not to mention the absolutely retarded "your ally for 347 turns betray you because you've grown too powerful"
That's only a Shogun 2 problem, no other Total War has that.

>>723530875
I've been playing the game until a month ago constantly as usual and was on twg and nobody ever mentioned it until that patch. Neck yourself immediately, cunt, you clearly don't play the game.
>>723530854
>Not to mention the absolutely retarded "your ally for 347 turns betray you because you've grown too powerful"
Doesn't happen in TWarhams unless you're royally fucking them over constantly and they eventually break alliance but that's on (you).

>>723531026
>Well a black guy never stole anything from me or my friends so they don't do any crimes!
Holy fuck what a dumb shit.