Thread 723518214

What went wrong?

>>723518214 (OP)
nothing, someone can make 5mil $$$ out of it

Too much mental effort to put it on even if the games are great.

>>723518214 (OP)
Zuckerberg bought up all the competition but forgot to actually do something good with it.

>>723518214 (OP)
It stagnated and the controls are shit

>>723519021
controls are great for shooters. VR does FPS games well, but more traditional types of games not so much

Valve fumbled the ball on the basic software
You can't really use the D part of HMDs without shitty overpriced middleware
Faceberg bought all the developers
And retards thought $40 was an acceptable price for a basic Unity project where you pick up a thing and put it where the thing goes.

>>723518214 (OP)
Nothing, it is going really well.

VR only failed if you fell for the meme of VR completely replacing flat gaming

It exists as its own thing, like a Nintendo console

>>723518214 (OP)
Devs refuse to give gamers what they want.

>>723519215
>controls are great for shooters.
They are about the same as those of the Wii, even newer models are terrible even for lightgun type games.

Movement still feels stupid.
If you ask me a Kinect type controller would be better.

Even Forefront which every influencer is glazing right now is just mid af. It doesn't even do one thing well. It just does everything serviceable. Most "good" vr games do one thing really well then shit the bed on everything else. Forefront doesn't even have good gunplay. Weapon mounts whole moving suck. Drivers/pilots just use them to crash into the spawn so you can never use em tactically. Maps are just OK and there will be like max 4 on the full game. Game modes are just ok. Its basically Contractor$ without modded maps which is what made Contractor$ the best fps for a few years. Literally a bootleg big mac without even the secret dance

>>723518214 (OP)
it's been 10 years and VR developers are still stuck making tech demos that look like this

>>723520925
Secret sauce

>>723518214 (OP)
Honestly it's just too big and bulky. No one mainstream is going to enjoy sweating ina hunk of plastic for hours at a time when the PC or console is right there. At least not as their main source of gaming. The day I can put on and take off a VR headset like I do my glasses and still get the same or better quality, then I'll pay attention.

>>723518214 (OP)
nothing, VR is great

>>723518214 (OP)
Most of the games are just tech demos on the level of shallow flash games or they feel like they are Walmart brand knockoffs of better IP.

Fat people and dnalets are what went wrong.
Alyx is ruined by extremely slow movement and boring combat that isn't interactive
Re4 is ruined by not letting you do the melee moves yourself and not adjusting the difficulty for free movement
Then you have the other side of things where there's no content and the AI can't fight worth a shit aka battle talent and blade and sorcery

>>723518214 (OP)
Same thing that goes "wrong" every few decades when they try to bring back 3d movies.
No one wants to wear shit on their head. Not glasses, not headsets. As long as VR needs even glasses, much less a headset, it won't ever really take off.

>>723518214 (OP)
there is nothing to do other than vrchat (which is mostly weirdos) and watching vr porn
and majority of people quickly feel seasick or get headaches - thats why it will never see wide adoption and you cant have games with much movement

>>723518813
Zuck wanting build vr 2nd life and move everything there was the most absurd blunder, like they never had proper consulting and testing to understand that its futile and will never be largely popular? truly baffling

>>723518214 (OP)
>SAAR, I POSTED IT AGAIN!

nothing really. it's just that VR isn't widely adopted yet. not enough people are using it. it's like asking what went wrong with the first personal computer. nothing dude just be patient.

>>723523221
>2 more weeks... 20 years later

vr is just poorly compatible with human perception, we need to feel our movement, not just see it, or it makes you sick
the wight is not even a problem anymore - little asians can dance in full vr for hours, but try a game with real movement - and it makes you nauseous

>>723523496
>and it makes you nauseous
Speak for yourself, pussy.

>>723518214 (OP)
Why would you play games on the porn machine

I swear the VR naesua is just the same 3 posters. Why you would feel the need to announce your genetic defect constantly is beyond me. Is it some kind of humiliation ritual or what?

>>723523496
>it makes you nauseous
weak sperm

>buy quest 3 for $500
>take pancake lenses out
>3d print cheap plastic case
>sell for $1000

>>723523826
I think its people with lazy eye

>>723518214 (OP)
Way I see it, the main problems are the controls and the movement, they tend to be pretty shit for most type of games.

>>723518313
steam takes 30% so its not quite 5mil

too many cool video games exist in the canon already

>>723524462
I've been reading that BSB2's lenses aren't quite as good as Q3's actually

>>723524548
Valve shafted Carmack just as badly as Facebook and Zenimax.
Occulus was not ready yet and Valve proceeded to announce it was nearly done and pushed it too hard, then made their own.
Every brand released their own lenses based on reverse engineering without contributing or improving a damned thing.

The wiimotes are just as terrible as they were back in 2005.
I used a set yesterday and even for serious apps VR sucks, for gaming you sacrifice a lot and there is nothing to it except porn.

>>723518214 (OP)
Everyone fucked up basically on every level except nintendo because they just didn't fuck with it at all. I don't think there's any part of VR product strategy from any player in the industry that went right. They all have blood on their retard hands. And every time something improves or improvement is on the horizon it's 5 years after we needed it.

>>723525080
>Occulus was not ready yet and Valve proceeded to announce it was nearly done and pushed it too hard, then made their own.

What? Wasn't oculus its own company? How was valve making announcements for them? The the same valve that won't tell you shit until valve time?

>>723518214 (OP)
>What went wrong?
tech wasn't there yet

>>723525080
Yeah, I think the whole VR idea needs some more time in development until they can cook something truly good. I mean, it's good for some novel applications, but for most traditional games it still feels a bit odd to play using VR, IMO. I also realize the concept has been cooking for some decades now, but it is what it is.

Besides, it is an extra gimmicky gadget that people need to buy to use, so there's that, too. Not many people are willing to spend some considerable amount of dough to get a product that'll be used decently in just few games, unless they somehow released an amazing game that made full use of the VR set capabilities.

>>723526768
>Not many people are willing to spend some considerable amount of dough to get a product that'll be used decently in just few games
playstation 5?
niggas bought that scalped garbage for 1k
shit also needs a tv
meanwhile the quest 3 is completely self contained and costs half as much

>>723518214 (OP)
dev money dried up just as hardware was getting good

>>723518313
there's lots of opportunity for success in vr, but who would fund development of a project for 2-3 years?

there's no reason why MGSVR shouldn't be playable right now
https://x.com/mcghee_nick/status/1559884845098143744

>>723527416
there's a bunch of mgs knockoffs but yeah it sucks that no one made a mod yet

>>723519493
>Valve fumbled the ball on the basic software
valve fumbled big time developing only one game for the index instead of the 5 they planned

also they are too fucking quiet
they should just show what the fuck they're making to drum up interest
are they scared someone else will make HL3? someone else will make a vr headset? why the fucking secrecy?

>>723527473
it sucks nobody has made an n64 emulator with stereoscopic display

and still no progress on dolphin xr

emulation wankers just want to play pokemon over and over and over...

>>723526768
>for most traditional games it still feels a bit odd to play using VR
I prefer it
I'd love super mario 3d world with vr

>>723526881
Yeah but consoles are more mainstream, so it's easier for a parent to buy one for their kids or something, not to mention there are some Sony loyalists, the poor sods that they are

>>723527639
>n64 emulator
barely runs on modern hardware as is and you really want 90fps+ for vr games

>>723518214 (OP)
The absolute backbone of the timeline of what fucked VR (for now) :
>Facebook buys Oculus
>makes Oculus Quest 2 (biiiiig hit)
>buys up a shitload of VR devs, companies, and engineers
>gets too big for their britches and decides to leverage VR gibs into making a gazillion gorrillion dollars by making "The Metaverse"
>Metaverse (Meta Horizons) flops horrifically
>Facebook pulls out and cancels most projects, scaring off most companies from touching VR at all anymore
>time passes, no new major headsets or games to "sell" VR as a concept, and standalone shit is pretty dead too
>Apple goes full-Apple and makes their own ultra-premium gold-standard VR headset
>people get hyped that a big company is injecting money into the VR space
>the headset doesn't do jack shit and is just hilariously expensive e-waste, a gold-plated pile of nothing that doesn't connect to or with anything and doesn't even play games
>everyone sighs and goes back to watching VR die

TL;DR:
>Facebook funding VR? Good.
>Facebook using VR money on a billion-dollar scheme to make more money? Bad.
>Facebook scheme failing so bad they lose a fuckload of money? Good.
>Facebook losing a fuckload of money and taking VR as a whole down with it? Bad.

>>723518214 (OP)
everyone who isnt coping and has common sense is waiting for full-immersion VR. Until then, fuck that noise.

>>723527838
what are you talking about? n64 emulation was solved decades ago
quest2 can run n64 no problem if someone ported mupen64

>>723527931
>waiting for full-immersion VR
not gonna happen
also why would you even want this?

>>723527931
>full-immersion VR
Now that'll be something else. I reckon that'll be a game changer for the market as a whole

>>723528118
Porn

>>723528308
lmao, just use your imagination, no different to now

>>723518214 (OP)
Too heavy
Too hot
Barely any good games

>>723521578
Yup majority of the 'experiences' are slop like this. Where's the hot anime waifu at? No VRchat please I'm not Diddy

>>723528118
>also why would you even want this?
why WOULDN'T you want this? have you not watched any isekai anime ever?

>>723528505
you want immersive vr?
get out of the house and look around

>>723528552
You can't go out and kill 'monsters' without ending up in prison.

>>723518214 (OP)
There was a time when VR was making a comeback and it's growing organically with an ecosystem of different companies and startups experimenting with the idea. The industry wasn't mature yet but it's growing. Facebook's purchase of Oculus and other VR developers over the years was the moment when the industry, which wasn't fully ready for mass adoption yet, was brute-forced to grow in its own terms. Didn't help that PCVR's growth is as slow as molasses.

>>723527546
A. Valve put out 3/5 games (counting the lab and hand job as one game) for VR not one you retard
B. The problem isn't that there's not an arbitrary amount of "VR gaems" of which there's tons of shitware for any type of gameplay you want, the problem is that general use of VR and not just for dedicated VR applications sucks dick.
Look at the steam deck.
It's basically painless to run everything worth playing on steam and emulating everything and it's great.
This retarded idea that it needs to be "more innovative" is fucking retarded and getting in the way of
>Can you do fun shit with this? Is it not annoying to use this for things that aren't VR?
Currently the answer is a big fat NO but hopefully that'll change with the Steam Frame stuff.

>>723528652
you can fights monsters in videogames now
why do you need it to be immersive?
are you going to headlock a bokoblin? no

>>723528715
3? what were the other 2?
the lab doesn't count
it's a tech demo

>>723518214 (OP)
Not actual VR. It’s just a headtracker with Wii waggle. My PSVR is worth exactly the 100€ I put into it but not a cent more.

>>723528878
have you ever played a game with hand tracking?

>>723521578
This is because the focus is on standalone headsets that run the games on internal phone hardware. Movement is still the main issue.

>>723528831
I was being generous and dropping it to 4 for you.
>That doesn't count
Then I guess it wouldn't even matter if I named Steam Home despite being a fully functional toolbox for making Source 2 VR games currently crippled because you have to be a windows user to use the sdk.

>>723518214 (OP)
call me when you have more than 20 real games and not tech demos where entertainment solely relies on watching physics objects fall

>>723529018
>to
from
Fuck this faggot website I know what I typed.

>>723518214 (OP)
The headsets kept messing with my already receding hairline

>>723528505
the isekai anime VR experiment failed because the experience isn't similar enough

you need a fucking treadmill and some custom controller shit to even approach immersion. otherwise it's just a dumb monitor on your head. you'll be taken out of the "experience" every time you need to provide input

hahaha imagine spending over $100 billion dollars on this, he could've bought twitter 50 times over what an idiot

>>723530607
vr still has huge potential, but zuck thought that he needed to own the whole ecosystem for facebook to have a future, he's right that vr can be a big part of communications and social media in the future, or... we'll just all talk through 3d cameras and glasses free 3d displays...

he even was considering buying unity at one stage

>>723518214 (OP)
Too expensive (for the good ones like the Index, the others are either worse or horribly underpowered), too few games worth their money.
Also:
>>723519493
>>723520624
>>723521578
>>723527883

>>723528945
You mean waggle Kinect edition?

>>723524001
lol nice

>>723518214 (OP)
Who knew having a screen half an inch away from your eyeballs, and stuck directly to your head so you can't just look away for something wasn't going to be popular.

>>723519215
>are great for shooters

>odd shape, wands were even worse with no clearance at the top. it is like no one ever though about using it as a gun
>can't use gunstocks comfortably either because it is too long
>1/3 is dead space, right in the middle
>separates the only 2 important parts
>only 2 buttons, so you have to get creative with the binds
>thumbstick has an extremely large deadzone, could be slightly longer too. has a convex surface which is not ideal for movement
>the trigger is short like a stock PS controller, and has an odd shape
>the stock handle is made for baby hands
>no physical grip button which requires lots of fiddling and adjusting to make it work reliably

there's definitely potential but the controllers FUCKING SUCK. the meta ones get the thumbstick part right for the most part, but aren't much better either

if i were making a VR controller for shooters i can't think of a single thing i wouldn't redesign completely from the garbage that's available on the market

>>723520624
>They are about the same as those of the Wii
the Wii controller has a completely useless 45 degree FOV you fucking clown

>>723529981
cope balding bitch
vr isn't causing it

>>723533083
>there's definitely potential but the controllers FUCKING SUCK. the meta ones get the thumbstick part right for the most part, but aren't much better either

i like meta controlers
just not enough buttons, but the are fun to use

>>723518214 (OP)
>Came out after all videogame companies were completely swamped by ruthless publishers and hollowed out by office politics
>Came out during the smartphone boom, so walled gardens everywhere even more than normal, a bunch of companies made their own walled gardens like Microsoft and Playstation only to abandon them entirely
>Most well known company in the market is Facebook
The current greatest hindrance is that no company is publishing open standards for creating new controllers for their headsets, so every headset just has ewaste, Oculus Rift clone pack-in controllers with no variation and only SteamVR is getting some niche new controllers that are just VRChat slop to appeal to whales.
The former greatest hindrance was that there was barely any Linux support, which has been "solved" by standalone slop.
>>723530607
It's shit because his company is shit. Everything they make is operating at single digit efficiency when it comes to getting value out of the money they put in.
Anything they acquire would turn to shit.

VR is great IF and only if you have a 4090 to play UE4 games in VR, and IF you have a 5090 then you'd be able to play UE5 games in VR to a good extent.
You retards shitting on VR just dont know the full potential. I personally am VERY interested to see how the 6090 (or heck even the 7090) would handle UE5 games properly in great framerates.
Then theres NO going back to flatscreen bs gaming

>>723518214 (OP)
VR headsets only simulate the visual aspect of virtual reality while also inhibiting the interacticity with the world in terms of movement. Like how in Alyx most people uses the teleport function to move around because moving a character with a controller while youre head is separate from that movement is nauseating and weird. Virtual Reality in Games HAS to start with movement through the game world and that is far more complicated to produce than just a headset. The visual aspect is incredibly overrated. Look at racing games, where VR doesnt face the same issues as Alyx does as sitting still in a car perfectly alligns with the vr perspective: simracers still dont give a shit about it. What do they give a shit about? Steering wheels with force feedback, pedals, racing seats. Because thats what matters when playing. The whole VR headset trend is based on a complete misjudgement of how people connect with virtual reality.

>>723518214 (OP)
Nobody ever figured out how to make good VR games. Just about the only good VR game is Superhot.

>>723533083
>he hasn't seen the Deckard controllers

>>723518214 (OP)
can AYYYMD run the quest 3s/3 yet or is it still shit? last time i tired on a quest 3 with a 9070xt the performance was horrible and oculus doesnt even support the 9000 series amd

I get to titty fuck my furry girlfriend in VR and then go watch a movie or play a horror game all in the same night, it's great

anyone got some recommended VR games? already got half-life alyx, boneworks, blade & sorcery and skyrim vr

>>723536339
fallout 4

>>723536339
VRchat unironically is the best VR sandbox with nothing rivaling it. Very comfy just exploring worlds made by people over the years

I just wanna try out vr porn, but there is no way I will spend 1000 dollars for that.

>>723535586
it is just a Quest copycat with the same flaws. it is a lot better than an Index controller but there's nothing remarkable about it.

>>723528758
I want to HEMA to the death.
I want to BJJ with no taps.

>>723518474
https://files.catbox.moe/6368kt.mp4

>>723536339
Ancient Dungeon VR
don't judge it by its artstyle, it'll grow on you quickly

It's still to inconvenient. Headsets, despite recent efforts to compact things are too bulky. Still too expensive for what you get in entertainment.

Honestly, until they invent literal contact lenses that can perfectly blend normal vision, Augmented Reality and full VR, and are somehow powered/controlled by the body itself, and don't cost very much it won't ever take off. VR as it is is just too inconvenient for normal life.

>>723533083
Modern VR controllers are fundamentally the same as Wiimotes. Remember you pay triple that of a Wii console+controllers for a decent VR headset, yeah no shit the IR wagglesticks are better.

>>723543239
>Modern VR controllers are fundamentally the same as Wiimotes.
nah the implemented is completely different. the Wii can only track on a 2D plane, and the Kinect only works properly if you're facing the camera with your hands exposed. neither are "better", or even minimally good.

>you pay triple that of a Wii console
i paid triple for the Valve's lighthouse system. it also has blindspots (unless you have 4 units, then it is nearly flawless), but is incomparably better to every other IR/camera based tracking solution

>>723528758
>why do you need it to be immersive?
why did they take harry potter and turn it into games and movies when it already exists in book format and the author is a transphobe chud?

>>723544462
It’s still VR emitters with receiver controllers but with a bigger budget. Hand tracking is how VR should’ve been in the first place but as with everything else related to VR the tech just isn’t there and it’s buggy as fuck. Until proper tracking and movement VR is just a screen on your head with Wii++ controls.

>>723544767
>he hasn't tried VR

>>723544895
I own a set retard. I am well aware how lighthouse tracking works, it’s the same emitter-receiver shite as 20 years ago.

>>723518214 (OP)
VR is currently tightly coupled to waggle controls, which is just too much of a jump. I think there's a decent opportunity for K+M or Controller VR experiences but only the PSVR is doing anything with that. The UI-accurate eye tracking from the Apple Vision Pro is also an interesting idea, but beyond foveated rendering and some snazzy menuing it wouldn't have much gaming applicability.

>>723524593
70% = $3.5m
usd to gbp = £2.6m
still millions just farming the steam users as your market

>>723518214 (OP)
>what went wrong?
didn't focus exclusively on the niche that it actually excels in which is horror games and cockpit simulator games

>>723544767
how are you supposed to interact with a 3D world without buttons? that's ridiculous. and you can't create the illusion of holding onto things without a physical object.

i do think VR could benefit from camera-based tracking, VR gaming would be a lot more immersive if every game had an accurate representation of your body. but that shouldn't be the main thing interfacing you with the world.

>>723536339
Madison VR if you like spooky
Hitman 3 got a huge VR update and is pretty spectacular now, it's still very janky but it's good and with an insane amount of content

>>723536339
Beat Saber and Walkabout Minigolf VR are my main squeeze. I enjoyed I Expect You To Die a lot as well.

How difficult is it for an indie dev to make a VR game? Is it a much more daunting task than making a normal PC game?

>>723518214 (OP)
No games. Only like 3 have any replay value, most were "experience" sloppas or AAA sloppas that just copied each other. Very few actually used the VR controls to any advantage.

>>723545097
It's funny I see this argument repeatedly, for me its the exact opposite, the games where I move were the most fun ones.

Tea for God - loved that I could actually walk around with my feet instead of sticks
Compound (or pavlov too kind of) - the reloading and weapon handling was the main source of fun
The Thrill of the Fight - full body movement again

>>723545801
Depends on the game, speaking from UE side (but im sure other engines are similar), if you want to do something generic and are fine with the wonky way the standard plugins handle hand interaction its slightly worse than normal 3d games mostly due to player character model.
If you want a game that relies on hand object interaction and want focus on that you're going to spend a ton of time writing logic for that shit.

>>723545801
not that much different from hooking up mkb/console controllers i think
every engine has its own VR blueprint that just werks out of the box, then you just go on to adjust the code so it does what you want.

>>723545826
>the games where I move were the most fun ones.

My experiences could be colored by having an Index. I despise the finger tracked grabbing on those controllers and just wish I had a grab button and only one (index) finger tracked instead. Dropping something unexpectedly, grabbing things I didn't intend to grab, the weird muscle memory that comes with trying to grab or drop something while also moving or pressing a button, it all comes together to make things unpleasant. Moving around in VR is fun, but I think a problem with the adoption is that there aren't many VR games where you can kick back and play the game, they're 'active' experiences. I don't relax and pop on a VR game, playing a VR game is an Activity. A fun one, but still.

I'll check out Tea For God, I like the vibe.

>>723545826
>the games where I move were the most fun ones
You should check out Shattered Lights
It's a short free horror game that requires you to have a pretty big playspace area and uses physical movement in a pretty genius way

>>723546378
Could be, I have Rift S and Quest 2 which both had buttons.
>there aren't many VR games where you can kick back and play the game
I never even considered this angle but you're right in a way. But I dont think putting the headset on would ever be relaxing or doable for over 45 minutes. Maybe laying on your back but I cant imagine doing kb+m that way, and even then I think eyes would suffer.

>>723546598
>Shattered Lights requires a play area of at least 2m x 2m (6 feet and 7 inches). There’s an option to play within a smaller space of 1.5m x 1.5m, but this is not recommended as it makes for a less stable experience, which some may experience as unpleasant.
I have 1.5x1.5 lol.

But that reminded me of Blaston, pretty fun game too but I dont think there's anyone left playing it and bots are no fun.

>>723518214 (OP)
It's fine. It just CAN'T reach everyone. Some people get motion sickness really easily, some don't have the space to roam while wearing it, some can't risk having their primary senses blocked (safety issue).

So, the market is limited right away before other factors even start showing up. AR is a more realistic goal that they should be working on perfecting.

>Co-worker asks if they should get a VR headset
>Tell them there's nothing worth playing
>They decide to get (Another) tattoo instead
I said the right thing and still got disastrous results.

>>723545387
I can interact with the world around me just fine without using any buttons. That’s reality for you. When is the virtual part catching up?

People just need to accept, and embrace, that VR is a 100% porn tech. It is the one thing it does really well that other platforms can't.

Hardware requirements, VR needs optimised vidya but everything is jeeted so nothing runs 4k 120hz even on a 5090

>>723547106
No you can't, you're using buttons all the time you lying faggot

>>723547165
Nah porn in VR is a sidegrade. Not better than flat one, just adds variety to your rotation.
VR exercise though, that's a straight up upgrade to real life. Why play ping pong IRL when VR version is basically 1 to 1 and doesn't need a table or an opponent? Tried my whole life to get a morning exercise routine and failed year after year until I got VR, now I have my daily cardio outlet and it just werks

>>723546992
AR is a meme, nobody actually wants to play games in their real house every day. Gets boring after a day, it's just 1 small level.
AR as a smartphone replacement is straight up retarded because wearing glasses is not less intrusive than having a little plastic rectangle in your pocket

>>723518313
OVR was free until he started to charge for it last year and a lot of people used it back then, no wonder he has 1 million users

>>723531234
He is a visionary, I can imagine people having meetings in the future using VR instead of getting shot at IRL like trump and kirk or getting a cough of covid
Technology is not there yet, it's probably laggy, look like shit and too expensive still today

>>723518214 (OP)
VR is cool, and I think the state of the industry is just fine (at least, hardware-wise). The main things are, people don't want to spend the price of a computer on a device that you will probably play like 10 games on, max, a significant portion of people get severe eye irritation or even motion sickness from VR, its an inherently more active and even intimate experience, which not everyone wants, etc. etc. etc.

It works just fine as is, it's just that the device is an inherently niche thing.

>>723518214 (OP)
nothing it's still in development. It will replace everything eventually. Nobody is going to buy a computer monitor or TV once these AR/VR goggles are advanced enough.

>>723548275
I would be interested in learning more because I have yet to find a cardio routine that isn't absolutely boring. I'm not even ADHD, I've just never been a TV person and that's basically your only obvious option of something to do while running in place like a hamster.

>>723536339
Gorilla Tag (play in an empty room so you don't injure yourself and destroy shit... ask me how I know) and Beat Saber (be sure to mod Beat Saber when you get it, tons of awesome community made levels)

>>723547106
oh really? you shoot guns without pressing the trigger? you wanna cross the world of Skyrim on foot? are you a marathonist?

>>723522376
>$1000+tip+pc
>to play with alphabet blocks like a preschooler
uh ok dude

>>723548736
I'm doing Synth Riders daily now, been at at it for half a year. Gets me to sweat in less than half an hour. Doesn't get old because you have a ton of custom songs, thousands of them.
Used to do Beat Saber but that one did get old, your movements are less varied in that game.

>>723523826
>same 3 posters
>whole industry never took off because of it
>cant have real games because of it
you are a low iq solipsist

Needs to be glasses. Needs to be able to look through them. Used for welding, AR and night vision. Needs to look good.
And needs games, and compatibility with existing ones. Eg turn head to turn in game, keep turning until you lessen the turn by turning your head opposite.

>>723534519
Even with a 5090 VR with UE5 is shit.

Nothing
>played forefront (basically battlefield VR) with /vg/ friends
>then had an awesome night in VRC
I love VR

>>723523826
The stat is 50% of VR users have motion sickness. Also your brain recognizing the discrepancy is not a defect, that's what it's supposed to do.

>>723549429
Bullshit. The cope requirements for VR just keep sliding further and further into fantasy. Meanwhile in reality adoption doesn't change even as it gets smaller and cheaper. Everyone who wants VR is already using it. Everyone else will keep coming up with excuses no matter how good it gets

>>723550007
Yeah but you're a gay furry

>>723550129
I'm not a gay furry and I only have rare homosexual moments in VRC.

I haven't tried it but "google cardboard" could be good and revived.
More for AR. Bypassing education. Straight to doing, ghost image assumed by hands. Do as them, retry when hands shown red, do it right. Get it "muscle memory". Get relevant information to tasks attempted imbuing competence.
Device as a pick me up when people are down, doing the selection for them. Get them doing what they want to be good at. And some that they have to to survive.
TLDR FUCKING KIKES!
Set them aside, their shit barred. All the enemies trying for powerplay instead of contribution. Fucked up tastes. Fucked off.
Give girls at least backup so whatever fit faggot diminishing them to feel good doesn't get much place. Just a secondary fuck, a bit of strength. A distraction. Or an addicting provide - ance.
Some engagement of what they are, what they have been at best. Not some fucking brown parasite. White either. No shit, no traitors easily swayed by opportunity. Hard idealists, like some here. Nice. Life is not about them taking it. As in they don't eat meat they don't build slavery. The world is not shit. At their hand at least. If shit then good shit, instead of take take take until it's gone. Paid for with plague. populating the planet and worse, beyond, with rapists with bad taste, only fucking good taste because it's their way up.
TLDR if it's money it's shit. That includes crypto you traitorous peice of cheat.
Earning migh have been fine once before printing. When work meant country better instead of backing for printing and student filth importing plague throwing away money like it comes from nothing.
Fuck off the distractions. Fuck off the childish theme. Linux 3D, look, move head, talk think. Make what is needed so age doesn't eliminate individuals. Or make life a betrayal, a train into a dead end. Stop that. Add tracks and destinations. Add vitality ambiance that gives it. Identify bad systems. Unfuck them. Right conditions so ignorance isn't the entire cure to problems.

>>723550087
Fantasy is good plans for reality, And it is history condensed in a way you can understand.
It is real. It is often ideal.
People trying to make reality is humanity.

You are not human in condemning immagination.

>>723518214 (OP)
The stuff that's good for it is mindblowing, but unfortunately not nearly enough of it. It's been almost a year since the last noteworthy game was released for it (Alien Rogue Incursion).

I maintain that Gran Turismo 7 (especially if you have a racing setup), Resident Evil Village/4 remake, and Switchback alone make the PSVR2 worth it though.

I don't know why they aren't porting all kinds of light gun and racing games to this thing. Burnout, Crazy Taxi, House of the Dead, Time Crisis, Resident Evil Umbrella/Darkside Chronicles would sell like mad on these things, and development costs would be miniscule.

VR for Adalind Grey

Enemy free world. No students, trannies, nigger, jews etc

Cheap phones can be glasses. No chance of blindness. Someone attacks too they have a force to fuck them up arrive quick. AI assessing nigger presence, erasing them from vision. But giving obstacles in another form, such as a fast moving car. To avoid.

Phones and John Carmack's failure and treason look stupid. They are stupid. They protrude, they look unconfortable, they are secured with a strap.
Shit.
Fuck off the fucked design. Get the chinks manufacturing circular lenses once a base modular OS is set for some Nazi sunglasses to use it.

Stop plague being in charge. Aim at the impression wrong is absent. Done to get it done. In that getting good. Looking good. Professional. Serious.

The only people going on about "what went wrong with VRV" are those who don't even own a headset. Or that owned one of the prototypes a long time ago, but haven't owned one of the more recent ones like the MQ3.

VR is fine. It has lots of games. It never tried to replace flat gaming. I flat game most of the time, but once a week I play some golf, boxing, and so on. It's excellent the way it is.

>>723550087
A lot of VR is dependent on word-of-mouth and people being able to get their hands on it, because there is that perception of "it's just a screen strapped to your face".

I brought my PSVR2 and my steering wheel setup to my sister's house last Christmas for people to mess around with, and both my nephews got VR headsets this year. Same thing when I brought it to my friend's house, and his daughter played one of the roller coaster games that I have on there. She's now saving money for a Quest 3.

You should treat EVERYTHING as real even what is in your head. Careful not to have bad thoughts. Careful not to make bad form.
If it exists it should be good. Should have a future. Should be the best you can make it. Needing more than one good moment too. Enough themselves they can entertain themselves by being themselves. And what suits that/them keeping them company in engagement. In giving their best. Flukes that should be saved but only are entirely by being continued. Or rewarded well so are remembered.

Careful what you see. Don't make the reality you know bad. And not the good you know damned to a future you have let in where it doesn't win and have today every fucking tomorrow.

>>723550931
Same I also often bring my VR set elsewhere, it's funny how many games have a guest mode for normies to play, and more often than not the experience convinces them to get into VR

VR game

Pirate ship tying bowline's fast. Modern. And not.
And not: Gloves give hands presence cutlass against rapist, stop at contacting their weapon to make the action powerful. And conserve stamina. Which doubles as health.
If you swing past where contact is they take it and deplete your stamina, or disarm you. Left with fists, not the end, but harder. A better victory fast their stamina depleted and a hand to them to help them up.

Your immediate surrounds, your room, house, wherever you are: Scanned. Camera giving information, the layout, the geometry, the boundaries, to make islands, ships, adventure. You able to move, get turned around by combat etc, lose your bearings or be "transported", like kicked to water, have to swim.

Feel familiarity of your place as your ship. Different adorns in different games, but moved around enough you could be blind and still get the essentials easy. Sound then, for blind people, sounds hitting structure, clear indication there is something there. Wind moving accross it, some sound that bounces off or ends there. Crew fighting thrown into walls when you are like to hit them, prominant presence of a wall etc obstacle. It highlighted.

Move around. Sit on a bed. A girl could take that as it carried. It a boat, a raft, a hutt on the beach. Somewhere asking her to turn around so the house is explored diffent. A treasure map moved to directed by sights and tasks. Do some good on the way, do some good: in the way door opened by something right after you met it.

Feel some threat you can handle. Get fitness in exploration, exertion a difficulty level, more than what you can do on average a better place, more beautiful, but dangerous. Not just predators, challenge, but in having something powerful remembered. need to have desire enough before that you value what you get instead of become it's slave. Or it's enemy.

>>723551917
>>723551321
>>723551002
>>723550780
>>723550258
r u ok

>>723518214 (OP)
>Wife said she should bang me with the headset on
>Mid-sex the POV changes
ANNOYING

>>723553315
No. So much like you it seems most. There is much to be done and you don't give contribution. You don't turn a solution to done, you have it ended with questions.
To you. It's just you one less part of perfection. Sold out, enemy in charge to you, preyed to by you, like similar questions will keep you allive instead of question you with answers saying acceptance of problems is part of maturity and power,.

>>723554046
>>723551917
>>723551321
>>723551002
>>723550780
me when my GF broke up w me

>>723554208
No.
>>723553315
That is you.

Spam.

>>723536207
Based hmofachad.

>>723518214 (OP)
Little Nigtmare 3 with UEVR mod is how you are supposed to play it, the proble is with retarded publishers and devs, as a flat game LN3 is complete garbage

>>723522376
>OAOIE
what?

>>723518214 (OP)
>What went wrong?
people don't want to dance around the room like a spastic to play games

>>723557013
They should. Spastics make impairment seem minor.
I like to dance. It's good fitness. It's good respect to music and all that made it. It is it in play. Being a man is keeping that in play. Keeping up a standard as hard and as long as you can. Doing your turn to save the world. Needing done regularly. Typically once a day. There is a good movie about that. God's of Egypt I think. Where someone is expected to fight every night against the end of the world.

>>723557013
>t. third-worlder who couldn't get a VR headset if he wanted one, and it's trying to justify sour grapes by pretending like it's still 2016

>>723518214 (OP)
>Pick up VR headset to play after long delay
>Turn it on
>Battery is dead
>Charge it
>30 minutes later
>turn it on
>There's a new firmware update
>Update these
>10 minutes later
>Turn it on
>Boot up a game I usually play
>There's an update
>10 minutes later
>Finally launch the game
>It's disappointing and my head hurts from the straps
That's what happened.

>>723559167
this just reads like
>im a retard so vr is bad

>>723559252
OP asked what happened and why it didn't catch and you think normies being retarded isn't a barrier?
But how does constant updates get avoided if I never use the things? I just wanted to play fucking VR chat but I can't do any of that until an hour of updates.

>>723559464
there's a setting to turn off automated updates
but youre a retard so it might aswell not exist

>>723559523
Can't play online without latest firmware sweetie.

>>723518214 (OP)
I use mine purely for porn